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- Опубликовано: 7 июл 2024
- The Most DISRESPECTFUL WNBA ROTY Take I've Ever Seen... In this video we are going to be talking about Caitlin Clark, the number 1 pick in the WNBA draft and how she is ready to take over the WNBA.
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The Most DISRESPECTFUL WNBA ROTY Take I've Ever Seen... In this video we are going to be talking about Caitlin Clark, the number 1 pick in the WNBA draft and how she is ready to take over the WNBA. In this video we are going to be talking about the WNBA. THe league is growing with Caitlin Clark, Angel Reese, Cameron Brink, Diana Taurasi, Breanna Steward and A'Ja Wilson who have all been incredible
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That Guardian article was really bad and Caitlin was NEVER a shooting guard here at Iowa. We had other people to fill that role. She was ALWAYS a one.
Anyone who says she is getting worse isn't watching the games and also knows nothing about basketball. The good news is the ignorant people aren't going to have a voice in all of this and ESPN is now in the betting world and they need do things to bring the betting odds back into round so they don't loose their arses.
well she IS getting worse. they're BOTH getting worse. we're ALL getting worse. older and weaker every day. declining into senescence. the heat death of the universe. inevitable, tragically inevitable.
if this is CC being bad then the league better hope she NEVER get's better!!!!!! there wont be a record she would'nt have.
@@thomasgirty6397 if she gets better she would be on the same level as the top players... she would have turn into beast, to destroy the league like all the hype was saying.
@@dwayneyambra1865doyou stomp your feet after every comment? You seem upset. 😅😅😅
Angle Reese is only shooting 42% despite being under the basket with all her shots.
Yes and that low percentage misses or bluntly said sloppy missed under the basket shots and layups will not get fans excited to see her miss 3 to 5 inside the paint shots, only to rebound them and aggressively make it no matter how awkward the final successful attempt looks. Shaq was terrible at easy inside the paint shots. But he dominated without working on getting better by slamming it down over his opponents. It's safe to say that Reese will never slam over anyone or do anything other than self benefiting triple doubles to get that kind of excitement of her play.. Its just sloppy and boring after you watch Forwards or centers in the NBA deal with weak inside paint shots with DUNKS.
Clark led the NCAA in assists the last 3 years, finished 2nd as a freshman. Her passing is only new to people who didn’t actually watch her play in college. And she did all that while being the leading scorer!
yes! when she turns the ball over its her coaches and teammates fault! Only thing people remember in a sport like Basketball are rings. She didnt get one in College, might mess around and not get one in the WNBA.
Passing is a strength for her? She's the turnover queen. Also, she's not shooting well, in the WNBA. Boston, Mitchell, Smith and Samuelson carry this team.
What would really help Caitlin in this ROTY debate, is if she could /would cover good players like Plum, Sabrina, Loyd, etc.
Without having a defensive game, I have a hard time saying the race is obvious for CC.
@@MB-go6uy Why so much hate. She is the only reason we are talking about the WNBA and finding out about other players in the league that needed this attention no matter how good they are. And Rings or gold medal do not mean anything if not very many people are watching. Now I just heard the olympic team has gold medals and most people I know were just as shocked. You can point out CC flaws but she is the best thing to happen for the league, sport and the players that will benefit from this golden goose of an amazing player. LEt them play and let all the players see bigger pay raises and endorsements from Clarks impact coming in as a rookie. Its good for all of them. And its not due to her turnovers at all. Just listen to all the NBA legends praise her passing, driving, court IQ, ball handling, rebounds, assists and of course Curry claiming she shoots like him. Good luck to them all.
And Angel Reese'[s numbers are still better!
Caitlin Clark has 18 less defensive rebounds than Angel Reese… as a guard! 🤣😂
also leading the league in turnovers, as a guard.
And 122 turnovers and growing ......as a guard🤣🤣
@@MB-go6uyyes, as a guard.... that's normal
@@user-bs3gd5tl1jthe video literally calls you dumb for your take
@@bartell20j 122 turnovers IS NOT NORMAL!!!
The funniest part is the NBA, who is already well established, is doing everything they can to make Bronny James look good even after a 4 pt 22% performance. The WNBA, who needs all the pub, is doing everything to make a legitimate all star level player and biggest superstar look bad 😂
What is the WNBA doing to make her look bad? Like I genuinely want to know. Because I think y’all just like to complain. She’s without a doubt the most marketed player by the WNBA.
@@yngtrey1638 if you’re asking that question then ur part of the problem lol it’s obvious since before she even got on the league. Ur being intellectually dishonest with that question especially if you follow this channel. He has gone into detail every step of the way
@@astrocade9541 the WNBA themselves? I know other companies and analysts and etc, have downplayed her, called her not great etc but the WNBA itself promotes the he** out of her, has never said or done anything bad towards her. I genuinely want to know, maybe I’m uninformed. What have the WNBA themselves done to make Clark look bad? Give me some examples
Just seen a post with a docuseries I believe on the latest rookies this year, take a guess who's not listed 😅 and the comments on it are pretty funny.
@@yngtrey1638If you don't know you are really dumb without telling you the truth about yourself and also without using profanity here
This is getting to a racist level
It's always been on a racist level. They just don't want to acknowledge it
It already is racist. The WNBA is Much more racist than the NBA.
it's always been about race thats why all the trolls
It's been at racist level...easy
Absolutely getting totally racist issues
Teams literally run their best defenders at Caitlin picking her up at half court.. Angel Reese does not face this type of heat game in and game out.. Angel Reese is also bigger than almost all the other girls on the court, and Angel Reese pads her rebound numbers by rebounding her own misses.
The lies. She’s an undersized post player and that fake she rebounds her own misses is debunked. It’s a false narrative. Just stop it. Talk about CC and leave AR out of it. All yall do is lie.
@gwaters82 "Talk about CC and leave AR out of it.. " - tell you what, I'll do that when the AR fan boys do the same, talk about AR and leave CC out if it. There plenty of video where AR rebounding her own misses. She not that undersized, an inch shorter than the average wnba center, but an inch taller than the average forward.
A rebound is a rebound!! it's counted, even to get you own rebound is a feat but most of her rebound are defensive rebounds, BUT IT THE TEAMMATES FAULT WHEN CLARK GETS A TURNOVER!! make it make sense!!
@@gwaters82 she literally leads offensive rebounds by a landslide.... because she has poor shooting techniques and gets the ball blocked back down into her its not a "false narrative" just look at her boards she has like 10 - 15% of her boards offensive rebounds of her own and it should be 5% or less.... literally if she was better at scoring she wouldnt even have gotten the streak cause she had multiple games of barely getting 10 rebounds that she got 2 - 3 of her own misses.
They wanna give it to Reese cos they hate Clark.
And we know why. It her misfortune being born with skin that wasn't dark enough.
To me, the irony is that NBA stars are giving her props, while the WNBA established stars are dissing her.
CC is having a great rookie year. She absolutely phenomenal. But to be fair, she has to get stronger and improve defensively.
well, it would help her game, and give her a leg up to MVP. but I"m not sure that's her goal. like at Iowa, seems like she wants to build her team, through assists and shooting. if she had a decent coach, who actually believed in supporting CC and cared about defense, the Fever would be in much better shape.
Whoever wrote this article clearly knows nothing at all. I bet they were paid to write this. Nobody in their right mind would even try to write this nonsense
Disagree, the alleged journalist and paper have an agenda to keep the W as is, which is much worse than just being ignorant.
She faces full court pressure the entire game. Many of her passes don't end up as assists, but they lead to her teammates shooting free throws.
How many wins would Chicago have without Angel Reese and how many wins would Indiana have without Caitlin Clerk.
I think with Erica Wheeler at the point, the Fever would be 22 wins and no losses. Watching her dribble in circles would have made other teams dizzy and thus unable to perform.
@@darrenbatten4658 impossible to know. Both teams would be much worse without either of them. To say which would be worse is tough. Considering the Sky had so many injuries to their bigs this year I’d say the sky would hurt worse losing Reese than the fever would losing Clark. Just because the fever would have Mitchell to carry the load and Sky would have basically nobody most of the year with Cardosa and Williams being out most of the year.
@@francesw.6774Wheeler is horrible every time she's on the floor the other teams go on a run.
@@yngtrey1638Mitchell averages less than 2 assists a game. She doesn't pass. They would be much worse off with her at the point.
@@francesw.6774 22/0? are you kidding?? MVP. NBA MVP. Nobel Peace Prize.
Honestly,..If I was Caitlin, I would cut out of the WNBA and play in Europe. She would get much more positive notoriety and she would leave these constant HATERS to fend for themselves and go back to taking flights like everyone else. The WNBA needs her WAAAYYYY more than she needs them. Lmao, with a degree from IOWA she could make more working in her chosen field than she can in the WNBA.
I doubt if her field would give her a Nike deal, if the cult would take a seat she would be ok!!
I looked at the attendance numbers today, the top 18 most attended games this year were the Fever. Every game above 15k attendance is a Fever game. The only time they've had attendance below 14k was when they were in venues that wouldn't hold more. They've sold out most of their games. None of that has anything to do with rookie of the year, but she is literally the only reason games are selling out and getting moved to larger venues. Angel Reese can't even fill her home stadium.
First of all, the Aces vs Mercury drew 17406 fans to the TMobile Arena, September 10 2023, when Caitlin was in college, So she isn't the ONLY reason games are selling out and moving to larger venues.
Secondly, you don't see the problem with Caitlin fans ONLY watching Fever games? Great news for the Fever not so great for the teams that lose millions and only have 2 home games out of 40 against the Fever,
@@TheMeefive If only the W was less toxic and more welcoming...
meaningless.. title are not given for attendance...its not some participation trophy, the players earn it not the fans
YET.......she's got the cult sweating bullets!!!!
Her assist to turnover ratio continues to improve every game. Haters keep bringing up because it is literally the only thing they can bring up. Its amazing the Fever is now 9-13 when you consider they started losing their first 7 games.
@@mattw4461 if she can get 11+ assists per game then averaging 5-6 turnovers per game is not that big of a deal. The problem is the games where she gets 7 assists with 6 turnovers. She’s definitely been improving, lot of less impossible passes she makings.
It's not the ONLY thing they can bring up lol
Reese is the highest rated rookie in player efficiency #20 (219.8) Clark is #47 (15.7). Reese is the highest rated rookie in win shares #15 (2.4) Clark is NUMBER 75YIKES ( 0.4) Reese is number 17 among players who DON'T turn the ball over. Clark is the turnoverest player in history #1 (122 second place has 79) Offensive rating, Reese #37 (108) Oh there's Caitlyn #96 (96) Defensive rating Reese #38 (99) Wait, there's Caitlyn #113 (109)
Caitlin fans are delusional.
AST/TO last 5 games is 2.43. Yep her teammates are actually starting to look for the ball and catch it. Outside of Mitchell no one is shooting with any kind of consistency. If Clark starts putting the ball in the cup and her teammates start converting from passes things will fall into place.
@@TheMeefivebs stats that mean zero.
@@colleenposadas8415 And that's why Caitlin fans are delusional. Any stats that cast a shadow over her mean zero. Stats that make her look good mean EVERYTHING. Hate to break it to you but in the real world they keep ALL the stats.
They will never allow Caitlin to win ROTY.
You shouldn't allow anybody to do anything they should earn it
@@hottrakzshe has Fever single game assist record with like 16, she has Fever single season assist record and is the first rookie to record a triple dub
@@hottrakz but reese getting her ownrebounds from chucked shots like that came from a toddler is more impressive than clark huh 🤣
@@talldreamyopposumShe’s only averaging 1 offensive rebound off her own misses. That narrative only proves she’s ROTY. Why else would her haters constantly lie about her numbers?
@@hottrakz um you read the post incorrectly, try again
Why does anyone even care what anyone in the media thinks? Screw 'em.
The media is all that counts for ROY
@@varj7 Again, screw 'em.
well here we all are, adding to the media frenzy. welcome to the internet! you are the story!
@@outsidethegarden What's your point?
@@the_freedom_runner same as yours. why does anyone even care what the media says? we're just being stirred up to feed readership/viewership. we are the story.
sorry my cynical take apparently didn't synch neatly with your cynical take. better luck next time!
It’s just getting really weird and obvious the media is trying to stir drama
They did this in the NBA with Jokic winning the mvp but I have to be honest , this is 10 times worse and it was to be expected honestly
@@b-rad3681 especially because there are so many new fans. many of us -- especially us delusional unhinged CC stans -- with no understanding of basketball, not to mention the arcane intricacies of why rebounds are important but assists aren't. lol.
From USA today:
2024 WNBA Rookie of the Year odds
Caitlin Clark, Indiana Fever (-700)
Angel Reese, Chicago Sky (+400)
Thats all i need to know. everything else is just trying to create hype and views and clicks.
US media having racial bias? You don't say...
@@Jricks1992 Yeah Reese is doing better than we thought. Actually didn't have any thought on who Reese was lol. Still, the odds say CC has about a 28x chance to be ROTY over Reese.
this is absolutely hilarious: watching Mick do what we viewers have all been doing, both pro-CC and con: losing our shift, tearing out our hair, and appealing to the heavens to hear our anguished pleas. "are you dumb!? are you dumb!?"
what fun!
also, the article only mentions assists once, and mentions turnovers 4 times. "stacking the deck," as card-sharks say.
Mick is doing a good show that I think will age well.
If it was about Basketball, there would be no Controversy and CC would still be lifting the league.
and AR would deserve praise for her hard work and talent. and maybe would get a ROTY. someone else can win, without me necessarily losing.
Caitlyn's is blitzed 90% of the time. Picked up 94 feet every play. That has bearing on her shooting percentage. Teams would not dare give her space to shoot. And she is a rookie. We are talking rebounds, assists, steals, and points while getting knocked around like a ping pong ball.
She supports her team mates and the league... It's never about her.
Reese is having a good year by gathering 13 straight rebounds (double doubles) out of the first 23 games. That is great. However she does not have the pressure, defensive blitzes or attention, and the responsibility for the flow and execution of her team.
Reese is a dog but Clark is the Goat of the 2024 rookie class .
Exactly, AR is pretty much given the freedom to lurk at the boards by all the other players whereas CC223D is pounced upon by the other team most of the game time. Context is everything.
yeah there is no pressure in the paint no collapsing defense or double teams...come on .. if you dont think they are banging in the paint then ur not watching.
@@chewieburnt757 NO. I do know and agree there is banging in the paint. Offensively Reese makes moves on a one on one basis. Rebounding! Absolutely, Reese engages and bangs. She is relentless. Neither was my point. I said Reese is a Dog and playing very well. I said that stats don’t lie. People do. What does Clark bring to the game? Points, rebounds, assists, steals, floor general, and poise. In addition, unlike Reese, CC is picked up 94 feet every play with defenses developed to stop her every possession. CC has been better
@jl2ealey she should of picked a different position if she doesn't want the double. Any guard worth their salt and any legit coaching should expect it. I'm sure she doesn't use that excuse as much as the fanboys
You hit the bullseye !!!
That is a ridiculously bad article.
I don’t think he understands the concept of for / against points.
The article started criticizing Caitlin Clark in the for part lol.
It doesn’t even mention the amount of points she is responsible for her team (717 points if I recall correctly).
Nothing against Angel Reese since she is having a very good start to her career also.
Mick gets it. He knows basketball very well... these people in the Media are delusional
I try to listen to your post, but this was worst than the article. You just made excuse after excuse.
Basically here it is.
CC has high assists, given good number of rebounds, and makes her teammates better on offense.
AR fierce competitor, tough league leading rebounder, good defender.
Cons
CC is horrible on defense, gives little effort at times, continues to turn the ball over.
AR can't keep her hands out the cookie jar, to many fouls, just now starting to expand offensive game.
oh no they aren't. drama sells. "if it bleeds, it leads." you might want to think about how all this applies to bogus "horse-race" journalism about e.g. the PM, or Putin, or Orban, or anything else you're being trained to have a reaction to.
@@keithlott5146 I love "excuse." classic hater BS, for both AR fans and CC fans.
an excuse is a reason, either true or invented, given to explain or defend some behavior. what needs explanation or defense here? CC's or AR's failure to make ROTY? hasn't happened yet. someone not getting the media hype they were expected to? DEFINITELY hasn't happened yet. not being a very good basketball player? um, are you serious?
so "excuse" basically means, a random online poster wants to accuse me of trying to explain away the negative outcomes they expect the the player to have, at some point in the future.
oh, because you can infallibly predict what will happen. right. I'll definitely not sleep well tonight, tossing and turning restlessly.
Don’t be fooled, the Award is already rigged for Clark eleven before the season started, they want to create debate, at the end of the day no matter what Reese does the media won’t vote for her.
True statement, Caitlin Clark doesn’t need the ROTY award, Reese needs it far more than Clark, let her have it. The face of the league is Caitlin, she is the sole reason we even watch
Caitlin fans don't watch the WNBA, they watch the Fever; or more specifically, they watch Caitlin. In no other universe would it make sense that Aaliyah Boston would get more ALLSTAR votes than A'ja Wilson. She's clearly riding Caitlin's coat tails. And yet when she sits with Caitlin at post game interviews, she is literally ignored.
That’s not how it works. Reese needs to earn it. Clark has more awards because she’s just better than Reese.
It shouldn't be picked that way. The person who has earned it should get it. CC is the face because of how hard she has worked.
@user-uf6gi7vo2w wrong on both situations. Reese has won more than Caitlin and thats facts. Caitlin hasnt won anything and only has records broken. Which by the way can be broken again. But reese will have her ring and title.
@@marywilson5192and reese has worked just as hard as clark but you cc fan refuse to see it bc yall are soo far up her ass.
I have CC as rookie of the year, better stats overall. Reese is number 2 behind for the double doubles. Though the new triple double from CC kind of negates that. Assist double doubles for a guard rookie was 3, and Clark now has 4 and a triple double. So to me, CC still has the advantage.
You do realize that Reese is getting “help” with getting her double-doubles? Go watch daPope’s video on last night’s game with the Storm. And I don’t think he even brought up how Reese only had 9 rebounds in Friday night’s game against the Storm. Got credited for a rebound when she was standing out of bounds! Refs blew the whistle, and the Storm got the ball, but Reese got credited for a rebound.
A points/assists DD is about 5 times harder to do than a points/rebounds DD. Check the league stats on those two and how many triple doubles this year.
fact. context is everything. all doubles aren't equal.
She will never get ROTY despite her stats. I just want Fever to keep going with the improved chemistry, it is magical. I ❤ this team.
Actually IF she doesn't get Roty it's BECAUSE of her stats that her fans conveniently ignore.
Reese is the highest rated rookie in player efficiency #20 (19.8) Clark is #47 (15.7). Reese is the highest rated rookie in win shares #15 (2.4) Clark is NUMBER 75YIKES ( 0.4) Reese is number 17 among players who DON'T turn the ball over. Clark is the turnoverest player in history #1 (122 second place has 79) Offensive rating, Reese #37 (108) Oh there's Caitlyn #96 (96) Defensive rating Reese #38 (99) Wait, there's Caitlyn #113 (109)
@@TheMeefive Statistics can be manicured to say anything.
Reese brushes her teeth a record 4 times each morning.
Reese drives a hybrid ... a record for WNBA rookies born on a Wednesday.
Reese [insert next useless stat here]
This is becoming humorous now. This is just a game, you know?
@@Deploracle So wait. The poster said "She will never get ROTY DESPITE HER STATS." And you have no problem with that. But when I post actual STATS, then you have a problem with stats? interesting
@@TheMeefive lol, you replied to a post about a commenter not caring about ROTY, to obsess about how Angel Reese's stats make her ROTY. dude, you look obsessive here. chill.
@@TheMeefive As I said ... statistics can be made to say anything. What is Player Efficiency for God's sake? Is that the most points per calorie burned?
CC22 just recorded the first triple-double by a rookie in the history of the WNBA, and she is getting worse. Run that by me again!
So Caitlin plays for a losing team with a bad coach and few talented players. She still dominates he competition. Wilt Chamberlain played for bad teams and once on a team the San Francisco Warriors that only won 17 games where Wilt scored 38 points a game and 26 rebounds a game. This was a team that also had HoF Nate Thurmond, HoF Al Attles and HOF Guy Rogers.
Ranking - Points - CC=16th / AR=22, Field Goals - AR=25th / CC=26th, 3 Pointers - CC = 6th / AR= 92nd, Free Throws - AR=6th / CC=11th, Rebounds - AR=1st / CC= 19th, Assist - CC=2nd / AR=54, Steals - AR=12th / CC=17th, Blocks - CC=16th / AR=42nd, Turnovers (bad=1, good=100, also hurts other stats) CC=1st / AR=76th....... so if CC didn't have a high TO rate , she would be beating AR, but the high TO makes it a toss up (some stats are weighted more heavily than others, Rebounds, Assist, Points and Turnovers have the heaviest weight)
the problem is that everyone knows a TO isn't solely on her and it doesn't directly relate to points for the other team. The highest weights are points and assist, rebounds and turnovers could have 0 impact on the game.
Forget the ROTY and the Olympic. Clark needs to focus on trying to get to the playoffs.
she is. she was clear from the beginning: that's her goal, and her teammates' goal. or at least AB's.
CC223D is. Its others that are trying to prevent an injustice. AR is promoting herself. The fix is in...
that aint happening this year lol. Need to stop leading the league in turnovers and sitting in the bottom 5 of +/- first. Until that happens, they aint going to the playoffs and the Jan 6th part of her fanbase will blame everyone in that org but her.
Clark needs to focus on turnovers!!!
@@MB-go6uy yeah, that's gonna happen.
Angel Reese does not put fans in the auditoriums. She actually drives them away with her Ghetto behavior. I like to watch Clark but Reese makes me want to watch Smackdown or something else other the WNBA bullies..
CC has more blocks than Reese 😂
Reese at 6'3 is one of the shortest players at her position, defending forwards and centers. Caitlin guards guards.
@Shannon
Yeah. Cause that means that stat is relevant/Clark is a good defender, and/or better one than Reese!?....ROFL!!!
@@TheMeefive I like Reese and LSU fan but CC is literally change the league. There are a few players coming in the near future that will advance that style change. She’s bringing NBA fans because of her style.
@@shannonmarcantel7993 She's only bringing fans to Fever games. Explain how Aaliyah Boston got more AllStar Votes than A'ja Wilson? The WNBA needs fans that are interested in the WNBA; not just one girl.
@@TheMeefive there is a lot of that right now but I think in time the entire league will benefit especially with the addition of the soon to be rookies. The style of play will slowly start changing across the board making games more exciting to watch.
Your passion (righteous indignation) is marvelous to behold. Keep up the good work.
No matter who wins ROTY they are fun to watch and I'm a WNBA fan now
Getting worse? She just scored 29 with 13 assists, 5 rebounds, a couple blocks and like 3 steals😂
The pictures they chose tell the whole story of what they think
so if she gets 3 more triple doubles this yr to tie or 4 more to break the record what will they say? for skip to say she was the leading scorer in ncaa history so because she isnt that now then she is not roy.. yet doesn't take into account that in the face of the greatest defensive pressure ever she flips her game to become pass first... check her numbers to ALL of the greatest guards ever and now and compare the rookie numbers and its not even close .. cc blows them ALL away...
Why is everyone talking about ROTY. Caitlin doesn’t care about that. CC only wants her team to win! Media get over it. The media is arguing with themselves. Go Indiana Fever 🏀🏀🏀
CC's first 11 games 15.6ppg-5.1rpg-6.36apg 35% FG% that includes that rediculously tough schedule to start the season. Second 11 games 16.6ppg-6.8rpg-8.36apg-43% FG%.
No one points to Strength of schedule. Fever played their hardest stretch, their back half is much easier. Sky have a much tougher 2nd half Reese's stats will reflect that when they drop off playing tougher bigs.
@@robertdouth8979 Fever also had to play their hard stretch while trying to build chemistry.
@@robertdouth8979nope CC games were required a high learning curve the AR. AR will have less to learn then CC did. If they were Veteran players then you statement would have merit.
Caitlin is a great passer and 3pt shooter. Her 3pt shots are always challenged whereas most other players shoot 3pt shots wide open. You have to look at degree of difficulty. If other players were defended like CC, none of them would shoot above 30%.
CC is not a "great passer". BS. She's not Magic; Isiah; Mark Jackson; Pete Maravich, or even Rajon Rando passing. She's a willing passer, but not a great, natural one. There's a difference. More importantly: Her Pro game, has not copied or improved on her college game. She can't go to the hole consistently; She needs space to shoot (contrary to what you said), and she has no post game or defense what so ever (she's actually a liability). This is one of the reasons she passes more.
@@msl5253 Have you seen her play? I’ve watched basketball since the 1960’s and CC is an elite natural passer on the level of Magic who I’ve been a fan of since his college days. She sees the court and can deliver any type of pass to an exact point. If you can’t see that I feel genuinely sorry for you. I hope it’s not the fact that she is female that is holding you back. NBA players see how good she is and she is the reason millions of new fans are watching the WNBA. It takes a great talent to move the needle like she has.
@@dan2050
Yes, and I don't get that at all from her. Never have BTW. She's a willing passer, but she's not a natural, instinctive passer IMO such as a Jason Kidd; Magic Johnson; Mark Jackson; Pete Maravich (though he was kinda flashy); Bob Cousy (see previous); Isaiah Thomas, and others I'm currently forgetting. LOL
But hey, there's a lot of things they say about CC that are not true. But I respect your opinion, and your right of it.
Caitlin Clark's genius is her GRAVITY.....in life and on the court. People are drawn to her...in the millions. Same on court. This is why she has averaged over 10 assists in the last 10 or so games
She should finish out the year and then play for another country.
love the passion bro facts and truth.... thanks
Caitlin is a point guard
CC needs to be a point guard in the mold of a penny hardaway, who would switch from point guard to shooting guard at the drop of a dime
SHE ALREADY IS. god in HEAVEN have mercy on us all, have the CC haters EVER watched an Iowa game? do you have any IDEA what she can do, with a team who understand her and who support each other, and a coach who builds her sets around CC's world-class talent? APPARENTLY NOT. CAPS LOCK.
but does CC's and Coach Bluder's game plan transition seamlessly to the WNBA? NO. and no-one but delusional newbies like me expected it to. and we were all rudely awakened when it turned out that not only was Diana Taurasi correct, and reality is coming, but that CC couldn't even count on having a supportive coach. sad face :( she was going to have to struggle through a third of the season with an incompetent coach, who shut her down every chance she got.
but what do we see now? Sides has at least stopped putting a wrench in the works, and CC is lifting her entire team to the level of the Iowa Hawkeyes: run and gun, trust the point guard, team chemistry, anticipating breathtaking passes from nowhere.
so CC is showing the ability to adapt what she did in college, to the pros. is she shooting as well as she did in the pros? no. as many people pointed out, six months ago and earlier, she was predictable, both on 3 pointers and layups. and she has a very weak mid-field shot. (not to mention her defense is also very weak.) she was amazing at 3-pointers in college because even though she was completely predictable, she was so fast, off the dribble or off the pass, that her defender was left three feet away watching her drain a logo shot.
well you can't do that in the pros -- especially not when you're getting double-teamed. but CC is very adaptable: she uses her gravity (sometimes four or even five defenders on her) to pass to her open teammates.
and then the haters are all "she can't shoot." SHE DOESN'T NEED TO. she's not trying to pad her stats, she wants her team to do well -- and guess what she's accomplished?
and yes, as she keeps training and practicing and getting her teammates to expect her passes and pass to each other and give her the ball and pass back to her (and getting their incompetent coach to set up plays that use CC's strengths), she'll improve her 3-point shooting, and her mid-range shooting, and her drives to the rim. LIKE SHE WAS DOING AT IOWA. which brought a middle-level team to the final playoffs, twice. (haters: "but she never won the championship." fool, it's not a one-player accomplishment.)
TL/DR: I respectfully disagree with your opinion.
@@outsidethegardenok
@@outsidethegardenGreat synopsis. You are entirely too reasonable for social media.
@@cathygregory3443 lol, you are too kind. and very graceful in accepting my all-caps venting.
Everyone should calm down, the fix is in, if you don’t see that, then I don’t know what to tell you. All I can say is, big mistake, but I am here for it, spoiler alert!
I think CC is by far the better basketball player than AR, but the media narrative is pro AR as they are supporting her claims that she is a victim, everyone is out to get her blah blah, which probably means she will win it.
so many of those turnovers are her team not able to catch a pass
no, that might have been true -- by now, they realize that they need to expect to be able to catch an unexpected high-speed pass, if they're open. and if they can get to an open spot, do it, and look for a pass.
playing more like Iowa did. why (if Sides can keep from screwing things up again) they'll be in the playoffs.
@@outsidethegardenload of shit 70% of turn over are from her own team dropping passes it’s a fact
@@chrisjewell-qn6qk love your "facts." where'd you get that figure?
plus, you DO realize that it's tricky to figure out what went wrong with any given turnover? and that the percent that's due to her, and the percent that's due to her teammates, and the percent that's due to the defense, will change from game to game? and especially as she and her teammates build their chemistry, the number of turnovers should decline? and that will probably change the percentage due to each cause?
I'm definitely a CC fan -- but I also don't like giving the haters more reasons to believe CC fans are all in a "cult" together. as I've been accused of being.
Reese has more rebounds...CC leads in points, assists,,steals and blocks ..CC teams is a ahead in playoff standings...cc beats her head to head..CCs team has a better record vs last year... Reese's team has a worse record vs last year...not even a close race....
Do you know that more than half of the rebounds of Angel Reese are coming from her missed shots? Keep that in mind
angel reese has more win shares meaning she affects winning more
Agree with most of what you said. But I think it’s fairly close. Clark is definitely the clear front runner though. Also comparing Reese’s team record to this year isn’t fair. They lost an all star and a MVP candidate, of course they weren’t going to be good. Sky were actually projected to be the worst team in the league coming into this year, if anything that speaks to how well Reese has impacted winning, that and Carter having her breakout season.
@nr14989 the real number is 13% of her rebounds of from her missed shots which I don't understand why it's so bad when if you watch the league players miss close shots and layups all the time but most never get another chance.
CC leads the rookies, Angel leads the league. Not the same
16,7,6. Is a stat line only accomplished by a very few in their rookie season. To also lead the league in point production is another mindblowing stat.
There is no comparison.
I don't think it matters.... People can shove their opinions. The sports writers pick the Rory.
I wish I knew who DOES pick the ROTY. very curious.
Who is RORY?
Reese has one stat over CC😂😂😂
@SM
Yeah. Like Steals (where Reese leads)
Or like Caitlin's blocks actually mean something over Reese, the FAR BETTER Defender.
Or That Reese Doesn't Lead In FG % (a stat Clark fanatics used to quote when Clark was once Briefly above), though they're both challenging IMO (with Reese on the rise the last 10 games or so).
Or that Turn Overs Don't Count, right (since it's an Ignominious Stat for Clark).
Or that Reese doesn't already Lead In Scoring If USAGE RATE were Incorporated?
Or that Reese Doesn't Already lead In ALL THE MAJOR ADVANCED METRIC Ratings or eye test.
Come on man, you can do better. But let's see what you say, if/when Reese passes Clark in scoring, cause it looks like she's ready to Bust Out with a 30+ point outing. We'll see?
CC will shut them up with her play and championships throughout her career.
I mean that’s positive thinking…. But let’s see her make playoffs first before we start deeming her to win championships lol
@@ghsense2626 love the rivalry with Reese cause it makes things a little spicy. Reese is a good post player. Not in CC’s league anymore than Shaq is in Jordan’s. But Shaq was indeed great! I’d say that’s a good comp in my mind.
@@yngtrey1638 well they’re in the playoffs right now. I imagine she will be a yearly presence in the playoffs with the way the Fever are improving.
@@Copterman I mean it’s no guarantee they make playoffs… if the sky win their next game they jump ahead of them. And if the dream ever get healthy they should start winning games again.
@@yngtrey1638
The sky are already ahead. You were watching the CBS ranking (that women's opinion). It always goes by the loss column or win percentage.
mick you are all over the place! there are metrics used to measure this !
stupid articles? metrics? like what?
Right.!
It's easier to stat-padding your rebound when you miss 60% of your shoot under the rim.
Do you think teams game plan to stop Angel? Do you see other teams covering and often doubling Angel full-court? And what does valuable mean? Brings most fans and attention to the sport which is primarilly entertainment. If you were an owner, who would you want on your team, Angel or Caitlyn? Who has the real value?
I don’t know what you’re intending to say overall, but teams most definitely game plan for keeping Angel Reese off the offensive boards.
@Chris
Yes they do all the time.
Reese, is consistently double and triple teamed. And honestly, she's a harder guard than CC, that's the hilarious part.
Oh please: Where were the "fans and entertainment for CC" during the College season when no one gave a damn about her and AR was eating up all the attention; NIL money; social media, etc.. No one cared when both met in the finals in 2023 (no one cared about either before the final , and about Clark after). So, just because ESPN, etc., creates a lot of artificial hype (Clark didn't win anything, nor had most NIL; social media, etc., far from it) that draws noobs such as yourself, stop acting like it's organic or will last.
@@msl5253 I love being called a Noob, that is the problem this noob along with thousands of other noobs could care a less about the WNBA before CC showed up. But if you don't want us to watch, that is fine, we know when we are not wanted or invited and you can have your old WNBA back where is constantly needed to be financed by the NBA. So have fun, it is all yours because it is clear that I hit a nerve with my questions.
@@ChristopherJWeeks Aces average attendance in 2022 was 5606. 2023 it was 9551. (Caitlin was in college) September 10 2023, Aces vs Mercury was moved to T Mobile Arena for 17406 fans in attendance.
Nobody cares about Caitlin fans. They ONLY watch Fever games and then act like the WNBA NEEDS them. It doesn't. The WNBA needs fans who are actually interested in the WNBA; not just ONE player.
@@TheMeefive thanks, have fun watching
That thumbnail of CC is funny as hell 0:26
It's gonna be a problem when she starts hitting 40% of her threes. And she will.
that guy does not like CC, it's been on record before, lol. Some men are so threatened by a woman being good at a sport it's crazy
the shooting percentage drop is hilarious
Clark has been the focus of every defense. Double teams against her very common
Cc most probably could care less about roty. I guarantee that if AR were awaeded roty tommorow CC would be saying congratulations to her. I'm not too sure that Angel would be that magnanimous, but hey, I could be wrong. But there's no question in my mind that CC would be gracious and congatulatory, because that's the kind of person that she is. She just wants to play bball and make her team better. And roty doesn't have anything to do in helping her make that goal.
IT'S AMAZING WHAT A DIFFERENCE A DAY MAKES. IT THE WNBA SEASON CAME TO THE END NOW. THEY'RE BOTH IN PLAYOFF STANDARDS.
Clark doesn't need ROTY. We, Iowans and others who share valuing good sportsmanship and good character, don't mind if Angel gets it. Hopefully it would settle something for AR and she could become more grounded with her choices.
Clark's destiny is bigger than sportswriters' drama votes. She doesn't need their awards. She doesn't need championships. She doesn't even need to ''win''. - She is on to something bigger: The Joy of Sport and Sharing This With Others. . . She could retire today and would be able to continue doing inspiring and great work - being the best role model for children, being a friend to her countless ''neighbors'', teaching how to make the game better, and leading more charitable initiatives.
She won't need to retire, and she will win awards, and win countless games and set many records, but as she said - that was never what her sport was all about.
GIve it to Reese. Let the sportswriters make their own fictions become truth. Then, watch what comes next. Will they be at peace and just cover and celebrate sports, as was the tradition of their profession in all earlier eras? Or will they need....MORE...MORE...MORE? Let them have it. Let them feed their endless hunger.
Clark will instead spend her time actually feeding those who are truly hungry.
The W need to support both CC223D and AR equally or face a backlash. CC223D can handle the adversity and probably was aware of the toxicity before joining the W. AR needs ROTY to be relevant whereas CC223D doesn't. ROTY Is just a participation award, whereas CC223D has the receipts through the stats. If AR gets it judged on the article in the Guardian, it will not age well and all these other hit piece articles will make the MSM look corrupt which will accelerate the demise of MSM.
To me the ROTY isn’t a debate because of one simple fact: opp teams literally plan their entire defense scheme on stopping one player CC. They pick her up full court every game. Angel doesn’t get that treatment and she plays hot potato w her own missed layups .. sooooo
The thing with Angel Reese is that probably more than half of her rebounds are coming from her missed shots
This has been debunked multiple times😂😂 Stop It. Without the misses, she STILL leads, GET Over IT!
@@smm764I don’t understand why people like this lie…? Like you might get 1 super casual fan to believe you but every knowledgeable fan knows it’s absolutely not even close to an accurate stat. She gets 2-3 offensive rebounds off her own misses a game…. She averaged 12 rebounds… do the math lol
People who keep saying this are not watching the games, just clips on X
STOP IT 👎
@@yngtrey1638it has been debunked other RUclips already went over this do ur homework
22% of her rebounds comes from her misses 78% comes from her team misses and the other team misses. Angle getting her own rebounds is a good thing instead of turnovers after a miss like CC . When angle miss she gets the ball back when CC miss the other team gets the ball 😂
Kevin Durant who is 6'11 and can shoot over everybody shot 43% and LeBron 42% as rookies and they didn't take the bulk of their shots from 3-pt range which skews one's shooting % south. Clark's main rival Angel Reese is a power forward with the highest offensive rebounding rate in the league yet only shoots 42%. Clearly, this writer lacks basketball knowledge picking on Clark's FG%.
You're doing an awesome job Mike.
Maybe we could just STFU!! And try and enjoy some, if not good at least interesting basketball. We are 1/2 way through the Season maybe we can wait till the last 5 games before we start giving the ROTY award away..
Double and triple coverage will throttle her 3-point shot efficiency. But CC knows if she has 2-3 people on her, 2-3 of her teammates are NOT being covered! Next... pass... Assist!
Has anybody forgotten about a second free throw while guarding AR? I haven't seen anything.
Let me talk to you. This turnover argument is meaningless and nonsense. The top five turnover artists in the NBA'S real basketball league are LeBron James - 5,003 Turnovers, Karl Malone - 4,524 Turnovers, Russell Westbrook - 4,469 Turnovers, John Stockton - 4,244 Turnovers, Kobe Bryant - 4,010 Turnovers, The turnovers in no way diminish their other contributions, achievements and legacies. And that is a fact Jack, and the rest of the story.
Looking forward to Caitlin and Angel taking it to the Olympic team.
It’s getting to be too much, I’m tired of the media articles and videos on this. At the end CC is here to do a job and it’s to play and win. I don’t go to work trying to get employee of the month or year, it’s an added bonus. She will still get more endorsement deals. No championship ring in college and she’s getting a shoe and basketball. She will be fine. This arguing back and forth is tiring.
I agree, but also what is up with us sitting here and watching and responding to it? We may have a problem.
@Sara
Where were Clarks Deals with NIL After 2023, when she got nada, zilch, and stayed the same?
Too funny, if you understood what I just said, meant....Noobs. ROFL
Voters feeling pressured and don’t wanna be called racist that’s what it comes down to
CC22 is a great passer. The problem is that her teammates need to handle the pass, and according to the recorder, the bad ball handling is given to the passer, not the person who mishandled the pass.
No counts double double in the nba or any other league
in WNBA 27 years over 11,000 double doubles. And only 31 triple doubles! Clark is the true ROTY!
You can't say that. How dare you. Feelings over facts in the W.
They have to stop with Reese roty. No way can they survive the replays of her rebounding her missed layups. No way. It would destroy their credibility. I'm sure she's a good player. But the highlights don't lie. It would be a pr nightmare
A lot of Caitlin’s TO’s have been passes that some of her teammates should have caught for assists. Now that they are geling. Angel plays down low and has a horrible shooting %.
Maybe they should have labeled her “electrifying” vs GOAT then maybe there could be better argument about her performance. CC is know for her scoring more so her passing, but now it’s not about her scoring but passing. We continue to change the narratives or requirements to justify the argument that CC is a better player. People come to the games to apparently see the “greatest shooter” not the greatest passer. This is why I stated the change of the narratives or requirements.
So shes getting so bad she got the first triple double for a rookie, imagine if she was a good player. These so called experts are a joke
Unless Caitlin just falls off the face of the planet there's only one choice and it is Caitlin Clark Caspar NO ONE game a shit about the wnba before her and everything she is doing on the floor leading her team is more impressive than someone getting half of her missed layup shots to average a double double
The timing for the screens for the Fever are aweful. Most of the time CC initiates the play before the screens are set, and the defender is able to stick to CC, so when she goes up its not as clean a look as she would have otherwise gotten. If you look at the plays that have worked, you will see, when the screen is effective she splashes. Dont get me wrong though, alot of them even if they are contested, she will make them. They need to be better with the screens.
If cc does not win their will be a big backlash
the hype was she would destroy the league. not the rookie class but the entire league. The hype diminished the entire league before clark even suited up for game 1... has she delivered???
Reese has no 3 point game. All of her shots are inside 3 feet. She should should 60% from that distance.
She went 2/2 the other day and then went 0/2 the following game and they went wild even though CC already has the 3s. Weirdos 🤷🏽♂️
She’s not supposed to be shooting 3’s…you guys don’t know basketball
@@michellesmith9522 and CC isn't supposed to be getting rebounds. the problem with this ROTY nonsense is, it's apples to oranges.
SO I watched the Storm vs Sky game last night. The Storm a very good defensive team did not put a body on Reese until the 4th quarter when it was time to win the game. The Storm almost gave AR her double double before the 1st quarter. At some point I would hope these Veterans and gate keepers of this great League called the WNBA would put a body on her and stop this ridiculous record they have going.
All these media outlets just want is attention, even if it is negative attention. Dissing Clark is a sure way to get negative attention.
I don't think we should even be talking about ROTY yet.
She's actually doing something no player in the w has ever done with her averages and over 50% of her turnovers were dropped passes. Reese only wishes she had the fan base it's ok Caitlin we love ya girl kyhu ur our MVP girl
She's also getting double team full court what other rookie have you ever seen getting this kind of response. Nobody wants to be the team where she gets comfortable and kills it.
Se are all waiting for that game where she explodes and scores 40, once her team starts setting god screens.
Angel Reese can't even convert her offensive rebounds well, so why do people respect that? She averages 12 rebounds a game, which is very good, but only averages 13 points a game! If you're converting those offensive rebounds into points effectively, shouldn't she be scoring 20 points a game on average? And her shooting percentage stinks, she just making more opportunities for rebounds.
Reese, averages 14+ Points a game (and about 19 her last 7 games or so). Her offensive rebounds, only account for about 13% of her scoring (we hear), cause the stat you guys keep repeating is a lie.
Reese's shooting % is better than Clarks (and continues to rise, while Clarks stays the same). So, what's your point?
Concerns regarding ESPN's coverage may emerge, particularly when athletes like Caitlin Clark and Angel Reese receive unequal attention. Nevertheless, recent reports suggest that both athletes have been given significant coverage, with their performances and influence on the WNBA Rookie of the Year race being a focal point. Considering the overall performance and statistics, I would decisively award Caitlin Clark the title of Rookie of the Year!
love your verbiage. definitely a candidate for major media sports coverage. "recent reports suggest that both athletes have been given significant coverage." how true! undeniable!
4:53 call Ghostbusters, the Ghosts of the W past cannot let go. I think one concern is that more diverse people could enter the W if being a 'big' is proved to be no longer the pinnacle but a standard size person with a different skill set. The W don't want it to be more exiting but to keep it "physical" so brute strength is valued more than basketball IQ. DT was praised for pointing out there is a transition period (causing the % drop) but Alex Kirshner appears to think that everyone apart from CC223D should be given that grace period. Total hit piece.
CC deserves ROTY as of now… but I think they should give out CO-ROTY so both sides don’t throw a temper tantrum and give the rivalry hype another boost!
Great commentary
One player shoots from 30' and the other shoots from 3'
You know it’s all boo boo. Her team beats the best team in the league and gets a triple double. So they come back with all this foolishness today.