They conspicuously do not mention cargo capacity or cost per ton, which is the thing that really matters. I suspect the cost will also be eye wateringly expensive.
Looks like that may be the trick. They get a bigger range for the same (or maybe even slightly better) efficiency as competitors while having a larger battery, a more powerful drive train and the same legal and structural limits on total mass to abide by. The most realistic way to accomplish that is by carrying a lighter load, like the small number of concrete barriers on one of their demonstration video of a in their own words fully loaded truck, and then calculate the regular efficiency over the total weight, and leave out the numbers for efficiency over the weight of just the stuff you're transporting: the cargo. Not bad for all applications (styrofoam needs to be transported too, as a very extreme example, it just needs the space, not the carrying capacity), might even fill a bit of a gap in medium range transport. But that would make it fall way short of the promised revolution.
@@rogerstarkey5390 Absolutely guessing as they provided no data. A short haul, lower capacity truck could still be useful in certainly applications, though. I am not dismissing it entirely. We just don't know because they didn't provide the useful information. Also there is the price question. Other Tesla products are essentially luxury items. Many haulers may no be able to afford a "luxury" truck.
With Volvo or Scania I at least somewhat trust the numbers they publish. Most of Musk's promises and predictions have shown to be a little "optimistic" over the years.
As a happy EV owner I should say that the max range of a vehicle is a red herring. You don’t DC fast charge to 100% chiefly because the last 20% is much slower and you don’t want to be down to under 20% unless you are super confident of your nearest charger. So a 500 mile range is really more like 300-350 miles in most cases. These chargers are not going to be everywhere. Also batteries degrade. My Model 3 lost about 10% of range in the first year (loss has slowed a lot since) so a one year old truck driving almost every day would definitely suffer some of that degredation. After say 5 years your 500 (usable under 400) mile range would probably be under 400 (usable under 300).
You forget that they actually DROVE 500 miles fully loaded and still had 39(?) miles remaining? Then there's the size of the pack compared to charging required. IF it drives 500 miles or more every day. And IF that's at full load, Then it would need less than 30 minutes on a megacharger to outrange a driver (500 over 8 hours, then the driver maxes out at 3 more hours, 210 miles, 20 minutes charge. . But if it's even slightly below max load, or less distance, or flatter terrain, that increases range, which reduces (high rate) charging during the day. . Overnight charging? Why not a lower voltage charger? Just as a car charges at home, these could use a V3 at a car charge location over 4-5 hours. . Let's not second guess the performance?
Range and freight capacity for a commercial application is where the money is at... those are the most important specs for a semi and the fact that they are silent about how much freight it will actually move is suspect...
Everyone's taking these claims about the Semi as fact without any of it being proven. Other than Musk's word, there's nothing yet to back the Semi's performance or to prove that it can do what it was claimed to be able to do. On the flip side, there's PLENTY of evidence of Musk overselling his products, making grandiose promises that never come to light, and straight up lying. I don't get why people are jumping on this bandwagon so easily.
i wouldn't want to drive in any of these EV cars or trucks at all, i have seen when they spontaneously combust, it is freaking scary, because they immediately turn into a deathtrap that is very hard to escape and in most cases people could end up as molten rock because that's how how they burn as a chemical fire. these better be driverless and on their own freaking road, i wouldn't want to trust driving next to them when they combust, or even park near them, as they have been found to combust even when parked and charging. Elon explains it has to do with the batteries we are using, but he still uses these shitty batteries that cause this issue. he says we need a better battery which i agree with, but we are stuck with something like this and that is a bad deal all-around.
That's still less than half of what traditional Semi can carry, if not less. based on the video of them hauling those blocks, a normal Semi can carry nearly 48k Unsurprisingly Tesla is not disclosing any tech specs. They have two models, one with longer range, but they never seem to make it clear how much each is carrying or what battery is being used. I believe in the video where it was passing the other Semi on the road it (Tesla) was probably carrying 10k
@@TearDownGenesis i agree, it's just not a viable option with what Tesla has to offer. let all the rich morons fund this shit, because most of these people are morons and don't know what is a good option, they just understand money and that's about it, no real world experience outside of money and how investments work.
TESLA is 5 years late , but has been using Tesla semi to haul for SpaceX and Tesla , even hauling cars for Tesla customers. for 5 years , Tesla has all that data.
Tesla car batteries weigh about 6 kg per kWh, so that 1000 kWh battery pack will weigh 6 tonnes. Add in the motors, chargers, etc and the total weight is likely close to 7 tonnes. The engine and fuel in a typical diesel truck weigh roughly 2 tonnes. Meaning the Tesla will have a cargo capacity 5 tonnes less, and assuming a 20 tonne cargo limit for the diesel that means the Tesla has 25% less cargo capacity.
Tesla offers a 300 mile version of the Semi, your video seems to infer that Tesla ONLY offers the 500 mile truck. And Tesla stated that their Semi’s KW/M was 1.7 and they saw a path to 1.6, so the Tesla battery size is around 850 KW at 1.7
@@paulbedichek5177 "He lies" is a strong statement..... you have something to back that up??? So far, there is no evidence to suggest that he is wrong.
I think you forgot a pretty important stat. How much cargo can it load or in other words how heavy is the tesla semi. If you have double the battery size than your competitors, you should have less cargo capacity. One reason more to make a smaller battery version of the semi.
More importantly: How much load capacity does it have. Range is one thing, but the battery is probably quite heavy (much heavier than a diesel engine + Fuel) and this will probably limit how much freight the Tesla truck can handle.
While any electric truck is a major engineering accomplishment, it seems Tesla didn't do anything that miraculous but instead used a much larger battery. The fact that Tesla hasn't confirmed a) the cargo capacity, and b) the price suggests both are bad compared to competitive options.
Well, if they had claimed anything, sceptics would still say it isn't true. This far, Tesla has over and over delivered on promises of performance. At some point it would be wise to give them the benefit of doubt.
I hear the cargo is anywhere from 35,000LB TO 20,000LB they haven't posted that spec. In their test video, they are moving a lot fewer dividers than an ICE rig.
The BIG QUESTION is how much the truck actually weighs. Yah it can go 500 miles but HOW MUCH OF THAT 82K GVW is the weight of the truck??? If you can only haul 30K lbs then this isn’t going to function for the freight industry (unless you are hauling potato chips).
In city and short haul is good way less polution is good for my lungs and yours .. so electric is a good thing i think but has limitations like most things .. pros and cons .
@@xe-wf5iv depends on how the electricity is produced and yes for in city could be a good thing but then again very little in our world makes much sense anymore so your probally correct , more for less is the norm today ..
What's the EMPTY WEIGHT of the truck?? If the truck weighs too much it won't be able to carry much payload as it's limited to 82,000 lbs (for electric semis) total here in the USA
As a truck drive and driven 12 tonne electric truck in 2006/8 Smith Electric UK for FEDEX who had it on trial to see if it was feasible.. It was amazing when it worked 0 to 20mphat a traffic light standing start was lightning up. To 40mph was OK, down hill with wind behind 60mph scary!! Up hill 5 mph flat out, the batteries where always over heating bla bla bla so just not commercially feasible but this Tesla is on another level.. Its the average speed that matter to all drivers.. There is no gear shifter anymore on diesel trucks, they are all automatic so that will be similar but the smoothness, the torque, the driving position, the comfort, the quietness its going to be mind bending.. But the tyres OMG they need to be something special.. All that torque via the tyres it will double the wear rate.. So my question if I had the chance to Musk, who's making the tyres and what's the cost and mileage..
@@Wirmish ...sure, no one will ever actually use all that torque because humans are such caring unemotional creatures who never try testing the limits of anything they touch.
@@jeremypnet I can assure you they will.. The load will not end up out the back door.!! Sorry but that is a little bit of a silly comment. There are systems in place to make sure the load is securely strapped down.. Can you imagine the force /mass in an accident.. It would end up through the cabin.. Only a fool doesn't strap down thier load correctly.
No mention by Tesla as to the life of the battery, given the high cost of the battery compared to the cost of the Semi as a whole, it will not be cost effective to replace the battery when it starts to lose charge.
What is the net cargo capacity. The Tesla video seem to show about 6 tons of cargo (highway divider) so empty weight of the semi is 34 tons? Tesla semi can go 1000 miles just add another giant battery but then we may be at the max load limit of 41 tons with no room for cargo. Just curious which trucking company is willing to pay top dollars for small cargo capacity?
Trucks are high mileage vehicles - 1m miles, unlike a car. If u want the battery to last u dont charge above 80% and u dont go below 20%. The Tesla video shows the battery at 4% when it gets to its 500 mile destination. If the semi uses up to ten car battery packs, the cost of the batteries will be around $150,000. A transport company will need to take great care with these batteries, considering the industry has a small 6% porfit margin.
I must be out of the loop. I didn't realize that Nikola was still a legitimate player in. the Semi EV space. Very good job on covering all of the specs that matter!
At 500 mile range this truck basically gives you 25% of the range and cargo capacity of a current Diesel truck. Cool tech, but for a freight company that just doesn't make sense.
During the original presentation they announced a 300 mile version and a 500 mile version. The 300 mile was orginally advertised at 150k and 180k for the 500 mile version.
Yes, Tesla will release the lower range version WHEN they have some charging infrastructure to charge them. Currently they do not. So, they are releasing the longer range so that the truck can make the return trip and recharge at their base warehouse. Once some of these large clients are done and Tesla has had a chance to add some mega-charging stations on routes the existing clients use, they could start delivering some shorter range versions while expanding the mega-charger network. The second major point is: These first few large fleet clients will provide valuable testing so that Tesla can ensure that the semi is reliable for smaller owner/operators who can NOT afford for their rig to have down time. Nor can they afford to be stuck somewhere without a means to charge it.
IIRC the Tesla semi averaged 1.7 kWh/mile over the test trip. Bigger batteries allow not only for more power, more powerful regen braking and faster charging. While cruising, the required current is lower per unit of battery capacity, the C discharge rate is lower. This extends battery lifetime. On shorter trips, it would reduce the cycle counts and with it battery life.
exactly why having the bigger battery is a plus long term. You don't want to be pushing the limits of the battery every damn trip... that'll degrade the battery life much quicker.
@@scottmcelhiney323 Correct. The first gen Nissan Leaf is a classic example. Borderline small capacity to begin with combined with fast degradation due to high cycle count amplified by poor thermal management. Small batteries suffering from high discharge rates combined with high cycle count = degradation squared. For professional use one wants BIG.
@@josefj1776 but smaller battery at the same gross weight give you less range, less power, slower hill climb&decent, lower battery life, higher depreciation, no faster charging, less flexibility on tours without recharge. Often, the truck is not weight, but volume limited. I am sure, if the customers demand a smaller battery, they could get one. I am also sure few, if any customer will request this. If small is better, competition will sell more than Tesla. I doubt it.
I'm annoyed by the secretive cargo weight as well. We know the gross is 81 but what is the tare. Viking thinks it's 17 while thunderf00t thinks it's close to 70, and this video completely ignores the cargo weight. I think thunder is closer which would make this half the cargo capacity of a diesel. I also think this is a ticking time bomb for fires, I guess we'll find out
@@pd8109 i am pretty sure the max cargo weight is 26400 lbs from my calculations as they can have a total weight of 82,000 lbs .. time will tell i guess ..
I think in real world applications, they're probably going to cut actual usage to half of the rated use to leave room for error. Like some batteries having defects, drivers not charging them long enough, driver error, fleet usage and application, wait times at shipping facilities, etc. Companies will want to use these as much as possible so two drivers per truck makes good roi on equipment, is it possible eTrucks can keep up to the daily use. Many companies run their fleet 24/7/365 in all kinds of weather, traffic and all kinds of situations. What kind of tech support can a fleet expect when equipment is down. We know tesla's have a bad history of taking forever for repairs and customer support.
I love how the Semi is better than the competitors*, which trucks' specs are available, and, I assume, the trucks themselves are available (not sure about the Nicola one). *according to unconfirmed claims, that only come from Tesla.
Over one week ago, my _back of napkin math_ shows SEMI to have 850 kWh battery pack with 1.7 kWh consumption per mile Turning to CYBRTRK which shares 1000 V architecture and can charge at the Mega W SEMI V4 SUPER Chargers will have a 175 kWh pack with a useable 163.3 kWh pack, concluding a distance travelled per 1 kWh of 3.1 miles. Not bad. Total range therefore is 507milrs or for the _Metric Heads_ like me ~810kms. This shows a 175 kWh pack in the QUAD CYBRTRK, around one fifth of the SEMI, covers a similar range!
Pepsi is a great place as a test bed for the semis for now. Their routes (short, intermediate, & LR) are pretty much the same day in and day out. The info on the price, real world performance, will eventually start filtering out. Can hardly wait.
Your forgetting Pepsi can haul their lightass potatochips since the cargo can’t be as heavy as traditional trucks,..but it should be alarming that PepsiCo is still their only “brag/news” in those years
@@AnthraxxxxxI don't know how many semis are ordered and how many they have received. I am a retiree from Pepsi and one thing about hauling beverages, each pallet of pop weighs approx 2000 lbs. The cases of pop are stacked so they are locked and then shrink wrapped. Where I worked, the trailers were loaded 2 abreast, one single, 2 abreast and so on. 53' trailers. I didn't work that dept but speaking with the drivers, it was extremely important to drive as smooth as possible. No hard accelerations, no sudden stops, no quick lane changes. Even though the pallets were shrink wrapped, it didn't take much to topple one over. Now, hauling potato chips is different. It would be interesting to know what their first semi is slotted for.
@@Anthraxxxxx I don't know how you formed your opinion, but I'll say again. Watch, or listen to the Tesla Q4 earnings call. Zachary Kirkhorn (Tesla CFO, not known to "overstate"?) Actually DID state "500 miles with *NO compromise to LOAD capacity* " . Then Elon musk immediately confirmed the same. . Yet "some" still insist on suggesting that's not the case, or not possible, based on....? Rumor? Speculation? Guessing? A hypothesis that "it's never been done before, so how can Tesla do it now?"....? . Remember the phrase "don't believe what you read in the papers"? Same applies to the internet. . Duh?
@@jogibajr seems he did no more than quickly look at the semi event. he's speculating on things that have already been confirmed; 300 mile range version and 1.7kwh in the current production vehicles. pretty pathetic channel this one.
Your making an assumption here. One of Tesla’s great strengths is quickly improving the engineering and architecture of their vehicles. With all of the first semi’s going to be used internally and at Pepsi, I expect many improvements, especially in battery technology, to be made before large numbers of these vehicles are manufactured for other companies.
Tesla DOES offer a 300 mile semi. The purpose of the delivery event to highlight the accomplishment of delivery a long range semi that everyone said was impossible.
How much will a battery weighing 11,000 pounds cost? How difficult will it be to create a network of charging stations? Not every city has a 1MW power grid. But we can also make a battery train. Ten wagons and two are batteries. Will it be cost effective?
The reason the truck will possibly only come in the 500 mile variant is charging time. If you get a 250 mile variant, your charge time might be a few hours to 100%. The 500 mile version will charge to 70% in 30 minutes, which allows you shorter range usage while benefiting from, for electric, lightning fast charge time.
There should be mention made of the fact the Tesla semi is so much more quiet than standard diesel semis. Especially around urban areas, this is a huge deal for city dwellers as their quality of life will be greatly improved not only by the lack of diesel fumes but by a much reduced engine roar background din.
Yes, urban areas, short distances, that is where BEV trucks can be really useful. And Volvo knows that. That is why they have several models, here in Europe you have six to chose from. Proven tech, proven company, good working environment for the driver. It works. Are on the market since a couple of years. Thousands of them are on the road doing normal work. And if you need heavier then Scania is the world leader with their 64, 74 and 80 tonne BEV trucks.
TESLA semi is the ONLY Class 8 500+ mile BEV semi w/ 3 PLAID motors that hauls 82k Gross . its also Worlds FASTEST semi in PRODUCTION 0 - 60 < 10 seconds (unloaded) uphill.
Only Tesla seems to care about the 0-60 stats. Rather than talk about what people don't care about, why don't they talk about price, weight, and the stats that shipping companies and drivers do care about?
@@feelinggrape How so? What is so "clearly not" when they have clearly demonstrated a $180K electric semi that can go over 500 miles on a charge with almost max payload?
I don’t know about the US but in the U.K. I work at a large warehouse for the largest supermarket. We’re part of a hub of warehouses interconnected all within 100-200 miles, we also have renewable energy and all electric ppts already..this is perfect for about 80% of logistics applications
Good point. Even if just 20% of these medium to short haulers want to buy, Tesla would be overwhelmed by both limitations in ramp rate & 🔋. So trying to be the max load, max range on initial release doesn't make sense.
there is a scenario where shipping containers at very busy marine port terminals are hauled inland to intermediate container yards. The truck used for that purpose really needs to be electric so as to reduce polution in the urban area it operates in. Tesla should offer a version of the semi that is specifically speced and priced to that specific use case
will never happen. there is a problem here and it is called weight. a shipping container will be loaded to maximum density as to what the weight it can hold, when a piggy back frame being towed by a tesla truck shows up to take a container away the whole gross loaded container plus truck will be illegal.
battery costs some $100 per kWh, so those extra 300 kWh cost an extra $30k. This is mostly insignificant for such a semi given it also allows them to lose 25% capacity over a couple of years of intensive use and still retain as much capacity as the competition offers new. Nobody buys such a semi and let is sit on the lot. They roll. And added capacity allows them to roll more often and be more flexible with their charging strategy.
Industry estimates are that Tesla is down under $85 a Kwh. Might have gone up a bit with inflation recently... but that was the estimate due to their battery design and production costs with vertical integration. With the 4680 cell production still being worked out and brought up to scale... they may cost significantly more as they build out the infrastructure to build them in quantity... but they have the tech and experience doing stuff like this, so once they have production fine tuned they can duplicate it easily inhouse.
@@scottmcelhiney323 That is what the projections suggest. I was conservative and wanted to keep the numbers simple :-) It also won’t change the argument, even amplifies it.
How much does that battery pack weigh? What is max weight for a truck on the road??? That truck in the video was fully loaded? It was carrying like 10 concrete barriers, that is fully loaded????
What is the payload capacity. Can't find that anywhere. Not the gross weight but payload capacity? This is the most important factor for any tractor pulling over 250 miles.
I believe the high charging capability for the Semi is actually due to it using 4 separate battery packs, so the charging unit (8 slots) will charge each separately which allows for the high right of charge without damaging the battery. Sorry, but there is no way you can get a 1Mw charging capability into the Cybertruck. its not able getting power through the lines, That's the easy part. Its about the battery getting that level of current sent through it. The problem with this video is "Tesla claims" frequently used in analysis. Really not the best thing for a company that consistently falls short of its claims.
Thunder foot does a good breakdown. Notice they talk about 0-60, range, etc. but not hauling capacity. That’s because half of their hauling capacity is used for the battery. It’s a red herring. Also, Tesla doesn’t build their batteries. They buy them from CATL and Panasonic.
Why isn't anybody mentioning that the batteries are in the trailer? This makes perfect sense. You can charge the trailer at the loading station and it can be configured to the distance you want to pull it.
The transmission may not be somewhat underkill.. From my experience The transmission protects the motors and allows for hugr torq capabilities to climb hills. Starting from still on a hill? I hope the transmission will get a low low gear.
This is also SIX wheel drive on 3 independent axles. That's great traction in slippery conditions. 1000volt architecture would contribute to efficiency. Running one single motor at optimal loading on level ground cruising further contributes to efficiency. On hill descent, 3 motors would mean a lot of regenerative braking power. I estimated 1200hp, or roughly 3x model 3 performance motors with carbon sleeves (285kw) each.
I wonder though, how much more tire wear the regenerative braking will cause. More of the stopping power will be limited to fewer wheels if the trailer air brakes aren't being applied as much, which will add significant wear.
No one said an 81,000 load. He said an 81,000lb rig. Which shows why the Tesla semi will fail. The unit is at maximum gross weight with a load of only 5-6 tonnes, about 1/4 2hat a ICE rig can tow.
I can tell you didn't watch the semi reveal event. The Tesla Semi does come as a 300 mile version. The Tesla mega charger uses the version 4 supercharger cable not the charging port. The Tesla semi will use the standard ccs charging port.
A smaller battery does not charge faster, if the charger is capable enough for the large battery. Batteries have a healthy maximum charging speed. charge faster and the batteries ages faster. A larger batterie can take in more power at the same time than a smaller batterie since the incoming power is distributed to the individual cells. In both batteries the individual cells receive the same power so the charging time for both battery packs is the same.
It's interesting they didn't test it in any other state, the 500 miles of range at max load is doable in California where speed limits are 55 for semi's, but how well would it do in other states where the semi's can go 60 to 70 mph
@@necoates77 alot of evs loe a lot of range in the cold unless they have some battery warmer so it can be used all year round but that would probably drain it and reduce mileage too
@@jmaddy3 it should have 5 air induction tunnles that spin 5 high tech turbine,s to generate more power to run such things , if you think about the impact ( force )of air used instead of just resistance and the amount of force lost makes no sense to me .. would cost an extra $10,000 but i think it would work and no i am not high , maybe stupud . But motion x force = energy maybe enough to regen some of the battery , heat , lights ect ...
To charge a 950kwh battery to 70% capacity in 30 minutes will require a 1.33 megawatt charger and that is not taking into account inefficiencies. One megawatt simply can't do the job. And presuming that this is indeed a one thousand volt system, that is a staggering 1330 amperes that the charger is supplying the truck via the charging cable. To put that in perspective a typical US household power circuit is 15-20 amperes and uses 12 gauge (2.5 mm) wire. That means you are going to need one heck of a cable, liquid cooled or not to connect the semi to the charger. I'll let someone else do the math on that, the online calculator that I was using doesn't compute those numbers! And by the way, one megawatt hour is enough energy to supply 800 average US houses for one hour. Sorry guys, math doesn't lie. People, however, do. Good luck fast charging your new semi.
I don’t see how multiple semis will get charged in a reasonable amount of time at a typical warehouse / loading dock or even charging station. Yes this apparently can be done for a limited number but widespread use? I don’t see how. Any serious trucking company is not going to want to wait hours for their rigs to charge , time is money, and who will be willing to invest in the charging infrastructure that would be needed for multiple rigs at a warehouse or cross dock?
Love to see if this thing could handle the Vancouver to Kamloops run in all 4 seasons hauling full capacity. (hint... highway through hell) and what happens during winter if it gets side lined for 2 days during road closures? can this thing use tire chains with out smashing the drive line to pieces? How well will it conserve battery life doing at peak climb 8% for a solid 5 miles? How does a tow truck hook up to this thing to pull it out of a snow bank? Chrome wont get you home boys. I see this thing as a fare weather truck at best. stay on flat roads and baby it to your destination.
I wonder how much bigger the fire will be on this one than it is on the cars? It's about two hours to put out an electric car that's on fire, how long for the truck?
Smaller battery pack is currently irrelevant at this time Mike. Don't get ahead of yourself with speculation at a launch! (You apparently never hear of supply and demand!) When you are at a 100+ unit a year capacity at Giga Nevada you ... " just pump it up ". Austin or ?????????????? is the future for the real SEMI line to take on the real demand market share!
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Tesla semi trucks are great for pepsi and all the other short haul companies out there, but I drive OTR and 500 miles is a short day. I normally average 600 to 700 miles a day and only fuel every other day. Having to fuel up everyday for 30 mins or even twice a day would be a problem. Not to mention the only places these truck can currently fuel is in private lots, this is geat tech, but not for most of the trucking industry. What happens if these trucks get stuck on a closed, snowy road for 3 days, or a bridge or road they normally go on is closed and they have to go 2 hundred miles out of route? To some extent these are a geart idea, but I think we are putting the cart before the horse so to say. The infastruture of the electrical grid can't handle 200,000 semis trying to charge every day, I mean Calli and Texas already have problems in the summer with electric cars charging. My opinion is Musk should be trying to fix the electical grid, the electrical capasity in the US, and then try to sell electric semi trucks. Not to mention did anyone else notice they did the test at 81,000lbs, that is 1k over gross in most states, unless they got a waver to be heavier as an EV. They also did not mention as to how heavy the Batts are, If a normal semi truck with trailer weighs somewhere around 34K, that means they can haul a max of 46K of freight. If the Tesla truck and trailer weight more than 34K, then EV trucks would either have to travel under new rules on the road or carry less weight. Carrying less weight means higher consumer prices, as it would take more trucks to haul the same amount of freight. And there is another probelm too, and it is not going to be easy to fix, the infastructure may be easy to fix in large cities. However trucks deliver freight to many places around the county where even electric cars are only a pipe dream as some of those places don't even have great cell phone service. You think they are going to pay to have megabit charging stations, and how long would it take to charge a simi without the megabit charging station? I really love how they talk about all the great things, but we have to deal with the not so great parts. I want to know how long it will take to charge an EV semi without megabit conections. I bet it is hours or even days, being there are EV cars that take 5 to 6 hrs with low voltage chargers. Like I said these trucks are cool, but without better battery inventions and longer millage range with less weight, these are only going to ever be short haul trucks. To make a viable OTR truck it would need to have a range of around 2000 to 3000 miles per charge, charge just as fast if not faster, and be lighter or with new laws passed to accomidate the heavy batteries. Also there would have to be a 500k to 750k millage warrenty on the bateries. Not to mention the infustructure updates, being your average truck can fuel in about 7 to 10 mins. 30 mins would mean you would need 3 times to number of parking spots and every spot have these megawatt chargers on them. Also remember parking is alrady a huge problem in the country that has yet to be solved. I won't way this will not happen in my lifetime, but it is going to take and enormous effort from the Federal government all the way down the the local governments to pull this off in the next 30+ years.
The FUD over the grid is all but dead and buried. The short of it is that it grows every year. With EV cars and trucks it grows faster. Search for "engineering explained grid". Musk is fixing the grid. It get better with every grid scale battery and power wall sold. AU is way ahead of the US On that one. "And there is another probelm too, and it is not going to be easy to fix, " Your a trucker. Independant truckers will tell you the hell it is to get a truck fixed on the road. Most problems on a Tesla semi short of a battery replacement is going to be far easier to fix than a class 8 diesel. You have 3 motors and can carry one of them around like a football or watermelon. The rest is mostly PCB replacement. Send the kids to tech school. Dump them in a van and put them on the road. Would be far better service than most are getting with their diesels. In the end the truck that makes the most money is the truck that will sell. Instead of asking the electric truck to look like an ICE think about what it would take to build an ICE truck that can compete with the strong points of the electric truck. That would be 30+ years away. Maybe never. The Tesla Semi has arrived.
No truckdriver can legal drive more than 4,5 hours (300 miles) non-stop before a 45 minute long break. Tesla SEMI truck can recharge in 45 minute. = NO problems with electric trucks! And less service/ downtime! And max speed up hill. It cost 60% less to drive a electric truck /vs. / a diesel-truck!! =FACT! Battery will last 1,000,000 miles. Battery-price will drop 80% the next 10 years! ... "good luck" with your old SLOW pollution dieseltruck! 🙃 ⛽🛢️🔥🚛🚬☁️☁️☁️😷👎 Tesla SEMI truck have 3000hp!💪😎
The haulage industry does not give a flying duck about acceleration. It cares about how much cargo it can shift from A to B in the most cost effective manner. Only when the load capacity numbers are out, we can have a better picture. Musk's word is not sufficient to change the way the industry looks after itself.
This thing is a non-starter for OTR. Just the charge time alone does it. There are sometimes 3-4 truck waits for current fueling stations at 10-15min fuel stops every 1-1.5k miles, imagine how many chargers you're going to need when its 30mins per 300-350 miles. Truck stops are going to need to weigh how many chargers they need to invest in in order to service these trucks. Do you have an ocean of trucks waiting to charge at peak times or do you invest in a ton of chargers you don't use? GL with that.
You missed a lot. For example, how do you clean the mirrors and get ice off the screen? The cab design has been given thumbs down by every professional driver I've seen, it will only work for short/medium haul due to limited range and charging availability.
One problem with the thing that I can see is that for Europe that it is way to long, there is an overall length limit, this is the tractor unit and trailer combined. With the Tesla the length that it is, this severely limits the size of trailer than can be used with it and thus the capacity.
Why only one driver seat? How much weight is it allowed to transport? Will Tesla come with a European version? Is the curb weight of the semi also 27 000 lbs or more?
0:26 i do appreciate the two Variations of the Tesla Articulated Lorries, sitting in the middle makes it easier for those who are crossing the border to another country that drives on the opposite side of the road
Tesla is going to be dogfooding the Semi (using it to deliver their own cars to service centers) so they will be able to get feedback and adjust accordingly. According the the Tesla Semi website, they offer a 300 or 500 mile range versions. The 300 mile range would be sufficient for many since truck drivers are required a 30-minute break every 5 hours in California, but a 500-mile range version would be more flexible. I'm guessing this will appeal to fleet owners first since the initial cost might be harder to justify for solo truck owners. Since it isn't a sleeper cab, I wonder how this might impact couples that trade off driving duties.
It’s actually 8 hours before a 30 and you don’t have to be off duty. The fleets that this would be good for would be for day cab deliveries. IE grocery store chains. Couples don’t just drive sleepers. Plenty of otr solo drivers live out their trucks for weeks. Tesla won’t make those because they would need an even larger DOT exception because they would have even more weight.
By the time Tesla has saturated they day cab market I think we will see FSD displacing the need for sleepers. Maye not. LIke the cars Tesla will stick with what sell until it slows. Then introduce something new.
With how all of Musk's stamp of approvals have been delivered with less than half of what he promised originally, I doubt this will be as good as the current hype. Double the weight of current diesel, with around 1/4 of diesels range. I don't see how this is an improvement. Especially since the US still uses fossil fuels in it's power plants heavily. Maybe in other countries it'll be good, but here, we still need to change a lot.
They conspicuously do not mention cargo capacity or cost per ton, which is the thing that really matters. I suspect the cost will also be eye wateringly expensive.
Guessing much?
Looks like that may be the trick. They get a bigger range for the same (or maybe even slightly better) efficiency as competitors while having a larger battery, a more powerful drive train and the same legal and structural limits on total mass to abide by. The most realistic way to accomplish that is by carrying a lighter load, like the small number of concrete barriers on one of their demonstration video of a in their own words fully loaded truck, and then calculate the regular efficiency over the total weight, and leave out the numbers for efficiency over the weight of just the stuff you're transporting: the cargo. Not bad for all applications (styrofoam needs to be transported too, as a very extreme example, it just needs the space, not the carrying capacity), might even fill a bit of a gap in medium range transport. But that would make it fall way short of the promised revolution.
Bingo. That's the enormous elephant in the room. How much damn cargo does it carry?
@@rogerstarkey5390 Absolutely guessing as they provided no data. A short haul, lower capacity truck could still be useful in certainly applications, though. I am not dismissing it entirely. We just don't know because they didn't provide the useful information. Also there is the price question. Other Tesla products are essentially luxury items. Many haulers may no be able to afford a "luxury" truck.
@@rogerstarkey5390 fishing much? You are hard for some Tesla.
With Volvo or Scania I at least somewhat trust the numbers they publish. Most of Musk's promises and predictions have shown to be a little "optimistic" over the years.
Not when it comes to specs but yes timing is way off.
Ahhh yeah….he lies a lot lately 😮
Only thing I've found optimistic about Musk's promises and predictions have been timelines.. but they generally over deliver.
@@BjorckBengt what about hyperloop
He made bullshit claims about hes tunneling maschiens!
As a happy EV owner I should say that the max range of a vehicle is a red herring. You don’t DC fast charge to 100% chiefly because the last 20% is much slower and you don’t want to be down to under 20% unless you are super confident of your nearest charger. So a 500 mile range is really more like 300-350 miles in most cases. These chargers are not going to be everywhere. Also batteries degrade. My Model 3 lost about 10% of range in the first year (loss has slowed a lot since) so a one year old truck driving almost every day would definitely suffer some of that degredation. After say 5 years your 500 (usable under 400) mile range would probably be under 400 (usable under 300).
Not just that, dod and charging to high state of charge is a real issue with commerical.
You forget that they actually DROVE 500 miles fully loaded and still had 39(?) miles remaining?
Then there's the size of the pack compared to charging required.
IF it drives 500 miles or more every day.
And IF that's at full load,
Then it would need less than 30 minutes on a megacharger to outrange a driver (500 over 8 hours, then the driver maxes out at 3 more hours, 210 miles, 20 minutes charge.
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But if it's even slightly below max load, or less distance, or flatter terrain, that increases range, which reduces (high rate) charging during the day.
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Overnight charging?
Why not a lower voltage charger?
Just as a car charges at home, these could use a V3 at a car charge location over 4-5 hours.
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Let's not second guess the performance?
@@rogerstarkey5390"fully loaded" clearly isn’t really that loaded.
Range and freight capacity for a commercial application is where the money is at... those are the most important specs for a semi and the fact that they are silent about how much freight it will actually move is suspect...
Crazy people buy anything named tesla....
The 500 mile range test truck was only carrying about 6 tons of cargo less than a third of a normal semi's capacity
Everyone's taking these claims about the Semi as fact without any of it being proven. Other than Musk's word, there's nothing yet to back the Semi's performance or to prove that it can do what it was claimed to be able to do.
On the flip side, there's PLENTY of evidence of Musk overselling his products, making grandiose promises that never come to light, and straight up lying.
I don't get why people are jumping on this bandwagon so easily.
i wouldn't want to drive in any of these EV cars or trucks at all, i have seen when they spontaneously combust, it is freaking scary, because they immediately turn into a deathtrap that is very hard to escape and in most cases people could end up as molten rock because that's how how they burn as a chemical fire.
these better be driverless and on their own freaking road, i wouldn't want to trust driving next to them when they combust, or even park near them, as they have been found to combust even when parked and charging.
Elon explains it has to do with the batteries we are using, but he still uses these shitty batteries that cause this issue. he says we need a better battery which i agree with, but we are stuck with something like this and that is a bad deal all-around.
normal semi capacity holds 20 tons.
That's still less than half of what traditional Semi can carry, if not less.
based on the video of them hauling those blocks, a normal Semi can carry nearly 48k
Unsurprisingly Tesla is not disclosing any tech specs. They have two models, one with longer range, but they never seem to make it clear how much each is carrying or what battery is being used.
I believe in the video where it was passing the other Semi on the road it (Tesla) was probably carrying 10k
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i agree, it's just not a viable option with what Tesla has to offer.
let all the rich morons fund this shit, because most of these people are morons and don't know what is a good option, they just understand money and that's about it, no real world experience outside of money and how investments work.
Did they ever say how much weight it could haul, separate from the weight of the truck itself?
No, i wonder why that is?
Tell us something we don't know. What is the load capacity of the Semi?
26400 lbs me thinks on flat road × 500 miles
TESLA is 5 years late , but has been using Tesla semi to haul for SpaceX and Tesla , even hauling cars for Tesla customers. for 5 years , Tesla has all that data.
Tesla never hauled anything with the semi, they shot a short commercial. Tesla uses exclusively diesels for company operations this won't change.
@@paulbedichek5177 they’ve been using it for space x. People have been spotting them in the wild for years.
@@APatchworkCanvas I have a trucker friend who confimed seeing them in the wild.
Why do you pretend there wasn't a global pandemic shutting down entire supply chains?
5 years late?
No mention of load capacity , which is kinda important. Also, robotaxi😂😂
Out of the 40 tonne gross weight what is the payload?
Unfortunately most drag comes from the blunt tail and the front has a minor improvement.
Tesla car batteries weigh about 6 kg per kWh, so that 1000 kWh battery pack will weigh 6 tonnes. Add in the motors, chargers, etc and the total weight is likely close to 7 tonnes. The engine and fuel in a typical diesel truck weigh roughly 2 tonnes. Meaning the Tesla will have a cargo capacity 5 tonnes less, and assuming a 20 tonne cargo limit for the diesel that means the Tesla has 25% less cargo capacity.
Tesla offers a 300 mile version of the Semi, your video seems to infer that Tesla ONLY offers the 500 mile truck. And Tesla stated that their Semi’s KW/M was 1.7 and they saw a path to 1.6, so the Tesla battery size is around 850 KW at 1.7
Elon Musk even stated they could get to 1.5 kWh/mile
@@tonespeaks He lies.
@@paulbedichek5177 "He lies" is a strong statement..... you have something to back that up??? So far, there is no evidence to suggest that he is wrong.
@@tonespeaks Are you joking? He's being lying for more than a decade! He's the one that needs to prove the "claims"!
@@bruno_dias What claims would you like to know about??
I think you forgot a pretty important stat. How much cargo can it load or in other words how heavy is the tesla semi.
If you have double the battery size than your competitors, you should have less cargo capacity. One reason more to make a smaller battery version of the semi.
Elon has since tweeted that the TS effeciency is actually 1.7 kWh per mile and they think they can get it down to 1.5 over time.
...when? In 5 more years?
@@AudiTTQuattro2003 Does it matter? If it's 5 more years, great. If not, whatever - it's STILL far less than what you'd use with diesel.
@@AudiTTQuattro2003 no the ones being delivered to pepsi co will be 1.7. i.e. those already in production and those already produced
@@gazlives 3
More importantly: How much load capacity does it have. Range is one thing, but the battery is probably quite heavy (much heavier than a diesel engine + Fuel) and this will probably limit how much freight the Tesla truck can handle.
While any electric truck is a major engineering accomplishment, it seems Tesla didn't do anything that miraculous but instead used a much larger battery. The fact that Tesla hasn't confirmed a) the cargo capacity, and b) the price suggests both are bad compared to competitive options.
Well, if they had claimed anything, sceptics would still say it isn't true. This far, Tesla has over and over delivered on promises of performance. At some point it would be wise to give them the benefit of doubt.
I hear the cargo is anywhere from 35,000LB TO 20,000LB they haven't posted that spec. In their test video, they are moving a lot fewer dividers than an ICE rig.
Yes truck drivers needs break. It is also common that truck drivers work as two man team do non stop driving.
The BIG QUESTION is how much the truck actually weighs. Yah it can go 500 miles but HOW MUCH OF THAT 82K GVW is the weight of the truck??? If you can only haul 30K lbs then this isn’t going to function for the freight industry (unless you are hauling potato chips).
In city and short haul is good way less polution is good for my lungs and yours .. so electric is a good thing i think but has limitations like most things .. pros and cons .
@@macalister8881 If you need three trucks to do the job of one, its not going to help with pollution.
@@xe-wf5iv depends on how the electricity is produced and yes for in city could be a good thing but then again very little in our world makes much sense anymore so your probally correct , more for less is the norm today ..
Unless your buying goods then its less for more ugh my head hurts ..
Maybe usefull, Elon Musk replying a tweet:
- "Current efficiency is 1.7kWh/mile, but there is a clear path to 1.6, possibly 1.5"
7:52 AM · Dec 2, 2022
If there was any truth in his claim it would have been announced at the reveal as it’s such an amazing feat
The load weight seems uncomletitive with a diesel rig. Am I missing something?
What's the EMPTY WEIGHT of the truck?? If the truck weighs too much it won't be able to carry much payload as it's limited to 82,000 lbs (for electric semis) total here in the USA
ELON Tweeted - Tesla semi uses only 1.7kwh/ mile .
Basically a shittier version of a regular truck that could carry way less load, for way less range but way more expensive
I thought they said 1.7 kW hours per mile at the event not 1.9. Am i wrong?
As a truck drive and driven 12 tonne electric truck in 2006/8 Smith Electric UK for FEDEX who had it on trial to see if it was feasible.. It was amazing when it worked 0 to 20mphat a traffic light standing start was lightning up. To 40mph was OK, down hill with wind behind 60mph scary!! Up hill 5 mph flat out, the batteries where always over heating bla bla bla so just not commercially feasible but this Tesla is on another level.. Its the average speed that matter to all drivers.. There is no gear shifter anymore on diesel trucks, they are all automatic so that will be similar but the smoothness, the torque, the driving position, the comfort, the quietness its going to be mind bending.. But the tyres OMG they need to be something special.. All that torque via the tyres it will double the wear rate.. So my question if I had the chance to Musk, who's making the tyres and what's the cost and mileage..
Just need to start slowly...
@@Wirmish ...sure, no one will ever actually use all that torque because humans are such caring unemotional creatures who never try testing the limits of anything they touch.
@@AudiTTQuattro2003 Traction control. And management will definitely watching tyre wear.
People won’t use the torque because they don’t want the load exiting through the rear doors.
@@jeremypnet I can assure you they will.. The load will not end up out the back door.!! Sorry but that is a little bit of a silly comment. There are systems in place to make sure the load is securely strapped down.. Can you imagine the force /mass in an accident.. It would end up through the cabin.. Only a fool doesn't strap down thier load correctly.
No mention by Tesla as to the life of the battery, given the high cost of the battery compared to the cost of the Semi as a whole, it will not be cost effective to replace the battery when it starts to lose charge.
How difficult will it be to create a network of charging stations? Not every city has a 1MW power grid.
What is the net cargo capacity. The Tesla video seem to show about 6 tons of cargo (highway divider) so empty weight of the semi is 34 tons?
Tesla semi can go 1000 miles just add another giant battery but then we may be at the max load limit of 41 tons with no room for cargo. Just curious which trucking company is willing to pay top dollars for small cargo capacity?
Load capacity? The only important metric was left out.
Trucks are high mileage vehicles - 1m miles, unlike a car. If u want the battery to last u dont charge above 80% and u dont go below 20%. The Tesla video shows the battery at 4% when it gets to its 500 mile destination. If the semi uses up to ten car battery packs, the cost of the batteries will be around $150,000. A transport company will need to take great care with these batteries, considering the industry has a small 6% porfit margin.
How much does the tractor weigh with all those batteries? How does this reduce cargo capacity?
They aren’t.
That question wasn’t answered but it is really important.
@@robsengahay5614 Because the answer is embaracing.
@@GunSmoker Maybe, but it certainly won’t remain a secret, will it?
@@robsengahay5614 You can check some estimates here: ruclips.net/video/o3dCDNIRM34/видео.html
Tesla NACS is Dual rated for 500 v and 1000v , plugs are universal .
CT & semi may have Special plugs for 1000v charging.
I must be out of the loop. I didn't realize that Nikola was still a legitimate player in. the Semi EV space. Very good job on covering all of the specs that matter!
And also in addition to Nikola in the game, Hyzone and Freightliner. Toyota and Hyundai are trying to enter the US market.
They're not.....
I think Nikola actually beat Tesla to market with their TRE BEV. However fuel cell are coming out from them this year which is still their focus.
At 500 mile range this truck basically gives you 25% of the range and cargo capacity of a current Diesel truck. Cool tech, but for a freight company that just doesn't make sense.
During the original presentation they announced a 300 mile version and a 500 mile version. The 300 mile was orginally advertised at 150k and 180k for the 500 mile version.
Yes, Tesla will release the lower range version WHEN they have some charging infrastructure to charge them. Currently they do not. So, they are releasing the longer range so that the truck can make the return trip and recharge at their base warehouse. Once some of these large clients are done and Tesla has had a chance to add some mega-charging stations on routes the existing clients use, they could start delivering some shorter range versions while expanding the mega-charger network.
The second major point is: These first few large fleet clients will provide valuable testing so that Tesla can ensure that the semi is reliable for smaller owner/operators who can NOT afford for their rig to have down time. Nor can they afford to be stuck somewhere without a means to charge it.
I would bet a bunch of money in real world use, this is the 300 mile version...
IIRC the Tesla semi averaged 1.7 kWh/mile over the test trip. Bigger batteries allow not only for more power, more powerful regen braking and faster charging. While cruising, the required current is lower per unit of battery capacity, the C discharge rate is lower. This extends battery lifetime. On shorter trips, it would reduce the cycle counts and with it battery life.
exactly why having the bigger battery is a plus long term. You don't want to be pushing the limits of the battery every damn trip... that'll degrade the battery life much quicker.
@@scottmcelhiney323 Correct. The first gen Nissan Leaf is a classic example. Borderline small capacity to begin with combined with fast degradation due to high cycle count amplified by poor thermal management. Small batteries suffering from high discharge rates combined with high cycle count = degradation squared. For professional use one wants BIG.
Bigger batters also reduce how much cargo you can haul
@@josefj1776 but smaller battery at the same gross weight give you less range, less power, slower hill climb&decent, lower battery life, higher depreciation, no faster charging, less flexibility on tours without recharge. Often, the truck is not weight, but volume limited. I am sure, if the customers demand a smaller battery, they could get one. I am also sure few, if any customer will request this. If small is better, competition will sell more than Tesla. I doubt it.
Bigger batteries also cause less effeciency because of higher weight...
Has Tesla revealed cost/tonne freight which is the most important metric in trucking?
I'm annoyed by the secretive cargo weight as well. We know the gross is 81 but what is the tare. Viking thinks it's 17 while thunderf00t thinks it's close to 70, and this video completely ignores the cargo weight. I think thunder is closer which would make this half the cargo capacity of a diesel. I also think this is a ticking time bomb for fires, I guess we'll find out
@@pd8109 I agree with Thunderf00t even though he may be a bit pessimistic in his calcs
@@pd8109 i am pretty sure the max cargo weight is 26400 lbs from my calculations as they can have a total weight of 82,000 lbs .. time will tell i guess ..
P.s that was on flat roads with a new battery in good conditions as the variables are many .
I think in real world applications, they're probably going to cut actual usage to half of the rated use to leave room for error. Like some batteries having defects, drivers not charging them long enough, driver error, fleet usage and application, wait times at shipping facilities, etc. Companies will want to use these as much as possible so two drivers per truck makes good roi on equipment, is it possible eTrucks can keep up to the daily use. Many companies run their fleet 24/7/365 in all kinds of weather, traffic and all kinds of situations. What kind of tech support can a fleet expect when equipment is down. We know tesla's have a bad history of taking forever for repairs and customer support.
I love how the Semi is better than the competitors*, which trucks' specs are available, and, I assume, the trucks themselves are available (not sure about the Nicola one).
*according to unconfirmed claims, that only come from Tesla.
Over one week ago, my _back of napkin math_ shows SEMI to have 850 kWh battery pack with 1.7 kWh consumption per mile
Turning to CYBRTRK which shares 1000 V architecture and can charge at the Mega W SEMI V4 SUPER Chargers will have a 175 kWh pack with a useable 163.3 kWh pack, concluding a distance travelled per 1 kWh of 3.1 miles. Not bad.
Total range therefore is 507milrs or for the _Metric Heads_ like me ~810kms.
This shows a 175 kWh pack in the QUAD CYBRTRK, around one fifth of the SEMI, covers a similar range!
What's the cargo load?
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~3500 lbs QUAD CYBRTRK
Based on TRI at reveal 2019
@@ivankuljis1780 that's absolutely crap
@@manjsher3094
OK? Please do to enlighten! (Yoda speak? )
_Thinks me:_
'Obi-Wan Kenobi, The Jedi Returns'
Pepsi is a great place as a test bed for the semis for now. Their routes (short, intermediate, & LR) are pretty much the same day in and day out. The info on the price, real world performance, will eventually start filtering out. Can hardly wait.
Walmart is also a great place to test. But Walmart bought electric trucks and hydrogen trucks. It's more interesting.
Your forgetting Pepsi can haul their lightass potatochips since the cargo can’t be as heavy as traditional trucks,..but it should be alarming that PepsiCo is still their only “brag/news” in those years
@@AnthraxxxxxI don't know how many semis are ordered and how many they have received. I am a retiree from Pepsi and one thing about hauling beverages, each pallet of pop weighs approx 2000 lbs. The cases of pop are stacked so they are locked and then shrink wrapped. Where I worked, the trailers were loaded 2 abreast, one single, 2 abreast and so on. 53' trailers. I didn't work that dept but speaking with the drivers, it was extremely important to drive as smooth as possible. No hard accelerations, no sudden stops, no quick lane changes. Even though the pallets were shrink wrapped, it didn't take much to topple one over. Now, hauling potato chips is different. It would be interesting to know what their first semi is slotted for.
@@sergeypavlov7249
Walmart made a mistake.
@@Anthraxxxxx
I don't know how you formed your opinion, but
I'll say again.
Watch, or listen to the Tesla Q4 earnings call.
Zachary Kirkhorn (Tesla CFO, not known to "overstate"?) Actually DID state "500 miles with *NO compromise to LOAD capacity* "
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Then Elon musk immediately confirmed the same.
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Yet "some" still insist on suggesting that's not the case, or not possible, based on....?
Rumor?
Speculation?
Guessing?
A hypothesis that "it's never been done before, so how can Tesla do it now?"....?
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Remember the phrase "don't believe what you read in the papers"?
Same applies to the internet.
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Duh?
They will be offering a 300 mile variant soon as well as the 500 mile version.
You would think he knew that before posting the video.
@@jogibajr seems he did no more than quickly look at the semi event. he's speculating on things that have already been confirmed; 300 mile range version and 1.7kwh in the current production vehicles.
pretty pathetic channel this one.
Funny how they missed this vital and well know public information.
"SOON"
@@y0g_s0th0th ‘Soon’ in Tesla speak is two years. Maybe.
WHAT IS THE PAYLOAD?
How much cargo?
Your making an assumption here. One of Tesla’s great strengths is quickly improving the engineering and architecture of their vehicles. With all of the first semi’s going to be used internally and at Pepsi, I expect many improvements, especially in battery technology, to be made before large numbers of these vehicles are manufactured for other companies.
About that, what about all the other companies who have made orders?
Quickly improving the engineering? Since when has Tesla ever done anything quick related to engineering?
Tesla are actually very bad at improving their engineering. They’ve only managed to produce five new models and one facelift in twenty years.
Very quick, FSD quick …. Wasn’t it supposed to be at level 5 by 2015? Still at level 2.
Tesla has little to do with the battery technology. Most Tesla batteries were developed by Panasonic.
Ah yes i too love reducing my battery‘s life time by charging way too quickly.
Tesla DOES offer a 300 mile semi. The purpose of the delivery event to highlight the accomplishment of delivery a long range semi that everyone said was impossible.
How much will a battery weighing 11,000 pounds cost? How difficult will it be to create a network of charging stations? Not every city has a 1MW power grid. But we can also make a battery train. Ten wagons and two are batteries. Will it be cost effective?
The reason the truck will possibly only come in the 500 mile variant is charging time.
If you get a 250 mile variant, your charge time might be a few hours to 100%.
The 500 mile version will charge to 70% in 30 minutes, which allows you shorter range usage while benefiting from, for electric, lightning fast charge time.
There should be mention made of the fact the Tesla semi is so much more quiet than standard diesel semis. Especially around urban areas, this is a huge deal for city dwellers as their quality of life will be greatly improved not only by the lack of diesel fumes but by a much reduced engine roar background din.
Yes, urban areas, short distances, that is where BEV trucks can be really useful. And Volvo knows that. That is why they have several models, here in Europe you have six to chose from. Proven tech, proven company, good working environment for the driver. It works. Are on the market since a couple of years. Thousands of them are on the road doing normal work. And if you need heavier then Scania is the world leader with their 64, 74 and 80 tonne BEV trucks.
What about put that semi on a scale before leaving? that boxes might be totally empty
TESLA semi is the ONLY Class 8 500+ mile BEV semi w/ 3 PLAID motors that hauls 82k Gross .
its also Worlds FASTEST semi in PRODUCTION 0 - 60 < 10 seconds (unloaded) uphill.
Wrong again Mark Plott. The Nikola TRE FCEV has a range over 500 miles and faster charging time.
@@danieldeblasio9368 - TRE bev is a PALTRY 300 miles , and is NOT made by NIKOLA.
@@danieldeblasio9368 - TRE fcev runs on H2 made with FOSSIL FUELS, and not made by NIKOLA.
Only Tesla seems to care about the 0-60 stats. Rather than talk about what people don't care about, why don't they talk about price, weight, and the stats that shipping companies and drivers do care about?
I doubt there are many haulage companies interested in the 0-60 number.
Not that musk would ever lie but I'll wait for an independent review before believing anything he says.
More expensive? It's about 1/2 the cost of the competition with double the range and power.
Lol it’s clearly not. God the Elon Stans are so dumb.
@@feelinggrape How so? What is so "clearly not" when they have clearly demonstrated a $180K electric semi that can go over 500 miles on a charge with almost max payload?
Why don't you mention payload even once in your video?
Is the load capacity in of Tesla Semi higher than Volvo?
I don’t know about the US but in the U.K. I work at a large warehouse for the largest supermarket. We’re part of a hub of warehouses interconnected all within 100-200 miles, we also have renewable energy and all electric ppts already..this is perfect for about 80% of logistics applications
Good point. Even if just 20% of these medium to short haulers want to buy, Tesla would be overwhelmed by both limitations in ramp rate & 🔋. So trying to be the max load, max range on initial release doesn't make sense.
The electric ppts need an upgrade for fast charging but otherwise you're right
No,other BEV semis would be perfect, but the Tesla 500 mile the only one now produced would be carrying useless tons of batteries.
The UK is about 94000 sq miles, Texas alone is almost three times that. Whole other scale and where did you get that 80% from?
@@tatata1543 she's clearly just talking about the UK?
Yesterday morning Elon confirmed a 1.7kWh/mi efficiency. Not sure why it wasn’t mentioned :p
It's probably because it's a lie that will never come to market much like "self driving" lol
@@mazx19 See also robotaxi.
@shaktar oh yeah hahaha 😆
@@mazx19 Remind me in 1 year for Semi and 4 years for "self driving" lol
@JFunK we were told in 2013 it would be here in 2017 lol where is it????
Going downhill with a 80,000 lbs load seems like 3 little motors could burn up real fast trying to slow it down.
Holy cow. I just watched the large Marge clip the other day after ~30 years. That freaked me out as a kid.
Hahahha. Me and my sis too. Terrifying. And hilarious.
The NACS will be used for the semi. Earlier chargers were abandoned.
there is a scenario where shipping containers at very busy marine port terminals are hauled inland to intermediate container yards. The truck used for that purpose really needs to be electric so as to reduce polution in the urban area it operates in. Tesla should offer a version of the semi that is specifically speced and priced to that specific use case
Make sure to remind tesla to protect against salt in the moisture
Now they can...
Tesla announced a 300 mile, cheaper variant along with the 500 mile one during the initial event, so they've got dockwork covered.
will never happen. there is a problem here and it is called weight. a shipping container will be loaded to maximum density as to what the weight it can hold, when a piggy back frame being towed by a tesla truck shows up to take a container away the whole gross loaded container plus truck will be illegal.
Volvo already have solutions, and Scania. Why not use it?
I'll be amazed if I see one of these things on Highland roads running and not broken down due to running out of power.
battery costs some $100 per kWh, so those extra 300 kWh cost an extra $30k. This is mostly insignificant for such a semi given it also allows them to lose 25% capacity over a couple of years of intensive use and still retain as much capacity as the competition offers new. Nobody buys such a semi and let is sit on the lot. They roll. And added capacity allows them to roll more often and be more flexible with their charging strategy.
Industry estimates are that Tesla is down under $85 a Kwh. Might have gone up a bit with inflation recently... but that was the estimate due to their battery design and production costs with vertical integration. With the 4680 cell production still being worked out and brought up to scale... they may cost significantly more as they build out the infrastructure to build them in quantity... but they have the tech and experience doing stuff like this, so once they have production fine tuned they can duplicate it easily inhouse.
@@scottmcelhiney323 That is what the projections suggest. I was conservative and wanted to keep the numbers simple :-) It also won’t change the argument, even amplifies it.
How much does that battery pack weigh? What is max weight for a truck on the road??? That truck in the video was fully loaded? It was carrying like 10 concrete barriers, that is fully loaded????
Why did my comments get taken down? And, seems to me, that a number of other comments have gone missing.
I can smell anti-Tesla bias through the screen, a lot of your maybes are easily found infos if you do proper research.
What is the payload capacity. Can't find that anywhere. Not the gross weight but payload capacity? This is the most important factor for any tractor pulling over 250 miles.
I believe the high charging capability for the Semi is actually due to it using 4 separate battery packs, so the charging unit (8 slots) will charge each separately which allows for the high right of charge without damaging the battery.
Sorry, but there is no way you can get a 1Mw charging capability into the Cybertruck. its not able getting power through the lines, That's the easy part. Its about the battery getting that level of current sent through it.
The problem with this video is "Tesla claims" frequently used in analysis. Really not the best thing for a company that consistently falls short of its claims.
Everything a haulage company wants from a truck, the Tesla Semi lacks.. The figures don't add up, they never did
Thunder foot does a good breakdown. Notice they talk about 0-60, range, etc. but not hauling capacity. That’s because half of their hauling capacity is used for the battery. It’s a red herring. Also, Tesla doesn’t build their batteries. They buy them from CATL and Panasonic.
Tesla trucks will be good in city and short haul
Why isn't anybody mentioning that the batteries are in the trailer? This makes perfect sense. You can charge the trailer at the loading station and it can be configured to the distance you want to pull it.
Because the batteries aren't in the trailer.
1) Trailers often aren’t owned by the company moving it around.
2) There’s no improvement
3) There are many more trailers than tractor units
Where did you ever get the idea that the batteries were in the trailer?
That's a stupid statement
I want to see the delivered trucks... Where are they?
saw Frito lays using one in a christmas parade.
The transmission may not be somewhat underkill..
From my experience
The transmission protects the motors and allows for hugr torq capabilities to climb hills.
Starting from still on a hill? I hope the transmission will get a low low gear.
There isn't a transmission.... torque is instant you touch the accelerator.
The dual-motor axle has a different gearing than the one-motor axle for that reason.
Servo motors are all tourque and power they dont compare to engine and transmission set up
This is also SIX wheel drive on 3 independent axles. That's great traction in slippery conditions. 1000volt architecture would contribute to efficiency. Running one single motor at optimal loading on level ground cruising further contributes to efficiency. On hill descent, 3 motors would mean a lot of regenerative braking power. I estimated 1200hp, or roughly 3x model 3 performance motors with carbon sleeves (285kw) each.
I would call it a 6x4 (six by for - six wheel vehicle powered by four wheels). It is 3 motor and they are all on the drivers.
I wonder though, how much more tire wear the regenerative braking will cause. More of the stopping power will be limited to fewer wheels if the trailer air brakes aren't being applied as much, which will add significant wear.
@@haddow777 Good question. I am not a trucker but see no reason to use the trailer brakes differently than one does with an ICE tractor.
that can be done by hybrids in development by volvo, freightliner, and kenworth. u fayel it
Load capacity?
More voltage equals lower amps and smaller wires. less weight and less heat.
It was not clear how many semis got delivered this time ?
Small numbers while it is being built on the prototype line. I have seen 20K for 50K when the ramp up giga Texas.
2 with 40 more (?) by end of year
No one said an 81,000 load. He said an 81,000lb rig. Which shows why the Tesla semi will fail. The unit is at maximum gross weight with a load of only 5-6 tonnes, about 1/4 2hat a ICE rig can tow.
you missed the memo about the new plug design that looks just like the current car plug, but will take 1000V at 900A (has bigger insulation)
I can tell you didn't watch the semi reveal event. The Tesla Semi does come as a 300 mile version. The Tesla mega charger uses the version 4 supercharger cable not the charging port. The Tesla semi will use the standard ccs charging port.
A smaller battery does not charge faster, if the charger is capable enough for the large battery.
Batteries have a healthy maximum charging speed. charge faster and the batteries ages faster.
A larger batterie can take in more power at the same time than a smaller batterie since the incoming power is distributed to the individual cells. In both batteries the individual cells receive the same power so the charging time for both battery packs is the same.
It's interesting they didn't test it in any other state, the 500 miles of range at max load is doable in California where speed limits are 55 for semi's, but how well would it do in other states where the semi's can go 60 to 70 mph
How does it perform in subzero temps also?
@@necoates77 alot of evs loe a lot of range in the cold unless they have some battery warmer so it can be used all year round but that would probably drain it and reduce mileage too
@@jmaddy3 it should have 5 air induction tunnles that spin 5 high tech turbine,s to generate more power to run such things , if you think about the impact ( force )of air used instead of just resistance and the amount of force lost makes no sense to me .. would cost an extra $10,000 but i think it would work and no i am not high , maybe stupud . But motion x force = energy maybe enough to regen some of the battery , heat , lights ect ...
Great summary, and thanks for the efficiency/range graph at 3:24!
That Tesla semi sounds more and more like a Theranos blood testing device!
To charge a 950kwh battery to 70% capacity in 30 minutes will require a 1.33 megawatt charger and that is not taking into account inefficiencies. One megawatt simply can't do the job. And presuming that this is indeed a one thousand volt system, that is a staggering 1330 amperes that the charger is supplying the truck via the charging cable. To put that in perspective a typical US household power circuit is 15-20 amperes and uses 12 gauge (2.5 mm) wire. That means you are going to need one heck of a cable, liquid cooled or not to connect the semi to the charger. I'll let someone else do the math on that, the online calculator that I was using doesn't compute those numbers!
And by the way, one megawatt hour is enough energy to supply 800 average US houses for one hour.
Sorry guys, math doesn't lie. People, however, do. Good luck fast charging your new semi.
I don’t see how multiple semis will get charged in a reasonable amount of time at a typical warehouse / loading dock or even charging station. Yes this apparently can be done for a limited number but widespread use? I don’t see how. Any serious trucking company is not going to want to wait hours for their rigs to charge , time is money, and who will be willing to invest in the charging infrastructure that would be needed for multiple rigs at a warehouse or cross dock?
What does that extra, super, ultra battery charging speed every day do to battery health?
Love to see if this thing could handle the Vancouver to Kamloops run in all 4 seasons hauling full capacity. (hint... highway through hell) and what happens during winter if it gets side lined for 2 days during road closures? can this thing use tire chains with out smashing the drive line to pieces? How well will it conserve battery life doing at peak climb 8% for a solid 5 miles? How does a tow truck hook up to this thing to pull it out of a snow bank? Chrome wont get you home boys.
I see this thing as a fare weather truck at best. stay on flat roads and baby it to your destination.
I wonder how much bigger the fire will be on this one than it is on the cars? It's about two hours to put out an electric car that's on fire, how long for the truck?
Smaller battery pack is currently irrelevant at this time Mike. Don't get ahead of yourself with speculation at a launch! (You apparently never hear of supply and demand!) When you are at a 100+ unit a year capacity at Giga Nevada you ... " just pump it up ". Austin or ?????????????? is the future for the real SEMI line to take on the real demand market share!
IEEE & ASME must reign in plug design "innovations" to assure long term interoperability.
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Also, digital currencies, also known as cryptocurrencies are in the tank and rife with scams such as pump and dump schemes that rely on less knowledgeable investors putting money in, which inflates the value, and then the scammers cash out, deflating the value and walking away with the investors money.
Cryptic currencies are little more than shared bank accounts. As people put money in, the value goes up. If one person gets into a currency while the value is low and they buy most of the coins, and 99 people come in and buy fractions of the remaining coin, the value of the first person's 99 coins rises. The value of all 100 coins is the value of all the money put in, but the first person now has the ability to withdraw 99% of the value by cashing out their coins. Thus, 99 people will be left with 1% of the total value of what was put in, despite their putting in hundreds of times the money of the initial person.
It's all a scam to reassign value and ownership. Those who enter the system late are typically always going to lose.
On top of that, if a recession is coming, the economy will shrink and companies will also shrink typically. Investing in the market before a downturn will only lose you money because you will be buying high and the value will drop.
Anyone telling you to buy stock before a downturn is likely wanting people to inflate the price of the stock when what they are actually doing is selling the same stocks short. That's a bet that the stock will drop. They actually get paid money if it drops, and they get more money the more the stock drops.
So, in fact, they are wanting investors to put their money into the system, knowing those investors will likely lose most of it, so the price gets inflated higher before it goes down. That way they'll make even more by selling it short.
@@haddow777 This is nothing, I've seen a chain of dozens of bot replies on a similar comment. You would think someone who made these bots will know better than to shill cryptocurrecies in the wake of the FTX collapse, but nope...
Tesla semi trucks are great for pepsi and all the other short haul companies out there, but I drive OTR and 500 miles is a short day. I normally average 600 to 700 miles a day and only fuel every other day. Having to fuel up everyday for 30 mins or even twice a day would be a problem. Not to mention the only places these truck can currently fuel is in private lots, this is geat tech, but not for most of the trucking industry. What happens if these trucks get stuck on a closed, snowy road for 3 days, or a bridge or road they normally go on is closed and they have to go 2 hundred miles out of route? To some extent these are a geart idea, but I think we are putting the cart before the horse so to say. The infastruture of the electrical grid can't handle 200,000 semis trying to charge every day, I mean Calli and Texas already have problems in the summer with electric cars charging.
My opinion is Musk should be trying to fix the electical grid, the electrical capasity in the US, and then try to sell electric semi trucks. Not to mention did anyone else notice they did the test at 81,000lbs, that is 1k over gross in most states, unless they got a waver to be heavier as an EV. They also did not mention as to how heavy the Batts are, If a normal semi truck with trailer weighs somewhere around 34K, that means they can haul a max of 46K of freight. If the Tesla truck and trailer weight more than 34K, then EV trucks would either have to travel under new rules on the road or carry less weight. Carrying less weight means higher consumer prices, as it would take more trucks to haul the same amount of freight.
And there is another probelm too, and it is not going to be easy to fix, the infastructure may be easy to fix in large cities. However trucks deliver freight to many places around the county where even electric cars are only a pipe dream as some of those places don't even have great cell phone service. You think they are going to pay to have megabit charging stations, and how long would it take to charge a simi without the megabit charging station? I really love how they talk about all the great things, but we have to deal with the not so great parts. I want to know how long it will take to charge an EV semi without megabit conections. I bet it is hours or even days, being there are EV cars that take 5 to 6 hrs with low voltage chargers.
Like I said these trucks are cool, but without better battery inventions and longer millage range with less weight, these are only going to ever be short haul trucks. To make a viable OTR truck it would need to have a range of around 2000 to 3000 miles per charge, charge just as fast if not faster, and be lighter or with new laws passed to accomidate the heavy batteries. Also there would have to be a 500k to 750k millage warrenty on the bateries. Not to mention the infustructure updates, being your average truck can fuel in about 7 to 10 mins. 30 mins would mean you would need 3 times to number of parking spots and every spot have these megawatt chargers on them. Also remember parking is alrady a huge problem in the country that has yet to be solved.
I won't way this will not happen in my lifetime, but it is going to take and enormous effort from the Federal government all the way down the the local governments to pull this off in the next 30+ years.
Most truck drivers don't even drive a 100 miles a day. Stop looking in the mirror.
Electric Semi trucks already are allowed 2K lbs more GVW than diesels. So the GVW can be 82K rather than the 80K of a diesel.
The FUD over the grid is all but dead and buried. The short of it is that it grows every year. With EV cars and trucks it grows faster. Search for "engineering explained grid". Musk is fixing the grid. It get better with every grid scale battery and power wall sold. AU is way ahead of the US On that one.
"And there is another probelm too, and it is not going to be easy to fix, " Your a trucker. Independant truckers will tell you the hell it is to get a truck fixed on the road. Most problems on a Tesla semi short of a battery replacement is going to be far easier to fix than a class 8 diesel. You have 3 motors and can carry one of them around like a football or watermelon. The rest is mostly PCB replacement. Send the kids to tech school. Dump them in a van and put them on the road. Would be far better service than most are getting with their diesels.
In the end the truck that makes the most money is the truck that will sell. Instead of asking the electric truck to look like an ICE think about what it would take to build an ICE truck that can compete with the strong points of the electric truck. That would be 30+ years away. Maybe never. The Tesla Semi has arrived.
No truckdriver can legal drive more than 4,5 hours (300 miles) non-stop before a 45 minute long break.
Tesla SEMI truck can recharge in 45 minute. =
NO problems with electric trucks! And less service/ downtime!
And max speed up hill.
It cost 60% less to drive a electric truck /vs. / a diesel-truck!! =FACT!
Battery will last 1,000,000 miles.
Battery-price will drop 80% the next 10 years!
... "good luck" with your old SLOW pollution dieseltruck! 🙃
⛽🛢️🔥🚛🚬☁️☁️☁️😷👎
Tesla SEMI truck have 3000hp!💪😎
Aren’t you required by law to take rest breaks?
@mikethecargeek2710 do you have the raw data or sources used to generate plot shown at 3:26 ?
The haulage industry does not give a flying duck about acceleration. It cares about how much cargo it can shift from A to B in the most cost effective manner. Only when the load capacity numbers are out, we can have a better picture. Musk's word is not sufficient to change the way the industry looks after itself.
No diff on the efficiency axle?
Electronic diff
Luckily musk man has an impeccable record for truthful statements
No official specifications even after 5 years 🤔
Please provide your best 5 examples of him lying
This thing is a non-starter for OTR. Just the charge time alone does it. There are sometimes 3-4 truck waits for current fueling stations at 10-15min fuel stops every 1-1.5k miles, imagine how many chargers you're going to need when its 30mins per 300-350 miles. Truck stops are going to need to weigh how many chargers they need to invest in in order to service these trucks. Do you have an ocean of trucks waiting to charge at peak times or do you invest in a ton of chargers you don't use? GL with that.
You missed a lot. For example, how do you clean the mirrors and get ice off the screen? The cab design has been given thumbs down by every professional driver I've seen, it will only work for short/medium haul due to limited range and charging availability.
One problem with the thing that I can see is that for Europe that it is way to long, there is an overall length limit, this is the tractor unit and trailer combined. With the Tesla the length that it is, this severely limits the size of trailer than can be used with it and thus the capacity.
Why only one driver seat? How much weight is it allowed to transport? Will Tesla come with a European version? Is the curb weight of the semi also 27 000 lbs or more?
Hey lots of room so taking a dump is no problem , a good thing when eating the food they eat sometimes .. right ..
0:26 i do appreciate the two Variations of the Tesla Articulated Lorries, sitting in the middle makes it easier for those who are crossing the border to another country that drives on the opposite side of the road
This is a repeat of the delivery event, no analysis at all.
...in fairness, no numbers were given at the event, so you have to guess.
Seems like you don't know Tesla IS going to have a 300 mile range semi, it was announced in 2017!
did you do any research on this truck before making this video
Tesla is going to be dogfooding the Semi (using it to deliver their own cars to service centers) so they will be able to get feedback and adjust accordingly. According the the Tesla Semi website, they offer a 300 or 500 mile range versions. The 300 mile range would be sufficient for many since truck drivers are required a 30-minute break every 5 hours in California, but a 500-mile range version would be more flexible. I'm guessing this will appeal to fleet owners first since the initial cost might be harder to justify for solo truck owners. Since it isn't a sleeper cab, I wonder how this might impact couples that trade off driving duties.
It’s actually 8 hours before a 30 and you don’t have to be off duty.
The fleets that this would be good for would be for day cab deliveries. IE grocery store chains.
Couples don’t just drive sleepers. Plenty of otr solo drivers live out their trucks for weeks. Tesla won’t make those because they would need an even larger DOT exception because they would have even more weight.
By the time Tesla has saturated they day cab market I think we will see FSD displacing the need for sleepers. Maye not. LIke the cars Tesla will stick with what sell until it slows. Then introduce something new.
With how all of Musk's stamp of approvals have been delivered with less than half of what he promised originally, I doubt this will be as good as the current hype.
Double the weight of current diesel, with around 1/4 of diesels range. I don't see how this is an improvement. Especially since the US still uses fossil fuels in it's power plants heavily. Maybe in other countries it'll be good, but here, we still need to change a lot.