It’s all the way down to high school wrestling.. like 15-17 year old kids starving themselves and running around with trash bags in Florida heat and humidity just to make weight
I think the current gloves are just fine. Bare knuckle would certainly bring changes but i don’t know if the benefits outway the loses. One part people rarely talk about is cuts to the hands could end a fight way too easy imo
The biggest problem is the current rules are not enforced: when was the last time someone was deducted a point for an eye poke, fence grab or striking after the bell?
All that stuff happens way to often as well. They really need to start deducting a point right away, and the amount of times those things would happen would be cut down significantly.
That is correct and that is the problem. The ref is required to put himself in physical danger to end a round, which is unreasonable. What should happen is when the ref gets the 10 second clapper, he should shout '10 seconds left' to the fighters, who know they will shortly be expected to stop offensive action. And if they don't, they need to take the consequences of that.
Anticipating the bell and "waiting" for it to go off, is gonna put you in a far more vulnerable situation which could lead to getting clipped or submitted, putting that responsibility on the fighter, in my opinion, would be unsafe and unreasonable for them.
But that's what he's getting at. People think gloves are there to protect the face, and that's why they insist on the UFC using gloves. Whereas without the gloves, fighters would have to be more careful so as not to injure their hands, and cause less damage to their opponent because of it.
Exactly his point. With gloves, fighters swing harder and more recklessly. Leading to more brain damage. Bare knuckle would lead to the fights being more realistic, and once the fighters adjusted, they would sustain less damage. At first though, broken hands would be prevalent
@@MrSlyBadger Have you seen traveler bare knuckle fights? They don't seem to be careful about their hands lol unless they are broken and they just carry on.
Wrapping literally protects the hand from breakage, its purpose is to compress/support the meta's etc so instead of the force being transferred through one that can move it's transferred through them all as a solid unit making them a lot harder to break.
Best compromise is to have gloves but no hand wraps allowed. As for Judges, they should be tested by having them watch a bunch of past obscure fights and mock scoring those fights. If they have no clue how to score those fights or come up with some crazy result, they don't get a Judging license.
@@jarad590 Very ignorant of you. I throw punches with the power of a heavyweight pro boxer, and I hit the heavy bag bare handed or with gloves with no wraps.
I really don’t like weight cutting but it makes sense cus a lot of the lower division fighters walk around at light hw or even hw but implement a weight cut so there’s 85% of the fighters in the ufc in heavyweight divisions
I’ve trained MMA and BJJ for nearly 10 years. I got into my first street fight in my adult life a couple of years ago. Dude swung a haymaker and clipped me in the eye. I sidestepped and hit him with a jab, cross combo and he hit the floor. I only tell that story to say that the right cross I threw nearly broke my hand. It swelled up and I could barely open it for a week. So yes.....I would be more selective with my punches in a bare knuckle fight.
It’s too bad too, because open hands can be devastating (Bas Rutten for example). It isn’t all about slapping. I’d love to see the gloves go as an experiment, to see how the fighters and overall game would adjust.
I like rogan but this no gloves idea is BS , people will break there hands during the fight all the time and fighters will be hesitant to swing hard, I want to see people be able to strike at 100% , it’s not a street fight it’s a sport with many rules,
This'll fix shit. 12-6 elbows allowed Weigh in on fight day to prevent extreme weight cuts. 10 point system scrapped for pride rules. The guy doing more damage and intention to win and finish the fight wins.
The only issue is that they'll never do day of weight cuts. The purpose of doing them early at the pro level is to give time for those last couple lbs to get off if they're over and to get an alternate fighter if it's deemed unlikely they can make weight with extra time. The only alternative to this would be having an alternate or two waiting in the wings in the event they don't make weight, meaning more intensive and specialized fight training for those guys too, meaning they will demand (and rightfully so) more money just for sitting on the back burner to maybe fight. Dana is a greedy fucker so he'd never implement anything that could cost him more money just to fix something broken like the weigh in system they use.
Give some stats like others sports at every round pause: amount of strikes attempt, reaching, jab or cross, left or right, numbers of combos, pivots, skips... time spent defending, attacking, on the ground, running away...how much full guard, half guard, which chokes or locks and how often and how successful etcetera etcetera
Problem is people say they should be paid more like real athletes but then also want them to go bare knuckle with no rules, its either professional or not but can't have it both ways.
@@markwild9224 but that's the point. There are fighters who have 66kg at weigh in and 5-6+kg when they fight. What they do is cut weight drastically for weigh in and in 24 hours they are bigger than they were at weigh in. Only a madman would cut for a fight that is in 3 hours.
@@markwild9224 if fighter has 75 kg when he isn't in preparations for the fight and cuts weight for 66kg weight class, just So he can have 73kg at the fight that is kinda cheating. Why not simply fight in bigger category? If weigh in was 3 hours before the fight, no way would he go for that 66kg class
There was a fight. I think it was a fight with dan severn. You weren't allowed closed fist strikes. So they only used their palms. It was a horrible fight
There is a great reason not to have judges who really understand the sport. If the fights were scored fairly, the rankings would have to matter. Then Uncle Dana couldn't just make fights based on projected PPV buys...
I think people are underestimating how much removing gloves from MMA would affect the sport in general. Like I agree it would be more realistic but people would break their hands way more and there would be a lot more doctor’s stoppages, and because of that fighters would have to take way longer to recover after fights. More than that though, I don’t think people realise how much of an advantage grapplers would have with gloves being taken away, I’ve done jiu jitsu in MMA gloves a few times and it’s waaaay harder than grappling with bare hands, wrestlers and BJJ specialists especially would be given such a massive advantage over strikers, particularly boxers (obviously). If anything the unique design of the gloves helps to even out the sport.
*I never agreed with Joe on this.* I think removing even more techniques that cut would help. *I hate seeing fights end because of a cut.* Especially when both fighters are still good to go and the fight is going great! Also removing hand wraps won't change styles, just increase injuries to fighters and shorten careers.
Bas Ruten DID CHANGE styles and refused to punch. He almost always hit open hand even when the rules allowed knuckles. Thing is, let's say Joe is right and fighters begin doing that. Is that really something you want to see? Open hand hitting in MMA? It's like watching two guys slap each other. I just don't find it as entertaining and seeing someone make a fist and smash someone with it.
t c no because then you would simply go for a takedown and stomp on them and fights would be short as fuck. And if that was sarcasm boi this is the internet
t c that’s fine until you get slammed and booted in the jaw. Or when your unconscious from a knockout punch and the guy stamps on your head twice before the ref stops it.
Champ division survivor test: 1 fighter for 5 rounds with 5 different opponents. Or 10 one minute rounds with 10 opponents. Get a special badass belt title and cash reward for this. Call it the Spartan, Bayard or Musashi event.
As an amutuer kickboxer/mma fighter, I'd like a few things changed. (Pertaining to professional mma.) 12-6 elbows totally legal. Excessive eye pokes should lose a round. 2 grappling, 2 wrestling, 2 kickboxing and 2 mma judges should judge a fight. And no mercy if your hands are on the mat.
What about takedowns where the receiver slips during, that doesnt mean the attacker isnt getting the best out of him and gets a free round. Plus that would make MMA a submission/ground sport
There's a career choice that you don't hear being talked about in fighting circles: JUDGES! I wonder, what are the qualifications to judge a fight and how much does it pay? Depending on the answer it sounds like a pretty sweet deal!
YT Koby Newman nah referees are very biased, look at herb dean when Mcgregor was cheating on his face all night and he didn’t take him a point or warn him
@@GlaciateCoD but that can be the same problem with the refs. In my opinion it should be the nine ref thing, but they shouldn't know who there judging until the fight happens. Also they need to be more strict of the refs.
Its not just gloves. Why not fight in jeans, t-shirt and running shoes? Who walks around in speedos? Also, why do they fight on soft floor? Right now, probably 99% of humans are standing on hard floor in their houses, or walk around on concrete curb or some other surface. Its a sport, its never going to replicate a real fight, that being said, I'd like to see a fight between unnarmed Brock Lesnar and Jon Jones vs a jaguar.
watch the charles bennett bareknuckle fight where he lost because he broke his hand. its so brutal seeing a fighter like him wince in pain after destroying one of his most efficient tools
Bare knuckle fights could mean palm strikes a gogo but also modern hand conditioning back in the training... Shaolin stuff, hypnosis, amulets or even DNA/ARN engineering... Or maybe will make people keep their fists for soft surfaces and accurate shots, and more use elbows for wide global impact... This could also make people using fingers or tiger palms or shuto...which would put a lot of severe damage and injuries... As Joe said, hand is for piano OR eye gouging, ear removing and little bones breaking...
12-6 should stay banned the ball of your elbow fits perfectly in the eye socket and you could rupture or burst someone’s eyeball and permanently blind them
You really cant punch the same without gloves on just ask Mike Tyson.. he hit Mitch Green so hard in a street fight that he broke his right hand in 1988
I've said for years that if you must use a point system for scoring, just do a 1 point system. Win the round or don't. Might lead to more draws, but if it's a draw then its a draw. But most scores on the 10 point system are almost always 10-9 anyway. Well a single 10-8 can really lead to an unfair score and I've never seen a 10-6 or lower. So with a 1 point system it takes some of that bad judging out of the picture because it's less about a total score and more about who just won more rounds. Each judge scores 1 point to the winner of each round, highest score per round awards the round, most rounds wins the fight. Just an idea
That's a crappy system too. What if u barely win 6 rounds and I demolish you 4 rounds. I may have done much more damage but you would still ein. A 1-10 score would work better
@@habibbialikafe339 There are so few situations where a 10 point system is in any way relevant to the actual overall performance. I agree wholeheartedly with your assertion that it should be clearer than a 1-and-done but it really should be boiled down to something along the lines of 3 points. We really don't need more than 3 individual points to determine knockdowns, trips, clear dominant exchanges, more strikes landed etc. Has there ever been a score card *Ever* that was scored 10-6? And at that point does it matter? I don't think so. It should probably just be 3-3, 3-2, or 3-1. Or perhaps the infamous 3-0 where there is no judge on Earth who could think the fight wasn't dominated by a certain competitor that round.
Yeah i agree with that one, professional fighters should be judge. There are a lot of retired or close to retirement fighters in ufc alone so that is a great point guys. 12-6 Is dangerous elbow if landed on back of the fighter can hurt the spine-neck also if landed on top of the skull there is a weakspot there where all skull bones conect if it lands perfectly it could crack skull open. So those should be ilegal, elbow on top of the skull and also backside spine and back of the head, but anywhere else 12-6 elbow wont do that much damage will probably cut guy if it lands on face.
Just shift the weight classes up 10 pounds each, no fighting man walks at 125 pounds, honestly 145 is about the smallest an in shape adult Male would weigh if he's short and slender, also do 165/175, guys like Cerrone always cut too much for 155 and bigger guys cut to 170 making them small in that division.
If MMA is taken in concrete floor...wrestlers dominate more....and since muay thai emphasizes elbows,knees and kicks.....muay thai would dominate more because can you imagine if elbows,knees and kicks to the head of the grounded opponent is legal
12-6 should stay illegal, because it doesn't do much damage and adds a lot of unnecessary cuts that might stop the fight. Elbow's ends are pointy which increases the pressure on the skin making cuts much more common
I could go for days about that topic. Punches to the spine, punches to the back of the head, that downward elbow thing, kicking to the kidney ...........
Agree on the 12-6, but no gloves would lead to premature stoppages due to cuts and a lot of broken hands. Oblique kicks should be looked at and probably banned. I’d prefer headbutts and 12-6 to get re-instated.
Is there an Episode or a RUclips Clip, where Joe shares his opinion on Pride FC Rules? You know about kicking/stomping grounded opponents... I'd like to hear his personal take on that.
Elbow is effective not because it’s stronger, but because it focuses it’s force on a smaller surface area increasing pressure. A 5 pount rock wouldn’t go through your foot but a nail with 5 pounds of pressure would
Exactly, with no gloves fighters would be breaking their hands all the time. Also, fights being stopped because of cuts would happen more often, a bare knuckle hitting someone in the head is more likely to cut the other fighter open.
No gloves would completely change the striking. You wouldn't throw with no regard like they can with a casted hand. Look at old ufc or any other no glove organization they throw far less hand strikes or use palms.
3:50 No man, your punches will change to palm strikes when you aim for the head. Go watch Pancrase. Bas Rutten has all his Pancrase fights on youtube. You can't tell me that wouldn't be entertaining with modern fighters as well. Same kicks, same elbows, same knees, etc, and palm versions of all the punches, except the low-power jab, you could still throw that out with an open backhand.
Not necessarily the case. In Pancrase, they were palm-striking the head primarily because head punching was illegal. Bas has flat out said that in a street fight, he punches to the head and has never had a problem. You need good fist structure as you can't rely on wraps to protect your hand, but it's not like removing gloves will see the end of the head punch. Moreover, adopting a policy of punching the body and opening the hand to go upstairs runs the risk of telegraphing your intent. I think you'd probably see some different hand strikes if you took away the gloves, but punches wouldn't _disappear._
+Nick Williams "Bas has flat out said that in a street fight, he punches to the head and has never had a problem." He said you _can_ , if you clench correctly, which is certainly true if you don't hit the forehead. I'm not disputing the effectiveness of precise punches. I don't think he _quite_ said what you are claiming. Maybe if you said he *has punched* to the head; your phrasing makes it sound like it was his preferred tactic, and I've seen a lot of stuff from Bas and don't recall hearing anything so definitive. _"Moreover, adopting a policy of punching the body and opening the hand to go upstairs runs the risk of telegraphing your intent. "_ This is literally part of Bas' methodology; loading up the strike identically, fist closed, and either keeping the fist closed when going for the liver, or popping it open as the strike is traveling. He does this often and in succession during his fights; going high and low seamlessly. Sure, other fighters will have to train so that they can also do this seamlessly, but we shouldn't assume they won't take steps to mitigate telegraphing. "but punches wouldn't disappear." Was never my claim, but sure, I agree. My point is, palm strikes are a perfect alternative if you can't, or won't, throw a punch to the head. Note that my comment was in response to Yves acting like everyone will have destroyed hands going into the second round. It's ridiculous right?
The major one is no more rounds once you start you go till the end.. and ban that jon jones knee kick hyperextends it backwards that is career ending and will be effected for life. Also weight bullying should be a no go.... bkfc proves they will fight just as hard only difference is how injured they are after i do not think no gloves is a good idea.
Similar concept in comparing rugby to American football, you can't light somebody the fuck up without pads the way you can with a helmet and shoulder pads
3 classes> 150 & under, 150 to 200, 200 and over. Also, if a fighter submits his opponent that round ends and that round is awarded to fighter. But the fight continues with the next round.
I think specialized judges is a bad thing. For example if you have a jiu jitsu guy judging a fight he will be more bias to the grappler or the guy who is performing jiu jitsu then the kickboxer. And a guy who is an active mma judge who was a former fighter he said that if a striker takes down a grappler he would count it as more then if the grappler took down a striker and guess what this guy’s specialty was, Muay Thai. Everything is supposed to be scored equally no matter who does it. This would create a bias in judging that would not be necessary because there is already enough controversy on this topic.
Allow groin kick, head butts, eye poke and biting for some special NHB events...dirty fighter belt or label! Allow mic trash talking between fighters at every round pause...
Man if they just let judges use half points for judging it would be great. Like a super close round could be 9.5 to 10 instead of 9 to 10. It could help greatly.
I would change all of these, plus strikes to the back of the head. Because sure, they're dangerous and can turn people blind, but do you think people would go for as many takedowns if they were allowed? Hell no, you shoot in without a distraction, you're gonna get flattened in an instant.
Yeah, number one rule should be any fighter who eye pokes with an open hand to the face should be disqualified on the spot for breaking a rule. No point deduction, no warning just disqualified. How many times have we seen blatant eye gouges and kicks to the groin only to have the dirty rule breaker get his hand raised for a victory if the injured opponent cannot continue. One gets the win the other goes to ER.
Extreme Weight cuts need to be changed...
That shits only in the Ufc boxing does just fine idk what it is about MMA that people try to kill themselves
@@DatBoiMiggy303 It's because of the grappling. Size has a huge effect on grappling.
That's bullshit to say it's only in UFC. Have a proper look at boxing. It's just as bad.
Andrew Cowgill It’s bad I don’t think it’s as bad.
It’s all the way down to high school wrestling.. like 15-17 year old kids starving themselves and running around with trash bags in Florida heat and humidity just to make weight
Joe “bare knuckle fighting while on DMT” Rogan
1st
Bare knuckles means more broken hands and less fights
TRAP MONEY BOY CHEEK What about the king of pancrease? Fighters would fight smarter
Less brain damage, more technique
MARXO BETTIE But more fighters with functional brains
people woud condition their hands and improve techniques and eventually broken hands woudnt be that common as they woud be in the beginning
I think the current gloves are just fine. Bare knuckle would certainly bring changes but i don’t know if the benefits outway the loses. One part people rarely talk about is cuts to the hands could end a fight way too easy imo
The biggest problem is the current rules are not enforced: when was the last time someone was deducted a point for an eye poke, fence grab or striking after the bell?
All that stuff happens way to often as well. They really need to start deducting a point right away, and the amount of times those things would happen would be cut down significantly.
The bell is only for the referee to know to stop the fight if the referee doesn't step in the fight is still on.
That is correct and that is the problem. The ref is required to put himself in physical danger to end a round, which is unreasonable. What should happen is when the ref gets the 10 second clapper, he should shout '10 seconds left' to the fighters, who know they will shortly be expected to stop offensive action. And if they don't, they need to take the consequences of that.
Anticipating the bell and "waiting" for it to go off, is gonna put you in a far more vulnerable situation which could lead to getting clipped or submitted, putting that responsibility on the fighter, in my opinion, would be unsafe and unreasonable for them.
Do you want Jon Jones to have to finish fights cuz he’d lose by decision no matter what
Gloves aren't to protect the face, they're for protecting the hands. Fights would end early from broken hands
But that's what he's getting at. People think gloves are there to protect the face, and that's why they insist on the UFC using gloves. Whereas without the gloves, fighters would have to be more careful so as not to injure their hands, and cause less damage to their opponent because of it.
But we have records of bare knuckle boxing fights going literally 70+ rounds
Exactly his point. With gloves, fighters swing harder and more recklessly. Leading to more brain damage. Bare knuckle would lead to the fights being more realistic, and once the fighters adjusted, they would sustain less damage. At first though, broken hands would be prevalent
@@MrSlyBadger Have you seen traveler bare knuckle fights? They don't seem to be careful about their hands lol unless they are broken and they just carry on.
Wrapping literally protects the hand from breakage, its purpose is to compress/support the meta's etc so instead of the force being transferred through one that can move it's transferred through them all as a solid unit making them a lot harder to break.
Nobody wants to see a bareknuckle slapfight for $60 on PPV
If someone could fight bareknuckle like Bas used to, I'd pay $60 to watch that, his liver shots were epic.
I would pay to watch a serious slapfight if it has rules.
HoboSammiches fight purist do
Lol who pays for ppv's anymore? Casual.
Achyll1985 think again bitch
"... nice lady" 😂 Adelaide is gonna have to quit judging, thank you Joe
lol i was just gonna post her name.... lol
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Best compromise is to have gloves but no hand wraps allowed.
As for Judges, they should be tested by having them watch a bunch of past obscure fights and mock scoring those fights. If they have no clue how to score those fights or come up with some crazy result, they don't get a Judging license.
I've said the exact same thing about how to train and inspect judges ability to score fights.
This comment shows that you've never trained a day in your life. You cant have gloves without wraps. Wraps stop your wrists from breaking.
@@jarad590 Very ignorant of you. I throw punches with the power of a heavyweight pro boxer, and I hit the heavy bag bare handed or with gloves with no wraps.
@@GeorgeOu enjoy your arithitis
I never understood how the oblique kick is legal but the 12 to 6 elbow is illegal.
I know right
But to this day we never saw a guy get injured due to oblique kicj
@@lunaticheaven9446 rampage Jackson knee gives him permanent problems after oblique kicked by jon jones
the destracto of mc gameplay and more actually we have. Stephen Thompson has had his alphabet torn out of his knee by oblique kicks
A downward elbow can go right into the eyes, it's too dangerous
Joe, stop trying to make no gloves happen, is not going to happen
Bare knuckle fc
Stoopid
so fetch
Not sure which podcast you were listening to.
One year later...
The rule i don't like is fighters cutting 50lbs to fight, but on fight night they weigh 30-40lbs more than their opponent
I really don’t like weight cutting but it makes sense cus a lot of the lower division fighters walk around at light hw or even hw but implement a weight cut so there’s 85% of the fighters in the ufc in heavyweight divisions
I’ve trained MMA and BJJ for nearly 10 years. I got into my first street fight in my adult life a couple of years ago. Dude swung a haymaker and clipped me in the eye. I sidestepped and hit him with a jab, cross combo and he hit the floor.
I only tell that story to say that the right cross I threw nearly broke my hand. It swelled up and I could barely open it for a week. So yes.....I would be more selective with my punches in a bare knuckle fight.
That's why gloves were introduced in boxing. Protect boxers hands so could fight more regularly and last longer. Punters want to see big punches
Imagine the other dudes face lmao
@@Kostadin_Arolski 😂😂😂
It’s too bad too, because open hands can be devastating (Bas Rutten for example). It isn’t all about slapping. I’d love to see the gloves go as an experiment, to see how the fighters and overall game would adjust.
I like rogan but this no gloves idea is BS , people will break there hands during the fight all the time and fighters will be hesitant to swing hard, I want to see people be able to strike at 100% , it’s not a street fight it’s a sport with many rules,
Northern Beaches Same day surf yeah fighters break their hands now with gloves
That's part of Rogan's argument I think. He knows and interacts with these fighters, he favours reducing the head trauma they're currently exposed to.
hambo but he wants headbutts. Getting punched and kicked in the head is bad. But using your head as a weapon is bad too
Canadian sport_fan You're not wrong there. His position is a bit contradictory.
Or people might start to use more of their brain and stop swinging around like its the 60s.
This'll fix shit.
12-6 elbows allowed
Weigh in on fight day to prevent extreme weight cuts.
10 point system scrapped for pride rules. The guy doing more damage and intention to win and finish the fight wins.
The only issue is that they'll never do day of weight cuts. The purpose of doing them early at the pro level is to give time for those last couple lbs to get off if they're over and to get an alternate fighter if it's deemed unlikely they can make weight with extra time. The only alternative to this would be having an alternate or two waiting in the wings in the event they don't make weight, meaning more intensive and specialized fight training for those guys too, meaning they will demand (and rightfully so) more money just for sitting on the back burner to maybe fight. Dana is a greedy fucker so he'd never implement anything that could cost him more money just to fix something broken like the weigh in system they use.
10 point system makes it seem more like a sport and more professional.They ain't getting rid of that one
Kicks to the head on the ground aswell
@@scarzandy436 no that can kill someone
@@smhgaming3259 it was allowed in pride and no one got killed
"Let's not say any names" Then proceeds to say "Nice lady." lol
He didn't say any name though hahahaha
Give some stats like others sports at every round pause: amount of strikes attempt, reaching, jab or cross, left or right, numbers of combos, pivots, skips... time spent defending, attacking, on the ground, running away...how much full guard, half guard, which chokes or locks and how often and how successful etcetera etcetera
Unrealistic? This isn’t a street fight it’s suppose to be a sport wtf
It's a cage fight, bro. We make the rules up as we go along.
*Combat Sport
Not some touchy tickle cuddly warm hugs.
Problem is people say they should be paid more like real athletes but then also want them to go bare knuckle with no rules, its either professional or not but can't have it both ways.
MrMongoose221 exactly
Mma is fighting and a sport.
Weigh in should be 3-4 hours before the fights
Nikola no way after the weigh in you need to rehydrate and this wouldn’t stop people cutting weight just will mean they will be worst at fighting
@@markwild9224 but that's the point. There are fighters who have 66kg at weigh in and 5-6+kg when they fight. What they do is cut weight drastically for weigh in and in 24 hours they are bigger than they were at weigh in. Only a madman would cut for a fight that is in 3 hours.
@@markwild9224 if fighter has 75 kg when he isn't in preparations for the fight and cuts weight for 66kg weight class, just So he can have 73kg at the fight that is kinda cheating. Why not simply fight in bigger category? If weigh in was 3 hours before the fight, no way would he go for that 66kg class
@@Stephen7764. I agree but what would you do if someone misses weight, you cant just cancel the fight the same day as the fight is
@@vegaboss3495 Same what ''we'' do when someone misses the weight when wheigh in is day before
Is the ufc going to enforce stopping a fight if one of the fighter poops?
Lol they need to. Its happened before and it was diarrhea too
They didn't stop the fight when Yoel Romero shit his pants. They let the fight continue.
No shit.
Remember that bloody massacre McDonald and Lawler had? Imagine shit instead of blood. All over the place.
Without gloves, hand strikes would become rare and fighters wouldn't break their hands simply because they wouldn't punch nearly as much.
No, as they would train and hit bags without gloves, or heavy wraps, they would also palm strike !!!!!!!!!!
mixalis ya that would be awesome and fun to watch.
All it takes is one legit punch and your hand could break.
There was a fight. I think it was a fight with dan severn. You weren't allowed closed fist strikes. So they only used their palms. It was a horrible fight
Moe F. They would be wrestling slaming each other and winning by submission mainly, it actually sounds cool but it should be a separate thing not ufc
There is a great reason not to have judges who really understand the sport. If the fights were scored fairly, the rankings would have to matter. Then Uncle Dana couldn't just make fights based on projected PPV buys...
I think people are underestimating how much removing gloves from MMA would affect the sport in general. Like I agree it would be more realistic but people would break their hands way more and there would be a lot more doctor’s stoppages, and because of that fighters would have to take way longer to recover after fights. More than that though, I don’t think people realise how much of an advantage grapplers would have with gloves being taken away, I’ve done jiu jitsu in MMA gloves a few times and it’s waaaay harder than grappling with bare hands, wrestlers and BJJ specialists especially would be given such a massive advantage over strikers, particularly boxers (obviously). If anything the unique design of the gloves helps to even out the sport.
I’m not underestimating the changes. I’d like to see MMA shift back to bare hands. Open handed strikes would come back into play.
1 random 1 round fight of 15 minutes from wild cards spectators in the public for each event.
Call it the "15 minutes of fame" fight!
“Nice lady” 🤣 👏🏽
"nice lady" lmaooo
Weight cuts are the only thing that needs to change
nice lady
yep I had a good laugh on that one
*I never agreed with Joe on this.*
I think removing even more techniques that cut would help.
*I hate seeing fights end because of a cut.* Especially when both fighters are still good to go and the fight is going great!
Also removing hand wraps won't change styles, just increase injuries to fighters and shorten careers.
Bas Ruten DID CHANGE styles and refused to punch. He almost always hit open hand even when the rules allowed knuckles.
Thing is, let's say Joe is right and fighters begin doing that.
Is that really something you want to see? Open hand hitting in MMA?
It's like watching two guys slap each other.
I just don't find it as entertaining and seeing someone make a fist and smash someone with it.
Every single striking technique is capable of making a cut.
And so your logic is to maximize the potential to cut up every fighter and end fights early?
What's your point?
“I’m letting the cat out of the bag”
Right then I noticed the cat on his T-Shirt...
Tony the type of guy to hold the door for you when you’re halfway across the parking lot
Upward kicks bro.
I think the guy on bottom should be able to kick someone in the face if they are sitting on their guard. Anderson vs Okami was a BS DQ imo
fucking this
t c no because then you would simply go for a takedown and stomp on them and fights would be short as fuck. And if that was sarcasm boi this is the internet
t c that’s fine until you get slammed and booted in the jaw. Or when your unconscious from a knockout punch and the guy stamps on your head twice before the ref stops it.
@@Anothergoogleaccount1 but bro you seen many pride fights were stomps were counterd by heel hooks and knee bars
Champ division survivor test: 1 fighter for 5 rounds with 5 different opponents. Or 10 one minute rounds with 10 opponents. Get a special badass belt title and cash reward for this. Call it the Spartan, Bayard or Musashi event.
We get one judge and it’s Mirko Cro Cop
As an amutuer kickboxer/mma fighter, I'd like a few things changed. (Pertaining to professional mma.) 12-6 elbows totally legal. Excessive eye pokes should lose a round. 2 grappling, 2 wrestling, 2 kickboxing and 2 mma judges should judge a fight. And no mercy if your hands are on the mat.
One eye poke should lose the round.
“Nice lady” that’s so dirty joe😂
They should have either a superheavyweight division or remove the current 120.2kg/265lbs weight cap on the heavyweight division
The early UFC fights were badassery no rules nowadays there's too many damn rules..........
Joe “more judges” Rogan
Current ufc rules: takedown win rounds period, no knees or kicks on downed opponents and Jon Jones can test positive for peds.
What about takedowns where the receiver slips during, that doesnt mean the attacker isnt getting the best out of him and gets a free round. Plus that would make MMA a submission/ground sport
Glad this is on RUclips
There's a career choice that you don't hear being talked about in fighting circles: JUDGES! I wonder, what are the qualifications to judge a fight and how much does it pay? Depending on the answer it sounds like a pretty sweet deal!
Raiden4019 probably over 5 years experience in combat sports to be considered for a small fight.
Make this first MMA Olympics or World Cup happen! You can easily get enough fighters right now!
Think should go for 8 just judges. One placed on every side of the octagon...
+1 I reckon a 9th judge should be the ref.
YT Koby Newman nah referees are very biased, look at herb dean when Mcgregor was cheating on his face all night and he didn’t take him a point or warn him
@@GlaciateCoD but that can be the same problem with the refs. In my opinion it should be the nine ref thing, but they shouldn't know who there judging until the fight happens. Also they need to be more strict of the refs.
Curved gloves, 12-6 elbows, knees to downed opponent, head kicks on ground
I love the backwards music, is so trippy I love it
Its not just gloves. Why not fight in jeans, t-shirt and running shoes? Who walks around in speedos? Also, why do they fight on soft floor? Right now, probably 99% of humans are standing on hard floor in their houses, or walk around on concrete curb or some other surface.
Its a sport, its never going to replicate a real fight, that being said, I'd like to see a fight between unnarmed Brock Lesnar and Jon Jones vs a jaguar.
Put Joe Rogan and Big John in the HoF coz they are the MMA men!
watch the charles bennett bareknuckle fight where he lost because he broke his hand. its so brutal seeing a fighter like him wince in pain after destroying one of his most efficient tools
you could also see Artem lobov vs Jason knight no broken hand but mad blood
nash rivera munoz Because they don’t hit hard enough to break they’re hands. Weak asf
Bare knuckle fights could mean palm strikes a gogo but also modern hand conditioning back in the training...
Shaolin stuff, hypnosis, amulets or even DNA/ARN engineering...
Or maybe will make people keep their fists for soft surfaces and accurate shots, and more use elbows for wide global impact...
This could also make people using fingers or tiger palms or shuto...which would put a lot of severe damage and injuries...
As Joe said, hand is for piano OR eye gouging, ear removing and little bones breaking...
12-6 should stay banned the ball of your elbow fits perfectly in the eye socket and you could rupture or burst someone’s eyeball and permanently blind them
Homie was a straight warrior back in the day
Dylan Mounsey masvidal head kicked him back in the day too lol. I just seen it the other day
You really cant punch the same without gloves on just ask Mike Tyson.. he hit Mitch Green so hard in a street fight that he broke his right hand in 1988
Mike Tyson throwing hands with no gloves on is a scary thought 🤯
Make the octagon decrease its volume of 1 fifth after each round... Call it the Less Is More event.
I've said for years that if you must use a point system for scoring, just do a 1 point system. Win the round or don't. Might lead to more draws, but if it's a draw then its a draw. But most scores on the 10 point system are almost always 10-9 anyway. Well a single 10-8 can really lead to an unfair score and I've never seen a 10-6 or lower. So with a 1 point system it takes some of that bad judging out of the picture because it's less about a total score and more about who just won more rounds.
Each judge scores 1 point to the winner of each round, highest score per round awards the round, most rounds wins the fight.
Just an idea
That's a crappy system too. What if u barely win 6 rounds and I demolish you 4 rounds. I may have done much more damage but you would still ein. A 1-10 score would work better
@@habibbialikafe339 There are so few situations where a 10 point system is in any way relevant to the actual overall performance. I agree wholeheartedly with your assertion that it should be clearer than a 1-and-done but it really should be boiled down to something along the lines of 3 points. We really don't need more than 3 individual points to determine knockdowns, trips, clear dominant exchanges, more strikes landed etc. Has there ever been a score card *Ever* that was scored 10-6? And at that point does it matter? I don't think so. It should probably just be 3-3, 3-2, or 3-1. Or perhaps the infamous 3-0 where there is no judge on Earth who could think the fight wasn't dominated by a certain competitor that round.
I feel like fights would be a lot more grappling and wrestling without gloves. Definitely see more broken fingers and hands.
Great vid two real pros talking about the right topic
We'll all day the same name. "Nice lady" 😂😂😂
👍 Persian cat on his shirt lol
My least favourite mechanic is how rounds always start standing. RIP grapplers
Yeah i agree with that one, professional fighters should be judge. There are a lot of retired or close to retirement fighters in ufc alone so that is a great point guys. 12-6 Is dangerous elbow if landed on back of the fighter can hurt the spine-neck also if landed on top of the skull there is a weakspot there where all skull bones conect if it lands perfectly it could crack skull open. So those should be ilegal, elbow on top of the skull and also backside spine and back of the head, but anywhere else 12-6 elbow wont do that much damage will probably cut guy if it lands on face.
Bare knuckle creates fight ending cuts and broken hands. The UFC gloves suck though as they do not favor a closed fist, leading to more eye pokes.
Just shift the weight classes up 10 pounds each, no fighting man walks at 125 pounds, honestly 145 is about the smallest an in shape adult Male would weigh if he's short and slender, also do 165/175, guys like Cerrone always cut too much for 155 and bigger guys cut to 170 making them small in that division.
For any unknowing. The "nice lady" is Adelaide Byrd.
Lmao that opening “yeh”
First blood match : the first to bleed loses. Call it the Duel event.
6-12 elbow strikes! I want to see brain matter!!!
Put 2 big MMA clubs on competition and make it last a season as TUF stuff
The old UFC was the best! They took away too many rules to where it's basically just kick boxing and wrestling.
Joe “Water *IS* wet” Rogan
Make all the listed crazy fights for a Halloween special!
If MMA is taken in concrete floor...wrestlers dominate more....and since muay thai emphasizes elbows,knees and kicks.....muay thai would dominate more because can you imagine if elbows,knees and kicks to the head of the grounded opponent is legal
12-6 should stay illegal, because it doesn't do much damage and adds a lot of unnecessary cuts that might stop the fight. Elbow's ends are pointy which increases the pressure on the skin making cuts much more common
Bare knuckle would just go back to ‘93 with the grapplers dominating. Which as a grappler I would like to see but it would mean a lot less kos.
I could go for days about that topic.
Punches to the spine, punches to the back of the head, that downward elbow thing, kicking to the kidney ...........
But if you land a 12 to 6 elbow on someones eye can be life changing
So can any strike to the eye
It's not like water's wet and that's just how it is...NO!
EGGS-FUCKING-ZAKTLY
Blindfolded fights, with 2 or 10 fighters in the octagon! Special ninja or Daredevil label award or belt!
Agree on the 12-6, but no gloves would lead to premature stoppages due to cuts and a lot of broken hands. Oblique kicks should be looked at and probably banned. I’d prefer headbutts and 12-6 to get re-instated.
Is there an Episode or a RUclips Clip, where Joe shares his opinion on Pride FC Rules? You know about kicking/stomping grounded opponents...
I'd like to hear his personal take on that.
Elbow is effective not because it’s stronger, but because it focuses it’s force on a smaller surface area increasing pressure. A 5 pount rock wouldn’t go through your foot but a nail with 5 pounds of pressure would
Yves is a cool Guy. Knows his stuff too.
Well, we don't want fighters breaking their hands constantly.
Well for the 12 to 6 elbow depends like if your other hand is help pushing down the striking elbow then it might be dangerous
Breaking bones, tearing joints, snaping fingers, kicking and ripping balls, gouging eyes, punches to throat. Boom! Full entertainment!! :D
Why does Rogan keep advocating for no gloves? We don't need fighters breaking their hands during a fight and missing out on making money.
Exactly, with no gloves fighters would be breaking their hands all the time. Also, fights being stopped because of cuts would happen more often, a bare knuckle hitting someone in the head is more likely to cut the other fighter open.
Slim Charles I believe Joe is looking more at the long term picture. No gloves will help lower chances of CTE. I no what u mean though.
No gloves would completely change the striking. You wouldn't throw with no regard like they can with a casted hand. Look at old ufc or any other no glove organization they throw far less hand strikes or use palms.
Slim Charles actually no gloves reduces cuts look it up, but yeah I feel like hand breaks would happen too much
Yeah joe is a dumb ass. Any sane competitor would disagree with no gloves
We need to patent “The Crane”. Worked wonders in Karate Kid 1 from 1984.
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No man, your punches will change to palm strikes when you aim for the head. Go watch Pancrase. Bas Rutten has all his Pancrase fights on youtube. You can't tell me that wouldn't be entertaining with modern fighters as well.
Same kicks, same elbows, same knees, etc, and palm versions of all the punches, except the low-power jab, you could still throw that out with an open backhand.
No!
Zedek ya that sounds very interesting for sure.
Not necessarily the case. In Pancrase, they were palm-striking the head primarily because head punching was illegal.
Bas has flat out said that in a street fight, he punches to the head and has never had a problem. You need good fist structure as you can't rely on wraps to protect your hand, but it's not like removing gloves will see the end of the head punch.
Moreover, adopting a policy of punching the body and opening the hand to go upstairs runs the risk of telegraphing your intent.
I think you'd probably see some different hand strikes if you took away the gloves, but punches wouldn't _disappear._
+Nick Williams
"Bas has flat out said that in a street fight, he punches to the head and has never had a problem."
He said you _can_ , if you clench correctly, which is certainly true if you don't hit the forehead. I'm not disputing the effectiveness of precise punches. I don't think he _quite_ said what you are claiming. Maybe if you said he *has punched* to the head; your phrasing makes it sound like it was his preferred tactic, and I've seen a lot of stuff from Bas and don't recall hearing anything so definitive.
_"Moreover, adopting a policy of punching the body and opening the hand to go upstairs runs the risk of telegraphing your intent. "_
This is literally part of Bas' methodology; loading up the strike identically, fist closed, and either keeping the fist closed when going for the liver, or popping it open as the strike is traveling. He does this often and in succession during his fights; going high and low seamlessly. Sure, other fighters will have to train so that they can also do this seamlessly, but we shouldn't assume they won't take steps to mitigate telegraphing.
"but punches wouldn't disappear."
Was never my claim, but sure, I agree.
My point is, palm strikes are a perfect alternative if you can't, or won't, throw a punch to the head.
Note that my comment was in response to Yves acting like everyone will have destroyed hands going into the second round. It's ridiculous right?
Okay. I see where you're coming from then. I'd love to see how this played out, that's for sure.
The major one is no more rounds once you start you go till the end.. and ban that jon jones knee kick hyperextends it backwards that is career ending and will be effected for life. Also weight bullying should be a no go.... bkfc proves they will fight just as hard only difference is how injured they are after i do not think no gloves is a good idea.
I am sorry to bother you, but do you know the name of the judge they spoke about in the video.
Similar concept in comparing rugby to American football, you can't light somebody the fuck up without pads the way you can with a helmet and shoulder pads
3 classes> 150 & under, 150 to 200, 200 and over. Also, if a fighter submits his opponent that round ends and that round is awarded to fighter. But the fight continues with the next round.
no gloves I think the concussions are worse when you have gloves even the small MMA gloves
I think specialized judges is a bad thing. For example if you have a jiu jitsu guy judging a fight he will be more bias to the grappler or the guy who is performing jiu jitsu then the kickboxer. And a guy who is an active mma judge who was a former fighter he said that if a striker takes down a grappler he would count it as more then if the grappler took down a striker and guess what this guy’s specialty was, Muay Thai. Everything is supposed to be scored equally no matter who does it. This would create a bias in judging that would not be necessary because there is already enough controversy on this topic.
Allow groin kick, head butts, eye poke and biting for some special NHB events...dirty fighter belt or label! Allow mic trash talking between fighters at every round pause...
I totally agree dudes
I fuckin shattered my hand a couple of times
Joe is amazing
Man if they just let judges use half points for judging it would be great. Like a super close round could be 9.5 to 10 instead of 9 to 10. It could help greatly.
tickling is legal might be funny but you could be able to utilize it
I would change all of these, plus strikes to the back of the head. Because sure, they're dangerous and can turn people blind, but do you think people would go for as many takedowns if they were allowed? Hell no, you shoot in without a distraction, you're gonna get flattened in an instant.
Yeah, number one rule should be any fighter who eye pokes with an open hand to the face should be disqualified on the spot for breaking a rule. No point deduction, no warning just disqualified. How many times have we seen blatant eye gouges and kicks to the groin only to have the dirty rule breaker get his hand raised for a victory if the injured opponent cannot continue. One gets the win the other goes to ER.