Abandon Ideology | Gad Saad | EP 154
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- Опубликовано: 14 фев 2021
- This episode was recorded on January 18, 2021
Gad Saad and I discuss, among other topics, ideas as parasites, postmodernism, social constructivism, applying evolutionary thinking to understand our consummatory nature, epistemic humility, nomological networks, the degrees of assault on truth, and more.
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It’s amazing how a long haul truck driver like myself can now navigate with ease through philosophical arguments(just as I do through tough icy roads) and point out fallacies in more educated people’s ideas thanks to hours spent listening to these videos while driving the rig. Truly grateful! When I go on dates with women they can’t believe I’m a trucker and are convinced I represent academia :)
Hey, you guys fix the world's problems, while you are driving long haul. lol
Brilliant, I listen while cleaning other people houses.
You so beautiful
I love this. Thank you for sharing your thoughts. We need more thinkers, and we can’t count on academics to do the thinking.
Righteous
''Those who are able to see beyond the shadows and lies of their culture will never be understood, let alone believed, by the masses''
- Plato
A prophet is never accepted by his own country
-Jesus
May the force be with you, always
-Sherlock Holmes
Thomas Sowell, Jordan Peterson, Gad Saad, Víctor Davis Hanson, Ayn Rand,
I hope soon JBP and GS will discuss the most infectious idea of today - the idea that there is a pandemic that requires lockdowns, masks and social distancing. Will they speak about "The more than good restructuring", planned by the "Double-U E eff" ?
@@asisin2 no no no.darth vader
JP gets so excited when he talks about this stuff. It's good to see him smile after all the trouble he's had.
Two of the smartest guys I've ever heard. An honour.
Oof seriously?
Idk, here's a generic list or something to consider maybe, and importantly cannot stress enough the importance of reading these folks _first hand_ for yourself since their ideas and claims are constantly papered over, simplified, and misrepresented (by the folks in this very video in fact), often not even intentionally and merely as a result of consequential exposure to certain aspects and not others.
Necessary: Aristotle, Plato (a slight exaggeration merely to demonstrate the widespread influence/importance, but it's often said that most philosophy is just a footnote to Plato at this point).
"Enlightenment" core/historical context (if you take a poli sci course these will be the people you read): Kant (Critique of Pure Reason), Thomas Hobbes (Leviathan), Jean-Jacques Rousseau, John Locke (2nd Treatise)
Often skipped despite having key insights, mostly because of reactionary conceptions of their work: Hegel (Phenomenology of Spirit), Marx (at the very least the manifesto - something this Peterson guy couldn't even do for that Zizek debate apparently despite it being a pamphlet and readable in an afternoon), Nietzsche, Heidegger (to use one of his concepts, the purpose of thinking about this stuff is to get a sense of 'dasein'), Adorno & Horkheimer (Dialectic of Enlightenment), Sartre, Carl Schmitt (actual nazi, but has some very good insights regarding the function of politics in The Concept of the Political, insights that were/are being used extensively whether folks are conscious of this or not) Guy DeBord (Society of the Spectacle), Baudrillard, Mark Fisher. Maybe once the stigma generated by pervasive and ossified cold war propaganda is revealed for what it is, and an understanding of "the left" is actually understood rather than obscured, misrepresented, and strawmanned (the most obvious conflation being that the Democratic party is in any way shape or form "the left"), check out Lenin who effectively predicted the last century in Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism and like most of his other works.
Contemporary people that aren't hacks and importantly have a huge historical awareness that is always elaborated and grounded extensively: Noam Chomsky, Chris Hedges, Cornel West, Aaron Mate, Ben Norton, Max Blumenthal
He is Samurai. You are a powder for baking.
I love how non-confrontationally Gad is addressing Jordan's concerns with his work. We never see that, anywhere.
Good point: it's a function of several things... But mostly trust.
Agreed. It’s because he knows Jordan isn’t coming from a place of judgement, rather a place of curiosity.
@@maxpbeaumont right, he knows who Jordan is.
@@j_freed or that
@@j_freed that’s a good point
Gad Saad and Jordan Peterson discussion together - immediate click!
@@truth5705 what are you on about?
@@truth5705 i don't know what a Adoba Sarah is
@@truth5705 i did, i got how to cook chicken.
@@truth5705 Grow up dude. They criticize Islam. They are not alone.I would be right there with them if I didn't have an inkling of the poetic nature of arabic, a mystery I have no access to. The english translation of the Koran is a steaming pile of horse manure. Any Jewish child could write a better holy book. Islam suffers due to inaccessibility in the West. Until someone arises who can bridge that gap for us, I fear it always will. How about you stop blaming this on great minds such as JBP and GS and do something about it yourself? Be the change you want to see. At the moment, you just sound like a fanatical doosh (not saying you are that). Show us the beauty of Islam if you can. God knows the world needs something other than what its getting.
Mathematical or Formal Logic has defined universes. In social life and politics, these universes aren't totally exclusive., meaning that the definition of left and right aren't totally distinct on every point discussed. Why do you have to be extreme L or extreme R? Don't have to.
"The holy trinity of bullshit". I love Gad Saad.
Saad should have saiid to the bullshit queen, "So if I shoot you in the heart, we could just say you are not dead but merely living in a more quietly alive,"
Gad is LO MAXIMO! I love that dude.
@@sergedenovo2389 Peterson is great. But there are some things in which he has no idea what he's talking about. He's not aware of the degree of corruption there is. Still too naive I guess.
@@blaynestaleypro I disagree with you. You should read his new book "Beyond Order". In the first rule he makes a case for progressivsm aswell as conservatism and critiques both of them at the same time. He really goes into why it's dangerous leaving curroption and a corrupted status quo on it's own and that progressive change is often necessary, but not only necesarry. It' rly a good book, I'd invite you to read it
@@wegwerfacc3079 Haven't read the book, I'm sure it's great. I'm just saying, based on what Peterson is saying in this video, he seems to not be aware of the degree of corruption, specifically in the medical industry -- to elaborate on another comment I posted under -- i.e. to trust putting stuff into your blood, stuff you should know EXACTLY what it is (vaccines) without the scumbags required to reveal the ingredients because of "patents" or whatever, but food must be labelled properly, right? Does that make sense to you? The level of corruption in the medical industry has more than revealed itself over the years but we supposed to just trust blindly?
I absolutely love these two guys. So smart and just awesome. Every day I’m thankful for Jordan that he was able to survive.
If Jordan Peterson is the internet’s dad then surely Gaad Saad is its irreverent, fun and favorite uncle. Glad to see Dr. Peterson back and looking strong 💪...firing on all cylinders
He's the uncle Iroh of common sense
@@Kauemc he obviously has a zionistic agenda, cus in those parts where he indirectly defends zionizm, he makes absolutely no sense. The man just said that it's irrational for LGBTQ community to support palestinians cus the zionist system is more supportive of LGBTQ .. so what, he just forgot that people can be against zionists killing and stealing other peoples' land regardless of other factors. That specific LGBTQ community is not for palestinians and for their system of gov. but against zionists killing people and taking their land. So he either has an obvious agenda or is pretty dense. I'd go for the former.
Great color in his face, pulling names from his memory without struggle and riffing on Gad’s thoughts like a jazz drummer.
So nice to see him clawing his way out of the fog.
I admit I was worried for a while but today I can see he is on his way. He is ready to get back in the ring! I wish Hitchens was still here. He'd be the next guest.
@@truth5705 The Catholic church accepts that the authors of the Bible were people of their time. That's why they accept that the world isn't 6000 years old. Islam refuses to reject any part of the Quran whatsoever.
There's the difference.
Thank you Dr. Peterson. For most of my life I chased happiness only to find the more I pursued the further away from it I seemed to be. A few years ago I found your works, and it has profoundly and fundamentally changed my life. In short, I've cleaned my room, increased the amount of burden I'm willing to bear and now pursue meaning in my life. Perhaps it's too late for me now, but that is yet to be determined. Thank you for unlocking my ability to think. No longer am I bound to narrow ideological presuppositions that conceal reality and truth.
When I feel like buying a new book I go through new JP podcasts. 2 hours later I've bought 5 of them.
I wish I had your money to do that...
God I know!!! Amazon needs to give him stock.
Dr. Peterson is looking stronger every podcast.
I think he should go by Gandalf
He should grow the majestic beard.
Peterson the White
My thoughts exactly. Feels good seeing him getting better.
Bet he’s doing the Wim Hof method 🥶😮😗💨
This is a masterclass on how disagreements within the intellectual realm should be navigated.
Jordam pls search for the life of chico xavier and talk about it
It's the miracle of good-faith discussions.
I hurt my head a few times during the video.
i am left leaning, a centrist and do not believe that joe biden getting 80m votes holds up to logical scrutiny
Did they disagree on anything substantial?
I’m always so happy to see that when gad is talking. That his joy of talking to Jordan, comes before anything else. and his knowledge and thoughts about any subject are so natural to him that his joy to speak and converse outweighs any of his thoughts or opinions
Feels like listening to classical music, you might not understand everything but still sounds good!!!
That's good and all, but the point of this podcast is to not believe anything just because it seems beyond you to understand. XD
@@varungawande9321 true haha
So on point 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I used to listen to classical music on NPR without much knowledge about classical music, but the hosts of NPR often gave a back story to the music, which made my classical music experience much enjoyable and intellectual stimulating
The beauty of listening to classical music is that there IS no meaning, just a delightful sensorial experience of wonder!
Jordan doesn’t have guests, he has friends.
@@truth5705 excellent point. It doesn’t detract from what I said though.
with his caliber of friends and the many they are, who else is left to be a guest except for friends 🎩✌
@@truth5705 "I'm a doctor for diabetes it doesn't mean melanoma isn't fatal or important too." (Full disclosure I'm still watching so this comment may not properly apply after more information.)
president elect George Kirby I thought that you were killed in Minneapolis.
@@truth5705 did you listen to the interview? Or rather conversation I should say
Whether he can feel it or not, his visible appearance seems to be vastly improving each time we see him. Very good to see a positive trend in your life, and I wish the Peterson family all the best.
His color is iffy.
But he's kissing left wing ass ever since he returned from sickness ... saad to see
I think he's just trying to branch out and engage with the Leftist ideas, less ass-kissing than exploration.
@@Triforceofdeath Whatever you call it ... there has been a decided shift in his opinions ... and he's doing a lot of apologising for the behavour of the left
@@pablorages1241 I think, for the past year, it's been emotionally daunting and I think he just wants to go back to normal life. Like, listen to what he said in the begininging.
First time hearing Dr Saad, and I'm in love. I'm gonna buy all of his books.
read some zizek instead. might actually lead to knowledge
@@papacerto5050 yeah and some hegel, super deep stuff lmao 🤣 😆 😂 💀
@@papacerto5050 if you're implying that reading Gad Saad doesn't lead to knowledge, then I'm afraid you might be delusional.
If you're not implying that, I apologize.
@@papacerto5050 zizek is a neurotic wanna be smart dude. He just repeats stuff he reads and doesn't even realise that most of the times he mixes contradictory ideas since he doesn't analyze them enough. Also most people that praise him on the internet have no idea what he's talking about. They just wanna seem smart, the emperor is naked people! wake up!!
im enrolled in his class at Concordia University, his class really changes the way i see the world entirely now
When I listen to these discussions I come away feeling a little less ignorant.
you mean 'more knowlegy' (get it right)
@@brigwood7658 I guess I'm just the type of guy who considers his brain as less empty rather than more full.
the size of ignorance is not comparitive to the knowledge gained. Although being less ignorant would make someone more accepting of the ideas we dont understand while maintaining the same level of ignorance, with very much a lower level of arrogance.
@@MidniteSaxon this is convoluted. You write in circles and what you write doesn't add up. Stark contrast to JP. The "size" of ignorance?
@@lesmoore3638 its ok i feel you dont understand my point. The circles you speak of are representative of how I talk about ignorance. as an example my ignorance of not being informed enough to discuss this at your level. I would suggest your expression of mentioning convolution shows a lack of intention to understand my point, suggesting that level of ignorance. Ignorance not being the fault here but more the arrogance of the discussion.
The Gadfather and JBP - 2 of the figures that persuaded me to take a critical look at the world and my life several years ago. Thank you both.
I concur
Same
JBP is the goat.
For me it was Sam Harris I’d say, but as intelligent and critical thinking as he is, there is a depth to Peterson’s critique that I much more enjoy. They both are amazing individuals nonetheless
Same here. My life has turned around immeasurably since I’ve found these two and their ilk.
I regret saying some pretty ugly stuff about Jordan, but I’ve come to realize that he is a brilliant and resilient man.
fair play
In the words of the man himself `Read more'. The more of his lectures I watch, the more I respect not only his mind, but his prospective.
I envy you.I wish more people have the guts to even admit they're wrong at times, myself included I'm afraid.
When did it change for you?
What? Would it kill you to apologise?
His latest book is amazing. Jordan is looking absolutely brilliant, I'm so so glad he's making a recovery
2 of my favorite public intellectuals because they're both honest and they're both genuinely curious people who love to think.
I love the moment of purity when he says he's honored Jordan Peterson paid such close attention. They both seemed so authentic in that moment ha.
time stamp, please :D
I loved that as well!
@@tommor112 1:22:00
Yes, it was beautiful!
rewinded that moment a few times!
One of the things I admire about Dr. Peterson is that he's not afraid of silence while he formulates a response or a question.
yes i learned that from him.
@@venomlinx2796 🤣🤣🤣 Really? It's simply logical
@@Grandmastergav86 That's the thing! I admire JP so much for him demonstrating logic and truth in his behavior as well as his intellect.
It’s a common practice with people who think and think twice before they answer a questions. Some of the more popular individuals that do it is Elon Musk. I know of more people that do it as well, mostly academics.
Yes, this is very natural, even for high octane thinkers, we have to pause and consider ideas at times!
Last half of this discussion is gold, absolutely the best analysis and critique of post modern theory that I have heard.
I'm afraid to share this video cause I might loose my job :(
Strange times. Just share it with friends only then
Amazing
Start looking for another job first and then share it. We have to start showing up even if we are afraid.
@Leo Mulgrew Please don't compare Jordan Peterson to the KKK. The KKK is a racist, white supremacist organisation. Peterson is none of those things.
JP would tell you not to jeopardize your job.
"He (my son) let me know his date was a graduate student in cultural anthropology, feminism, and post modernism...
basically the Holy trinity of BS" 🤣🤣
Hahahaha! I laughed too hard as well 🤣🤣
Saad couldn't help himself. I can't stop laughing 🤣😂
Student, not son.
Great line.
Imagine dating someone that you have to call ahead and warn people about. Have some self respect buddy.
Jordan peterson is a LIVING LEGEND. Gratitude to all who guide him.
Nobody is perfect. He JP is not far from it in my opinion haha...
@@ari96a coward? hardly. Smart i would say for having such a positive effect on so many lost and misguided souls.
With Gad's smiling eyes looking at you how could you not feel good.
🤮🤮🤮🤮
These new podcasts are lit AF.
1:22:09: "I am so delighted by how closely you've read the book, i'm honored my good man!" - Gad Saad
Jordan is such a legend...
So nice to see true deep and honest mutual respect and admiration
Next book:
12 Rules for Audio Engineering - An Antidote to Feedback
Yes!
Bruh haha
I'll write it
12 Rules for Audio Engineering: An antidote to feedback and echo :-)
How about 12 Rules for lighting (Prof. Peterson)
Gad Saad has put what so confuses and angers me into an orderly, clear masterpiece of a book. I just ordered it and can't wait to dive in. And, JBP, it is WONDERFUL to have you back in the world again. That journey is hard and my prayers are with you.
You need to read the Time magazine article about the Cabal that helped get rid of Trump.
Is this a troll post? YOU need to read the the Time magazine article. STOP letting other people tell you what things like this article say and READ IT YOURSELF. You might notice that it concludes with: "Democracy won in the end. The will of the people prevailed. But it’s crazy, in retrospect, that this is what it took to put on an election in the United States of America."
When you let people feed you their cut and paste version of things and then repeat it to other people acting like you got the whole story... That is the real deception taking place right now.
@@ssykes7 So you skip to the conclusion (The Authors Opinion) and ignore the bulk of the Article which explains how election rules were changed and media and other big businesses cooperated for a shared goal of suppressing certain ideas.
Genius /s
@@elias_xp95 So I went back to the article to make sure, but I don't see any sources for any of what the author laid out. Theres a lot of he said she said and allusions to various things. It seems fair to me, to call the whole article "The Author's Opinion." So at the end of the article when we reach the conclusion (a judgment or decision reached by reasoning) the author states that "Democracy won in the end. The will of the people prevailed."
People are using this article as evidence that Democracy was subverted and the will of the people was criminally subverted. The judgement of the person who wrote it is exactly the opposite of that. So what I am getting at, is that the only proof people are offering up to support their claims, incontrovertibly disagrees with those claims.
I acknowledge that I am unfamiliar with how some websites cite their sources and perhaps there is a link I missed for those sources. If that is the case please enlighten me where they cited the sources.
@@ssykes7 Sources? LMAO the news stopped using them years ago. You have to do the homework yourself nowadays but everything listed in the article can be confirmed through some effort. Election rules were changed, the DNC primaries were rigged, Big Tech and Media did censor and suppress political voices. All of this is true. All of this impacted the election. All of this was a coup by the back door. But orange man bad Biden good beep boop.
Fun fact: the RNC rules were rigged for who? Yea believe it or not there other republicans attracted to the Free Market of Ideas who wanted to compete for the American people: Larry Hogan, Bill Weld and Joe Walsh, but floatey fat lardass Ronna McDaniel put the scales automatically in Trump’s favor. It’s fine if you like Trump I understand that, even if you don’t like the other guys. Simply being factual their ability to make their case to the American people was very curtailed. Wether or not you worship Trump, hate him or don’t give a fuck either way it was rigged.....oh my gosh, Republicans....nooooo
Ah, love me some Gad Saad x Jordan Peterson crossover.
Gad Saad went out of hiding temporarily to do this interview, legend.
That sarcastic hiding video he did last week had me crying laughing.
brave and beautiful
Such a brave soul 😇😂
Lmao
Must be because of all the thoughts and prayers he received.
These guys are brilliant class acts. So glad Jordan is back!
As a recent Neuroscience grad of the University of Michigan, I'm so disappointed I missed the opportunity to see Gad speak!
This is one of the very rare zoom/skype podcast I can actually stand. They aren’t talking over each other and letting one another completely finish before adding there own bits.
If the election were so transparent and secure, why are the election officials resisting forensic examinations?
Yes, good point. Unfortunately, Dr. P misstated the case regarding the election 'steal'. It did not require 'widespread' corruption on a massive scale, it only required surgically targeted precincts, and suspending the rule of law under the cover of COVID, as well as vast amount of money poured in by Zuckerberg et al to carry if off in selected Dem areas. He also misstates the actuality of the lawsuits and their true outcomes and significance. He obviously has not had the time or interest to look into all in depth himself and is drawing his inferences only indirectly. Peter Navarro offers the best documentation, clearly showing how the 'steal' was accomplished. And, as you say, fair audits and select forensic examinations should easily dispel the 'lies', if that's what they are. Nevertheless, this is NOT going away. The truth will come out.
@@tpaull good call.
And eloquently put!
However.... I think Jordan is more of a centrist!
(Maybe he doesn't want to believe that level of corruption! Because when you admit that, you realise your whole life is based upon a lie!)
Or....... This blunt is strong AF, and I'm talking shit again 🤯
@@tpaull Excellent take, Peterson seems poorly informed on the election fraud and the actual reasons why the legal system failed to act. In the interview with his daughter he was expressing positivity with the prospect of a Biden presidency in terms of bringing the country together! All the evidence so far clearly shows the opposite. It's surprising and worrying that JP can't see that maybe he's been infected by the parasite!
@@tpaull the truth will never come out. America is going down the drain. With Kamala- Biden in charge, it's going to get worse. And Republicans will side with them.
I am sure that Dr Peterson, as he is recuperating, will gain some insight into the true and epic Jungian (and BIBLICAL) battle for a free election in the US. And with the state of bottling and trashing of any truths, it only comes out on the fringes. A damn shame on the media.
"holy trinity of bullshit.." man I'm dying!! he's a legend!
I am very happy to see our dear professor Peterson working and blessing us with his precious life. My God bless him greatly.
Jordan looking better and better each podcast, and he even coaxed Gad out from hiding under his desk!
To think we have access to this kind of content for free...
@@bobbyboucher187 So it's a wonderful thing. Usless and mundane data for intelectual ride. It's a deal!
@@bobbyboucher187 Not me, im fake with all info online..
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@@truth5705 This sentence starts with 'therefore'...You don't feel that it is necessary to provide the preceding sentence in order to accurately interpret the meaning of this sentence?
@@truth5705 They do criticise all religions. You just missed it. The only thing going on is you missing the depth of what they are saying.
I honestly believe these two men can save us from ourselves. I only hope they keep on talking and sharing it with us. Thank you so much guys. Very much appreciated.
Great to have Jordan back.
There's a decisive melancholy to his voice now.
That could work out to be a good thing(plumbing great inner depths) and a consequence of being to hell and back.
Speaking of voice though, his audio setup SUCKS bad. Has a tingy, echo quality to it. Hard to listen to at higher volume.
I’m glad to have you back Dr. Peterson. You’re a king lobster.
*lobster salute*
What a privilege we have these days. To be able to watch and listen to two great minds interact in a one on one dialogue in the comfort of our own homes.
Amen!
@Modern Zombie who asked
Dr Peterson, it is again my privilege to enjoy your public speaking and thank you, for an introduction to
Dr. Saad as well!
It is, or seems a insurmountable problem to bring real education to the masses?
I thank you both for your continued effort.🙌
God bless!
Two of the best and brightest thinkers of our time delivering ideas that are very needed to hear, and with such class, intelligence and articulation.
"That's hopefull, that's beautiful. It's also rooted in bullshit."
-- the legendary Gad Saad
I still haven’t seen Q in any significant way and the establishment has done such a good job at legitimatizing it’s influence that even Peterson thinks it’s pervasive.
Qanon is like Alex Jones. Nuggets of truth blown out into ridiculous conclusions. Truth is often mundane, it doesn’t read like a Tom Clancy novel.
@@Minotaur-ey2lg you have no idea.... you don't know what you don't know.
@@Minotaur-ey2lg Even Jones doesn't believe in Q.
The Q stuff was almost entirely contained to an obscure imageboard for years, until that board was shut down on spurious reasoning, and kept down long enough that the ~35,000 credulous boomer rubes who were into it surfaced into places like Facebook and RUclips where these ridiculous ideas could rapidly spread and evolve. Next thing you know, it's being loudly amplified by its supposed opposition and Qannon is a household word and a ready-made label for any sort of behavior or thought that needs to be dismissed as equal parts dangerous and ridiculous.
I followed Q for a while. It was a message board consisting of a series of questions that encouraged people to do their own research about current events. It was fun. It really did have the effect of stimulating research. There were some people, not a large percentage that had some prejudiced ideas, just like other chat rooms both left and right. It was a small percentage. It is comical that the media is using Q as a boogeyman now. The only conspiracy is that researching for oneself is not what the media and the left can tolerate.
Post modernism gives a new language to those whom have nefarious intentions.
Post modernism gives a new language to those whom have a desire to help other people and to virtue-signal.
@@truehuman3106 “help other people” = control the narrative in situations that can use people to further and agenda.
Its refreshing to listen to people who formed their opinions through vastly acquired knowledge, from being educated and well read. Rather than listening to Celebrities and Internet Influencers who's opinions are formed after reading a 3 Word Slogan.
Dr. Peterson is a good person. We are glad he's back.
His voice a few times has led me to think he might be a LMD.
These men make me so proud to be Canadian! What a treat on this cold afternoon :)
I hope soon JBP and GS will discuss the most infectious idea of today - the idea that there is a pandemic that requires lockdowns, masks and social distancing. Will they speak about "The more than good restructuring", planned by the "Double-U E eff" ?
2 a.m. watching after shovelling the driveway. Beautiful winter night!
This is one of the best long form interviews I have ever seen.
So happy to see that you are getting better and heading back to your place at the top of the pyramid of honest folks who are willing to have the important conversations. Thank you Sir !
It's a terrific privilege to witness a conversation of this caliber.
Your comment makes me feel smarter when I read it, thank you 🙏🏻
Not to mention how wonderful it feels to be able to actually understand what theyre saying!
Except when it comes to electoral politics, in which these men could not possibly be more ignorant.
Talk as long as you want on post modernism. The more we understand post modernism, the better chance we have of defending the truth.
I so thoroughly enjoyed this conversation and its elucidation of both reality based and non reality based epistemological approaches. Thanks to both of you and please keep talking with each other.
“Metamorphose into bullsh*t.” Oh Gad.tell it like it is. Very informative and stimulating. Thanx Profs.
@@truth5705 Why not let them decide what they choose to say or not say. And you speak for yourself.
@@truth5705 because all religions were written by backwards thinking ignorant people , but where MOST faiths have sick shit written down but not followed to the letter, only a very small percentage STILL believe in thier book word for word and still practice it. I can think of only one that thinks its still OK to marry and kids in todays society .
@@cantthinkof123 in the case of judaism and christianity...I would be wary to call the foundations of western morality backwards and ignorant.
@@truth5705 I dont nesesairly disagree with that christianity is the foundation of western morality but I would also like to remind you that Christ was a jew, and that us christians share the old testament with them almost in its entirety. also anyone who calls judaism ignorant has not read maimonides.
it was a religion incredibly ahead of its time, and while I believe christianity trully fullfils it and renders it obslete, its by no means an ignorant faith.
@@eldenlean5221 I stand by what I said ALL faiths . They are called faiths for a reason. Belief without evidence. Thats faith. The old testament is horrible and violent. It was only when Jesus showed up and started a hippy commune did it chill a bit. Now Islam did the opposite . It started off mellow enough and then it all went down hill. We can all nitpick at beliefs. But when you can't take criticism about your faith or any faith at that , then we have a problem. I have a problem with ANY BELIEF that says its ok to mess with kids. And even more of a problem now I have three girls.and with a faith that STILL practices sleeping with kids. I have the same disdain for the Catholic Church and its problem with pervert priests. Before we go any further I'm not a racist in the slightest. My own daughter has an Arabic name , Aaliyah . I won't be swept aside with the label racist purely because that's the go to response.
As one of my philosophy professors once said., “There’s a lot of bullshit in the social sciences.” Your talk helped me think about this at a much deeper level.
Yes sadly. My brother failed his exam while critizising their positions and quoting Jordan Peterson. He is studying English in Germany and most of the lectures were hold by feminists... Really its so terrible to watch and I say that as a woman. Now they lost the last man in their lecture , he finally switched the subject.
And Peterson is spreading the BULLSHIT.
@@jmeyer4266 if what Peterson is saying is bullshit, why are the most successful rehab centers in Belgium, staffed by psychologists completely independent from him and state-subsidized, built around the exact principles he describes?
A follow up podcast please! The both of you are brilliant and we need to hear more of you two together. Thanks for this great podcast!
Yes, Jordan is wrong about allot of his opinions on the 2020 election. He is talking about a subject he knows nothing about. Many people felt our election process has had MAJOR flaws, for years before Trump ever ran for office.
@@Patricia-hu5fd
"Fair" AND "honest" selections..could, should, would; precede, "fair" AND "honest" elections; which, ..could, should, would; present a "fair" AND "honest" Representative government, FOR The People; rather than, "A Party's Control" of government for A Party's People's Control, OF the "other" party's people.
A government that "leads" a party, is an anti- Representative Government, FOR The People.
A "Two Party SYSTEM"; IS ALWAYS, one party away from "A One Party's SYSTEM; ie, "Communism's", or "Socialism's" or "Fascism's", or "Globalism's", or "Climatistism's"; "Theocracy's", or "Democracy's", or "Republicacy's", etc.
The totally unique United States' Constitutional Government SYSTEM "FOR The People", was parasited by the re-embrace of the old design of a majority's rule by it's "might makes right"; and also then, makes a minority's right..."wrong"; and thus, the infiltration and destruction of These United States, is being accomplished through "Allegiance" to "A Two Party System"; which is, inherently intolerable of, AND anti-Representative of, any and or all of, a minority's RIGHTS to be free from a party's control.
Hearing these two is like getting a massage in my brain. ^_^
It's like a massage with a happy ending ☺️
Nothing more comforting than watching two people with a mutual respect for each other engage intellectually.
We love you Jordan. You're literally a life-saver for so many of us. May you live long and prosper ❤
Welcome back Jordan and don't worry about not being at your 'peak' because; even half your peak still dwarfs mortal men!!!😊
@@duncansunrise - Well, I've just had a quick look at (and listen to) your contribution to humanity Duncan and I can see why you'd feel a bit inadequate!! Hmmm!!!
@@duncansunrise - Said the guy, who can't spell 'Peterson'!!
I am a professional engineer with three different engineering degrees. In engineering things either work or don't work, there is no in between. If something you design doesn't work you have find out why it didn't work. You can learn alot from failure to correct mistakes.
"Graduate student in cultural anthropology, radical feminism and post-modernism. The holy trinity of bullshit."
Exactly.
@ The Small Hats. For real, not a joke.
Put that on my wall.
@@VidarrKerr They've been subverting all the great empires since Babylon. They're very good at it, and they are a very small tribe. Some say they are the fake bergs mentioned in the book of revelations, the synagogue of saturn or satan, some say reptilian/alien. whatever they may be, it's malevolent.
The Blair Witches say many shaky things, holy is opposite of feminism.....like light and dark .... bless you Blair ...ric Dundee
So good to hear Jordan Peterson back he seems like he’s at full strength we need Dr. Peterson more than ever these days!
That’s what I used to think. I was SO excited when I heard he was coming back. But he’s different after his illness. He’s not based nor wise like he was before.
Propaganda from the right is just as bad as from the left!
@@rick4electric
I don’t like the terms right and left as I don’t really know what people actually mean when they say that anymore. If someone explains what they mean when they use it well that’s fine, but I have listened to people making up definitions which just seem to be skewed to support their viewpoints and poorly defined.
This is a dream podcast for me...two of the most inspiring speakers that I've been following for years...Gad Saad and his discussions on Evolutionary Psychology have been fascinating and Peterson and his "12 rules for life" was a masterpiece work
The way they discuss, sharing and challenging each other's ideas is a great example of how science, and actually thinking, should be! Great interview!
Jordan's ability to cut through slick partisanship and stay genuine is what I admire most about him.
He is gifted but implies that fascism isn't a leftist political ideology... 🤣😂😅 providing proof that academia has infected his mind with the idea pathogen that racists are right wing. 🤣😂😅 ... he need a few more red pills it seems.
Except on that 200 years together question.
If you're NOT a right-wing partisan by 2021, you're not nearly as genuine as you should be.
At this point down the middle is a right wing thing. Jordan just hasn't admitted it to himself yet.
I'm not a Partisan, but even I see Hunter's dad getting more of the black vote than Obama and I say wtf.
46:15: "once I recovered from hearing such a position." 😂
Gad, never change
I know this may sound dumb but I am so thankful for Dr. Peterson and his broadcasts and his being back after such a horrific experience and the fact that even as brilliant as he is he makes himself understandable to common folk like myself
It's been a privilege to have heard your discussion...
Thank you for helping me understand better these ideas ❤️
They didnt rule against him that many times, they often refused to rule.
Because there wasn't enough evidence to prove it within a court of law.
Doesn't mean there weren't a lot of problems and major issues (Times article shows that), just means that within a court of law, thankfully, innocent until proven guilty still exists.
@@MrDNMock
If you legitimately believe that Mr. Biden received a “record number of votes”, I don’t know what to tell you
@@MrDNMock The evidence wasn't even considered tho, they decided that they didn't even want to look at the evidence for various reasons.
And Guliani said very specifically that he only filed THREE suits on Trump's behalf, why are these "60 cases" constantly brought up when they aren't relevant to Trump? Is the big number supposed to intimidate people? Peterson clearly doesn't know the details of all those cases, they could have all been filed by crackpots, for all he knows, but I guess that info would undermine his disingenuous argument?
I ADORE Jordan Peterson, but his total ignorance of the facts regarding the 2020 election really pisses me off.
(And Fascist National Socialists are a Left wing political philosophy and Marxist off-shoots. Just because they were nationalist or ethnocentric doesn't make them right wing. Plenty of Communist regimes were also nationalist and/or ethnocentric.)
It makes me so damn happy to see Jordan focused and happy again
Absolutely
incredible, I learned so much things. I feel like a door was opened for me
I understand and learn the meaning of words and therefore I become more and more armed to understand and defend what I care about. It's like having gained tools to be more efficient and veridic
Yes!! We have missed you so much Jordan!! I am so happy you are well and back again
JBP did not read ANY of the comments from his Douglas Murray interview.
The points on the election should be more properly considered and investigated personally before making claims like the ones here.
Otherwise, Great video and good to see Gad
Yes. Hes jumped into qanon stuff without having been present and of sound mind to understand how no election auditing into the chain of custody was ever made in countless ways that led to statistical anomalies
To his credit, this was recorded about a month ago, about the same time the Douglas Murray interview came out.
@@bencarpenter6612 I'm not holding my breath for him to recant
Thank you, I've been saying the same thing myself. Hopefully it'll be something he'll remedy soon.
Agree 100% .. when you try to make an evaluation without actually investigating your simply being lazy and intellectually dishonest. His reasoning is faulty but nobody has actually challenged him on it. Maybe Dave can bring him up to the level we are.
JP needs to invest in a solid microphone. He can afford it.
The pandemic is funny because poor Twitch streamers have better setups than rich boomers.
Audio quality is good towards the end.
his daughter has the right setup actually, she could help... but the other day her podcast was very quiet, they will probabky sort it out soon
I wouldn’t make those assumptions. He made money touring and selling books but remember, his daughter has surgery, his wife almost died, and then he almost died. That was about 2-3 years of pain and struggle with only sales of books to pay for hospital visits and medication and maybe even plane tickets and bills and food and all that stuff. His riches may have depleted or all we know.
Just something to think about. (Not that I think he’s Poor)
@@skumflum3768 boomer comes from "Baby boomer" which has been the term for that generation for literally decades
You’re a master, Dr. Peterson, of clarifying the ideas of your guests, and getting them to do the same. 🙏
I swear the force is with these 2
I recently came out of a severe depression and I can really resonate with JP when he's searching for a word but it's obscured by mental fog.
Same here!
Same here!!
I don't think it's mental fog, he tends to take his time to make sure he's using the correct wording, he thinks before he speaks.
Thanks for bringing that out , I agree!!
@@SpawnOfMetal I don't think you're a nonce but i'll leave that up to the courts to decide.
I love that no matter the level of agreement, Peterson asks friends and foes alike to fortify their argument. It’s like even if you’re wrong, at least be clear.
Loved it, the thing that really brings me joy is that I find some principles when Jordan speaks that are very similar to the things I was taught by my Father growing up. Thank you !
It's nice to see Jordan recovering. He's seeming like the "old Jordan" now. I was worried we may had lost him.
He is! It took a while tbh. I was very concerned by his first few videos after his treatment, he seemed distant and foggy. I guess recovery truly is a long road...
Unfortunately, he’s no where near the “old Jordan.” In his latest pc w Brett Weinstein, he speaks of how hard it is to just get out of bed. He’s only able to work 2 hours every 3 days.
It was heart wrenching to hear how difficult his daily life is.
I admire his strength.
'Jordan Peterson not at his peak' outperforms 99.99999% of living humans
Damn good point
And 100% of the left.
So you're saying he's in the top 7000 performers?
@@anthonini66 This is a matter of opinion for me, not fact. I couldn't possibly quantify this in an afternoon. But yes, I do believe so.
@@anthonini66 Yes, top 7000 at the very least.
"Those who don't build must burn. It's as old as history and juvenile delinquents."
- Fahrenheit 451
Bit off topic: The thing that always surprises me about that book is that legend has it that Bradbury wrote the novella in nine days, and when asked for an expanded version by his publisher, he doubled the size in another nine days. On a typewriter that he rented, ten cents per hour. It sometimes takes me longer than that to fill in my tax return!
Can't get enough of you, JP, and love your choice of the guests you bring to your table.
The event that Drs Saad and Peterson spoke together, along with Dr Amitay was eye-opening to this stuff way back then, late 2017. It had significant presence and opposition on both sides, seen first hand with my own two eyes. So glad to see you both continuing the path. Best wishes.
Forgot to mention the extra-constitutional changes to election law made by bypassing the state legislatures, the fact that the judiciary did not want to disenfranchise voters (which they ended up doing anyhow) and that the cases were most often dismissed on spurious procedural technicalities rather than the evidence. The dissent, including the Chief Justice, in the Wisconsin State Supreme Court, is pretty telling on some of these issues. Other than that, pretty good analysis. How could he not see how deeply the SJW/woke/critical legal theorists have penetrated the law schools and hence the legal profession? Add to that the common lack of courage in the public square and you have a recipe for disaster. Do I think Trump won? I have no idea.
Well put. Lets see if this comment stays up. Im sad that JP was asleep for 18 months and missed this but i cannot wait to watch him wake up
@Patricik Rubino Yes, yes, yes and yes. I can only echo your salient points and am equally surprised by JBP's take on the matter! I too am a fan and expected better. Regardless, I'm still a fan.
Do I think Trump won? I do.
Pay a visit to Mike Lindell's website and watch the video titled "Absolute Proof." If you don't have time to watch the entire thing, the last 20 to 25 minutes will suffice. You will know with 100% certainty who won after you watch that. There will be no doubt whatsoever in your mind. Then share it with everyone you know. We need to get the word out. Americans need to know, ALL Americans, even if the courts won't do anything with it.
The steal was done right in front of our face and the media metaphorically said "what are you gonna do it about it". JP missed the mark on this one. But I will abandon ideology and let JP's remarks slide.
Not first, not second, just glad to be in the race 🙌🏼💯 Good vibes to everyone here. I appreciate you all...
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You said race, races are a meritocracy.. so what you are SAYING is???????
@@allaboutaddison1997 Relax good Sir/ Miss.. I was merely reacting to the ones who frequently comment "first" or "second" on a post, indicating they are the first or second person to have jumped on the thread and commented. It's a bit of a race to the comments section if you will. Hence my comment.
@@geekonomicI think @all about Addison was just mocking leftists.
@@VincenzoGCosta I see now that is a real possibility. It's hard to tell nowadays wouldn't you agree? Thank you for pointing that out.
Ideology: Knowing the answer to a question before it's been asked.
Great to see you back Dr. Peterson, the world needs you more than ever.
These two titans remind me of the old saying, paraphrased, “one ox can pull 2,000 pounds. Two oxen, working together, can pull 11,000 pounds!” What a pleasure to see and hear and feel this conversation...
Loved the analogy! And there is much manure aka BS to be moved!!
@Hello Tom how are you doing?