*Chapters* 00:00 Why Bear? 02:56 What's Changed 05:51 Not an Off-Roader 08:00 Stiff Suspension 11:02 Riding Position 14:16 Performance 16:15 Brakes, Tyres & Suspension 19:58 Bear vs Interceptor 650 23:00 Everyday Custom or Not 24:25 Price 25:35 What's With The Suspension! 30:53 Global Ambition vs Indian Riders 37:10 Quick Summary 45:39 What's Royal Enfield's Plan 51:03 Good & Bad Motorcycles 53:45 What's Next & Closing Comments *Explore MotorInc memberships* at youtube.com/@motorinc/join
Shumi Do you think Royal Enfield is intentionally promoting smaller companies that make custom shock absorbers and suspension for their bikes by deliberately underperforming or "self-sabotaging" their own products? The idea is that by leaving certain aspects, like suspension, less refined, they might build goodwill with these smaller companies and their customers. This could create a feedback loop where Royal Enfield's reputation grows within the aftermarket community, ultimately boosting sales of models like the RS. It might sound like "banana logic," but if you look at the Himalayan 450, it becomes clear that Royal Enfield understands suspension at a very advanced level. The 450 has one of the most refined suspension systems in its class, designed for high performance and comfort in rugged conditions. So, rather than under developing their products, they may be intentionally leaving room for aftermarket parts to flourish, while also showcasing their own understanding of cutting-edge suspension technology. This strategic balance could help them build a loyal customer base while encouraging innovation from smaller companies, ultimately benefiting both Royal Enfield and its enthusiasts. End of the day its just business.
This is an interesting world that we are living it right now. An Indian manufacturer is making products more suitable for global markets and we have international players like Triumph making products better suited for Indian markets. Looks like RE is taking Indian customers for granted.
@@themeltingpiston...5505 cruising bikes always comes with low HP only. It's just this jokers like op don't know the difference between sports bike and vintages or cruisers
I own a himalayan 450 and when shumi said himalayan does it everyday even my reaction was the same as karthick's at 36:49. And yes its beatiful how himalayan's chassis and suspension work together
As a fifty year old returning motorcyclist in 2022, I wanted a bike which produced more power than the 20 odd BHP of the Classic 350, preferably around 40-50 BHP. Being 6'3" tall and weighing in three figures, the Interceptor did not find favour with me. The Classic 650 was what I thought would be ideal but its launch was more than two years away (then). As an interim measure, I purchased a Classic 350 and it has turned out to be a superb motorcycle, sometimes surprising me with what its power and torque can do. A few short trips around the country side made me realise that Indian roads are most compatible with adventure bikes as far as touring is concerned. So, when the Himalayan 450 was launched, I quickly bought one and it has been a pleasurable ownership experience thus far. I was hoping to buy a 650 cc RE and dispose the Classic 350 but it appears that the wait is going to continue for a while. The Classic 650 weighs 236 kg which is too heavy and Bear (which is such a head Turner) is sadly not for me. Why can't RE give us a good 650 cc bike with a decent rear suspension?
Hey Ranvijay! Since you're big and heavy the Bear's setup might just work out for you. It's the lighter riders who'll struggle the most. Shumi thinks you should go out and get a test ride before you dismiss it.
I think it is a design flaw of this platform. Platform is just a tweaked version of their failed cafe racer 535. I wonder why didn't RE ditch this yet.😢
Brother, I had the test ride again today after your suggestion. This time the road has enough patches to understand the drive experience. Here are my observations, as a biking enthusiast, but not as an automobile expert: 1. Every point you discussed in the video were appearing in my mind evrytime i hit a pothole. My backbone begged me to stop the ride. 2. But the front one is not too bad. It solves the purpose. My wrists and shoulders didnt take much cry. 3. Engine is just muahhh...i wanted to kiss the engine for its amazing performance, but the heat reminded me that i can never kiss any girl later if i do so. I understand its 650cc and heating is obvious. For sometime, i sat alone and thought: 1. All these years, i had driven bikes with mad stiffness due to which my ex gf almost brokeup with me. 2. I dont do offroads. Mostly highways and sometimes roads with potholes. My now GF will no way come to ride with me. So no worry. 3. I wouldn't have thought about the stiffness if bike is priced below 3 lakh. My psychology played football as its costing 4.30lakh on road and giving stiff suspension again as my 1 lakh worth pulsar. So, atleast for me, if i dont mind my money psychology theory, i can manage it. 4. Are yarrr, YSS will come however. My current GF also might break up. No way my pillion seat is occupied. Atleast front is better and i can manage. Rest leaving to Sidharth Lal. Thank you........Taking delivery in feb...Going bankrupt in March...
Bwahahaa 😆 We loved how resolved you are in getting the Bear @ramtamma3249! Thanks for sharing. Let's hope that it turns out better than this...! Congratulations, we wish you lots of fun with it! 😊
Are y'all stupid? Bear Race is the name of a place of a small desert in California in which a guy won a race with a record timing on his own customised RE (still unbroken till this day) and that's why they launched this bike in US, California.
Guys can you do a podcast on modifications like suspension, brakes etc that can help you improve your experience then how would you guys go about tackling the problem and what all companies would you look at.
Key takeaways from my test ride experience of the Bear 650: The power of this bike is IMMACULATE. This was my first time riding a bike above 500cc, and even a twin...and the experience was Gold. The power feels almost endless in city-riding. The brakes on this bike are really optimum for the kind of performance it offers. They can genuinely make you stop at a brim...smtg you'd absolutely expect from a bike this powerful. The handling of this bike is decently good. I can handle much better on my Classic 500...but that simply comes down to the fact that this has a much wider and upright handlebar as compared to the 500, so it makes sense. Again, the handling isn't smtg to talk about...albeit good enough. The vibrations on this bike, as of what i experienced, were almost non-existent...or that is, for me coming from riding a Classic 500 for years now.😅 The clutch on this bike has a very long travel tho. I stalled this bike 3-4 times due to this exact same reason...as i wasn't able to find "the point" in the clutch. Its adjustable tho, so ig that can be sorted out. The weight, for me, didn't really feel that much, except for when in traffic and i had to drag it a bit further. Else, it was very well balanced and confidence inspiring for-sure. Lastly, the suspension of this bike...not smtg i would sing praises of fs. My Classic 500 has a much smoother and (sorta) sophisticated suspension setup that eats up small bumps like biscuits with chai in the morning. For the Bear though, i really didn't feel them to be super-comfortable, but also not absolutely terrible. They were good enough...a statement idk how many of us will be able to live with, given that this bike costs upwards of 4.2 lakhs on-road almost anywhere you go in India. Overall, i thought that the bike was great in terms of its performance, looks, feel and appeal, and mediocre in terms of ride quality and suspension. Will leave the rest to the experts now (Shumi and KK that is...)...thanks for reading.✌️
@@SarthakShivajiGawari I mean, yeah, I totally get that. But the points wherein I compared it to the 500 were the ones I could be absolutely sure about. For example, the suspension...even after being a bike made in 2024, it still doesn't even come close to the 500 in terms of ride quality...smtg you'll also hear resonating with in the episode too. If I do had to compare it, i could probably only do so with the Guerilla 450 or th Himmy 450 cause those are the only other bikes I've ridden from the RE family recently...which still wouldn't make sense cause those are two very different genre bikes than this one. Will probably wait for the upcoming Bear rival from BSA in order to do a rival-comparo. Could also do so with the Interceptor maybe...will see. Anyways, thanks for your opinion/take on my comment and material...helps a lot. Have a good day...✌️👍
You must ride and test other scramblers that are out there, then only you will find that how crappy the overall ride quality(/not the ride feel ) of the Bear 650.@@PureRythm
As an American, one thing I thought really sets RE apart (for the better) was design that included consideration of functioning in the Indian sort of riding environment. If they loose that connection , honestly, its bad for the brand “in California” too. Nobody needs a mediocre bike. The market will speak. But the RE magic is that the beauty derives a lot from its solid utility, reflecting and improving on things from an earlier era where dispatch bikes looked like road bikes but worked fine as both. Making a model to go a little faster is ok, but it should be RE-style and work surprisingly well in traffic, ruts, and dirt roads. Cutting angles, picking shocks for appearance, and paint, well. I sort of like the interceptor personally as far as the twins go. It is what it is and thats pretty ok. Looks like a 60s-70s twin too, which is bonus points. But I still think the RE singles have the magic and the line up is nice, including the new Himalayan. I do like the way that green frame Bear looks though. But nah.
We believe suspension is the Bear's biggest issue @Simulera. That and how long the Interceptor has been around are what's leading us to choose that as the default 650. If the suspension isn't an issue for someone, we don't see why they shouldn't consider the Bear. Take a test ride when you can and let us know what you think.
When Shumi worked for the overdrive magazine, I used to enjoy his articles on motorcycles a lot...loved his attention to minute details...and then for a long time I quit consuming content on motorcycles...but now these videos bring motorcycles back into my life...as they have the same high quality knowledge and intricate details... thanks a lot man for all the details you get into...I thoroughly enjoy these conversations...way better than video reviews other channels are up to... Kudos...keep up the good work
No matter how hard the suspension is on my super meteor 650 .... I always feel " BOY THIS IS WHY I BOUGHT THE BIKE" .. every time i ride it at 120 + on open wide highways ....i completely agree with your feel part at the end of the session
I took test ride of Bear 650 the same day your Goan Classic 350 Video came out. Height difference is good. You can see the traffic and manuevre. It is light. Easy to handle in traffic(easier then shotgun which i own). This bike is a fun machine, i enjoyed the ride really because of siting position. Stiff suspension so you will feel bump as i took it to road under construction in lucknow. I was the first guy to take test ride so engine was brand new so didnt push. Little bulge out on right side which i felt. Vibrations on handle bar for sure. Bike will make u feel the rough patch. Tires were totally new so it will take time to get some grip. You can lean and saddle. i did saddling too but while leaning i felt bike tyres will loose grip anytime if i try to lean more.Coming to performance... Engine was new with a little extra 3-4 bhp which i didnt feel much different. Took it to 70kmph then slowed it down. Brakes are good but not that sharp. You will slow down but remember the tyres are totally different so while braking use caution.But one thing i noticed straight away was shotgun felt much comfortable at higher speed and more confidence inspiring to me. Will take more test rides to see how it performs after engine gets more mature and serviced. Its a fun machine to ride so do take a test ride. Don't think much on that.
@motorinc interceptor is the only bike which i have yet to take test ride of. I started test riding bikes because of Shumi's advice of -"Just take the test ride". Interceptor was out of the box as I was put GT over it. Will surely do take test ride and share my thoughts...
07:13 U sneaky little bear Man that suspension issue and the theory makes so much sense now and it really brings up the question to become a global giant will u give away such a important part in motorcycling and sacrifice your product in the domestic market, it would be really interesting to see what will be the results and their ambition !!
The irony on top of that is RE tests their bikes on indian roads for more than a year and keeps leaking the spy shots. If you have no intention to fix the suspension for indian roads why bother testing for a whole year?
Shumi's expression in thumbnail was exactly what i was expecting when i requested for this in your previous videos. Now RE has 3 'scramblers' Guerilla, Bear and Scram440
@vineethg6259 well, from the side it does look like a scrambler with raised rear and covered front suspension instead of something like a Hunter/Speed.
@@swastiksharma6242I own it , and let me tell you , IT IS A SCRAMBLER AT ITS HEART AND SOUL . It is being pushed to be road bike that it isn’t, good punchy low end torque, flick able chassis and those tyres(only good on off roads). I love it , how it handles everything I throw at it !
@@motorinc options that we would gladly look over to go and buy 400x😂 The moment i first saw that heavy 650 twin on a 'scrambler', i wanted to hear Shumi's opinion on it.
Have seen the first impression of Classic 650 of some reviewers and they said it was already stiff according to UK roads. So going by this Uncle Shumi will have another hearty session for that 😂😂😂
36:16 this entire explanation of karthikeya - it's something that's 70% experienced in cb350 rs... Reason i say 70% is because after a point the RS suspension gives up but still that maharaja feeling with smoothness of engine & generous support from the suspension is 👌👌👌 on the RS I switched to ceat zoom curves on my RS 2 months ago (road/ Street tyres) & man they just make the bike soooooo much BETTER! The MRF zapper kurves just had no traction + very bulky & irritating in cornering
I booked bear 650 thinking they might have addressed the suspension issues. I didn't get a chance to take test ride. I think I will cancel my order because there is no value proposition anymore left. As you have said this would have been the perfect interceptor. I'll save my choice for another. Thanks for this review. Really helped make my choice.
We'd suggest you to still take a test ride @arikshaikmohammad, the setup might work for your use case. And also test ride the Scrambler 400X too. See what you like.
@@motorinc I'm actually taking one tomorrow. Thanks for your reply I wanted to keep one bike for life. Been eyeing on 650 since the release couldn't get one. Now I thought might be right time, but after your review i have second thoughts. Unable to assess how subjective your review is. Would you own it as long term bike
@@arifshaikmohammad Would love to hear your thoughts as well, as the only thing keeping me away from new bikes is Suspension. Didn't like the Himalayan 450 overall stance, so still holding onto my Classic 350 2016 model :")
I have ridden 3 generations of classic 350s (2010, 2016 and currently owned one 2024) and man I hated both the previous ones owned in my family I always used to complain about some (the gear shifting, the heavy tight clutch especially when they caught heat in the sun, vibrating levers and footpegs accelerating after 60 and loosing control and going to the third lanes while I am leaning to cross a national highway corners) I was a bit nervous about my purchase in 2024 for a classic but this machine has improved a lot in those years it's a 99% perfection now in every aspect you expect from this machine and a solid 85% in the traffic too 😌
@motorinc A long story behind it, so first I had only 2 bikes in my mind that tym (Jawa 350 and harley x440) I test rode the jawa and didn't like the engine and overall feedback that bike giving at all and also didn't find the looks that good as shown in pictures. Then harley one's didn't allow me the test ride idk why so I don't bother my mind there. As both the harley (hero) and Royal Enfield agencies are side by side so I thought let's check out royal Enfield too so I test rode 3 bikes 1. meteor 350 didn't like the maneuvering that much and didn't match the character of a cruiser bajaj avenger gives more vibes even with that shitty engine. 2. Classic 350 truly surprised and loved overall 3. Hunter 350 loved that too but find a bit heavy at the front tyres handling was good and light but somehow when the tyre turns it felt heavy on handle bars each tym. Idk if the problem is with that particular machine or overall hunters I asked them also but they were not interested in my questioning they just want to sell me 1 of their products among the three So I booked the classic 350 and got one and currently happy with that decision. 😌
11:34 I was waiting for this, I was not sure if I had the right seat when I was reviewing the Bear650, as it was surprisingly good. This just re ensured that feeling! Thank you Shumi da!
I don't have a vehicle and i don't think i can ever get one of my own but seeing the enthusiasm on their faces is so fulfilling. This channel helps me to go through some very bad days, so thank you Kartikeya Sir , Shumi Sir and team Motorinc for this.
Its just so amazing to think these two guys have changed the automotive journalism scene now. No gimmicky effects and loud music nd glazing brands. They just have a chat like me nd my mates wud have about a car or a motorcycle, be organic nd honest about it and me as the audience just loves to watch their hour long videos without losing interest for even a minute.
As always you two gents ensure that your audience is glued to their respective devices. I totally agree with Shumi's and KS' assessment about the Bear 650. When I first got news of the Bear, as an Interceptor owner, I was super excited. This would have been the perfect upgrade from my Interceptor (which I absolutely love except the wallowy/unpredictable suspension) but now that we hear these horror stories of jitters, I guess I will have to just wait. I think as a do it all motorcycle, the Bear fails. As a motorcycle that is slotted above the GT and the INT, I think it deserves much better suspension hardware. Maybe they could have given a monoshock at the rear and a slightly dialled down version of the Himmy's front suspension. I have not tested the Bear but by Shumi's description of jitters and the shudders, I think you would feel fatigued in about 200 odd kms. This defies the use case of it being a "road scrambler" (with the emphasis being on ROAD). With all that heft carried over from the INT/GT (Sigh!) platform and the added height, it makes things very difficult even on medium intensity trails for someone who is of Indian Standard height (yours truly being 5.7") to truly take on the terrain. So, its neither a good road yacht nor a mountain goat. I feel that this is a wasted opportunity or more like a hasty decision from RE. In my humble opinion, the Scram 440 which is slated for release next year could be a better bike because it seems to have carried over the previous iterations simple but effective suspension, with the added advantages of being lighter than the Bear, having a bigger fuel tank, an option for tubeless (alloys) and of course lower price. Yes one would miss the buttery smooth twin (I would know) but in the end the pros highly outweigh the cons. Looks are subjective and the Bear does take the cake in that aspect but if I have to buy something for looks alone we have many options in the market. Since my brother owns a Triumph Scram 400X, I can attest to Shumi's statement that it is currently the best scrambler in the market and I feel that RE's take on the 440 will be a close second. Only time will tell....
I thought this was going to be the better Interceptor to recommend and would be really comfortable, but RE just laughed in all our faces and proved me wrong. And to disappoint Shumi & Kartikeya more, Honda has the new Activa-E & its bare-bones counterpart coming up!
absolutely LOVE what you both do. stumbled upon your channel a week ago, can’t stop watching your videos now. there couldn’t be a better combination than shumi and kartik
21:57 The default 650 is the Inty - strongly agree. What I don't appreciate about RE is that they have made the default a primer. They need to significantly depart from the default to excite the user with its new offerings. PS : thinking purely from a riders POV who wants more choice - not from the POV of manufacturing challenges.
I got some fix for the bear, only RE replacements. For the rear suspension, the stock suspension can be replaced with the forks from classic, with a little more load and an extender cum spacer in order to get the height same as how much it is given to bear, and yes 20mm lesser travel. And on the front, the usd straight from himalayan, with the extra travel than stock bear, compensating the -20mm from rear Tubeless rims right from himalayan accesories, which will give me an upgrade in the front wheel from 19' to 21'. The wheels can also be taken from Goan as the wheel size will be more or less the same, reducing the chances of changing stress point on the chassis too much. As these changes will bring changes in the stess point, and if these changes don't bring threats, these would be enough to make the bear better.
As a 2023 Interceptor owner, the FOMO is real with every shiny new thing Royal Enfield rolls out. Here’s a company that does it all-organizing rides, building a cult-like community, running riding schools, and, of course, Motoverse. They’ve mastered the art of tapping into the Indian rider’s priorities: style, aspiration, and experience trumping mere functionality. And let’s face it, RE riders are a resourceful bunch-happily chasing down replacement bulbs, upgrading suspension (a must for the Interceptor, and from this video, probably for the Bear too), or swapping wheels. (By the way, I’m on this scavenger hunt myself, haha. Looking for suspension, wheels, and headlights :D) Honestly, this process is as infuriating as it is satisfying-spending 5k on a touring seat sucked, but my backside’s gratitude on long rides almost makes up for it. Almost. Every time RE churns out a “new” model with barely anything different, it’s met with awe. With their low costs and fat cash cows, even a flop SKU barely registers. I can’t wait to see what happens when they finally run out of ways to rehash their old platforms. Fantastic podcast-thanks for the laughs!
Likewise man. INT2023 owner. When I first saw the spy shots of the bear, I was getting ready to swap my INT for it but after this review..no thanks...we will have to wait longer.
I did the Himalayan Odyssey on my Himalayan 411. Being a slowpoke, I usually trailed behind, while those Interceptor guys always zoomed ahead. Except for that one day, Keylong to Kaza. My buddy and I joked about picking chassis over engine, and that's what we did. Funny thing, three years later, it's still the same choice for Royal Enfield buyers.
@@motorinc then how does the comment answering goes by? Like weekly review meeting where shumj kartikeya sits with bunch of employees and they be like "write a reply to that guy like this" or "ignore this one" or "you reply it as you feel" or "ill personally right this one, this one seems interesting"
@@motorinc i love how Shumi once said accurately that this channel's curse is to have a growing audience everyday, as you guys make us feel connected by answering our comments but it's becoming increasingly difficult for you guys to reply as replies per motorinc team member is getting bigger everyday.
15:17 shumi sir doing the correct throttle hand placement without holding the actual throttle speaks immensely about his experience in riding motorcycles. Amazing.
I suggest some tv in the middle so you show some pictures and you guys can comment on it then we audience will understand it better on what point you are trying to make. Something like joe rogan style 😅 but obviously used very minimaly like 2 or 3 times a episode.
This is what Motoring journalism is all about... thankyou for all these conversations, will be waiting for all the upcoming content... Thankyou again😍😍
Keep in mind adult American men weighs around 200 pounds (100 kg) on average and many are way over it! I think bear 650 is made keeping in mind American roads as well as how much Americans weigh!!!
OG content as always. I really think its time every so called reviewer should take these podcasts as reference and, elaborate the actual product this well.! I have watched almost all the reviews from youtube and, found this to be the only one which explains the BEAR as it actually is. Thanks for the work Shumi and Karthik!!
Enjoy listening to you two chatting about bikes, the RE rear suspension situation is quite strange. I’ve ridden a classic 350 down a really bumpy B road and it was easily the equal of my T120 for comfort which I was very surprised at given it’s much shorter wheel travel. Not ridden an Interceptor but you would think the global rear suspension set up would be comfortable not hard ( the 350 is without doubt the most comfortable bike I’ve ever ridden). Rode the Guerrilla and loved its engine and agility, although need to try a Himalayan as I like the sound of its suspension set up given the state of U.K. roads.👍
So, a desert scrambler with bad suspension in the RE world is a bear, then will a desert scrambler with exceptional suspension called a camel? I'm sure they'll find another story. BEHOLD CAMEL 650.
Test drove Bear 650and one thing that stood out for me was how difficult it is to take U turn on this. I have Interceptor but with Bear, it's increased height and effectively higher centre of gravity plus wider handle bars, makes it really awkward n difficult
It's good to see that someone is pointing out the big problems in RE bikes rather than praising the paint and other normal stuff which mean nothing if the suspension is Rock Hard..!!
I really do enjoy your chats and do try and follow your content regularly. Your take on the 250-300cc segment, your take on Suzuki Motorcycles and the Honda confusion with 300F and 300r. I'd like to get your take on these few topics. Best wishes for the good job..
Would love to hear Karthik explain why he loves the Classic so much in a podcast! His passion for the bike is infectious, and it’d be amazing to dive deeper into his thoughts and experiences with it.
I've purchased the Bear 650. Dropping the tyre pressures to 28 Psi in the rear and 26 Psi in the front improved the traction significantly without any noticeable drop in performance. I think this compensates for the reduction in contact patch due to the tread pattern
I tried the bear 650 today for a test ride, 1st It looks great, especially in Wild Honey Colour. It's nice and compact motorcycle and it's hard to tell it's a 650CC engine until you turn on the bike. I personally like the single exhaust system, makes the bike sound and look neat. It has more than enough torque and power. Sitting is somewhat upright, not as comfortable as the Himalayan. It's a bit taller motorcycle, but I (5'6") was able to manage it comfortably in Bangalore traffic. Overall: It's a good bike, but since my use case involves commuting and touring, I still prefer the Himalayan. If you are going to ride it primarily on weekends (200-300km rides), then I'll definitely recommend it.
Thanks for the "beer" walkthrough. Really loved it 😀. Looking forward to the "hippo" 😂 Seriously though, thanks for laying out the "bare" bear facts. Is it worth it if we have to go for a ride and park the bear to get onto a 400x and do the actual thing? 😕 I have been thinking about the Interceptor for a long time but it did not have updates. And I rode the Himalayan in Ladakh recently and loved the way it just floats across the highways. The Bear should have been a mix of the two, but based on your inputs, that doesn't seem to be the case. Now I am wondering if the Interceptor/Bear with a changed suspension is worth the cost or do I go for the Himalayan instead and miss out on the twin cylinder engine! 😅
To us, RE hit the Himalayan right out of the park. It's easily on another level. As to suspension, as it gets older it will soften up somewhat. But at this point it'll feel old/worn, not controlled and comfy... in that order
Bike with barely any changes also has so much to discuss since it has so many nuances for bikers ❤ Shumi and Karthikeya do share the testing process that Motor Inc first follows. Its always important for viewers / enthusiasts / buyers to know hiw bikes are tested. Near term and long term
the more royal enfields Shumi reviews, the more I trust his advice and my choice of scrambler 400x. over 6k kms and a 700km ride, no major issues. Just that the handlebar is very susceptible to bending, one fall the plastic handguard did not break but the handlebar was bent, can't say why it happened but it happened. Otherwise its a brilliant machine, driven through the sudden broken blocks of road and it just maintained the line otherwise I would've fallen in a ditch.
Schumi's sarcasm about the suspension is really bringing smile everytime I hear it. The question I have is that do they have any adjustments to soften the suspenstions? Keen to know about the entire 650 range.
Only one thing keeps popping in my mind - if you see Royal Enfield's(Eicher Motors) investor presentation every quater there is a specific slide where they just place images of media reviews. I wonder whether it is just a placement or they do hear and recognise what people say about their motorcycles..except Classic, Bullet and Himalayan if all other motorcycles have terrible rear suspension do they even acknowledge it? Shumi next time if you meet any of the product development team just ask a question at point blanc about their rear suspension setup? What a wonderful world it would be if few more of RE's motorcycles would have a good rear suspension setup..Goosebumps! Love your reveiws❤❤
Getting an Inty and putting on the Way2Speed suspensions, (for 30k, you get both front and rear as well as labour, they are chennai based) settles both the front and the rear extremely well. I love how planted and steady it feels going over bad roads. Even while leaned over. Plus they add an extra 10mm of travel both front and rear. It flicks so quick even at speeds above 100, stock suspensions even for the KTM 790 don't do that. I've had KTM 390 owners admit that it feels more than their 390s (Factory stock) once it gets rolling.
As a person who took a test ride of the Bear650 I couldn't agree more with Shumi on all the points discussed. Absolutely spot on and what an amazing conversation. Keep up the good work gents. Also humble request to kindly put the Honda CB300r also in your horizon pls.
Note to the editor: instead on my PC, I am watching today's MotorInc on my phone. I noticed that the volume of the video is okay on my PC but somehow it's a bit low on my phone. Maybe it's my phone but other videos are working fine. Do look into. Great job with videos, I like the simplicity of your editing style.
Basically, now we buy RE because we like the way it looks and not how it functions including the Bhalu🧸 650. Except the 4 recommendations mentioned: 🚅, ☄️, Classic 350 & 🏔-an
Hi guys, just dropping some insight on the developments, RE initially wanted the footpegs mounting boss welded on the frame like on the 411 Himalayan. They chucked that part out to keep costs down. The rear subframe kick is fair but they didn't offer longer rear travel as this chassis even with the INT/GT650 wheel travel has rear mudguard fouling with tyre issue when loaded up or 2 up. Any further raise in the seat would mean a re done frame overall as a taller pillion subframe would affect proportions, seat height & swinging the leg over would be cumbersome eventually. Smaller rims plus tyre size would mean lowered GC. A redone frame couldn't feasibility wise accomodate that massive 650cc motor keeping GC & Susp Travel "accessible". For that they have a Himi 750 in the works. You can swap the front rotor with a floating Brembo one of the old 650 twins for harder braking requirements.
@@motorinc I am with you on that, this is such a missed opportunity! I only meant it as some FYI! Just the other night me and my mother were watching the "This Connect" EP on Japanese products today and I see even RE in some sense hesitates changing what working even in the positive direction where its needed. Quite frankly, I sincerely hoped they atleast made a different feel on the motor for each genre. I hold my GT 535 very dear to myself amongst the 3 REs I own but the 650s never made a case strong enough for me to go ahead and upgrade to a 650. Super Meteor had my attention, and my heart but only till I am on the smoothest roads ever ( which is maybe just 2 mins long in Pune no matter where you go ) but their RSUs are too stiff. Stiff even if I account for their running in at 10K kms, they were stiff. FYI, Paioli springs of the 535 with machined spacers work well too just in case ( not for long travel though )
Spot on! This is the repetitive issue we see with the new products too - and we're hoping to see this fixed and behind Royal Enfield as quick as possible.
Another great video gentlemen 😊. A lovely looking bike the Bear 650, though a bit tall for me. But what is it with the recent tendency for overly' stiff rear suspension! I had a Super Meteor 650 this summer which unfortunately I only kept for a few weeks. Spending quite a lot of money on aftermarket shocks made no difference, so it had to go😢 I feel this was mainly to do with the geometry of the set up though. Hopefully, changing the units on the Bear will yield a more satisfactory outcome? And for reference, I'm in the UK where our rapidly degrading roads share some of "features" of nearly every ride with you guys over there 😅
Always wanted to sit and talk to you guys once. Looks like it happened today, such an intense discussion felt I was there, sitting, listening. Had fun tea time today 😅
I really liked Kathik's rubbing the armchair on the Yamaha example in the end. It tells a gazillion stories being a Yamaha fanboy just pure out of emotion. I did some running on the RX100, RX135 and some decent time on the earlier gen FZ and FZ-S (all being borrowed) and the awe and the aspiration on them is CLASSY. I would want a first gen FZ or an RX 135 adhering to the current regulations. I did not dare step into the Yamaha showroom during my last purchase. Kathik's armrest rubbing on Yamaha did rub me somewhere! Perverted Minds!! I meant the HEART. I miss YAMAHA.
My shortlist for the next bike was the Bear, or the Honda CL500 (on the 2nd hand market in the UK it’s cheaper than the bear.) Naturally the decision could not be made until hearing from Motorinc, and what a difference there is compared to the breathless praise that’s uniformly given to the Bear by those lesser motorcycle journalists. Thanks to the team for yet another beautifully produced and truthful video, and for helping me avoid this pretty but flawed machine.
They do indeed @HHH-v06ec, but until our roads gets better as a whole (we're getting there!), the suspension will be a problem... You can restrict yourself to using it only on nice roads but with a bike like this, you shouldn't have to... 🤷
As an interceptor owner one of the first things i did was to set it up with the YSS forks and shocks. By far the best investment decision for the bike. The front handles like a dream now with a night and day difference. The rear is fully adjustable and although it took me a while to figure out the right setting, it is totally game changing. But the entire setup is definitely not as cheap as the 25k difference. It's more like four times that, albeit something worth considering to eliminate the only flaw in the machine.
If you're holding on to the bike forever, this seems like a worthy investment @kapish34, but do you think everybody can (or even should) spend this much money?
@motorinc I agree. Only makes sense if it's a keeper. Having made the changes iteratively made me appreciate how much of a difference a good suspension can make to the riding experience. Great work bringing up the discussion around improvements the end user really needs!
You guys are so spot on with bike reviews, I took a test drive and suspension was like welded to the swingarm, keep making honest reviews like this cheers 🍻
Two questions, 1) Only the Rear Suspension is Bad or both are Equally bad for our Roads? 2) Can lower the tire pressure will improve things? Thank you.
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*Chapters*
00:00 Why Bear?
02:56 What's Changed
05:51 Not an Off-Roader
08:00 Stiff Suspension
11:02 Riding Position
14:16 Performance
16:15 Brakes, Tyres & Suspension
19:58 Bear vs Interceptor 650
23:00 Everyday Custom or Not
24:25 Price
25:35 What's With The Suspension!
30:53 Global Ambition vs Indian Riders
37:10 Quick Summary
45:39 What's Royal Enfield's Plan
51:03 Good & Bad Motorcycles
53:45 What's Next & Closing Comments
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@@motorinc what about mileage sir
2 buckets of honey
Shumi Do you think Royal Enfield is intentionally promoting smaller companies that make custom shock absorbers and suspension for their bikes by deliberately underperforming or "self-sabotaging" their own products? The idea is that by leaving certain aspects, like suspension, less refined, they might build goodwill with these smaller companies and their customers. This could create a feedback loop where Royal Enfield's reputation grows within the aftermarket community, ultimately boosting sales of models like the RS.
It might sound like "banana logic," but if you look at the Himalayan 450, it becomes clear that Royal Enfield understands suspension at a very advanced level. The 450 has one of the most refined suspension systems in its class, designed for high performance and comfort in rugged conditions. So, rather than under developing their products, they may be intentionally leaving room for aftermarket parts to flourish, while also showcasing their own understanding of cutting-edge suspension technology. This strategic balance could help them build a loyal customer base while encouraging innovation from smaller companies, ultimately benefiting both Royal Enfield and its enthusiasts.
End of the day its just business.
This is an interesting world that we are living it right now. An Indian manufacturer is making products more suitable for global markets and we have international players like Triumph making products better suited for Indian markets. Looks like RE is taking Indian customers for granted.
True! So true!
Indians making global bikes, foreigners making Indian ones, and RE? Well, they're just RE-lying on us.
Indian RE buyers are Anglophone ( ref. "Royal", "Enfield") Patriots ???
That 'barely' crossed my mind!! So true man!
both conditions are pretty normal. We also have indian manufacturers not making suitable bikes for indians too.
RE Hippo- 1800 cc Goldwing-type tourer that weighs like 500 kg but still makes 55 bhp.
And still beats everyone in sales
🦛😂
Correct me if I'm wrong..
Honda goldwing 1833cc ,125 horses 170nm torque weight around 390kg..
@@themeltingpiston...5505 cruising bikes always comes with low HP only. It's just this jokers like op don't know the difference between sports bike and vintages or cruisers
@@gobimurugesan2411 Who is op
Bear, Guerrilla...
Can't wait for Godzilla 650
Like a huge bobber
Godzilla might be a 750😂😂😂
By that logic I guess king kong 650 will make sense too😂😂
Godzilla name is trademarked though..... Bahubali perhaps..
@@kurroth chi
Me Everyday: I am going to buy one of the RE 650s today.
Shumi: Come here boy!!!
More like., Shumi: Hold my beer.
You can get a base Interceptor and mod it to your ergo and it will be the best bike for you.
@@Dhaadikaaran dont u mean... Hold my Bear*
haha
I own a himalayan 450 and when shumi said himalayan does it everyday even my reaction was the same as karthick's at 36:49. And yes its beatiful how himalayan's chassis and suspension work together
As a fifty year old returning motorcyclist in 2022, I wanted a bike which produced more power than the 20 odd BHP of the Classic 350, preferably around 40-50 BHP. Being 6'3" tall and weighing in three figures, the Interceptor did not find favour with me. The Classic 650 was what I thought would be ideal but its launch was more than two years away (then). As an interim measure, I purchased a Classic 350 and it has turned out to be a superb motorcycle, sometimes surprising me with what its power and torque can do. A few short trips around the country side made me realise that Indian roads are most compatible with adventure bikes as far as touring is concerned. So, when the Himalayan 450 was launched, I quickly bought one and it has been a pleasurable ownership experience thus far. I was hoping to buy a 650 cc RE and dispose the Classic 350 but it appears that the wait is going to continue for a while. The Classic 650 weighs 236 kg which is too heavy and Bear (which is such a head Turner) is sadly not for me. Why can't RE give us a good 650 cc bike with a decent rear suspension?
Hey Ranvijay! Since you're big and heavy the Bear's setup might just work out for you. It's the lighter riders who'll struggle the most. Shumi thinks you should go out and get a test ride before you dismiss it.
You could always get a custom suspension from YSS for any of the 650 twins.
Factor it in your budget.
I think it is a design flaw of this platform. Platform is just a tweaked version of their failed cafe racer 535. I wonder why didn't RE ditch this yet.😢
Brother, I had the test ride again today after your suggestion. This time the road has enough patches to understand the drive experience. Here are my observations, as a biking enthusiast, but not as an automobile expert:
1. Every point you discussed in the video were appearing in my mind evrytime i hit a pothole. My backbone begged me to stop the ride.
2. But the front one is not too bad. It solves the purpose. My wrists and shoulders didnt take much cry.
3. Engine is just muahhh...i wanted to kiss the engine for its amazing performance, but the heat reminded me that i can never kiss any girl later if i do so. I understand its 650cc and heating is obvious.
For sometime, i sat alone and thought:
1. All these years, i had driven bikes with mad stiffness due to which my ex gf almost brokeup with me.
2. I dont do offroads. Mostly highways and sometimes roads with potholes. My now GF will no way come to ride with me. So no worry.
3. I wouldn't have thought about the stiffness if bike is priced below 3 lakh. My psychology played football as its costing 4.30lakh on road and giving stiff suspension again as my 1 lakh worth pulsar. So, atleast for me, if i dont mind my money psychology theory, i can manage it.
4. Are yarrr, YSS will come however. My current GF also might break up. No way my pillion seat is occupied. Atleast front is better and i can manage. Rest leaving to Sidharth Lal.
Thank you........Taking delivery in feb...Going bankrupt in March...
Bwahahaa 😆 We loved how resolved you are in getting the Bear @ramtamma3249! Thanks for sharing. Let's hope that it turns out better than this...! Congratulations, we wish you lots of fun with it! 😊
Now you have given them an idea ... the next bike will be called the "Fox" 650? 450? 250? "I want to believe"
🤡😂
😂😂😂
It will be chimpanzee bro
@@shubhjamuar3363 Black Baboon 350 it'll be a classic 350 on stilts
Are y'all stupid? Bear Race is the name of a place of a small desert in California in which a guy won a race with a record timing on his own customised RE (still unbroken till this day) and that's why they launched this bike in US, California.
As a huge fan of Eddie Van Halen , I'm totally happy Shumi name drops all 80s rock references , rocknroll and bikes always hand in hand
He's an 80s kid
Oh man! Once I start watching them having the best friend conversation I can't stop watching and giggling like it's such a joy.
❤️
Guys can you do a podcast on modifications like suspension, brakes etc that can help you improve your experience then how would you guys go about tackling the problem and what all companies would you look at.
Thanks for the suggestion @chaitanyadubey2914
Yeah definitely a THISCONNECT (for everyone and not just members) is needed for this
Key takeaways from my test ride experience of the Bear 650:
The power of this bike is IMMACULATE. This was my first time riding a bike above 500cc, and even a twin...and the experience was Gold. The power feels almost endless in city-riding.
The brakes on this bike are really optimum for the kind of performance it offers. They can genuinely make you stop at a brim...smtg you'd absolutely expect from a bike this powerful.
The handling of this bike is decently good. I can handle much better on my Classic 500...but that simply comes down to the fact that this has a much wider and upright handlebar as compared to the 500, so it makes sense. Again, the handling isn't smtg to talk about...albeit good enough.
The vibrations on this bike, as of what i experienced, were almost non-existent...or that is, for me coming from riding a Classic 500 for years now.😅
The clutch on this bike has a very long travel tho. I stalled this bike 3-4 times due to this exact same reason...as i wasn't able to find "the point" in the clutch. Its adjustable tho, so ig that can be sorted out.
The weight, for me, didn't really feel that much, except for when in traffic and i had to drag it a bit further. Else, it was very well balanced and confidence inspiring for-sure.
Lastly, the suspension of this bike...not smtg i would sing praises of fs. My Classic 500 has a much smoother and (sorta) sophisticated suspension setup that eats up small bumps like biscuits with chai in the morning. For the Bear though, i really didn't feel them to be super-comfortable, but also not absolutely terrible. They were good enough...a statement idk how many of us will be able to live with, given that this bike costs upwards of 4.2 lakhs on-road almost anywhere you go in India.
Overall, i thought that the bike was great in terms of its performance, looks, feel and appeal, and mediocre in terms of ride quality and suspension.
Will leave the rest to the experts now (Shumi and KK that is...)...thanks for reading.✌️
Thanks for sharing your experience @PureRhythm! Helps.
Any new RE compared to 500 is literally ages ahead.
Compare it with the competition, there is where isn’t creating a USP
@@SarthakShivajiGawari I mean, yeah, I totally get that.
But the points wherein I compared it to the 500 were the ones I could be absolutely sure about. For example, the suspension...even after being a bike made in 2024, it still doesn't even come close to the 500 in terms of ride quality...smtg you'll also hear resonating with in the episode too.
If I do had to compare it, i could probably only do so with the Guerilla 450 or th Himmy 450 cause those are the only other bikes I've ridden from the RE family recently...which still wouldn't make sense cause those are two very different genre bikes than this one.
Will probably wait for the upcoming Bear rival from BSA in order to do a rival-comparo. Could also do so with the Interceptor maybe...will see.
Anyways, thanks for your opinion/take on my comment and material...helps a lot.
Have a good day...✌️👍
What would be good replacement suspension? As I booked one
You must ride and test other scramblers that are out there, then only you will find that how crappy the overall ride quality(/not the ride feel ) of the Bear 650.@@PureRythm
Cant wait for re to launch the Bengal tiger 750
But isn't the tiger trademark with triumph
Though I am expecting the Corbett Elephant 750 😂😂
@@kshitijpandey6514 Baagh 750 then 🤣
More like bhediya 750😂
Sorry, Triumph already had dibs on that name
@@warewolf7509 Since Tiger is taken by Triumph.....i bet they'll go for the Gir Lion next. 😝
Bhaalu is here!
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Kabeera next.
56:04 Kartik's reaction to Brixton is literally all of us 😂😂
As an American, one thing I thought really sets RE apart (for the better) was design that included consideration of functioning in the Indian sort of riding environment. If they loose that connection , honestly, its bad for the brand “in California” too. Nobody needs a mediocre bike. The market will speak. But the RE magic is that the beauty derives a lot from its solid utility, reflecting and improving on things from an earlier era where dispatch bikes looked like road bikes but worked fine as both. Making a model to go a little faster is ok, but it should be RE-style and work surprisingly well in traffic, ruts, and dirt roads. Cutting angles, picking shocks for appearance, and paint, well. I sort of like the interceptor personally as far as the twins go. It is what it is and thats pretty ok. Looks like a 60s-70s twin too, which is bonus points. But I still think the RE singles have the magic and the line up is nice, including the new Himalayan. I do like the way that green frame Bear looks though. But nah.
We believe suspension is the Bear's biggest issue @Simulera. That and how long the Interceptor has been around are what's leading us to choose that as the default 650. If the suspension isn't an issue for someone, we don't see why they shouldn't consider the Bear. Take a test ride when you can and let us know what you think.
When Shumi worked for the overdrive magazine, I used to enjoy his articles on motorcycles a lot...loved his attention to minute details...and then for a long time I quit consuming content on motorcycles...but now these videos bring motorcycles back into my life...as they have the same high quality knowledge and intricate details... thanks a lot man for all the details you get into...I thoroughly enjoy these conversations...way better than video reviews other channels are up to... Kudos...keep up the good work
No matter how hard the suspension is on my super meteor 650 .... I always feel " BOY THIS IS WHY I BOUGHT THE BIKE" .. every time i ride it at 120 + on open wide highways ....i completely agree with your feel part at the end of the session
I took test ride of Bear 650 the same day your Goan Classic 350 Video came out. Height difference is good. You can see the traffic and manuevre. It is light. Easy to handle in traffic(easier then shotgun which i own). This bike is a fun machine, i enjoyed the ride really because of siting position. Stiff suspension so you will feel bump as i took it to road under construction in lucknow. I was the first guy to take test ride so engine was brand new so didnt push. Little bulge out on right side which i felt. Vibrations on handle bar for sure. Bike will make u feel the rough patch. Tires were totally new so it will take time to get some grip. You can lean and saddle. i did saddling too but while leaning i felt bike tyres will loose grip anytime if i try to lean more.Coming to performance... Engine was new with a little extra 3-4 bhp which i didnt feel much different. Took it to 70kmph then slowed it down. Brakes are good but not that sharp. You will slow down but remember the tyres are totally different so while braking use caution.But one thing i noticed straight away was shotgun felt much comfortable at higher speed and more confidence inspiring to me. Will take more test rides to see how it performs after engine gets more mature and serviced. Its a fun machine to ride so do take a test ride. Don't think much on that.
Do keep us posted @navneetakash4138, have you ridden an Interceptor before? What do you think of that?
@motorinc interceptor is the only bike which i have yet to take test ride of. I started test riding bikes because of Shumi's advice of -"Just take the test ride". Interceptor was out of the box as I was put GT over it. Will surely do take test ride and share my thoughts...
2:44 Honestly the first thing that comes to my mind is Bear Grylls
The other, more famous Bear of course @rishitsinha8041
07:13 U sneaky little bear
Man that suspension issue and the theory makes so much sense now and it really brings up the question to become a global giant will u give away such a important part in motorcycling and sacrifice your product in the domestic market, it would be really interesting to see what will be the results and their ambition !!
The irony on top of that is RE tests their bikes on indian roads for more than a year and keeps leaking the spy shots.
If you have no intention to fix the suspension for indian roads why bother testing for a whole year?
We're interested too @chiranjeetsantra28!
Shumi's expression in thumbnail was exactly what i was expecting when i requested for this in your previous videos.
Now RE has 3 'scramblers' Guerilla, Bear and Scram440
RE does not call Guerrilla a scrambler, but a roadster like Speed 400. A proper scrambler based on the Sherpa 450 is yet to come.
@vineethg6259 well, from the side it does look like a scrambler with raised rear and covered front suspension instead of something like a Hunter/Speed.
It's good that we have options @swastiksharma6242! 😅
@@swastiksharma6242I own it , and let me tell you ,
IT IS A SCRAMBLER AT ITS HEART AND SOUL .
It is being pushed to be road bike that it isn’t, good punchy low end torque, flick able chassis and those tyres(only good on off roads).
I love it , how it handles everything I throw at it !
@@motorinc options that we would gladly look over to go and buy 400x😂
The moment i first saw that heavy 650 twin on a 'scrambler', i wanted to hear Shumi's opinion on it.
Have seen the first impression of Classic 650 of some reviewers and they said it was already stiff according to UK roads. So going by this Uncle Shumi will have another hearty session for that 😂😂😂
Was eagerly waiting for this Shumi !!!
😊
36:16 this entire explanation of karthikeya - it's something that's 70% experienced in cb350 rs... Reason i say 70% is because after a point the RS suspension gives up but still that maharaja feeling with smoothness of engine & generous support from the suspension is 👌👌👌 on the RS
I switched to ceat zoom curves on my RS 2 months ago (road/ Street tyres) & man they just make the bike soooooo much BETTER! The MRF zapper kurves just had no traction + very bulky & irritating in cornering
I hope this BEAR does not Hibernate too much. 😂
At 7:12 a small teddy bear apoears and disappears. 🧸
Let us tell you a secret @sayanmandal2246! (There are more! 😉)
37:19 it went bro 😂😂
There's a PEAR too
@@motorinc Yeah. I did notice the 🍐 Sorry 🐻❄️ too. 🤓
36:53 karthikeya is lusting towards the Himalayan suspension like he's a looking an fashion model😅
I booked bear 650 thinking they might have addressed the suspension issues.
I didn't get a chance to take test ride. I think I will cancel my order because there is no value proposition anymore left. As you have said this would have been the perfect interceptor.
I'll save my choice for another. Thanks for this review.
Really helped make my choice.
Triumph Scrambler 400X seems to be a good buy.
@@gohan12991 yes it has impeccable quality supposedly. Man I was hoping RE would have sorted suspension out.. Loved the outlook of the bike
We'd suggest you to still take a test ride @arikshaikmohammad, the setup might work for your use case. And also test ride the Scrambler 400X too. See what you like.
@@motorinc I'm actually taking one tomorrow. Thanks for your reply
I wanted to keep one bike for life. Been eyeing on 650 since the release couldn't get one. Now I thought might be right time, but after your review i have second thoughts.
Unable to assess how subjective your review is.
Would you own it as long term bike
@@arifshaikmohammad Would love to hear your thoughts as well, as the only thing keeping me away from new bikes is Suspension. Didn't like the Himalayan 450 overall stance, so still holding onto my Classic 350 2016 model :")
I have ridden 3 generations of classic 350s (2010, 2016 and currently owned one 2024) and man I hated both the previous ones owned in my family
I always used to complain about some (the gear shifting, the heavy tight clutch especially when they caught heat in the sun, vibrating levers and footpegs accelerating after 60 and loosing control and going to the third lanes while I am leaning to cross a national highway corners)
I was a bit nervous about my purchase in 2024 for a classic but this machine has improved a lot in those years it's a 99% perfection now in every aspect you expect from this machine and a solid 85% in the traffic too 😌
That's a good ending @paraskaushik2916! What made you get a Classic again after not liking the other two?
@motorinc A long story behind it, so first I had only 2 bikes in my mind that tym (Jawa 350 and harley x440) I test rode the jawa and didn't like the engine and overall feedback that bike giving at all and also didn't find the looks that good as shown in pictures.
Then harley one's didn't allow me the test ride idk why so I don't bother my mind there.
As both the harley (hero) and Royal Enfield agencies are side by side so I thought let's check out royal Enfield too so I test rode 3 bikes
1. meteor 350 didn't like the maneuvering that much and didn't match the character of a cruiser bajaj avenger gives more vibes even with that shitty engine.
2. Classic 350 truly surprised and loved overall
3. Hunter 350 loved that too but find a bit heavy at the front tyres handling was good and light but somehow when the tyre turns it felt heavy on handle bars each tym. Idk if the problem is with that particular machine or overall hunters I asked them also but they were not interested in my questioning they just want to sell me 1 of their products among the three
So I booked the classic 350 and got one and currently happy with that decision. 😌
11:34 I was waiting for this, I was not sure if I had the right seat when I was reviewing the Bear650, as it was surprisingly good. This just re ensured that feeling! Thank you Shumi da!
Our pleasure, SG!
I don't have a vehicle and i don't think i can ever get one of my own but seeing the enthusiasm on their faces is so fulfilling. This channel helps me to go through some very bad days, so thank you Kartikeya Sir , Shumi Sir and team Motorinc for this.
Thanks for your love ❤️
@yuribezmenov9439 never stop dreaming and working your way towards it!
Well the Bear cameos were out of box great creativity 😂😂
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Its just so amazing to think these two guys have changed the automotive journalism scene now. No gimmicky effects and loud music nd glazing brands. They just have a chat like me nd my mates wud have about a car or a motorcycle, be organic nd honest about it and me as the audience just loves to watch their hour long videos without losing interest for even a minute.
😊 Love to hear that @pritesh.s! Thanks for sharing...
The bear reference at 7:12 had me in splits.
😅
As always you two gents ensure that your audience is glued to their respective devices.
I totally agree with Shumi's and KS' assessment about the Bear 650.
When I first got news of the Bear, as an Interceptor owner, I was super excited. This would have been the perfect upgrade from my Interceptor (which I absolutely love except the wallowy/unpredictable suspension) but now that we hear these horror stories of jitters, I guess I will have to just wait.
I think as a do it all motorcycle, the Bear fails. As a motorcycle that is slotted above the GT and the INT, I think it deserves much better suspension hardware. Maybe they could have given a monoshock at the rear and a slightly dialled down version of the Himmy's front suspension.
I have not tested the Bear but by Shumi's description of jitters and the shudders, I think you would feel fatigued in about 200 odd kms. This defies the use case of it being a "road scrambler" (with the emphasis being on ROAD). With all that heft carried over from the INT/GT (Sigh!) platform and the added height, it makes things very difficult even on medium intensity trails for someone who is of Indian Standard height (yours truly being 5.7") to truly take on the terrain. So, its neither a good road yacht nor a mountain goat.
I feel that this is a wasted opportunity or more like a hasty decision from RE. In my humble opinion, the Scram 440 which is slated for release next year could be a better bike because it seems to have carried over the previous iterations simple but effective suspension, with the added advantages of being lighter than the Bear, having a bigger fuel tank, an option for tubeless (alloys) and of course lower price.
Yes one would miss the buttery smooth twin (I would know) but in the end the pros highly outweigh the cons. Looks are subjective and the Bear does take the cake in that aspect but if I have to buy something for looks alone we have many options in the market.
Since my brother owns a Triumph Scram 400X, I can attest to Shumi's statement that it is currently the best scrambler in the market and I feel that RE's take on the 440 will be a close second. Only time will tell....
Thanks for taking the time to share your detailed feedback @ashinterceptor!
I thought this was going to be the better Interceptor to recommend and would be really comfortable, but RE just laughed in all our faces and proved me wrong. And to disappoint Shumi & Kartikeya more, Honda has the new Activa-E & its bare-bones counterpart coming up!
We hoped so too @revsandwheels!
absolutely LOVE what you both do. stumbled upon your channel a week ago, can’t stop watching your videos now. there couldn’t be a better combination than shumi and kartik
Welcome to MotorInc! Glad you're enjoying the experience. 😊
21:57 The default 650 is the Inty - strongly agree. What I don't appreciate about RE is that they have made the default a primer. They need to significantly depart from the default to excite the user with its new offerings. PS : thinking purely from a riders POV who wants more choice - not from the POV of manufacturing challenges.
The sad thing is, this could've been all that @JijoMojo!
@@motorinc Shumi was ofcourse lying about RE prioritizing some global certification in lieu of better suspensions... kasam se!! 😂
I got some fix for the bear, only RE replacements. For the rear suspension, the stock suspension can be replaced with the forks from classic, with a little more load and an extender cum spacer in order to get the height same as how much it is given to bear, and yes 20mm lesser travel. And on the front, the usd straight from himalayan, with the extra travel than stock bear, compensating the -20mm from rear Tubeless rims right from himalayan accesories, which will give me an upgrade in the front wheel from 19' to 21'. The wheels can also be taken from Goan as the wheel size will be more or less the same, reducing the chances of changing stress point on the chassis too much. As these changes will bring changes in the stess point, and if these changes don't bring threats, these would be enough to make the bear better.
That's a LOT of changes @satyaprakash.nath.!
Haaa... Great start for the day!
🤜🤛 Morning Tushar!
As a 2023 Interceptor owner, the FOMO is real with every shiny new thing Royal Enfield rolls out.
Here’s a company that does it all-organizing rides, building a cult-like community, running riding schools, and, of course, Motoverse. They’ve mastered the art of tapping into the Indian rider’s priorities: style, aspiration, and experience trumping mere functionality. And let’s face it, RE riders are a resourceful bunch-happily chasing down replacement bulbs, upgrading suspension (a must for the Interceptor, and from this video, probably for the Bear too), or swapping wheels. (By the way, I’m on this scavenger hunt myself, haha. Looking for suspension, wheels, and headlights :D)
Honestly, this process is as infuriating as it is satisfying-spending 5k on a touring seat sucked, but my backside’s gratitude on long rides almost makes up for it. Almost.
Every time RE churns out a “new” model with barely anything different, it’s met with awe. With their low costs and fat cash cows, even a flop SKU barely registers.
I can’t wait to see what happens when they finally run out of ways to rehash their old platforms.
Fantastic podcast-thanks for the laughs!
Likewise man. INT2023 owner. When I first saw the spy shots of the bear, I was getting ready to swap my INT for it but after this review..no thanks...we will have to wait longer.
Nice way to summarise it @anaysingh6779! We hope that they don't until it gets to that and change priorities sooner!
I did the Himalayan Odyssey on my Himalayan 411. Being a slowpoke, I usually trailed behind, while those Interceptor guys always zoomed ahead. Except for that one day, Keylong to Kaza. My buddy and I joked about picking chassis over engine, and that's what we did. Funny thing, three years later, it's still the same choice for Royal Enfield buyers.
You said it, AB!
Does shumi ever read the comments ?
He most certainly does @yohanmychal! 😊
@@motorinc then how does the comment answering goes by? Like weekly review meeting where shumj kartikeya sits with bunch of employees and they be like "write a reply to that guy like this" or "ignore this one" or "you reply it as you feel" or "ill personally right this one, this one seems interesting"
Oh we're constantly in the comments, it's not a meeting-meeting game for us.
@@motorinc i love how Shumi once said accurately that this channel's curse is to have a growing audience everyday, as you guys make us feel connected by answering our comments but it's becoming increasingly difficult for you guys to reply as replies per motorinc team member is getting bigger everyday.
15:17 shumi sir doing the correct throttle hand placement without holding the actual throttle speaks immensely about his experience in riding motorcycles.
Amazing.
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50:18 HIMALAYAN - HIMA LION 😂😂
Finally the first bike for an tall human from RE ♥️ I have to testride one next year here in Germany
Let us know what you think when you do @JochenThe1
Thanks SS Shumimauli
Still I will go for hf 100
8:44 but hunter will still be trash
Ooh yes Yamaha underpowered outdated 150cc fzs
Best review & conversation so far , that covers all the details and 650’s in the RE line up !
I suggest some tv in the middle so you show some pictures and you guys can comment on it then we audience will understand it better on what point you are trying to make.
Something like joe rogan style 😅 but obviously used very minimaly like 2 or 3 times a episode.
Thanks for the suggestion @paroxymal7688!
This is what Motoring journalism is all about... thankyou for all these conversations, will be waiting for all the upcoming content... Thankyou again😍😍
Our pleasure! Thanks for watching, Shivank
Keep in mind adult American men weighs around 200 pounds (100 kg) on average and many are way over it!
I think bear 650 is made keeping in mind American roads as well as how much Americans weigh!!!
Yes, on American roads, even with a reasonable weight, you'd be fine on the Bear in most riding situations.
OG content as always. I really think its time every so called reviewer should take these podcasts as reference and, elaborate the actual product this well.! I have watched almost all the reviews from youtube and, found this to be the only one which explains the BEAR as it actually is. Thanks for the work Shumi and Karthik!!
Glad that you found it useful @1nOnlySB
Enjoy listening to you two chatting about bikes, the RE rear suspension situation is quite strange. I’ve ridden a classic 350 down a really bumpy B road and it was easily the equal of my T120 for comfort which I was very surprised at given it’s much shorter wheel travel. Not ridden an Interceptor but you would think the global rear suspension set up would be comfortable not hard ( the 350 is without doubt the most comfortable bike I’ve ever ridden).
Rode the Guerrilla and loved its engine and agility, although need to try a Himalayan as I like the sound of its suspension set up given the state of U.K. roads.👍
So, a desert scrambler with bad suspension in the RE world is a bear, then
will a desert scrambler with exceptional suspension called a camel? I'm sure they'll find another story.
BEHOLD CAMEL 650.
Test drove Bear 650and one thing that stood out for me was how difficult it is to take U turn on this. I have Interceptor but with Bear, it's increased height and effectively higher centre of gravity plus wider handle bars, makes it really awkward n difficult
Thanks for sharing @MrSach2910
Although I enjoyed the review so much, the review of W175 with the milk can in the corner is still the peak of motorincs reviews.
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It's good to see that someone is pointing out the big problems in RE bikes rather than praising the paint and other normal stuff which mean nothing if the suspension is Rock Hard..!!
Shumi reminds me of Dr. House..! 😊
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Brothers, you are so awesome that I 'barely' noticed an hour pass by :)
8:08 constructive criticism peaked here... 😂😂😂
I really do enjoy your chats and do try and follow your content regularly.
Your take on the 250-300cc segment, your take on Suzuki Motorcycles and the Honda confusion with 300F and 300r.
I'd like to get your take on these few topics.
Best wishes for the good job..
Would love to hear Karthik explain why he loves the Classic so much in a podcast! His passion for the bike is infectious, and it’d be amazing to dive deeper into his thoughts and experiences with it.
I've purchased the Bear 650. Dropping the tyre pressures to 28 Psi in the rear and 26 Psi in the front improved the traction significantly without any noticeable drop in performance. I think this compensates for the reduction in contact patch due to the tread pattern
Thanks for sharing @anandprabuspeed! Congratulations, we wish you to have a lot of fun with it.
I tried the bear 650 today for a test ride, 1st It looks great, especially in Wild Honey Colour. It's nice and compact motorcycle and it's hard to tell it's a 650CC engine until you turn on the bike. I personally like the single exhaust system, makes the bike sound and look neat. It has more than enough torque and power. Sitting is somewhat upright, not as comfortable as the Himalayan. It's a bit taller motorcycle, but I (5'6") was able to manage it comfortably in Bangalore traffic. Overall: It's a good bike, but since my use case involves commuting and touring, I still prefer the Himalayan. If you are going to ride it primarily on weekends (200-300km rides), then I'll definitely recommend it.
Really enjoy your chats here in UK.
Thanks @markdrummond7! 🤜🤛
This podcast is making me more and more sure to go for Scrambler 400x!
We'd suggest a test ride of both for sure @AryanChaudhary-x2p! Do you have anything else in your consideration?
Thanks for the "beer" walkthrough. Really loved it 😀. Looking forward to the "hippo" 😂
Seriously though, thanks for laying out the "bare" bear facts. Is it worth it if we have to go for a ride and park the bear to get onto a 400x and do the actual thing? 😕
I have been thinking about the Interceptor for a long time but it did not have updates. And I rode the Himalayan in Ladakh recently and loved the way it just floats across the highways. The Bear should have been a mix of the two, but based on your inputs, that doesn't seem to be the case.
Now I am wondering if the Interceptor/Bear with a changed suspension is worth the cost or do I go for the Himalayan instead and miss out on the twin cylinder engine! 😅
Does the suspension need something like a breaking in? Does it ease out later?
To us, RE hit the Himalayan right out of the park. It's easily on another level.
As to suspension, as it gets older it will soften up somewhat. But at this point it'll feel old/worn, not controlled and comfy... in that order
@@motorinc thanks 👍
15:42 totally on point. While i am watching the video i am feeling like i am right there in the conversation so i feel the urge to comment 😂
Bike with barely any changes also has so much to discuss since it has so many nuances for bikers ❤ Shumi and Karthikeya do share the testing process that Motor Inc first follows. Its always important for viewers / enthusiasts / buyers to know hiw bikes are tested. Near term and long term
the more royal enfields Shumi reviews, the more I trust his advice and my choice of scrambler 400x. over 6k kms and a 700km ride, no major issues. Just that the handlebar is very susceptible to bending, one fall the plastic handguard did not break but the handlebar was bent, can't say why it happened but it happened. Otherwise its a brilliant machine, driven through the sudden broken blocks of road and it just maintained the line otherwise I would've fallen in a ditch.
Schumi's sarcasm about the suspension is really bringing smile everytime I hear it. The question I have is that do they have any adjustments to soften the suspenstions? Keen to know about the entire 650 range.
Only one thing keeps popping in my mind - if you see Royal Enfield's(Eicher Motors) investor presentation every quater there is a specific slide where they just place images of media reviews. I wonder whether it is just a placement or they do hear and recognise what people say about their motorcycles..except Classic, Bullet and Himalayan if all other motorcycles have terrible rear suspension do they even acknowledge it? Shumi next time if you meet any of the product development team just ask a question at point blanc about their rear suspension setup? What a wonderful world it would be if few more of RE's motorcycles would have a good rear suspension setup..Goosebumps! Love your reveiws❤❤
Getting an Inty and putting on the Way2Speed suspensions, (for 30k, you get both front and rear as well as labour, they are chennai based) settles both the front and the rear extremely well.
I love how planted and steady it feels going over bad roads. Even while leaned over.
Plus they add an extra 10mm of travel both front and rear.
It flicks so quick even at speeds above 100, stock suspensions even for the KTM 790 don't do that. I've had KTM 390 owners admit that it feels more than their 390s (Factory stock) once it gets rolling.
That's awesome to hear @tarunprabhu2562, sounds like a lot of fun!
As a person who took a test ride of the Bear650 I couldn't agree more with Shumi on all the points discussed. Absolutely spot on and what an amazing conversation. Keep up the good work gents. Also humble request to kindly put the Honda CB300r also in your horizon pls.
Thank you for tuning in and for the suggestion, Melwin! ❤️
Lovely review, as always. For an RE enthusiast, looks like a pet project opportunity - new suspension, tyres and brakes to make it complete!
But how many would be willing to spend the money is the question @Don_Mitchell
I can’t believe I watched a one hour long video of a bike I’m not even planning to buy. This is how good you guys are 👏🏼
Thanks, we’re happy you enjoyed it! 🤗
the way you guys looks at bike is incredible
Note to the editor: instead on my PC, I am watching today's MotorInc on my phone. I noticed that the volume of the video is okay on my PC but somehow it's a bit low on my phone. Maybe it's my phone but other videos are working fine. Do look into. Great job with videos, I like the simplicity of your editing style.
Thanks for the feedback @karun_vv7190
Truly love my Continental GT every morning ❤️
Not that I’ve tried any other 650cc, but this one just goes and gives a smile.
That's all you need from a motorcycle @sanjaydeovrat 😊
Basically, now we buy RE because we like the way it looks and not how it functions including the Bhalu🧸 650.
Except the 4 recommendations mentioned: 🚅, ☄️, Classic 350 & 🏔-an
Just curious @anuvabsaha5317! What result did you get when you typed classic into the emoji section? 😅
🏛 - This 😂
10:41 cute, good job editor!
Hi guys, just dropping some insight on the developments, RE initially wanted the footpegs mounting boss welded on the frame like on the 411 Himalayan. They chucked that part out to keep costs down. The rear subframe kick is fair but they didn't offer longer rear travel as this chassis even with the INT/GT650 wheel travel has rear mudguard fouling with tyre issue when loaded up or 2 up. Any further raise in the seat would mean a re done frame overall as a taller pillion subframe would affect proportions, seat height & swinging the leg over would be cumbersome eventually. Smaller rims plus tyre size would mean lowered GC. A redone frame couldn't feasibility wise accomodate that massive 650cc motor keeping GC & Susp Travel "accessible". For that they have a Himi 750 in the works. You can swap the front rotor with a floating Brembo one of the old 650 twins for harder braking requirements.
Thanks for that TFE94! That makes sense... but doesn't make a better bike unfortunately
@@motorinc I am with you on that, this is such a missed opportunity! I only meant it as some FYI! Just the other night me and my mother were watching the "This Connect" EP on Japanese products today and I see even RE in some sense hesitates changing what working even in the positive direction where its needed. Quite frankly, I sincerely hoped they atleast made a different feel on the motor for each genre. I hold my GT 535 very dear to myself amongst the 3 REs I own but the 650s never made a case strong enough for me to go ahead and upgrade to a 650. Super Meteor had my attention, and my heart but only till I am on the smoothest roads ever ( which is maybe just 2 mins long in Pune no matter where you go ) but their RSUs are too stiff. Stiff even if I account for their running in at 10K kms, they were stiff. FYI, Paioli springs of the 535 with machined spacers work well too just in case ( not for long travel though )
Spot on! This is the repetitive issue we see with the new products too - and we're hoping to see this fixed and behind Royal Enfield as quick as possible.
Another great video gentlemen 😊. A lovely looking bike the Bear 650, though a bit tall for me. But what is it with the recent tendency for overly' stiff rear suspension! I had a Super Meteor 650 this summer which unfortunately I only kept for a few weeks. Spending quite a lot of money on aftermarket shocks made no difference, so it had to go😢 I feel this was mainly to do with the geometry of the set up though. Hopefully, changing the units on the Bear will yield a more satisfactory outcome?
And for reference, I'm in the UK where our rapidly degrading roads share some of "features" of nearly every ride with you guys over there 😅
We hope so too as well @PhilipBallGarry!
You know how good the Himalayan is when Shumi and Karthik bring it up while speaking about the GRR450 and the BEAR650 with such emotion!!
I don't know ho the heck they are not famous🎉❤they both provide absolutely great content the are bear in this field 🎉hats off to the editor as well
Thanks @asishbhol766, we'll pass on your compliments to the team.
Indian living in California here, RE made a bike for me 😂 can't wait to test ride this! Motorinc love the show!
Hey Ahmed! Do let us know what you think after you get a test ride!
Man i saw the tumbnail shumi and my heart dropped.I really liked that bike, havent test ridden it yet🤞🏻
Do take a test ride and let us know what you think @samfade!
Always wanted to sit and talk to you guys once.
Looks like it happened today, such an intense discussion felt I was there, sitting, listening.
Had fun tea time today 😅
I really liked Kathik's rubbing the armchair on the Yamaha example in the end. It tells a gazillion stories being a Yamaha fanboy just pure out of emotion. I did some running on the RX100, RX135 and some decent time on the earlier gen FZ and FZ-S (all being borrowed) and the awe and the aspiration on them is CLASSY. I would want a first gen FZ or an RX 135 adhering to the current regulations. I did not dare step into the Yamaha showroom during my last purchase. Kathik's armrest rubbing on Yamaha did rub me somewhere! Perverted Minds!! I meant the HEART. I miss YAMAHA.
I mean I don’t see myself buying a bike… but I just spent the past hour listening to these two fine gentleman. I’m so grateful this podcast exists 🙌
Thanks for joining us @RahulBasu6886!
My shortlist for the next bike was the Bear, or the Honda CL500 (on the 2nd hand market in the UK it’s cheaper than the bear.) Naturally the decision could not be made until hearing from Motorinc, and what a difference there is compared to the breathless praise that’s uniformly given to the Bear by those lesser motorcycle journalists. Thanks to the team for yet another beautifully produced and truthful video, and for helping me avoid this pretty but flawed machine.
I agree regarding the suspensions on recent royal enfields, they are stiff but they ride and handle amazing on smooth roads.
They do indeed @HHH-v06ec, but until our roads gets better as a whole (we're getting there!), the suspension will be a problem... You can restrict yourself to using it only on nice roads but with a bike like this, you shouldn't have to... 🤷
Can the preload on the rear be adjusted for a more comfortable ride? And what other Indian shocks can we put on this for a more comfortable experience
In between those 🧸 Teddy bear cameo 😜 was fun ....
Thank you so much
Karthikeya your rating for summary 9/10 ❤
Thank you Motorinc ❤
We're glad you liked the episode @VishnuVck! 😊
Did anyone notice a little white bear around the 20:17 mark of the video, towards the bottom center of the frame?
As an interceptor owner one of the first things i did was to set it up with the YSS forks and shocks. By far the best investment decision for the bike. The front handles like a dream now with a night and day difference. The rear is fully adjustable and although it took me a while to figure out the right setting, it is totally game changing. But the entire setup is definitely not as cheap as the 25k difference. It's more like four times that, albeit something worth considering to eliminate the only flaw in the machine.
If you're holding on to the bike forever, this seems like a worthy investment @kapish34, but do you think everybody can (or even should) spend this much money?
@motorinc I agree. Only makes sense if it's a keeper. Having made the changes iteratively made me appreciate how much of a difference a good suspension can make to the riding experience. Great work bringing up the discussion around improvements the end user really needs!
I always enjoy watching your shows, you guys cover every basic thing and needs of all. thanks a lot to the entire team for such a detailed discussion.
Thanks for the kind words @brahmjot04, we'll pass on your compliments to the entire team.
You guys are so spot on with bike reviews, I took a test drive and suspension was like welded to the swingarm, keep making honest reviews like this cheers 🍻
Thanks for sharing your experience @shivrambn5362
Two questions, 1) Only the Rear Suspension is Bad or both are Equally bad for our Roads? 2) Can lower the tire pressure will improve things? Thank you.