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There's a difference between a hasty decision made during a state of panic and being stupid for plot convenience.
Dackson Flux Amen to that. There's a huge difference. The problem so many horror films make is characters make insanely dumb decisions not because it's their character or its how a normal person would react to the situation, but simply to move the plot along.
giving up the gun was a straight up DUMB decision
@@joshelderkin9592 True, but it still was believable. That nazi guy was pretty convincing and with the pressure of the situation and seeing how deep in and addled those guys were it`s a very believable decision to make. Specially in a no hope scenario like they were in, false hope goes a long way to doing shit like that.
@@joshelderkin9592 Would a smarter decision have been assuming you can run out guns blazing with 5 rounds against a group of organized and well armed nazis? It's true that having the gun would have been useful for them later on, but at that point in time, this was the only way they saw a possible out.
Seriously talk about going off the deep end to justify garbage
I used to be annoyed by people stumbling when running from the horror in movies. Then I was hunted by someone who wanted to hurt me and tripped on my own feet across open ground. Adrenaline, kids. It messes stuff up.
Demarkil shit Ive never thought about that. I always assumed it was a way to keep the tension. Thanks for sharing that.
You realise that horror movies can be way more realistic that you could have imagined when you go through extreme real life situations.
That stuff still gets old no matter how realistic it is. At a certain point it's just a cliché.
@@DenSvartaStjarnan cliches are not bad. It us only bad when used wrong. Cliches are fine. What would you want a movie to do?
I'm sorry that happened to you :( Are you okay?
Potted Aloe, an extreme game of tag?
I gotta say, the gore effects in this movie were insane, my jaw was on the floor watching some of the kills in the theatre because of how brutal they were (the worst was the arm and he didn’t even die in the movie)
I've never been so disturbed by murder in a movie. It felt so real. It's scary to consider that such brutality is normal to these people, and some of them cant wait to get in on it.
When they almost cut the kids hand off was horrific but I had to take a breather after the box cutter scene happened
@@kyler9437 How do they even cut his arm?
@@aleczavala5010 Its assumed with knives or something like that. It was when he put his hand out the door and they grabbed it. WHen he pulls it back in its barely attached at all
The shotgun blast to the head of Mark Webber's character is so sudden and weirdly non gratuitous that it gets me every single time
Green Room is one of the most realistic thrillers I've seen in a long time. When I first saw the film, after they perform the anti-racism song on stage I was expecting the nazi's to lash out immediately and that's where the plot would kick off, however I was pleasantly surprised to see that even after that incident, the nazi's had no intention of killing them. They paid the band, expected them to leave, then they witnessed a murder and that's when the threat began. I feel like a lot of other filmmakers would have made a pretty basic plot; liberal punk band offends nazis, nazis are furious, a violent feud begins.
Saulnier is more clever than that. The only reason the nazis want to kill the band is because of the witness they encountered, the murder is purely tactical and isn't driven by mindless hate, which I think humanises everyone in the film. The band are victims of a situation they had no intention of being involved in and the nazis respond to this spontaneous situation the easiest and cleanest way they know how: murder.
Arran Armitage Even so, the plot isn't that complex lol. That's not why this movie is great.
+FYNFB I don't think they were saying that the plot was complex. They were saying that it played with your expectations. A movie can be smart without being complex.
pelleman02wb Yeah, maybe you're right. Either way, this movie was very well done considering how basic the plot is. The acting and cinematography and directing is all top notch.
even then, some of the nazi's wanted to let them go, macon blair's character tried to make a deal before calling his boss.
He probably just wrote it that way to get them into the green room.
It's so fucking tragic that Anton Yelchin died last year. Dude was an artist
I had no idea. I was totally expecting to see him in more films after Green Room. Definitely one hell of a talent. Very tragic. RIP.
Habadashery Jones He is actually in a new movie coming up, which should be pretty good.
Cinema Sorcery yes, Thoroughbreds. He died 14 days after they wrapped shooting :(
“Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face”
"Easier said than done"
It honestly didn't even cross my mind once that anything they did was "dumb". Perhaps that serves as validation of what you postulate in this video. Well done.
I really don't think most of their decisions were stupid. I really cant think of a smart way to handle the situation. People don't realize these characters aren't fucking John Mclane. They were in a building completely surrounded by a over a dozen people with guns/dogs/other weapons. What should they have done (That question goes out to people complaining about the characters making bad choices. not to you)? They were in a situation where survival was fucking slim at best. Honestly this is one of the only movies where I thought the characters splitting up wasn't a horrible decision. If they just ran out together they would have all be mowed down instantly. They had a way better chance splitting up and maybe one person could have gotten lucky and made it out.
+pelleman02wb Well said.
not to mention in real life, in real horror panic situations people are actually the most stupid. 911 for instance, people were seen jumping out of windows on a fucking skyrise building...like does that not say completely retarted, you know you are going to fall to your doom but they did it anyways because in that moment they were not clear headed they just saw one threat in front of them and that was fire they completely negate the obvious multi story fall to the concrete behind them. Unless you are in a dangerous situation it is easy to sit back from comfort by your tv in total safety, with full spacial awareness and knowledge of your environment and no threats to deal with to judge the actions of fictional people.
But people were jumping to avoid dying by fire - not because they thought they would survive the fall. I don't think that is "completely retarded" as you said. If I had to choose I'd rather die instantly from high velocity impact than be asphyxiated by smoke or burned alive.
Kris Miles Yes. Some people are quick to talk (guitarman) but you are right. If someone had the choice of SLOWLY burning to death, breathing hot scorching gas that burns you from the inside, or, taking your chances jumping, and some people HAVE lived through high jumps, even though that number is VERY low, or dying quickly from the impact... it's a thing because it's the truth.
I myself although have never been alone (in a rural area) and in mortal danger I have experienced being in mortal danger in a urban area and I got my self the hell out of there the first second I could even though I had to jump backyard fences and that was the first time I EVER had to do so, even just messing around as a kid I never did that. I didn't have to wait till thinks got worse or wait to see IF things got worse. Also I have been in danger, although not mortal but would've been sent to the hospital and not by my own strength, and I always did the smart thing. Just so it's clear I was a (drug) runner (small time, within the neighborhood, not anymore, clean for 3 years) and I was told ONCE what to do and not do in case shit hit the fan and never even practiced in case the situation occurred. I think it all comes down to the fact that you HAVE TO accept that ANYTHING can happen to you regardless of what life you live and what you're in to. A church pastor can suddenly have a plane fall on his house, a soccer mom can walk right into the middle of a liquor store robbery, a kid could be taking a shortcut home behind a store and accidentally walk in on some guy stabbing someone else 4 feet from him... what do you do? What have they been taught, IN LIFE?
I've noticed that when a tragic event occurs (usually in a first world country) the same things are always said, "I never thought it could happen here", "It was like something that happens in the movies but not in real life". People in the US (and other "developed" countries) forget that we live in a world that ANYTHING can happen. There are entire villages in Africa that go to bed in fear EVERY SINGLE NIGHT that rebel "freedom fighters" will come to their homes and kill all the adult males and take the younger males rape them AND conscript them into the ranks while all the females will be taken to get raped and sold as slaves and raped some more. There are indigenous peoples in South America that are massacred for nothing more than a conglomerate wants the land for business and the country is willing to sell but have to 'clean the place out' first so there is no opposition. THIS SHIT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME, STILL TODAY, but because we here in the US (and other countries like) live in relative peace when one of these events happens within our comfort zone, our city, to one of our well known friends, then... then it's "I never thought this could ever happen!" Why? Why would you think that? Which goes back to my question... What have you, anyone, been taught in life? Have you or your family members been taught what to do in case you're being mugged? If you're female, have you been taught what to do if someone wants to rape you and it's dark and no one is around? As a kid were you taught what to do if someone wants to kidnap you? Were you just told what to do, or were you shown? ...did you enact it? Did you go over it once? ...or DO you go over it to this day at random times just to see if you will be ready?
Here's a much simpler one... Have you or your family gone over what to do in case there is a fire in the house/apartment? Do you have all your important papers in one place, do you have a bag ready next to your filing cabinet/safe so that if there IS a fire you can just throw it all in a bag and get out of the home/room quickly? Will you just take papers and documents or will you take clothes (at least one pare of everything)? Laptop? External hard drives? Firearms? Pictures? For those of you in flood country just substitute 'fire' for 'flood', the questions are the same but I assume the drill is different. Documents in waterproof sleeves, life jackets, ENOUGH clean water for you and your loved ones, FOOD for you and your loved ones, radios, flashlights, batteries, self recharging radios and flashlights...
There is a lot of shit that can REALLY happen on a regular basis and other things that although not too regular can still happen to us, at any time. People need to understand that safety is NOT guaranteed to us, safety happens with someones sacrifice and effort, as a child it was our parents, as an adult... are YOU taking steps to be ready in case something happens? When something does happen, will you be like a dear in the head lights? Or will you have SOME idea what to do?
The guy that taught me a few things while I was a runner was an asshole, 'balls to bones', but between him and my time traveling in Tepito Mex. (w/ my cousin who was from there) and generally coming to a realization that I live with others on this planet, others who might not be right in the head (learned in county jail), I understood that ANYTHING at ANYTIME could happen. NOBODY is immune from ANYTHING, so get use to it, fast!
This thing about 'it's just because they were in a chaotic state of mind because of the crisis they are going through' is dog shit. Up until that first moment of mortal danger in my life nothing like that even remotely that drastic had happened to me, I was the only one home, no one told me what to do if someone had a shotgun and was banging in the front door, and "GET THE FUCK OUTTA'HERE!" was the very first thought that came to my mind. I don't expect people to act like McGyver the first instant they're in danger but I would assume if someone, ANYONE, was in danger the first thoughts would be "Go to a crowded place", "Call, or even just call out, for the police", "Even if there seems to be a cop behind me, GO to the police station/firestation and stop the car there", and, "Don't stop to look behind you, just keep going forward".
The only way I see this being an actual thing is in the case of fight or flight and in the process can't make coherent decisions, forgoing the fact that this is already an old trope that just needs to die, I find it very hard to believe that in a group of 6 or 7 young adults not one of them is going to think semi-straight in that state? (in slasher flicks) Every movie that comes out to use this trope is in fact saying, 'this thing does happen and although it happens to some people sometimes for the sake of plot it happens to every one all the time'. Dog shit.
Anyways, rant over.
To survive any horror movie situation, just act as extreme as you can and hope you get casted as the main protagonist. You'll get plot armor.
What i do to make movies more realistic to me is i don't think that the main character is surviving everything because of plot armor i think to myself that because this character survived everything is why he/she is the main character of the movie.. that if he/she didn't survive than the movie would've made someone else the main character lol
@@SINlluminati or if you only die to save the 1 other survivor besides you, that's happened sometimes lol
Neh, if you're the innocent girl you have 95% to to the main by default.
@@TheKingOfSpooks this only works if this is a stand alone movie with no sequel.
@@SINlluminati Hey, I like the way you think
RIP Anton Yelchin.
Yeah, I came here to say that too :(
I became ypur 400like at 3pm. Remeber me
Went to High school parties with my guy. Nicest dude ever. Died in my neighborhood by a freak accident...terrible.
He was such a good actor
F.G Santos this post is about remembering Anton, not you.
When they played “Nazi Punks Fuck Off”, that stressed me out alone. But the fact that the problem for the band didn’t come from their song offending the Nazis, but that they witnessed a murder really helped make the scenario at hand believable. When the one Skinhead says something along the line of “your guys’ set was awesome” that really struck me. Me being an almost 18 punk kid aspiring to become a traveling artist, this movie really got to me. I loved it so much.
After 4 years, did your dream come true?
@@eyelessshai9691was gon ask the same question
@@eyelessshai9691 He's an accountant now.
This is so important and, especially in horror. Nothing ruins a horror/suspenseful movie quicker than characters doing ridiculously dumb things that leave you feeling like they deserve to die. That's bad writing, if the only set up you can come up with is for the professional biologist to take off his suit and try to touch an alien snake covered in alien goo on an alien world, you should just scrap and restart.
as soon as someone gets the idea to split up YOU JUST WANT THEM TO DIE... that has nothing to do with rash decisions because of panic, it's just suicidal thinking
Chris aka Schulbus if you end up playing Dnd some of the tropes are the same. why? because people when put even in a fake form of needing to survive don't in fact apply logic.
@@johnporter9034 sorry, i can't quite understand your comment, english isn't my first language... are you arguing that it is understandable to split up in the forest, while a masked axe swinging man is making a mess?
that is not rash decision making.... it's just so unbelievably stupid that you lose any interest in the characters...
@@chrisakaschulbus4903 In some cases, logic has nothing to with it, the only concern becomes self-preservation. The idea is that if the group splits up, the killer/monster might not have time to find them all before whoever is left escapes. You don't need to run faster than the bear, just the other person.
Honestly this is all subjective. This movie is apparently brilliant even when the band members make dumb decisions, but somehow the characters in a movie like Friday the 13th and Scream are dumb shits, even though you're basically asking teenagers who just encountered a serial killer to think logically.
watching patrick stewart walk is so goddam weird
Now imagine seeing Ryan do it
TRICK QUESTION YOU CANT
So is hearing him saying the n word like 5 times
You’ve never seen Star Trek???
I feel like this movie (and the director's other films) are criminally underrated. They're solid on a technical level, but I think that the ocean of subtext within Green Room makes it not only one of the most intelligent thrillers of the decade, but one of the most powerfully visceral and effective anti-establishment statements needed most in film right now.
joey sands hmmm so you seem to think it was pretty deep
Mustafa M this says a lot about our society
joey sands
Ironically The real neonazis are the antifa
What is with this thread? Did everyone of you guys got infected with the nazi virus?
I would recommend Bomb City as a smart companion piece to this movie, although one is true crime, not horror...
Imogen Poots absolutely killed it as Amber. One of my favorite film characters of all-time honestly. She was such a bad ass.
Careful now...
Poots haha
I watched this movie just for her
She's honestly my favorite female protagonist in a long, long time in terms of film characters. She's so believably vulnerable, but very deadly and ruthless as show by some of the kills she performs for self-preservation.
I haven't seen this movie in a few months but doesnt she kill everyone one of the Nazis? I dont remember Antons character or any of the other band members killing one of them, I'm pretty sure she was the only one who managed to kill some of the Nazis.
Either way she was incredible in this movie and if I had to choose a battle buddy she would be my choice 11/10 times lol
This is the same way with Hush (2016). Tons of my friends said "oh it was good, but the main character did a lot of stupid things". Well, duh, she's deaf, mute, and has never ever experienced anything like what's occurring before. Of course she's gonna mess up. The fact that she messed up but kept going is what makes it the best! She made human mistakes, but then moved forward and fought to fix them.
My problem with it was that it was too predictable 🤷🏻♀️
Out of all Green Room reviews there's one detail everyone seem to miss, the one thing nobody points out.
It's Picard vs Chekov!
Half in the Bag pointed it out.
A Green Room essay, yess! I loved this film, I can't wait to see what Jeremy Saulnier does next.
Next project is currently in shooting. It's a Netflix exclusive called Hold the Dark. I think it's a survival thriller written by Macon Blair (one of the main characters in Saulnier's films), who also happened to have a Netflix exclusive coming out in two weeks called I Don't Feel At Home In This World Anymore. Stylistically and tonally similar to Saulnier's work.
Ryan Hollinger Aye? Excellent. I saw that I Don't Feel At Home in this World Anymore won the Grand Jury Prize at Sundance, so I'm very much looking forward to it :)
Hold the Dark starts shooting out here next week. It looks like it's going to be an interesting and intense production
That'd be cool if you managed to get near the set and see what's going on :)
Ryan Hollinger Blue Ruin then Green Room, I thought his movie was gonna be called Red something... the last piece in a sort of color trilogy where the main theme was violence.
This movie for me was the true definition of *Don't Judge A Movie By Its Synopsis*
Green Room was without a doubt the most graphically violent film of 2016 and one of my favorites of the year. The reason I loved the film so much is because of its realism, especially with the characters actions when put in this extreme situation. A lot of the actions that the characters made to survive are definitely decisions I would have made as well. A lot of people I know who saw the film said that the band members were stupid and made the worst decisions, to me they're mistaking stupidity with realism. I'm glad you made a video focusing on this specific element in the film. Great job Ryan.
This is one of those films where the gore/violence actually got to me. I can watch 99% of gorey movies without being effected at all. This movie on the other hand played it so fucking straight and realistic that it seriously got under my skin. The arm scene was incredibly effective. I felt every fucking slash. Then when you actually see that it's barely fucking attached, that shit made me almost feel sick. This movie made my fucking palms sweaty. I haven't felt that anxious watching a movie since I was a kid.
the scene where he sticks his arm out of the door and gets sliced up made me think he was just plain dead, like he would definitly not make it
Joshua Horita qi
Yeah man, the characters in this movie make such dumb and real decisions and Patrick Stewart is such a scary character
From what I have seen in this video alone the violence is very realistic. It's sudden and awkward, almost as if you're watching someone shoot themselves in the chest on Liveleak. Really eerie stuff.
Some dumb decisions in horror movies are unforgivably stupid. When Sarah Michelle Gellar is fleeing from a killer and decides to stop and turn around when she is feet from safety that's just lazy writing.
Yeah. That's a situation where the irrational frame of mind would actually be pushing you even harder to do the rational thing.
That entire movie is dumb decisions
camgan1 easily could have been changed with the killer appearing in front of her while running,but then comes where'd he come from
Tbh it's more stupid to have the killer appear from nowhere and murder her
Doesn't matter how stupid the decision is since the killer teleported ahead of her, even if she kept running she would have simply ran into him.
Green Room was a horror film? I only knew of it because I was into the website that came along with it, which was a pretty cool look at the history of DIY punk.
Also, the only member of the band who survives is the bassist! Finally, us four-stringers get some respect!
Respect? They couldn't be bothered to kill the bassist, because not even neo-nazis care about bassists.
NoEsUnRUclipsr Too bad the actor died IRL, so in a way he didn’t survive either :/
YESSIR
Since when do you bassists not get respect ?? Flea? Justin Chancellor? Everyone respects those beasts
At least you four stringers get to stand at the front of the stage unlike us drummers. We've gotta sit in the back behind everybody, nobody notices us lol.
In Millburn’s defence, he was a biologist discovering alien life for the very first time on a planet that was practically uninhabitable, also while not really being relevant, there’s a deleted scene where he finds a more primitive version of the creature that he reaches for, explaining his excitement with the fact that he had literally witnessed multiple stages of evolutionary life within hours of eachother
Luke Denton Most biologists know not to touch animals in the wild, ESPECIALLY if you are not familiar with the organism. It’s just common sense.
He was the space version fo Coyote Peterson.
Spoilers below.
I love this movie but I can never look back on it the way I used to, Anton had such a bright future ahead and while I feel like I should look back and be happy it happened, not sad that it's gone; when he survives in the end it made me look forward to his future roles in his career. On a brighter note; amazing video man, looking forward to Jeremy's projects to come.
Mizter Meschie anton sucks if you give your only guns to your nazi captures youre a fucking idiot fuck anton
i didnt realise that was an actors name i thought it was the survivor character my deepest apologies
@@joshelderkin9592 F
@@joshelderkin9592 that might just be the fuck up of the year, but at least you took responsibility for it.
Josh Elderkin 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 oops
Saulnier's Blue Ruin and Green Room are a breath of fresh air not only as slasher/horror films but as narratives, period. It's so amazing to see characters actually FEEL human and believable in their actions. When I saw Blue Ruin for the first time I was stoked he was making another movie. After Green Room, he's already up there with Carpenter imo; he's talented.
Agreed. I really dig Saulnier's style. Putting realistic characters in an outlandish situation is strangely refreshing. A bunch of dumb punks behave believably, as well as the inept neo-nazis running a shitty dive bar. Patrick Stewart's character was the only capable one in the film, and he arguably dies the most poetic death.
Can't wait for Red Letter to complete the second Coronetto trilogy.
Genuinely still think Green Room is one of the finest pieces of cinematic art I've ever seen and likely will ever see.
What, better than "Muppets Take Manhattan"? I admire your bravery in making such a mighty call.
@@MrMmnngghh 😂
So. I don't know if it is just me, but when I watched the movie, it felt like the two sides, the band and Darcy, they weren't that different. I mean, Darcy was in control, but yet he was insecure and was hoping for the best, just like the band, it wasn't like Darcy had all the control like a badass super villain. For example, the Joker from The Dark Knight, he had all the control, even when he is defeated, he wasn't worried, he was still in charge of the whole situation, while Darcy had concerns, he was a little scared, even the skinheads were insecure. In the end I did not have the same feeling that the main character had, for me Darcy wasn't that scary, he was "normal" like everyone else. And this particular detail made the character even more believable.
While all the other skinheads felt like scumbags, Darcy looked tired of everything. He didn't even looked like he was the mastermind of a criminal business, he looked like a worn-out old man.
@@Clean.Eastwood That's why the line "It's funny. You were so scary at night," was so great.
I think you have to understand the main character's point of view when he said Darcy was so scary at night. He never saw Darcy and his insecurities like the audience watching the movie did. The main character only saw Darcy when he was trying to have him and his friends killed during the night. And if I remember correctly, even then I don't think he ever got a good look at Darcy's face during any of that, he only got to hear his voice. So that would be pretty scary to have some guy you haven't even really saw be trying to have you killed. Then when he saw Darcy in the daylight and he had total control of the situation unlike before, he realized Darcy wasn't all that scary anymore. The main character saw that Darcy was just some old man which he likely did not envision in his mind when Darcy was having all his friends killed.
See even if I was in a stressful situation, I have enough survival sense to RUN LEFT when a giant thing is falling LONGWAYS ON TOP OF ME
Everyone likes to think of themselves as some high intelligence, action star when imagining themselves in these scenarios. The reality for 99.99% of people is that they will be making the exact same decisions and mistakes that they criticize as stupid. Because adrenaline, fear, and split second no time to think scenarios will lead to bad decisions.
People who say "if that were me I would do this." They don't realize that it's easier to criticize when you're not in the thick of it. You see this a lot with people saying that a person's abilities in a sport or activity is poor. Then they get challenged only for them to make the exact same mistakes they were criticizing and get completely destroyed.
Ah yes, 99.99% of people, good job.
@@ped3752 All right, let's say 99%. Who cares.
I would be completely fucked, as I'm disabled. But I also wouldn't PLAY NAZI PUNKS FUCK OFF AT A VENUE FULL OF NAZIS.
Yes! This is so great man. Well done.
a little spoilerish i mean i got the whole movie right there maybe he could have used some other example than last scene but if he didnt show fear before now i guess it had to be like that
Thanks for watching everyone!
Ryan Hollinger well I'm excited for that
Hotline Miami?
OH YES
Still waiting for someone to point out how HM makes the player disgusted... of himself
Nice, Inside Llewyn Davis! Pure existentialism and philosophical waxing. Don't forget to mention Schroedinger's Cat, and the endless burden of pushing the Boulder in to just have it fall.
So exited for hotline miami
Hell yeah Hotline Miami! I wonder what your theories about the game are
I agreed with everything apart from the bit about Darcy walking away. I thought that was completely in-line with his character: he knew that if they shot him in the back whilst he was walking away, it would seem to the authorities as though they killed him as he was trying to flee, rather than in self-defence. He was tactical and calculating to (literally) the very end
But wouldn’t they just run away
rip Anton Yelchin
GREAT WORK MAN! RESPECT! GREEN ROOM is my fav film of 2016!
My gosh. Your taste is like puke. Literally one of the worst movies ever made
The way he says "I'm sorry" while getting his arm slashed through the door still gets me til this day.....
Easily one of my favorite movies of last year, and one of my favorite thriller movies ever. I saw it in theaters twice and own it on Blu-Ray. It's so realistic and literally had me on the edge of my seat during my first viewing. I think the pacing is great; I love the contrast in tone between the first 15 minutes and later when it devolves into chaos; I also like the almost nonchalant attitude of the survivors at the end.
This is why you're my favorite critic on RUclips. It's a very easy trap for youtube movie-critics to fall into to interpret any mistake or irrational action by a character in a story as as examples of poor/lazy writing regardless of context.
Holy fuck I just got it
“You’ll be the first to go, you’ll be the first to go, you’ll be the first to go unless you think.”
And only once they stop making spur of the moment, reckless decisions do they stop dying.
Greatest profile photo ever
I really like the part where the pit bull rests his head on the body of it's owner. It made me feel sympathy for him and makes the Nazis feel more real
Alfredo Luingini that goes to show how unconditionally loyal dogs are to their owners, doesn’t matter how much of an asshole his was!💔🐶
He was just a lonesome doggo after all...
True bc dogs are really loyal like that and his owner obviously cared for him. It was sad but I'm still glad the Nazi/murderer died.
Also displayed that the dog wasn't some bad monster. Just a loyal pet misused for violence
I saw that as a metaphor that no one in these extremist cults are monsters by nature, but made to do monstrous things by their masters.
I would like to thank the person who has subtitled the video, although I have a decent English, the subtitles allow me to understand the ideas that are transmitted in a more organized and correct, thank you very much.
anyone who complains about this has never been in a life or death situation before at all. I have seen people make the dumbest decisions when in a extreme situation. now the prometheus one I agree no one would do that, but most horror movie decisions are valid, like running upstairs instead of going out of the house, this is what people do in real life when confronted with fear.
just ask some combat vets if you do not believe me.
I dunno, some people do dumb things when adorable animals are involved. I mean, who WOULDN'T want to pet a snake that is equal parts penis and vagina?
TheRev You obviously don't watch any enthusiastic herpetologists.
hunterinfected6 Actually I personally find snakes adorable - zero instinct to stand back from them, too, just smart enough to know not to poke them until they bite me (and also never lived around terribly venemous ones when I was small).
Still, an alien snake that has a vagina mouth that's obviously trying to kill me, yeah; that guy's very, very 'challenged' to do that.
TheRev Only the audience knows it was trying to kill him. He was excited over a new discovery and that got into him.
hunterinfected6 Well, I COULD buy that, but that's pretty clear 'fuck off, leave me alone' behavior for pretty much any small animal, and in this case VERY close to how snakes (like highly venomous cobras, for instance) behave when threatened. Assuming he had any instinctual fear of snakes (unlike me) or any idea of what a snake is, that should have been a clue. Granted, this is also a movie in which a man takes his helmet off just because the oxygen/nitrogen ratio is technically breathable - ignoring the fact that microorganisms could immediately infect and slowly kill him, while later on some sort of microorganism infects and slowly mutates him, I'm not giving them the credit necessary to write anything where 'the audience knows, but HE doesn't.'
There is no excuse for a character being dumb if EVERY character is equally dumb despite all being highly educated individuals.
I loved green room. And Patrick's performance was just amazing. The sort of gravitas he gave to even a normal human villain was powerful. Antonput a lot of spirit forward too. Overall everyone did great.
Wait Patrick Stewart who played professor x
I don’t think Darcy panicked and just ran away. His movements and that about face were very deliberate. He saw that the kids killed everyone and were not fucking around and committed to killing the rest of them, he had accepted his fate and wasn’t going to try to beg for his life and that actually makes him scarier I think.
Love this movie! It took me by surprise as I was completely in the dark. After watching Green Room I checked for Anton Yelchin's filmography to see more films from him just to find out about his death, felt like a punch in the guts. So sad, he had a bright future.
Glad to see you're back
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The believability of this movie is what makes it so terrifying
7:38 Love this little addition here. I usually watch new films with subtitles just to make sure I don't anything I'm hearing and I'm glad you acknowledged the dialogue. It was nice to see a film where you're not explicitly told what the motivations are. The film lets you piece together the situation through the dialogue and I was able to grasp what was going on naturally. I really liked these characters: they all felt human and it made the violence more upsetting when it was inflicted. (Just as a side note, I did't wanna watch this video until I saw the film, though this title alone made me excited to check it out)
Green Room is incredible because the protagonists aren't idealized. They get hurt and most of them fail. Viewers can relate to that more.
A24 has such a cool collection of unique movies. The films under their label are all so refreshing compared bigger budget thrillers and dramas, you never really realize how formulaic movies can be until you watch a movie like Room, Locke, or Spring breakers, or most of A24's catalog. They use concepts that aren't always new (in this day and age what concept hasn't been done already) like an apocalyse (into the forest), a captive thriller (green room, the captive and room, all 3 are even so different from eachother), a movie about partying (spring breakers, spectacular now) but all of those movies just go in their own direction with everything. Like your expectations almost never matter lol as weird as it sounds you just cant really predict the way these movies will go. Anyways this is a really mmessy way of giving props but I just needed to point out how much I love their movies from a stylistic and narrative perspective, hell even the casting and cinematography is comparitive to movies with huge productions, even if thier lineup is not the blockbuster example of a masterpiece. They're all like short tales in an anthology. They all have something interesting to bring to the table, I almost never agree with how they're executed, but that's why I appreciate them so much, they're their own stories.
Whether it's a negative or a positive one, if a movie makes you feel something in your core, something that alters your emotional state, the movie is effective, therefore great art. There's a few I can think of that I'd prefer to never see again because they hit me so heavily but I'll always consider great films because whether I liked the feeling or not, it made me feel.
For instance, Requiem for a Dream, for me is a brutal watch. The ending leaves me feeling gut empty, except full of dread and cynicism too... And the fact that any work of art can manifest that effect is why we love films, music, etc. Music is man's greatest achievement.
Jacobs Ladder is another that comes to mind
Many haunted house movies: “Let’s split up, we’ll cover more territory. You take the basement, I’ll take the attic.”
Anton Yelchin was one of those actor who I'd go see his movie simply because he was in it. Even if the rest of the movie was terrible, his performance was always amazing. I cried when we lost such a gifted artist, and I still feel the loss of all the amazing films he could've made every time I see his work. RIP Anton. We miss you.
THANK YOU! Whenever I watch movies with my dad, he often criticizes the characters for doing stupid stuff, and I always say "not everyone is as rational as you" or something smug like that. Glad that I'm not alone in not belittling all characters placed in scary situations
The issue is most filmmakers and writers use it as a crutch to move the plot rather than use intelligent writing to put competent people into bad situations.
this and blue ruin hard pressed saulnier as one of my all time favourite directors. no horror film ever conveyed the feeling of hopelessness and desperation as much as this film
i wish chris stuckmann could see this
Why?
he lamented the fact that the characters in this movie made stupid decisions
I see. To be honest, I would expect that of him to misinterpret the point.
I never thought the characters were dumb rather that I couldn't understand why they'd make the decisions they made, because in my opinion the intent wasn't clear. But after watching your analysis you've made me realize a great deal about the film.
Ryan Hollinger why?
That arm scene tho... I still get flashbacks of that.
Awesome movie. The only thing that I was wondering about: How did the Nazis know the band would even get out of the room and sneak out of the building that quickly? Was kinda obvious they wouldn't just retreat and let them get away just bc they stopped guarding the room. For me the most obvious plan would have been: Get out of the room, close the door again and hide somewhere inside the building. So when the Nazis come back, which they would have done sooner or later, they'd assume I was still in there which would buy me some time to sneak outside without them expecting me there.
Seems logical but there would be no movie then :p
Every exit was locked. They were in a room with no exits. There about 20 militant nazis with guns, blades, and dogs. They were a punk band consisting of 20 year olds
I absolutely loved this movie..
Also playing a dead Kennedy's song.
Five stars!
In short - this man didn't understand that being dumb actually means being inconsistent in it's own character
another great analysis man! congrats
Great video breaking down Green Room. I won’t ever forget when I chose to put this movie on and watch it. It was such an adrenaline rush of a film! Blue Ruin is just as good, but Green Room is my favorite.
This movie is so hard to watch, Its just so real and in turn so brutal. Fucking love it though
Darcy walks away at the end because he wanted it to look like he was being shot in cold blood. It wasn’t out of character. It was thought out that if the police come and find him turned away from his assailants as they came on his property, then it would look bad on them.
I love Green Room. Anton Yelchin was amazing. RIP Anton.
I understand this pretty well, as someone with Generalized Anxiety Disorder. I've coped well over the years but some situations or people will give me that fight or flight response and all that really does is make me fuck up (you can't flee work because someone overbearing and over critical is staring at you). I've also suffered from Anhedonia (often a symptom/stage of depression but I experienced no other 'typical' depressive symptoms. That anhedonia (lack of stimulation or pleasure from anything) did make me feel powerful, the sense that living or dying didn't matter, that someone could come at me and I would fight back until one of us 'lost'. As someone with many difficult to treat disorders, I feel as though I have a somewhat unique perspective on things, having ADHD-primarily inattentive, OCD-primary O, GAD, and Atypical Depression forces a different perspective, depending on which set of symptoms are more severe. It's a curse and a blessing, I'm fairly good at understanding others but they don't understand me (either because they cannot or do not want to think too much about something that is, arguably, insignificant).
Apologies for the rant but I like to share perceptions and experiences so that others can possibly gain new insights or just feel less alone if they share similar experiences/illnesses.
RIP Anton Yelchin
I love coming back through your older stuff and seeing the evolution and how you still have at your core even in these old videos the analysis and care for these films.
Thank you for this video, imo Jeremy Saulnier is very underrated.
Loved the use of jiu jitsu in the movie too. It wasn’t flashy, it wasn’t clean. Just scrappy enough to control the big dude. Although wouldn’t have used an arm bar to control the dude lol
This one of the best movies I've seen in a long time one of newest favorites!!
Darcy doesn’t walk away out of shock
He walked away to show that the 2 survivors were the bad guys and they shot him in the back which makes it look like they were just defending their land from attackers. Even in defeat Darcy made a smart and tactical decision not a decision out of shock
I think you're giving an average intelligence neo nazi a little too much credit lol, he walked away simply because hes used to people around him bowing down and obeying.
@@amp4105 rewatch the movie
I am saying that right now Jeremy Saluner is John Carpenter of our generation
YES THAT
Well said. The violence in this movie really fucks with you because of the realistic nature of the characters.
Days later and it’s still in my head.
This video made me watch the movie and it was amazing :) thanks alot for that
The punk rockers in Green Room are not completely stupid and they don't cry about why is this happening. They adapt in a pretty realistic way and that's what made the movie so great.
Should've been nominated for best picture
the academy would never touch something like this
Negus Ass they would never nominate this. Maybe cinematography or effects, but it's to empty if a film. The characters don't really go through an arc and it's kinda just a brutal thriller. It's a great film, but there's not much beneath the surface.
I wish the Academy wasn't so biased with their picks, they always choose films that a majority can enjoy, they never want to percieve a film on a metaphorical level. If they did you'd find more nominations.
Academy would never acknowledge something like this sadly
Yeah, at least it should had been nominated for best suporting actor for Patrick Stewart and best cinematography
FINALLY SOMEONE TALKS ABOUT MURDER PARTY, UNDERRATED CULT CLASSIC.
I love to see how Jeremy's movies improved with the years! It's really interesting.
My town has a business called Green Room downtown that consists of people paying to enter and meeting other random people inside to hook up with. I was very confused when I read the title of this video.
Context is everything. I hate it when people talk about how they'd never make the dumb decisions horror movie protagonists make in their movies, and then talk into a banana peel while throwing their phone in the trash.
My favorite film of 2016.
Whether dumb decisions are excusable are not all boils down to context, which for me boils down to: how much time do they have to think? The Invitation, a movie I hated with a passion, exemplifies both: some friends are at a dinner party that keeps taking darker and darker turns and going more and more horribly wrong, but the attendees willfully and aggressively ignore red flag after red flag EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE UNCOMFORTABLE- when violence actually does happen (although it's been threatening to for hours) people make totally natural dumb decisions, like freezing up or running in the wrong direction or making futile gestures. That's fine because when someone just whips out a gun you're not going to know what to do, but up til then, everyone has all the information in front of them and the ability to evaluate it and choose how to react, but they just simply don't. The Babysitter also annoyed the shit out of me because the kid has repeated chances to escape and doesn't take them- he gets out of the house and then chooses to go back in. He's surrounded by neighbors on all sides but doesn't make any attempt to get help, then at one point, a killer is pursuing him into someone else's house and leaves the door wide open where they can be seen, and then the kids run straight past the open door and choose to hide in a closet instead, and the whole premise of the film is supposed to be that the protagonist is highly intelligent.
But what about the recurring scenario of horror films where police are responding to reports of a possible murder and they just send ONE COP to check it out all by himself with no backup and no one checking up when he doesn't report back? A typical horror film isn't just individual dumb decisions, but a culture of collective community stupidity. Like, why do they keep reopening Camp Crystal Lake? Why does Michael Myers' hometown still celebrate Halloween after having been ravaged by Michael three times, and people even wear Michael masks so that you can't spot the real one when he shows up? Everyone's just roaming the street without care, including unaccompanied children.
tbh: i am a scientist and if I ever encounter an alien lifeform you can be sure I'll touch it. being curious sometimes wins over being smart.
I like how the antagonists being neo-Nazis is only used to shade the plot, and the film doesn't live or die by it. They're thuggish sociopaths, but pretty low level scumbags. The whole scene setting felt very nuanced and realistic. You can easily imagine clumsy metaphors or some hamfisted political messaging being done in a movie like this.
this still doesn't justify the scientist in Prometheus. he was a scientist in first contact, and acted like a child. Almost every character in prometheus acts like a bonehead who forgets their own skills and job under the minimalist stresses given their careers. they don't adequately stress their characters out enough for them to be SO stupid.
Ye but it's still an OK film
Thats the message of this review, they don't initially have stress as an excuse, they just act dumb anyway, whereas in other horror its a response to the horror.
Well he was high in the movie
Thats the point of the video bro. The band in Green Room are immature and inexperience so their erratic behavior is justify. So that's why it works. The scientist in Prometheus is completely out f character and thats why it ruined the film.
THATS THE ENTIRE POINT OF THE VIDEO YOU JUST WATCHED. he was contrasting green room with prometheus
If everyone in a movie made smart decisions, there wouldn’t be much of a story to tell, because nothing bad would happen.
This would be correct if it wasn’t for the fact that there have been people in similar situations in real life who have made rational decisions (killer chasing or stalking them). In fact people do it all the time
where are your examples
Thank you for talking about this film! Definitely one of my favorites of last year that I still think about from time to time.
The scientist taking his helmet off was an android...
They both take off their helmet, android and scientist
Gpixel why tf would an Android need a helmet
What’s the name of the movie?
Alien Aseel Prometheus
It's not that the protagonist always seems to trip and fall while running away that bothers me, it's the fact the antagonist never does. The two tropes that actually annoy me the most is splitting up, and discarding or leaving behind perfectly good weapons. The last two are counter intuitive to a proper fear response.
Green room was rated 2 stars on Netflix. Actually made me mad because it was legitimately awesome and I wonder if it was only rated so low because of there being Nazis in it.
It may have been real life Nazis en masse voting one star to bring the average down, no?
I love this movie, this is the only movie where I was honestly on the each of my seat basically the whole time and actually stood up and shouted yes! because I was so excited. Watching it a second time I just had a feeling of dread and wanted what I knew was going to happen to somehow change this viewing.
i love prometheus and dont give a shit about the realism or dumb decisions. but didnt milburn smoke weed before hand? or fiefield did and that implied milburn might have some himself?
To be fair to Prometheus, the question of why Milburn would do something as unbelievably stupid as trying to pet the alien snake is sort of rationalized in the extended cut. There's more scenes showing Milburn attempting to befriend the seemingly much cooler Fifield, who acts dismissive of him. So when Fifield reaches out to him specifically to go back to the ship, Milburn is elated by this. And, high on feeling accepted by Fifield, he tries to impress him when they come across the snake creature by acting unafraid and brash. It takes what's a painfully stupid and aggravating scene and actually makes it pretty tragic.
Anyway, I'd recommend comicbookgirl19's review of Prometheus. She explains this and a lot of other things about the movie really well.
Good god that makes that scene even more stupid. Imagine being a grown ass man that got killed because you were trying impress someone else and make them like you 🤦🏾♂️
Disagree about thinking of the dumb decisions of the band and the intelligence of the Darcy. While I don't think this is a movie about ideologies, the behaviours and decisions reflect the ideologies of fascism and anarchism. The bands decision making reflects that and it's established early on in the reactions to violence and aggression. And that's also why the choice of Nazi Punks was important. And I think you state this in your argument - the movie just shows characters being their characters rather than explaining decisions. Just don't think Darcy was intelligent, or the band dumb - they did survive after all, and even those who dies survived a lot longer than they should have.
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Explain how they would have known to turn left or right if they couldn't see behind them. They knew that they needed to run away, but not which direction they needed to go. The shortest route away from the collapsing structure makes the most sense. The only way they could have possibly known where it was falling was if they slowed down, turned around and watched where the thing they needed to run away from as fast as possible was falling. No one would do that in that situation.
The guy in Prometheus doesn't know it can shoot acid, he doesn't know the creature is parasitic and he's wearing a helmet that can protect him from the vacuum of space. He was probably also super excited to see alien life and not thinking straight. You can see the wonder on his face when he does it.
I’m pretty sure that touching random aliens because you where “super excited” is not an excuse.
Also the theme of the movie kinda revolves around humanities failings like arrogance so I took away from it that he was excited about discovering this life form and then over confident in the fact that he was a super professional scientist dude and can handle whatever.
Yeah, but if pretty much every member of the human race who saw that scene said it was moronic (even people who liked the film, and I’m one of them), then there’s probably something wrong with the scene.
+KingTeDdY62 Good points, but I don't think this was established in the movie too well. Granted, I only watched Prometheus once.
Impulsive and not well thought out decisions can work really great in storytelling when they're set up right and you can see it coming with the characters. I mean, Breaking Bad is basically 'Bad Decisions - The Series'.
A recent movie where I found the dumb decisions believable was The Ritual.
Something was definitely off in that scene. I watched that movie a long time ago, and only once, and almost the only thing I can remember about it is how stupid that scene was to me, and how hard it was to get into the story afterwards. I remember they seemed REALLY stupid when they were interacting with the creature. Maybe if they did the same but in a more believable, careful way it would have been different. But the way the scene was done, it seemed hard to believe they would be that stupid
Wonderful Journalism here friend. I loved Green Room, but you described it perfectly, what I couldnt put into words and the whole reason why I loved it.
The Green Room is a horrible movie whose only redeeming feature is having Patrick Stewart as the antagonist.
great analysis
How is it a bad movie?
Such an amazing little flick, recently got around to finally watching it. Anton was so amazing.
I honestly hated the protagonists in this movie. Also the extreme violence just put a bad taste in my mouth.
I don't know. maybe I need to watch it again, but I just didn't understand why it got so much buzz.
I know your post is 7 months old, but did you give Green Room another watch? I myself wasn't to keen on the protagonist. I wasn't really a fan of any of the characters. Though I feel like I should give this movie another chance.
@@ctonhunter4650 Don't. It is terrible writing masquerading as quasi-intellectualism. It actively insults the intelligence of anyone who watches it.
@@Gustav_Kuriga How so? Don't just spew shit out of your mouth without backing any of it up.
@@MrPink-kk6qn The group makes erratic, irrational decisions that get them hurt or worse, and then they come up with the genius idea of "let's make erratic, irrational decisions to throw them off their game, they won't expect it!", meaning the movie isn't consistent with it's own logic.
Furthermore, the very premise makes little sense. A group of armed skinheads have a group of unarmed band members cornered and they don't all just charge in to kill them? Even worse, they only send one guy at a time when they do send someone?
It's two groups of incompetents having a competition to see who will screw up worse.
I saw this movie earlier this year and it was one of the best realistic horrors i've seen in awhile. Truly terrifying to see this band trapped in that room, trying desperately to escape.