I do a lot of these tips in my golf swing, so as a newcomer to tennis, these concepts can be transferred from golf to the tennis swing and give me something to strive for. Golf has the coil, the wrist cock, the lag, leading with the butt of the club, transferring weight onto the left foot !
Higher racket head, I found this independently recently, but being distracted by trying to drop the head low, maybe on low balls though. Should probably be slicing low balls anyway. Good advise for OHBH too.
Well, I've done my homework a bit because you would catch me if I would name the ones you did already. I would like to see Sinner, Alcaraz (you did but maybe you repeat), Novak (done but you can repeat), Ruud, Dimitrov, Shelton, Musseti, basically all top 20, you have a bunch of players to copy, just an idea for creating more great content. Each has its own style of playing that would suite someone I think. Super excited!
@@TopTennisTrainingOfficial i think you might have covered the basics mostly. Not sure if you have done one on overheads? Ppositioning, preparation and final contact.
Thanks, Simon! One thing I didn’t see discussed is how the wrist does or does not move after the racket is in the lag position. Do you leave it loose and allow it to ‘flip’ forward on its own with inertia as the head follows through? Or is it more controlled via shoulder/forearm pronation through contact?
Awesome video! I was looking for something like this. I have both arms injured with tennis elbow. You talk about stiffness as a common reason of right arm injure but, may it also affect to the left arm in 2 backhanded player? Its true that I grip tight so...
100% it will impact the top hand on a two handed backhand also. If you’re gripping tight, your muscles are tight, and trying to fire explosively will often end in injury. Focus on relaxing your fingers, exhaling prior to contact and using the bigger muscle groups to create the power
Not sure if anyone noticed this, but lots of people confuse the power coming from the arm vs. the shoulder rotation. The contact to the ball and driving of the ball comes from the arm with the rotation pushing the ball AFTER the contact with the ball. Rotating the shoulders first will kill the kinetic chain power coming from the arm and wrist lag you are promoting. Can you please do a video explaining this so people do not rotate too early? Thanks top tennis.
I think you’re greatly mistaken. Power does not come from the arm until contact. When you coil the upper body, you store explosive energy in the trunk muscles, mainly the obliques. When you uncoil, meaning you open up the shoulders from a side on position, to a front on position, the energy is released and transfers into the swing, creating racket head speed. This occurs prior to contact, and continues after contact. Not a single pro player hits their forehand in a coiled up position, they’ve already uncoiled to some degree. After contact, the upper body may continue to rotate, until the back shoulder, ends up facing the net. Andy Murray does this motion exceptionally well
Thanks Grant 🙏 Probably not, I’ve had injury after injury for almost two years now, and the doctors were pushing me to get surgery on my back after years of tennis on hard courts. I think my match days are probably over, unless I get a new back from Santa 🎅
@@TopTennisTrainingOfficialSorry to hear that Simon as you were playing some sick tennis! I played a Grade 3 tennis tourney today in Aldershot and the level of tennis was silly for just a local county tourney with a few British tour players and two ITF players😳 I think I might retire as well as the standard is so strong these days even in local eventslol
Yeah😂I actually played one of the ITF players who's on his way bk from serious,injury. Whilst he's not playing at low ITF level, he was very good and he destroyed me😂 Dont know if you know him but Eliot Geysher won the tournament easily. Only dropped 4 or 5 games in total! He was playing some big and serious tennis!
No, that is our footage that we filmed at various events. We literally spent thousands of dollars on high end cameras and the travel to these events. The other channels and coaches who have been using the clips, took them from us without our permission and without giving us credit. It’s beyond a joke at this point, so many channels using our footage. Remember, I’ve been filming pros for over 20 years for my own use, and for 14 years for this channel
@@TopTennisTrainingOfficial I am sorry to hear that. I am an IP attorney. You should look into getting copyrights on your videos before you make them available on RUclips. This could potentially stop others from co-opting your work. Its a great channel by the way. I am a 3.7 player and am learning alot.
Thank you for the advice. I’ll look into how that works on RUclips. We’ve had some disputes with RUclips regarding the issue, they say that because the footage is already online, other channels can use it for educational purposes, which comes under fair use. Which I believe is true?
@@TopTennisTrainingOfficial I picked this up from ChatGTP about fair use, it is very situation dependent. The fair use doctrine allows for the limited use of copyrighted material without permission from the copyright holder under certain circumstances, particularly for purposes such as criticism, commentary, news reporting, education, or research. Whether the use of your videos by others qualifies as fair use depends on several factors: Purpose and Character of the Use: Fair use favors transformative uses, where the new work adds something new or provides a different purpose from the original. For example, using your tennis videos to critique or analyze the players' techniques might lean towards fair use. Nature of the Copyrighted Work: Some works are more likely to be protected than others. Creative works, like your edited videos, typically receive stronger copyright protection compared to factual recordings. Amount and Substantiality: Fair use considers how much of the copyrighted work is used. Using small clips or excerpts may lean towards fair use, while using substantial portions or the entire work may not. Effect on Market Value: Fair use does not unfairly impact the potential market or value of the copyrighted work. If the use of your videos substitutes the market for your own exploitation of the work, it's less likely to be considered fair use. Other Considerations: Courts also consider other factors such as whether the use is commercial or non-profit, and the overall context of the use. If someone uses your videos online without permission and claims fair use, it's a legal defense that they would need to prove in court if you decide to challenge it. Fair use is often a complex and subjective determination, and different jurisdictions may interpret it differently. If you believe your copyright has been infringed and the use does not qualify as fair use, you may consider sending a takedown notice or seeking legal advice to enforce your rights.
Hi Simon, im coming from ohio and I was wondering if you knew why i had pain between my index knuckle and also the base of my thumb, i tried adding some overgrips to make the grip size larger but it still hasn't worked, but I don't feel pain when I focus most of my grip near my ring finger/ pinky when hitting forehands, any help with be huge🙏🏼
Have a rest, let it settle down. You don’t get a medal for playing through pain. The wrist region is no joke, I’ve seen players miss months or even years of tennis from wrist problems
@TopTennisTrainingOfficial hi I'm not sure if you're saying the problem is from my wrist but currently I don't feel any pain in my wrist but it's in between my thumb and index finger knuckles whenever I hit forehands, I do notice that if I get jammed by the ball and hit it too close to my body, I feel it in my knuckles but when I hit it in the sweet spot and also further away from my body, it feels fine
Hey Simon, forehand is a little like Rune's... In action, not outcome lol... I do feel that I'm using my forehand to maintain the racket head above my wrist.. Do you think this is bad?
It can be if you’re doing it extremely tight. Rune does get the racket back very early and it’s a much stiffer forehand than someone like Alcaraz or Roger, but because he’s a big guy and because he lifts the racket head directly above the grip, it reduces the pressure in his wrist
I can see you haven’t been watching our lessons for a long time now 😂 I changed two years ago, liked it for a year but the past few months it’s been killing my arm so I’m probably going to switch soon
@@TopTennisTrainingOfficial Both Aeros have high stiffness, something like ~70 Ra. I got golfer's elbow from using the Pure Strike which has similar stiffness. My arm is well again after switching to a Head Speed MP which has a nice 60 Ra, but there are plenty of other choices.
@@TopTennisTrainingOfficial haha yeah haven't been on tennis technique for a while. Aero 98 is said to be more dampened than the VS. Ezone or Blade? I remember your best form with the Prince Rebel, another control racket. To swing more through the shot
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do you mentally try to initiate the motion with the shoulder or just upper torso?
@@TopTennisTrainingOfficial the lag, or the forehand itself, that if mentally start it from a different part of the body it kinda happens naturally, so not sure if it's right to do shoulder first or just unloading the coil
It's beautiful and easy to explain BUT it's almost impossible to replicate because it's hard to control. You can record yourself and it feels like you're doing it but the ball goes to orbit no matter how relaxed it feels. Just think about it: If it was easy, everybody would be doing it at the club level. Go to tennis clubs and see everyone with a stiff arm because it's the only way they can control it - and then a handful of excellent players how are able to execute it.
Nice video. But you don’t just do the coil first do you but get your feet moving first to get into position? I mean shouldn’t you put your right foot back first (if righty)?
Stop trying to create lag 😂😂😂 just swing and let physics do its job. Thinking about this crap is what is ruining your swing. No good player in the world worries about lag 😂😂😂
Download our FREE forehand guide here - www.top-tennis-training.com/free-guide/
You are 💯 right, especially when you said you will get injured by arming it. I know from experience, arming the ball to get power 😢
RIP to your arm 😂
We’ve all been there
Ugh I’ve given my self tennis elbow recently with bad technique lol
I do a lot of these tips in my golf swing, so as a newcomer to tennis, these concepts can be transferred from
golf to the tennis swing and give me something to strive for. Golf has the coil, the wrist cock, the lag, leading with the butt of the club, transferring weight onto the left foot !
Yes, there are many similarities
Thanks for the tips Simon, love the examples with the pros! Thanks for the help
My pleasure 🙏
Simon another very useful video. Thanks so much. So perfectly done
Many thanks 🙏
Thank you very much for this content! Greetings from Greece 🎾🎾
My pleasure 🙏
Great to see you back my friend. Hope you're doing well and Turkey is being good to you and family.
Some truly great advice as always.
Cheers,
M
Thank you for the kind comment 🙏
All the best
Simon
@@TopTennisTrainingOfficial You bet. Hope to see you and Alex doing some coaching on video like the "old days".
Cheers,
M
Thank you very much for those good advice! 👍
My pleasure 🙏
Higher racket head, I found this independently recently, but being distracted by trying to drop the head low, maybe on low balls though. Should probably be slicing low balls anyway. Good advise for OHBH too.
🙏
THANK YOU SIMON!!
My pleasure 🙏
Excellent stuff mate! And you’re crushing those forehands! 💪
Stuck indoors, full of COVID watching the rain poor down! Yep, it’s a British summer! 😏
Thank you 🙏
That sucks, I’ve heard the UK “summer” is one of the worst ever?
Very few proper sunny days
excelent Simon, now can you please make a series of videos on how to imitate forehands and backhands of top ATP players? Thank you!
Which pros forehands/backhands would you like to see me analyse?
Well, I've done my homework a bit because you would catch me if I would name the ones you did already. I would like to see Sinner, Alcaraz (you did but maybe you repeat), Novak (done but you can repeat), Ruud, Dimitrov, Shelton, Musseti, basically all top 20, you have a bunch of players to copy, just an idea for creating more great content. Each has its own style of playing that would suite someone I think. Super excited!
Terrific advice.
Thanks 🙏
Good stuff. A coach who walks the talk 💪👍
Thanks for the support 🙏
Are there any lessons you would like to see in the near future?
All the best
Simon
@@TopTennisTrainingOfficial i think you might have covered the basics mostly. Not sure if you have done one on overheads? Ppositioning, preparation and final contact.
Here it is - m.ruclips.net/video/z6OU4nl92cw/видео.html&pp=ygUXUGVyZmVjdCBzbWFzaCBpbiB0ZW5uaXM%3D
Thanks, Simon! One thing I didn’t see discussed is how the wrist does or does not move after the racket is in the lag position. Do you leave it loose and allow it to ‘flip’ forward on its own with inertia as the head follows through? Or is it more controlled via shoulder/forearm pronation through contact?
@toptennis Simon, great video! What racket are you using? Thank you
Awesome video! I was looking for something like this. I have both arms injured with tennis elbow. You talk about stiffness as a common reason of right arm injure but, may it also affect to the left arm in 2 backhanded player? Its true that I grip tight so...
100% it will impact the top hand on a two handed backhand also. If you’re gripping tight, your muscles are tight, and trying to fire explosively will often end in injury. Focus on relaxing your fingers, exhaling prior to contact and using the bigger muscle groups to create the power
Good job 💪
Thank you 🙏
great video Simon! Many thanks
My pleasure 🙏
Not sure if anyone noticed this, but lots of people confuse the power coming from the arm vs. the shoulder rotation. The contact to the ball and driving of the ball comes from the arm with the rotation pushing the ball AFTER the contact with the ball. Rotating the shoulders first will kill the kinetic chain power coming from the arm and wrist lag you are promoting. Can you please do a video explaining this so people do not rotate too early? Thanks top tennis.
I think you’re greatly mistaken. Power does not come from the arm until contact. When you coil the upper body, you store explosive energy in the trunk muscles, mainly the obliques. When you uncoil, meaning you open up the shoulders from a side on position, to a front on position, the energy is released and transfers into the swing, creating racket head speed. This occurs prior to contact, and continues after contact. Not a single pro player hits their forehand in a coiled up position, they’ve already uncoiled to some degree. After contact, the upper body may continue to rotate, until the back shoulder, ends up facing the net. Andy Murray does this motion exceptionally well
Great lesson Simon👊Will you be playing any ITF's this summer?
Thanks Grant 🙏
Probably not, I’ve had injury after injury for almost two years now, and the doctors were pushing me to get surgery on my back after years of tennis on hard courts. I think my match days are probably over, unless I get a new back from Santa 🎅
@@TopTennisTrainingOfficialSorry to hear that Simon as you were playing some sick tennis!
I played a Grade 3 tennis tourney today in Aldershot and the level of tennis was silly for just a local county tourney with a few British tour players and two ITF players😳
I think I might retire as well as the standard is so strong these days even in local eventslol
That’s brutal 😂
When you sign up to get some matches and end up playing a full time aspiring pro
Yeah😂I actually played one of the ITF players who's on his way bk from serious,injury. Whilst he's not playing at low ITF level, he was very good and he destroyed me😂
Dont know if you know him but Eliot Geysher won the tournament easily. Only dropped 4 or 5 games in total!
He was playing some big and serious tennis!
Thanks
My pleasure
Is there some kind of stock film bank for forehands. It seems like I see the same forehand clips of pros over and over again.
No, that is our footage that we filmed at various events. We literally spent thousands of dollars on high end cameras and the travel to these events. The other channels and coaches who have been using the clips, took them from us without our permission and without giving us credit. It’s beyond a joke at this point, so many channels using our footage. Remember, I’ve been filming pros for over 20 years for my own use, and for 14 years for this channel
@@TopTennisTrainingOfficial I am sorry to hear that. I am an IP attorney. You should look into getting copyrights on your videos before you make them available on RUclips. This could potentially stop others from co-opting your work. Its a great channel by the way. I am a 3.7 player and am learning alot.
Thank you for the advice.
I’ll look into how that works on RUclips. We’ve had some disputes with RUclips regarding the issue, they say that because the footage is already online, other channels can use it for educational purposes, which comes under fair use.
Which I believe is true?
@@TopTennisTrainingOfficial I picked this up from ChatGTP about fair use, it is very situation dependent. The fair use doctrine allows for the limited use of copyrighted material without permission from the copyright holder under certain circumstances, particularly for purposes such as criticism, commentary, news reporting, education, or research. Whether the use of your videos by others qualifies as fair use depends on several factors:
Purpose and Character of the Use: Fair use favors transformative uses, where the new work adds something new or provides a different purpose from the original. For example, using your tennis videos to critique or analyze the players' techniques might lean towards fair use.
Nature of the Copyrighted Work: Some works are more likely to be protected than others. Creative works, like your edited videos, typically receive stronger copyright protection compared to factual recordings.
Amount and Substantiality: Fair use considers how much of the copyrighted work is used. Using small clips or excerpts may lean towards fair use, while using substantial portions or the entire work may not.
Effect on Market Value: Fair use does not unfairly impact the potential market or value of the copyrighted work. If the use of your videos substitutes the market for your own exploitation of the work, it's less likely to be considered fair use.
Other Considerations: Courts also consider other factors such as whether the use is commercial or non-profit, and the overall context of the use.
If someone uses your videos online without permission and claims fair use, it's a legal defense that they would need to prove in court if you decide to challenge it. Fair use is often a complex and subjective determination, and different jurisdictions may interpret it differently. If you believe your copyright has been infringed and the use does not qualify as fair use, you may consider sending a takedown notice or seeking legal advice to enforce your rights.
Hi Simon, im coming from ohio and I was wondering if you knew why i had pain between my index knuckle and also the base of my thumb, i tried adding some overgrips to make the grip size larger but it still hasn't worked, but I don't feel pain when I focus most of my grip near my ring finger/ pinky when hitting forehands, any help with be huge🙏🏼
Have a rest, let it settle down. You don’t get a medal for playing through pain. The wrist region is no joke, I’ve seen players miss months or even years of tennis from wrist problems
@TopTennisTrainingOfficial hi I'm not sure if you're saying the problem is from my wrist but currently I don't feel any pain in my wrist but it's in between my thumb and index finger knuckles whenever I hit forehands, I do notice that if I get jammed by the ball and hit it too close to my body, I feel it in my knuckles but when I hit it in the sweet spot and also further away from my body, it feels fine
Vorrei sapere come si ottiene la decontrazione nella chiusura del dritto e del rovescio bimane!!
Lag can also be created on both the two handed backhand and two handed FH, to a lesser degree than with the FH
As an 8 UTR, the secret for me is to keep the pressure of the racquet going toward the palm of your hand untill you are ready to use your wrist
Hey Simon, forehand is a little like Rune's... In action, not outcome lol... I do feel that I'm using my forehand to maintain the racket head above my wrist.. Do you think this is bad?
It can be if you’re doing it extremely tight. Rune does get the racket back very early and it’s a much stiffer forehand than someone like Alcaraz or Roger, but because he’s a big guy and because he lifts the racket head directly above the grip, it reduces the pressure in his wrist
@@TopTennisTrainingOfficial thanks Simon. I'll try to stay lose and hopefully I can use that leverage 🙂
Changed to the Aero VS? Or previously taken material? Do you like the sensations on Aero 98 more?
I can see you haven’t been watching our lessons for a long time now 😂
I changed two years ago, liked it for a year but the past few months it’s been killing my arm so I’m probably going to switch soon
@@TopTennisTrainingOfficial Both Aeros have high stiffness, something like ~70 Ra. I got golfer's elbow from using the Pure Strike which has similar stiffness. My arm is well again after switching to a Head Speed MP which has a nice 60 Ra, but there are plenty of other choices.
Yonex are supposed to be extra forgiving on the arm, I may test some of those
@@TopTennisTrainingOfficial haha yeah haven't been on tennis technique for a while. Aero 98 is said to be more dampened than the VS. Ezone or Blade? I remember your best form with the Prince Rebel, another control racket. To swing more through the shot
do you mentally try to initiate the motion with the shoulder or just upper torso?
The lag or upper body coil?
@@TopTennisTrainingOfficial the lag, or the forehand itself, that if mentally start it from a different part of the body it kinda happens naturally, so not sure if it's right to do shoulder first or just unloading the coil
I would focus on uncoiling and being loose
The best coach 🎉🎉🎉🎉
Many thanks for the kind words 🙏
All the best
Simon
Good stuf
Thank you 🙏
It's beautiful and easy to explain BUT it's almost impossible to replicate because it's hard to control.
You can record yourself and it feels like you're doing it but the ball goes to orbit no matter how relaxed it feels.
Just think about it: If it was easy, everybody would be doing it at the club level. Go to tennis clubs and see everyone with a stiff arm because it's the only way they can control it - and then a handful of excellent players how are able to execute it.
If you can do it, what an advantage then
Nice video. But you don’t just do the coil first do you but get your feet moving first to get into position? I mean shouldn’t you put your right foot back first (if righty)?
You do the coil as you pivot, but this lesson isn’t about movement or getting into position, it’s solely about the upper body and lag
Whic griffe do you have ?
Griffe?
What’s your racket’s grip size? On video it appears…
Probably around a 9 or 10
@@TopTennisTrainingOfficial what!
wow. are you related to Kotov ?
No
Stop trying to create lag 😂😂😂 just swing and let physics do its job. Thinking about this crap is what is ruining your swing. No good player in the world worries about lag 😂😂😂
Did you actually watch the video?
@@TopTennisTrainingOfficial Yes, agree to agree 😂