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I can understand placing like videos about Isis and the Nazis on armchair history TV as exclusives but feels kind of scummy when you put obscure topics on there only
1:20 "begs the question" doesn't mean to pose/raise/ask a question; begging the question is a particular kind of logical fallacy involving circular logic. Now please stop misusing the phrase.😊
@@alphamikeomega5728that’s okay. We bailed your ass out 2 on the world stage, and then our own president, Bill Clinton, was the key negotiator in the Good Friday Agreement.
From the Canadian perspective they won, from the Native perspective they lost, and from the British perspective it was essentially a stalemate that didn’t need to happen.
@@tbnrwolff3354 not gonna lie, that is sadly the most accurate way to paint Native Americans in this part of history. They lost everything from one side, another side offers to help them and give them stuff IF THEY WIN WITH THEM. Then they don't win and lose more somehow.
Actually true. The whole thing was so embarrassing for both England and the USA that they made an effort to get along better, so that they wouldn't have any more pointless wars over essentially just being jerks to each other. This extra effort towards diplomacy averted the Pig War. Also any slaves that managed to escape during the war definitely won.
@@mrhumble2937The idea of Canadian Independence and national Identity was forged in the fires of 1812. That’s what he meant, our national identity is built upon the war.
I learned this past weekend that the UK actually provides some materials that go towards the refurbishment and maintenance of the USS constitution, which they fought against during the War of 1812. An ironic yet touching display - warm regards to our British friends from 🇺🇸
Please make more videos on little known American history: 1. The Barbary Pirate campaigns (1807, 1811-1815) 2. The Creek wars (1813 & 1814) 3. The Nez Perce Resistance (1877) 4. Geronimo's Insurrection (1866-1878) 5. The Spanish-American War. (1899) 6. The Filipino Separatist Rebellion (1899-1904) 7. The ISIS War (2014-2017)
The fact that the war began before the news of the repeal could reach America highlights the importance of information transfer speed. They lost out on an opportunity to avoid a war because the technology of the day was just too slow.
The war was full of funny moments like that. The people of Niagara wrote the President a strongly worded letter about William Hull's behaviour during the occupation and the President goes "For real? Wow. This guy is a dick." and had him stripped of his rank/dishonoured. Over a strongly worded letter from 'the locals'
Growing up in Ontario, I would hear about the war of 1812 all the time. As a kid, I remember seeing the battlefield of Qweenston hights. Thanks for the video :)
Essentially, diplomacy, war, and grand strategy aren't like a football game where you can simply tally up the score at the end and declare a clear-cut winner and loser. And in this case, nobody can agree if the "football game" was played by American, Canadian, or Association rules...
My take as an American was we failed to achieve our war aims so we lost, Britain protected their colonies and kept us in check so they could focus on Napoleon so they won, and the natives pretty much got the shortest of the short end of the stick
It’s kinda like how we lost to you in 1776 we lost America but gained India you lost in 1812 but gained native land and rapidly expanded west it all sort of worked out in way
@@johnmassoud930 sorry bud your wrong. In the end, three years of warfare did nothing to settle one of the main causes of the war. Britain refused to yield on impressment. In fact, the U.S. peace commissioners at Ghent never even raised the issue of impressment, nor was it mentioned in the final treaty itself.
In honor of our Canadian friends, I will describe this war using a modern hockey analogy. The war of 1812 was like an overtime hockey game. One side is declared the victor, yet everyone walks away with some points in the standings.
I’ve been to Queenston by the Niagara Falls. There is the statue of General Isaac Brock. After the War of 1812 the British made a citadel in Quebec as it was the glue which held British control over North America after the Revolutionary War. Turns out that it was in vain but serves as the base for the 22nd Squadron. If the Americans had captured Quebec they would have given it back to the French as a thanks for helping them defeat the British at Yorktown.
I don't know if that's likely. If the Americans had the chance to take full control of the St. Lawrence River and therefore access to the Great Lakes they would have taken it.
Hi Griffin! Excellent video, and I learned some new things as always. I'm impressed how you and your team manage to crank out such quality history lessons so frequently. A tiny note that probably no one else noticed. It was maybe a year ago that I made the comment that I as a pipe smoker was irked to see animated smoke rising from your animated pipe, because that isn't how a pipe works - one has to keep puffing on it to keep it going, and if it's smoking on the desk that means the tobacco is just being wasted anyway. And I just noticed that in this video the animated pipe isn't smoking! I don't know if this is because the animator took my suggestion to heart or if it's just coincidence, but I was happy to see it! X'D Keep up the great work!
This was a great survey of the uniqueness of the War of 1812. I would be inclined to judge 'who won' by measuring victory against the objectives of those who prosecuted the war which you do in part. However, whilst it was part of a number of factors, alongside The Mexican-American War and Manifest Destiny that set up the US for major power status, pulling focus out by quite a distance ahead and into the realms of the unforeseen could be slightly fuzzy. That said, by highlighting that is was a unique war where three participants arguably come out the better for having fought it, is a great beat on in the discussion, delivered in an entertaining and informed manner we've come to expect.
Something that was not mentioned in this video is that the UK got the financing for this war because of the French invation of Spain; New Spain and the government in Cadiz approved sending the "Royal fifth" of taxes that were usually sent to the Spanish Crown to be sent to pay the British Army and help them get rid of Napoleon in Spain, of course the payment was more than enough and so Britain got money for it's military expeditions all over the world. This compounded with south american counties like New Granada future Grand Colombia also paying the British in gold and silver but to figth off the Spanish there in their effor for independence. Many Latin american countries got into debt with England and this continued helping the British economy for decades. We can even say that the lack of financing of the Mexican Army because of it's many issues and it's large debt with England made it so that they could not figth the Americans looking to expand west and so the US was able to expand further.
I know who won the War of 1812. It was my 3rd great-grandparents. My 3rd great-grandfather was from Newburyport, Massachusetts and my 3rd great-grandmother was from New Brunswick, Canada. They got married in Digby, Nova Scotia in March of 1815.
I'd say it was a draw if only because America got what it wanted before the war even started, the British got to show that Revolution aside, they were still a mighty empire to be reconned with. The only losers were the Native allies to the Brits considering this was probably their last chance to stop western expansion. Oh, and Canada won nothing because they weren't even a country yet. Seriously, it's like us saying we "won" the seven years war (or as it's called on this side of the pond, the French and Indian war) when we were just a bunch of colonies.
It's like saying Germany won the Napoleonic Wars. It's anachronistic, but true in the sense that it gave Germany a chance to exist because Prussia and Austria helped defeat Napoleon, and dissolving the HRE lead to unification.
The level of revisionist history in Canada concerning the War of 1812 is quite shocking. To this day, many Canadians still think it was always the United States goal to conquer Canada.
Britain and France were already fighting a war, whats there to ally, France already had its hands full. Allying with Napoleon also means making an enemy of half of Europe and the US was not even close to a superpower at the time.
I find that Canada's argument for a victory is lacking. It did build a Canadian national identity, but that never came about until 40-60 years later. (and the Canadians that claim that it was them who burned the white house are stupid, because they were BRITISH REGULARS that came from BRITAIN.)
@@steveramsey7983Still British regulars who burned the White House not Canadian regiments. Sure there were Canadian, but these were British regiments under direct British control
The British/Canadian forces had some tactical success during the war and prevented the US from achieving its war goals. On the seas American aligned privateers did a number on British commerce while avoiding battle with the Royal Navy.
A fascinating study of a war that's never discussed in the United Kingdom. All the war did was achieve outcomes that could've easily come about with skilled diplomacy.
@@jacobdewey2053 It's just a bit ironic that the words were written whilst being at war with the English,only to accompany those words with an English musical composition to use as the National Anthem. Not trying to "own" anything.
The funnier bit was it was essentially the anthem for a pub society they took the tune from. Specifically, *The Anacreonic Society Anthem*, which was essentially the anthem to a group of bards, poets, and artists in pubs. Think there's still a tradition of free drinks if you can sing a few stanzas of the song.
It is very clear who won, Britain and decisively. I have no idea how anyone could think it was not clear, if they know the outcome. The USA started the war and were put back in their place and forced to agree to the status quo. They gained no groud. Washington was also destroyed. The USA definitely lost (like in Vietnam too). Indigenous American Nations fought alongside the Canadians and British, on the winning side. Some fought alongside the USA too. Indigenous Americans as a whole had lost long before 1812 and continued to for a long time after as well.
@@MarkGovern The status quo means it was obviously a tie, not a loss for either side (except the Native Americans). The U.S. gained no ground but also lost no ground and did get most of their grievances cleared up.
@@MarkGovern If you truly think this then you're either not intelligent enough or too blinded by British/Canadian nationalism to have a proper discussion about it
yo armchair historian you should make more playlists because all the ones you have have really old video's and i would like to see some new ones in a playlist
I feel bad for the Native American community, being fucked over by the United States for centuries. I feel even worse that some of my ancestors were potentially involved in that.
To be fair that was at the beginning of their settlement of what would become Canada, things got much worse later. Both countries had a pass system and residential schools in the late 19th century. But in some cases Canada was worse, the US got rid of the pass system in 1924, Canada got rid of it in 1941. The US technically gave native people the right to vote in 1924 (though there were some restrictions until 1965) and in Canada native people couldn't vote until 1960.
Ok, I'm now interested to see how the Canadians saw the War of 1812 from their point of view & how/what started the issue when Napoleon was on a fighting victory campaign spree in Europe.
Who won a war is all about whether or not they achieved their goals. America started the war with the goal of gaining territory or, at the least, removing British influence in Canada. They failed that goal. Meanwhile, Britain was initially on the defensive while dealing with Napoleon. They didn't want another war. The didn't want anything other than peace and to keep what they had. They succeeded in that goal. Then after the peace deal America pretended that everything in the peace deal is what they were really after all along, honest. They've continued teaching that lie for 200 years. The narrative for many in America is that Britain wanted their colony back, and some people even believe Britain started the war.
Not necessarily the start of the war was cause of the British blockade in Europe imposed to stop the trade between Napoleonic France (who controlled half of europe) from the rest of the world, American sailors and ships were being seized by the British and impressed into their navy, this lead the US to declare war on the UK for it. The war did end in a stalemate but it ended impressment by the British and resulted in America being taken more seriously by the world stage (seeing as they held their own against the #1 power at the time) it was really the beginning of the Monroe doctrine and would later help in the case for establishing it.
@@jeanjean6611 lol Impressment ended not because the world took America more seriously nor was it because of the War of 1812, it ended because Napoleon was exiled in 1814, there was no further need for the UK to impress American sailors.
@@jeanjean6611 Impressment didn't end because of the war of 1812. The blockade didn't end because of the war of 1812. Neither of those things were anti-American, nor pro-colonial. They were anti-Napoleon. Britain was in a massive European war and both of those things were a direct result of that. Meaning they ended with the defeat of Napoleon NOT 1812. If fact the blockade was a perfectly standard part of being in a war. The allies blockaded Germany in WW1 and 2, and they tried to blockade us right back. There was nothing at all personal about it (How many countries did you hear whining about how they couldn't trade with Germany during the wars? Let alone actually go to war over it...) Britain gave nothing in the peace deal as a result of the war, it was all stuff they were doing anyway. Britain lost nothing and succeeded in its war goal. As for what happened after the war. Irrelevant. After WW2 Japan became a huge industrial powerhouse. Does that mean they won the war? In fact it can be easily argued that because of the war afterwards they had less money for the military and therefore more to invest in business, so their economic boom was a direct result of the war. But none of that matters. They lost the war because they failed to get they war goals, and that is how you count victory/ loss in a war.
Yes we started a war totally it's not like our people were being kidnapped and forced into a war they didn't want to fight oh wait they were which means we didn't start the War the British did because they decided to do something stupid and they had to pay for it the only people that paid are the innocent and that does not include the British
The Americans failed in their literal objectives of seizing land, but also won in terms of the actual why the war began, essentially reducing British influence and making it clear that being belligerent with the Americans was not worth the hassle. The British held on to land, but also lost legitimacy with the Native American tribes they threw under the bus to take make it happen which lead to the loss of influence. But even if it is considered an American defeat, the consequences of the war somehow benefitted the Americans far more than the British in the long run. Ultimately, I would say it was a British victory, but also a pyrrhic victory.
calling it Pyrrhic implied they put alot of value in what was lost over their position as Hegemon in the World because France challenged it by taking Europe over
The two major aims of starting the war of 1812 was to end British impressment of US sailors and to stop the British arming of native Americans in the US frontier. The suspension of the Orders of Council did not do either of these things. The war accomplished both of these goals for the US. England did not benefit at all from the war. It only cost them men and money and diverted resources from the war with France. Canada survived the war, they were forced into it because of faulty US logic. Politicians still have not learned that if you invade someone’s country, they will not see you as “liberators”.
You are incorrect. President Madison stated three reasons for starting the war. None of these reasons are addressed in the Treaty of Ghent. You are implying that due to the end of the wars in Europe this stopped the British Navy impressment. The treaty doesn’t mention this! The narrator in this video basis his decision on issues which were not mentioned in the treaty!
@@steveramsey7983Did or did not the Americans ultimately get what they wanted with ending impressment and the arming of the Indian Confederacies? The treaty was neutral and vague, but we can look at what the physical consequences of peace were.
@ I see your point as being technically correct in everything except saying the I am incorrect. When the treaty of Ghent was signed. All of the stated reasons the US had for starting the war were resolved. The treaty was and is a political document. You can argue all day about what the treaty says. But the facts are that the treaty ended the war and the British never again did any of the behaviors to the US that the US started the war over. To stop a war, typical one side needs to decimate the other, or both side need to walk away being able to claim they “won”. That is exactly what happened. Maybe you are correct in saying I’m wrong. Could you please show me one instance post the war of 1812 where the British impressed US sailors, or where they armed the native Americans in the west, or interfered with US shipping? I argue that the US met all of their original aims at the end of the war. And those goals were permanently met. No one knows if the US did not fight the war if Britain would have been more aggressive towards the US after it was done fighting France. But everyone knows that after the war. Britain did not mess with the US anymore.
@@jlchambe77the UK wasn’t truly messing with the states to begin with. Studies in the last few years have shown that the vast majority of sailors who were impressed were deserters of the Royal Navy. Additionally the Impeachment of sailors had already ended before the war began, news simply did not reach NA in time however. The UK did not want to mess with the States to begin with, not because of the results of the war of 1812 but because there was literally no point in doing so
Loving this content! You should really consider a video on the Irish rebellion of 1798. It is very obscure outside of Ireland, yet it is rife with tragedy, heroism, tense battles and brutal killings.
At Queenston Heights and Lundy's Lane, Our brave fathers, side by side, For freedom, homes and loved ones dear, Firmly stood and nobly died; And those dear rights which they maintained, We swear to yield them never! Our watchword evermore shall be "The Maple Leaf forever!" The Maple Leaf, our emblem dear, The Maple Leaf forever! God save our King and Heaven bless The Maple Leaf forever!
@@sialmeckerjr The true 3AM experience is best with no lights, max brightness, 2 or 3 blankets, headphones, and closed windows and curtains. ...Toss in some typos for good measure.
I think it's noteable how most of the world outside of North America never even heard of this war if you say "the war of 1812" most people would probably think of the Napoleonic invasion of Russia
I read a history of the Napoleonic Wars written by a British historian, and he considered the American declaration of war against Britain as a stab in the back, similar to Benito Mussolini’s declaration of war against France in 1940. In 1812, Britain was locked in an existential war against Napoleon, who wanted to dominate Europe; and in 1940 France was locked in an existential war against Hitler, who wanted to dominate Europe. As an historian, I think one of the Americans’ main goals in the War of 1812 was to conquer Canada, as they tried to do during their War of Rebellion in the 1770’s. Americans have a long history of land grabs against opponents who were weaker, starting with the indigenous inhabitants, whose land it was (Manifest Destiny confirmed that white Americans had a right to the whole continent). In the war against Mexico in the 1840’s, the Americans grabbed a huge swath of Northern Mexico (including where I’m sitting right now in California). Then there’s the war in 1898 against Spain, a once great empire that had become weak, but still had substantial territories coveted by the Americans (especially Cuba and The Philippines).
Spot on assessment. Considering the order in council had been repealed, their only feasible reason for continuing was Canada which they openly expressed intent to conquer. Only a yank can start an offensive war finish on the defensive and claim victory. The US strategic geopolitical position would’ve been just as good if not better (loss to the merchant fleet) if the war never happened. It was only a matter of time before Britain would appease the young US over the Indian issue.
Uh, yeah, its called the Monroe Doctrine. By James Monroe, the founding father. America was instructed to always chip away at the monarchies of europe and to keep their hands out of our hemisphere. With our rising trade in the pacific, naturally the Phillipines were not left alone.
@@GG-ir1hw Canada was only added as a war goal in 1814 and later removed by congressmen because they saw Canadians as unfit for US citizenship. The British were forced to leave forts that they were occupying before the war of 1812 that were below the 49th parallel
The USA almost had a 2:1 manpower advantage, plus home court advantage, fighting a British empire who had one hand behind her back. Yet the Americans are the ones who left that war bankrupt, capital city burnt to the ground and not an inch of Canadian soil relinquished. The Americans are the ones who gave into British demands for a return to status quo so it was not an American victory, neither was it a draw it was 100% a British/Canadian victory
random house on a swamp was burnt down, britian stopped supplying natives with weapons and stopped impressment of US sailors which were the goals of the US, it is clear the US won
America won more of the battles in the war (especially the major ones). In fact when the British started sending reinforcements (which would mean the would be stronger), they started losing constantly in battles. the Canadian capital was sacked and burned so idk what you’re point is. gaining Canadian land was not the main goal and debatably not even a goal at all.
@holds absolutely no weight when you consider the fact that the main enemy (the British) capital was an ocean away. Americans love to use the burning of York as some sort of *gotcha* moment when they compare the sacking of a British colonial capital to the sacking of Washington, D.C. Also, the thought of winning Canada through force of arms while Britain was preoccupied with Napoleon was 100% on the minds of every pro-war politician at the time and it doesn’t take a genius to know that, they thought the conquest of Canada would be worth their while since Britain was preoccupied with Napoleon. Canada was the prize to winning the war. The temptation to declare war on Britain, win more territory and prestige, with a bullet proof casus belli was a temptation that the Americans couldn’t refuse. On paper the Americans should have steamrolled through Canada but their unpreparedness and bad leadership ensured that their advantages were meaningless
Its crazy how much has changed in the past 20 years let alone the past 200. It's even crazier to assume we've got it all figured out & there will be no more tumult & conflict.
You mean the war showed that the British didn't want the headache that forcing full compliance to British demands would cause. Having your capital burned down, your ports blockaded and enemy forces pushing to Louisiana is not a defensive victory. The whole affair is the equivalent of your big brother kicking you about after you get a bit antsy then deciding he can't be bothered when you manage to scratch him.
Burning down the White House meant nothing in the grand scheme of the war. They weren’t pushing into Louisiana since they were beaten at the battle of New Orleans. It was definitely a draw since neither side could win there goals and the end of the treaty made things status quo
In Erie, Pennsylvania we remember the war of 1812 every day. Our city moto is Dont Give Up the Ship. If you have any confusion as to who won the war, after the naval battle of Lake Erie Olizer Hazard Perry reported, " we have meet the enemy, and they are ours". I think we won!
@XSpamDragonX the battle of Lake Erie was a huge victory over the strongest navy in the world. It was a clear and decisive victory. We won the war. That's way we aren't British citizens. I was trying to be funny, but obviously the US won.
Americans are so defensive about this failure it's pretty funny. I couldn't imagine Americans arguing they didn't win a war if they were declared on and didn't lose anything.
As an American, I went to a NATO conference that had Canadian soldiers present. They had commemorative pins on their uniforms to honor the war of 1812. Awkward considering us two nations used to be at war but are now meeting as allies. I'm sure it was not as awkward as the Germans meeting with the British.
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I can understand placing like videos about Isis and the Nazis on armchair history TV as exclusives but feels kind of scummy when you put obscure topics on there only
1:20 "begs the question" doesn't mean to pose/raise/ask a question; begging the question is a particular kind of logical fallacy involving circular logic. Now please stop misusing the phrase.😊
The Canadians are sure they won the War of 1812, the Americans are pretty sure they didn't lose it, and the British have forgotten it entirely.
Lol
This is just like trying to determined a victor in the Korean War.
As a British, I can confirm that we do not forget having beaten the US in a war (and started a nice toasty blaze).
@@alphamikeomega5728that’s okay. We bailed your ass out 2 on the world stage, and then our own president, Bill Clinton, was the key negotiator in the Good Friday Agreement.
@@ContentEnjoyer-gm3ky I mean at least in the Korean War the US achieved all of its main aims of driving the North out of the South.
“This upset the British, who punished them severely”- Oversimplified
Shut up
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Im sad bro hasn't posted in almost a year 😢
@@wastelander4015 Me too man..
Well the Native Americans certainly lost this war
Agree
Poor Tecumseh he was so close, he just needed ONE trustworthy ally or competent company
They lost the day a European set foot in NA, and that's just the way it is.
We're obviously unbeatable , of course the Indians lost.
The are NO "native" Americans. The current red men are merely earlier INVADERS!
From the Canadian perspective they won, from the Native perspective they lost, and from the British perspective it was essentially a stalemate that didn’t need to happen.
Only countries that are independent can win not sad poor puppets
@@tbnrwolff3354 not gonna lie, that is sadly the most accurate way to paint Native Americans in this part of history.
They lost everything from one side, another side offers to help them and give them stuff IF THEY WIN WITH THEM.
Then they don't win and lose more somehow.
you included the native perspective but not the USA perspective, ?????
@@Samsung-1.9Cu.Ft.Microwavewhy he can’t do that ?
@@tbnrwolff3354nah, you tried to conquer us and failed, winners don't lose
Perhaps the true winners were the friends we made along the way?
actually in this case the friends we all made along the way were the only clear cut losers
Glen, shut up
In the Gallery
The Native Americans?
Actually true. The whole thing was so embarrassing for both England and the USA that they made an effort to get along better, so that they wouldn't have any more pointless wars over essentially just being jerks to each other. This extra effort towards diplomacy averted the Pig War.
Also any slaves that managed to escape during the war definitely won.
Britian proved they were the dominant military force
America proved it could hold its own.
Canada got a future as a nation
Cananda was Britain
@@mrhumble2937The idea of Canadian Independence and national Identity was forged in the fires of 1812. That’s what he meant, our national identity is built upon the war.
@@mrhumble2937 It's easier to represent it this way
"dominant military force", yet they were scared by Napoleon like nothing else
@@Samsung-1.9Cu.Ft.Microwave You know they defeated Napoleon right?😂
I learned this past weekend that the UK actually provides some materials that go towards the refurbishment and maintenance of the USS constitution, which they fought against during the War of 1812. An ironic yet touching display - warm regards to our British friends from 🇺🇸
🇬🇧 🤝 🇺🇸
It is one thing to be honored by your country, but it is another when your enemies declare witness to your heroism.
Once our colony. Now our brothers in arms. Long live the Anglosphere 🇬🇧🇺🇸
The time period as a whole had a lot more mutual respect for combatants than exists today. Especially at sea.
Sent you a nice desk too
Please make more videos on little known American history:
1. The Barbary Pirate campaigns (1807, 1811-1815)
2. The Creek wars (1813 & 1814)
3. The Nez Perce Resistance (1877)
4. Geronimo's Insurrection (1866-1878)
5. The Spanish-American War. (1899)
6. The Filipino Separatist Rebellion (1899-1904)
7. The ISIS War (2014-2017)
The fact that the war began before the news of the repeal could reach America highlights the importance of information transfer speed. They lost out on an opportunity to avoid a war because the technology of the day was just too slow.
The war was full of funny moments like that. The people of Niagara wrote the President a strongly worded letter about William Hull's behaviour during the occupation and the President goes "For real? Wow. This guy is a dick." and had him stripped of his rank/dishonoured.
Over a strongly worded letter from 'the locals'
@@TommoBoyyo Yeah, and the infamous Battle of New Orleans took place AFTER the Peace Treaty was signed, but before the news had reached New Orleans.
The internet was really slow back then.
In 1814 we took a little trip
Along with Colonel Jackson down the mighty Mississipp.
@@michaelchristy506 As DC smouldered in the Background.🔥
Along with Colonel Jackson down the Mighty Mississipp
In 1812 we did a little trolling 🔥 🇬🇧
we took a little bacon and we took a little beans
Very excited to see all these videos so close to one another AND getting better in quality. Keep up the good work!
British Navy: Yo dudes! The Empire’s pretty chill. Maybe you could like join it or something?
American Sailors: 😮
What a lovely way to end the day. Thank you!
Growing up in Ontario, I would hear about the war of 1812 all the time. As a kid, I remember seeing the battlefield of Qweenston hights. Thanks for the video :)
Every town in Ontario I swear has a Brock St or Brock Road....Queenston Heights was his end, but he won a few major victories
@@marklittle8805 and still held back the invaders
Essentially, diplomacy, war, and grand strategy aren't like a football game where you can simply tally up the score at the end and declare a clear-cut winner and loser.
And in this case, nobody can agree if the "football game" was played by American, Canadian, or Association rules...
My take as an American was we failed to achieve our war aims so we lost, Britain protected their colonies and kept us in check so they could focus on Napoleon so they won, and the natives pretty much got the shortest of the short end of the stick
It’s kinda like how we lost to you in 1776 we lost America but gained India you lost in 1812 but gained native land and rapidly expanded west it all sort of worked out in way
@@ThemoonsFullofgoons-qn9xl War of Being a Silly Lil Goose as one great historian once said
@@whiskey6964 war does have a funny side I’ll admit 😂
Uh. We did stop the impressment. Or the British did stop impressions. The British wanted us to be under their thumb again. Not sure that's a loss.
@@johnmassoud930 sorry bud your wrong. In the end, three years of warfare did nothing to settle one of the main causes of the war. Britain refused to yield on impressment. In fact, the U.S. peace commissioners at Ghent never even raised the issue of impressment, nor was it mentioned in the final treaty itself.
Love how you have all this knowledge
It's called research and finding sources ;)
Love how he keeps all of this information inside the part of his brain that remembers patterns and creates memories.
The British, unless a Brit says they did, in which case America did.
this is the correct response
Haha classic yank stubbornness
That's the correct answer
The British to every country in the world except in the USA where they cannot accept they lost.
@ptb2008 LOL, Americans simply don't care about the War of 1812. A lot don't even know that it happened.
In honor of our Canadian friends, I will describe this war using a modern hockey analogy. The war of 1812 was like an overtime hockey game. One side is declared the victor, yet everyone walks away with some points in the standings.
I’ve been to Queenston by the Niagara Falls. There is the statue of General Isaac Brock. After the War of 1812 the British made a citadel in Quebec as it was the glue which held British control over North America after the Revolutionary War. Turns out that it was in vain but serves as the base for the 22nd Squadron. If the Americans had captured Quebec they would have given it back to the French as a thanks for helping them defeat the British at Yorktown.
I don't know if that's likely. If the Americans had the chance to take full control of the St. Lawrence River and therefore access to the Great Lakes they would have taken it.
they made an offer to the Quebecois to surrender but the Quebecois didn't
Hi Griffin! Excellent video, and I learned some new things as always. I'm impressed how you and your team manage to crank out such quality history lessons so frequently. A tiny note that probably no one else noticed. It was maybe a year ago that I made the comment that I as a pipe smoker was irked to see animated smoke rising from your animated pipe, because that isn't how a pipe works - one has to keep puffing on it to keep it going, and if it's smoking on the desk that means the tobacco is just being wasted anyway. And I just noticed that in this video the animated pipe isn't smoking! I don't know if this is because the animator took my suggestion to heart or if it's just coincidence, but I was happy to see it! X'D Keep up the great work!
I forgot who said this in Mass effect but the quote goes "butter a reluctant Ally than a resentful enemy"
Wow someone talking about the war of 1812 and they actually mentioned the battle of New Orleans hats off to you good sir
Battle of New Orleans is overrated and didn't even happen during the war. Try Battle of Crysler's Farm.
I've never seen an American forget to obsess over their singular victory in a war THEY declared and got NOTHING for the lives lost.
Usually that, Fort McHenry and the sacking of Washington is all you hear about unless you are from Canada.
This was a great survey of the uniqueness of the War of 1812. I would be inclined to judge 'who won' by measuring victory against the objectives of those who prosecuted the war which you do in part. However, whilst it was part of a number of factors, alongside The Mexican-American War and Manifest Destiny that set up the US for major power status, pulling focus out by quite a distance ahead and into the realms of the unforeseen could be slightly fuzzy.
That said, by highlighting that is was a unique war where three participants arguably come out the better for having fought it, is a great beat on in the discussion, delivered in an entertaining and informed manner we've come to expect.
There wasn't 3 participants,there were 2, as Canada and England were one and the same at that point in history.
Something that was not mentioned in this video is that the UK got the financing for this war because of the French invation of Spain; New Spain and the government in Cadiz approved sending the "Royal fifth" of taxes that were usually sent to the Spanish Crown to be sent to pay the British Army and help them get rid of Napoleon in Spain, of course the payment was more than enough and so Britain got money for it's military expeditions all over the world. This compounded with south american counties like New Granada future Grand Colombia also paying the British in gold and silver but to figth off the Spanish there in their effor for independence. Many Latin american countries got into debt with England and this continued helping the British economy for decades.
We can even say that the lack of financing of the Mexican Army because of it's many issues and it's large debt with England made it so that they could not figth the Americans looking to expand west and so the US was able to expand further.
I know who won the War of 1812. It was my 3rd great-grandparents. My 3rd great-grandfather was from Newburyport, Massachusetts and my 3rd great-grandmother was from New Brunswick, Canada. They got married in Digby, Nova Scotia in March of 1815.
Sir Isaac Brock is a home hero to Guernsey, our shared home island! So glad to hear his name here!
There are all sorts of streets named in almost every Ontario town named for Brock, and the Town of Brockville as well.
15:45 wow, Québécois and Iroquois are wastly different than I expected on that coin lol.
Looks like they actually researched a bit
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There's a war of 1812 going on its own in the Comment Section.
Maybe the real victor was the friends we made along the way
in this case we (canada, UK, and USA) did become friends
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2:55 Back to the War of 1812.
Gods work sir! Gods work!
No one won the War of 1812. But Tecumseh's Confederacy lost terribly.
The slaves who managed to escape during the war won - but that's not really a "country" or "side," I guess.
Well, those who lost clearly were those who both deserved and needed a victory the most. That is the tragic story of that war in my eyes.
Wdym? The natives still got to live in Canada
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Thanks!
I'd say it was a draw if only because America got what it wanted before the war even started, the British got to show that Revolution aside, they were still a mighty empire to be reconned with.
The only losers were the Native allies to the Brits considering this was probably their last chance to stop western expansion.
Oh, and Canada won nothing because they weren't even a country yet. Seriously, it's like us saying we "won" the seven years war (or as it's called on this side of the pond, the French and Indian war) when we were just a bunch of colonies.
a,erica already knew it couldnt beat britain.
if britain wasnt occupied with a greater war then the USA wouldn;t have even dared try it.
It's like saying Germany won the Napoleonic Wars. It's anachronistic, but true in the sense that it gave Germany a chance to exist because Prussia and Austria helped defeat Napoleon, and dissolving the HRE lead to unification.
there were Canadian units at fort Detroit and fort Erie so your point is moot
The level of revisionist history in Canada concerning the War of 1812 is quite shocking. To this day, many Canadians still think it was always the United States goal to conquer Canada.
Dude, seriously
I mean semi correct, a faction (warhawks) wanted to conquer Canada but really wasn’t that huge of an objective
Thanks Armchair Historian, for posting this video right AFTER my APUSH War of 1812 unit ☹️
I am a Canadian and it is crazy how little people here know about 1812.
I wonder why the U.S. didn’t seek to ally with Napoleon? The French did help America gain her independence
Britain and France were already fighting a war, whats there to ally, France already had its hands full.
Allying with Napoleon also means making an enemy of half of Europe and the US was not even close to a superpower at the time.
And do what exactly ? They wouldn’t even be able to send aid to eachother because of British naval dominance
U.S din't want to involved any foreign conflicts, Washington already said that. Also everyone is at war against France, why US want to intervene?
Napoleon could care less about the Americas, hence why the Lousiana purchase happened.
@ The USS Constitution could. Also the French used to own the Louisiana area and could use it as a staging ground for French troops
Excellent video ACH!
I find that Canada's argument for a victory is lacking.
It did build a Canadian national identity, but that never came about until 40-60 years later.
(and the Canadians that claim that it was them who burned the white house are stupid, because they were BRITISH REGULARS that came from BRITAIN.)
There were Canadians in the British ranks!
@@steveramsey7983Still British regulars who burned the White House not Canadian regiments. Sure there were Canadian, but these were British regiments under direct British control
The British/Canadian forces had some tactical success during the war and prevented the US from achieving its war goals. On the seas American aligned privateers did a number on British commerce while avoiding battle with the Royal Navy.
Love your videos man good job 👍
A fascinating study of a war that's never discussed in the United Kingdom.
All the war did was achieve outcomes that could've easily come about with skilled diplomacy.
I know the war of 1812 from Age of Empires 3 Definitive Edition.
"Ontario" didn't exist until 1867. The name of the colony during the war was "Upper Canada."
They wrote the Star Spangled Banner but still felt the need to use a musical composition which was already an English song,written by an Englishman.
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@@jacobdewey2053 It's just a bit ironic that the words were written whilst being at war with the English,only to accompany those words with an English musical composition to use as the National Anthem.
Not trying to "own" anything.
The funnier bit was it was essentially the anthem for a pub society they took the tune from. Specifically, *The Anacreonic Society Anthem*, which was essentially the anthem to a group of bards, poets, and artists in pubs. Think there's still a tradition of free drinks if you can sing a few stanzas of the song.
Nicely informative video.
It is not clear who won, but it think it is clear that the Native Americans lost.
It is very clear who won, Britain and decisively. I have no idea how anyone could think it was not clear, if they know the outcome.
The USA started the war and were put back in their place and forced to agree to the status quo. They gained no groud. Washington was also destroyed. The USA definitely lost (like in Vietnam too). Indigenous American Nations fought alongside the Canadians and British, on the winning side. Some fought alongside the USA too.
Indigenous Americans as a whole had lost long before 1812 and continued to for a long time after as well.
@@MarkGovern The status quo means it was obviously a tie, not a loss for either side (except the Native Americans). The U.S. gained no ground but also lost no ground and did get most of their grievances cleared up.
If you think you can make a case for the indigenous peoples of Canada faring any better than those in the USA, please do so.
@@MarkGovern If you truly think this then you're either not intelligent enough or too blinded by British/Canadian nationalism to have a proper discussion about it
yo armchair historian you should make more playlists because all the ones you have have really old video's and i would like to see some new ones in a playlist
"Why does our copy of the Treaty of Ghent have a "Visit Oklahoma" travel brochure stapled to the back?"
-American Indians in 1815
I feel bad for the Native American community, being fucked over by the United States for centuries. I feel even worse that some of my ancestors were potentially involved in that.
The Trail of Tears and Indian removal happened 15+ years after that.
@MatthewTheWanderer my house is built along the route they took.
@@johndreibelbis1354 Cool, I've lived most of my life in the place they were forced to settle in.
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If everyone gained something seems more like nobody lost
i was not aware the British gave more rights to the natives than America
To be fair that was at the beginning of their settlement of what would become Canada, things got much worse later.
Both countries had a pass system and residential schools in the late 19th century. But in some cases Canada was worse, the US got rid of the pass system in 1924, Canada got rid of it in 1941. The US technically gave native people the right to vote in 1924 (though there were some restrictions until 1965) and in Canada native people couldn't vote until 1960.
They always did.
In the treaty that ended the American revolution America promised to uphold the treaties that Britain had with the natives.
Ok, I'm now interested to see how the Canadians saw the War of 1812 from their point of view & how/what started the issue when Napoleon was on a fighting victory campaign spree in Europe.
USA: We didn't lose the War of 1812
Canada: We won the War of 1812
UK: Was that the Napoleonic War DLC side quest?
so many new videos in such a short time!
Yo why is Schlatt in the thumbnail?
"Schlitoris" killed the queen
He's trying to make sure people don't know what he did in '99
come on we all know why
Amazing
This is what he did back in '99
I like how he uses animation to teach, while still providing crazy good information in words.
A true win-win situation (except if you died).
Great video, very accurate
Who won a war is all about whether or not they achieved their goals.
America started the war with the goal of gaining territory or, at the least, removing British influence in Canada. They failed that goal.
Meanwhile, Britain was initially on the defensive while dealing with Napoleon. They didn't want another war. The didn't want anything other than peace and to keep what they had. They succeeded in that goal.
Then after the peace deal America pretended that everything in the peace deal is what they were really after all along, honest. They've continued teaching that lie for 200 years. The narrative for many in America is that Britain wanted their colony back, and some people even believe Britain started the war.
Not necessarily the start of the war was cause of the British blockade in Europe imposed to stop the trade between Napoleonic France (who controlled half of europe) from the rest of the world, American sailors and ships were being seized by the British and impressed into their navy, this lead the US to declare war on the UK for it. The war did end in a stalemate but it ended impressment by the British and resulted in America being taken more seriously by the world stage (seeing as they held their own against the #1 power at the time) it was really the beginning of the Monroe doctrine and would later help in the case for establishing it.
@@jeanjean6611 lol Impressment ended not because the world took America more seriously nor was it because of the War of 1812, it ended because Napoleon was exiled in 1814, there was no further need for the UK to impress American sailors.
@@jeanjean6611 Impressment didn't end because of the war of 1812. The blockade didn't end because of the war of 1812.
Neither of those things were anti-American, nor pro-colonial. They were anti-Napoleon. Britain was in a massive European war and both of those things were a direct result of that. Meaning they ended with the defeat of Napoleon NOT 1812.
If fact the blockade was a perfectly standard part of being in a war. The allies blockaded Germany in WW1 and 2, and they tried to blockade us right back. There was nothing at all personal about it (How many countries did you hear whining about how they couldn't trade with Germany during the wars? Let alone actually go to war over it...)
Britain gave nothing in the peace deal as a result of the war, it was all stuff they were doing anyway. Britain lost nothing and succeeded in its war goal.
As for what happened after the war. Irrelevant.
After WW2 Japan became a huge industrial powerhouse. Does that mean they won the war? In fact it can be easily argued that because of the war afterwards they had less money for the military and therefore more to invest in business, so their economic boom was a direct result of the war.
But none of that matters. They lost the war because they failed to get they war goals, and that is how you count victory/ loss in a war.
Yes we started a war totally it's not like our people were being kidnapped and forced into a war they didn't want to fight oh wait they were which means we didn't start the War the British did because they decided to do something stupid and they had to pay for it the only people that paid are the innocent and that does not include the British
Mainly because us Americans low key hate people in the UK
Last time I was this early, European presence in North America was a single colony in Jamestown
The Americans failed in their literal objectives of seizing land, but also won in terms of the actual why the war began, essentially reducing British influence and making it clear that being belligerent with the Americans was not worth the hassle. The British held on to land, but also lost legitimacy with the Native American tribes they threw under the bus to take make it happen which lead to the loss of influence.
But even if it is considered an American defeat, the consequences of the war somehow benefitted the Americans far more than the British in the long run. Ultimately, I would say it was a British victory, but also a pyrrhic victory.
calling it Pyrrhic implied they put alot of value in what was lost over their position as Hegemon in the World because France challenged it by taking Europe over
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The two major aims of starting the war of 1812 was to end British impressment of US sailors and to stop the British arming of native Americans in the US frontier. The suspension of the Orders of Council did not do either of these things.
The war accomplished both of these goals for the US.
England did not benefit at all from the war. It only cost them men and money and diverted resources from the war with France.
Canada survived the war, they were forced into it because of faulty US logic. Politicians still have not learned that if you invade someone’s country, they will not see you as “liberators”.
You are incorrect. President Madison stated three reasons for starting the war. None of these reasons are addressed in the Treaty of Ghent. You are implying that due to the end of the wars in Europe this stopped the British Navy impressment. The treaty doesn’t mention this! The narrator in this video basis his decision on issues which were not mentioned in the treaty!
@@steveramsey7983Did or did not the Americans ultimately get what they wanted with ending impressment and the arming of the Indian Confederacies? The treaty was neutral and vague, but we can look at what the physical consequences of peace were.
@ I see your point as being technically correct in everything except saying the I am incorrect.
When the treaty of Ghent was signed. All of the stated reasons the US had for starting the war were resolved. The treaty was and is a political document. You can argue all day about what the treaty says. But the facts are that the treaty ended the war and the British never again did any of the behaviors to the US that the US started the war over.
To stop a war, typical one side needs to decimate the other, or both side need to walk away being able to claim they “won”. That is exactly what happened.
Maybe you are correct in saying I’m wrong. Could you please show me one instance post the war of 1812 where the British impressed US sailors, or where they armed the native Americans in the west, or interfered with US shipping?
I argue that the US met all of their original aims at the end of the war. And those goals were permanently met.
No one knows if the US did not fight the war if Britain would have been more aggressive towards the US after it was done fighting France. But everyone knows that after the war. Britain did not mess with the US anymore.
@@peterjones5243they don’t end impressment. Impressement was ended before the war even began, news simply did not get to North America in time.
@@jlchambe77the UK wasn’t truly messing with the states to begin with.
Studies in the last few years have shown that the vast majority of sailors who were impressed were deserters of the Royal Navy.
Additionally the Impeachment of sailors had already ended before the war began, news simply did not reach NA in time however.
The UK did not want to mess with the States to begin with, not because of the results of the war of 1812 but because there was literally no point in doing so
Thanks to Animaniacs I will forever remember this line: "James Madison never had a son, & he fought in The War Of 1812."
The only winner in the War of 1812 was Tchaikovsky.
came here to say that 😂
The "1812 Overture" was about Napoleon's failed invasion of Russia, not the War of 1812, lol.
@@MatthewTheWanderer clearly you’ve never played Civilization.
@@lejohnbrames9392 I most certainly have, many times!
@ I’m not creative enough to come up with this quote on my own.
Can’t wait for more historical content!!!!
Loving this content!
You should really consider a video on the Irish rebellion of 1798. It is very obscure outside of Ireland, yet it is rife with tragedy, heroism, tense battles and brutal killings.
An interesting narrative.
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I came straight to the comment section to see if any red coats want a rematch.
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Love war of 1812 history thank you Armchair historian.
As a Canadian the fact our country still exists is a sign to me that we won this war
It's similar to Gallipoli 1915. The campaign was lost, but the australians and new zealanders gained a national identity
You know who lost the war of 1812? Big old fat Winfield Scott.
He lived for so friggin’ long… it’s insane.
Well we all know who clearly lost: the natives
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I think it's noteable how most of the world outside of North America never even heard of this war
if you say "the war of 1812" most people would probably think of the Napoleonic invasion of Russia
I read a history of the Napoleonic Wars written by a British historian, and he considered the American declaration of war against Britain as a stab in the back, similar to Benito Mussolini’s declaration of war against France in 1940. In 1812, Britain was locked in an existential war against Napoleon, who wanted to dominate Europe; and in 1940 France was locked in an existential war against Hitler, who wanted to dominate Europe.
As an historian, I think one of the Americans’ main goals in the War of 1812 was to conquer Canada, as they tried to do during their War of Rebellion in the 1770’s. Americans have a long history of land grabs against opponents who were weaker, starting with the indigenous inhabitants, whose land it was (Manifest Destiny confirmed that white Americans had a right to the whole continent). In the war against Mexico in the 1840’s, the Americans grabbed a huge swath of Northern Mexico (including where I’m sitting right now in California).
Then there’s the war in 1898 against Spain, a once great empire that had become weak, but still had substantial territories coveted by the Americans (especially Cuba and The Philippines).
Spot on assessment. Considering the order in council had been repealed, their only feasible reason for continuing was Canada which they openly expressed intent to conquer. Only a yank can start an offensive war finish on the defensive and claim victory. The US strategic geopolitical position would’ve been just as good if not better (loss to the merchant fleet) if the war never happened. It was only a matter of time before Britain would appease the young US over the Indian issue.
Uh, yeah, its called the Monroe Doctrine. By James Monroe, the founding father. America was instructed to always chip away at the monarchies of europe and to keep their hands out of our hemisphere. With our rising trade in the pacific, naturally the Phillipines were not left alone.
@@GG-ir1hw Canada was only added as a war goal in 1814 and later removed by congressmen because they saw Canadians as unfit for US citizenship. The British were forced to leave forts that they were occupying before the war of 1812 that were below the 49th parallel
USA never controlled 25% of the planet.
Good info thanks. Good conversation in the comments lol. It clearly depends on perspective as to who won.
The USA almost had a 2:1 manpower advantage, plus home court advantage, fighting a British empire who had one hand behind her back. Yet the Americans are the ones who left that war bankrupt, capital city burnt to the ground and not an inch of Canadian soil relinquished. The Americans are the ones who gave into British demands for a return to status quo so it was not an American victory, neither was it a draw it was 100% a British/Canadian victory
random house on a swamp was burnt down, britian stopped supplying natives with weapons and stopped impressment of US sailors which were the goals of the US, it is clear the US won
America won more of the battles in the war (especially the major ones). In fact when the British started sending reinforcements (which would mean the would be stronger), they started losing constantly in battles. the Canadian capital was sacked and burned so idk what you’re point is. gaining Canadian land was not the main goal and debatably not even a goal at all.
@holds absolutely no weight when you consider the fact that the main enemy (the British) capital was an ocean away. Americans love to use the burning of York as some sort of *gotcha* moment when they compare the sacking of a British colonial capital to the sacking of Washington, D.C. Also, the thought of winning Canada through force of arms while Britain was preoccupied with Napoleon was 100% on the minds of every pro-war politician at the time and it doesn’t take a genius to know that, they thought the conquest of Canada would be worth their while since Britain was preoccupied with Napoleon. Canada was the prize to winning the war. The temptation to declare war on Britain, win more territory and prestige, with a bullet proof casus belli was a temptation that the Americans couldn’t refuse. On paper the Americans should have steamrolled through Canada but their unpreparedness and bad leadership ensured that their advantages were meaningless
@@TonicSmily They didn’t even win more battles anyway. 😂
@@phoenixrose1192They did, mostly defensive battles, the only offensive battles I can think of was towards York which was also burnt lol
My direct ancestor was a brig general in the 1812 war out of Kentucky. He was at the battle that saw Tecumseh die
The British and Canadians did.
Nope.
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petition to change "Indians" with native Americans
Its crazy how much has changed in the past 20 years let alone the past 200. It's even crazier to assume we've got it all figured out & there will be no more tumult & conflict.
“Don’t know who won but the Indian tribes lost” -some smart guy
Still crazy that an important battle of this war took places a few miles away from where I live yet nobody ever talks about it, I live by the Niagara.
You mean the war showed that the British didn't want the headache that forcing full compliance to British demands would cause. Having your capital burned down, your ports blockaded and enemy forces pushing to Louisiana is not a defensive victory.
The whole affair is the equivalent of your big brother kicking you about after you get a bit antsy then deciding he can't be bothered when you manage to scratch him.
White house was crap back then. Barely any people in the capital.
Burning down the White House meant nothing in the grand scheme of the war. They weren’t pushing into Louisiana since they were beaten at the battle of New Orleans. It was definitely a draw since neither side could win there goals and the end of the treaty made things status quo
This feels like the British equivalent of the Yanks saying they didn't lose Vietnam 😂
@@mrhumble2937 So was Ottawa, and the North Americans were outnumbered it still didn't get burned down, tremendous cope.
@MrTibs-y3d they didn't.
In Erie, Pennsylvania we remember the war of 1812 every day. Our city moto is Dont Give Up the Ship. If you have any confusion as to who won the war, after the naval battle of Lake Erie Olizer Hazard Perry reported, " we have meet the enemy, and they are ours". I think we won!
What a hilariously small minded view.
@XSpamDragonX the battle of Lake Erie was a huge victory over the strongest navy in the world. It was a clear and decisive victory. We won the war. That's way we aren't British citizens. I was trying to be funny, but obviously the US won.
16:34 British interpretations of history will never not be funny
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Americans are so defensive about this failure it's pretty funny. I couldn't imagine Americans arguing they didn't win a war if they were declared on and didn't lose anything.
As an American, I went to a NATO conference that had Canadian soldiers present. They had commemorative pins on their uniforms to honor the war of 1812. Awkward considering us two nations used to be at war but are now meeting as allies. I'm sure it was not as awkward as the Germans meeting with the British.
Canada won. The end
Country full of losers
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@@michaelturner5050also known as the United States
Canada wasn’t a country, it was referred to as British North America 🤦♂️