Same. But I used to play it. I think I'm more interested in whether the cost of T1/2 gear has started to climb to the same expense. If they haven't then it's time for players to buy until it does and then hold on to the gear and sell when it's at what they think is the optimum value ;)
I just spent 2 minutes reading and replying to a comment about how someone watched a 20 minute video about the virtual price charts of a game they don't even play.
An interesting bonus item(s) for this week's Eve Talk might be strip miners / mining laser upgrades as it sounds like barges might be back as the kings of mining
Yeah they make more sense now, i saw someone linking a picture of an anom in null and the rocks in it was tiny, a rorqual would get close, go into industrial core mine one maybe two cycles with the drones and the rock is gone, leaving you locked in place for x time. It has always been risky but now it is risky and pointless, my porpoise mines ok and can move faster to get close to the next rock. Maybe i will sell the barges i have up now :)
They need to rework mining from the ground up. It's so one dimensional and rudimentary. Point and click then switch to mine different rock mode at the click of a button.
I have been playing since 2003, and i remember the mineral prices at that time, the low prices were kinda fixed, as NPC's had buy orders for minerals all around New Eden. 1 Tritanium 4 Pyerite 16 Mexallon 64 Isogen 256 Nocxium 1024 Zydrine 4096 Megacyte 16384 Morphite This was so for quite some years...
I remember long lim roes and killing people doing it to drive the price up before doing it ourselves. NPC buy orders kn certain things were on a sliding scale.
Daaamn, if minerals continue to rise in price i might start mining ore again. I havent done that in like 3 years. When i started playing EVE, i could sell Isogen for 120 ISK and Pyerite for 12 ISK. Even as a casual miner you could make some ISK.
I stopped playing eve a couple years ago after 13 years of loyal subbing. One thing that always erked me was that it was difficult to just be a casual miner and cover your expenses (crystals, taxes, refinement charges etc). This was because 0.0 roqs would drain the resources like crazy! even in 0.0 barge mining was pointless next to these bad bois (who got all touchy if you mined their rock). It sounds like this was a balance pass long needed and might even tempt me back for a bit to see how it goes
Rorqs are fixable without taking a hammer to the entire economy. Many solutions have been suggested already but CCP does not want to listen. I don't think assuming that they have different priorities to the playerbase would be much of a stretch. Sure they've 'fixed' Rorqs and bottlenecked capital production but at the cost of causing numerous other problems. Just... why.
Yep, I canceled by two Sub (over 10 years each) after I could no longer casually mine on one, which supported my other combat player. Prices was the primary reason, CODE was the second. I always found solo mining very relaxing while reading, but CCP and players pushed that playstyle out of the game. So that resulted in my 2 canceled subs
@@dusk1947 CODE are the lowest form of scum in the game. I dread to think how many new players CCP have lost due to being constantly ganked by CODE yet CCP still refuse to do anything about it. With these latest changes it feels like they are intending to force pvp onto everyone in the game so no more carebear safe systems....
@@Big_Gaz_1 I'm sorry but eve is a PvP game they will never touch the likes of CODE, they're stupidly easy to avoid and are no where near as much of an issue as people make them out to be
I've been hearing a lot of Doom & gloom about this. My perspective is that for some time now EvE has been subdivided into two separate games mostly defined by security zones. I think this move is congruent with CCP's recent comments in an effort to make different regions more reliant upon each other's existence. Null is basically the same as high sec where player alliances & corps assume the role of the NPC corps and low is just a place to go to pick a random fight. I can see the forced commerce between high and null bringing those two together while turning low into a real pirates paradise. There's gonna be fallout here that is not just about commerce, at least I hope.
CCP insists that a shortage is required. They have not shared why nor have they actually shared exactly what problem it is they are trying to fix. The way they've set this up has made it difficult for anybody to criticise their actions but a lot of people certainly do not trust their motives. They haven't given us much reason to. And have made a habit of 'fixing' problems by taking a hammer to the undisclosed problem and everything around it.
@@viktoriyaserebryakov2755 that's fair to say. Conversely they have always been pretty good with putting to use the excessive amount of data at their disposal. Gonna be a wait n see. Like I said I hope this shakes up the separation between the beginner and endgame communities.
@@jasonwaltman3566 I'd disagree. If I were to make an example I'd bring up the number of titans CCP initially expected to exist in the game. Then how many there are now. They seem to believe they must change the entire economy to address this. But I'd like to ask you how many Moloks do you think are in the game right now? Are faction supers not exactly what CCP had at first envisioned? They know exactly how to do it. I'd even say they very well wanted not to. For so long they used these large battles and super capitals as marketing in an attempt to lure more people into the game at the cost of it's health and instead they've chased people away. So no I really don't trust CCP at all. As I understand it. CCP had a full time economist on hand. Had. If that's true and I'm not being deceived when I'm being told they've let that person go already then it certainly begins to make a little more sense to me as to why it appears that they're just throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks. They're drying up the supply to... "see what it does to the market." They know full well what it's going to do. So no. I don't believe them. I'm actually all for dynamic ore spawns or something similar. I have been for some time. But what they're doing isn't making all that much sense. I don't see why you should have to to attack somebody to mine their resources, and they you to mine yours. That makes no sense. And whatever effect they're looking to achieve there can be done so and more simply so. They need to take each individual problem and address them individually instead of making sweeping changes thinking it will only make changes for the better without dire and 'unforeseen' consequences.
@C That doesn't explain why the supply must be artificially removed. I can understand procedural generation. I'm an advocate for it actually. I can also understand why less wealth would also be good for the game. I like both of these things. But none of these explain the other. Offensive mining? Real life wars? That is nothing like real life. I don't understand what he's trying to achieve and I guarantee you that whatever he's trying to do it can be done without making such broad and risky changes. Is he trying to make the game more exciting? Is he trying to bottleneck super capital production? Reduce average income? Nerf Rorquals? Like what is the specific issue here and which of his actions address which problem. I can just about guarantee you that between me and you if we went through each of those problems one step at a time we could come up with alternative solutions that don't affect everything else. I don't think these people can be complete morons so I'm inclined to believe that their interests don't necessarily align with ours.
@C Such changes always hurt the little guy more. The large alliances only have to sit on their stockpiles and minimise losses until we see better times again. I'd say there's even less reason to fight. It'll be too costly. Meanwhile everybody else starves in an environment already inhospitable to new alliances. An even greater disadvantage than before. Null sec will adapt. Which is exactly why these changes will reduce the power one can wield but it will never change the balance of said power. They need to be much more surgical with their proposed changes. And each change needs to address one very specific problem. We can't treat symptoms as the problem and be surprised when problems keep arising. For example. If we were to focus specifically on nullifying over reliance on Rorquals. Remove the drones. Turn the siege module into a long cycling mining beam that extracts ore from one target throughout the cycle. Redistribute or spawns so that only certain ore types will spawn as large asteroids. Everything else spawns as more numerous and smaller asteroids. All of a sudden attempting to mine everything with Rorquals is inefficient. Rorquals now have their role on the game. Exhumers now have a job to do as well. Both are now needed. So if the very specific problem we're addressing here is Rorquals solving every problem. Then this very specific solution hopefully addresses that with minimal alterations to everything else in the game. That's the kind of approach I wish CCP would take to things. Not everything is a nail. There are a lot of good ideas out there in the community. Keep smacking everything with a hammer and you're going to break more than you fix.
Great news. The game was always based on the premise of high sec mining until griefers and whalers came along with no consequence. Hope to see some of the enormous 0.0 corps protecting their suppliers in high sec.
Honestly this is all pointing towards making small gang/small corp mining more powerful. Which has always been the ultimate goal of the game. Requiring fewer and fewer people needed to make an impact on the market means more and more smaller groups of people can truly enjoy the EVE endgame. I've flown for test alliance back in the day (Late Apochypha. Thinking with wormholes) and the people required to hold 0.0 is rediculous. It makes sense if you can put up a solid financial fight with 100 people vs 1000.
I'm actually a bit worried over all this. As funny as it is to see so many people crying, this is a massive hit all at once for a large amount of people. I have never mined much, and don't own a Rorqual but do have an alt character in a mostly mining/industrial corp. Between this and the DDOS and other past issues, a lot of people have actually quit. I honestly feel bad for the people who did spend tons of time skilling into careers that change drastically to the point its not what they want to do anymore. On average we had maybe 30-50 people on at peak times and now there is like 5-10 and it feels really gloomy and, yeah, now others are questioning it. I've gained approx 15 billion in just ISK and one Carrier I can't even pilot from people just handing away assets. Again, funny that people are doing this...maybe, but also scary in a game that already feels empty sometimes.
I'm back from a 3 year break - re subscribed 3 accounts for 6 months and bought a platinum pack because why the hell not. Also I'm loving these changes, EVE needs Chaos, EVE is chaos.
This demand is clearly noticeable even on small scale. Take for example mining with something as humble as Venture. I remember that last year full ore hold would give you some 390-550k ISK in ore sales (high sec mining) and some 225-450k in mineral reprocessing (minus charges ofc). Today i sold one hold of Veldspar+Plagioclase for 650k ISK and then when I reprocessed roughly same amount in second run, minerals were worth of 740k (In Amarr). Couple of days back I sold hold full of reprocessed Scordite in Jita for 850k. Prices are totally crazy. It's more worth to just sell minerals alone instead of ore and small scale manufacturing is just plain 50% loss.
Like all of the changes in the last few years. It is a matter of wait and see. Most of the complaint is coming from Null-Sec Rorqual miners. Personally I do not value moon specific ores, so the removal of standard ores would reduce the attraction to setup on a moon. Some of the high-end minerals are available from Emerging Conduits. I am certainly curious to see if the increases the interest to mine there. Because, picture the situation. A Conduit in a given system would normally spawn after 10 minutes. But now, if the miners are holding the site down while they mine over a period of several hours - does this prevent the re-spawn of a fresh Conduit? In separate/adjacent point - I would like to see Outer Ring Excavations more accessible to mission for. There are two NPC Null systems which contain the Agents of ORE, which are pretty much camped 23/7. A future change to something like the Learning Implant removal, would make the Harvest Implant set more desirable to utilize. Additions like ORE faction upgrades and surveyors add some scope to barge/frigate mining, playing into the Risk/Reward metric.
I think they will respawn after 10 minutes even if the old site is still there with people mining, only way for me in Highsec now to get Nocxium, or i have to go to low sec.
@@BerraLJ Honestly thats how it should have been the orca and rorq are support ships meant to boost fleets. ccps mistake was continuing to buff them for mining on their own when that should have just been an added bonus to their support role.
I've been saying this for the last few years. Ccp is making it harder to make money and making the cost of manufacture higher. I truly think they are trying to encourage Plex purchases. They claim they want to bring in new players but the time investment new players must commit to just make money drives them away.
The game is boring as fuck because people can just sit and farm with impunity. Sparser minerals will mean that krabs will have to travel into other systems to mine... Oh the horror!
@romaneeconti02 Hmm i came back roughly 6 months ago, with a few goals, one was to fly the now less useful rorqual, guess it can sit in the hangar collecting dust untill CCP is done with whatever they are doing. So i would not consider myself a veteran(even if char was made in 2003)
It's even gone to the Basgerin super market. 2 weeks ago there were probably a dozen supers and titans there, now theres none. Even the nyxes that were 26 27 are gone. Luckly I got my Aeon before the changes, though now im probably gonna turn around and try to double the value on it.
I bought a Rorqual, and was going to buy a 2nd one, but , due to Nerf, that investment strategy has to be reviewed. That opportunity was good for around 5 years since 2012-14 (+/- 2 years.)
@@qumefox The total quantity of ore has been drastically reduced. You might make more ISK per tick but there isn't going to be much ore for people to mine. And you'd also have to pay a hell of a lot more for anything you buy.
Due to the recent changes to the resource distribution in New Eden, I have an idea for a topic you might consider for one of your videos. While I like CCP trying to reduce the self sufficiency of different groups by moving ore around and lowering the overall quantity. I think that a better and more lasting change would be to implement a system that effects the resources and their distribution density based on actual mining activity. What I envision is a system that can push resources around the map forcing a more dynamic interaction on the very base level of the game. And preventing the stagnation of supply chains and self sufficiency of large areas of space. These changes in my opinion should effect moon mining, asteroid belts, ice belts, and resources anomaly's. I deeply feel that this could be a huge positive change for the game and could introduce entire new niche areas of gameplay for players to carve out. If you have the time please let me know if you think this could possibly be a topic that you would be interested in looking into further.
Yeah that's actually a really good idea, I am curious as to why CCP didn't do it this way. Maybe they thought it would upset even more people than this change.
CCP plans to implement a dynamic resource system as the end goal of the changes, but needs to collect data and cause shortages to shake all the years of excess out of the market first.
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Great change! Really... the supremacy of rorqual mining fleets has eroded the mineral markets for years. They made acquiring the base components child's play for any organized group, and that has trickled through the market and player behavior for quite some time. They essentially broke the rorqual monopoly
I'm a solo Rorqual with two exhumers helping me. Why am I being punished for focusing a years worth of skill points. I'm being shafted. I build stuff, I don't sell Ore and my killboard is very green. I'm not a carebear this entire change hurts players who focused on one area.
@@The_Conqueeftador part of the problem was the dislike of "carebears" in the first place, pushing out players who enjoy that play style and could have grown as players only lessens the number of active players and cuts CCP's revenues. Second was how CCP managed the resource economy in game. They built a system that is top heavy and allows for rapid generations of base materials, this skewed the economy. Originaly there were large numbers of small indy pilots who valued resource generation, we effecivly had an army of workers gathering. But that playstyle was activly hunted and largely pushed out of the game. So instead of an army of workers, we then had a select few elites capable of gathering the same qualities (enter capital industrials). But the number of elites has grow to now be an army of elites, watering down an economy that was designed for exumers and barges. You as a player didn't create those conditions, you saw an opening and perused it. But you capitalizing a game system doesn't make it anymore or any less sustainable or stable. CCP should value overall market health over the gains or losses of any individual player, if not the market will get out of hand and collapse other areas of the game
I think the Rorq income capacity shifted the $$ in the eyes of many for years. All of a sudden ppl expected to be able to produce a few capitals/yrs solo if you were solo-mining in one. Now we'll see if that snaps back a little, it was real bad for a bit there in 2016-21017 ish.
I remember when tritanium was selling for 14isk before they put it in the ABC's in large amounts. I stopped playing cause after null, high sec mining wasn't worth doing and everyone I used to play with had already quit ages ago.
I don't understand why they would nerf 0.0 mining? There is still risk to mining out there were there is basically 0 risk high sec mining in a orca.....I always thought eve was risk=reward but it's more afk=reward
@Green Life but there also is a far worse problem in the same area in high sec....so I donno man there is alot of boys in high sec making a tone of money too...all hurting 0.0 does is make more bots move into high sec and the newer guys lose out to them there and make 0.0 less worth
The price of ships is way down now from when I started playing in 2014. I had an accunt earlier than that, I think 2010, but can't find it now. Anyways, the point is that ships are way too cheap as well as anything that uses a lot of minerals. This is a good change in my opinion. Miners should see a nice boost in income now. I don't even mine much, but I'm glad to see them making more isk.
No it's an awful change. There are much simpler ways to achieve the same good results without taking a hammer to the entire economy. It would help if they actually shared exactly what problem it is they are trying to fix but they aren't being very transparent about that. We're only left to guess at and accept whatever they do. And they do not have a good track record of actually fixing problems. They used to have a full time economist on hand. People keep telling me they threw him out already. If that's true...
@@skidmech2909 So, you are saying that the average price in 2014 for a hurricane was 16m? I stated in my post when I started playing on my current account.
A year after PA paid CCP almost 1/2 bil for Eve? Doubt it. They might be trying to defund some of the power blocks in null. Imperium really knew how to exploit and rorq spam null all they way to supplying nearly 80% of all ores mined in New Eden.
I look forward to the shift, but hope CCP follows through and gives us a solid end result. There is some fairly decent risk in alienating some of the player base now. I still think this will likely be a longterm good for the health of the game, but only if CCP does it correctly.
@@OriginalWarwood I used to run 5 accounts, I run 2 now, and log on occasionally to do some 1v1 faction warfare pvp. Nullsec is dead (unsbubed my titan and nyx). No more need for a jita trading alt. Kept my 2 pvp accounts. Ive been around since the start. I remember when 80k people actually logged on. Not 20k people and 10k bots, and mining alts.
We'll need to see how this pans out, but if supply goes down, the mineral prices will go up. This will cause significant inflation, which has been relatively stable for a while. The idea is to make it more lucrative to mine, but it'll also make it that much more lucrative for botters, just exacerbating the existing mining bot issues
Only thing i'm worried about is how will they affect hisec moon mining or moon mining in general? I cant see them taking all the abcs away from them, all they could do (if they do anything at all) is decrease the amount of volume you get per cycle, which wont worry me, i'll just drop another athanor if that the case to make up volume...and make more isk as the prices go up. Dont know why everyone crying about this change..esp in null...you just need to mine your ore from moons...not normal belt or anomalies...I dont get it...its eve, learn to adapt
@@wtf22playa56 yes man, they are murdering the eve economy and nobody knows why, i personally believe its so they can sell more plex because it will just drive up the price of all modules and ships in the game. many players dont mine or rat or do anything to make isk, they just pull out the credit card and buy 10billion worth of plex. now they will just have to buy more plex, because the prices of everything in game went up.
@@wtf22playa56 no the moon goo rocks will remain supposedly they will play with the normal mineral amounts in said moon ore but given all high secs are r4s their overall usefulness is questionable after the change.
ships and modules have increased to incredible amounts already. which means i have stopped pvping with any real risk, because if i loose something (i dont mine) it will take me 3x longer to make up the isk to get another one now, which really just isnt worth that much time or enjoyment. so, ive unsubbed, until this bullshit is over with. in the end it just looks like CCP is trying to make all the in game items cost more, so people who just buy plex, have to buy more plex, more often to get modules and ships. (this just looks like a money grab to me)
My Corp runs several dazzling spoud moons and well even there you can see big jumps in - 0.6 area So we gonna keep the ore from the last two months. It would so much calm down if ccp would name the change what they gonna add for deleting the basic ore on moons. Like 0.0 lost spoud in the belts and now also from the moon. 😭
watching this makes me kinda wana get back into eve ... i havnt played for 10 years, hell i still have my original destroyer from 2006 and was just thinking ... damn this ship is older then some teens ... and maybe older then some players of eve, but .. i was stip mining belts long before the barge rebalances and i have i think 1 or 2 station containers full of minerals ... so thinking about jumping back in
I had always wondered how long the ores would last. In a real world situation, a mining company would eventually run out of copper, silver, etc, and have to find it somewhere else. I always got a laugh at being able to repeatedly mine the same belts day after day. I always thought it would be more realistic if you mined the same asteroid for months, before moving on to the next asteroid. If they diminish the amount of ores that can be mined, eventually the pew-pew kings will run out of ships.
The shit thing is they did it close to christmas and new years. Then they never reverted that change before this new mineral change. Null Sec is a joke right now for mining.
Looks like the big bois are in panic mode, trying to suck up all the material they can while the prices are still relatively low in the hopes of making an enormous profit.
If I recall correctly, Compressed is 100 units squished down to the size of 1 unit, plus when you reprocess, you're reprocessing 1 Compressed instead of 100 regular.
1 compressed ore = 1 standard ore in materials processed, but compressed is 1/100th the volume than regular. This means you can haul 100x the amount of ore in a compressed state than just regular ores. Again, refining 100 compressed vs 100 standard ores yield the same amount of minerals.
the reduction in volume makes it easy to trade in quantity for a newer player, as well. You can carry a few hundred mil of the stuff in a t1 Indy ship. I just fill the fleet hangar and cargohold of my Orca and go to Jita, if it's Spod (which used to come out of two moons I mined at). I could haul a bit over a billion's worth on a trip-though that's two weeks of mining for me as I refuse to bot.
Viscous (dense); pronounced: "Viskus". I wouldn't recommend buying vicious ore, it has a propensity for violence and can cause massive harm to your hull :p
Players: Hey CCP, this one alliance is dicking us all down because they have so many supers and massive material stockpiles CCP: How about we make it harder for everyone to get anything?
So CCP is going to nerf pretty much all aspects of mining? Yeild/asteroid size/spawn rates?? Time to mine like crazy for the next month guys, and hold on to that ore. $$$$
When all there is left to do is stockpile, if its infinite, what is there to do next? Build bigger and bigger armies, ships, and so on... Really what is there to do?
You're running into the primary challenge of any sandbox mmo. You make your own purpose. And when all of the "purpose" seems like it's no longer fun or worth the time you start asking "What's the point?"
Good move by CCP. the shortage will drive up income for same effort, as it works its way through production it will suck up the trillions of isk out there. Glad i invested my excess isk into ships sitting in low sec stations. Salvaging will also become more worthwhile new players.
Why wasn't there a single corp advert on that board? Just that stupid New Eden store advert. I've been gone for awhle, did somethin happen to corp adverts?
looks like they are taken out of rotation for now. I think it's a decent amount of work to keep them updated and i can imagine they fell behind too much which resulted in too many outdated adverts.
Rorq's are only sustainable for large alliances, and large alliances have ruined the game. Anything Eve Online can do to support CORP level activities will make people happy, subscriptions grow, and bliss for the investors. Believe it lady.
Been informed that a rorqual in anoms in null can finish a rock in no time so not really worth using for regular ore considering you are locked down for 5 minutes and you use fuel. Removing Crokite and replacing it with Kernite is not great, one of them has Nocxium the other does not.
@romaneeconti02 Sure i did mine that in low sec, but if the content of each rock is a fraction of what it used to be a rorqual is like using a cannon to kill of some mosquito.
@@BerraLJ from what i heard in another video the anom changes weren't to the smaller rocks its that they removed the BIG rocks so only the smaller yield ones remained making use of excavators meh because of their speed and such
this is making repairs with a sledgehammer... I can´t imagine they thought about all consequenses... doubling the prices for base minerals means doubling prices for all products like ships - means perhaps lose your ship will much harder to replace and therefore players think about PvP twice ..opposite of the wanted effect...
Why do people say Eve is a sandbox game, it's obvious CCP has their hand in every aspect and you play the way they want you to or you don't play at all.
I really pitty CCP, they have to try to accommodate for all the whiners. In another place on internet there were these ppl ceaying about how imbalanced the game was because if mass production of supercapitals, or something like that. And now here we have the other side of the coin saying that CCP wants ppl to buy PLEX. Woth this mining changes mas production of ships wont be that easy, and great corps will think it twice before deploying capitals.
for the first time in years i unistall eve online from my PC, not enter in the game since setember or something like that, CCP is creating inflation on the game, tell me something new, for me the reason is to sell more plexes. nothing more, nothing less.
thats a possibility lets be honest we all knew something was coming after blackpearl bought them eve was valued at what around 30m a few years ago and blackpearl bought them for 450m
Don't play this shi't!!! I lost 7 year, and still I can’t play the game and do my favorite mining! Refine broke, Salvage broker, drop broker! Dumb rats will break everything everywhere!
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I just spent 20 minutes watching a video about the virtual price charts of a game I don't even play.
I never understood eve...love the graphics ..just don't get the objective lol ...
@@hawkresources6725 The objective is to chase that intense high you get from real risk taking. EVE can be very thrilling.
Same. But I used to play it. I think I'm more interested in whether the cost of T1/2 gear has started to climb to the same expense. If they haven't then it's time for players to buy until it does and then hold on to the gear and sell when it's at what they think is the optimum value ;)
I just spent 2 minutes reading and replying to a comment about how someone watched a 20 minute video about the virtual price charts of a game they don't even play.
@@konberner170 I don't watched but I've readed your comments about game I never played.
An interesting bonus item(s) for this week's Eve Talk might be strip miners / mining laser upgrades as it sounds like barges might be back as the kings of mining
Yeah they make more sense now, i saw someone linking a picture of an anom in null and the rocks in it was tiny, a rorqual would get close, go into industrial core mine one maybe two cycles with the drones and the rock is gone, leaving you locked in place for x time. It has always been risky but now it is risky and pointless, my porpoise mines ok and can move faster to get close to the next rock. Maybe i will sell the barges i have up now :)
They need to rework mining from the ground up. It's so one dimensional and rudimentary. Point and click then switch to mine different rock mode at the click of a button.
I have been playing since 2003, and i remember the mineral prices at that time, the low prices were kinda fixed, as NPC's had buy orders for minerals all around New Eden.
1 Tritanium
4 Pyerite
16 Mexallon
64 Isogen
256 Nocxium
1024 Zydrine
4096 Megacyte
16384 Morphite
This was so for quite some years...
remember when i twas a big deal when tritanium hit 2.0 isk pu? lol
Makes sense honestly, players didn't have isk yet so they needed some way to pump money into the system.
I remember long lim roes and killing people doing it to drive the price up before doing it ourselves. NPC buy orders kn certain things were on a sliding scale.
I have been a veldspar miner for so god damn long and it’s now paying off.
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It is what the game needs! Rorq's should be made the ships that where initially intended for not glorified mining barges.
I use my 4 as cap tackle :)
Daaamn, if minerals continue to rise in price i might start mining ore again. I havent done that in like 3 years.
When i started playing EVE, i could sell Isogen for 120 ISK and Pyerite for 12 ISK. Even as a casual miner you could make some ISK.
yes and no since everything else will increase in cost as well so it is a zero sum game for small players.
Your ISK will be worth a lot less. High mineral prices = higher industry costs = more expensive end products
I stopped playing eve a couple years ago after 13 years of loyal subbing. One thing that always erked me was that it was difficult to just be a casual miner and cover your expenses (crystals, taxes, refinement charges etc). This was because 0.0 roqs would drain the resources like crazy! even in 0.0 barge mining was pointless next to these bad bois (who got all touchy if you mined their rock).
It sounds like this was a balance pass long needed and might even tempt me back for a bit to see how it goes
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Rorqs are fixable without taking a hammer to the entire economy. Many solutions have been suggested already but CCP does not want to listen. I don't think assuming that they have different priorities to the playerbase would be much of a stretch. Sure they've 'fixed' Rorqs and bottlenecked capital production but at the cost of causing numerous other problems. Just... why.
Yep, I canceled by two Sub (over 10 years each) after I could no longer casually mine on one, which supported my other combat player. Prices was the primary reason, CODE was the second.
I always found solo mining very relaxing while reading, but CCP and players pushed that playstyle out of the game. So that resulted in my 2 canceled subs
@@dusk1947 CODE are the lowest form of scum in the game. I dread to think how many new players CCP have lost due to being constantly ganked by CODE yet CCP still refuse to do anything about it. With these latest changes it feels like they are intending to force pvp onto everyone in the game so no more carebear safe systems....
@@Big_Gaz_1 I'm sorry but eve is a PvP game they will never touch the likes of CODE, they're stupidly easy to avoid and are no where near as much of an issue as people make them out to be
I've been hearing a lot of Doom & gloom about this. My perspective is that for some time now EvE has been subdivided into two separate games mostly defined by security zones. I think this move is congruent with CCP's recent comments in an effort to make different regions more reliant upon each other's existence. Null is basically the same as high sec where player alliances & corps assume the role of the NPC corps and low is just a place to go to pick a random fight. I can see the forced commerce between high and null bringing those two together while turning low into a real pirates paradise. There's gonna be fallout here that is not just about commerce, at least I hope.
CCP insists that a shortage is required. They have not shared why nor have they actually shared exactly what problem it is they are trying to fix. The way they've set this up has made it difficult for anybody to criticise their actions but a lot of people certainly do not trust their motives. They haven't given us much reason to. And have made a habit of 'fixing' problems by taking a hammer to the undisclosed problem and everything around it.
@@viktoriyaserebryakov2755 that's fair to say. Conversely they have always been pretty good with putting to use the excessive amount of data at their disposal. Gonna be a wait n see. Like I said I hope this shakes up the separation between the beginner and endgame communities.
@@jasonwaltman3566 I'd disagree. If I were to make an example I'd bring up the number of titans CCP initially expected to exist in the game. Then how many there are now. They seem to believe they must change the entire economy to address this. But I'd like to ask you how many Moloks do you think are in the game right now? Are faction supers not exactly what CCP had at first envisioned? They know exactly how to do it. I'd even say they very well wanted not to. For so long they used these large battles and super capitals as marketing in an attempt to lure more people into the game at the cost of it's health and instead they've chased people away.
So no I really don't trust CCP at all. As I understand it. CCP had a full time economist on hand. Had. If that's true and I'm not being deceived when I'm being told they've let that person go already then it certainly begins to make a little more sense to me as to why it appears that they're just throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks. They're drying up the supply to... "see what it does to the market." They know full well what it's going to do. So no. I don't believe them.
I'm actually all for dynamic ore spawns or something similar. I have been for some time. But what they're doing isn't making all that much sense. I don't see why you should have to to attack somebody to mine their resources, and they you to mine yours. That makes no sense. And whatever effect they're looking to achieve there can be done so and more simply so. They need to take each individual problem and address them individually instead of making sweeping changes thinking it will only make changes for the better without dire and 'unforeseen' consequences.
@C That doesn't explain why the supply must be artificially removed. I can understand procedural generation. I'm an advocate for it actually. I can also understand why less wealth would also be good for the game. I like both of these things. But none of these explain the other. Offensive mining? Real life wars? That is nothing like real life. I don't understand what he's trying to achieve and I guarantee you that whatever he's trying to do it can be done without making such broad and risky changes.
Is he trying to make the game more exciting? Is he trying to bottleneck super capital production? Reduce average income? Nerf Rorquals? Like what is the specific issue here and which of his actions address which problem. I can just about guarantee you that between me and you if we went through each of those problems one step at a time we could come up with alternative solutions that don't affect everything else. I don't think these people can be complete morons so I'm inclined to believe that their interests don't necessarily align with ours.
@C Such changes always hurt the little guy more. The large alliances only have to sit on their stockpiles and minimise losses until we see better times again. I'd say there's even less reason to fight. It'll be too costly. Meanwhile everybody else starves in an environment already inhospitable to new alliances. An even greater disadvantage than before. Null sec will adapt. Which is exactly why these changes will reduce the power one can wield but it will never change the balance of said power. They need to be much more surgical with their proposed changes. And each change needs to address one very specific problem. We can't treat symptoms as the problem and be surprised when problems keep arising.
For example. If we were to focus specifically on nullifying over reliance on Rorquals. Remove the drones. Turn the siege module into a long cycling mining beam that extracts ore from one target throughout the cycle. Redistribute or spawns so that only certain ore types will spawn as large asteroids. Everything else spawns as more numerous and smaller asteroids. All of a sudden attempting to mine everything with Rorquals is inefficient. Rorquals now have their role on the game. Exhumers now have a job to do as well. Both are now needed. So if the very specific problem we're addressing here is Rorquals solving every problem. Then this very specific solution hopefully addresses that with minimal alterations to everything else in the game. That's the kind of approach I wish CCP would take to things. Not everything is a nail. There are a lot of good ideas out there in the community. Keep smacking everything with a hammer and you're going to break more than you fix.
Great news. The game was always based on the premise of high sec mining until griefers and whalers came along with no consequence. Hope to see some of the enormous 0.0 corps protecting their suppliers in high sec.
Honestly this is all pointing towards making small gang/small corp mining more powerful. Which has always been the ultimate goal of the game. Requiring fewer and fewer people needed to make an impact on the market means more and more smaller groups of people can truly enjoy the EVE endgame.
I've flown for test alliance back in the day (Late Apochypha. Thinking with wormholes) and the people required to hold 0.0 is rediculous. It makes sense if you can put up a solid financial fight with 100 people vs 1000.
I'm actually a bit worried over all this. As funny as it is to see so many people crying, this is a massive hit all at once for a large amount of people. I have never mined much, and don't own a Rorqual but do have an alt character in a mostly mining/industrial corp. Between this and the DDOS and other past issues, a lot of people have actually quit. I honestly feel bad for the people who did spend tons of time skilling into careers that change drastically to the point its not what they want to do anymore. On average we had maybe 30-50 people on at peak times and now there is like 5-10 and it feels really gloomy and, yeah, now others are questioning it. I've gained approx 15 billion in just ISK and one Carrier I can't even pilot from people just handing away assets. Again, funny that people are doing this...maybe, but also scary in a game that already feels empty sometimes.
I'm back from a 3 year break - re subscribed 3 accounts for 6 months and bought a platinum pack because why the hell not. Also I'm loving these changes, EVE needs Chaos, EVE is chaos.
I wont be quieting but depending on how bad teh changes are for high sec moons (i only have 4 but still lol) my alts may be quieting
obligatory "Can I have their stuff?!"
This demand is clearly noticeable even on small scale. Take for example mining with something as humble as Venture.
I remember that last year full ore hold would give you some 390-550k ISK in ore sales (high sec mining) and some 225-450k in mineral reprocessing (minus charges ofc).
Today i sold one hold of Veldspar+Plagioclase for 650k ISK and then when I reprocessed roughly same amount in second run, minerals were worth of 740k (In Amarr). Couple of days back I sold hold full of reprocessed Scordite in Jita for 850k.
Prices are totally crazy. It's more worth to just sell minerals alone instead of ore and small scale manufacturing is just plain 50% loss.
>loves mining, comes back after nearly 2 years away
>mining all but killed(?)
Welp, bye!
This actually makes me consider actually installing the game again. I have 2-3 freighters worth of compressed high-sec ore in storage.
mineral
my precious :)
compressed ore has always been better than processed minerals. People who don't sell compressed fail to understand the cost of hauling.
aaaah, sometimes I miss Spreadsheet Online
Like all of the changes in the last few years. It is a matter of wait and see. Most of the complaint is coming from Null-Sec Rorqual miners.
Personally I do not value moon specific ores, so the removal of standard ores would reduce the attraction to setup on a moon.
Some of the high-end minerals are available from Emerging Conduits. I am certainly curious to see if the increases the interest to mine there. Because, picture the situation. A Conduit in a given system would normally spawn after 10 minutes. But now, if the miners are holding the site down while they mine over a period of several hours - does this prevent the re-spawn of a fresh Conduit?
In separate/adjacent point - I would like to see Outer Ring Excavations more accessible to mission for. There are two NPC Null systems which contain the Agents of ORE, which are pretty much camped 23/7. A future change to something like the Learning Implant removal, would make the Harvest Implant set more desirable to utilize. Additions like ORE faction upgrades and surveyors add some scope to barge/frigate mining, playing into the Risk/Reward metric.
I think they will respawn after 10 minutes even if the old site is still there with people mining, only way for me in Highsec now to get Nocxium, or i have to go to low sec.
I'm such a politics-brain that everytime I see someone mention CCP in the comments I translate it to "Chinese Communist Party"
pretty much correct
total nullsec nerf: 1kk m3 prenerfs rock is now 3k m3 :D Nice couple % :)
Couple % from 100 i guess :) time to start build barges i think.
@@BerraLJ Honestly thats how it should have been the orca and rorq are support ships meant to boost fleets. ccps mistake was continuing to buff them for mining on their own when that should have just been an added bonus to their support role.
@@GalironRunner Agree. Rorqual has in his description, that is support ship. Manual labor of moving ore was keeping afk carebears at bay!
I’ve got plenty of compressed Veldspar stored up😉
I've been saying this for the last few years. Ccp is making it harder to make money and making the cost of manufacture higher. I truly think they are trying to encourage Plex purchases. They claim they want to bring in new players but the time investment new players must commit to just make money drives them away.
I agree with you mate , thats why i quit when they changed the cynos and carriers, i saw the bigger picture.
The game is boring as fuck because people can just sit and farm with impunity. Sparser minerals will mean that krabs will have to travel into other systems to mine... Oh the horror!
I'm so happy about this update. I love it when NullSec cries about how they can't make risk free money anymore.
Ditto!
Thats the problem..they can still make alot of isk, even more now since prices are going up...they just retarded lol
@@highrzr It is all ore, not just in null, i could mine out spod rocks in low sec with a porpoise in no time.
@romaneeconti02 I feel attacked!
@romaneeconti02 Hmm i came back roughly 6 months ago, with a few goals, one was to fly the now less useful rorqual, guess it can sit in the hangar collecting dust untill CCP is done with whatever they are doing. So i would not consider myself a veteran(even if char was made in 2003)
So would you suggest hoarding all the ore we've mined so far and sell until after the changes? Would love to read your response
i'm doing that, but if you need the isk, it's already a great time to sell.
@@delonewolf thanks!
wow your vid is blowing up :D hope you release some guardians gala content soon :)
It's even gone to the Basgerin super market. 2 weeks ago there were probably a dozen supers and titans there, now theres none. Even the nyxes that were 26 27 are gone. Luckly I got my Aeon before the changes, though now im probably gonna turn around and try to double the value on it.
@delonewolf you mentioned everything but mercoxit. How did that do?
This will be interesting seeing sov's doing low sec mass pvp/mining ops
I bought a Rorqual, and was going to buy a 2nd one, but , due to Nerf, that investment strategy has to be reviewed. That opportunity was good for around 5 years since 2012-14 (+/- 2 years.)
They will make the change, then do the same as blackout and revert it when people start crying.
@@pliablegalinstan6564 Maybe nullsec miners. Seems to me that this might actually make highsec mining possibly actually worth doing though.. maybe.
@@qumefox Yeah but i am in Minmatar space so finding Nocxium is bit rough, can get in low sec, or mining in the emerging sites.
@@qumefox The total quantity of ore has been drastically reduced. You might make more ISK per tick but there isn't going to be much ore for people to mine. And you'd also have to pay a hell of a lot more for anything you buy.
Due to the recent changes to the resource distribution in New Eden, I have an idea for a topic you might consider for one of your videos. While I like CCP trying to reduce the self sufficiency of different groups by moving ore around and lowering the overall quantity. I think that a better and more lasting change would be to implement a system that effects the resources and their distribution density based on actual mining activity. What I envision is a system that can push resources around the map forcing a more dynamic interaction on the very base level of the game. And preventing the stagnation of supply chains and self sufficiency of large areas of space.
These changes in my opinion should effect moon mining, asteroid belts, ice belts, and resources anomaly's.
I deeply feel that this could be a huge positive change for the game and could introduce entire new niche areas of gameplay for players to carve out.
If you have the time please let me know if you think this could possibly be a topic that you would be interested in looking into further.
Yeah that's actually a really good idea, I am curious as to why CCP didn't do it this way. Maybe they thought it would upset even more people than this change.
CCP plans to implement a dynamic resource system as the end goal of the changes, but needs to collect data and cause shortages to shake all the years of excess out of the market first.
I wonder what the CODE bots are gonna do with this.
Señor Kho greetings from mexico, thanks for your great videos!
I haven't played in about a year. I have a LOT of minerals in a station somewhere. Hmmmmmm
Hmmmm
Dam i wish i watched this before processing my minerals for indi...
Last week was getting almost 900k for a Venture load of dense veldspar. Hoping it goes up.
Inflation is a rising tide which lifts all boats my friend.
watching this makes me want to play again
CODE must be rubbing their hands rn
Ahaha, Let's Go MininG!!!! BTW, Dear Delone, do you remember episode of South Park about WoW, they dont know the way to kill that strong player so they put hope in father of one of the characters of the show, weapon to deliver to kids ingame :)
Great change! Really... the supremacy of rorqual mining fleets has eroded the mineral markets for years. They made acquiring the base components child's play for any organized group, and that has trickled through the market and player behavior for quite some time. They essentially broke the rorqual monopoly
I'm a solo Rorqual with two exhumers helping me. Why am I being punished for focusing a years worth of skill points. I'm being shafted. I build stuff, I don't sell Ore and my killboard is very green. I'm not a carebear this entire change hurts players who focused on one area.
@@The_Conqueeftador part of the problem was the dislike of "carebears" in the first place, pushing out players who enjoy that play style and could have grown as players only lessens the number of active players and cuts CCP's revenues.
Second was how CCP managed the resource economy in game. They built a system that is top heavy and allows for rapid generations of base materials, this skewed the economy.
Originaly there were large numbers of small indy pilots who valued resource generation, we effecivly had an army of workers gathering. But that playstyle was activly hunted and largely pushed out of the game. So instead of an army of workers, we then had a select few elites capable of gathering the same qualities (enter capital industrials). But the number of elites has grow to now be an army of elites, watering down an economy that was designed for exumers and barges. You as a player didn't create those conditions, you saw an opening and perused it. But you capitalizing a game system doesn't make it anymore or any less sustainable or stable.
CCP should value overall market health over the gains or losses of any individual player, if not the market will get out of hand and collapse other areas of the game
I think the Rorq income capacity shifted the $$ in the eyes of many for years. All of a sudden ppl expected to be able to produce a few capitals/yrs solo if you were solo-mining in one. Now we'll see if that snaps back a little, it was real bad for a bit there in 2016-21017 ish.
I remember when tritanium was selling for 14isk before they put it in the ABC's in large amounts. I stopped playing cause after null, high sec mining wasn't worth doing and everyone I used to play with had already quit ages ago.
I don't understand why they would nerf 0.0 mining? There is still risk to mining out there were there is basically 0 risk high sec mining in a orca.....I always thought eve was risk=reward but it's more afk=reward
@Green Life but there also is a far worse problem in the same area in high sec....so I donno man there is alot of boys in high sec making a tone of money too...all hurting 0.0 does is make more bots move into high sec and the newer guys lose out to them there and make 0.0 less worth
oh my the ore price increasing so fast
The price of ships is way down now from when I started playing in 2014. I had an accunt earlier than that, I think 2010, but can't find it now. Anyways, the point is that ships are way too cheap as well as anything that uses a lot of minerals. This is a good change in my opinion. Miners should see a nice boost in income now. I don't even mine much, but I'm glad to see them making more isk.
No it's an awful change. There are much simpler ways to achieve the same good results without taking a hammer to the entire economy. It would help if they actually shared exactly what problem it is they are trying to fix but they aren't being very transparent about that. We're only left to guess at and accept whatever they do. And they do not have a good track record of actually fixing problems. They used to have a full time economist on hand. People keep telling me they threw him out already. If that's true...
Bs. The first hurricane I bought on the market when I was new cost me 16m
@@skidmech2909 So, you are saying that the average price in 2014 for a hurricane was 16m? I stated in my post when I started playing on my current account.
@@OHIOspikey This was 2010. The price of ships has just about doubled or more since then and has progressively went up.
so the biv blocks go to high sec with big fleets...a lot of fun for the normal mining crowd 😧
Reminder to highsec people that the emerging conduits once cleared have ores that give trit and pyerite
Not worth it. So bulky, the ISK per hour is crap. Also, if I remember correctly, you can't compress it.
Spaceships vrooooooooom! Pew pew pew
It's almost as if CCP want to mess around with players before they announce the closure of the servers :P
@Urayis wish l then how come u aren't playing them and instead waiting for eve to close
@@blueice3616 addiction
A year after PA paid CCP almost 1/2 bil for Eve? Doubt it. They might be trying to defund some of the power blocks in null. Imperium really knew how to exploit and rorq spam null all they way to supplying nearly 80% of all ores mined in New Eden.
@@andrewkvk1707 tru but the landscape of pvp sandbox is so barren, rust, ark? Eve is these but perma
@@blueice3616 You should try Escape From Tarkov, I am having an absolute BLAST
I look forward to the shift, but hope CCP follows through and gives us a solid end result. There is some fairly decent risk in alienating some of the player base now. I still think this will likely be a longterm good for the health of the game, but only if CCP does it correctly.
name one thing CCP has done correctly in since say.... jesus, nevermind.
@@ItsSerialBoX they must have done something correctly at some point, or you wouldn't have any interest in the game at all.
@@OriginalWarwood I used to run 5 accounts, I run 2 now, and log on occasionally to do some 1v1 faction warfare pvp. Nullsec is dead (unsbubed my titan and nyx). No more need for a jita trading alt. Kept my 2 pvp accounts. Ive been around since the start. I remember when 80k people actually logged on. Not 20k people and 10k bots, and mining alts.
This is just the beginning! Titans n supers will b 75 bil/130 bil in a few weeks
Avatar 4 sale 70b fountain
We'll need to see how this pans out, but if supply goes down, the mineral prices will go up. This will cause significant inflation, which has been relatively stable for a while. The idea is to make it more lucrative to mine, but it'll also make it that much more lucrative for botters, just exacerbating the existing mining bot issues
Only thing i'm worried about is how will they affect hisec moon mining or moon mining in general? I cant see them taking all the abcs away from them, all they could do (if they do anything at all) is decrease the amount of volume you get per cycle, which wont worry me, i'll just drop another athanor if that the case to make up volume...and make more isk as the prices go up. Dont know why everyone crying about this change..esp in null...you just need to mine your ore from moons...not normal belt or anomalies...I dont get it...its eve, learn to adapt
All regular asteroids will be gone from moon mining in the next step.
@@BerraLJ soo... they removing 0.5 hisec moon mining then?...cause if what you said is the case..that basically what they doing
@@wtf22playa56 yes man, they are murdering the eve economy and nobody knows why, i personally believe its so they can sell more plex because it will just drive up the price of all modules and ships in the game. many players dont mine or rat or do anything to make isk, they just pull out the credit card and buy 10billion worth of plex. now they will just have to buy more plex, because the prices of everything in game went up.
@@wtf22playa56 no the moon goo rocks will remain supposedly they will play with the normal mineral amounts in said moon ore but given all high secs are r4s their overall usefulness is questionable after the change.
CCP: oh errvbody quiting EVE? sweet let me take away the remaining fun outta this game.
Man i remember before drone regions being a miner was the best way to make isk
Hopefully the price of manufactured stuff goes up to reflect the increased min costs.
ships and modules have increased to incredible amounts already. which means i have stopped pvping with any real risk, because if i loose something (i dont mine) it will take me 3x longer to make up the isk to get another one now, which really just isnt worth that much time or enjoyment. so, ive unsubbed, until this bullshit is over with. in the end it just looks like CCP is trying to make all the in game items cost more, so people who just buy plex, have to buy more plex, more often to get modules and ships. (this just looks like a money grab to me)
My Corp runs several dazzling spoud moons and well even there you can see big jumps in - 0.6 area
So we gonna keep the ore from the last two months.
It would so much calm down if ccp would name the change what they gonna add for deleting the basic ore on moons.
Like 0.0 lost spoud in the belts and now also from the moon.
😭
watching this makes me kinda wana get back into eve ... i havnt played for 10 years, hell i still have my original destroyer from 2006 and was just thinking ... damn this ship is older then some teens ... and maybe older then some players of eve, but .. i was stip mining belts long before the barge rebalances and i have i think 1 or 2 station containers full of minerals ... so thinking about jumping back in
it's not because of the change. It's because the mining amount is nowhere near the numbers before blackout.
I had always wondered how long the ores would last. In a real world situation, a mining company would eventually run out of copper, silver, etc, and have to find it somewhere else. I always got a laugh at being able to repeatedly mine the same belts day after day. I always thought it would be more realistic if you mined the same asteroid for months, before moving on to the next asteroid.
If they diminish the amount of ores that can be mined, eventually the pew-pew kings will run out of ships.
This is what happens when you go away on holiday for 10 days. Catch up time.:)
Less Grass = Less Deer = Less lions. It is that simple folks.
Less cash cow? Why make less of the source of their real life income?
Nah this is about the TOTAL PLEX sales. Due to starvation of minerals.
Eve is already a nitch same for gankers. Making hisec even more baren tomplay is just cutting their own throats
i cant even mine out in my orca and a single covi anymore. the spodumain in the belts is all less than 50km3
ammo will be more expensive in null and low sec because it is made mostly of hi sec minerals
Was that ever a concern? The price of ammo is pretty much only 10-15% from minerals. The remaining is LPs to make them faction.
Well _hopefully_ this is more of an over-reaction. I'll put off building any ships until the "shortage" is over.
The shit thing is they did it close to christmas and new years. Then they never reverted that change before this new mineral change. Null Sec is a joke right now for mining.
This is just a psychological reaction by people expecting a shortage.. The real effect long term will be minimal.
No, I don't see a problem.
Looks like the big bois are in panic mode, trying to suck up all the material they can while the prices are still relatively low in the hopes of making an enormous profit.
What is compressed ore vs regular ore and how is it used?
it's a much smaller volume so very handy for transportation.
If I recall correctly, Compressed is 100 units squished down to the size of 1 unit, plus when you reprocess, you're reprocessing 1 Compressed instead of 100 regular.
I think its the same. Its just compressed
1 compressed ore = 1 standard ore in materials processed, but compressed is 1/100th the volume than regular. This means you can haul 100x the amount of ore in a compressed state than just regular ores. Again, refining 100 compressed vs 100 standard ores yield the same amount of minerals.
the reduction in volume makes it easy to trade in quantity for a newer player, as well. You can carry a few hundred mil of the stuff in a t1 Indy ship.
I just fill the fleet hangar and cargohold of my Orca and go to Jita, if it's Spod (which used to come out of two moons I mined at). I could haul a bit over a billion's worth on a trip-though that's two weeks of mining for me as I refuse to bot.
Viscous (dense); pronounced: "Viskus". I wouldn't recommend buying vicious ore, it has a propensity for violence and can cause massive harm to your hull :p
Players: Hey CCP, this one alliance is dicking us all down because they have so many supers and massive material stockpiles
CCP: How about we make it harder for everyone to get anything?
We're just going to make it harder for you to build caps to counter them.
Exactly. They cover this topic on The Meta Show.
Why not just impound all the minerals/ores, implement the new distribution and be done with it in a single patch? Why the long pain of shortages?
Seems like they intend to implement a dynamic system and you need to drain the stocks so you have reliable data of what is in use.
So CCP is going to nerf pretty much all aspects of mining? Yeild/asteroid size/spawn rates??
Time to mine like crazy for the next month guys, and hold on to that ore. $$$$
null will cry, ccp will break
Not really null sec will raise the price. Some prices already doubled. Expect it to go up more
hope so, more iskies for me
When all there is left to do is stockpile, if its infinite, what is there to do next? Build bigger and bigger armies, ships, and so on...
Really what is there to do?
facerape NCDock?
You're running into the primary challenge of any sandbox mmo. You make your own purpose. And when all of the "purpose" seems like it's no longer fun or worth the time you start asking "What's the point?"
*Starts Mining*
Leadership calls for the 93rd CTA of the last 4 hours
*Rage Quits*
Im new to the game. the devs want the new players to dig into mining, but alphas like me can only use venture an no mining drones. lol
Good move by CCP. the shortage will drive up income for same effort, as it works its way through production it will suck up the trillions of isk out there. Glad i invested my excess isk into ships sitting in low sec stations. Salvaging will also become more worthwhile new players.
yep, they nerfed the asteroid sites in hi sec.
Ccp is gone
New owners have even Less of a clue how to keep player base
This nerd only hurts the little guys
Big groups well still bot
*dusts off the orca*
If creators of evewere smart they would add fantasy shit to... like adding vulcans as a race or something... might mess up the logistics of it tho
A couple % points?!? Its like -90% lol
Wait a minute... they nerfed 0.0???
Great... my pvp incomewas -500m per hour now its going to be -750m per hour
Why wasn't there a single corp advert on that board? Just that stupid New Eden store advert. I've been gone for awhle, did somethin happen to corp adverts?
looks like they are taken out of rotation for now. I think it's a decent amount of work to keep them updated and i can imagine they fell behind too much which resulted in too many outdated adverts.
Rorq's are only sustainable for large alliances, and large alliances have ruined the game. Anything Eve Online can do to support CORP level activities will make people happy, subscriptions grow, and bliss for the investors. Believe it lady.
Been informed that a rorqual in anoms in null can finish a rock in no time so not really worth using for regular ore considering you are locked down for 5 minutes and you use fuel.
Removing Crokite and replacing it with Kernite is not great, one of them has Nocxium the other does not.
@romaneeconti02 Sure i did mine that in low sec, but if the content of each rock is a fraction of what it used to be a rorqual is like using a cannon to kill of some mosquito.
@@BerraLJ from what i heard in another video the anom changes weren't to the smaller rocks its that they removed the BIG rocks so only the smaller yield ones remained making use of excavators meh because of their speed and such
Botters: heavily mining, disrupting the market and rising in power
CCP: the only solution is to nerf mining
the only solution is to nerf mining that benefit botters. Please make a complete quote.
check how i asteroid belt is full whit people :)
Glad I stopped playing this dumpster fire years ago.
A little weird that years later you still complain in the comments on videos for a game you don’t even play anymore
N DD well why?, if you no longer play it and you refer to it as a “dumpster 🔥 “, would you watch a video on it and feel the need to comment?
this is making repairs with a sledgehammer... I can´t imagine they thought about all consequenses... doubling the prices for base minerals means doubling prices for all products like ships - means perhaps lose your ship will much harder to replace and therefore players think about PvP twice ..opposite of the wanted effect...
Sometimes you need a sledgehammer - Nothing wrong with Sledgehammer repairs.
= CCP cash grab. I wonder what happens to players trying to sell plex when the isk surplus runs out. Everything is going to get extremely expensive.
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Thanks China
Why do people say Eve is a sandbox game, it's obvious CCP has their hand in every aspect and you play the way they want you to or you don't play at all.
You know the world needs a reboot when an online game has a shortage of pretend products you make with no real world resources.....
I really pitty CCP, they have to try to accommodate for all the whiners. In another place on internet there were these ppl ceaying about how imbalanced the game was because if mass production of supercapitals, or something like that. And now here we have the other side of the coin saying that CCP wants ppl to buy PLEX. Woth this mining changes mas production of ships wont be that easy, and great corps will think it twice before deploying capitals.
So sad that it's basically pay to win
for the first time in years i unistall eve online from my PC, not enter in the game since setember or something like that, CCP is creating inflation on the game, tell me something new, for me the reason is to sell more plexes. nothing more, nothing less.
@romaneeconti02 never played wow, but you can find me in WOT
thats a possibility lets be honest we all knew something was coming after blackpearl bought them eve was valued at what around 30m a few years ago and blackpearl bought them for 450m
Don't play this shi't!!! I lost 7 year, and still I can’t play the game and do my favorite mining! Refine broke, Salvage broker, drop broker! Dumb rats will break everything everywhere!