EVE Online - mining in the new Highsec
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- Опубликовано: 25 авг 2024
- With Niarja gone and the resource changes live, miners in HS have to balance not just yield and safety but also value and volume as trade grows in importance.
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I was flying:
[Orca, Meizu Kho's Orca]
Damage Control II
Reinforced Bulkheads II
EM Shield Amplifier II
Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender
Gist A-Type Thermal Shield Hardener
Multispectrum Shield Hardener II
Multispectrum Shield Hardener II
Salvager II
Mining Foreman Burst II
Shield Command Burst I
Shield Command Burst II
Large Drone Mining Augmentor II
Large Drone Mining Augmentor II
Large Drone Mining Augmentor I
Hobgoblin II x5
Hammerhead II x5
Salvage Drone I x5
'Augmented' Ice Harvesting Drone x1
'Augmented' Mining Drone x5
Shield Extension Charge x179
Mining Laser Optimization Charge x145
Shield Harmonizing Charge x17 
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If you want more yield for risk, swapping some/all of the shield tank for Drone Navi Comps. will increase the speed of mining drones.
What I do is anchor a Mobile Depot, re-fit in a Survey Scanner. The tech2 gets 135km range. Unfitting it and restoring your shield tank module does not close the Survey window. Allowing you have a read across the entire belt of all the available ores.
If your fleet is large enough gangs are nit aproblem. I mine with my orca and 5 to 7 skiffs if I've seen ganking in the area, or I'll use their hulks. Numbers deter gankers for sure. I mean, when that many drones hit the field idk lmao
On the matter of new trade hubs forming, I have seen a huge amount of activity moving to Deltole in gallente space, right near the border into minmatar. The manufacturing index there is approaching 9% and not slowing down, and now over 17000 jumps in a day of 'Silk Road' traffic.
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One tip for the Orca i can give: Watch out for Bumpers too - if you send em that far out it isnt that hard to bump you out of your Control Range..
Bump out of drone control range? If you can be bump out of control range for mining drones, you're WAY too far away. Drone control range of decent skills is in the 40km+ range, that much travel time absolutely wrecks your income.
yea thats why i literally crash into the ore im mining
I've had an attempt happen in dital why I have a 500mn Y-TB microwarp fitted :)
@@jumpinjehosephat1877 a bit more than 40+. It's base 20 and 5km/level plus 3km/level for the 2 nav skills, so, 52-60 from just skills. Should be more than enough from the warp-in point.
Why would you set yourself up so far from your drones, tho? I don't even mine anymore, but I when I did, I never had my drones making 20km+ trips...
Holy crap I'm in the chat in this video hahaha wooo youtube famous xD
Thanks for the video! I've been trying to explore the new mining experience myself, too. Good to have some more perspective.
Okay, because YOU are one of the key reasons I am playing, Bleak Lands, minor victory system.....we lost the Rakovene....then the systems get pulled into Abyssal, within a week, no Triglavians, no disintegrators, only radiation in system, belts are chunky though. So my system went from a Rakovene mine to a normal .5 system, and my corporation is already adapting by sending me to concentrate on harvesting salvage from Blood Raiders. My CEO is very experienced and does a lot of station trading and shipwright trade but she told me that for us miners things will change. I simply switched to using the SICO trade hub of Ronne to sell ore. Amarr industrialists are keeping busy and adapting, and it helps to have market reports that are so well done. Fly Dangerous, Mine Safely. ;) Greetings from the Bleak Lands.
When they first talked about this - one of the thing they said was "not enough mining vessels are being destroyed" (or words very close to that). So - they seem to be trying to force miners down into low sec - where they can be destroyed if they want anything other than Veldspar. The thing is - they complained that Veteran Miners had learned how not to get ganked. Mining IS a PVP activity. You've already got people who are looking to blow miners up - but - the miners had figured out how to avoid that - by not getting caught. In other types of PVP - you have a contest between combat ships. With Miners - PVP consists of the hunters and the hunted. Miners win - by not getting caught.
But that's not what CCP wants. They want to see miners getting blown up. They said so.
For me - this is a Betrayal of the Players. What Happened to a Player Driven Economy? What happened to the Sand Box?
I was actually doing mostly Veldspar mining in High Sec - but - every now and then - I wanted to build something and I liked being able to find the minerals I needed in High Sec. There were a few I had to buy or get from refining loot but it was OK.
Well - CCP is running the economy now - not the players ... so ... I'm not going to play.
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Yep. The only change im glad off that the Sove Anomalies now have at least rocks big enough to be mined by Rorquals again..... too bad they are kinda worthless now :D
If you mine with a solo medium skilled rorqu in Sove you make about 80mil per h with a ship that costs you like 4bil fitted that needs to siege and is more or less a sitting duck. A boosted Hulk with T2 Crystals will yield around 130-160 mil/h when boosted either by a Rorqual (cheap boost fit) or Orcas....
@@Parkbank Yeah. I've got an Orca somewhere but the account that has it (whichever one it is) is an alpha now so ... I used to have enough accounts to do full fledged mining ops in mission space but that was a long time ago.
Before the ore nerf they just did I had 3 omega accounts I used on mining ops with just a couple of Retrievers and a hauler but they were to new to have anything better. Those were the accounts I canceled the Omega's on when I heard about these changes.
I can deal with the gankers out there - I'm a vetean miner and know how to not get caught - but I can't deal with the developers plotting my destruction. So - fuck 'em. I'll go play some other game.
I got a copy of Elite Dangerous but it won't connect to their server ... I need to get that sorted but my good gaming laptop broke and I'm just using some cheap $300 systems right now. Eh ...
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Currently I am seeing a hilarious trend on high sec mining. Even inside jita. Mission rooms miners figured out how to keep the mission rooms open with mining items.
@@ordikaskirita5234 Mining items? I wasn't aware of any mining items that could keep a mission space open.
If you don't turn in the mission - then THAT will keep it open - you just might lose your mission bonus if you don't get your mining done fast enough.
IF you have someone stay in there - THAT - will keep it open after the mission has been turned in. As long as there is a player in it - the mission space won't close.
So - I'd have one guy run a mission - and then stay there until the other guys from his Fleet could warp to him in their miners - then - he would go get his salvager ship while they were mining - and then go get his mining vessel after that. As long as one guy was in the mission space he could turn in the mission and it wouldn't close.
If the mission guy was the hauler - the miners could jet can and he could put tractors on his hauler and pull the cans to him or tow them around. You just need to monitor for combat scanners. If you pick some up - and you haven't turned in the mission - you can warp the ships out of there and the space will stay active. I don't think the combat scanner probes will pick up the jet cans (which last 2 hours).
There's a Gallente specialized Industrial with a large Ore Hold that you can put two tractors on and a micro warp drive to get around. Then of course you could have an Orca which has (or at least had) like a 70k tractor range on it.
I've been playing EVE of and on since 2007 and only twice ever had some one warp into my mission space. The first guy was a ninja salvager and the second guy was just testing out his combat scanners (or so he said). The first guy was in a system I got Story Line missions in. There were Level IV mission runners in that system and that was what he was after. The second guy was in a system with the Career Agents in it - so it was a busy system. The thing there - is that the Combat Career Agent gives out a number of missions with some big rocks in them.
The best way to avoid that is to find a mission giver in a quiet sector of space. Then watch local. If no one new comes into your system you don't have to watch for Combat Scanners as much. You just have to jump from where ever your base is to the system the missions in.
The thing is - those mission spaces mostly have Veldspar in them ... it's often fairly large rocks but it's mostly Veldspar. So - that isn't going to help you if you need ores that CCP had banned from High Sec.
The thing that pissed me off - was CCP sticking their fingers in to try and MAKE us play their way. Before there was a risk/reward thing where if you wanted the higher end ores you had to go to Low Sec - but that was a choice. Now - it's a lot of the ores that used to be High Sec Ores - so they're really trying to FORCE us down there.
The thing with Low Sec Mining - is it's a big pain in the ass. It isn't about the "risk" involved - it's about all the extra _work_ involved in mitigating the risk. There's a big long list of things you can do to keep from getting caught (scouts, safe spots, cloaks, D-Scan, hiding) but all that takes more time and effort. The Opportunity Cost makes it more efficient to just mine Veld in High Sec and sell it - then buy whatever minerals you want. The REAL reason for mining in Low Sec - is the Challenge - but if you just want to make money - High Sec is better. But most of us Veteran Miners have figured that out and how not to get caught - and - CCP wants more of us to get blown up.
I can deal with other players. I've been dealing with other players off and on for 13 years - but - I can't deal with CCP being out to get me.
Fuck them. There are other games I can play.
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Maybe they don’t like the hunters suicide ganking. Maybe they want a different type of pvp involving miners.
Just a tip for those mining for minerals in an Orca, 1) transfer ore to ore hold, 2) change output location from item hanger to input location, 3) then press refine button. I can hold over 18 million units of minerals in ore hold that way for easy transport.
this ^^ reprocessing does not check the output limits.
Now that a lot of Nullsecers have moved to highsec to mine in orcas, how long before orca nerf?
well the only nerf problably for the orca is delete their drone bay because he is already a easy pick for gankers, he is slow, very tanky yess but 30 shiity pirtas or more and he is done no matter were is here but still is high expensive and it takeee toooooooo much time mining or just "solo mining" belts to get again isk u buy rigth now
in adition is not agood option for ice mining unless u have 4 alts who can mine ice too
but u can still mining moons in hs if still freeport moons yet becuase the pirite and mexa can be found in moon belts
for now...
if you ask me- alongside those orca nerfs it would be cool to see a revamp of the "ORE" shiptree as a whole. with new mining vessels maybe. Something bigger then a venture, smaller than a Proc, 2 different L size Miners and such. with a fitting T1 ice miner (alongside the three M sized vessels) and reworked T2 Ventures (neither of them really have a place in the game rn...). And rorqual now feels just TOO chunky to use in these tiny null-belts. So i dont mind a complete rework.
@@bigfox2810 cpp dont want that they dont even try that becuase they want
more risk less reward
@@bigfox2810 also they fired the guy who made the ore ships like year ago
Informative video, thank you for making it!
Over in the highsec system I have my mining things parked in, before the changes the belts were always full - now by the end of the day, they've almost all been completely devoured. Pretty impressive to see.
@Guardian Spirit Yeah, I'm kinda wondering what the point of fortress systems is at this stage, especially the ones in dead end systems. There's not really anything special to do in them unless you really want to shoot at the Edencom ships.
Yep... Devoured by NPC mining corps, so ore is basically removed from the game.
Remember when real mining meant hopping into a Domi, running a bunch of Rogue Drone L4's, and scooping the alloys in a Tractor 'Cane?
Edit: Also, rock size has to do with how they spawn and players manipulating that mechanic. Each (day?) they respawn instead of being completely mined, they grow a little bigger. Basic rule of thumb is to leave at least a small amount of the rock if you choose to mine it rather than completely burning it, that way it continues to grow over time. Something along those lines. Nothing really new there.
Now that mining is more profitable I may just come back :) I love mining
That's why I use stacked drone speed and range computers and mods. My fleet takes nearby ore, I take the distant ore. Travel time is not a problem anymore.
I also run a cloak for gate jumps with a higgs rig MWd combo to instant warp. More valuable to keep what I have than to salvage something.
Love the video by the way. Didn't know the values changed. I need to pay more attention.
Reprocessing the pink warp bubble thingys gives you lots of minerals. Have been supplying a starter academy with minerals for their starter quests for the last 2 months just by doing this.
Hey great video love your mining videos for eve! Keep it up!
This is perfect with a small fleet my wife and i use our 4 toons to clear belts in highsec one mining/ boosting orca and exhumers or barges
i ran 3 hulks and orca and a providence, stopped playing now, but i found the rocks rather small in high sec the timer on the hulks are long so i would get miners pulling a couple of pieces of ore, i did cycle a little but controlling 5 accounts and watching local.. anyway keep your mining op small and tight it's a little stressfull when someone start bumping your freighter and orca :D
Your videos make me wish to start playing eve again
Atm i get about 5-10% more isk when refining instead of compressing. I got max skills and the %4 implant. Altho I think compression will be more worth in a while when the HS minerals costs will go down a little and compressed will go up due to pressure from null sec.
Personally, I would replace the Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender
and Gist A-Type Thermal Shield Hardener with a pair of Drone Navigation II in the mid slots. They will Increase the microwarpdrive speed of your drones reducing their back and forth travel time. Something you didn't mention, is to always be aligned something like a dockable station or structure. If gankers come at you, you'll get into warp a bit faster. Actually, you should always do this no matter what you are mining in.
First time watching one of your vids in 4k.... Wow it looks so good.
The issue with expensive drones isn't smartbombs, it's getting shoved off grid. If you get pushed far enough away from them, they deactivate and become inert. Some setups can shove you away faster than they can return, and eventually you will lose control of them. You can warp away, but the problem still exists because you will lose control of them while you are off grid. Orcas aren't gank proof, but the largest risk is a bot account with mass amounts of Talos. You can set an Orca up to tank many many ships, at least for a while, and especially if you spider tank them with multiple Orca on grid. You just need to keep an eye on local, and listen to intel regarding gankers pulling CONCORD into an out of the way spot of a system and prolong the response time.
Yeah it's TRUE high sec now sucks for minerals and the amounts we used to get only new players will mostly mine it. Now when mining too any rats npc you get the scrap metal is also helpful in tritainium and other loot. Helps either selling it or scrapping it.
Or keep mission rooms open you would be surprised what mining materials are in there.
Before i stopped playing i had a pretty good area nobody bothered me or my buddies but the Triv started showing up and i havent really played since (mainly because nobody i run with is on anymore)
Have you noticed more belt rats? Like more frequently? I might just be imagining things.
So for an alpha clone who can only fly a venture, is veldspar the mineral to farm for most isk for hour profit?
Yes. Since you just have a 5,000 m3 ore hold, mine Veldspar (Dense & Concentrated, too). Sometimes Dense & Concentrated aren't worth much more, but you can always check the regional market for prices. Veldspar is generally the best because of its small size and high demand, and now it's only available in HiSec.
For highsec yes, however mining as an alpha in a venture is never going to make you rich. You might make 4mil an hour if you're mining veldspar solo, but if you put your time into exploration you can make four to five times that fairly reliably once you get a feel for things.
No, of course not. Kernite. Venture has 2 built-in warp cores and costs less than a million. Go lowsec and mine kernite. It's worth the most because it's required for mission runners as ore itself.
@@andrewj.2057 First, it's around 5.5-6 mils pr hour. Second, exploration in highsec is the same profit at best, the only positive is that it's way less boring. :)
I used to mine heaps of Pyroxeres because of the mineral content while having plenty of tritanium, now its pretty much worthless to me
Ironically Geminate the entirety of the belts are pyroxes no one goes there.
Delonewolf, could you please tell me why mining in an Orca instead of an exhumer? Is it just because it’s an afk mining mode? I think it will be much more effective in an exhumer with only little attention to mining don’t you think?
Yeah, it's has to be an "afk/not wanting to dock up much" thing.
It is much more easy and faster to get in a Orca wich you can use for many diffrent things instead an endless skill road to a exhumer.
With exhumer you have to travel to station to unload ore every 8-10 min I think.. with orca, you can empty nearly the whole belt and after 2+ hours bring it all to the station.
I'm new, so how do you defend your miner against warp disrupters and scramblers? Now the NPCs are using them. I've lost several ships and the mining ships are so slow to warp, how do you defend yourself?
i always have a set of combat drones to take care of the rats, when there is a pirate FOB in system, i don't mine.
@@delonewolf thanks a lot for the video and the reply, but I've noticed that since the update, the rats are using warp scramblers and disrupters even though there is no pirate fob for several jumps, and my navy hobgoblins cannot kill them as they did before. Before it was no problem, now I've lost 3 ships to the rats, even using hammer heads. I don't really want to quit, but eventually I'll have to...
partly why i stopped playing eve, belt rats aren't supposed to be incursion rats, i really don't know why ccp is squeezing out the new players they claim are trying to increase, they have slowly phased out noob safe spaces
Do you still produce moon chunks? If so, what days do they normally spawn? I've tried flying by the various station in Dital and I've only found one in the last two weeks that had some chunks out. :(
Great video! In your overview, how do you change your text color?
How do you fight draglavian ships in 0.5? Is mining with covetor possible when draglavian ships are in belt?
Our area been getting smashed by gankers recently bro. just a heads up
Now with the nerf and ore redistribution there’s even less money in mining yet mission running is still just has juicy with almost no risk.
You saw how ore like veldspar went up in price?! Mining is even more profitable.
@@igorjaniak3235 I think he is mad he can’t mine his kernite in highsec anymore
I sell my ore at a significant markup I make tons of isk from mining.
@Åsmund Kjus more time to get the same amount of materials, unless you dont value the time you spend mining veldspar, i moved to a wormhole and had the mahority of the ore pulled out of it due to changes, moon mining there is worthless aswell. Theres a old miners saying "What I mine is free"
i have recently come back to the game for a change of pace and i have not been able to mine right after server reset...but all i see in hi sec belts are the same as in this video...not sure if the other stuff shows up anymore
I've been away awhile but is it really worth using an Orca for SOLO mining?
Caldari space has Plagioclase / Pyrox (small amount) / Scordite / Veld
Anyone have an idea why veld types are dropping so hard in value in jita? A few days have seen compressed concentrated veldspar drop something like 800 isk.
Usually supply and demand thing, but good to know. Time to buy up a bunch and ship out to nullsec it looks like 👍
People might be dumping their stashes all at once... I believe the prices will be going up when the amounts people stashed always is gone.
The trit yield dropped.
I would guess more competition now. A lot of Nullsec miners moved to highsec because the orca is the only chill option now.
@Guardian Spirit This is actually true right now... LoL
I live in low sec and in an npc station, 30% refining is great fun :) my belts has become roughly 50% smaller.
Also had an alt in Curse npc null space, he had 22 belts in the system and after the change there is no ore at all, that sure is a slap in the face think the entire region of Curse is devoid of ore now, cause the systems are not low enough, lowest is -0.3, over Great Wildlands you had like 6 rocks of Crokite in a belt but only when you hit -0.6 or was it -0.7 hmm :)
Since when can you smartbomb in highsec?
made me wonder if they changed something
huh? there has been a time you couldnt?
RIP Niarja
delones wolf what happen in high sec if someone come by and gank you can u resist enuff till the police come by to help or the police wont even come to help
Can someone explain what happened and what changed ?
The Triglavians have now a constelation of 23 Systems that they "Steal" from high sec/low sec, the Gates to these Systems are now Deactivated and can be only reached with specific Filaments or Wormholes.
This has cut the old 7 or 8 Jumps from Jita to Amarr to like 40 Jumps - What now shakes on Jita Throne as Main Tradehub since Amarr space has the most high sec systems.
Besides CCP Changed where you can find certain Resources in the Belts totaly, so you cant easy get all Minerals now in any Type of Space - At least not anymore in that Volumes since Missions and Combat anomalys dint change and still have the Ores in them.
@@theoterion1089 damn all right, any important system taken? i hear jita was hard to acess now days
@@karma-xv1fd Well defently most Noteable is Niarja - that was the one that cut off this Trade route
I just start in one end and chomp it all whit 5 harvester drones.. then next belt.. can clean a few belts a day alone while My main mines mercoxit in null
Why are fleets warping in and attacking miners, sorry for the noob question,I'm a new player and want to get into mining.
Because the rigs and some of the equipment is likely to go up in the billions. Depending on the ships used and of you're mining with or without a fleet
Ever been ganked before? Because i looked at zkill and there are lottts of orcas getting killed, even max tanked ones
I was getting ready to say the same thing, how long before Code Alliance shows up and starts up their crap.
@Guardian Spirit Noctis are also more than doubled gank magnets.
I insured my orca though, maybe I’m being paranoid
I still find other ores in combat sites, like jaspet, omber, and Hemorphite
Combat sites? You mean random combat anomalies?
@@MRx36000 combat sites are the ones you have to scan down
i found the drones really slow though in mining lol
How can I compress ore in HS?
you have to look for a player owned structure with the refinery service that is public. Can be done in the structure browser.
@@delonewolf Thank you! :)
@@delonewolf Sadly there isn't a filter for compression module, only for reprocess.
@@crymric Compression comes standard with Reprocess utility in player owned structures, so if it has the ability to reprocess and you can dock, you can compress.
Do you have a corporation I can join? I'm not new, I'm just tired of playing by myself lol
Sorry, we want to stay independent, i'm still not tired of playing solo :-)
the only ore that has any value in high is veldspar now pyro scordite and plag are all worthless
Hold on to them! The shortage phase is here to run the old stockpiles in Nullsec out. Trying to make a change to ores wont work if null blocs have huge stashes of ore anyway...so they're making a huge shortage to burn the excess, and plan to redistribute meaning those useless ores will gain value in 3-4 months
I dont plan to continue mining them, but the stacks you have-Id invest the time to hangin on to em.
@@Ruhrich92 it´ll be way longer than 3-4 months and the problem is that the general outcome of minerals are shit for every non veldspar high ore, in addition to that scordite and mexallon are found in every region and there are way and i mean way better ore´s to actually mine for those minerals everyone should have just selled the trash ores before or even on the same day the patch occured atleast jita was still buying hundreds of million m³ of these ores to pre patch prices
You can loose the expensive drones quite easily - go to the bathroom and suddnely a Machariel is bumping you at 3km/s off of the belt, and demanding you abandon the drones. Now with the new warp mechanic your ship gets away, but he gets the drones, and the drones are not fast enough to catch up with you. I lost 250m like this. Always count with return on investment - how long do you have to mine to pay for 250m of drones? Very, very long time even with those changes.
You don't pee in a bottle when you mine?
not classed as a capital ship it is classed as a command ship
Damnit....Jita is so oversupplied, that Suicide ganks became a hourly occurence, while Amarr economy is in shambles and not even -5secs dare to attack anyone anymore as ships price has skyrocketed (2mil for effin destroyer, u gotta be kiddin me) and ore price has fallen through the bottom (Retriever full of ore has selling price of 4,5mil if its fileld with Veldspar, otherwise it can go as low as 2,5mil).
Guys we really could use some help to resuscitate economy over here. Not even those NRDS Providence campaigning folks seem to have sufficient effect and damn they do try to destroy ships as of late...
Cmon do ye really 'Njoy that overcrowded stinkhole in Caldarian space so much?
Them removing kernite from amarr systems but not adding plagio removed mex from an entire region. Watch the mineral panic!
u can still farm mex from moons in adition amarr empire have alot of sistem 0.5 who now are dead sistem
no pirtas, no big corps and no bots easy picks for small corps miners
0:22 - An Orca is *not* a capital ship.
For purposes of industry, it is. It's "technically" not a capital ship, as it doesn't require capital ship I to fly, but it's in a definite gray area. It's a baby cap.
there not bigger rocks. Those giant rocks maybe 120k units. those sizes use to have a couple million units.
You can’t set off SBs in HS. I miss suiciding Jita gate with a few friends and SBs.
I've done it. Last summer. When did that change?
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Yes you can. By default, activating smart bombs is locked while in HS and LS unless you set safety toggle to disabled. You are probably confusing smart bomb modules with bombs launched from stealth bombers, which are absolutely banned in HS/LS.
mining in orcas? why??? IT'S ONLY A MEME!!! NO ONE SAID WE WANTED THIS!!! what is happening to ccp these days?
I was thinking about getting into eve again to do some mining, but now that I see that orca mining is the meta... I am thinking that it isn't quite where I need to be right now.
@@dampsok agreed, i have the biggest urge to just jump back into the game, but i know what bad a shape the game is in right now, looks like it's gotten worse in the last 6 months
ccp screwed the mining and indy again they want the rorqauls gone just take them out the game i mean damn ccp you have just lost another quarter of your players hell you lost half your players when you did the stupid blackout in null just end the game
Wouldn't be surprised if they nerfed orca mining. It's supposed to be a capital (read: buffing) ship much like the rorqual. I hate solo orca miners with a passion. Such a waste of value from the orca.
Solo mining in an orca is for people who want to be making some passive money in the background while doing other things. It's low maintenance. Plenty of those same solo orca miners also run with other miners in corp or run their own barge/exhumer alts for when the want to mine in a more active capacity. The whole point is to use the orcas good points (low maintenance and attention required) to extract value from time that would otherwise be wasted doing nothing because you have other things demanding your attention. I fail to see how that's a waste of value.
@@rabid_si but that's the problem CCP is trying to deal with... AFK players. Be it ratters, miners, etc. You shouldn't be able to just log in an orca, send drones to a rock and then do nothing for hours.
LOL @ mining veldspar. This game is still trash.
I tried to come back to Eve online as a miner a couple of months ago, ran 1 orca and 2 hulks. Got bored after 2 months, nothing ever happened not a single gank. They should update some of the mechanics, mining is giga boring.
Mining aren't for when you wanna play active, but more of a semi akf role I think. I usually just mine wile watching TV series or something as well
You're the problem there. Go mine in lowsec or null and you'll get some action.
@@The_Giant_Lemon allways funn when you see neuts getting into the system and you warp out of the ore cluster as they come inn, gets your heart beating abit faster for a wile 😭 have had a few close calls lately, but luckily no losses in a long time. However those retards that's so bad at game they only goes after stuff that can't shoot back, and ruins the game for alot of people, should seriously consider finding something else to do. Normaly when I wanna relax with a movie and do some semiafk mining, I would really like to be left alone. If I'm looking for pvp, then I undock in a proper pvp ship and look for other people to engage that atlest have a slight chance of defending themselfs. The day I start kill miners for no other reason then beeing a jackass and think that's funn, that's the day I quit the game for good
@@The_Giant_Lemon I played in nullsec. Not high sec.
mining is fun and all but without much purpose id imagine it becomes stale. Supply a corp fighting for territory and youll prolly enjoy it more.