She was more of a one on one abusive type. Cult leaders are a huge number of people to lead abusive type. But the whole lying they are your rock believe them and take away means to survive on your own is the same.
I've always wanted to be a mother and life hasn't worked out that way. That said, I would NEVER act the way the sister has, and I bear no jealousy toward those whose life has allowed them what mine hasn't. Life is what it is and you adapt. It's that simple. I think, with her attitude, the sister would make a terrible mother. He behaviour and attitude would set a poor example for any child she attempted to raise.
@@typervader - Could be a number of factors. The expense of adoption. The approval process. Genetics. Likely all of the above. Basically a free baby with little to no red tape and with some level of genetic connection to her. In other words, she's cheap, lazy and shallow.
No, she's just straight up a total narcissist. Everything that was described that she was doing is literally textbook narcissism. From the lying to OPs employers, to the gaslighting, to claiming he NEEDS her. I had a little brother-in-law that pulled the same BS to my wife (his own sister) all the time until I finally had enough and kicked his butt out of our lives for good and made it very clear that he NEVER returns or he'll regret it (legally regret it that is).
I find it funny how Mark tried to play off the insults as a "joke" but I'm not laughing because it's a funny joke, I'm laughing at his pathetic attempt at reconciliation, and its painstakingly clear he's only apologizing because he got caught being a gold digger
If you are wealthy the rule should be to always have a prenup. Because that is certainly one way to weed out at least some of the people who are after the money, not the person. And there will always be those, which is one of the problems rich do have, while it most certainly would be nicer to be rich than poor money does bring its own problems. If a rich person who marries a poor or poorer person wants to make sure they will be okay if the rich spouse happens to die first there presumably are other ways to ensure that besides giving them half of everything the moment the marriage happens (better probably not to tell them if you have them in your will either, just in case they are something worse than a gold digger, murders for money happen too).
Mark was no slouch, he knew if he never accepted the fruits and benefits right away of the wealth then he would appear to not be a gold digger. His sheep's wool was to appear humble so the prenup would not be needed. His mistake is like a lot of people and situations, he got comfortable. So he revealed his wolf side by not knowing OP was sick at home. Obviously the family may have got the vibe about him, it is hard to tell with wealth of who is there for you truly and who are only there because of the money. But glad he got cocky and was found out
The only chance for it to be a joke if if he had no problem signing the prenup, he was already given a good job, parents would've giften ton of stuff so indeed he wouldn't even settle with marrying up.
First story: OP's girlfriend showed true abusive stalker behavior. Is like that of "I love you, so I will harm you, so I can save you". She literally wanted to make OP misserable to make herself his only comfort so he wouldn't dare break up with her. I hope OP's legal actions got her behind bars for cyber stalking and slander.
Story 2: That sister is on her to way killing the pregnant mother. She would attempt to rip that baby from her womb as soon as its viable. Get a restraining order as well as a cease & desist.
Too many stories of that happening. Taylor Parker, Amber Waterman, Clarisa Figueroa (and her daughter), Lisa Montgomery, Katie Smith.... that sister is unhinged and her husband is enabling her too much in this instead of getting professional help for her.
@@protoborgNo, they are right. A restraining order needs to have locations on it so the targets (and the legal system) know and have a record of where the target can't go near.
@@davidharshman7645 This is part of why restraining orders are a joke. Letting a person capable of violence against someone know exactly where the victim will be is setting them up for danger. If the perp doesn't care about breaking laws concerning assault and potentially murder why the hell would they care about a stupid piece of paper?
What the girlfriend in the first story did is a form of abuse, she was most likely hoping that if he got fired enough times that OP would stop looking and would be more financially dependent on her
Narcissistic people are not above sabotaging their partners, isolating them, keeping them for themselves in every sense of the word. It's about complete control, financial, emotional, etc. This bish is showing textbook signs. How do I know? I both have done my digging AND experienced it. The former made sense of the latter. I'm disabled so there was never a job to sabotage, but she gaslit me and ruined my friendships.
I'm pretty sure I've heard this exact story before, but without the spreadsheet & father details and with updates. This is probably an embellished "repost" by someone claiming it as their own. IIRC, the reason was something stupid like the GF wanting to spend more time with BF and thinking he'd stay home with her if not working.
Story 1: she sounds like someone who is a manipulator and mentally cant handle seeing others succeed without her so she ensures he always has to come back. Very toxic relationship and good on op to get out.
Wants control and is very much trying to establish it. She has been hindering him to eventually have control of him. Either she wants him dependent on her or possibly finds those jobs beneath him and wants him to get one to her liking.
Story 3: depending on where OP lives there are laws about financial distribution of marital assets if you've been married for X period of time and there is no prenup. So that "3 years and I'm free" comment from the fiance sounds like he was planning on getting divorced as soon as he could legally take her for as much money as he could. That's why he flipped out over the prenup papers.
Yup, this is true. My godfather’s crazy ex tried to pull this, as petty revenge for him divorcing her. But Karen didn’t know there was a time requirement. They were barely married just under a year, so technically they didn’t get divorced. Their marriage was annulled, Karen got nothing and we were set free. 🎉
To be fair most of the problem probably comes from not being able to get pregnant, though also this is the kind of parent that raise the most spoiled children because after finally getting one they give them everything.
Story 2: Man, she really is that obsessed with being the parent before OP. To the point of making an internet post to guilt OP, committing burglary, and even initially trying to get OP to abort to "be fair". News flash, not everything is about you
At the point that they posted the ultrasound pics as their own, I would have assumed they're planning on taking my baby and would have responded directly to that post and accused her of it. It reminds me of that case where the psycho girl posed as a photographer, unalived one of the brides who hired her, and pretended the baby,that she had forcibly taken out of her victim, was hers. She did the same things this sister did.
@@thalinororcbreaker2840absolutely what I said when listening to this. I can easily see her sister killing her and stealing the baby even though it would be so easily solved by the police. This woman is a psychopath.
@@Rylosalex Oh, she was caught and convicted. Rotten Mango did a very detailed breakdown of the story here on YT. The killer's name is Taylor Rene Parker. You will be unnerved by some of the obsessive similarities between Taylor and this sister. Sadly, the baby did not survive the ordeal.
I once had a dispute over my trailer-park neighbors squatting in my parking space and blocking me in when I asked them to leave me space to park my car. It escalated to the point of threats of violence and when I called the police to ask for help resolving it, their response was "We can't actually _do_ anything." Literally, their phone person's exact words. Do you think that was the same thing? I sure did. Not sure what other impression I was supposed to take away from that. :P
Story 3's lesson: ALWAYS. SIGN. A. PRENUP. If possible, with a borderline inhuman cheating clause, so that none of them will even think about cheating.
I'd say that everything she and her husband have been doing and saying is a strong reason why they shouldn't be parents. This sort of unhinged behavior is not good for a vulnerable child.
Story 1: I heard that story before and honestly I think it call 'isolation manipulation abuse' and honestly the EX likely live off of the attention of being needed by OP and the sadistic desire to keep in control.
It feels like some variant of Munchausen By Proxy. She gets his attention every time he has something awful happen to him, and she craves that attention, so she keeps the steady stream of awful things coming.
Mark was showing his true colors when the prenuptial agreement was brought up. If you really want a relationship, you tell the person you want a lawyer to explain it.
3rd Story: I'm not wealthy, but I'd first NEVER marry someone who would joke at my expense either in front of me or behind my back. I can't imagine my hubby saying any kind of "jokes" like the guys did with his friends, hubby and I respect each other too much.
It's a power move. Textbook narcissism, she wants to be the only stable thing in OP's life. It's all about control and she had him bad. Thankfully OP got out, people like that are dangerous.
Story 3 - That was not an overreaction at all. We're talking about her fiance here, not a new boyfriend. He's the one who threw away years by mocking his wife-to-be behind her back as well as by refusing to sign a pre-nup that he himself said was a no-brainer. Is she stupid for not requiring the pre-nup or is she disrespecting him for wanting a pre-nup? It's a no-win situation that he himself put her in. Who wants to marry someone who calls them stupid?
That was my thought line. Even if it was just a joke and he wasn't in it for the money, who would want to marry someone who was so openly disrespectful about them. Yeah, guys and people in general do make stupid comments around friends, but it also shows their personality clearly. An adult shouldn't be that willing to throw a life partner under the bus to look cool in front of guy friends. Worst case is the guy is a conman and a gold digger, but even in the best case he's got a middle school level of emotional maturity and some insecurity issues. Neither is a promising for a successful marriage.
If it was a joke, he shouldn't have a problem with a prenuptial. And Noone in a healthy loving relationship would make or tolerate those comments about their partner
What I don't get is his 3 year plan. If her parents set up a trust fund for her to be accessed upon retirement or whatever, he shouldn't have been able to benefit from that if he was going to divorce her in three years. She also said she had her own job and worked hard for her own money and it wasn't all that glamorous. Also, it sounds like he was making more money than her working for her dad, which he would jeopardize by divorcing her. If he was expecting an inheritance, once again, did he expect her parents to die within the next three years? If that's the case, this "freedom" thing he was talking about might be taking on a much darker road than I initially thought.
Story 3. My cousin dated a guy for years. They bought a house together. They had an engagement party where he got drunk, again. When asked if he really wanted to get married, he laughed and said no. She dumped him after a huge fight. But then her younger sister got married, and she felt like an old maid. So she took the idiot back and married him. After less than 5 years, they got divorced. As he left the house, he said that the only reason he married her was that he didn't want to have to cook and clean for himself. Also he didn't want to have to pick up a woman at a bar to have sex with. When people say things, believe them, especially when they are drunk. When drunk, people don't have the capability to do a good job of lying.
Wow! Last story: I come from a very large family and you bet that everyone pitched in in some way at family get togethers. All of the adults and over 13s had tasks to accomplish and we were all more than happy and even volunteered for extra chores. No, what's part of hosting is enjoying your family and having willing help when you need it.
This! My aunt and uncle always host thanksgiving since they have the biggest house but everyone pitches in. If you don’t help cook, then you clean the dishes afterwards. People bring desserts or make grocery runs to get whatever is needed. Everyone, even the younger kids (though not too young) are expected to put their plates in the sink or thrown their trash away. I can’t say much for the kids running around and touching everything because we absolutely did that as kids but we also brought our own stuff to entertain ourselves as well. (Plus there were things we stayed away from because we were explicitly told not to mess with it.)
@@seireidoragon Yeah, running around touching everything is what kids do. Not a day went by when one of my younger siblings or cousins didn't give us a non player's recital on the baby grand. Nobody cared, except at mealtime. when we were then expected to be respectful at the tables.
On the second story, before I let it finish, op your sister is a psyopath, what the heck is wrong with her and her husband, they DON'T deserve kids acting like that. Congratulations to you and your husband op.
Every single person (excluding the GF who helped clean) who entered OP's house are disgusting and immature, they're not adults their children, OP's house isn't a restaurant, it's another person's private domicile, my family help clean whenever someone hosts, because family looks after each other, no barge into someone's place and trash the joint
The unfinished soda cans are my biggest pet peeve; having to dump good soda down the sink because you don't want to drink someone else's germs or save it for them and have it become flat because you can't reseal it. I had to break my brother and one of my then-young cousins of this habit. You can clean my house of soda, but by god FINISH THE STUPID CAN YOU OPEN!!!!.
I can't imagine what I would have done to these azzholes---the first time a crotch-goblin tried to go upstairs, or damaged any of my things the whole family would be leaving---THIS IS MY HOUSE! would be the last thing any of them ever heard form me.
Peter Griffin has the same attitude about going to someone else's house for a get together, you can trash the place. Seriously it is bad manners and obviously the husband is not like his family. That's entitlement 101 to just assume, don't matter the situation or place. You just assume you have a right to do what ever you want.
Story 1 - I can see an Ex girlfriend/boyfriend doing what OP’s girlfriend was doing but not a current. She’s a narcissistic psychopath who seems to love creating chaos and pain to others while also being ‘a comforting person’. I hope that OP receives justice for all that she’s done to him.
Fr like I can't imagine hurting someone I love..... Even if I accidentally elbow my partner when I wake up I immediately apologize and I'll spend the next two days making sure I didn't actually hurt them because it weighs on me a lot whenever my partner gets hurt in any way. Idk maybe I'm weird but I can't imagine doing what that lady did.
When I was growing up my family did go to relatives places for Christmas or just a friendly group gathering, Never did the family not bring something to the feast. Salads, deserts, sodas & such. Clean up was also part of the deal. The heartless family were major jerks.
The first story reminds me of that case where a girl was suffering from severe bullying on social media . She had massive anxiety because of it and would always cry to her mother, who would comfort her during those hard times. Long story short, she found out that her mom had been the cyberbully the entire time and she was trying to make her daughter believe that people hated her. I'm sure that in both cases they were trying to make the victim dependent on them or making themselves seem more important. Similar to people who make others sick or injure them on purpose to nurse them or "save" their lives.
I wish I could’ve been there to tell the Karen in the second story “You know that there are plenty of kids in foster care right now who don’t have homes, right? A lot of them are aging out of foster care and don’t have anywhere else to go, adopt them if you want to be a mom so bad.” But of course, she just has to have her sister’s baby 🤦🏻♂️
Damn. Imagine your partner, of whom you made yourself so vulnerable to, would go so far as to ruin every job you've had. I guess she got off at making someone rely on her for everything or something. Makes me wish all these stories were fake, I know a lot are, but I have so little faith in people that it doesn't sound too farfetched either.
Yeah, it seems like a classic case of Hero syndrome, they create a harmful situation for the victim, so that they can "save" the victim from the situation. Glad OP got away from her before she truly made him dependent on her... or worse.
I can't believe that crazy phone call. A 12-year-old just trying to help her Mom and take a message, and a grown woman intimidating a 12-year-old! One WORD....FIRED!
Your manager’s kid is basically her tiny secretary, obviously. SO unprofessional of the 12yo to not know the schedule and authorize the requested day off. -Karen, probably
Story 1, this is a stage of the cycle of domestic abuse, taken to a terrifying extreme. OP needs to keep making a paper trail and alert the people around him of what she's done. People who are this level of obsessed and destructive towards another person only stop when incarcerated, killed, or both. Which happened to the woman who holds the unfortunate distinction of being the victim of the longest recorded case of stalking. Her abusive ex-husband stalked her until he was arrested for several rapes and kidnapping in another state. Only to track her down decades later to begin stalking her again, which didn't end until he was killed in a shoot out with cops IN HER DRIVEWAY. And yes there was a restraining order against him and was planning to kill her.
Story 2 - Yeah OP’s sister sounds completely out of her mind. I’m sorry that she’s infertile but what she’s doing to her own sister just to have a baby is NOT normal let alone okay. OP’s sister and her husband need SERIOUS help, OP needs to get a restraining order against her sister and BIL and sever all ties with her.
No no no, NOT get an order! Those things have to contain your address so the other person knows where they cannot go. Better to not get one and stay unknown to the sister.
OP's sister not only needs help, she DOES NOT deserve a baby of her own if she was willing to do all of those horrible things. Maybe the universe made her infertile for a reason
Story 2 there's a reason she shouldn't be a mother if she thinks her sister killing her unborn child or giving it to her would be the only way to make things "fair" she needs a lobotomy, not a baby...
In the sisters story, op shouldn't wait to get a restraining order against her sister and the husband. She may be related by blood, but that doesn't make it right for sister and husband to make those unreasonable demands. If op's sister shows up at op's new address, she should not deal with her sister but call the police. What big sis doesn't seem to know is that there are no rules that say the oldest child should have a baby first.
Sue that girlfriend for the character assassination, stalking, harassment, defamation of character and emotional manipulation for making this some kind of a sick game to her to try and manipulate me emotionally.
Story 2 - I can understand her sister. I mean, I can understand the melt down she is having. And yes : she need help ASAP! But, what worry me the most, is the fact that her husband double down meaning none of the two can take the task of calming down, have long hard and heartful discussion about it and be there to provide some grip to raise again. Meaning, they both help themself to go down in the depression/mental health issue. So, OP should be aware that she is not the only one in danger. Immediate familly and friends that doesn't allow her to go further with the "adoption" could be in danger. Anybody they know with young baby should never have any complaint about how hard it is to be a parent or they might be the next target of them. And, if they go further down hill, any hospital or birth & abortion clinic could become a place to find a target. She is the kind of woman that will try to kidnap a baby at the hospital. The intensity and the lack of commun sens of her behavior (and the fact that his BF doesn't put a break to this) is very very worrying!
Story 3: Honestly, I could never imagine joking behind my partner's back that they were a "trust fund Barbie" and that I was using them for money. I can only imagine making jokes like that to my partner's face, in an obvious joking tone, if they were comfortable with it. Even relationships that I could tell were on the decline, I would never allow people to crack jokes like that at their expense, especially behind their back. Also, as a former rich kid (abused for being developmentally disabled, disowned for being gay), there is a lot of rational insecurity among rich kids & former rich kids about being used for our money. It really doesn't matter whether you're a good person or bad. There are people who will get close to you simply because they want your money. As a kid, my so-called "friends" would gossip to the rest of the class that my parents were rich and the effect was immediate. I could always tell who was told because they'd either immediately come up to me asking to borrow money or they would invite me to their birthday party, get angry at me for not buying them luxury items, then spend the entire party bullying me and telling me to call my mom and ask to go home because none of them wanted me there. For me, catching a partner talking about my family wealth like that would be an instant break-up. That's not paranoia. Its a realistic reaction based on past experiences.
Our family has always operated on a byob style in terms of side dishes and deserts with the host doing the main meat and stuffing or whatever for the holidays. One person doing all that prep work just doesn't seem feasible anymore. It's not the 1950's where the house wife doesn't have to work and can take the time to do it being the norm.
#2 Any bad mouthing about me from a significant other, regardless of topic, would be an instant deal breaker. A relationship will only work if there is mutual respect and an outward kind regard for the other. There is no negotiation; no excuses that he got carried away with his friends. If he is that immature and irresponsible to get "carried away" in a conversation then he is not a quality person I would give a minute more too. Stick to your standards and keep them high.
12 yr old me would've told her to hold on, waited a couple of minutes, then told her no she could as someone else had already called. Hosting - no his family is 1000% in the wrong. I'd never let them over again!
4th story: so She's mad at her bosses kid who is 12 years old by the way for not telling her if it's ok to have a day off so she can get drunk with her friends? Like lady she's 12 she doesn't have any authority to tell her mom's employees to have a day off. I wish that karen would get fired for calling her bosses 12 year old daughter useless all because, she doesn't like the answer that she got.
Story #2: besides moving to a new home, OP needs to STAY OFF SOCIAL MEDIA and not announce anything having to do with the move (including city or location) or even when she's had the baby. I wonder if OP & husband ever did get a restraining order against the sister and her husband (needs to include both since the husband is on the side of the wife).
Story 2 - if she is willing to adopt her sisters baby, she should be trying to adopt from an orphanage. Take out a restraining order against sister and brother in law.
I hope to God she doesn’t adopt. I’m glad she doesn’t want to. The LAST thing this psycho needs is a child depending on her. She needs serious help, NOT a kid!!
Story 3: I’ve been happily married for over 35 years and we both signed a prenup. I think OP did the right thing in the end. She would always be second guessing herself had she kept the relationship.
Story 5: Sorry, but this is a house, not a playpen. If everyone is going to treat the house poorly, then not anymore. If you want to act like an irresponsible animal with zero regards for the host's feelings, go play in a park or destroy your own house. Hosting means someone will have the gathering at their place, but there are still rules in place. Guests are still supposed to be responsible for their own actions
At least the girlfriend was raised properly and offered to help. The in laws, to borrow a phrase from my mother, acted like they were raised in a barn.
First story: I hope OP sued his ex for all the emotional damage she did plus all the financial damage she did, plus all the slandering she did. Second Story: OP did a lot of good things to help protect their family from their crazed sister Karen. Something else to consider would be to go to a hotel in another city that is about 8 hours away for 3 days before OP's due date and until OP delivers their baby. This way Karen can't try to figure out which hospital OP is in to try to show up and grab the baby (sadly this is not a rare story). And I wouldn't post anything about the birth until after OP moves. It might even be a good idea for OP to stay in a hotel near where they are moving to while OP's hubby gets some friends to help him move their stuff. This way Karen will not have any chance of trying to get close to the baby. Also, OP should post all those message from Karen on social media so her friends can see just how not right in the head she really is. This way she can't get them to try to help her in some way.
10:13 Oh boy, that hits close to home. I really hope OP has been able to get as far away from her sister as possible. I know how it is for having an extremly jealous sibling.
1st story: GF wanted the heady power of being OPs comforter. Sick witch needs to be sued for defamation of character and willful infliction of distress
I've heard the first story and the third story before. Story 1: She wanted OP dependant upon her. She is a narcissist, and wanted to make sure he couldn't think of being without her. Story 3: I said it the first time I heard it...he was planning to marry her, wait 3 years, and then get rid of her and make it look like an accident.
#1 No, being a single child does not automatically make a person entitled. I know plenty and they are kind, modest, wonderful people who give to others in career and life. There are plenty of entitled brats that grow in big families and are treated like the Golden Child. OPs gf is a nasty piece of work, who seems to be a sociopath. The spreadsheet is highly disturbing.
2nd story: I think what she wanted was to make OP emotionally dependent on her. She likes the feeling of being the one their for them, being their 'rock' as it were
6:00 she sounds like the type that would want to hold a baby, find it sleeping, and pinch it hard to make it cry so she could pick it up and coo and comfort it saying she's here and she's the only one the baby needs to make it feel better.
No. That's not even remotely accurate, and I suggest that someone without a medical license to practice psychiatry *not* try to diagnose people; it makes you look unintelligent.
That's nothing like Munchausen's??? Please properly educate yourself on the vocabulary around mental disabilities before integrating it into your language. This is how the struggles and trauma of actually mentally ill people & their victims have their pain minimized. Through regular diminishing of the language used to explain their horrific experiences.
I don't think the Munchausen's similarity is farfetched. She's causing harm, albeit psychological not physical, in order to gain a certain type of attention that puts her on a pedestal. No need to tear people down for their thoughts.
@@LilChuunosuke oh, please tell me more about MY mental health history and experiences, buddy. Suffice to say, I'm more than slightly acquainted with the world of mental health issues.
23:31 my grandma and grandpa, when they were alive, would host every major holiday. It was an unwritten rule that you took your shoes off at the front door. You picked up after yourself. If you use the dish, you put it in the dishwasher after rinsing it off in the sink. And that was after they got a dishwasher! Before then you got to help with cleaning the dishes on a rotating basis. And yes, they did keep track, which is pretty impressive since we’re talking about 40 people, sometimes more. If any of us behaved like these people behaved, we would have been escorted out, and not invited for the next gathering. If I recall correctly, this happened with one of our relatives families. It only happened once!
Story 2 - If OP is moving and gets a restraining order she will end up finding out the address since it will have to specify what locations she is to stay away from. The only way around that is to specify OP's family by name and not put locations, however I dont think that is possible, so OP might want to speak to their lawyer regarding such. However if OP is moving to a place that is some distance, it will be hard for the sister to make any excuse for being there other than it being work related, and that's a bit hard if she is stalking OP into a supermarket or such public places.
Story 1: I was in a 10 month relationship that not only paused my career for several but also almost cost me my life. I left her, apprehended two friends of her brother, and two weeks later, those same two friends tried to end me with a brick upside the head. I was Asset Protection at the time. Story 3: I work a job that’s nothing to write home about but pays bills. I’m in a relationship with a Lady. I don’t let anyone help me financially. Nobody. I don’t care how well off my Lady’s family is or isn’t. I’m there to support their daughter and therefore support them. They moved me to where I am now, so I in turn take one of my many side skills and use them to make sure everything that can be done in house is done in house. OP’s Ex isn’t a real man, he’s a damn gold digger by the he very definition. You don’t treat the family you’re coming into that way. You treat them with respect and lend yourself accordingly as needed.
That obsessed sister sounds absolutely certifiable! I hope to God she never gets her hands on her sister’s baby and that she ends up in jail beforehand!
OP better make sure that kid never sees her sister even after It's born. Because you know that if her sister does talk to her child, she's gonna come up with something like the daughter is really her child and that OP actually kidnapped the child from her or some BS like that.
Last story: When you are hosting an event it doesn’t mean that your home becomes a stomping ground for pigs and lazy idiots. I would never go to someone’s home and treat it like a campground or landfill. When OP’s in-laws can start being respectful, maybe that’s when they can host again.
Insane sister = get a bigger dog , have it professionally trained . move out of state , inform new police about your sister , give them all the info they need and make sure to reup the restraining order. Never post any pictures on social media of the baby. My aunt successfully stole my grandson from my daughter, told her she would be a horrible mother and that aunt could do way better . she also could not have her own kids, banned in 10 states from adopting and or fostering, deemed by courts as unfit to parent. yet somehow they got my grandson, supposedly legally adopted him. He is 5 , still in diapers, still on a bottle, not even close to kindergarten ready. i wish i had him , he would at least have a decent life. rather than be with people who will ( probably already do ) treat him like a hated dog. they got in trouble for locking kids in dog cages for " being bad" i cry when i think about the life he will have and if he will survive.
My biggest question would be why did the gf do all this in the first place? My husband and I tried to get pregnant for 4 years. We then had 2 miscarriages after our first baby. I get it. My neighbor just spent $60k on IVF. The sister’s behavior and actions should deem her too immature to parent in the first place. I know someone who desperately wants a baby, luckily I think her husband knows better. I’m glad they don’t. She’s immature and quite irresponsible. They can’t even afford a roof over their heads and are on Medicaid. She thought it was unfair my private insurance covered infertility while Medicaid didn’t. Trust fund OP dodged a bullet. The behavior of OPs in laws. I wouldn’t find that vegetable of my 4 year old.
Story 2 - I’m actually worried about OP taking this anniversary trip. New locks and cameras aren’t enough if she’s not physically present to manage it. She needs the vacation, but… I am paranoid.
Story 5: NTA I am so glad to hear that your husband has your back in this. Hosting does not permit guests to be lazy and run amok. Hosting also does not mean babysitting lazy people's children. Hosting does not mean that you are a slave. Relax, and have fun being a lazy guest.
The second story. The older sister clearly does not value any baby as her first "compromise " was to abort. She's unhinged. Even scarier is she's got her husband on board.
Story 2 Don’t threaten Karen with calling the police. Just call them and get her harassing on the record to make it easier to get the Restraining Order.
To the young lady, whose sister wants her to give her her baby. Move as far away from that person as you can. I wish you and your husband and your family all the best, I’m sorry that your sister is losing her mind over not having children.
Story #2 I hope she gets a restraining order against her sister. That's fucking scary as shit to think someone let alone your sister may steal your baby. 😢
Story 1 - Can we talk about the "You need me in your life" defense? I think the people who get to use that defense usually aren't the ones systematically dismantling said life.
I’ve heard story 1 before. She is one sick puppy. Second story. It’ll never be over. She’s unhinged and very dangerous. Restraining orders and make sure all daycare knows who she is.
The first story involves abuse through isolation. She is his only comfort. It happens a lot, although I haven't heard of an abuser doing it this way before.
Last Story: Not the ahole. Being a host simply means you're allowing the event to occur on your property. The level of responsibilities you decide to take on beyond that is up to you, as well as any restrictions you may have for the guests. My household has the bigger kitchen and dining place, so we usually hold Thanksgiving dinners for the extended family. We make sure to do the pre-cleaning, set up tables, plates, and utensils. We also provide the sodas and I make a couple of desserts. My brother cooks the meat in his smoker and brings it over. Other family members bring various dishes like the green bean casseroles, mashed taters, stuffing, deviled eggs, and more desserts. Then we all pitch in with the afterward cleanup and packing of leftovers. Sharing responsibilities brings the family closer together and gives a good feeling you won't otherwise get just lazing around and letting everyone else do the work (much less actively destroy the host's property).
What is wrong with that family in the last one?! In Scotland hosting just means you agree to meet at someone’s home. Everyone brings something and everyone chips in which helping out and cleaning up… These people are just AHs
STORY 2 - THROWAWAY PREGNANCY: I'm female and I have NEVER understood women in regards to wanting babies on any level let alone this one. It doesn't border pathetic it IS pathetic. "I want a baby". "I deserve a baby". And all of those pathetic things you come out with. Get a grip. It's just a baby. Stop griping.
OP'S husband needs to be just as a bad guest as they were at your house and have it even worse by bringing a petting zoo over at the next birthday or something so that they know the kind of stress that you felt when they came.
Cult leaders do exactly what the girlfriend in the 1st story did. He saw the signs. Good for him
She was more of a one on one abusive type. Cult leaders are a huge number of people to lead abusive type. But the whole lying they are your rock believe them and take away means to survive on your own is the same.
Baby-hungry sister story: Sis doesn’t need a baby, she needs a Psychiatric Evaluation. So does her hubby.
I've always wanted to be a mother and life hasn't worked out that way. That said, I would NEVER act the way the sister has, and I bear no jealousy toward those whose life has allowed them what mine hasn't. Life is what it is and you adapt. It's that simple. I think, with her attitude, the sister would make a terrible mother. He behaviour and attitude would set a poor example for any child she attempted to raise.
Why doesn't the sister just apbot a different child exactly?
@@typervader - Could be a number of factors. The expense of adoption. The approval process. Genetics. Likely all of the above. Basically a free baby with little to no red tape and with some level of genetic connection to her. In other words, she's cheap, lazy and shallow.
First story she was actively ruining his life so he would depend on her. slowly becoming his whole world.
She had some kind of “hero syndrome “ where she had to create bad senecios so she could save him
@@KateandEvatoysExplains Marvel to a T.
No, she's just straight up a total narcissist. Everything that was described that she was doing is literally textbook narcissism. From the lying to OPs employers, to the gaslighting, to claiming he NEEDS her. I had a little brother-in-law that pulled the same BS to my wife (his own sister) all the time until I finally had enough and kicked his butt out of our lives for good and made it very clear that he NEVER returns or he'll regret it (legally regret it that is).
Some kind of Münchenausen by proxy.
That is what we call "Toxic" behavior. Lady needs to go to jail for defamation, and a psych ward for her head.
Story 3 - No OP was not overreacting. The guy sounded like a gold digging playboy and a creep.
I find it funny how Mark tried to play off the insults as a "joke" but I'm not laughing because it's a funny joke, I'm laughing at his pathetic attempt at reconciliation, and its painstakingly clear he's only apologizing because he got caught being a gold digger
If you are wealthy the rule should be to always have a prenup. Because that is certainly one way to weed out at least some of the people who are after the money, not the person. And there will always be those, which is one of the problems rich do have, while it most certainly would be nicer to be rich than poor money does bring its own problems. If a rich person who marries a poor or poorer person wants to make sure they will be okay if the rich spouse happens to die first there presumably are other ways to ensure that besides giving them half of everything the moment the marriage happens (better probably not to tell them if you have them in your will either, just in case they are something worse than a gold digger, murders for money happen too).
Mark was no slouch, he knew if he never accepted the fruits and benefits right away of the wealth then he would appear to not be a gold digger. His sheep's wool was to appear humble so the prenup would not be needed. His mistake is like a lot of people and situations, he got comfortable. So he revealed his wolf side by not knowing OP was sick at home. Obviously the family may have got the vibe about him, it is hard to tell with wealth of who is there for you truly and who are only there because of the money. But glad he got cocky and was found out
The only chance for it to be a joke if if he had no problem signing the prenup, he was already given a good job, parents would've giften ton of stuff so indeed he wouldn't even settle with marrying up.
Women are golddiggers. You mean a fortune-hunting playboy.
First story: OP's girlfriend showed true abusive stalker behavior. Is like that of "I love you, so I will harm you, so I can save you". She literally wanted to make OP misserable to make herself his only comfort so he wouldn't dare break up with her. I hope OP's legal actions got her behind bars for cyber stalking and slander.
I believe the term is "Munchausen by proxy".
This is one sick thing! Wow, I mean this is so messed up!!
Story 2: That sister is on her to way killing the pregnant mother. She would attempt to rip that baby from her womb as soon as its viable. Get a restraining order as well as a cease & desist.
Too many stories of that happening. Taylor Parker, Amber Waterman, Clarisa Figueroa (and her daughter), Lisa Montgomery, Katie Smith.... that sister is unhinged and her husband is enabling her too much in this instead of getting professional help for her.
OP is moving, a restraining order would give away her new address, better to not have one.
@@Ishlacorrin Nope. That's not how they work. They are based on the person not the location.
@@protoborgNo, they are right. A restraining order needs to have locations on it so the targets (and the legal system) know and have a record of where the target can't go near.
@@davidharshman7645 This is part of why restraining orders are a joke. Letting a person capable of violence against someone know exactly where the victim will be is setting them up for danger. If the perp doesn't care about breaking laws concerning assault and potentially murder why the hell would they care about a stupid piece of paper?
What the girlfriend in the first story did is a form of abuse, she was most likely hoping that if he got fired enough times that OP would stop looking and would be more financially dependent on her
Narcissistic people are not above sabotaging their partners, isolating them, keeping them for themselves in every sense of the word. It's about complete control, financial, emotional, etc.
This bish is showing textbook signs. How do I know? I both have done my digging AND experienced it. The former made sense of the latter. I'm disabled so there was never a job to sabotage, but she gaslit me and ruined my friendships.
women cant abuse men btw
I'm pretty sure I've heard this exact story before, but without the spreadsheet & father details and with updates. This is probably an embellished "repost" by someone claiming it as their own. IIRC, the reason was something stupid like the GF wanting to spend more time with BF and thinking he'd stay home with her if not working.
@@cmlemmus494you know, now that I see your comment, I think I saw the post you're talking about and I think you're right about this post
I think this is a well-known form of psychosis. I'm not sure what it's called, but it's certainly provided enough movie plots.
Story 1: she sounds like someone who is a manipulator and mentally cant handle seeing others succeed without her so she ensures he always has to come back. Very toxic relationship and good on op to get out.
Wants control and is very much trying to establish it. She has been hindering him to eventually have control of him. Either she wants him dependent on her or possibly finds those jobs beneath him and wants him to get one to her liking.
Story 3: depending on where OP lives there are laws about financial distribution of marital assets if you've been married for X period of time and there is no prenup. So that "3 years and I'm free" comment from the fiance sounds like he was planning on getting divorced as soon as he could legally take her for as much money as he could. That's why he flipped out over the prenup papers.
Yup, this is true. My godfather’s crazy ex tried to pull this, as petty revenge for him divorcing her. But Karen didn’t know there was a time requirement. They were barely married just under a year, so technically they didn’t get divorced. Their marriage was annulled, Karen got nothing and we were set free. 🎉
Story 2: OP's sister doesn't sound like someone who should be raising a baby at all. Neither does sister's husband, for that matter.
To be fair most of the problem probably comes from not being able to get pregnant, though also this is the kind of parent that raise the most spoiled children because after finally getting one they give them everything.
So, you want a child of your own so bad, yet you can't be bothered with adopting a child?! I guess beggers CAN be choosers.😑
I absolutely one hundred percent agree. My house, my rules if you don't like them. There's the door you're more than willing and free to exit.
Story 2: Man, she really is that obsessed with being the parent before OP. To the point of making an internet post to guilt OP, committing burglary, and even initially trying to get OP to abort to "be fair".
News flash, not everything is about you
At the point that they posted the ultrasound pics as their own, I would have assumed they're planning on taking my baby and would have responded directly to that post and accused her of it. It reminds me of that case where the psycho girl posed as a photographer, unalived one of the brides who hired her, and pretended the baby,that she had forcibly taken out of her victim, was hers. She did the same things this sister did.
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What happen after? Was the psycho girl caught? Was the baby reunited with its family?
@@thalinororcbreaker2840absolutely what I said when listening to this. I can easily see her sister killing her and stealing the baby even though it would be so easily solved by the police. This woman is a psychopath.
@@Rylosalexgiven that the story is known I would imagine that means she was caught.
@@Rylosalex Oh, she was caught and convicted. Rotten Mango did a very detailed breakdown of the story here on YT. The killer's name is Taylor Rene Parker. You will be unnerved by some of the obsessive similarities between Taylor and this sister. Sadly, the baby did not survive the ordeal.
As a 30 year law enforcement officer the sister can definitely have charges pressed against her but the police just don't want to do their job.
I once had a dispute over my trailer-park neighbors squatting in my parking space and blocking me in when I asked them to leave me space to park my car. It escalated to the point of threats of violence and when I called the police to ask for help resolving it, their response was "We can't actually _do_ anything." Literally, their phone person's exact words. Do you think that was the same thing? I sure did. Not sure what other impression I was supposed to take away from that. :P
Story 3's lesson: ALWAYS. SIGN. A. PRENUP. If possible, with a borderline inhuman cheating clause, so that none of them will even think about cheating.
That sister?? She is way off the deep end. Is there even hope of coming back from that? Yikes!
Not without intense therapy or something along those lines.
I wonder if sister's husband was "shooting blanks" iykwim. If he is, I believe that sperm donation is an option...
I'd say that everything she and her husband have been doing and saying is a strong reason why they shouldn't be parents. This sort of unhinged behavior is not good for a vulnerable child.
"She needs help".... What she really needs is a couple years in a mental hospital. 🤨
@@lancerevell5979 That's what I was thinking.
Story 1: I heard that story before and honestly I think it call 'isolation manipulation abuse' and honestly the EX likely live off of the attention of being needed by OP and the sadistic desire to keep in control.
It feels like some variant of Munchausen By Proxy. She gets his attention every time he has something awful happen to him, and she craves that attention, so she keeps the steady stream of awful things coming.
Mark was showing his true colors when the prenuptial agreement was brought up. If you really want a relationship, you tell the person you want a lawyer to explain it.
3rd Story: I'm not wealthy, but I'd first NEVER marry someone who would joke at my expense either in front of me or behind my back. I can't imagine my hubby saying any kind of "jokes" like the guys did with his friends, hubby and I respect each other too much.
Story 5: One word summed this up. Manners. If they have no manners they have no invitation.
It's a power move. Textbook narcissism, she wants to be the only stable thing in OP's life. It's all about control and she had him bad. Thankfully OP got out, people like that are dangerous.
Story 3 - That was not an overreaction at all. We're talking about her fiance here, not a new boyfriend. He's the one who threw away years by mocking his wife-to-be behind her back as well as by refusing to sign a pre-nup that he himself said was a no-brainer. Is she stupid for not requiring the pre-nup or is she disrespecting him for wanting a pre-nup? It's a no-win situation that he himself put her in. Who wants to marry someone who calls them stupid?
Exactly and goes along with her being called trust fund Barbie
That was my thought line. Even if it was just a joke and he wasn't in it for the money, who would want to marry someone who was so openly disrespectful about them. Yeah, guys and people in general do make stupid comments around friends, but it also shows their personality clearly. An adult shouldn't be that willing to throw a life partner under the bus to look cool in front of guy friends. Worst case is the guy is a conman and a gold digger, but even in the best case he's got a middle school level of emotional maturity and some insecurity issues. Neither is a promising for a successful marriage.
If it was a joke, he shouldn't have a problem with a prenuptial. And Noone in a healthy loving relationship would make or tolerate those comments about their partner
Not to mention he straight up lied to her face when she asked about the guest he had. Said the girls knew her from her private Instagram page
What I don't get is his 3 year plan. If her parents set up a trust fund for her to be accessed upon retirement or whatever, he shouldn't have been able to benefit from that if he was going to divorce her in three years. She also said she had her own job and worked hard for her own money and it wasn't all that glamorous. Also, it sounds like he was making more money than her working for her dad, which he would jeopardize by divorcing her. If he was expecting an inheritance, once again, did he expect her parents to die within the next three years? If that's the case, this "freedom" thing he was talking about might be taking on a much darker road than I initially thought.
Story 3. My cousin dated a guy for years. They bought a house together. They had an engagement party where he got drunk, again. When asked if he really wanted to get married, he laughed and said no. She dumped him after a huge fight. But then her younger sister got married, and she felt like an old maid. So she took the idiot back and married him. After less than 5 years, they got divorced. As he left the house, he said that the only reason he married her was that he didn't want to have to cook and clean for himself. Also he didn't want to have to pick up a woman at a bar to have sex with. When people say things, believe them, especially when they are drunk. When drunk, people don't have the capability to do a good job of lying.
I think you hit the nail on the head, she loves being the one he goes to for comfort.
Like an arson firefighter who sets a fire to be the "hero"
Last story: the code of hospitality has expectations for both sides. It does not allow trashing the home of the host.
Wow! Last story: I come from a very large family and you bet that everyone pitched in in some way at family get togethers. All of the adults and over 13s had tasks to accomplish and we were all more than happy and even volunteered for extra chores. No, what's part of hosting is enjoying your family and having willing help when you need it.
This! My aunt and uncle always host thanksgiving since they have the biggest house but everyone pitches in. If you don’t help cook, then you clean the dishes afterwards. People bring desserts or make grocery runs to get whatever is needed. Everyone, even the younger kids (though not too young) are expected to put their plates in the sink or thrown their trash away. I can’t say much for the kids running around and touching everything because we absolutely did that as kids but we also brought our own stuff to entertain ourselves as well. (Plus there were things we stayed away from because we were explicitly told not to mess with it.)
@@seireidoragon Yeah, running around touching everything is what kids do. Not a day went by when one of my younger siblings or cousins didn't give us a non player's recital on the baby grand. Nobody cared, except at mealtime. when we were then expected to be respectful at the tables.
On the second story, before I let it finish, op your sister is a psyopath, what the heck is wrong with her and her husband, they DON'T deserve kids acting like that. Congratulations to you and your husband op.
Op's bil needs therapy too. He went along with his wifes behavior. Sounds like they're both not handling thier grief very well.
Final Story - Definitely NTA. Family or not, those people would NEVER set foot in my house EVER Again!
I agree!! But invite the girlfriend back... She has good manners! 😆💋💖
Every single person (excluding the GF who helped clean) who entered OP's house are disgusting and immature, they're not adults their children, OP's house isn't a restaurant, it's another person's private domicile, my family help clean whenever someone hosts, because family looks after each other, no barge into someone's place and trash the joint
The unfinished soda cans are my biggest pet peeve; having to dump good soda down the sink because you don't want to drink someone else's germs or save it for them and have it become flat because you can't reseal it. I had to break my brother and one of my then-young cousins of this habit. You can clean my house of soda, but by god FINISH THE STUPID CAN YOU OPEN!!!!.
I can't imagine what I would have done to these azzholes---the first time a crotch-goblin tried to go upstairs, or damaged any of my things the whole family would be leaving---THIS IS MY HOUSE! would be the last thing any of them ever heard form me.
Peter Griffin has the same attitude about going to someone else's house for a get together, you can trash the place. Seriously it is bad manners and obviously the husband is not like his family. That's entitlement 101 to just assume, don't matter the situation or place. You just assume you have a right to do what ever you want.
Story 1 - I can see an Ex girlfriend/boyfriend doing what OP’s girlfriend was doing but not a current. She’s a narcissistic psychopath who seems to love creating chaos and pain to others while also being ‘a comforting person’. I hope that OP receives justice for all that she’s done to him.
Fr like I can't imagine hurting someone I love..... Even if I accidentally elbow my partner when I wake up I immediately apologize and I'll spend the next two days making sure I didn't actually hurt them because it weighs on me a lot whenever my partner gets hurt in any way. Idk maybe I'm weird but I can't imagine doing what that lady did.
When I was growing up my family did go to relatives places for Christmas or just a friendly group gathering, Never did the family not bring something to the feast. Salads, deserts, sodas & such. Clean up was also part of the deal. The heartless family were major jerks.
The first story reminds me of that case where a girl was suffering from severe bullying on social media . She had massive anxiety because of it and would always cry to her mother, who would comfort her during those hard times. Long story short, she found out that her mom had been the cyberbully the entire time and she was trying to make her daughter believe that people hated her. I'm sure that in both cases they were trying to make the victim dependent on them or making themselves seem more important. Similar to people who make others sick or injure them on purpose to nurse them or "save" their lives.
I wish I could’ve been there to tell the Karen in the second story “You know that there are plenty of kids in foster care right now who don’t have homes, right? A lot of them are aging out of foster care and don’t have anywhere else to go, adopt them if you want to be a mom so bad.”
But of course, she just has to have her sister’s baby 🤦🏻♂️
It sounds like she has some problems mentally due to her infertility but good point
This lunatic should be no one's mother.
Damn. Imagine your partner, of whom you made yourself so vulnerable to, would go so far as to ruin every job you've had. I guess she got off at making someone rely on her for everything or something.
Makes me wish all these stories were fake, I know a lot are, but I have so little faith in people that it doesn't sound too farfetched either.
Yeah, it seems like a classic case of Hero syndrome, they create a harmful situation for the victim, so that they can "save" the victim from the situation. Glad OP got away from her before she truly made him dependent on her... or worse.
First story : NARCISSIST! She is a malignant one, trying to ruin his life so he would be dependent on her.
Last story: I have one simple house rule for guests and that's "No guests allowed".
Story 4 - Hope you enjoyed your free Saturday Karen… but seriously yelling at a 12 year old for not knowing if she can have Saturday off?
I can't believe that crazy phone call. A 12-year-old just trying to help her Mom and take a message, and a grown woman intimidating a 12-year-old! One WORD....FIRED!
Your manager’s kid is basically her tiny secretary, obviously. SO unprofessional of the 12yo to not know the schedule and authorize the requested day off.
-Karen, probably
Story 1, this is a stage of the cycle of domestic abuse, taken to a terrifying extreme.
OP needs to keep making a paper trail and alert the people around him of what she's done. People who are this level of obsessed and destructive towards another person only stop when incarcerated, killed, or both.
Which happened to the woman who holds the unfortunate distinction of being the victim of the longest recorded case of stalking.
Her abusive ex-husband stalked her until he was arrested for several rapes and kidnapping in another state. Only to track her down decades later to begin stalking her again, which didn't end until he was killed in a shoot out with cops IN HER DRIVEWAY.
And yes there was a restraining order against him and was planning to kill her.
Yeah, shout at your boss' kid and call them useless. Be happy you still have a job.
Prenup story: I wouldn't have even offered the prenup, I would have just dumped him.
agreed. I would have walked out in the middle of them talking and ended it right there in front of everyone.
Story 2 - Yeah OP’s sister sounds completely out of her mind. I’m sorry that she’s infertile but what she’s doing to her own sister just to have a baby is NOT normal let alone okay. OP’s sister and her husband need SERIOUS help, OP needs to get a restraining order against her sister and BIL and sever all ties with her.
No no no, NOT get an order! Those things have to contain your address so the other person knows where they cannot go. Better to not get one and stay unknown to the sister.
@@Ishlacorrin I didn’t know that restraining orders have your addresses on them
OP's sister not only needs help, she DOES NOT deserve a baby of her own if she was willing to do all of those horrible things. Maybe the universe made her infertile for a reason
@@elmasterdezoologia6641 As cruel as that is I can’t help but agree.
@@tmntfangirl4700 To be fair only some do, orders against a person do not, against a place of residence / business do.
Story 2 there's a reason she shouldn't be a mother if she thinks her sister killing her unborn child or giving it to her would be the only way to make things "fair" she needs a lobotomy, not a baby...
And wearing a straight jacket as well.
In the sisters story, op shouldn't wait to get a restraining order against her sister and the husband. She may be related by blood, but that doesn't make it right for sister and husband to make those unreasonable demands.
If op's sister shows up at op's new address, she should not deal with her sister but call the police.
What big sis doesn't seem to know is that there are no rules that say the oldest child should have a baby first.
Even the witches from Hocus Pocus would gag at the sight of wild Karens demanding (or kidnapping) kids
Sue that girlfriend for the character assassination, stalking, harassment, defamation of character and emotional manipulation for making this some kind of a sick game to her to try and manipulate me emotionally.
Story 2 - I can understand her sister. I mean, I can understand the melt down she is having. And yes : she need help ASAP! But, what worry me the most, is the fact that her husband double down meaning none of the two can take the task of calming down, have long hard and heartful discussion about it and be there to provide some grip to raise again. Meaning, they both help themself to go down in the depression/mental health issue.
So, OP should be aware that she is not the only one in danger. Immediate familly and friends that doesn't allow her to go further with the "adoption" could be in danger. Anybody they know with young baby should never have any complaint about how hard it is to be a parent or they might be the next target of them. And, if they go further down hill, any hospital or birth & abortion clinic could become a place to find a target.
She is the kind of woman that will try to kidnap a baby at the hospital.
The intensity and the lack of commun sens of her behavior (and the fact that his BF doesn't put a break to this) is very very worrying!
2nd story sister and brother in-law both need some serious mental health help who the hell thinks like that
Seriously insane thinking and actions
Story 3: Honestly, I could never imagine joking behind my partner's back that they were a "trust fund Barbie" and that I was using them for money. I can only imagine making jokes like that to my partner's face, in an obvious joking tone, if they were comfortable with it. Even relationships that I could tell were on the decline, I would never allow people to crack jokes like that at their expense, especially behind their back.
Also, as a former rich kid (abused for being developmentally disabled, disowned for being gay), there is a lot of rational insecurity among rich kids & former rich kids about being used for our money. It really doesn't matter whether you're a good person or bad. There are people who will get close to you simply because they want your money. As a kid, my so-called "friends" would gossip to the rest of the class that my parents were rich and the effect was immediate. I could always tell who was told because they'd either immediately come up to me asking to borrow money or they would invite me to their birthday party, get angry at me for not buying them luxury items, then spend the entire party bullying me and telling me to call my mom and ask to go home because none of them wanted me there. For me, catching a partner talking about my family wealth like that would be an instant break-up. That's not paranoia. Its a realistic reaction based on past experiences.
Our family has always operated on a byob style in terms of side dishes and deserts with the host doing the main meat and stuffing or whatever for the holidays. One person doing all that prep work just doesn't seem feasible anymore. It's not the 1950's where the house wife doesn't have to work and can take the time to do it being the norm.
#2 Any bad mouthing about me from a significant other, regardless of topic, would be an instant deal breaker. A relationship will only work if there is mutual respect and an outward kind regard for the other. There is no negotiation; no excuses that he got carried away with his friends. If he is that immature and irresponsible to get "carried away" in a conversation then he is not a quality person I would give a minute more too. Stick to your standards and keep them high.
5th story- hosting does not mean it's a hotel. I feel so bad for the couple.😢
12 yr old me would've told her to hold on, waited a couple of minutes, then told her no she could as someone else had already called.
Hosting - no his family is 1000% in the wrong. I'd never let them over again!
1st story - I really hope they sued that crap out of her. He has a fake bad reputation because of her
4th story: so She's mad at her bosses kid who is 12 years old by the way for not telling her if it's ok to have a day off so she can get drunk with her friends? Like lady she's 12 she doesn't have any authority to tell her mom's employees to have a day off. I wish that karen would get fired for calling her bosses 12 year old daughter useless all because, she doesn't like the answer that she got.
Story #2: besides moving to a new home, OP needs to STAY OFF SOCIAL MEDIA and not announce anything having to do with the move (including city or location) or even when she's had the baby. I wonder if OP & husband ever did get a restraining order against the sister and her husband (needs to include both since the husband is on the side of the wife).
She did it to have control. She did it to manipulate him to only being with her and only going to her. So she would have complete control of him
Story 2 - if she is willing to adopt her sisters baby, she should be trying to adopt from an orphanage. Take out a restraining order against sister and brother in law.
A restraining order would give away OP's new address to her sister, not a good idea.
At this point, I don’t think she’d qualify for fostering or adoption.
I hope to God she doesn’t adopt. I’m glad she doesn’t want to. The LAST thing this psycho needs is a child depending on her. She needs serious help, NOT a kid!!
S3: She should have played the long game and claimed they were moving, and boom, he's bot on the lease. Just blind side him.
Story 3:
I’ve been happily married for over 35 years and we both signed a prenup. I think OP did the right thing in the end. She would always be second guessing herself had she kept the relationship.
She probably liked the control she had by getting him fired every time.
Mark wasn’t joking, he meant every word he said with his friend, plus it sounded like she was two-timing op with those women.
Story 5: Sorry, but this is a house, not a playpen. If everyone is going to treat the house poorly, then not anymore. If you want to act like an irresponsible animal with zero regards for the host's feelings, go play in a park or destroy your own house.
Hosting means someone will have the gathering at their place, but there are still rules in place. Guests are still supposed to be responsible for their own actions
At least the girlfriend was raised properly and offered to help. The in laws, to borrow a phrase from my mother, acted like they were raised in a barn.
Yeah I’ve heard this story at least three times recently and I’m appalled at the family’s behavior. Don’t host and don’t let them in your house.
First story: I hope OP sued his ex for all the emotional damage she did plus all the financial damage she did, plus all the slandering she did.
Second Story: OP did a lot of good things to help protect their family from their crazed sister Karen. Something else to consider would be to go to a hotel in another city that is about 8 hours away for 3 days before OP's due date and until OP delivers their baby. This way Karen can't try to figure out which hospital OP is in to try to show up and grab the baby (sadly this is not a rare story). And I wouldn't post anything about the birth until after OP moves. It might even be a good idea for OP to stay in a hotel near where they are moving to while OP's hubby gets some friends to help him move their stuff. This way Karen will not have any chance of trying to get close to the baby.
Also, OP should post all those message from Karen on social media so her friends can see just how not right in the head she really is. This way she can't get them to try to help her in some way.
10:13 Oh boy, that hits close to home. I really hope OP has been able to get as far away from her sister as possible. I know how it is for having an extremly jealous sibling.
1st story: GF wanted the heady power of being OPs comforter. Sick witch needs to be sued for defamation of character and willful infliction of distress
I've heard the first story and the third story before. Story 1: She wanted OP dependant upon her. She is a narcissist, and wanted to make sure he couldn't think of being without her.
Story 3: I said it the first time I heard it...he was planning to marry her, wait 3 years, and then get rid of her and make it look like an accident.
#1 No, being a single child does not automatically make a person entitled. I know plenty and they are kind, modest, wonderful people who give to others in career and life. There are plenty of entitled brats that grow in big families and are treated like the Golden Child. OPs gf is a nasty piece of work, who seems to be a sociopath. The spreadsheet is highly disturbing.
Story 1: Not only should OP sue his ex for civil conspiracy, but also should try to sue those former employers for wrongful termination due to his ex.
2nd story: I think what she wanted was to make OP emotionally dependent on her. She likes the feeling of being the one their for them, being their 'rock' as it were
6:00 she sounds like the type that would want to hold a baby, find it sleeping, and pinch it hard to make it cry so she could pick it up and coo and comfort it saying she's here and she's the only one the baby needs to make it feel better.
Story 2 sounds like how all newborn kidnapping stories start
Attempted kidnapping and stalking the entitled sister should be in jail.
Story 1: OP's ex seems to have some weird variation of Munchausen's by Proxy. She is seriously messed up.
No. That's not even remotely accurate, and I suggest that someone without a medical license to practice psychiatry *not* try to diagnose people; it makes you look unintelligent.
That's nothing like Munchausen's???
Please properly educate yourself on the vocabulary around mental disabilities before integrating it into your language. This is how the struggles and trauma of actually mentally ill people & their victims have their pain minimized. Through regular diminishing of the language used to explain their horrific experiences.
I don't think the Munchausen's similarity is farfetched. She's causing harm, albeit psychological not physical, in order to gain a certain type of attention that puts her on a pedestal. No need to tear people down for their thoughts.
@@LilChuunosuke oh, please tell me more about MY mental health history and experiences, buddy. Suffice to say, I'm more than slightly acquainted with the world of mental health issues.
And I meant that it seemed similar to MbP, not that it was a textbook case. 🙄
Sister is a VERY VERY DANGEROUS PERSON!!
1st story- screen shot every thing, file lawsuits encourage former employers to also file suit. Defamation, harassment, etc.
23:31 my grandma and grandpa, when they were alive, would host every major holiday. It was an unwritten rule that you took your shoes off at the front door. You picked up after yourself. If you use the dish, you put it in the dishwasher after rinsing it off in the sink. And that was after they got a dishwasher! Before then you got to help with cleaning the dishes on a rotating basis. And yes, they did keep track, which is pretty impressive since we’re talking about 40 people, sometimes more.
If any of us behaved like these people behaved, we would have been escorted out, and not invited for the next gathering. If I recall correctly, this happened with one of our relatives families. It only happened once!
Story 2 - If OP is moving and gets a restraining order she will end up finding out the address since it will have to specify what locations she is to stay away from. The only way around that is to specify OP's family by name and not put locations, however I dont think that is possible, so OP might want to speak to their lawyer regarding such.
However if OP is moving to a place that is some distance, it will be hard for the sister to make any excuse for being there other than it being work related, and that's a bit hard if she is stalking OP into a supermarket or such public places.
Story 1: I was in a 10 month relationship that not only paused my career for several but also almost cost me my life. I left her, apprehended two friends of her brother, and two weeks later, those same two friends tried to end me with a brick upside the head. I was Asset Protection at the time.
Story 3: I work a job that’s nothing to write home about but pays bills. I’m in a relationship with a Lady. I don’t let anyone help me financially. Nobody. I don’t care how well off my Lady’s family is or isn’t. I’m there to support their daughter and therefore support them. They moved me to where I am now, so I in turn take one of my many side skills and use them to make sure everything that can be done in house is done in house. OP’s Ex isn’t a real man, he’s a damn gold digger by the he very definition. You don’t treat the family you’re coming into that way. You treat them with respect and lend yourself accordingly as needed.
Story 1: wow this made me boil like what kind of twisted lunacy mindset do you need to try and ruin your partner’s life every chance you get?
That obsessed sister sounds absolutely certifiable! I hope to God she never gets her hands on her sister’s baby and that she ends up in jail beforehand!
OP better make sure that kid never sees her sister even after It's born. Because you know that if her sister does talk to her child, she's gonna come up with something like the daughter is really her child and that OP actually kidnapped the child from her or some BS like that.
story 2: if she can't concieve you have to adopt or stay childless. Adopt a child that doesn't have parents
Last story:
When you are hosting an event it doesn’t mean that your home becomes a stomping ground for pigs and lazy idiots. I would never go to someone’s home and treat it like a campground or landfill. When OP’s in-laws can start being respectful, maybe that’s when they can host again.
Insane sister = get a bigger dog , have it professionally trained . move out of state , inform new police about your sister , give them all the info they need and make sure to reup the restraining order. Never post any pictures on social media of the baby. My aunt successfully stole my grandson from my daughter, told her she would be a horrible mother and that aunt could do way better . she also could not have her own kids, banned in 10 states from adopting and or fostering, deemed by courts as unfit to parent. yet somehow they got my grandson, supposedly legally adopted him. He is 5 , still in diapers, still on a bottle, not even close to kindergarten ready. i wish i had him , he would at least have a decent life. rather than be with people who will ( probably already do ) treat him like a hated dog. they got in trouble for locking kids in dog cages for " being bad" i cry when i think about the life he will have and if he will survive.
My biggest question would be why did the gf do all this in the first place?
My husband and I tried to get pregnant for 4 years. We then had 2 miscarriages after our first baby. I get it. My neighbor just spent $60k on IVF. The sister’s behavior and actions should deem her too immature to parent in the first place. I know someone who desperately wants a baby, luckily I think her husband knows better. I’m glad they don’t. She’s immature and quite irresponsible. They can’t even afford a roof over their heads and are on Medicaid. She thought it was unfair my private insurance covered infertility while Medicaid didn’t.
Trust fund OP dodged a bullet.
The behavior of OPs in laws. I wouldn’t find that vegetable of my 4 year old.
Story 2 - I’m actually worried about OP taking this anniversary trip. New locks and cameras aren’t enough if she’s not physically present to manage it. She needs the vacation, but… I am paranoid.
Story 5: NTA I am so glad to hear that your husband has your back in this. Hosting does not permit guests to be lazy and run amok. Hosting also does not mean babysitting lazy people's children. Hosting does not mean that you are a slave. Relax, and have fun being a lazy guest.
The second story. The older sister clearly does not value any baby as her first "compromise " was to abort. She's unhinged. Even scarier is she's got her husband on board.
Story 2 Don’t threaten Karen with calling the police. Just call them and get her harassing on the record to make it easier to get the Restraining Order.
To the young lady, whose sister wants her to give her her baby. Move as far away from that person as you can. I wish you and your husband and your family all the best, I’m sorry that your sister is losing her mind over not having children.
Story #2 I hope she gets a restraining order against her sister. That's fucking scary as shit to think someone let alone your sister may steal your baby. 😢
Story 1 - Can we talk about the "You need me in your life" defense? I think the people who get to use that defense usually aren't the ones systematically dismantling said life.
I’ve heard story 1 before. She is one sick puppy.
Second story. It’ll never be over. She’s unhinged and very dangerous. Restraining orders and make sure all daycare knows who she is.
The first story involves abuse through isolation. She is his only comfort. It happens a lot, although I haven't heard of an abuser doing it this way before.
Last Story: Not the ahole. Being a host simply means you're allowing the event to occur on your property. The level of responsibilities you decide to take on beyond that is up to you, as well as any restrictions you may have for the guests. My household has the bigger kitchen and dining place, so we usually hold Thanksgiving dinners for the extended family. We make sure to do the pre-cleaning, set up tables, plates, and utensils. We also provide the sodas and I make a couple of desserts. My brother cooks the meat in his smoker and brings it over. Other family members bring various dishes like the green bean casseroles, mashed taters, stuffing, deviled eggs, and more desserts. Then we all pitch in with the afterward cleanup and packing of leftovers. Sharing responsibilities brings the family closer together and gives a good feeling you won't otherwise get just lazing around and letting everyone else do the work (much less actively destroy the host's property).
What is wrong with that family in the last one?! In Scotland hosting just means you agree to meet at someone’s home. Everyone brings something and everyone chips in which helping out and cleaning up… These people are just AHs
STORY 2 - THROWAWAY PREGNANCY: I'm female and I have NEVER understood women in regards to wanting babies on any level let alone this one. It doesn't border pathetic it IS pathetic. "I want a baby". "I deserve a baby". And all of those pathetic things you come out with. Get a grip. It's just a baby. Stop griping.
OP'S husband needs to be just as a bad guest as they were at your house and have it even worse by bringing a petting zoo over at the next birthday or something so that they know the kind of stress that you felt when they came.
If Karen wants to be a mom so bad she can adopt a kid instead of trying to take her sister’s kid
First story has total "yandere" vibes... She's overly possessive and feels that without her, he will never survive. That type of psycho mentality.