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iFlight Protek25 and Protek35 (try to) redefine what a Cinewhoop can be
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- Опубликовано: 17 авг 2024
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The iFlight Protek25 and Protek35 are trying to redefine what a Cinewhoop can be by re-examining the basic aspects of the Cinewhoop formula. Ducts? Nope. Three inch props? Nope. So the big question is, are they better than the original?
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-- TABLE OF CONTENTS --
0:00 - Evolution of Cinewhoops over time (how did we get here)
4:39 - Protek35 bench review
9:08 - Protek25 bench review
12:44 - iFlight knowledgebase and critical warning r.e. Protek25 ESC
13:54 - Protek35 flight test
18:25 - Protek25 flight test
23:21 - Conclusion: should you buy it?
iFlight says they have updated the duct material about mid February 2021 to a stronger material. The review units I received had the original, weaker material.
Where did you read that? I got mine in January
@@possible1337 Same, mine arrived direct from iFlight on Tuesday, with spare prop guards shipped February 20th. Crashed on the carpet and the frame is broken in two places 😂. Pretty sure it would have been more robust building the prop guards out of bone china
Sounds right, I crashed pretty hard and it held up pretty wll (Protek25). :)
thanks for letting us know that; the durability and having to replace the whole outside frame were holding me back.
Are you up near Woodstock?
I’m new to fpv and just wanted to say the sheer amount of knowledge you’ve shared is staggering, and the manner in which you present it is really approachable and understandable. thank you
Thank you that means a lot.
Just wanted to say that those disclaimers on the beginning of the video are really helpful to clear a lot of things up! Keep them there :)
this is why we watch Joshua. Keep it up!
Hey bud!!! I got a protek 35 and IMPROVED the prop wash in tight areas!!! I reversed the motor rotations!! Try it out im amazed, fling indoors like a PRO!! I figured instead of air being pushed to the sides of drone change it up to props in and that may push more air front to back!
Hey man, it’s been a year since you made this comment but I’d love to know more about your experience with changing the props inward. Are you saying you changed the front two props to spin inward towards the camera instead of away and that fixed it’s turns in tight areas?
Congrats on hitting the 200K!
as a Special he could clean up his Backyard, its a horrible mess of so many different things. wth
@@landtechnik4k He could do it with one of authen techs I robots that he has
True comment about the durability. Other reviewers raved about how durable these prop guards are. After getting mine, instantly crack mine in a mild crash (only 3ft off the ground moving slow) foam didn’t help much.
Thanks for all your videos. You have no idea how helpful they have been for me, especially your detailed reviews, and tutorials on betaflight setup. I have been flying the dji drones mostly and wanted to make a transition into FPV Drones but did not know how to, I did finally managed to successfully setup a micro fpv drone and get it flying, I did crash a lot lol but I have no regrets as Its a part and parcel with this art. Your videos helped me a lot to trouble shoot and then figure stuff out and finally see it flying. So thank you! Kuch respect! Stay Blessed!!
Woo hoo! I'm getting a protek R25 analog elrs for my birthday! I can't wait to get some cool rates set up and in the air! Hey Joshua. I learnt something today.
Protek35 my first fpv quad and I had a first ever session today. It is a bit “nervous” and very sensitive to controls. Nevertheless, emptied my all5 lipos and I am addicted now! :)
Goto betaflight. And adjust rates. Not sure default. But u can lower to rates to 400 or leave at betaflight default 667 and add expo like 0.25 to make it less sensitive near center of stick when doing slow movements
Tbh i would not lower the rates like that. I would chose a pilot with a flight style i would like, and use his rates .
I am not sure if I should adjust or not. The rates might be completely fine, it is hard to judge with no experience :) I am sure I could get used to them.
The only comparison I have is the DRL simulator, where the quads were way smoother. Maybe a bit more stick movement range would help for cinematic flying...
@@VRMinde instead of adjusting rates, add a little expo to pitch and roll and it'll feel less sensitive but still allow you to get full speed rotations
@@wookiefpv6614 will try :)
The bigger question for me: did u get the GoPro back? 😳💨 I hope 🍀👍👍👍 lovely greetings 🙌
You could see that he didn't loose it in the yard because you could see the shadow of it in the dvr.
@Joshua Bardwell Fairly sure it's under the stairs, after that first disarm (and gap win into crash fail)
Jooooooosh !
If you're not a beginner and thinking about buying this just build a slammed Squirt V2 with FPVCycle 2203/4 on 6S (or similar motor if you can find em). I think all the real advantages from the Protek35 are the 2203.5 motor and short prop guards not the larger prop. Slammed squirt with pancake motors on 6s solves all these issues while still being really tough, easy to work on and a proven system. You could also look at the FPV Cycle Cinesplore with 2203.5(ish) motors.
I think we have 2 question really. The most important one for me is did you find your GoPro?😂
Spot on review. Broke the prop guard of my Protek35 in the first (and so far only) crash despite the foam pads. Happy how it flies though.
Which is better? Original Shendrones Squirt or iFlight Protek35?
Protek35 I think
squirt for jobs. i have 35, flys well but its too fragile.
edit: i commented this before I saw 23:57, I BROKE MINE AT THE SAME SPOT even with the foam!! HAHAHA!!
now im trying to design a 3d printed TPU to cover the whole outer plastic.
@@bendixtrinity would be great if you uploaded it to thingyverse! :)
Squirt or Geyser. The not-really-ducted-ducted cinewhoops are not awesome.
The Squirt is better in every way. There's no comparison. The Protek is bulky and less stable. Both have similar flight times.
Not only do we get an education . we also get a laugh . something we all can use . JB never lets us down .
And NOW I just bought the Protek25 a couple days ago and you make a video on this too! This is actually insane, how are you reading my mind
For what it's worth, protek 25 is my first fpv quad. First flight (indoors), I took a head high crash off the wall to a tile floor with no visible damage. I did have the padding added around the side. I've had a couple other minor crashes outdoors and no damage other than a prop.
I want to give "Props" to iflight. My Protek 35 had issues with losing connectivity on my first 3-4 flights. Since then, it's been solid. Having a blast with it and my new DJI V-2 goggles.
Great information Thank you very much I am a beginner and bought a protek 25 but have not upgraded the software like you suggest. Thank you so much for information before I fly it for the first time.
Very well-produced content, again, Josh. Great work man. Keep it up... FOREVERRRR
If you go to Joshua's yard and found his Gopro, this video is technically a giveaway video
I got the 95x v3 in December and returned it for the Protek25. Best thing I ever did. Better across the board
Really? I'm just so skeptical with it being 75 to 90g heavier.
Feel like I'm either lose power and flight time. Wish I could test flight one.
@@divingfalconfpv4602 Can't even tell with the weight difference. Actually Handles weight better. Handles better, longer flight times, way way less battery sag. Even slightly quieter but that's debatable. Might just be the pitch is less annoying.
I bought protek25 without receiver pnp some people told me that quad flight amazing.
The Protek25 is incredible with no Gopro at all on it. IT's a great little quad to rip some small space freestyle or chase kids. Note how stable the DJI DVR looked in the video.
The 25 must of been flying damn good with the GoPro If you didn't realize it fell off at some point 🤣
*must have
@@warzIbanez colloquially must've *
@@Frindleeguy yeah, I won't argue that, but sadly making a contraction with the word "have" and another word has apparently made people confused on whether they should be using "have" or "of".
@@warzIbanez save with could've.
Also, to too and two. They're there and their.... Honestly this shit is why english is the second hardest language.
Though tough through fought......
LOL! I liked how you chucked the quads without missing a beat. You maintained eye contact and kept your composer. Wonder how many takes that took. LOL, well done.
I think you mean composure, but maybe he has a composer that I don't know about. TN is a major music center, I guess.
@@bluepvp900 you right lol
I used to have a ram just like that. Got t boned guy doing 60 decided his van needed to be in the drivers seat. I walked away with a minor cut on my hand. Loved that truck.
Congrats on 200k subscribers!
I notice nice fixing on the fence going on! looking good Josh!
Thinking you would love the geprc cinelog 25 and 30 as I believe they surpass both of these products.
Thanks Joshua ... again good hints and a detailed video for the whole community :)
You are awesome I am a beginner Fpv and have learned so much from you.
Every time I hear " I'm Joshua Bardwell and you're going to learn something today " I always hit the like button because I do always learn something.......LOL
Seems hard to* find sub 250g BNF quads w/ digital HD systems, I guess that's an issue when you aren't skilled enough to build yet! As a newbie who has spent decent time in a simulator, Ive had a great time flying the Protek25 on just a 4s 850mah for recreation. Managed to come out unscathed after a couple minor crashes doing rolls and powerloops, but I did install the foam padding. You bring up really good points about how the bigger options provide better reliability and more functionality than the Protek series for those wanting to use a GoPro or do heavier acro
New to drones and watched a ton of your videos and can't thank you enough for all of your knowledge and amazing content! Still sooo many questions. Just ordered a protek 35 frame, xing motors and props and a TX12 radio to get started. Still researching what to do for fc and esc.
I think the GoPro is under the stairs in the gravel. You popped up after that crash MUCH more readily than it was flying earlier. I hope you found it.
iflight is killing it. makes the bumblebee, hears customers, makes the protek.
@@sleepingbearffg5008 pretty good deals tho right? I haven't added the prices up myself but it seems like it
@@sleepingbearffg5008 lol in reality though the iflight products are quite well put together and not overpriced at all
@@leazyfpv5521 wdym?
my protek25 has been holding up pretty well as i learn to fly cinewhoops on it. I have smashed a battery with it but so far the frame is doing pretty well
Glad you explained the difference between ducted fans.. and just big ass prop guards great review! As always!
Man yeah thanks for shedding some light on what makes a ciniwhoop good. I see all of these youtubers and videos of people flying ciniwhoops near people, which is something I want to do, and if not for me watching this video, I probably wouldn't have bought a "better" ciniwhoop like the Protek, and instead bought something like the iFlight bumblebee. Thanks!
Awesome flying and review, Joshua! Really nice! 😃
I hope you find the GoPro!!! 😬
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
i did 40 hours of simulator , then i did 5 inch for the summer, i got indoor brushed eachine 65 and brushless mobula 7 . but i got the most packs so far my first year with my 2.5 inch taycan , it looked good to me in the fall and seems like industry it following suit. I JUST GOT DJI V2 in the mail and im upgrading my 2.5 taycan to CADDEX VISTA .
cinewhoop is just more chill to fly in public so you get more opportunity and can fly it around the neighborhood much more casually than 5 inch ripper sessh, even the mobula 7 on 2s was too harsh , its nice to mellow cruise on a nice day. not always tryna yolo freestyle . but there's always a time and a place for that.
17:33 sounds like Air mode is on :) which is a bad idea on a cinewhoop or generally flying in tight spaces! more pilot than quad error ;)
Congrats on 200K subs!!
This brings us to the end of the video. And the question: DID YOU FIND THE GOPRO?
Haha he's to cheap not to have found it
congrats on the 200K!
That extra foam does not protect the durability of the guard at all. I broke my protek35 guard in a light crash with some branches and dirt. But that kwad flyes amazing
damn, same here, I had really light crash and mine also broke, asked iFlight if they plan to maybe change material of those ducts, but unfortunetly they said, no. It would probably work much better out of TPU
Same here, foam didn't help.
@@olekdh sounds like a good opportunity for some entrepreneurial pilot with a 3D printer. They don't look like they'd be too hard to design.
Thanks JB...keep the content coming!
Would you recommend one of these or the Nazgul5 HD as a first freestyle quad for someone that is relatively new and has only flown tiny whoops and wants to upgrade to an HD quad?
With the new Protek 25 pusher out, I was interested in converting the original in to a pusher configuration but can't find any instructions.
Iflight even had a sheet included in the package, but no information on how to, even on their website.
Please help if you have any information how, or can direct me to. Thanks!
I almost cried on the Lost Go Pro part :'( after about 40 mins of searching, I found mine :-)
Could not agree more... whoops are the perfect choice for beginners. I started and quickly lost 3 different quads until I picked up a little beta 85x. Crashed it, severely, numerous times but it always survived. And it was easy to manage even in Acro mode. I bet that I’d give up on the hobby if I didn’t have that 85x (flying 5” monster builds now after only 4 months in:). Great video and one of your most entertaining:) I did not know that original whoops had flared ducts with grooved props. Hmmm... (fires up CAD program)
This is a great (and objective) review. I have the Protek35 and JB's observations and comments are golden. FWIW, iFlight has a new TPC X60 connector available that screws into the top piece/frame. Functionality and a big plus for looks (pic available if requested).
Hi I am thinking to get a protek35 with 6s and crossfire. Is it recommended for indoor and outdoor flying. I would like to take close proximity cinematic shots of bicycles, skaters, small events.
I had a Iflight Beast F7 Beast Aio running a 680gram 2207/1800kv full size freestyle rig with Gopro on 6s. So the F7 H7 I flight Beast Aio are solid for sure
Chasing a downhill biker. Well damn, i'm glad i got myself a 35 yesterday. Excited to be chasing my buddies with this
Thanks for honest review, got protek25 anway couse its just lovely and i want it hangin on the wall of my mancave:-)
I guess you have to be quick on the kill switch. Problem with my Taycan cinewhoop was breaking props, burning motors and even the esc board one time in light crashes. It fell hundreds of feet one time and didnt break anything about the frame so it was tough otherwise. After replacing 4 motors I got rid of it, never thought that would be the problem with a cinewhoop.
I just got a Protek 35, a new pair of DJI goggles and a DJI FPV controller (the first version). Just fyi, the air unit on mine had a 90 degree up board added to the usb port (I had no issues with the FC port) . Mu usb 90 degree thingy didn't work as installed, in fact it didn't fit into the frame and was sitting on a bit of an angle from the factory (ouch!). I ripped it out. To remove 90 degree board I took off the top of the frame and one side of the prop guards. Like an idiot I put the quad back together after I activated the air unit. When it was time to bind the goggles and transmitter I couldn't hit the little button (I'm old, I can't see that little button) so I took off the top again so I could get my hotdog finger in to push the link/bind button. Also in the videos I watched they just show binding the goggles but not the activation. Goggles activation videos showed activation showing up on DJI assistant 2. Will it didn't. Activation did not come up on DJI Assistant 2, just firmware updates. If the goggles are not activated you can not link them to the air unit. I ended up linking the Protek 35 to another pair of goggles that were activated with a DJI FPV quad (I had to fire up the goggles and find in the menu where you switch from DJI FPV quad to DJI air system) then I activated the new goggles with one of my DJI FPV quads and a mobile device. I was running low on time and didn't check if the switch for DJI Air system or DJI FPV quad showed up after activation but it certainly wasn't present before activation. I don't know if downgrading the firmware on the new goggles would have solved the issue. I had zero issues activating and binding the transmitter.
I'm not complaining, this is purely fyi for anyone that purchases the same or a similar setup so they will know what to expect and possibly have a solution.
Thanks, your videos are very detailed. You helped me a lot.
For Easter this Year you should invite a select few participants from your FPV crew and do an Easter egg hunt for lost Gopros and quads on the property 🐰
Also this video has solidified my decision i made a few months ago when I went with the Rotor Riots version of the Shen drones Squirt cinewhoop. I have also crashed it many times and the only time the ducts cracked was when I was flying it outside pretty hard when it was 15 degrees out and crashed into the asphalt. It literally only cracked the foot area that are on the newer style ducts and it was an easy hot glue fix and black electric tape and you can't even tell. I have bashed it up quite a bit and I must say it still even looks brand new. You should never have to replace anything except ducts if you own the rotor riot cinewhoop. Glad I went to R.R. with my money 💰 still...Great video
Fantastic review once again. I'm wondering how noisy it is though.. Maybe you mentioned it and I missed it? All the cinewoops so far have been too noisy to fly close to people without them freaking out and guards or police show up. To my experience and opinion noisy cinewoops are very bad for our reputation.
Quiet kwads without prop guards sound a lot friendlier and people come to me joyful and interested and a party starts where everyone wants to look through my goggles.
Thank you I could not agree more I have multiple 3 inch drones that are so much quieter
My USB broke too!! But mine was the actual one on the board... super upsetting.. I was pretty upset about the quality of that little plug and was not able to set up and configure the quad:( now I need to wait a long time to get another
I fly my protek 25 with a full size GoPro hero 3 black on it battery in and it’s honestly a great flying experience
I have the Protek 25 Analog. I had about 50 flights in and hit a tree. It fell in the street from about 15' up and broke the right prop guard. I replaced it no problem. Then my camera and VTX died. I sent it into the iFlight USA repair center and they replaced the camera and VTX. Today I took it out for the first time since the repair and it flew great; I am not flying with a HD camera. I really like how this drone flies, but I agree with JB that the prop guards are not the most durable.
Can I ask what analog receiver you used and how you connected it? I just bought the 35 and a fly sky receiver and being new to this, I can’t figure out how to connect the flysky receiver to the flight controller.
@@chriswegener3373 I bought mine BNF, so the receiver was already in the drone. I am using the TBS Crossfire that came in it, so I am assuming it is the nano. Usually, the wiring diagrams for iFlight products are available on both iFlight's website and dealers as well. I looked at all of the places I have gotten iFlight wiring diagrams from and none of them had wiring diagrams for the iFlight Protek 25 or 35 PNP. Maybe JB can help you out. Sorry I couldn't help.
I miss your intro video... it was really cool, why are you no longer using it?
nice review, thanks for sharing!
Unbelievable!!! Did you find the GoPro Joshua?
Did you end up finding the go pro before a mower got it? It sounded lighter after the stair crash. I thought "wow, it sounds like the voltage had really sagged and the crash allowed it to recover". As for the ducts, I had no idea ducted quads were so loud since my moblite6 isnt but size helps I'm sure. I just got a Protek 35 and I'm considering printing some prop guards similar to my Flywoo Firefly Nano baby 20s.
I’d just like to add that I fly a session 5 on the protek25 and it performs mostly akin to a 3 inch cine with a full sized hero
when I'm landing, or hand launching or catching as well as trying to squeeze between something like that shelving I switch into my own version of idle up mode with air mode on a 3 way arm switch.
I just got a protek35 analogue as my first ever pre-built new quad and it's ok, but nowhere near as smooth as most of my home-built 5" quads. I think it has potential but really disappointed with it jittery performance for what I'd hoped would be a more cinematic quad. Mine carries a gopro session 5 and wondered if I would need to re-tune to carry it smoothly?
Yep. 17:16 that was a problem I had back in my early FPV development using a toy grade camera drones with tiny brushed motors with 5 inch props indoors. Never mind the VR cell phone goggle lag.
I'm thinking of getting a quad. I had a Tinyhawk and I just never could get the hang of it. I have a DJI Mini2 but I keep crashing it because I am flying it like a cinewhoop. I think I'll get a ciniwhoop because I'm not really a racer but I want to get fast paced cine drone shoots. I'll work on the simulator before I waste money to see if I CAN FLY IT THOUGH
Please do a video with the Protek25 / 35 without the guards w/ 450 mah and 650 mah and even with the guards inverted in the push.
I bet they keep up with even the 5" drones.
Love the way my squirt flies but id love bigger motors on it. Id love to see andy shen make a bottom plate that has larger motor mount pattern
I have the protek35 Since december 2020. Its a realy good cinewhoop
blheli32 on firmware 32_74 hex : You can configure motor pwm frequency to increase with throttle. The benefits of variable pwm frequency are:
Low frequency for low throttle gives good active braking where it is most needed
High frequency for higher throttle makes running smoother
The variable frequency will work as dithering making running even more smooth.
please let us know what do you see and are those applicable for 5inch quad or just for plane RC,,or there is any risk in quad esc setting
which mean now blheli32 can set up 2 pwm frequency in low and high rpm (low 24Khz and High 48Khz)
im your huge fans, i like to watch every video of you in you tube, and after my paycheck i will join and support this channel in patreon..
OMG! I spend many time in a Liftoff race like your home.
tried the 3.5in onto props on my protek35....... so smooth and sounds great too.
I would love to see a Protek25 Pusher version review and a comparsion with the regular Protek25 :D
At 3:32 when you show the Bumble bee , Could they just make a trim ring to snap in or use the screw points to sit just above the prop that would effectivly close the gap between the prop and the duct sidewall and make it more efficient ? Maybe someone has already done that but I was just curious since you stated that even the small gap made it useless as a functioning duct .
I guess any 3" drone could have prop guards added and carry some type of HD cam. So what makes cinewhoops so special? Maybe I missed something...
learned so much! thank you
hello, how are you, greetings, a question, soon you can do the flight test of the proteck 25 with a lithium battery 18650 2500mah 4 armed in parallel
That was helpful. In the middle of building a Squirt as Mr. Shen intended and still glad I am doing that. Can you do one on the Betaflight 95x/85x and maybe how they compare to the Protek's?
Gotta turn off air mode if you plan on doing proximity indoor flights! ;-)
right, i got the drone wrong, but you were trying to help with those who couldnt link? in some video you did?
I'm still practicing on simulator before making my first FPV purchase, and was leaning towards the Bumblebee, when someone suggested the Protek 35.. I think as a beginner the bumblebee will be a much better option as I'm aware I will crash a fair amount
the best explainer ever
As always Joshua, super helpful and thorough, except.... You didn't take us out of suspense!!! Did you manage to find your Gopro 8, or is it still MIA?! I really hope you managed to find it! I had a micro similarity just last Sunday, shooting some gaps in a park, tree branches on my HX115 HD (also beautifully reviewed by you:) ) and had a hard crash into a good ol' Aussie gum tree about 5m (15' up), bent props etc, dusted it off. About halfway through rest of pack when I noticed that my REC wasn't displayed in goggles! Yep, Micro SD had ejected, after having flown 5 packs! D'oh, there goes that footage. Anyway, hope you found it, it tried back tracking through goggle DVR, but a fingernail sized Micro SD is, I dare say even harder than finding a fist sized Gopro. Good luck! Thanks for the dependably helpful content. Cheers!
Got the 35 and broke the USB port off the flight controller the first time I plugged it in! They fixed it and added a retaining clip on the right angle piece.
I have a new cinewhoop idea..
But do like protek35. It's different. 3.5" so more power.. not just another photocopy..
Protek25 I feel is just too heavy. At 200g it's a 95x with full size hero6 (battery delete). Maybe being wider helps idk..
I've flown 95x with full size gopro. Works if going really slow. Flight time 3mins , 3:30 max
Ha JB you covered all my point about the bumblebb i ade on facebook! Spot on lad x
Bob Roogis 2203 motors where designed for cinewhoops originaly. I think he came up with that size
Joshua for the problem of being sucked into the wall wouldn't it be better to reverse the rotation of all four motors?
Inconceivable! Inconceivable!
All jokes aside, thanks for your insight!
Haha... That is a darn cute baby! Ur a good man Josh.
The larger props are quieter? The Protek35 4S screams - it's a lot louder than both the 5" quads my friends fly with me. It's not really fast enough to effectively follow fairly slow drift cars. Looking forward to 5"
...And at 23:15 is when I decided to use the first edition of GoPro Hero.. They are expensive items to loose that easily.
TPU guards for the protek would be awsome!
Hey man. When are you going to review the racewhoop by free zillion. It's a fully 3d printed frame that flys amazing and is practicly unbreakable. Oh and did i mention everybody can print it for free 😉
I'm looking into this option I've had the protek35 for couple months now and not overly excited about it . Its def more an outdoor style quad . And it's terrible in wind . So just fly 5" or transtec beetle hom on Calm days cinewhoop style ( plus it's under 250g rtf , handles wind better than protek 35 ).
Where can i find the files?
And which top and bottom plate should I use?
How original Protek 25 compares against Protek R25 and Protek 25 Pusher? Is there any performance difference or it's basically the same, just with a different design? Are there any components in R25 which are significantly better/newer/more advanced compared to what is used in two previous models (Pusher and original Protek 25)? What do you think?