8:42 "The cultural clock is ticking, Christopher. And it's not going your way anymore". Same sex marriage has just been legalised, Donohue. Your time is over.
+Jimmy James So what you are saying is that you are nothing more than excess meat on a penis? Your fully functional brain (i assume it functions) has no other purpose in life that to manouver the all important penis into the vagina. Human life cannot be boiled down to basic statements like that. Although I suppose that some people must see humans that way. That must be hellish for you living a life where only procreation matters. Open those orbs that nature also gave you and look around you. The world is a beautiful place, the people in it are too. men and women. It's fine to love them all because love is the positive emotion remember. The one where we show good feelings for people and they might return tht good feeling. This is how we spread goodness. Telling people that they were made with the purpose of breeding and spreading is not a good method of making people feel good. people start to feel pressured. Some might not even want to procreate. What if they just arent attracted to women? should they just suck it up and dive in anyway? In the end we dont have a purpose. we werent made for anything in particular. we just happened to happen on this big ball of earth and cant we just make the most of it and spend our own lives living with who we want to live with. What harm does it do to anyone? Is it the worry that if homosexuality takes over the species will die out? Because hey, even if half the male and female population of the planet suddenly upped and flipped sexuality we would still have more than enough to keep the population in the positive. Is it fear of new and exotic diseases? Because again, even if homosexuality were wiped out and aids was eradicated then we would still have thousands of other ailments just as bad and even worse. That's all kinda moot anyway because diseases and viruses also mutate and evolve just like us so at the end of the dayAIds goes, the next one comes on in. Its mortality. It happens in nature. Up is up, down is down. People get ill and people die. At least let them love the people who they feel love for while they are alive I mean its consenting adults who are living their own lives. Or are we really the type of people who would restrict these people when they are causing no harm.
***** "they" don't really practice it? Is that like all of the world's homosexual's wrapped up into one word? "they" prefer it bareback? You're really willing to stand up as the spokesman for all gay people and announce this news? Are you trying to say that all gay people are presupposed to choose pleasure over safety simply because they are gay?
May your wisdom, Christopher, illuminate the minds of those fighting the evil oppression of the righteous by virtue in their conceited ways. The bible is the book of nothing. Preaching slavery is not a kind deed to your human kind. Arise we shall, because you cannot Christopher.
It's amazing how far we have come since then, thanks to Christopher Hitchens. Saying homosexuality is a form of love would just be accepted now I think. Thanks Hitch xxx
Yes, times have changed for the better, we are all evolved creatures of planet earth in all our diversity. I believe love is intrinsic in humans BUT the religious are told to hate fellow humans by a disgustingly sorry book written by disgusting bigoted people.
@@vennylos my brother and his husband are very much in love and very much a part of the gay community which I’m sure annoys you greatly. Also, equating homosexuality to incest is boundlessly ignorant. You’re a horrible person for analogizing that.
"The Catholic Church knows what freedom is. Freedom is the right to know what you aught to do." The self evident hypocracy within this statement is so glaring, it makes me nauseous.
Tim both of you misusing the word nauseous makes me nauseated; however, I agree with Lucas on his statement. Tim I agree with you on one thing; you are in fact nauseous, but that has nothing to do with Lucus' spelling. XD
Thank you! That is a brilliant reply, born out of the obvious truth that people who haven't got the substance (under-standing) to win an argument, simply talk louder and more boldly than their opponent. Seriously now, the Catholic Church is on record as having committed some, if not most, of history's most monstrous acts against human beings. Religion must fall to its inevitable end, and I believe it's quite on its way now. Religion uses fantastical BS to bamboozle people into giving up their power and birthrights. Bye bye religion. Don't let the door hit ya where the photon split ya.
+Jim Notter funny how Donohue mentions his buddy 'denny hastert ' (who's on his way to prison ) as such a laudable Catholic. what a despicable, dirty-assed sack of shit
He's such an amazing man... Brilliant, blunt, charming, sexy, witty, calculating, comical, gracious, forward-thinking, charismatic, commanding... In my eyes, close to intellectual perfection. "God," we miss you, Hitch!
Ted M that means Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris are not good ...since they are still alive... Guess what.. Jesus Christ lived a short life of 33 yrs. That's why he's winning a kingdom which the likes of Hitchens cant demolished... Sorry
What's so great about this clip is that Donohue's statements -- only 20 years later - are so outdated. He'd be thrown off the stage by an audience today if he were debating Hitchens with that nonsense.
Hitchens was as ruthless then as he was up until his end, such a pleasure to listen to. And putting this horrible little man in his place, we miss you, Hitchens.
I really dislike Bill, he is an obnoxious person, he believes that just because he shouts louder he is "more right". All his arguments are childish and filled with hatred. I cannot understand how Hitchens has the patience to debate him.
God punished them just as much as he punished the babies what were born to parents of the "wrong fait." Dammed to hell before they knew what they were learning.
There's an interesting scene from True Detective (don't worry I'm not about to spoil anything), where Marty and Cohle are watching people listen to a preacher, and Cohle says: "Transference of fear and self loathing to an authoritarian vessel. It's Catharsis. He absorbs their dread with his narrative. Because of this, he's effective in proportion to the amount of certainty he can project".
"The Catholic Church speaks about absolutes in a world of relativism".... Quite right. It's sad Donohue thought that statement was a *score* on his part. These people truly inhabit another world.
Why is Donahue respected? I mean, William Lane Craig, I can get; at least he comes off as educated, speaks in a level tone of voice, and does grasp the concepts of debate and logic, even if he chooses not apply them to his faith. This dude...I had to stop. I had to. He's just babbling, committing logical fallacies faster than I can identify them. He's angry, shrill, dictatorial, and clearly trying to rush through his emotional tirade for maximum impact. He has nothing to say and an awful way of saying it.
love you hitch. we all miss you so much. its so nice seeing you way before your time fighting for us after thousands of years of violent discrimination from tyrannical religious people.
"I don't believe that I was created sick and then commanded to be well." That's brilliantly worded and encapsulates my own natural aversion towards religion. If there were a divine creator, why would it create me to be even capable of sin if not for its own ends? R.I.P. Hitch.
RUclips only allows a limit time length and as my title suggests I was mostly interested in the first part of the video!! If your that bothered how's about not being lazy and clicking the link I supplied for the whole debate????
+Ian I dont think that's right. Freedom isnt the right to do what you ought to do. "Freedom is the right to choose what you want to do" (with no outside expectations such as ought or should) Its the bit in brackets that causes problems with the idea of freedom for everyone. There are so many of us that we would almost instantly end up stepping on others toes. As our population grows our freedoms are restricted simply because freedom is finite to us based on both time constraints and space constraints. Then we top the whole situation off by taking what freedom we do have and chopping bits off based on the desires of different generalized sections of society. We vary the postion on what is ok to do and what is not ok to do. It chops and changes from country to state to generation to the sex of those who make the rules. Not only that but we place methods of control on many paths to restrict who can take them. Education is a finacial minefield as is every other bloody thing in modern society. I suppose it really depends on your definition. true freedom which is impossible for us to have due to physical laws and constraints. The freedom which we have right now, which is a type of illusionary freedom or the freedom to shut the f*** up and do what we are told. (and in days long past when the population was considerably lower there was the freedom to just f*** off and find a quiet place to live by yourself how you wanted)
ERM, my point was to say that your statement is not true. Freedom isn't the right to do "what you ought to do". Anyway, " What you ought to do" is an expectation of others/self and not a forced order or something you are being pushed into doing therefore it is not an oxymoron either. The expectation that has been added onto this statement of freedom doesn't create any type of paradox
Freedom is the right to do what you're told to do. Yep. Bam. That's just, whoo! If I flip open the dictionary to freedom that's exactly what it's gonna say. Word for word. WORD. FOR. WORD. *slams head into table*
Angry rhetoric like this (as opposed to hitchens) is never gonna move us on. What a mess it would be if we allowed this kind of leadership to help us "progress".
As both a gay man and as an avid studier and believer in Scriptures from all over the world, from Taoist Scriptures to Gnostic Scriptures, I must say that I appreciate Christopher Hithcens as a voice of calm reason. I am glad that he existed, and I genuinely admire his outspoken frankness.
+Poseidon63 nothing wrong with the bible old boy. It's a bloddy good read. A nice fairy tale about a land with magic and wars and armies. Thrilling I tell you... Although, maybe there was a bit too much flowery language. So many people begatting or begetting. And yeah, it gets kinda flaky towards the end. What starts off as a nice story about a bored old fella who made some toys to entertain himself ends up being akind of twisted horror by the end when he makes two massive armies and smashes them together in mayhem. And I bet the story had a btter ending if they hadnt kept messing around and rewritting it, adding bits in and taking them out. Oh yeah, dont knock the Bible. It's worth a read. I will however suggest that the use to which the Bible has been put over the years has been truly horrendous. Not to mention all the other wonderful tales that have been taken up by these organizations (I dont like calling them religions. it feels like im calling a wolf a sheep)
Poseidon63 no probs buddy. I'll be honest with you but im glad it even makes sense if i'm honest seeing as it's 3AM and I've been up for well over 24 hours now in a bit of a mania watching Hitchens and Dawkins dismiss idiots crazy ideas in ever more eloquent and often heated tirades.
For those of you who want the last two minutes of Hitchens' closing argument: ruclips.net/video/o-mEJutoL58/видео.htmlh8m12s Please upvote if you found it helpful.
How funny that Donohue invokes the faith of Dennie Hastert at a forum against homosexuality Hastert who set up his chair in the boys shower room so he could ogle his wrestlers and then later bugger them in his office. The irony is deep.
I've heard about this guy before, but only in these past couple of months have I really started to look at what he says. He's quickly becoming an idol of mine, for sure. I only hope that I can live up to even a quarter of this man's greatness. I hope he found peace in his final days.
Paul spoke of the way Christians should conduct themselves when discussing doctrine. I opened my Bible to find a verse I recalled and saw instead another verse. This was a complete coincidence. The first line I saw was in Paul's letter to Titus. It said, "To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, showing all meekness unto all men." What I was looking for was James 3:13-18 "Who is a wise man...? Let him show out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom...The wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated [pled for], full of mercy...the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace." Donohue is an embarrassment to Catholicism and wholly alien to the doctrine of Christianity.
Mike Erik What is more emblematic of that contradiction than the jewel-encrusted crucifix. The Pope (i.e. Papa, Father) moves in the public spaces with a garish entourage of fawning ambitious cardinals, hailed as he is conveyed from throne to throne, where men kneel to kiss his ring. While the words of Jesus remain in Matthew 23, "But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments. And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues, and greetings in the markets..." Jesus added, "And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven."
The link to the full debate is sadly no longer working. Hitchens was magnificent, he took debate and made it a passionate art form. A true genius, of the likes is greatly needed today to help stop the de-evolution of intelligence we currently see. I don't hero worship people but I come very close to doing so with Hitchens.
*THE MISUSE OF THE WORD BIGOT* The misuse of the word "bigot" never ceases to amaze me. There was a time when being a bigot meant someone who believed no one had a right to hold to an opinion unless it was in agreement with their own. Today people misuse it to mean ANYONE who disagrees with them is a bigot. Bigotry does not mean "to disagree". It means believing "you have no RIGHT to disagree." "Tolerance" does NOT infer agreement. As a Christian I disagree with homosexuality but I believe they have every right to believe in homosexuality. This does NOT make me a bigot. If it does then anyone who disagrees with polygamy , bestiality , incest is ALSO a BIGOT. It seems many in the pro gay side use the word "bigot" not to emphasize a truth but to shut up and silence any criticism. A strategy radical liberals and the pro gay lobby are well known for. The IRONY here of course is that many of the true bigots are those that INSIST that I have no *RIGHT* to believe homosexuality is wrong !
"The cultural clock is ticking and its not going your way!" Can we use this as the intro to any public appearance by Bill. Especially when a new country or US state legitimises gay rights.
I remember being told around the age of nine that AIDS was a punishment for sin. I didn't know much about the disease other than it being fatal. I was unaware that thousands of people were dying every day in Africa, many of whom were children, and I imagine so was he. I heard similar remarks about Katrina as well, by that time I was old enough to call people out on their BS.
I believe that homosexual acts are immoral myself, but jeering someone like that for believing otherwise is unacceptable (same goes for people who jeer people for holding my position). People who do that kind of crap need to be kicked out so civilized debate can continue.
Christoper, you are a moron. You have opinions based on nothing more than your own prejudices. You are unaware and ignorant of science. And self satisfied with your empty head.
+Christopher Johnson Homosexuality is natural and common among mammals. It is probably just nature's way of controlling population growth and should be acceptable in all civilised societies. I am 100% heterosexual so I don't have an axe to grind here and I have friends of both sexes that are gay and not being a Christian I treat them with exactly the same respect as heterosexuals. Those who believe it is immoral seem to think that one's sexuality is a choice and not something that is instinctive. I certainly didn't choose to be heterosexual because when I reached puberty I just started to fancy women big time so logically it must be the same for gay people. I read and hear media reports of gay people suffering extremely violent physical attacks and it doesn't help when religious groups call being gay immoral and perverted. In Leviticus, God calls for gay people to be put to death, oh and by the way, thou shalt not kill! Just one of the many bible contradictions I have come across.
Poofax56 If you are going to accept evolution (as I do too), you will have to believe that ALL human behavior, at least all human behavior intrinsic to us (pride, anger, even things like rape), has some kind of evolutionary reason to be here. That does not mean they are morally acceptable however. Same thing with homosexuality occurring in other species- just because other species practice something doesn't make it moral.
Wow. Donahue lifts up not only Catholic priests, but also DENNY HASTERT as moral models. He even pointed out that HASTERT WAS A WRESTLING COACH. This is what being on the wrong side of history looks like.
To believe in something INVISABLE is an act of unintelligence, blind and illogical, why do we call people who believe in something INVISABLE, as believers???? When in reality they are incredibly unintelligent, instead we should call them the unintelligents, or the incredibly stupid......
In this debate, if you find the rest of it, Donohue says the media hates religion. Then, here, he says they all love Mother Theresa because she's holy.
Man! Hitchens absolutely nails it every,single time. Why? Because he reads! he researches, he finds out 'facts' and no1 can argue with 'facts'. THAT is why C.Hitchens was sooooo a forminable adversary. Such a shame he passed away soooo soon cuz.. this world needs more like C.Hitchens not less!!
Hahaha. Dennis Hastert. Sweet irony. It could have only gotten better if he mentioned Senator Larry Craig and Pastor Ted Haggard as champions against deviant sexual appetite.
I take a pride and pleasure in the fact that secular rationalists tend to speak in measured tones yet the religious tend to be mired in lies, phlegm and volume over substance.
Regarding Bill Donohue's triumphant assertion that the tide is turning his way........I wonder if the result of the Irish referendum is biting him on the ass?
Bill reminds me of that New Jersey priest from Dogma. Selling God like you'd sell a car... "And in the name of the Father, the Son and the holy Spirit Badda-bing Badda-boom you may go in peace Amen" lol.
8:42 "The cultural clock is ticking, Christopher. And it's not going your way anymore".
Same sex marriage has just been legalised, Donohue. Your time is over.
+Jimmy James So what you are saying is that you are nothing more than excess meat on a penis? Your fully functional brain (i assume it functions) has no other purpose in life that to manouver the all important penis into the vagina. Human life cannot be boiled down to basic statements like that. Although I suppose that some people must see humans that way. That must be hellish for you living a life where only procreation matters. Open those orbs that nature also gave you and look around you. The world is a beautiful place, the people in it are too. men and women. It's fine to love them all because love is the positive emotion remember. The one where we show good feelings for people and they might return tht good feeling. This is how we spread goodness. Telling people that they were made with the purpose of breeding and spreading is not a good method of making people feel good. people start to feel pressured. Some might not even want to procreate. What if they just arent attracted to women? should they just suck it up and dive in anyway?
In the end we dont have a purpose. we werent made for anything in particular. we just happened to happen on this big ball of earth and cant we just make the most of it and spend our own lives living with who we want to live with. What harm does it do to anyone? Is it the worry that if homosexuality takes over the species will die out? Because hey, even if half the male and female population of the planet suddenly upped and flipped sexuality we would still have more than enough to keep the population in the positive. Is it fear of new and exotic diseases? Because again, even if homosexuality were wiped out and aids was eradicated then we would still have thousands of other ailments just as bad and even worse. That's all kinda moot anyway because diseases and viruses also mutate and evolve just like us so at the end of the dayAIds goes, the next one comes on in. Its mortality. It happens in nature. Up is up, down is down. People get ill and people die. At least let them love the people who they feel love for while they are alive I mean its consenting adults who are living their own lives. Or are we really the type of people who would restrict these people when they are causing no harm.
***** "they" don't really practice it? Is that like all of the world's homosexual's wrapped up into one word?
"they" prefer it bareback? You're really willing to stand up as the spokesman for all gay people and announce this news? Are you trying to say that all gay people are presupposed to choose pleasure over safety simply because they are gay?
I love how this debate is still going on, some 9 months later.
Same sex marriage is still legal. You can either accept it, or not.
You're just a simple minded bigot. And btw, you LOST!
Sorry mate, Nethelands, Belgium then NewZealand.
REST IN PEACE, Christopher Hitchens - One of the greatest men to ever walk this planet.
He's not resting. He's dead. He'd be the first to tell you. But he's dead.
lol right. well i change my statement,
DECOMPOSE IN PEACE, Christopher Hitchens. My your nutrients feed many plants and organisms!
michael white nope. he gave his body to medical science ;)
kernel w May whichever parts of you is left after they are done with it, decompose in peace.
May your wisdom, Christopher, illuminate the minds of those fighting the evil oppression of the righteous by virtue in their conceited ways. The bible is the book of nothing. Preaching slavery is not a kind deed to your human kind. Arise we shall, because you cannot Christopher.
I wish the rest of humanity would have the courage and intelligence of Christopher .
+Karl Lansche That would be very nice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
+Karl Lansche intelligent people dont kill them selves
+Karl Lansche Same. I miss this guy.
+Karl Lansche If they did, we wouldn't need people like him
+Karl Lansche Hitchens was a once in a century intellect. Another may not come along in our lifetime.
It's amazing how far we have come since then, thanks to Christopher Hitchens. Saying homosexuality is a form of love would just be accepted now I think. Thanks Hitch xxx
Yes, times have changed for the better, we are all evolved creatures of planet earth in all our diversity. I believe love is intrinsic in humans BUT the religious are told to hate fellow humans by a disgustingly sorry book written by disgusting bigoted people.
Ha! You obviously have spent no time in the gay community to say such a thing. And a guy banging his daughter...is that love too?
vennie brice
you don't think gay men are capable of loving one another?
ijobrien3 You should have stopped at the first 3 words
@@vennylos my brother and his husband are very much in love and very much a part of the gay community which I’m sure annoys you greatly. Also, equating homosexuality to incest is boundlessly ignorant. You’re a horrible person for analogizing that.
"The Catholic Church knows what freedom is. Freedom is the right to know what you aught to do."
The self evident hypocracy within this statement is so glaring, it makes me nauseous.
Tim both of you misusing the word nauseous makes me nauseated; however, I agree with Lucas on his statement. Tim I agree with you on one thing; you are in fact nauseous, but that has nothing to do with Lucus' spelling. XD
Who needs a doctor when your Catholic priest can check your prostate for free
+Sbt 2013 Because that particular service is only for those under the age of 12.
+R369B lol
+R369B top kek
*Dying PacMan sound*
LOL
You know you've lost the debate when you have to shout whilst your opponent simply talks.
"It's a form of love." What a brave, integral man. I ask you, what kind of god would take Hitchens and leave us Donohue?
Typical Catholic posturing - 'We'll shout our opinions to make up for it's lack of substance'
Thank you! That is a brilliant reply, born out of the obvious truth that people who haven't got the substance (under-standing) to win an argument, simply talk louder and more boldly than their opponent. Seriously now, the Catholic Church is on record as having committed some, if not most, of history's most monstrous acts against human beings. Religion must fall to its inevitable end, and I believe it's quite on its way now. Religion uses fantastical BS to bamboozle people into giving up their power and birthrights. Bye bye religion. Don't let the door hit ya where the photon split ya.
+Jim Notter funny how Donohue mentions his buddy 'denny hastert ' (who's on his way to prison ) as such a laudable Catholic. what a despicable, dirty-assed sack of shit
He's such an amazing man... Brilliant, blunt, charming, sexy, witty, calculating, comical, gracious, forward-thinking, charismatic, commanding... In my eyes, close to intellectual perfection. "God," we miss you, Hitch!
"The good die young... " That's why this Donahue continue to live...
twat
Ted M that means Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris are not good ...since they are still alive... Guess what.. Jesus Christ lived a short life of 33 yrs. That's why he's winning a kingdom which the likes of Hitchens cant demolished... Sorry
Sounds like a “religious” fanatic
@@sawmachhakchhuak685 Christianity is finished. It'll be a minority in 100 years.
Christopher calmly talks sense.
Bill shouts poisonous unsubstantiated poisonous shite.
Dayummm Hitchens looks like a badass even when he's sitting in silence.
Hitch was a brilliant star in our world.
I love how this is categorized as comedy. Finally, someone categorizes religion properly
The irony here of course is that Hitchens is a Jew.
@@cognitivedissonance4413 that isn't true in the slightest???
@@laogai6292 ruclips.net/video/1nfbp4DPcfQ/видео.html
@@cognitivedissonance4413 doesnt mean thats how he identifies
what a bigot bill is, you can see christopher's look of contempt when the camera is filmed on him.
What's so great about this clip is that Donohue's statements -- only 20 years later - are so outdated. He'd be thrown off the stage by an audience today if he were debating Hitchens with that nonsense.
Fortunately Hitch wrote and said so many things that even though he doesn't exist anymore, I can still discover more to like about him.
Hitchens was as ruthless then as he was up until his end, such a pleasure to listen to. And putting this horrible little man in his place, we miss you, Hitchens.
9:00
Mediator: "Mr Hitchens, you will have six minutes for you closing statement."
Me: "Go on Hitchens! FINISH HIM!!!"
Telling Hitch to finish him, is like saying the empire state building falling on you will hurt.
lol
Hitchens was so way ahead of his time it's eery. Would have loved to have heard his thoughts on current affairs 2016.
Damn the gall to not only face an entire crowd laughing at you, but to confidently re assert your position and tell the crowd he feels sorry for them
I would NOT wanna speak after Hitch
It would be the same as performing comedy after Robin Williams
Gabriel Mahound *Hitch
God I love Hitch even more now! Thanks for uploading.
I really dislike Bill, he is an obnoxious person, he believes that just because he shouts louder he is "more right". All his arguments are childish and filled with hatred.
I cannot understand how Hitchens has the patience to debate him.
Has Hitch ever lost an argument?
Not that I know of since he was a man of facts. He'd had people disagree with him, I don't think anyone outright said he was completely wrong.
+Zenith Wills Cenk Uyger (Fat brown buffalo)
EnragedGamers You have the video?
+EnragedGamers lol lost to cenk? he loses to himself, when he starts speaking.
Right?
But the babies that got AiDS and died were wholy innocent. Was god punishing them for having parents who had lots of sex?
God punished them just as much as he punished the babies what were born to parents of the "wrong fait." Dammed to hell before they knew what they were learning.
***** Says best regards as to make it seem like his childish insult is not a childish insult. Embarrassing
0:04 - people laughed. Can you believe that? Hitch's response was just what they deserved.
Why do preachers always shout? Do they think it adds weight to their argument?
There's an interesting scene from True Detective (don't worry I'm not about to spoil anything), where Marty and Cohle are watching people listen to a preacher, and Cohle says: "Transference of fear and self loathing to an authoritarian vessel. It's Catharsis. He absorbs their dread with his narrative. Because of this, he's effective in proportion to the amount of certainty he can project".
The tactic of the stupid person.
"The Catholic Church speaks about absolutes in a world of relativism".... Quite right. It's sad Donohue thought that statement was a *score* on his part. These people truly inhabit another world.
Why is Donahue respected? I mean, William Lane Craig, I can get; at least he comes off as educated, speaks in a level tone of voice, and does grasp the concepts of debate and logic, even if he chooses not apply them to his faith. This dude...I had to stop. I had to. He's just babbling, committing logical fallacies faster than I can identify them. He's angry, shrill, dictatorial, and clearly trying to rush through his emotional tirade for maximum impact. He has nothing to say and an awful way of saying it.
He's a thug.
You are wrong on everything you just stated.
***** You also are wrong...and why don't you make me shut up.
***** Yep...wrong again...you are not worth debating.
***** Make sure mommy puts the Johnson's baby powder on your boo boo before she fastens your diaper so you won't get that dreadful rash again.
love you hitch. we all miss you so much. its so nice seeing you way before your time fighting for us after thousands of years of violent discrimination from tyrannical religious people.
I miss him so much. We need him now more than ever.
"I don't believe that I was created sick and then commanded to be well."
That's brilliantly worded and encapsulates my own natural aversion towards religion. If there were a divine creator, why would it create me to be even capable of sin if not for its own ends? R.I.P. Hitch.
Donahue name dropped Dennys Hastert! ahahahahahaha!!!!!
That caught my ear too. He emphatically mentioned his name
I love the beginning of this 😂
Eternal memory, Mr. Hitchens.
At around 8:00 he's bragging about the supposed achievements of the catholic league, which seem to consist solely of censorship.
Love his summary of twisted doctrine! "I do not believe that I was created sick and commanded to be well".
What is the point in making a video with the end missing?
RUclips only allows a limit time length and as my title suggests I was mostly interested in the first part of the video!!
If your that bothered how's about not being lazy and clicking the link I supplied for the whole debate????
Paul Gee substance
DNA Electronics The full video is unavilable at that link
+Paul Gee
I think Bill Oh Oh'Donahue wanted to hug Hitchens in the end but asked this bit to be edited out.
+ran drolleen
Full debate Link fixed
15 seconds in and Hitchens already wrecked the haters in the room!
Rest in peace Christopher. You were a great man
the first 3 minutes are a fucking knockout
Freedom is the right to do what you "ought to" do? That's perverse
What a level-headed, smart man. He doesn't even speak about morality, it's more about logic and reason.
Wow this Bill guy is truly insane
5:41 "the freedom is the right to do what you ought to do" - I can't remember last time I've heard a statement as revolting as that one.
5:36 Catholic church loses. Only a Sith deals in absolutes...
+Hit “Restart” Now Of course, that is an absolute statement.
I love how Bill Donahue praises Dennis Hastert.
Classic Hitchslap 1:50
'Freedom is the right to do what you ought to do' An oxymoron if I've heard one
"Of course we have free will. We have no choice but to have it."
-Christopher Hitchens paraphrasing Isaac Bashevis Singer
+Ian I dont think that's right. Freedom isnt the right to do what you ought to do. "Freedom is the right to choose what you want to do" (with no outside expectations such as ought or should) Its the bit in brackets that causes problems with the idea of freedom for everyone. There are so many of us that we would almost instantly end up stepping on others toes. As our population grows our freedoms are restricted simply because freedom is finite to us based on both time constraints and space constraints. Then we top the whole situation off by taking what freedom we do have and chopping bits off based on the desires of different generalized sections of society. We vary the postion on what is ok to do and what is not ok to do. It chops and changes from country to state to generation to the sex of those who make the rules. Not only that but we place methods of control on many paths to restrict who can take them. Education is a finacial minefield as is every other bloody thing in modern society.
I suppose it really depends on your definition. true freedom which is impossible for us to have due to physical laws and constraints. The freedom which we have right now, which is a type of illusionary freedom or the freedom to shut the f*** up and do what we are told. (and in days long past when the population was considerably lower there was the freedom to just f*** off and find a quiet place to live by yourself how you wanted)
+Bob Leonheart Well yes that was my point. I said that statement was an oxymoron
ERM, my point was to say that your statement is not true. Freedom isn't the right to do "what you ought to do". Anyway, " What you ought to do" is an expectation of others/self and not a forced order or something you are being pushed into doing therefore it is not an oxymoron either. The expectation that has been added onto this statement of freedom doesn't create any type of paradox
+Bob Leonheart What a boring man you must be
The link under the video doesn't work anymore, I found another version: ruclips.net/video/eQpFTTfs8TI/видео.html
I miss this man.
Donohue displays all the love, warmth and Christian compassion of a rattlesnake.😖
Freedom is the right to do what you're told to do. Yep. Bam. That's just, whoo! If I flip open the dictionary to freedom that's exactly what it's gonna say. Word for word. WORD. FOR. WORD.
*slams head into table*
"If you can't live with it, I think you're the poorer" is the most British put down of all time.
Adam Burton yeah!
Bill O'Reilly. Sean Hannity. Bill Donohue; As a fairly open minded Irish guy I really hope that these are all Swedish names.
Irish names but they are purely American.
Angry rhetoric like this (as opposed to hitchens) is never gonna move us on. What a mess it would be if we allowed this kind of leadership to help us "progress".
wow...bill donohue came straight from the middle ages to tell us this nonsense :D
"Freedom is the right to do what you ought to do"??? What the hell? This is spitting on any logic thought anybody ever had....
@alison adams You do know that those 'Christian' holidays were adopted from Pagan holidays right?
Then the Easter bunny wasnt created by god?
As both a gay man and as an avid studier and believer in Scriptures from all over the world, from Taoist Scriptures to Gnostic Scriptures, I must say that I appreciate Christopher Hithcens as a voice of calm reason. I am glad that he existed, and I genuinely admire his outspoken frankness.
As soon as Bill Donohue started talking I felt an uncontrollable urge to vomit.
This is just unbelievable how much power a man can hold. Not for himself, but for the truth he believes in.
What year was this?
2000
Bill Donohue is the 21st century's chief inquisitor for The Catholic Church. Torquemada would be very proud of Bill Donohue.
God, the longest game of hide and seek the world has ever seen, and he's never been found yet.
The bible, the most immoral book ever written.
+Poseidon63 nothing wrong with the bible old boy. It's a bloddy good read. A nice fairy tale about a land with magic and wars and armies. Thrilling I tell you... Although, maybe there was a bit too much flowery language. So many people begatting or begetting. And yeah, it gets kinda flaky towards the end. What starts off as a nice story about a bored old fella who made some toys to entertain himself ends up being akind of twisted horror by the end when he makes two massive armies and smashes them together in mayhem. And I bet the story had a btter ending if they hadnt kept messing around and rewritting it, adding bits in and taking them out.
Oh yeah, dont knock the Bible. It's worth a read. I will however suggest that the use to which the Bible has been put over the years has been truly horrendous. Not to mention all the other wonderful tales that have been taken up by these organizations (I dont like calling them religions. it feels like im calling a wolf a sheep)
Bob Leonheart
Brilliant post, thanks.
Poseidon63
no probs buddy. I'll be honest with you but im glad it even makes sense if i'm honest seeing as it's 3AM and I've been up for well over 24 hours now in a bit of a mania watching Hitchens and Dawkins dismiss idiots crazy ideas in ever more eloquent and often heated tirades.
Bob Leonheart
It's 3 am here in the UK as well where are you.
yeah, I'm Scottish.
For those of you who want the last two minutes of Hitchens' closing argument: ruclips.net/video/o-mEJutoL58/видео.htmlh8m12s
Please upvote if you found it helpful.
I love this guy
The world has lost a great intellectual, you are missed Mr. Hitchens.
How funny that Donohue invokes the faith of Dennie Hastert at a forum against homosexuality Hastert who set up his chair in the boys shower room so he could ogle his wrestlers and then later bugger them in his office. The irony is deep.
www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/04/27/ex-speaker-dennis-hastert-faces-sentencing-chicago/83584440/
Shit like that makes my head hurt, holy fuck, what's wrong with that Donohue guy?
The cultural clock is ticking, Donohue, and it is going our way.
Thanks, bye.
I've heard about this guy before, but only in these past couple of months have I really started to look at what he says. He's quickly becoming an idol of mine, for sure. I only hope that I can live up to even a quarter of this man's greatness. I hope he found peace in his final days.
Paul spoke of the way Christians should conduct themselves when discussing doctrine. I opened my Bible to find a verse I recalled and saw instead another verse. This was a complete coincidence. The first line I saw was in Paul's letter to Titus.
It said, "To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, showing all meekness unto all men."
What I was looking for was James 3:13-18 "Who is a wise man...? Let him show out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom...The wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated [pled for], full of mercy...the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace."
Donohue is an embarrassment to Catholicism and wholly alien to the doctrine of Christianity.
Catholicism is very self contradictory, so one can justify just about any behavior.
Mike Erik What is more emblematic of that contradiction than the jewel-encrusted crucifix.
The Pope (i.e. Papa, Father) moves in the public spaces with a garish entourage of fawning ambitious cardinals, hailed as he is conveyed from throne to throne, where men kneel to kiss his ring.
While the words of Jesus remain in Matthew 23, "But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments. And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues, and greetings in the markets..."
Jesus added, "And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven."
Christianity is an embarrassment to humanity.
The link to the full debate is sadly no longer working. Hitchens was magnificent, he took debate and made it a passionate art form. A true genius, of the likes is greatly needed today to help stop the de-evolution of intelligence we currently see. I don't hero worship people but I come very close to doing so with Hitchens.
Well done Mr Hitchens. Mr Donahue is sadly as far from divinity as it is logically possible to be, even as he proclaims to speak for it.
I have spent hours listening to Hitchens, but I just realized that I love to watch him listen as well.
*THE MISUSE OF THE WORD BIGOT*
The misuse of the word "bigot" never ceases to amaze me. There was a time when being a bigot meant someone who believed no one had a right to hold to an opinion unless it was in agreement with their own.
Today people misuse it to mean ANYONE who disagrees with them is a bigot. Bigotry does not mean "to disagree". It means believing "you have no RIGHT to disagree."
"Tolerance" does NOT infer agreement.
As a Christian I disagree with homosexuality but I believe they have every right to believe in homosexuality. This does NOT make me a bigot. If it does then anyone who disagrees with polygamy , bestiality , incest is ALSO a BIGOT.
It seems many in the pro gay side use the word "bigot" not to emphasize a truth but to shut up and silence any criticism. A strategy radical liberals and the pro gay lobby are well known for.
The IRONY here of course is that many of the true bigots are those that INSIST that I have no *RIGHT* to believe homosexuality is wrong !
+BloodOfYeshuaMessiah I see, so ur just an ass.
Jon Smith
Thanks for making my point !
BloodOfYeshuaMessiah Ur point had nothing to do with me thinking u are an ass. I think it is u that is misusing the word bigot, b/cu are one.
Jon Smith
In your liberal word - NOBODY is allowed to disagree with you.
Thank you again for so vividly making my point !
BloodOfYeshuaMessiah No, u can disagree. Im going to call u an ass for it though, then u will tell me I cannot say that.
"The cultural clock is ticking and its not going your way!" Can we use this as the intro to any public appearance by Bill. Especially when a new country or US state legitimises gay rights.
Did I miss something? When was God against abortion?
Isaac Foster Of course! God was peaceful and NEVER killed anyone in the Bible
except infidels
rtel123 Well duh he's an all loving god
I remember being told around the age of nine that AIDS was a punishment for sin. I didn't know much about the disease other than it being fatal. I was unaware that thousands of people were dying every day in Africa, many of whom were children, and I imagine so was he. I heard similar remarks about Katrina as well, by that time I was old enough to call people out on their BS.
bill ur scary I think you would kill if told to ...
Extra irony in Donohue mentioning Hastert, given the revelations of his conduct with kids.
I believe that homosexual acts are immoral myself, but jeering someone like that for believing otherwise is unacceptable (same goes for people who jeer people for holding my position). People who do that kind of crap need to be kicked out so civilized debate can continue.
Christoper, you are a moron. You have opinions based on nothing more than your own prejudices. You are unaware and ignorant of science. And self satisfied with your empty head.
Roy Chefets Geez, do you know a damn thing about me that would support that conclusion?
+Christopher Johnson
Homosexuality is natural and common among mammals. It is probably just nature's way of controlling population growth and should be acceptable in all civilised societies. I am 100% heterosexual so I don't have an axe to grind here and I have friends of both sexes that are gay and not being a Christian I treat them with exactly the same respect as heterosexuals. Those who believe it is immoral seem to think that one's sexuality is a choice and not something that is instinctive. I certainly didn't choose to be heterosexual because when I reached puberty I just started to fancy women big time so logically it must be the same for gay people. I read and hear media reports of gay people suffering extremely violent physical attacks and it doesn't help when religious groups call being gay immoral and perverted. In Leviticus, God calls for gay people to be put to death, oh and by the way, thou shalt not kill! Just one of the many bible contradictions I have come across.
Poofax56 If you are going to accept evolution (as I do too), you will have to believe that ALL human behavior, at least all human behavior intrinsic to us (pride, anger, even things like rape), has some kind of evolutionary reason to be here. That does not mean they are morally acceptable however. Same thing with homosexuality occurring in other species- just because other species practice something doesn't make it moral.
I will jeer you for being intolerant, tolerance is NOT tolerating intolerance.
If you gave this fool, Donohue, an enema, you could bury him in a matchbox.
what a fucking legend ...the world is poorer without him......
Wow. Donahue lifts up not only Catholic priests, but also DENNY HASTERT as moral models. He even pointed out that HASTERT WAS A WRESTLING COACH. This is what being on the wrong side of history looks like.
Glad someone else noticed this.
To believe in something INVISABLE is an act of unintelligence, blind and illogical, why do we call people who believe in something INVISABLE, as believers???? When in reality they are incredibly unintelligent, instead we should call them the unintelligents, or the incredibly stupid......
I can't believe people used to think this way, I mean i know not everyone is ok with homosexuals yet but this is something else
In this debate, if you find the rest of it, Donohue says the media hates religion. Then, here, he says they all love Mother Theresa because she's holy.
Mother Theresa was a freaking monster.
Man! Hitchens absolutely nails it every,single time. Why? Because he reads! he researches, he finds out 'facts' and no1 can argue with 'facts'. THAT is why C.Hitchens was sooooo a forminable adversary. Such a shame he passed away soooo soon cuz.. this world needs more like C.Hitchens not less!!
Imagine a Catholic calling anyone a bigot.
Hahaha. Dennis Hastert. Sweet irony. It could have only gotten better if he mentioned Senator Larry Craig and Pastor Ted Haggard as champions against deviant sexual appetite.
I miss you Christopher. I miss you so much.
I take a pride and pleasure in the fact that secular rationalists tend to speak in measured tones yet the religious tend to be mired in lies, phlegm and volume over substance.
Regarding Bill Donohue's triumphant assertion that the tide is turning his way........I wonder if the result of the Irish referendum is biting him on the ass?
tony bennett LOL , wasn't that a fabulous day? LOL I bet Donahue's face was beet red that day.
The first reaction of the audience is shocking to me, and I'm not gay. What year was this??
A profound beauty! Quite an objective, and eloquent, thinker!
Bill reminds me of that New Jersey priest from Dogma. Selling God like you'd sell a car... "And in the name of the Father, the Son and the holy Spirit Badda-bing Badda-boom you may go in peace Amen" lol.