Everything You Ever Wanted To Know About JBA Shorty Headers For Your 5.7L HEMI
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- Опубликовано: 29 ноя 2016
- A complete overview of why I chose JBA shorty headers instead of long tube headers, my impression of their quality, installation tips and suggested tools you want to have, and my advise to anyone that is in the market for headers for their 5.7L HEMI.
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thanks so much for this review. I've been looking for a solid review like this for shorty headers.
That's awesome, glad it helped!
JBA Ceramic Coated headers are very good! I installed a set on my 2003 Ford 4wd Explorer way back in 2006. I used copper silicone sealer on the header gasket, ball flange, and the bolts. The under hood temperatures are much cooler. And when fully warmed up. Most people think the engine is still cold. Fuel economy with E-85 improved from a 30% loss over gasoline, to 5-10%. The other mods are an Accel super Coil, spiral wound spark plug wires, K&N Air Filter, Flowmaster 70 Series muffler, and run Mobil 1 oil. Passes California smog every year required. The Explorer now has 228k miles, and is my secondary use vehicle. A 2016 Ram 1500 Quadcab 4wd is my current primary driven vehicle.
If your vehicle will take a Ceramic Coated Header Set. Install it for the best performance.
I used a JBA cat -back exhaust also along with midpipes/cats & header
thanks. ive been thinking about shorties for my hemi ram. good insight
Jeffrey Bell glad it helped!
Great video. Very informative without all the fluff. I'm currently dealing with the "which header" dilemma for my 2015 R/T.
RT-G2 thanks and good luck wit your decision.
Not steering you in any direction but I bought kooks long tubes for my 14 RT
Some good info man - I keep flip flopping between shorty & long tube. Great video!
So do you think that your shorty headers gave a definite sound increase?
Nice I'm thinking about getting the long tube headers on my Magnum V6
thx for the honest feed back good review
Thanks, and you're welcome!
Installed these same headers on my 05 300, never noticed much of a difference but after hearing this I might get the mid pipes, and a tune after a cam install
The tune is essential for headers. And a cam will make a huge difference.
Thank you for a great honest video! Presume your Predator has the new Crom file? Mine has the older crom file and had them turned off for years with MDS disabled. Best mod by far that I’ve done on my 06 Chrysler 300c was change out the diff from 2.82 to 3.06 from SRT8 and upgraded the axles from a 2010 Challenger R/T but had to change the hubs and changed the rear diff cover with one from a Mercedes SLK55 AMG so I could install a AMG diff cooler. Oh and wired up paddle shifters from a S63 AMG. May I suggest you to change your motor mounts to Challenger 6spd mounts? I went through 3 sets of standard mounts within a year and haven’t had to replace them since changing them to 6spd mounts and has been approx 4-5 years since. My 5.7 kills 6.1 SRT8’s off the line and puts a smile on my face everytime I drive it.
Thank you. Yes I’ve updated my Predator but I got a custom email tune to get the rear O2 sensors turned off. And since have had the MDS turned off as well. Upgrading the rear was one of the best mods I did too. It was a pain and I’m still working through a very slight vibration issue, but the increase in performance off the line is awesome. I went from an open 2.65 to 3.23 with limited slip. Huge difference. I haven’t had issues with my motor mounts thankfully but I know the Challenger 6spd mounts are a popular choice. And I’m jealous of your paddle shifters. That’s one mod I’ve always wanted but haven’t got around to doing. Were they hard to install?
Hey man what y pipe catted you use and will it fit stick catback
Ease of installation and use of the stock head pipes dictated my use of shorties.later had the stock y pipe replaced with true duals into a 40 flowmaster. Woke up a 5.2 Magnum big time
I found some stainless headers on Ebay. Chinese made. Best damn quality i've ever seen! Wtf? 130$ for dodge Magnum .great fit, great finish. Thick flanges, Beautiful welds, very well grinded welds. Finish holding up 2yrs later.
Got a link ? Or do you remember the Co. Name? Thanks
Good information
Thanks
Excellent video
Thanks
Glad you enjoyed it.
Cool vid, fundamental
Great video! Got a question. I have your same set up and am gonna go shorties. Did you have to take off both heat shields near the mid pipe going up ? I have one that’s cracked and rattles a bit and thought this may be perfect time to do that. Thanks!!!!
Thanks! If I remember correctly, my car only had one heat shield, on the passenger side, I believe to protect the starter from heat. I had to take it off to install everything but I bolted it back on since like I said it protects the starter. Hope that helps.
All the work don't take the chance by new
Do you know if these bolt on to aftermarket exhaust kits, such as SLP Loudmouth? Or would I have to get separate midpipes just to accommodate the headers?
Wesley Forman these will bolt on directly to your stock mid pipes, so no need to get new ones. Then down the line if you want to get high flow mid pipes, they’ll bolt right up too.
Move the engine mounts? Why? I just watched two videos where the mounts or engine wasn't touched. But then again they did long tube headers...
Wonder if they throw a CEL on the newer years 2017
Where’d you get the shift knob bro?
Also some of the JBA are CARB certified as direct OEM replacement for those that have to do smog checks.
Terry Chan yep thanks, they just got CARB certification, so Cali guys have a legal header option now.
169 Design does that go for 2019 models ?
Just bought a pair of JBL Shorty's for my 2007 Charger 5.7 Hemi. Haven't gotten them on yet, one of the few headers you can run in California, CARB Certified, that was a big plus for me.
If you don't mind me asking; what kind of updates did you do to the suspension? Thanks!!
Francisco Casillas MOPAR Stage 1 lowering springs and Koni STR.T orange shocks.
those uneven spots inside the 1st 1/4in of the exhaust flange, will create turbulence and reduce flow.
Any changes in fuel economy?
very nice detail...
So it's better to just get shorty an mid pipes 🤔an it was under five hundred🤔what brand ?
I have the jab just came in but I want to do the high flow y pipe just need to know which one fits both headers and catback thank you
They’re called mid pipes, not y pipe. They’re JBA high flow mid pipes, but I don’t think they make them anymore.
I think shorts are best option knowing there is a small amount of space in engine bay for exhuast manifold or headers
I almost wonder if it would be easier to just pull the heads and install them with the heads off. Then you can replace the lifters and head gaskets while you’re in there. Heck I might just get a set and wait till I wanna do a cam. and just install them when I do my cam
Yes, that’s another way you can do it.
I just found on speedlogix jba mid pipes for AWD model chargers mine is a 2011 rt AWD. The only headers made for the AWD rt chargers(2011) is the American racing headers brand LT. So will the JBA shorty headers Work I also heard you need a special brace for clearance if so where can I find this brace for a smoother installation
Whoa Weezy I can't answer your question. I don't know enough about AWDs to tell you.
169 Design ok thanks for the help
How did you permanently get rid of the check engine light after the header installation ?
Custom email tune from HemiFever Tuning.
How did you get rid of check engine light after header install?
depot1858 custom email tune.
You lucked out. Jba was the cheapest headers I could find for my '04 hemi Durango. Paid around $700 just for the headers. I do love these though. Both manifold gaskets were leaking so I had to do something. Now no leaks and the sound is ferocious.
Yeah gaskets leaking are the JBAs biggest issue. Gotta go with OEM gaskets.
04DurangoLimited 5.7Hemi4x4 cute car bro👳, I had the wagon with Koni shocks
I hv 07 Chrysler Aspen 5.7 I'm about 2 get this work done with high flow Cat's did u get a tune
I have a 08 charger r/t. Where can I find the high flow mid pipes? I can’t find them anywhere
Looks like they’re discontinued. I did find them on this site, but I’d ask them if they really have them before ordering: www.andysautosport.com/products/jba__2965SYC.html
Damn... wish I had found this video sooner. I have the JBA shorties and high flow mids on my 05 Magnum. What were your check engine codes? It frustrated the hell out of me. I eventually parked it.
Another note. The high flow mids are a cheaper alternative to replacing the stock cats.
I don’t remember the exact codes but I want to say something like 4020 and 4030? They were always the O2 sensors. I had a custom email tune done by Hemifever and he basically turns off the rear sensors or tricks the computer into thinking they’re reading fine so that the check engine light doesn’t come on. To this day I’ve never had an issue with it coming back on. Hope that helps!
I can't wait for my install with the highflow cats video of my lil set up
long or short, they both make power in different rpm ranges, short - lower end, long - higher end
X SIX yep, that’s true. Shorties will make more power down low than long tubes, but after that long tubes will make more overall.
Ive had the JBA shorties in my 2011 Camaro SS for 4 years. Drag racing....hard driving and all that and they still look brand new. Silver ceramic coating is great. I also used the JBA header gaskets and they work great. I do have a set of Stainless Power 1 7/8 longtubes going in once the warm weather comes. You will be very happy with those. Opps...2 year old vid lol...ok how do you like them ...and do you still have them?
ModernMuscleCar ha ha yep I still have them. They’re been great, and just like yours, they still look brand new. I know some people have no issues with the JBA gaskets, but a lot of Charger and Challenger guys do so that’s why I went with the OEM gaskets. All is good, but longtubes would be nice to upgrade to someday, but for now they are doing their job just fine. Thanks for the comment!
169 Design No problem...I waited 4 years to do longtubes. For the 6.2 in the Camaro all I've read is how the ls motors like longtubes With the 3inch Corsa Xtreme catback in installed late last fall the longtubes should really make the car bark lol.
Oh yeah I'd imagine it would really bark with that combo! Damn now you've got me thinking about long tubes lol.
169 Design Don't do anything till I get them on and my tuner retunes the car on the dyno. I'll hit the track and see how much difference they make. Plus I'll do a comparison vid of the car with shorties and high flow cats vs longtubes with cats. Sorry about making you want to spend money lol.
and by what i know from the truck i had short headers on, if you want to still hear the radio ya have to upgrade the insulation in the floor and fire wall.
Arden Nielsen that’s weird because my shorty headers didn’t increase the sound level much at all. Did you have an exhaust leak maybe?
ya the 1992 GMC truck had a massive leak, it went out the ports into the headers down the pipe to a Y went about 3 feet and into an old empty glass pack from the 90's, for a 5.0GM it could spit 2 foot wight fire out the tail pipe. could hear it from 3 miles away, had lots of toque but the two barrel TBI was a disappointment past 2300 rpm. I have a 1994 4.6 Thunder Bird now, i know if i put the same exhaust on it... it wont be as loud as the truck because the computerized spark timing and the catalytic converter make sure the flue is completely burnt, so no more fuel burning in the exhaust from the cheep GM,Chevy ICM. The Thunder Bird is the 3rd ford i have had, the only problem i have with Ford cars is the cheep overpriced thin walled tires... i wonder if triple walled reinforced truck tires are made in a size that would fit on the car?
I'm curious as to why you didn't use the SRT manifolds with the JBA midpipes? JBA even says their headers don't make anymore power then the SRT manifolds do.
The SRT manifolds are a great option, but they do not bolt onto 5.7 mid pipes, whether stock or aftermarket. They only bolt onto SRT stock or aftermarket mid pipes. That's why I went with JBA shorties because I had 5.7 JBA high flow mid pipes.
Oh ok you got the high flow 5.7 mids first, makes better sense now. I was just asking cause I picked up a set of SRT manifolds and midpipes for $270. The manifolds are brand new and the mids are used but only have 2000 miles on them. Had you found a set of SRT midpipes you could have had your high flow cats welded in place of the factory cats.
Terry Tiell I would have had to have the high flow cats welded in as well as a reducer to reduce the SRT mid pipes down to the 5.7 diameter to fit into my catback exhaust. At the point I'd be spending a lot of money on welding so it wouldn't be worth the extra cost and effort in my opinion.
No, what I meant was to take your high flow cats and have them used in the SRT mids that way you wouldn't have wasted them. Please don't think I'm giving you any crap, I swear I'm not intending it to come off that way. I've got a friend who owns a custom exhaust shop and I've been building cars for over 30 years, maybe I think outside the box a little too much some times.
Again I apologize if I came off wrong, wasn't my intention.
Your car sounds great BTW! I can't wait to install my SRT manifolds and midpipes and for my Solo cat back system to arrive! So tired of my 16 R/T being so damn quiet.
Ha ha I definitely did not take you as you giving me any crap, you're just asking questions. I think we're on the same page as far as what you were saying. If I went with SRT manifolds and mids, you're saying I could have had the high flow cats from my JBA mid pipes welded into the SRT mids, which is what I was saying in my last reply, but in addition to that I'd have to have reducers welded onto the SRT mids to mate up with my catback exhaust. The 5.7 uses 2.5 tubing in the catback and the SRT uses 2.75, so the only way to get SRT mids to fit on a 5.7 besides buying a catback for an SRT is to have a reducer welded on each mid pipe. Believe me I've researched every possible header option for my car before making my decision on the JBAs. I'm not even sure the cats would fit either due to the SRT mids being larger diameter piping. In the end it was easier just to get the JBA shorties.
That combo of parts waiting to be installed on your 16 R/T is going to make it sound and perform so much better! Remember to get a custom tune though to really reap the benefits.
I have a new mod in the works that should be delivered today that should make a huge difference in my cars performance. Stay tuned for a video on that soon!
Great informative video? So if you are on a tight budget and had limited funds and wanted to do a few mods at once and then leave it would you just skip the shorty headers and leave the stock? I'm getting from the video that you dodnt really notice a difference till the tune? Im thinking about going intake, high flow cats and Diablo with a custom tune. The headers just seem like too much of a headache for what it gives. LT headers I just can't justify that expense. Did the tune solve the check engine problems?
Craig Hall yes the tune gets rid of the CEL. The headers don’t do much until it’s tuned, then the car comes alive. But if you’re not up for the install, the high flow mids are a great option too.
Did the engine light came on when you 1st put them on
The CEL came on about 5 miles after the install as expected. The CEL also will come on with high flow mid-pipes. I have both. The CEL came on more often with the headers because they flow so much better than the stock logs the sensors will pick up on that and think there's a problem. With a custom tune you never have to worry about the CEL any longer.
Where’d you get seats man I love them
They are the factory seats. They came with the R/T with Road/Track Package. They’re the same seats as the SRT8 and Daytona.
ARE THE SHORTYS CARB LEGAL IN CALI ON THE 2019 CHARGERS??
Yes, the JBAs are CARB legal.
Are the JBA headers shorty carb legal in CA? For a 06 ram
Mine came with a CARB sticker.
I wanted to go with bbk headers
Did you get a custom tune. After your shorties
Whoa Weezy sorry man been off RUclips for a while. Yes I got a custom email tune not long after putting the headers on.
how much deeper or throaty does it sound vs before?
Not much of a difference at all. Maybe a touch throatier, but not that noticeable, so that's why I ended up upgrading my catback exhaust from a Flowmaster Force II to a Corsa Xtreme to make it louder.
where can i get the gasket you mentioned From
Ronald Domino from the dealer or a place like Maryland Speed.
Hello, just had jba shortys installed on 2012 charger rt, did you notice any rubbing when turning sharp left?
I didn’t, but I do get a rub every once in a great while turning left, but I never thought it was related to the headers. Mine seemed to happen after putting wider wheels on the front. Yours started just now after the header installation?
@@n-power-automotive yes sir, I was thinking it was a wheel bearing or something. Had me checking the car for 2-3 days trying to figure out where this grinding noise was coming from. It only does it under WOT, after looking closer can see a penny size spot on shortys where when I turn sharp left under some speed they grind and make a awful noise.
@@scoggins_3458 sounds like you might need new engine mounts if it’s moving that much.
@@n-power-automotive I will check them out. Thank you sir
What's a good shorty header for my Chrysler 300 s V8??
Anything better then stock
Chrysler 300 2017 Hemi long tube headers or short tube header with mid flow pipes....im tryna avoid having lights Whats the best price an brand
Can’t avoid the lights when putting headers and mid pipes on. The CEL is gonna come on regardless of long tubes or shorty headers. I went with JBA because they’re the most well known name for shorty headers. Long tube I would go JBA, American Racing, Kooks or Stainless Works.
@@n-power-automotive im goin with bbk
I have a 2020 challenger RT and I had the JBA headers installed but my check engine light keeps coming on and I was wondering if you know why? And what I should tell the shop that installed them for me?
You need to get a custom tune to shut the CEL off. The engine is flowing so much more exhaust now its making the O2 sensors throw codes.
@@n-power-automotive ok cool thank you so much for that
@@n-power-automotive does it matter that they are short tube instead of long tube ?
@@andresbernal213 nope. I have the short tubes too and they cause a CEL just like long tubes.
@@n-power-automotive that you so much this really helps a lot I appreciate it
I watch this video 75,000 times lol and im going to pull the trigger on it and go for it. And maybe next year if i can afford it ill upgrade to LT
Whoa Weezy ha ha that’s great man! Hope it helps you with the install.
Get the long tubes bruh
Luis Rod I will Just gotta save up
@@aaronferguson47 did u ever get em
Did the bolts give you any problem removing stock headers
Gabriel Mendez no they came off very easy. I soaked them all in PB Blaster for a while before attempting to remove them.
Oh ok im gunna wait till summer need lift
Gabriel Mendez it would certainly be easier with a lift. I did it on jack stands but would have waited for a lift if I had the chance to use one.
So the tune helps you with the mid range high end speeds....
The tune helps all around. I can’t say it specifically helped more in the mid to high RPM range though, just felt more responsive and powerful all around.
How long did it take you to get them and I forgot where you ordered yours from
Whoa Weezy they came quick. I got them from Maryland Speed. If you get them from then make sure you call don’t order online.
169 Design i gotcha but why is that?
Whoa Weezy they’re a middle man, they don’t actually stock anything, so if you order online if the manufacturer is out of stock it might not say that. Plus if you call they can actually give you better prices. They threw in the 6.1 gaskets for free and gave me a better than advertised price on the ceramic coated shorties.
169 Design i gotcha
169 Design one more question can i cause server engine damage if i dont get the CEL code fixed or will i just be burning more fuel then normal
Dyno sheets? I wanna get some shorty for my 16 challenger want some performance but trying to stay carb legal live in sucky ass CA
Oswaldo Castillo only butt dyno. My 1/4 mile time did decrease by 0.4 seconds though.
169 Design you only added headers or tune also?
Oswaldo Castillo I installed the headers first then I got a custom email tune a couple days later.
I'm looking for headers also I'm in California on a 2007 Chrysler Aspen 5.7 hemi
@@chachiluv8202 i added the srt shorty & catbat exhaust to my RT. Its .25 bigger then the exhaust my rt came with
But a point is being missed here and that is that long tube headers flow better and you end up making more power, but to each his own. Are the SRT headers much of a better improvement over RT stock manifolds? I would assume so...
And as I stated in my video, yes, long tubes are going to flow better and make more horse power, but not everyone has well over $1000 to spend on a set of long tube and high flow mid-pipes, so this is an option for those who want to spend a little at a time and maybe not make quite as much power but still a big improvement over stock. SRT exhaust manifolds are essentially the same thing as the JBA shorties, they just have a clam shell style heat shield over them.
long tubes aren't legal in many states unfortunately. Can't always find a friendly smog guys.
JBA shorties have an EO#. Sooner or later smog certification will be an issue. Cali is the worst. Got my JBA ceramic coated, black shorties for $300. Open box sale. Perfect condition, can’t see them anyway.
Not sure what an EO# is, but they came with a sticker saying 50 state smog legal.
@@n-power-automotive EO#: executive order. Manufacturer smog test passes and # is issued. Makes them legal to sale in California for on road use. It costs the manufacturer $$$$ but it makes for a pass at smog test time.
I'm about 2 call tomorrow an set up for my appointment Headers n high flow cats n cutouts I'm n California
Are these silver ceramic coating jba shorty headers?
Whoa Weezy yes they are.
169 Design awesome I'm looking to get some for my AWD rt charger 2011along with the JBA mids and borla cat back
Whoa Weezy that’ll be a great combo!
169 Design Thanks after watching your video it convince me to try those out they say for gaskets get the 6.1 gaskets
Whoa Weezy yes I used the 6.1 gaskets. That’s what you want.
And as you show the headers where the actual header touches the head you can see the reason why most should not buy these headers. The bumps, dips you see will cause the headers to leak and they should be surfaced by a shop to remove these imperfections and then you should install them and would be good to go.
Those round "bumps" are the same level as the ones around the ports. The headers laid absolutely perfect on a level surface and had no wobble, so they were straight. The key to these not leaking is using the OEM exhaust manifold gaskets, specifically the 6.1/6.4 versions since they have the D-shaped ports to match. I've had these on for over 8 months now with zero issues, so surfacing them by a machine shop is a bit over board. Use the correct gaskets and hardware and you'll be fine.
🤷🏻♂️🤦♂️ re check Charlie in progress
Torque not horsepower
Welds burnt off on mine, didn’t last that long.
anyone that is a welder, can look at those polished weld's and see that they're shit welds....talked me out of getting them....lol...thanks for showing.
They’re definitely not pretty, but they haven’t leaked 3 years later. Maybe I got lucky.
It's auto why are you Manual shifting it?
Tony Koelsch my electronic shift kit allows for harder and quicker shifts when using the auto stick aka manual mode. Plus sometimes it’s just fun to manually shift it. I can shift from the volume up and down buttons on my steering wheel too like paddle shifters.
@@n-power-automotive wait what? you can shift AT with your sw vol controls? If that's true please tell me how to get that mod, '10 R/T Challenger, thanks..
X SIX it’s a feature with the Z Auto TranZformer shift kit.
I have some JBA ceramic shorty headers and honestly they're trash. A little over a year one side cracked so I had to weld it and a few months later i had a nice huge chunk missing out of the other side. Don't waste your money..
BlownViper 505 they can be hit or miss I guess. Mine still look brand new after a year and a half.
dude you need a real tune for them to really work man you gain 30 hp easy and tq
I do have a real tune. Hemifever custom tune. I improved my quarter mile times by almost a half second, so I'd say they gave me some great horsepower gains.
Just ordered some JBA headers hope they don't rape me to install them 😂😂
Blaxican ha ha I hope not either! I was quoted anywhere from $400-$1000. So glad I tackled the install myself. Good luck!
169 Design got them installed for $500 stayed there and helped the guy😁
Blaxican $500 isn’t too bad considering. Hope you enjoy the new headers!
shortys are waste of money
I disagree
TO MUCH TALKING…..
#1 rule in RUclips is audio quality, that's why your channel never went off. Horrible video, why are you driving ?😂