Dave is being super humble in this video. For those who do not know, Dave Hahn has been to the summit of Everest 15 times. The most ever recorded for a non Sherpa. it can be argued he is one of the best climbers in the world.
@@CryptocurrencyInsider others are climbing to say they climbed them. He's doing work on the mountain. They are researching, searching for historical information.... Very different reasoning. Are you familiar with how many he's summited?
Fascinated with Everest and K2 since I was a kid. My girlfriend’s family were mountaineers, met Peter Hillary when I was 15, her mum’s partner was lost on Everest, trying to be the first Aussies to summit in the 80’s. I think it was a valuable thing that these amazing people did to find Mallory and try and find out his story. Couldn’t have been a more respectful way to do it either.
I don’t think there is anything respectful in using an ice axe to detach the Mallory from the mountain. Stripping the body naked and lifting the body so they could then take photos of his face etc. then Conrad Anchor insiste that Mallory could not have climbed the second step even though we know they did not use the second step but traversed the couloir below using the same route as Norton had. I have to say, I was pleased on hearing Anka has been refused entry to Nepal.
@@LindaMonks Ok, I did. His name is Conrad *Anker* . Ok? It's *Anker* , not *Anka* . Sounds like you're the one who needs to do some homework...in spelling.
Thankfully this expedition was conducted by mountaineer professionals. So it was equally fitting that these professionals found the legendary George Mallory.
Total legend and gentleman, I am so glad this guy was there and did the expedition justice, a lovely sensitive guy who understands the family’s grief and climbing etiquette and knowledge. This whole story needs to be told in a film or long documentary
I just cant imagine encountering Mallory ...indescribable especially if u researched to the point of Mallory & Irvine becoming a personal moving part of ur energy& heart . Thank u for giving him respect & reverance when finding his body .
I’m researching now to create a documentary. My plan is Sherpa, Everest, incompetent climbers, waste etc. I might switch up the storyline as I keep searching. I’m hooked and Irvine and Mallory’s story right now.
Didn't this same guy, after "respectfully" burying Mallory, then unbury him and tear open his clothes in search of valuables, preventing experts from gathering evidence?
I recall seeing the video of the discovery of Mallory. As a former student of forensic anthropology, I felt they treated him with incredible respect. When it comes to dealing with deceased persons, it takes a fair amount of experience to understand your own ethics in your endeavours. I cannot imagine the reverence with which they regarded this man who left such a mark on climbing culture.
They didn't film disturbing his body, it was edited. Neither did they film coming back the next day and that time tearing his body apart to remove ever single bit of fabric still sticking to his skin and his bones were left in a pile. If that's not disturbing a body in the worst way then i don't know what is.
I know I'm a little late to the party, and I'm not a student of forensic Anthropology (although I am a student of Anthropology, Archaeology and History) I would have preferred to see a better job than what they achieved. Whilst on the surface I too thought that the job seemed respectful, after a little investigating the treatment of Mallory's body was amateur. From what I've seen described it ended up becoming a frantic search and tearing of pockets and clothing to specifically find a camera which after some research, probably never existed in the first place. Mallory had, numerous times before, mentioned getting summit rocks from Everest to prove a geological debate. These would have been an important clue to understanding whether he had made it or not. But it seems the search team disregarded anything that wasn't a camera. With the frantic search it's pretty likely to say that any summit rocks on Mallory's body could have easily fallen out of the many holes and tears and are now lost forever on the mountain. Whilst the team maintains that they were thorough in their search and would have discovered any summit rocks if he had any, the fact that they wouldn't find Mallory's watch in his pocket until the second search discredits this for me. If it's possible to miss a watch then it's defintely possible to miss summit rocks. Whilst I understand the excitement of finally discovering Mallory, I would have much preferred a more scientific, laboured and forensic approach to the search. From my perspective it seems the team did very little research therefore not knowing what to look for, and fixated on an object that caused them to miss or even ignore any more important smaller objects (like the watch). Which with all these small clues could have pieced together the bigger picture. Considering the importance of the discovery I don't see why there wasn't a forensic team or specialist on stand by to at least direct them on how to perform a thorough and respectful search. It would have also been possible for the team to have discovered the body, mark the location, regroup at camp and then prepare for a proper forensic analysis the next day. Whilst I have immense respect for them as mountaineers and climbers for undertaking incredible feats of endurance and will, they're overall treatment and actions undertaken during their search of Mallory's body seemed wholly unprofessional and more than likely damaged any important information we could have detected (Edit for spelling & grammar)
Dave Hahn and his team's transparent yet discreet approach to the search and discovery of George Mallory's final resting place was, in my opinion, performed with the utmost humility, dignity and discernment and could not have been handled by a more qualified group. They were chosen because, like George Mallory, they were mountaineers. They did not plunder for themselves, nor did they try to conceal what they found from the rest of the world. They examined and collected information as scientists and archeologists would. As men of honor, they gave him a dignified burial and memorial. And as historians, they shed light on and shared with the world pertinent information about, most agreeably, the most central figure known to mountaineering. And at a risk to their own lives. Thank you Your earnest efforts will not be quickly forgotten.
@@jonathanclegg1595They went back the next day, uncovered his body which was covered up with stones, and with ice axes, tried to free him from being frozen to the mountain by hacking at it. They tore his body up, removed his clothes and left him naked. It seems they made a pack not to release their video and to just forever confuse the situation.
Yeah, very big contrast compared to the Irving search that happened a couple of years ago. Filmed in "The Ghosts Above". That was so disrespectful, glad they weren't the one's to find him. Though I hope someone will eventually.
@RUclips Killed Me yeah everest grows a little taller every year but not from the bodies and poop. Don't assume that because you see a dumb 'hill', that's what everyone else should see. If the world were full of people like you innovation would have stopped a long time ago. Why try right,? Too hard, too stupid? Great attitude, you'll live life to its fullest I'm sure.
Ever since I heard about Malory and Irvine as a child I always really wanted them to have reached the peak. Thank you for finding Mallory, now there is just Irvine to find.
Great interview: TY VM for sharing this, Mallory is fortunate to have Dave Hahn be part of the group that mountaineered their way to find him. He was found by the same weft of climbing fabric that day that he himself was made of. May He rest, or climb, In Peace.
I am new to learning about Mallory and Irwin and it is amazing you found Mallory. For me, wouldve loved to have seen a forensic anthropology team uncover his body
I like many others have been fascinated with Mount Everest for years. This is without a doubt the best interview I've seen on the subject of recovering Irvine and Mallory their story still captivates me. Personally I agree with Dave Hahn I don't think they made it but we may have under estimated their capability. I was fascinated with the way George Mallory had been preserved on the mountain and wanted to know every little detail, but because the team treated him with such respect we will never know what he died from or what his last meal was. The camera may still be buried in snow. The forensic nut in me would so like to know, I hope that's not disrespectful.
I have just read Robert Macfarlane's book "Mountains of the mind" which gives a very clear, understandable picture of why people like George Mallory are obsessed by mountains. I am a very elderly British woman who has never climbed a mountain in my life (Snowdon once on the train!!) & I can totally understand why the fact of a mountain being there, which in 1924 had never been conquered would be a challenge to someone like Mallory. Macfarlane's descriptions of the mountains are so vivid, he brings them alive. I am so glad he was found....I have yet to investigate if Irvine has been?
Love the mountains; the size, altitude, solitude etc. Convinced they made it and slipped up on the way down in inclement weather. Sandy hasn’t been found yet, though of course unless a specific expedition, nobody really has the luxury to go off-rope and look. Hoping for the day they find him and the camera with summit snaps. These guys were a different breed. Take care x
Great to here this story, Dave Hahn is a legend too, and very respectful of his (our) hero. Thanks for posting. Respect to all involved ( from a humble modern summiteer who has some idea what was involved)
Thanks, Dave. Great expedition, well conducted, and as respectfully as anyone could do. Congratulations on your discovery and for filling us all in a bit more. Take care, amigo.
I think Mallory wanted his story to come off the mountain. They deserve their place in history and this expedition (to retrieve as much information as they could) would have been appreciated by Mallory and Irvine. Hopefully Irvine can be found with more information give.
I believe the team did the right thing Mallory probably wanted his story to be told so to do that you have to disturb his body but they respectfully put him to rest and said a real nice prayer that’s the best anyone can do so they did a damn good job.
I dont think they "violated" George Mallory. If it wasnt for them he would still be lying in the open, exposed to the ravages of Everest & of time.... lost. They treated him with the utmost dignity & respect. I think after giving his life for discovery & for Everest, he would want his story told.
@@MarieJesne Basically the full footage of them finding his body shows them treating it disrespectfully, hacking at the ice and tearing fibres from his clothes. At one point a guy stands on Mallory's leg while attempting to yank his torso out of the ice. They buried him and said a prayer, but then a couple weeks later two guys from the team went back and dug him up. The author of the book says they clearly had more interest in recovering artifacts and evidence than they did in treating him with dignity
@SteveHart1859 Ya the author mentions a few of them by name but I can’t remember them now. It wasn’t the whole team that treated him with disrespect, but several did
George Mallory and Andrew Irvine will always be immortal! Imagine getting within a couple of hundred metres of the summit wearing nothing but Tweed! No guides, no pre prepared ropes, no ladders with a whole backup team. Thise was before Summiting Everest was relatively easy. Legends and immortal forever will be remembered and maybe just maybe they made it and the camera will prove it... ❤
Yes, everyone should know Mr. Hahn is a legend. And they honored Mallory well. I fully believe he would have been very satisfied with the decisions they made about him.
Wonderful interview with an adventurer/explorer of our time! There were moments when I wished I could better hear the comments of the interviewer. Lots of fantastic information! Thanks for taking the time to upload thie entire interview...much appreciated!!
The team that found him were a group of gentlemen and did the right thing. The knew how to go about it the correct way. I think mallory would have been pleased that this group found him.
Yes i think the same. They were respectful, they cared about the entire situation and knew the signifigance. Me being me i wonder what his face looked like just because it is interesting but i am glad they didnt film it and glad that they did all they needed and buried him without having to exhume him later. Mallory and irvine are legendary men and these guys understood that. Hats off to all involved. I know its a far shot but yo find irvine and the camera if it is still possible would be amazing. I am mindblown that these guys made it to 27k feet when they did.
@@Ep0nz Exactly, the camera man got under him to take a picture of his face. That's how it was discovered his head injury. Sad they took pictures of his whole face, said it was perfectly preserved even could see his wiskers. Very sad they left him naked put rocks on him. They didn't need to take his clothes off him. They also didn't have permission to do anything to George Mallory. That's why they said OMG we thought it was Irvine. The Irvine family gave permission to do that if they found him. They thought Sandy caused the fall but in fact Mallory fell first. I think Mallory might have fallen a little and was slightly injured and Irvine was bay laying George. Then the rope snapped and he fell. Irvine I'm not sure about, I honestly think if he wasn't injured he definitely would have made it back to camp 6. He wouldn't just give up if he wasn't injured.
@@Bella.216 it’s all very fishy. I feel like they both had to of been injured, because they had others at camp 6 that could literally see them for a little. But yes, extremely sad what they did to George Mallory. Just another example of what greed will do to people. He should of been left where he lay, it’s what he would of wanted, to be part of the mountain. I honestly had no idea about all of this until I saw the video of the man speaking up about this incident, not sure if you know what I’m talking about or not.
Thom Pollard on Everest Mysteries, posted an interview with a man who was allowed to tour a Chinese climbing museum. He saw things there that led him to further investigation on whether or not Chinese climbers actually found Sandy and removed his body. Some people think that may have happened, check it out.
Thank you and the whole crew of gentlemen that solved part of a great mystery. It may be a case of finding Irving in 50 or 100 years in the future. Thank you
What a truly great story from Dave Hahn. Really told it like it was. Gives great insight to the real courage of Mallory and Irvine. Did they make it, I guess we’ll never know for sure but to think of what these guys were attempting back in 1925 ....Inspiring story.
I think Irvine body has taken a trip. He ended up in the snow, and has been covered or has fallen down and is throughly entombed in the glacier. But damn wouldn’t it be something to find that camera and get it successfully developed....
@@jquest43 Mallorys body? Although there are reports from people who may have seen Irvines....there are only alleged images from aerial photos that may contain a body... but so far it’s always ended up being a shadow or trick of the light.
@@avrolancaster6987 they found mallory..no,the body they photographed, most likely is Irvine as it's in the fall trajectory from the pick axe and mallory.the problem is snow has covered up this area.
The fact these guys made it to that zone and facturing in the discovery is legendary,wether George and Andrew met there demise on the way up or down is immaterial,for that Era is astonishing,well done to all concerned you are all Legends.
The story of Mallory and Irvine is so captivating and the question did they summit still lives on. I for myself think they did because Mallory said he would place a picture of his wife on the summit. That picture wasn't on him or in his wallet that the searchteam found. So probably Irvine has the camera but his remains haven't been found yet. They were 2 great men with a dream and even summiting in this early years of mountaineering with their fragile oxygen system and without high tech equipment would be an amazing archievement even when dying on the descend.
George Mallory would want the world to know what happened and they honoured him. If they can find Irvine we find the camera and we know. 1924 it's absolutely balls to the wall, no ladders no ropes they are legends they what I call doers, to get up to the heights even if they did not get to the summit was massive as they pioneered everest. I'm not a climber but Im so interested in these 2, Irvine was supposed to be not very experienced as he was 21 but that's why it makes this even more special, I believe people back then were a different. Let's find this guy.
Great interview. I learned a lot about George Mallory and Andrew Irvine’s attempt (or success) at climbing Mt. Everest in 1924. Who knew? We only hear of Hillary at the summit in the 1950’s.
I believe that Mallory fell once around that Ice axe. But he only fell a little, Irvine tried to pull him up but rope snapped and his ice axe hits him and he falls to where they found him. That's why his body wasn't mangle up and he was able to self arrest.
Fascinating stuff. I'd seen the Anker video years ago and found that guy a to be bit too pleased with himself. This guy more down to earth, and as respectful about the process as could be hoped for. So the starting point was the 1975 camp location, but he didn't close that loop to confirm whether the location of the body would or would not have been visible from the camp location. Is the implication that the body was spotted at great distance with binoculars? Or if it was so close to be visible without binoculars, why does he say Mallory and Irvine were on a much more difficult route (ie than the chinese route of '75 which I assume is the easiest route in that area?).
6:44 Very telling about the difference between the climbers of 1924 and "modern" times . Look at the way Mallory was geared up for Everest & the way his discoverers were geared up. I bet there is no way in hell that modern climbers would take on Everest with the same stuff & the same way Mallory did.
I like to think they made the summit. I have always found Mallory fascinating. The pic of his wife? Hope Irving is found not as much for more proof, he deserves the same respect and burial as his partner. He has been lost, alone, too long.
Agreed! I appreciated that he credits Mallory with having the capability to reach the top. His friends apparently saw him do other climbs that people have attempted today and great climbers have made his time... So he was apparently a quite capable climber.
There are those who feel as if Mallory is being deprived of a 'proper' burial, and there are those who feel that to disturb him would be to desecrate a legendary existence and defile what essentially amounts to a shrine. Ultimately, as one of the first two of his kind, he shares a very distinctive place of eternal rest with relatively few others. Most people who aren't cremated end up in the cold, damp earth. Comparatively, as pioneers, George Mallory and Andy Irvine each have places of final repose that rank among the most distinguished ever given a person.
It would have been nice to hear what questions the interviewer was asking. I do believe that Mallory and Irvine reached the summit of Mount Everest and something went wrong on their way down.
@Hans Moleman Productions a serious brawl above 8000m :-) thats really funny. You definitely never have been above 4000m. Believe everyone who has been at that height. All the energy is needed to survive and even that is difficult. You dont even think about something like arguing or even fighting. IT would look like underwater dancing.
@@listrahtes I got AMS the first time I went above 4000m... The sad part is that I knew better, but had traveled straight from about 400m in about 24hrs and was too excited about checking off some peaks. The highest I'd been before that was a touch over 2000m, and I just figured my young fit body could take it... Nope.
They had to take photographs and at least try to search the body. Mallory was a courageous man and his story needed to be told as completely as possible. I choose to believe, within evidence or actual knowledge, that George fell on his way back down from the summit.
For anyone new to Mallory and Irvine. All you'll hear on most documentaries, is the 2nd step, the 2nd step, the 2nd step! There's evidence to suggest Mallory wouldn't have taken the ridge route and simply traversed underneath and taken the Norton/Great Couloir route, seen as Norton had achieved an altitude record there shortly before. With regards to Mallory's body. A lot of these expedition members (not all) were clueless and basically desecrated Mallory's body, during their bumbling "search". They even returned a second time after the filmed "burial" and dug him up, pulled him off the ground and crawled under his body and may have photographed his face, then sloppily "buried" him again. There's also plenty of suspicion, as to what artifacts were found, kept and used and how, etc. They also didn't search the body for summit rocks, which would have been a huge indicator as to whether they summited or not.
@@dogsmusicbookstravelsciencethat’s not true there are people who have dedicated their lives to researching him. Thom pollard is the one who returned and disrespected Mallory after Hahn and his team buried him. There is strong evidence to suggest that Mallory took the Norton route
I believe my brother, climber, Paul Pfau, has been to Everest at least 4 times. He's a quiet person, to say the least, like mountain climbers can be - there's a great video in which he talks to the Advernturer's Club about his quest to find out more about George Mallory : ruclips.net/video/joHs8CZqK4w/видео.html
Dude reminds me of Billy Nershi from the String Cheese Incident!! Awesome work though, amazing finding George there!! I believe he did summit, BUT doesn't matter if you don't come back down. RIP and thank you!!
It absolutely does matter if you don't come back down, they were still the first men to ever climb to the top of the world .. bizarre to claim that it doesn't matter as if it never happened just because they didn't get down safely. They still stood on the roof of the world = mission accomplished.
Interview questions : 05:29 How did he let you guys know? Was it a big shout, was it a .. 06:30 So when you hear that code from Anker .. 08:45 So he was face down .. 11:30 So you found your Tutankhamun, really .. 11:34 So how did you know it was .. just go through that .. I know how it was .. you were talking about it .. to prove that it was not Irvine .. and Mallory .. what was the magic moment that you discovered it? 13:57 So once you discovered him, you were .. you buried him .. 16:00 So you got all that excitement, you buried him .. 17:27 So tell us how it became an internet sensation .. what was the sort of rough sort of path? 22:15 It's a difficult one, isn't it? I mean, let's just say you're never gonna please everybody, but .. 20 years later, how do you feel about it all? I mean, obviously it is a big .. quite a sensational part of your life, really .. you know, because, I guess you grew up and he was a hero of yours .. to finally discover and put, not all the jigsaw together, but a large part of it .. 23:31 Would be nice to know though one day, wouldn't it?
saying Mallory made it is like mentioning Skull and bones at yale , of course he made it , it was dark coming down , thats how they missed the stashed bottle below the first step just before they fell
If you know exactly what route they took then it really shouldn't be too hard to find Irvine if we can get some good snow melt and I've always wondered about the status of the other end of the rope that was tied around Mallory's waste and just thought I'd mention I couldn't make it to base camp wearing what Mallory was wearing
@@risenshine5346 Some speculate that if the Chinese found him, and found the camera, and if there was evidence that they had reached the Summit, then perhaps they covered it up, for some damn reason.... I guess we will never find out....
No.... Irvine’s body was about 150m off the N trail over 50yrs ago... the Chinese threw him off the mountain; just like my former climbing partner and his group (his second summit) threw Green Boots off the mountain circa 2012/2013. It’s bad for business for custies to SEE the bodies
He mentioned the spot they located Mallory was an easy slip 8000 ft. Down. Wouldn't it make sense to start a 2nd expedition down at that glacier? If the two were separated one has to be above and one below. Probably hit a storm. Lost the route. One slipped over the other hunkered back into the rocks and nested until it was too late.
I saw where george mallory 11 , summited everest in 1995, with an American team. Ge6s the son of John mallory, george Mallory's son. I thought that was neat. You might already know, but i had to mention it.
What question made me think is - not wether Mallory summit or not but....... 1.Why he was descending from different new route when it was night ??(if it's night he should rather bivouac and return from normal route next day) 2. Why did he left Irvin behind on ridge??(as Chinese found him in sleeping bag)(he might got altitude sickness; but if so then Mallory must have camera with him?)🧐🤔
@@panderson9561 a Chinese 1960 climb claimed to of seen a body in a decaying sleeping bag. Which is a strong possibility of it being Irvine. If this was the case and Irvine was forced to bivouac, Mallory may of summited alone. But then the whole camera thing doesn’t make sense for Irvine to have them before the summit attempt. I’m pretty sure they both had a camera and they did take sleeping bags with them for the summit attempt. If the Chinese did indeed see Irvine and he has the cameras, then that’s pretty strong evidence that the summit was made, whether the film can be developed or not. Why else would Mallory give him his camera? I think Irvine cut himself free from Mallory after an accident and was forced to bivouac as it was possibly dark, then passed away!
So the story is that despite burying him under rocks etc, these guys went back up a few days later, removed the rocks and really went to town on the body?
I think there intentions were to honor George Mallory and I don’t believe they disturbed him because George Mallory is not there only his earthly body.
from how he describes it, it seems they were actively looking for Mallory and Irvine, but when they found mallory that's the moment they began to discuss what to do with him. I just don't understand why that hadn't been decided long before, when they were at home planning the trip. And It seems that they hadn't even asked Mallory's family (his children were still alive?!) what THEY thought should be done. Surely that should be the first thing they did before even setting off for the Himalayas? It seems that Mallory and Irvine are public property because they died on the mountain.
None of this is true. They had contact with the families beforehand and they did what Mallory's family ask: to conduct a service, which consisted of reading Psalm 103 and a prayer.
You did nothing wrong in examining Mallory, you helped him finish his expedition. Yes looking at all the facts known about the progress of Mallory and Irvine, I believe they made the summit and fell on the way down, eternity will tell
In my nearly 62 years on this planet, a big chunk of it spent on mountains and in wilderness, I have learned one thing the hard way: no matter what the event...no matter what the situation, there is always going to be a mob of sniveling bitches who will offended and indignant over said event. This expedition did not dishonor Mallory in any way, shape, or form. A historical figure with intelligence and an almost inhuman dedication to the task at hand, I somehow can't help but think that Mallory himself would have approved. It is quite unfortunate that no evidence was uncovered that would shed light on whether the two climbers had summited Everest or didn't. Perhaps someday Irvine's remains will be discovered and with it the missing camera that many believe to be the key to the story.
Dave is being super humble in this video. For those who do not know, Dave Hahn has been to the summit of Everest 15 times. The most ever recorded for a non Sherpa. it can be argued he is one of the best climbers in the world.
He's a humble guy for sure and a top man as well.
Others climb all 14 8000m peaks, he climbs the same peak 15 times. Seems a bit boring.
@@CryptocurrencyInsider still extremely impressive.
@@Britclip they grave robbed George
@@CryptocurrencyInsider others are climbing to say they climbed them. He's doing work on the mountain. They are researching, searching for historical information.... Very different reasoning.
Are you familiar with how many he's summited?
What a great quote at the end "I'm among those who don't think they made it up but now i believe he was fully capable of making it up".
Set playback speed to 1.25, much smoother listening experience 👍
You are the man! It feels much more natural 😅
Great stuff!
Genius.
Great advice, now it’s much more enjoyable!
I respect the guy, but I feel a bit like I'm listening to grandpa droning on and on about stuff and not getting to the point quickly, lol.
I can not imagine making it to 27 thousand feet in the time that mallory and irvine did. Mind blowing
Fascinated with Everest and K2 since I was a kid. My girlfriend’s family were mountaineers, met Peter Hillary when I was 15, her mum’s partner was lost on Everest, trying to be the first Aussies to summit in the 80’s. I think it was a valuable thing that these amazing people did to find Mallory and try and find out his story. Couldn’t have been a more respectful way to do it either.
I don’t think there is anything respectful in using an ice axe to detach the Mallory from the mountain. Stripping the body naked and lifting the body so they could then take photos of his face etc. then Conrad Anchor insiste that Mallory could not have climbed the second step even though we know they did not use the second step but traversed the couloir below using the same route as Norton had. I have to say, I was pleased on hearing Anka has been refused entry to Nepal.
@@LindaMonks Who is Anka?
@@Bob31415 do your own homework
@@LindaMonks Ok, I did. His name is Conrad *Anker* . Ok? It's *Anker* , not *Anka* . Sounds like you're the one who needs to do some homework...in spelling.
Dave Hahn is a hero for rescuing Usha Bista. We need more people like him.
Thankfully this expedition was conducted by mountaineer professionals. So it was equally fitting that these professionals found the legendary George Mallory.
Total legend and gentleman, I am so glad this guy was there and did the expedition justice, a lovely sensitive guy who understands the family’s grief and climbing etiquette and knowledge. This whole story needs to be told in a film or long documentary
He is a great man , I know him personally (Dave hahn)
I just cant imagine encountering Mallory ...indescribable especially if u researched to the point of Mallory & Irvine becoming a personal moving part of ur energy& heart . Thank u for giving him respect & reverance when finding his body .
I’m researching now to create a documentary. My plan is Sherpa, Everest, incompetent climbers, waste etc. I might switch up the storyline as I keep searching. I’m hooked and Irvine and Mallory’s story right now.
Didn't this same guy, after "respectfully" burying Mallory, then unbury him and tear open his clothes in search of valuables, preventing experts from gathering evidence?
@@owo1744 get your facts right , he is the expert . No one more expert than Mr Hahn !
I recall seeing the video of the discovery of Mallory. As a former student of forensic anthropology, I felt they treated him with incredible respect. When it comes to dealing with deceased persons, it takes a fair amount of experience to understand your own ethics in your endeavours. I cannot imagine the reverence with which they regarded this man who left such a mark on climbing culture.
I agree - thanks for your positive comment.
Can't believe they didn't have a plan on how to handle the situation
Interestingly, Mallory was a bit younger at the time he died than those who found him there a life time later.
They didn't film disturbing his body, it was edited. Neither did they film coming back the next day and that time tearing his body apart to remove ever single bit of fabric still sticking to his skin and his bones were left in a pile. If that's not disturbing a body in the worst way then i don't know what is.
I know I'm a little late to the party, and I'm not a student of forensic Anthropology (although I am a student of Anthropology, Archaeology and History) I would have preferred to see a better job than what they achieved. Whilst on the surface I too thought that the job seemed respectful, after a little investigating the treatment of Mallory's body was amateur. From what I've seen described it ended up becoming a frantic search and tearing of pockets and clothing to specifically find a camera which after some research, probably never existed in the first place. Mallory had, numerous times before, mentioned getting summit rocks from Everest to prove a geological debate. These would have been an important clue to understanding whether he had made it or not. But it seems the search team disregarded anything that wasn't a camera. With the frantic search it's pretty likely to say that any summit rocks on Mallory's body could have easily fallen out of the many holes and tears and are now lost forever on the mountain. Whilst the team maintains that they were thorough in their search and would have discovered any summit rocks if he had any, the fact that they wouldn't find Mallory's watch in his pocket until the second search discredits this for me. If it's possible to miss a watch then it's defintely possible to miss summit rocks. Whilst I understand the excitement of finally discovering Mallory, I would have much preferred a more scientific, laboured and forensic approach to the search. From my perspective it seems the team did very little research therefore not knowing what to look for, and fixated on an object that caused them to miss or even ignore any more important smaller objects (like the watch). Which with all these small clues could have pieced together the bigger picture. Considering the importance of the discovery I don't see why there wasn't a forensic team or specialist on stand by to at least direct them on how to perform a thorough and respectful search. It would have also been possible for the team to have discovered the body, mark the location, regroup at camp and then prepare for a proper forensic analysis the next day. Whilst I have immense respect for them as mountaineers and climbers for undertaking incredible feats of endurance and will, they're overall treatment and actions undertaken during their search of Mallory's body seemed wholly unprofessional and more than likely damaged any important information we could have detected
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What a fantastic, phenomenal interview. The humility shown by Hahn here describing his hero is heartwarming and deserving of great respect
Dave Hahn and his team's transparent yet discreet approach to the search and discovery of George Mallory's final resting place was, in my opinion, performed with the utmost humility, dignity and discernment and could not have been handled by a more qualified group.
They were chosen because, like George Mallory, they were mountaineers. They did not plunder for themselves, nor did they try to conceal what they found from the rest of the world.
They examined and collected information as scientists and archeologists would.
As men of honor, they gave him a dignified burial and memorial.
And as historians, they shed light on and shared with the world pertinent information about, most agreeably, the most central figure known to mountaineering.
And at a risk to their own lives.
Thank you
Your earnest efforts will not be quickly forgotten.
Absolutely 💯 %.
Yeah so much dignity that they dug him up and stripped him 2 weeks later after burying him, quite the dignified burial
@@jonathanclegg1595They went back the next day, uncovered his body which was covered up with stones, and with ice axes, tried to free him from being frozen to the mountain by hacking at it. They tore his body up, removed his clothes and left him naked.
It seems they made a pack not to release their video and to just forever confuse the situation.
Yeah, very big contrast compared to the Irving search that happened a couple of years ago. Filmed in "The Ghosts Above". That was so disrespectful, glad they weren't the one's to find him. Though I hope someone will eventually.
@@LUITESLIFE "Though I hope someone will eventually."???
For these guys who went through the Great War, the moments spent being alive were worth so much more than life itself.
Well said Tyler
I can't have enough of this story, and hope it will be brought to light
@RUclips Killed Me yeah everest grows a little taller every year but not from the bodies and poop. Don't assume that because you see a dumb 'hill', that's what everyone else should see. If the world were full of people like you innovation would have stopped a long time ago. Why try right,? Too hard, too stupid? Great attitude, you'll live life to its fullest I'm sure.
Ever since I heard about Malory and Irvine as a child I always really wanted them to have reached the peak. Thank you for finding Mallory, now there is just Irvine to find.
Exactly
He is encapsulated in ice by now
Reckon he’s somewhere above him; they were tethered of course.
They will never find Irvine...he fell into a abyss
I pray one day they find Irvine 🙏🤞
Dave Hahn was 38 years old when he found the 37 year old George Mallory 🌹
Conrad Anker found the body
@@susanappleby2414 yes and he was 37 years old at the time, the same age as George Mallory only George had been 37 for 75 years
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What an excellent interview. This chap represents the very best! Modest, considerate and honest. Thanks very much.
Thank you Nick - He's one of the good guys is Mr Hahn.
Great interview: TY VM for sharing this, Mallory is fortunate to have Dave Hahn be part of the group that mountaineered their way to find him. He was found by the same weft of climbing fabric that day that he himself was made of. May He rest, or climb, In Peace.
I am new to learning about Mallory and Irwin and it is amazing you found Mallory. For me, wouldve loved to have seen a forensic anthropology team uncover his body
I like many others have been fascinated with Mount Everest for years.
This is without a doubt the best interview I've seen on the subject of recovering Irvine and Mallory their story still captivates me.
Personally I agree with Dave Hahn I don't think they made it but we may have under estimated their capability. I was fascinated with the way George Mallory had been preserved on the mountain and wanted to know every little detail, but because the team treated him with such respect we will never know what he died from or what his last meal was. The camera may still be buried in snow. The forensic nut in me would so like to know, I hope that's not disrespectful.
What an extraordinary thing to have found Mr. Mallory's remains. I would've been so shaken. R.I.P Sir
I have just read Robert Macfarlane's book "Mountains of the mind" which gives a very clear, understandable picture of why people like George Mallory are obsessed by mountains. I am a very elderly British woman who has never climbed a mountain in my life (Snowdon once on the train!!) & I can totally understand why the fact of a mountain being there, which in 1924 had never been conquered would be a challenge to someone like Mallory. Macfarlane's descriptions of the mountains are so vivid, he brings them alive. I am so glad he was found....I have yet to investigate if Irvine has been?
No, Irvine has not been found.
@@dougdavis8986 Thank you.
Love the mountains; the size, altitude, solitude etc. Convinced they made it and slipped up on the way down in inclement weather. Sandy hasn’t been found yet, though of course unless a specific expedition, nobody really has the luxury to go off-rope and look. Hoping for the day they find him and the camera with summit snaps. These guys were a different breed.
Take care x
I loved your comment
There's photos of Irvine's body
I just started to watch this, totally Amazing that they found him after so many decade's. RIP Sir.
Im not a climber but I’m fascinated with the Mallory and Irvine story.
cejka30 ya same
Also the same.
makes sense, in the same way those who are not astronauts are fascinated by the moon landing...
I've been into farting for 5 years and I find this interesting.
@@youvandal411vm Fucken weirdo
Great to here this story, Dave Hahn is a legend too, and very respectful of his (our) hero. Thanks for posting. Respect to all involved ( from a humble modern summiteer who has some idea what was involved)
Tyfys
Thanks, Dave. Great expedition, well conducted, and as respectfully as anyone could do. Congratulations on your discovery and for filling us all in a bit more. Take care, amigo.
I think George Mallory (and Irvine) would want the world to know their story, whether or not they made it to the summit of Everest,
Of course they would. Mountaineers are some of the biggest narcissists in the history of ever! Every single thing they do and live for is themselves!
I remember the morning we heard the news! We were SO excited and happy! Great job, all of you.
Excellent conversation. I appreciate the understatement. This guy sounds like he would be easy to work around.
I think Mallory wanted his story to come off the mountain. They deserve their place in history and this expedition (to retrieve as much information as they could) would have been appreciated by Mallory and Irvine. Hopefully Irvine can be found with more information give.
He would have. Climbing 8000s is always also a ego and fame thing.
I believe the team did the right thing Mallory probably wanted his story to be told so to do that you have to disturb his body but they respectfully put him to rest and said a real nice prayer that’s the best anyone can do so they did a damn good job.
Indeed. Thanks for your positive comment.
I think so to as this was his final resting place much respect to them for doing that
I dont think they "violated" George Mallory. If it wasnt for them he would still be lying in the open, exposed to the ravages of Everest & of time.... lost. They treated him with the utmost dignity & respect. I think after giving his life for discovery & for Everest, he would want his story told.
I agree completely, and I am reasonably certain George Mallory would agree too.
They violated his body for sure. Read Into the Silence. Changed my view on this crew for sure
@@bobarcher5837 What happened? I can't access the book
@@MarieJesne Basically the full footage of them finding his body shows them treating it disrespectfully, hacking at the ice and tearing fibres from his clothes. At one point a guy stands on Mallory's leg while attempting to yank his torso out of the ice. They buried him and said a prayer, but then a couple weeks later two guys from the team went back and dug him up. The author of the book says they clearly had more interest in recovering artifacts and evidence than they did in treating him with dignity
@SteveHart1859 Ya the author mentions a few of them by name but I can’t remember them now. It wasn’t the whole team that treated him with disrespect, but several did
George Mallory and Andrew Irvine will always be immortal! Imagine getting within a couple of hundred metres of the summit wearing nothing but Tweed! No guides, no pre prepared ropes, no ladders with a whole backup team. Thise was before Summiting Everest was relatively easy. Legends and immortal forever will be remembered and maybe just maybe they made it and the camera will prove it... ❤
You're going up there to die....
Mallory: No. I'm going up there to live!
Rip
Funny how life works!
And he died...
Reporter: "Why do you want to climb Everest Mr Mallory?"
GLM: "Because it is there."
These people experienced so much death in their lives, with the Great War. The moments spent being alive, to them, was worth more than life itself.
You are an absolute legend Dave, much respect.
Yes, everyone should know Mr. Hahn is a legend. And they honored Mallory well. I fully believe he would have been very satisfied with the decisions they made about him.
Cool story , very interesting ! In some ways it doesn't matter to me if they made it ,they where very brave men with marginal equipment.
Same
Agree. And no one to set ladders and cables to cushion your ascent and descent
Brilliant interview on such a great time in history on Everest
Wonderful interview with an adventurer/explorer of our time! There were moments when I wished I could better hear the comments of the interviewer. Lots of fantastic information! Thanks for taking the time to upload thie entire interview...much appreciated!!
The team that found him were a group of gentlemen and did the right thing. The knew how to go about it the correct way. I think mallory would have been pleased that this group found him.
Yes i think the same. They were respectful, they cared about the entire situation and knew the signifigance. Me being me i wonder what his face looked like just because it is interesting but i am glad they didnt film it and glad that they did all they needed and buried him without having to exhume him later. Mallory and irvine are legendary men and these guys understood that. Hats off to all involved. I know its a far shot but yo find irvine and the camera if it is still possible would be amazing. I am mindblown that these guys made it to 27k feet when they did.
When you find out the truth about what they did, your opinion will change.
@@alanluscombe8a553 well they actually went back a few days later and actually took his body and lifted it and had someone crawl underneath to see.
@@Ep0nz Exactly, the camera man got under him to take a picture of his face. That's how it was discovered his head injury. Sad they took pictures of his whole face, said it was perfectly preserved even could see his wiskers. Very sad they left him naked put rocks on him. They didn't need to take his clothes off him. They also didn't have permission to do anything to George Mallory. That's why they said OMG we thought it was Irvine. The Irvine family gave permission to do that if they found him. They thought Sandy caused the fall but in fact Mallory fell first. I think Mallory might have fallen a little and was slightly injured and Irvine was bay laying George. Then the rope snapped and he fell. Irvine I'm not sure about, I honestly think if he wasn't injured he definitely would have made it back to camp 6. He wouldn't just give up if he wasn't injured.
@@Bella.216 it’s all very fishy. I feel like they both had to of been injured, because they had others at camp 6 that could literally see them for a little.
But yes, extremely sad what they did to George Mallory. Just another example of what greed will do to people. He should of been left where he lay, it’s what he would of wanted, to be part of the mountain. I honestly had no idea about all of this until I saw the video of the man speaking up about this incident, not sure if you know what I’m talking about or not.
I just feel bad for Irving, he is still out there somewhere
He doesn’t know this. It’s just his earth body which is worthless
I think he feel on the Chinese side
Thom Pollard on Everest Mysteries, posted an interview with a man who was allowed to tour a Chinese climbing museum. He saw things there that led him to further investigation on whether or not Chinese climbers actually found Sandy and removed his body. Some people think that may have happened, check it out.
@@retriever19golden55I can see the Chinese finding something but why on earth would you remove the body.
Thank you and the whole crew of gentlemen that solved part of a great mystery. It may be a case of finding Irving in 50 or 100 years in the future. Thank you
What a truly great story from Dave Hahn. Really told it like it was. Gives great insight to the real courage of Mallory and Irvine. Did they make it, I guess we’ll never know for sure but to think of what these guys were attempting back in 1925 ....Inspiring story.
I think Irvine body has taken a trip. He ended up in the snow, and has been covered or has fallen down and is throughly entombed in the glacier.
But damn wouldn’t it be something to find that camera and get it successfully developed....
Yes!!
There's photos of Irvine's body
@@jquest43 Mallorys body?
Although there are reports from people who may have seen Irvines....there are only alleged images from aerial photos that may contain a body... but so far it’s always ended up being a shadow or trick of the light.
@@avrolancaster6987 I got screenshots which I blew up..its a human body..its most likely irvine.
@@avrolancaster6987 they found mallory..no,the body they photographed, most likely is Irvine as it's in the fall trajectory from the pick axe and mallory.the problem is snow has covered up this area.
I’ve kicked it around a lot and have finally convinced myself that Mallory and Irvine Did Summit !
I choose to believe that, even though I have no evidence or knowledge, I just want to believe they did.
I believe they summited also. As do others.
The fact these guys made it to that zone and facturing in the discovery is legendary,wether George and Andrew met there demise on the way up or down is immaterial,for that Era is astonishing,well done to all concerned you are all Legends.
I would be one of the bodies on the mountain if I tried this.
Hopefully someday they'll find Irvine, and continue this story, with maybe more items that will help.
You have better chances of finding a lost man on the Moon . They found Mallory by pure chance .
@@armandojuan64 Did they not find him due to a tip from the Chinese who potentially have the camera?
@@1984isHereNow yup a decade or so after the Chinese spotted his body
@@Trillogical more like 24 years
@@Trillogical Yeah, I heard about a decade to, quite possible they found the camera and took it/
Awesome interview!! Love hearing from these guys.
Thank you for watching. He's a good speaker.
Thanks for this very touching interview
Exceptionally well spoken and insightful -thank you
The story of Mallory and Irvine is so captivating and the question did they summit still lives on. I for myself think they did because Mallory said he would place a picture of his wife on the summit. That picture wasn't on him or in his wallet that the searchteam found. So probably Irvine has the camera but his remains haven't been found yet. They were 2 great men with a dream and even summiting in this early years of mountaineering with their fragile oxygen system and without high tech equipment would be an amazing archievement even when dying on the descend.
Great interview. Great story. Deserves a feature film.
pretty incredible experience to participate in
Great interview!!!!!!
Amazing testimony!
Outstanding interview/ greatly appreciated
George Mallory would want the world to know what happened and they honoured him. If they can find Irvine we find the camera and we know. 1924 it's absolutely balls to the wall, no ladders no ropes they are legends they what I call doers, to get up to the heights even if they did not get to the summit was massive as they pioneered everest. I'm not a climber but Im so interested in these 2, Irvine was supposed to be not very experienced as he was 21 but that's why it makes this even more special, I believe people back then were a different. Let's find this guy.
You did the right thing. Mallory & Irvine would have wanted the world to know their story, in life and death. I have no doubt in my mind about that.
Great interview. I learned a lot about George Mallory and Andrew Irvine’s attempt (or success) at climbing Mt. Everest in 1924. Who knew?
We only hear of Hillary at the summit in the 1950’s.
Excellent interview.
I believe that Mallory fell once around that Ice axe. But he only fell a little, Irvine tried to pull him up but rope snapped and his ice axe hits him and he falls to where they found him. That's why his body wasn't mangle up and he was able to self arrest.
Fascinating stuff. I'd seen the Anker video years ago and found that guy a to be bit too pleased with himself. This guy more down to earth, and as respectful about the process as could be hoped for. So the starting point was the 1975 camp location, but he didn't close that loop to confirm whether the location of the body would or would not have been visible from the camp location. Is the implication that the body was spotted at great distance with binoculars? Or if it was so close to be visible without binoculars, why does he say Mallory and Irvine were on a much more difficult route (ie than the chinese route of '75 which I assume is the easiest route in that area?).
6:44 Very telling about the difference between the climbers of 1924 and "modern" times . Look at the way Mallory was geared up for Everest & the way his discoverers were geared up. I bet there is no way in hell that modern climbers would take on Everest with the same stuff & the same way Mallory did.
I like to think they made the summit. I have always found Mallory fascinating. The pic of his wife? Hope Irving is found not as much for more proof, he deserves the same respect and burial as his partner. He has been lost, alone, too long.
George i think could have appreciate the team and Dave respect and emotions
why would anyone dislike a video like this one , i m just wondering ?!!
Great interview .. it takes a big man to admit his error re mallory’s capability..
Agreed! I appreciated that he credits Mallory with having the capability to reach the top. His friends apparently saw him do other climbs that people have attempted today and great climbers have made his time... So he was apparently a quite capable climber.
People who are at the very top of their game are really the only ones that can appreciate the skills of others. This chap is quite a bloke!
10:15 “Initially, we made the mistake of assuming that he was dead”. Idk why i thought he was going to say that.
Was Mallory dead?
They assumed the deceased was Irvine
There are those who feel as if Mallory is being deprived of a 'proper' burial, and there are those who feel that to disturb him would be to desecrate a legendary existence and defile what essentially amounts to a shrine. Ultimately, as one of the first two of his kind, he shares a very distinctive place of eternal rest with relatively few others. Most people who aren't cremated end up in the cold, damp earth. Comparatively, as pioneers, George Mallory and Andy Irvine each have places of final repose that rank among the most distinguished ever given a person.
24 years ago, today, GLM was found. RIP
It would have been nice to hear what questions the interviewer was asking. I do believe that Mallory and Irvine reached the summit of Mount Everest and something went wrong on their way down.
@Hans Moleman Productions more like he fell out of control and hit himself with his axe.....
@Hans Moleman Productions that sounds terrifying lmao
@Hans Moleman Productions a serious brawl above 8000m :-) thats really funny. You definitely never have been above 4000m. Believe everyone who has been at that height. All the energy is needed to survive and even that is difficult. You dont even think about something like arguing or even fighting. IT would look like underwater dancing.
Baloney. Mallory was drinking hard when he reached the summit top. He passed out and froze to death. Sad but true.
@@listrahtes I got AMS the first time I went above 4000m... The sad part is that I knew better, but had traveled straight from about 400m in about 24hrs and was too excited about checking off some peaks. The highest I'd been before that was a touch over 2000m, and I just figured my young fit body could take it... Nope.
within 10seconds of hearing his voice I just get that video flash into my mind instantly XD
2nd time watching. impressed again. a good one!
They had to take photographs and at least try to search the body. Mallory was a courageous man and his story needed to be told as completely as possible.
I choose to believe, within evidence or actual knowledge, that George fell on his way back down from the summit.
Great job guys how cool is that
Great story but needs pictures in there from time to time
I am accumulating an extensive insane research about Mount Everest. i hope the best.
Very interesting, thank you.
Thanks Dave
For anyone new to Mallory and Irvine. All you'll hear on most documentaries, is the 2nd step, the 2nd step, the 2nd step!
There's evidence to suggest Mallory wouldn't have taken the ridge route and simply traversed underneath and taken the Norton/Great Couloir route, seen as Norton had achieved an altitude record there shortly before.
With regards to Mallory's body. A lot of these expedition members (not all) were clueless and basically desecrated Mallory's body, during their bumbling "search".
They even returned a second time after the filmed "burial" and dug him up, pulled him off the ground and crawled under his body and may have photographed his face, then sloppily "buried" him again.
There's also plenty of suspicion, as to what artifacts were found, kept and used and how, etc. They also didn't search the body for summit rocks, which would have been a huge indicator as to whether they summited or not.
Every word you wrote = speculation and/or utter nonsense.
@@dogsmusicbookstravelsciencethat’s not true there are people who have dedicated their lives to researching him. Thom pollard is the one who returned and disrespected Mallory after Hahn and his team buried him. There is strong evidence to suggest that Mallory took the Norton route
I believe my brother, climber, Paul Pfau, has been to Everest at least 4 times. He's a quiet person, to say the least, like mountain climbers can be - there's a great video in which he talks to the Advernturer's Club about his quest to find out more about George Mallory : ruclips.net/video/joHs8CZqK4w/видео.html
Dude reminds me of Billy Nershi from the String Cheese Incident!! Awesome work though, amazing finding George there!! I believe he did summit, BUT doesn't matter if you don't come back down. RIP and thank you!!
It absolutely does matter if you don't come back down, they were still the first men to ever climb to the top of the world .. bizarre to claim that it doesn't matter as if it never happened just because they didn't get down safely.
They still stood on the roof of the world = mission accomplished.
Interview questions :
05:29
How did he let you guys know? Was it a big shout, was it a ..
06:30
So when you hear that code from Anker ..
08:45
So he was face down ..
11:30
So you found your Tutankhamun, really ..
11:34
So how did you know it was .. just go through that .. I know how it was .. you were talking about it .. to prove that it was not Irvine .. and Mallory .. what was the magic moment that you discovered it?
13:57
So once you discovered him, you were .. you buried him ..
16:00
So you got all that excitement, you buried him ..
17:27
So tell us how it became an internet sensation .. what was the sort of rough sort of path?
22:15
It's a difficult one, isn't it? I mean, let's just say you're never gonna please everybody, but .. 20 years later, how do you feel about it all? I mean, obviously it is a big .. quite a sensational part of your life, really .. you know, because, I guess you grew up and he was a hero of yours .. to finally discover and put, not all the jigsaw together, but a large part of it ..
23:31
Would be nice to know though one day, wouldn't it?
Thank you very much, John!
saying Mallory made it is like mentioning Skull and bones at yale , of course he made it , it was dark coming down , thats how they missed the stashed bottle below the first step just before they fell
For sure
Fantastic story ! I hope there is a camera w/film found someday that tells more of the story.
I believe the Chinese claim to have found him and the camera, but say they were unable to develop the film.
If you know exactly what route they took then it really shouldn't be too hard to find Irvine if we can get some good snow melt and I've always wondered about the status of the other end of the rope that was tied around Mallory's waste and just thought I'd mention I couldn't make it to base camp wearing what Mallory was wearing
They will never find Irvine. He's buried under alot of snow and rock.
he could have fallen about 10,000 ft down the East face, or he couldn't have fallen all the way down the North face and is in the Rongbuk glacier
@@risenshine5346 Some speculate that if the Chinese found him, and found the camera, and if there was evidence that they had reached the Summit, then perhaps they covered it up, for some damn reason.... I guess we will never find out....
No.... Irvine’s body was about 150m off the N trail over 50yrs ago... the Chinese threw him off the mountain; just like my former climbing partner and his group (his second summit) threw Green Boots off the mountain circa 2012/2013. It’s bad for business for custies to SEE the bodies
I have the most faith in Daves honesty of those that were on that expedition in 1999, but why didn't they search for summit rocks on Mallory?
He mentioned the spot they located Mallory was an easy slip 8000 ft. Down. Wouldn't it make sense to start a 2nd expedition down at that glacier? If the two were separated one has to be above and one below. Probably hit a storm. Lost the route. One slipped over the other hunkered back into the rocks and nested until it was too late.
Almost certainly tethered together. Mallory had extreme rope injuries around his waist from rope jerk.
@@ryans9029 the ropes were cut supposedly. Did you not watch bbc documentary of them founding him?
I saw where george mallory 11 , summited everest in 1995, with an American team. Ge6s the son of John mallory, george Mallory's son. I thought that was neat. You might already know, but i had to mention it.
I'd love to see what was clipped out when he was speculating if they were on the summit.
What question made me think is - not wether Mallory summit or not but.......
1.Why he was descending from different new route when it was night ??(if it's night he should rather bivouac and return from normal route next day)
2. Why did he left Irvin behind on ridge??(as Chinese found him in sleeping bag)(he might got altitude sickness; but if so then Mallory must have camera with him?)🧐🤔
They was tethered and mallory slipped....Irvine was forced to cut mallory free to save himself.
The Chinese found Irvine?
@@panderson9561 a Chinese 1960 climb claimed to of seen a body in a decaying sleeping bag. Which is a strong possibility of it being Irvine. If this was the case and Irvine was forced to bivouac, Mallory may of summited alone. But then the whole camera thing doesn’t make sense for Irvine to have them before the summit attempt. I’m pretty sure they both had a camera and they did take sleeping bags with them for the summit attempt.
If the Chinese did indeed see Irvine and he has the cameras, then that’s pretty strong evidence that the summit was made, whether the film can be developed or not. Why else would Mallory give him his camera? I think Irvine cut himself free from Mallory after an accident and was forced to bivouac as it was possibly dark, then passed away!
So the story is that despite burying him under rocks etc, these guys went back up a few days later, removed the rocks and really went to town on the body?
Like necrophilia ?
@@doppelbanger5797 😂😂😂😂
They had to be sure the camera wasn't there.
Great video!!! Subtitles for the interview questions would be even better.
Watch this 2021,dave did The right thing,
Always a good idea in an interview to use two mikes (also one for the interviewer).
I think there intentions were to honor George Mallory and I don’t believe they disturbed him because George Mallory is not there only his earthly body.
from how he describes it, it seems they were actively looking for Mallory and Irvine, but when they found mallory that's the moment they began to discuss what to do with him. I just don't understand why that hadn't been decided long before, when they were at home planning the trip. And It seems that they hadn't even asked Mallory's family (his children were still alive?!) what THEY thought should be done. Surely that should be the first thing they did before even setting off for the Himalayas? It seems that Mallory and Irvine are public property because they died on the mountain.
Agreed, in all honesty this expedition was not at all prepared to actually succeed in finding either body.
None of this is true. They had contact with the families beforehand and they did what Mallory's family ask: to conduct a service, which consisted of reading Psalm 103 and a prayer.
You did nothing wrong in examining Mallory, you helped him finish his expedition. Yes looking at all the facts known about the progress of Mallory and Irvine, I believe they made the summit and fell on the way down, eternity will tell
Very interesting!
In my nearly 62 years on this planet, a big chunk of it spent on mountains and in wilderness, I have learned one thing the hard way: no matter what the event...no matter what the situation, there is always going to be a mob of sniveling bitches who will offended and indignant over said event. This expedition did not dishonor Mallory in any way, shape, or form. A historical figure with intelligence and an almost inhuman dedication to the task at hand, I somehow can't help but think that Mallory himself would have approved. It is quite unfortunate that no evidence was uncovered that would shed light on whether the two climbers had summited Everest or didn't. Perhaps someday Irvine's remains will be discovered and with it the missing camera that many believe to be the key to the story.