I like to think that Mallory made it to the top. Not to take anything away from what Sir Edmund accomplished: I mean, Sir Edmund made it to the top AND down, alive and in one piece which is the most important part. But I like to think that, before he died, Malllory got to see the view from the top.
@kayper54 It is very like that he did, although there is no photographic that either him, Irvine, or both of them made it to the top, nor did they live to tell their story. It seems he died while descending already late in the night, exhausted from the climb, yet trying to desperately make it to the camp VI sliding down on his belly with a broken leg from the previous fall when the rope, still visible around his belly, snapped. His wife's photograph was not found with his remains; he had said he planned to leave it on the summit. It is possible that members of Chinese expedition in 1960 discovered Mallory's remains and searched the body half a century before this western "discovery". Did the famous Kodak camera disappear then, along with his ice-axe or it got lost/destroyed during the fall that night? Will we ever know the truth?
@@simaodocaminhao To be fair there's no photographic evidence of Sir Edmund Hillary ever being on the summit either. The only person from that expedition who has such evidence is Tenzing Norgay.
@ ,STFU Doug,It's not in any way reminiscent of Scott's expedition and never will be,no matter how many times you copy and paste the same asinine comment .
Oh my gosh that's amazing. I've been reading this story for years. Thanks for posting this. I can't believe how far up they got, even if not all the way, using what they did and wearing those things. Incredible achievement.
Whether of not Mallory reached the top which I believe he did, you have to admire his determination to get there, he was probably the first person who really wanted to climb Everest
@Tony Lawrence i don't think it was irrational. Was Alex Honnolds decision to free solo El Cap irrational? He knew the risk and knew he was ready to take the risk. He could've died but it wouldn't have changed anything about his intentions. If Mallory survived nobody would say what you said
The best mountaineers team ever, was the crew of 1921-1924. With Norton, Odell, Sommervell, Mallory & Irvine and other braves. In my opinion the best performances mountaineers ever did. A journey into the unknown and one of the best adventure stories.Even though, they didn't make it to the summit.
Why would you argue they didn’t make it? These days we have much more evidence to say they did and to say that the Chinese found and removed both bodies.
I've read the book that accompanies this documentary: I think they made it. Mallory was our climbing church spires when he was a little boy, and originally thought that climbing without oxygen was "unsporting, and therefore un-British."
Climbing the North Face of Mt. Everest always raises the question on whether or not Sir George Mallory succeeded in his attempt to summit Mt. Everest in 1924...Many climbers and historians believe he did!
+Terrance Hill I choose to believe that George Mallory did make the summit but died on the way down when it was dark after expending his oxygen. I believe that Andrew Irvine sacrificed his remaining oxygen for Mallory's summit bid in the vicinity of the second step. I do not believe that Irvine reached the summit and headed down after Mallory took off for the summit. Irvine may have died on the way down when he took the wrong path down in white-out conditions.
I believe Mallory knew he would likely not make it back down from the mountain. He at least knew it was a very strong possibility. And that was ok with him. His passion and calling outweighed his own sense of self preservation. Everyone dies very few really live.
Francys Arsentiev left her child at home ,after asking her son to choose whether she went or not, and attempted to climb with no oxygen even though she wasn't an experienced climber. Her husband died trying to find her leaving the children parentless. These are the actions of selfish and egotistical narcicists and never should be lauded, death or glory doesn't belong in parenthood, go do it but don't have kids.
no, he had turned around before and would have done it again! odell noted his last sighting of them as "at the final step before the pyramid" at 12:50... if they were at the third step at 12:50 they were on track to reach the summit before mallory`s cuttoff time at 16:00.
@@vmm5163 Nothing indicates that they made a reckless attempt. The spotting time of the duo by Odell puts them on time for climbing down safely. Yes they died, but nothing proves they pushed up to the top recklessly at the cost of their lives. That is the romantic view. Most likely they suffered severe life threatening high altitude sickness on the way down, and in an attempt to save their lives rushed down with lack of coordination symptoms which lead each of them to have separate accidents. Would it surprise you that accidents do happen on Everest or it that a shocking surprise to you ?
The body the Chinese climber described is Irvine for sure! At 8150 meters, near to the route the 1975 Chinese expedition took, curled up next to a rock, extensive damage to his head, and his clothes being worn away by the weathering like Mallory's. That is pretty much a map drawn out for us to follow! Let's find him already!
Pill Box Irvine's remains have been reported to be wedged between two rocks with his toes pointed towards the summit higher up on the mountain than Mallory's.
+Pill Box i have no idea why you are posting factually incorrect claims (attention? Didn't your mommy love you?) but you are flat wrong when you claim the bodies are at the bottom of the mountain.
@@stevesanzari7294 I think I might have been referring to the doco being well made. Gee Steve it was 7 years ago. I can barely remember what I did last year let alone 7 years ago. Take care man
Among the discourse I have observed concerning the possibility of the camera carried by Mallory and Irvine could hold a recoverable image if found, a family story gives me cause for optimism. Twenty-odd years ago, a relative stumbled upon a very old Browning Box camera in an old trunk stored in a less than archival-quality attic. It contained a single recoverable image: my late paternal grandparents together with my Father and Uncle. The boys were 2 and three years old respectively. Since my Father was born in 1934 we have a reasonable date for the photo that was printed from the negative. If, as recently as 2 decades ago, I was able to look upon the face of my beloved Grandmother from a photo of such remarkable provenance, there is hope for the camera on Everest. The dry air and extreme temperatures seem to give me even more hope. I would dearly love to have the world rewrite the history of Everest, and for Mallory and Irvine to claim what I hope is their rightful place in the annals!
It would be great if the photos could be processed, but even if they can't we might be able to guess they reached the summit by how the film was wound on inside the camera. If it's not wound on to the end we'd have to say they didn't make it
@@vmm5163 I hadn't even thought of that. The entire human history on Everest could be rewritten if only Irvine's remains could be found. Considering the fate of Uli Steck's remains after his fatal fall, I don't expect a satisfactory resolution to the enduring mystery even if his remains are found. It struck me as quite extraordinary that Mallory was found so intact.
@@DarwinsmomHave you seen this video below? The channel owner makes some really interesting comments throughout his comments section about how the 1999 party who found Mallory may have destroyed evidence of the stones in his pocket and lost the hands from his watch/(altimeter?) etc. It's definitely unacceptable how they treated Mallory's body. ruclips.net/video/I_vx9CbD7rk/видео.html
I used to be into film photography and i can tell you that the best environment to preserve undevelopped film is dry and cold. Everest is actually the perfect place and i'd say that there's a good chance humanity will some day find the damn camera and if it contains negative exposures of the summit they will be glorious and clean, not worn and faded in any way. But this might happen in 100 years or even 500 years from now.
I saw this when it was first aired in the UK and until then, I had no idea who George Mallory was. Thank you so much for posting it because it really is an incredible story and a fantastic achievement....
I want to thank him for being a Public servant in showing How Stupid it is to Climb Mt. Everest and how it still doesn’t help the World Problems by doing so !
I'm skeptical that the two of them made it to the summit. The relatively primitive nature of their gear, the oxygen supply they had available, the uncertainty surround Noel Odell's observation, and most of all the difficulty of the second step relative to the reported ability of the two climbers all speak against them having reached the summit. From the rope marks around Mallory's waist and the location where his body was found, it seems most likely Irvine and Mallory were roped together when a fall occurred somewhere near where Irvine's ice axe was found. There's no way to know for sure when the fall occurred, but I would speculate they turned around and were on the way back down either due to running out of oxygen or being rebuffed by the difficulty of ascending the second step. Amazing achievement nonetheless to have made it that high on the mountain. Thanks for posting this program. I had watched it when it originally aired and it is fascinating watching it again. It was moving watching how emotional the team was upon finding Mallory's remains. A very human moment.
Robert's right, Mallory and Irvine went to the corridor that Sommerville and Norton reached earlier in the expedition without oxygen. But Mallory and Irvine did have oxygen to go even higher from there. He took the zig zag route up, not the 2nd step. Mallory's body location does not correspond at all with a fall from where Irvine's axe was found. Check Jake Norton HD map of everest with the artifacts locations. Irvine axe was found much further along the ridge on the way that leads down the mountain. This means Mallory died first on the way down. It's possible he had a brain edema, a brain swelling and Irvine didn't. Then mallory decided his only hope was a fast descend to much lower altitude and so he chose a fast risky route down and fell. Then Irvine continue down alone on the safer route but inexperienced got lost and god knows where he ended up, probably somewhere that is neither a good route for going up or down, hence is not found. You'd have to search the routes that leads to dead ends to find him.
I've always wanted to believe they made it. watching the movie: the wildest dream, at -20 degrees while testing out mallory and Irvine's gear lead to bad frostbite for conrad anchor and his climbing partner. makes me wonder if they could of made it in the clothing they wore in 1924. i so hope they find proof one day that they made it. i fell in love with this entire story. & they never found Mallory's photo of his wife. did he bury it in the snow on the summit? (maybe hillary found it and discarded it quickly, although that's just a baseless assumption.)
+RonnyUniverse i should think that even if Mallory reached the summit and left the photo on the summit...the winds would have dislodged it or new layers of snow covered. i dont think they did...only because of the gear they had on...those very big oxygen tanks and the hillary step would have probably be a huge obstacle.
That they made it as far as they did, only 800ft from the summit (!), with the technology they had at the time, says everything that needs to be said imo. They're already legends, summit or not.
Given their primitive equipment and the obvious fact that they screwed up royally, I think it's more than likely they never made it. Until Irvine's body is found, it remains an open question to what happened, so it's can be fun to speculate, but the odds are against them making it to the summit. So many expeditions with newer technology never made it to the summit 30 years after Mallory and Irvine's failure, and you would have to factor in that Mallory and Irvine would have been in uncharted territory and did not have enough oxygen, which would have slowed their progress.
There is no evidence that George Mallory made to the summit, but he was a great climber. I think he would have made summit and reached back safely if he had sherpas with him.
1st we have 1975 that Wag Bao a Chinese climber found a European body between 2200 or 2300 meters above sea level. Flesh was very soft when he poked the cheek on the mans face. Before he could tell others and send a party to the location. He was killed by an avalanche along with several other members of his crew.
do you think it at all possible that this was mallory and he since then had been dislodged somehow and thus sliding to his final resting place? or is this too improbable and that body must have been irvine?
Just a quick post to address something I see in the comments - some people are wrongly stating that Mallory and Irvine did NOT use oxygen. This is entirely false (the video even notes their use of oxygen). Andrew “Sandy”Irvine was an early sort of tech genius, and he knew exactly how to operate the somewhat fickle early-20s oxygen tanks. One of the original tanks that belonged to them was found not long after the ‘22 disaster. This video is done well, and it gives us a the glimpse into Mallory’s incredible fighting spirit.
It's a BBC documentary so it's about as good as you get!! I hope somebody makes a film about this one day... Similar to the Scott of the Antartic film who again died in his quest to be the first to reach his destiny.
Appearances can be deceiving... Plus, Mallory's body was found in a position which suggest he was on his way back, and he didn't have his wife's photo on him which he promised he would leave at the top
The first full ascent was Tenzing and Hillary: up to the top and safely down. However it is likely Mallory and Irvine had made it to the summit late on that day in 1924. One had the technique, the other the strength, both a real obsession with that mountain. They just came back in the night and in the snow and, disoriented, fell or went to sleep. Nobody knew then what the "death zone" does to a climber's brain.
I can't imagine climbing in a time when outdoor gear was so minuscule and under researched and unavailable it seems as if climbing in a pair of penny loafers and Tweed jackets might have made this experience just a wee bit tougher
The Hillary step? I think your refering to the second step. The Hillary step is located on the south side of Everest. Which was named after sir Edmund Hillary and Tenzing Norgay
@simonthenarwhal ... Great ! Its sad that they didnt find the Kodak Camera. But i think your great grandfather, the great Mallory really got the peak. He was a trully brave man. Congrats.
Seeing how he was found without the oxygen equipment leads me to believe that they may have made the summit and used and finished the oxygen tanks they showed he had. So after finding his official corpse that he probably did summit seeing how his goggles were put away means he was going on his way down and the goggles were no longer needed and put away. I imagine him on his way down only to fall and fractured both his legs and unable to get down after that
Mallory and Irvine first to summit Everest June 8 1924 Odell sees them by the third step on the snow crest right before the start of the summit pyrmaid. 100% made it died on the descent.
@@stevesanzari7294 Not necessarily, it depends where on the moutain it is. If exposed to winds or securely became part of permanent ice that preserved it.
just reading Wade Davis' "Into the silence", a history of the 1921, 22 and 24 expeditions of Mallory and co. Incredibly detailed and interesting account.
Too bad there aren't any pics of the axe as it was found before being touched . How deep is the snow on the summit itself ? and if the picture had been placed by Mallory would it be buried deep under the drift , slide off w storm winds or just deteriorate over time in weather conditions ? Are there pinpointed areas of interest that possibly the Sandy Irvine body could be searched ?And why is it so hard to locate a body on this mountain with all the technology now even if u fell in a crevasse would that not be detectable ? I understand u can only fly so high or climb to areas w some sense of safety but I really am curious why it hasn't been done . Thank you for baring through all my questions... I proabably could of just Googled 🙄them lol thank you for sharing this video too , I think this is the second time watching 🤩😍
I recommend to anyone the wonderful recent (2009) book by novelist Jeffrey Archer, "Paths of Glory", a fictionalized account of Mallory's life and the Everest summit attempts. Archer clearly believes that George Mallory made it to the summit, and gives a tremendous portrayal of this extraordinary man.
Kat, I am afraid of heights and I don’t have the money to pay the Sherpas to make my lattes and carry me. Why don’t you see if you could do it without Sherpas?
Sadly I'm 99.99% for sure that "Sandy" isn't on that mountain. I believe when Mallory fell the second time Irvine fell off the north face. I've been what you could call obsessed with Mallory and Irvine for many years. I have researched any and everything that has been written, books, blogs, and the expedition fight for Everest. It's probably unhealthy hobby but for me it became more of what actually happened up there that day to cause the fall's. Finding Irvine had he been on the mountain would provide forensic clues how Sandy died. Sadly he has been searched for so many times, the whole northern face. Sadly I hope I'm wrong but it's looking like I'm right
@@Bella.216 You may well be obsessed with the mystery of Mallory & Irvine. But that’s what it is a mystery. A mystery that has so far been unsolved. How can you say that your 99.99% sure that Irvine fell off the North face? Pure speculation on your part this. We know for definite that Mallory fell, Irvine’s body is no doubt still up there despite all the searches. Nobody can undertake a thorough search of the North face of Everest at 26,000ft.
@@Bella.216 To second kevin brookes, nothing proves mallory fell twice. Irvine's axe location indicates Irvine lived longer and walked further down the mountain. Being inexperienced he probably dropped the axe and got lost alone and went a dead end way where no expedition will ever go to find him. And i do think that knowing he wouldn't make it, he probably preserved the camera's in a secure place in his last moments and will come on top of us all the day he is found.
they found mallory i wonder if they ever found irving mummys are always eerie to me you often wonder what there life before there death was like all that unknown history
Mallory is climbing top hes the first person summit Everest . But at that year technology problem no wireless radio . That's y no one know that ..he return summit he falling down for extreme weather problem..
I am still very sad in a way, that this mountain's original names in tibet and nepalese have been just "deleted" by... some Gentlemen who tried this extremely difficult task and managed first (sincere congratulations to all of them yes but) like they needed to conquer it and give it an english name.??.. no surprise after all, europeans conquering and giving names to things and people who already had one in their own language.... Pretending that it is for the good when it is just... disrespectful. Weird thing, this old animal attitude, humans pretending to be civilised when giving new names to old things who has already names. names mean a lot. imagine that, everytime you meet a new person, and you give him/her a name.
It wasn’t even named after one of the men who climbed the mountain. It was named after a British surveyor. I somewhat agree with your argument but your kinda wrong. In English it’s Everest. People from that region have their own name for it. Chumulungma or something close to that. So did they officially rename it kinda but not really it just depends who your asking. It’s like is soccer football or vise verse
Uhh...why would the Chinese risk their lives to hide those cameras? The British Empire and Nepal would still officially be the first at the top instead of the British Empire being first at the top. And which Chinese? The Republic of China or the People's Republic of China?
@@Edax_Royeaux it's very suspicious that the only two articles that would prove M&I reached the summit happen to be missing. I don't feel easy about that tbh
Odell saw them going up, and i believe they made to the top,too close not to go for it, then to tired to make it down safely---------warriors to the end---rip
From what i red and what i know as an amateur climber,Mallory's mistake was taking irvine with him.irvine was young & inexperienced. Noel odell,shouldve been the right one.
The only reason that Irvine was there was because he knew how to fix and put together oxygen tanks because he was an engineer but other than that Mallory really didn’t need him. Irvine had zero mountaineering experience. He was a green hornet and Mallory had to constantly keep watching after him.
Irvine probably died a virgin because he was only 22 when he died. Do you think that Irvine got to experience the only fish on earth that smells like a fish but taste like chicken. 😂 😂 😂
Climbing Everest in a singe breasted jacket? And a linen shirt? I don't want to hear about what a tough guy you are, you didn't climb Everest in a suit.
I move in circles where I run into the odd person who has climbed Everest (They like to bring it up over dinner like it matters.). I politely let them finish their tale, then I ask them, "Yeah but did you Lazarus up off that mountain twice like that bad ass pathologist from Texas? No, I don't think that you did. Shut up and eat your steak, son.". I'm now going to add linen shirts and suit jackets to my "shut the fuck up, no one cares," rant, in the future.
Freddy Marcel-Marcum People aren't so stupid as to climb a mountain in a single breasted jacket or linen shirt and so don't end up becoming a frozen corpse at the bottom of a mountain like those fucking retards from the 20s.
@@billyo6710 Damn the man was probably trigger happy and intent on capturing many photos unlike Hilary who only took one picture. This tells me Irvine probably documented more than just the peak.
Mallory made it to the top, and would have made it down but for a few hours, if he was under the pyramid, and 500 meters form the top or so by Noel's first account, that's the 3 rd step unnamed at the time, plus he never intended to take the 1st or 2nd step, letters prove it, he planned to bypass both, no doubt he made it, sad he didn't make it back, but climbing with Irvine, young and not that experienced ,Noel my have been the better choice for climbing, but Irvine had already cut weigh, by ditching those very harness it the being of this video and other things he did to shave weight, ,, maybe we can one day find Irvine and solve this mystery, Mallory was a Legend
As much as I love the story, from all my research into this, I don't think that they made it. I just don't think that Mallory could have gotten Irving over the "Hillary" step. I hope someday that they find Irving's body.
I don't think they made it up the 2nd Step. It has been rated as so difficult that even Mallory would have a difficult time scaling it. Sandy Irvine was inexperienced. He was there for his knowledge of the oxygen bottles
03:35 This is the... WRONG BOOK monastery... (?) Sounds almost Zen or Taoist. ..."Right Books will not lead one to a monastery, my child. This is why we follow The Wrong Book in this monastery" :-)
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Golly they dressed like they were going for a picnic and short hike up some Welsh hill. Gotta admire their spirit and courage.
You’re Right Robin ! It’s Diabolica ! Dude Golly ? Really ?
That’s all that was available to them to wear. Amazing that they still tried it.
Actually, the stuff they were wearing was pretty good (even for modern standards). Only in good weather though ;-(
Even what Reinhold Messner weared on summiting all 8000s, without oxygen mask,
in the 70s wouldn’t be good enough for a dog walk nowadays.
@@holyfox94 True and Messner was "almost dead" when he came back down. He could have died just as well as survived.
I like to think that Mallory made it to the top. Not to take anything away from what Sir Edmund accomplished: I mean, Sir Edmund made it to the top AND down, alive and in one piece which is the most important part. But I like to think that, before he died, Malllory got to see the view from the top.
@kayper54 It is very like that he did, although there is no photographic that either him, Irvine, or both of them made it to the top, nor did they live to tell their story. It seems he died while descending already late in the night, exhausted from the climb, yet trying to desperately make it to the camp VI sliding down on his belly with a broken leg from the previous fall when the rope, still visible around his belly, snapped.
His wife's photograph was not found with his remains; he had said he planned to leave it on the summit. It is possible that members of Chinese expedition in 1960 discovered Mallory's remains and searched the body half a century before this western "discovery". Did the famous Kodak camera disappear then, along with his ice-axe or it got lost/destroyed during the fall that night? Will we ever know the truth?
@@simaodocaminhao To be fair there's no photographic evidence of Sir Edmund Hillary ever being on the summit either. The only person from that expedition who has such evidence is Tenzing Norgay.
@ ,STFU Doug,It's not in any way reminiscent of Scott's expedition and never will be,no matter how many times you copy and paste the same asinine comment .
We’ll Never Know ! One of The GREAT Mysteries of Life ! LOL !
If you don’t make it back alive you didn’t successfully climb the mountain
The high pitched noise in the audio gives me nostalgia for tube tv's
Yeah my ears were ringing.
Thank God im not the only one 🙏
That's your tinnitus :p
Oh my gosh that's amazing. I've been reading this story for years. Thanks for posting this. I can't believe how far up they got, even if not all the way, using what they did and wearing those things. Incredible achievement.
It’s Amazing to go up a Mountain that’s sure to Fucking Kill you ? What are you ? fucking Crazy !
@@stevesanzari7294 Human history is littered with the corpses of the brave.
@@mortalclown3812human progress and achievement is built on those corpses.
The Sir Galahad analogy is perfect for Mallory. Rest in paradise, G.M.
And Sandy, too.
R.I.P George Mallory and Andrew Irvine.
2 Dumb Asses ! What did they Accomplish ? Making Widows out of his Wife ?
@@flezo00 likewise, now buzz off!
Whether of not Mallory reached the top which I believe he did, you have to admire his determination to get there, he was probably the first person who really wanted to climb Everest
His determination could have been irrational, a decission against his better judgement.
@Tony Lawrence i don't think it was irrational. Was Alex Honnolds decision to free solo El Cap irrational? He knew the risk and knew he was ready to take the risk. He could've died but it wouldn't have changed anything about his intentions. If Mallory survived nobody would say what you said
RIP - you are discovered now! Such an inspiration
i loved this documentary!....please put it on TV again.
The best mountaineers team ever, was the crew of 1921-1924. With Norton, Odell, Sommervell, Mallory & Irvine and other braves. In my opinion the best performances mountaineers ever did. A journey into the unknown and one of the best adventure stories.Even though, they didn't make it to the summit.
Why would you argue they didn’t make it? These days we have much more evidence to say they did and to say that the Chinese found and removed both bodies.
I've read the book that accompanies this documentary: I think they made it. Mallory was our climbing church spires when he was a little boy, and originally thought that climbing without oxygen was "unsporting, and therefore un-British."
Absolutely amazing these great explorers, I include the first astronauts as well! Bravery beyond comprehension.
Climbing the North Face of Mt. Everest always raises the question on whether or not Sir George Mallory succeeded in his attempt to summit Mt. Everest in 1924...Many climbers and historians believe he did!
+Terrance Hill I choose to believe that George Mallory did make the summit but died on the way down when it was dark after expending his oxygen. I believe that Andrew Irvine sacrificed his remaining oxygen for Mallory's summit bid in the vicinity of the second step. I do not believe that Irvine reached the summit and headed down after Mallory took off for the summit. Irvine may have died on the way down when he took the wrong path down in white-out conditions.
I think so too
@ ,,In the scope of history,especially mountaineering history,It is relevant and absolutely meaningful.
I believe Mallory knew he would likely not make it back down from the mountain. He at least knew it was a very strong possibility. And that was ok with him. His passion and calling outweighed his own sense of self preservation. Everyone dies very few really live.
Kind of Stupid Don’t you Think ? Sounds Like Suicide by Stupidity !
He had 3 kids, I can't understand that attitude of I'll do what I want and to hell with everyone else.
Francys Arsentiev left her child at home ,after asking her son to choose whether she went or not, and attempted to climb with no oxygen even though she wasn't an experienced climber.
Her husband died trying to find her leaving the children parentless.
These are the actions of selfish and egotistical narcicists and never should be lauded, death or glory doesn't belong in parenthood, go do it but don't have kids.
no, he had turned around before and would have done it again!
odell noted his last sighting of them as "at the final step before the pyramid" at 12:50...
if they were at the third step at 12:50 they were on track to reach the summit before mallory`s cuttoff time at 16:00.
@@vmm5163 Nothing indicates that they made a reckless attempt. The spotting time of the duo by Odell puts them on time for climbing down safely. Yes they died, but nothing proves they pushed up to the top recklessly at the cost of their lives. That is the romantic view. Most likely they suffered severe life threatening high altitude sickness on the way down, and in an attempt to save their lives rushed down with lack of coordination symptoms which lead each of them to have separate accidents.
Would it surprise you that accidents do happen on Everest or it that a shocking surprise to you ?
On one side we all want to know, on the other hand the legend is beautiful as it is ...
Oh man I really do not miss the high pitch tone of old TV's
The body the Chinese climber described is Irvine for sure! At 8150 meters, near to the route the 1975 Chinese expedition took, curled up next to a rock, extensive damage to his head, and his clothes being worn away by the weathering like Mallory's. That is pretty much a map drawn out for us to follow! Let's find him already!
Even by today's standards, it's still difficult to climb a mountain. So how good were Mallory and Irvine to climb that in the 1920's?
Onmysheet They didn't do that climb in the 1920s. They ended up frozen corpses at the foot of a mountain.
Pill Box So where is Irvine's remains? If they died at foot he would have easily been found by now.
Onmysheet No, his corpse was broken into hundreds of pieces when he fell 5000 feet and since then, it's turned to dust and got blown into the wind.
Pill Box Irvine's remains have been reported to be wedged between two rocks with his toes pointed towards the summit higher up on the mountain than Mallory's.
+Pill Box i have no idea why you are posting factually incorrect claims (attention? Didn't your mommy love you?) but you are flat wrong when you claim the bodies are at the bottom of the mountain.
Thanks for posting this, I remember watching it when it was first broadcast
heart and soul, beautiful, so much for the post.. a wonderful doco
What the Fuck is so beautiful about Freezing to Death in a Frozen Wasteland ? You’re fucked up !
@@stevesanzari7294 I think I might have been referring to the doco being well made. Gee Steve it was 7 years ago. I can barely remember what I did last year let alone 7 years ago. Take care man
Among the discourse I have observed concerning the possibility of the camera carried by Mallory and Irvine could hold a recoverable image if found, a family story gives me cause for optimism. Twenty-odd years ago, a relative stumbled upon a very old Browning Box camera in an old trunk stored in a less than archival-quality attic. It contained a single recoverable image: my late paternal grandparents together with my Father and Uncle. The boys were 2 and three years old respectively. Since my Father was born in 1934 we have a reasonable date for the photo that was printed from the negative. If, as recently as 2 decades ago, I was able to look upon the face of my beloved Grandmother from a photo of such remarkable provenance, there is hope for the camera on Everest. The dry air and extreme temperatures seem to give me even more hope. I would dearly love to have the world rewrite the history of Everest, and for Mallory and Irvine to claim what I hope is their rightful place in the annals!
It would be great if the photos could be processed, but even if they can't we might be able to guess they reached the summit by how the film was wound on inside the camera. If it's not wound on to the end we'd have to say they didn't make it
@@vmm5163 I hadn't even thought of that. The entire human history on Everest could be rewritten if only Irvine's remains could be found. Considering the fate of Uli Steck's remains after his fatal fall, I don't expect a satisfactory resolution to the enduring mystery even if his remains are found. It struck me as quite extraordinary that Mallory was found so intact.
@@DarwinsmomHave you seen this video below? The channel owner makes some really interesting comments throughout his comments section about how the 1999 party who found Mallory may have destroyed evidence of the stones in his pocket and lost the hands from his watch/(altimeter?) etc. It's definitely unacceptable how they treated Mallory's body.
ruclips.net/video/I_vx9CbD7rk/видео.html
I used to be into film photography and i can tell you that the best environment to preserve undevelopped film is dry and cold. Everest is actually the perfect place and i'd say that there's a good chance humanity will some day find the damn camera and if it contains negative exposures of the summit they will be glorious and clean, not worn and faded in any way. But this might happen in 100 years or even 500 years from now.
I saw this when it was first aired in the UK and until then, I had no idea who George Mallory was. Thank you so much for posting it because it really is an incredible story and a fantastic achievement....
I want to thank him for being a Public servant in showing How Stupid it is to Climb Mt. Everest and how it still doesn’t help the World Problems by doing so !
Ok
They were going strong for the top! ❤
Thank you for sharing the wonder and beauty of these people and their lives and of course NATURE.
I saw Nothing but Ice Rocks Snow and Death ! Waste of Fucking TIME & LIFE !
I'm skeptical that the two of them made it to the summit. The relatively primitive nature of their gear, the oxygen supply they had available, the uncertainty surround Noel Odell's observation, and most of all the difficulty of the second step relative to the reported ability of the two climbers all speak against them having reached the summit. From the rope marks around Mallory's waist and the location where his body was found, it seems most likely Irvine and Mallory were roped together when a fall occurred somewhere near where Irvine's ice axe was found. There's no way to know for sure when the fall occurred, but I would speculate they turned around and were on the way back down either due to running out of oxygen or being rebuffed by the difficulty of ascending the second step.
Amazing achievement nonetheless to have made it that high on the mountain. Thanks for posting this program. I had watched it when it originally aired and it is fascinating watching it again. It was moving watching how emotional the team was upon finding Mallory's remains. A very human moment.
They never tried to climb the second step they took the advice of Norton’s previous attempt and took the zig zag route around the second step.
@@markpurdy9860 Mark that is indeed interesting, thank you for sharing. Quite a mystery that is fascinating to read about.
Robert's right, Mallory and Irvine went to the corridor that Sommerville and Norton reached earlier in the expedition without oxygen. But Mallory and Irvine did have oxygen to go even higher from there. He took the zig zag route up, not the 2nd step. Mallory's body location does not correspond at all with a fall from where Irvine's axe was found. Check Jake Norton HD map of everest with the artifacts locations. Irvine axe was found much further along the ridge on the way that leads down the mountain. This means Mallory died first on the way down. It's possible he had a brain edema, a brain swelling and Irvine didn't. Then mallory decided his only hope was a fast descend to much lower altitude and so he chose a fast risky route down and fell. Then Irvine continue down alone on the safer route but inexperienced got lost and god knows where he ended up, probably somewhere that is neither a good route for going up or down, hence is not found. You'd have to search the routes that leads to dead ends to find him.
I've always wanted to believe they made it. watching the movie: the wildest dream, at -20 degrees while testing out mallory and Irvine's gear lead to bad frostbite for conrad anchor and his climbing partner. makes me wonder if they could of made it in the clothing they wore in 1924. i so hope they find proof one day that they made it. i fell in love with this entire story. & they never found Mallory's photo of his wife. did he bury it in the snow on the summit? (maybe hillary found it and discarded it quickly, although that's just a baseless assumption.)
+RonnyUniverse i should think that even if Mallory reached the summit and left the photo on the summit...the winds would have dislodged it or new layers of snow covered. i dont think they did...only because of the gear they had on...those very big oxygen tanks and the hillary step would have probably be a huge obstacle.
+RonnyUniverse makes you wonder though....further investigation of Mallory's belongings revealed that the photo was not on his person.
That they made it as far as they did, only 800ft from the summit (!), with the technology they had at the time, says everything that needs to be said imo. They're already legends, summit or not.
It’s Ponderous ! LOL !
Given their primitive equipment and the obvious fact that they screwed up royally, I think it's more than likely they never made it. Until Irvine's body is found, it remains an open question to what happened, so it's can be fun to speculate, but the odds are against them making it to the summit. So many expeditions with newer technology never made it to the summit 30 years after Mallory and Irvine's failure, and you would have to factor in that Mallory and Irvine would have been in uncharted territory and did not have enough oxygen, which would have slowed their progress.
I believe they summited. Lot of people die on The Descent. I believe that is what happened to Mallory and Irvine
"were so wrapped up in technology, we dont have the heart and soul". Dude its 1989, wait 23 years then try again.
Yeah they’ll be in Better Shape in their 70’s I’m So Sure ! You’re fucked Up !
1989 already had all the technology we have today, it's only been incrementally improved since.
thanks for posting this
Very Inspiring ? LOL !
Been looking for this for yonks. Thank you very much for the post.
There is no evidence that George Mallory made to the summit, but he was a great climber. I think he would have made summit and reached back safely if he had sherpas with him.
I remember watching this as a kid .it gripped me
1st we have 1975 that Wag Bao a Chinese climber found a European body between 2200 or 2300 meters above sea level. Flesh was very soft when he poked the cheek on the mans face. Before he could tell others and send a party to the location. He was killed by an avalanche along with several other members of his crew.
do you think it at all possible that this was mallory and he since then had been dislodged somehow and thus sliding to his final resting place? or is this too improbable and that body must have been irvine?
Just a quick post to address something I see in the comments - some people are wrongly stating that Mallory and Irvine did NOT use oxygen. This is entirely false (the video even notes their use of oxygen). Andrew “Sandy”Irvine was an early sort of tech genius, and he knew exactly how to operate the somewhat fickle early-20s oxygen tanks. One of the original tanks that belonged to them was found not long after the ‘22 disaster. This video is done well, and it gives us a the glimpse into Mallory’s incredible fighting spirit.
It's a BBC documentary so it's about as good as you get!! I hope somebody makes a film about this one day... Similar to the Scott of the Antartic film who again died in his quest to be the first to reach his destiny.
I have a great deal of respect for Mallory and Irvine and I truly believe they made it
Maybe they put on an extra layer of clothing or something
Appearances can be deceiving...
Plus, Mallory's body was found in a position which suggest he was on his way back, and he didn't have his wife's photo on him which he promised he would leave at the top
Unlikely, he would have been in a great deal of pain when he was dying and probably not have the strength to get the photo out of his pocket
Zoozooshi Crazy Aye :)
@@grandmasterdragonborn6841 the photo should have been on him if he hadn't reached the summit. I wonder where it is
The first full ascent was Tenzing and Hillary: up to the top and safely down. However it is likely Mallory and Irvine had made it to the summit late on that day in 1924. One had the technique, the other the strength, both a real obsession with that mountain. They just came back in the night and in the snow and, disoriented, fell or went to sleep. Nobody knew then what the "death zone" does to a climber's brain.
I can't imagine climbing in a time when outdoor gear was so minuscule and under researched and unavailable it seems as if climbing in a pair of penny loafers and Tweed jackets might have made this experience just a wee bit tougher
It's more attractive climbing when you get to be the first to reach the top of the world.
6:23 Newtonian reflector telescope to spot climbers higher up the mountain....
Jeffrey Archer's Paths of Glory brought me here :)
thanks for posting this video
The Hillary step? I think your refering to the second step. The Hillary step is located on the south side of Everest. Which was named after sir Edmund Hillary and Tenzing Norgay
@simonthenarwhal ... Great ! Its sad that they didnt find the Kodak Camera. But i think your great grandfather, the great Mallory really got the peak. He was a trully brave man. Congrats.
Imagine in this very second the camera is there somewhere on everest, haunting so many of us.
Wow. I've just discovered your g grandfather by reading J. Archer's novel. Amazing.
Had to smile at, "This is the Wrong Book Monastery" at least that's how I heard it!
Seeing how he was found without the oxygen equipment leads me to believe that they may have made the summit and used and finished the oxygen tanks they showed he had. So after finding his official corpse that he probably did summit seeing how his goggles were put away means he was going on his way down and the goggles were no longer needed and put away. I imagine him on his way down only to fall and fractured both his legs and unable to get down after that
Mallory and Irvine first to summit Everest June 8 1924 Odell sees them by the third step on the snow crest right before the start of the summit pyrmaid. 100% made it died on the descent.
If someday in the future the camera is found, I wonder how long can the film last before they deteriorate beyond salvageable conditions?
It is No good as we Comment ! I’m sure the Ice and Snow got inside the camera and Openes the Film door and exposed the film in which it was Kaput !
@@stevesanzari7294 luckily the evidence they reached the summit lies in how the film has been wound inside the camera?
@@stevesanzari7294 Not necessarily, it depends where on the moutain it is. If exposed to winds or securely became part of permanent ice that preserved it.
Brilliant documentary brilliant men.
just reading Wade Davis' "Into the silence", a history of the 1921, 22 and 24 expeditions of Mallory and co. Incredibly detailed and interesting account.
To watch a Man die before your Very eyes !
Don't know if they figured this out but in the letter P.C. means Post Card
if they can't find irvine's body then he could be buried under snow u never know
Or he could have fallen off the other face of the mountain & be buried. Under snow 10,000 feet down. We'll find him when the snow melts off Everest.
Too bad there aren't any pics of the axe as it was found before being touched . How deep is the snow on the summit itself ? and if the picture had been placed by Mallory would it be buried deep under the drift , slide off w storm winds or just deteriorate over time in weather conditions ? Are there pinpointed areas of interest that possibly the Sandy Irvine body could be searched ?And why is it so hard to locate a body on this mountain with all the technology now even if u fell in a crevasse would that not be detectable ? I understand u can only fly so high or climb to areas w some sense of safety but I really am curious why it hasn't been done . Thank you for baring through all my questions... I proabably could of just Googled 🙄them lol thank you for sharing this video too , I think this is the second time watching 🤩😍
Both of them were in horrible shape by the time they made the summit attempt. It was essentially a suicide mission, and I believe they knew this.
Oh so that's it you were the mysterious third participant who went alongside and saw them in 'horrible shape'.
The camera that M & I would carry would be a Kodak Vest Pocket Model B? in what year did this camera go on sale in Europe?
I recommend to anyone the wonderful recent (2009) book by novelist Jeffrey Archer, "Paths of Glory", a fictionalized account of Mallory's life and the Everest summit attempts. Archer clearly believes that George Mallory made it to the summit, and gives a tremendous portrayal of this extraordinary man.
Yoshinori Hasegawa misspoke - the first Chinese attempt to summit Everest was in 1960, and it was successful.
“At the age of 38”. Fast forward to 2019, now there are 100 year old blind men with no legs and one arm climbing Everest....oh yeh and 28 Sherpas.
Why don't you first see if you could do it, even with the help of 28 sherpas.
Kat, I am afraid of heights and I don’t have the money to pay the Sherpas to make my lattes and carry me. Why don’t you see if you could do it without Sherpas?
Everyone who has ever lost the use of their legs usually decides at that point to get people to drag them up Everest
Cesar was never reproached using paid mercenaries in his won battles.
You guys skipped World War One! What did Mallory do in the war?
The mystery could be solved if they ever find Irvine’s camera
Sadly I'm 99.99% for sure that "Sandy" isn't on that mountain. I believe when Mallory fell the second time Irvine fell off the north face. I've been what you could call obsessed with Mallory and Irvine for many years. I have researched any and everything that has been written, books, blogs, and the expedition fight for Everest. It's probably unhealthy hobby but for me it became more of what actually happened up there that day to cause the fall's. Finding Irvine had he been on the mountain would provide forensic clues how Sandy died. Sadly he has been searched for so many times, the whole northern face. Sadly I hope I'm wrong but it's looking like I'm right
@@Bella.216 You may well be obsessed with the mystery of Mallory & Irvine. But that’s what it is a mystery. A mystery that has so far been unsolved. How can you say that your 99.99% sure that Irvine fell off the North face? Pure speculation on your part this. We know for definite that Mallory fell, Irvine’s body is no doubt still up there despite all the searches. Nobody can undertake a thorough search of the North face of Everest at 26,000ft.
@@Bella.216 To second kevin brookes, nothing proves mallory fell twice. Irvine's axe location indicates Irvine lived longer and walked further down the mountain. Being inexperienced he probably dropped the axe and got lost alone and went a dead end way where no expedition will ever go to find him. And i do think that knowing he wouldn't make it, he probably preserved the camera's in a secure place in his last moments and will come on top of us all the day he is found.
The high pitched buzz8ng is awful, such a shame can’t find this doc anywhere but can’t watch it due to the buzz
I hope someday someone finds that camera
Me too
they found mallory i wonder if they ever found irving mummys are always eerie to me you often wonder what there life before there death was like all that unknown history
I think the Chinese found Irvine and the 2004 team found Mallory.
Tyler Cochran prove it.
wheelitzr2 wrong
Mallory is climbing top hes the first person summit Everest . But at that year technology problem no wireless radio . That's y no one know that ..he return summit he falling down for extreme weather problem..
I am still very sad in a way, that this mountain's original names in tibet and nepalese have been just "deleted" by... some Gentlemen who tried this extremely difficult task and managed first (sincere congratulations to all of them yes but) like they needed to conquer it and give it an english name.??.. no surprise after all, europeans conquering and giving names to things and people who already had one in their own language.... Pretending that it is for the good when it is just... disrespectful. Weird thing, this old animal attitude, humans pretending to be civilised when giving new names to old things who has already names. names mean a lot. imagine that, everytime you meet a new person, and you give him/her a name.
drsnoggle how many names has Africa had between the "first man" and now?
How many are European?
It wasn’t even named after one of the men who climbed the mountain. It was named after a British surveyor. I somewhat agree with your argument but your kinda wrong. In English it’s Everest. People from that region have their own name for it. Chumulungma or something close to that. So did they officially rename it kinda but not really it just depends who your asking. It’s like is soccer football or vise verse
People can refer to it however they want. In English, it's called Everest.
@@TelecastPropellor96 Because it's a place where you can forever rest.
This has happened throughout recorded history. It's not a Eurocentric thing
Chomolangma in its native word for Tibetan. Free Tibet.
How can you tell he was English? lol This June the 8th will be 90 years since they were seen alive. Such a long time.
Did you even watch this? His name tag was in in his jacket you racist piece of shit.
They're looking in the wrong place for Mallory's camera, it's in Beijing in a government secret vault.
Uhh...why would the Chinese risk their lives to hide those cameras? The British Empire and Nepal would still officially be the first at the top instead of the British Empire being first at the top. And which Chinese? The Republic of China or the People's Republic of China?
@@Edax_Royeaux it's very suspicious that the only two articles that would prove M&I reached the summit happen to be missing. I don't feel easy about that tbh
into the silence is a great read
I often wonder how many of today’s “climbers” by pass the monastery? Of those who sidestep this portion of the ascent, how did they do?
Imagine if someone tried to parachute from Everest and made it
He would need a rocket to get him clear of the mountain since there's barely any air for the parachute to catch.
Rest In Peace boyos.
I REALY BELIEV THAT BOTH OF THEM MADE TO SUMMIT AND ACCIDENT HAPPEN IN WAY DOWNWORDS.
Yeah He Died !
must be hard when the earth is spinning a 1000 MPH /WOW
HoboSteve2 George Mallory had children, three in fact.
Its really nice to know it. Your family must be hardly proud of that, isnt ?
WHAT ?
wiki says he had 3,2 daughters and a son
Now they’re Fatherless ! Good Choice ?
There were not many airports they had to walk from Darjeeling India four hundred miles
Odell saw them going up, and i believe they made to the top,too close not to go for it, then to tired to make it down safely---------warriors to the end---rip
Dumb Asses to the End ! Is more Like it ! When you are single ok but he has a Family ! Now without a Father !
Cotton wind suit maybe silk and a tweed suit different breed of people back then.
Oh I do t like that high pitched tone
You’re either a Wierdo or a Dog !
From what i red and what i know as an amateur climber,Mallory's mistake was taking irvine with him.irvine was young & inexperienced. Noel odell,shouldve been the right one.
He obliviously made it. He left his wife's photo. At the top.
Theory, no true way to PROVE IT.
mallory&irvine könnten auf der spitze gewesen sein zu letzt wurden sie am fuße des "second step"gesehen
George Mallory definitely made the Summit at Everest I don’t know about Irvine because he was the weakest one of the two.
The only reason that Irvine was there was because he knew how to fix and put together oxygen tanks because he was an engineer but other than that Mallory really didn’t need him. Irvine had zero mountaineering experience. He was a green hornet and Mallory had to constantly keep watching after him.
Irvine probably died a virgin because he was only 22 when he died. Do you think that Irvine got to experience the only fish on earth that smells like a fish but taste like chicken. 😂 😂 😂
Climbing Everest in a singe breasted jacket? And a linen shirt? I don't want to hear about what a tough guy you are, you didn't climb Everest in a suit.
I move in circles where I run into the odd person who has climbed Everest (They like to bring it up over dinner like it matters.).
I politely let them finish their tale, then I ask them, "Yeah but did you Lazarus up off that mountain twice like that bad ass pathologist from Texas? No, I don't think that you did. Shut up and eat your steak, son.".
I'm now going to add linen shirts and suit jackets to my "shut the fuck up, no one cares," rant, in the future.
Proper Badasses.
Freddy Marcel-Marcum People aren't so stupid as to climb a mountain in a single breasted jacket or linen shirt and so don't end up becoming a frozen corpse at the bottom of a mountain like those fucking retards from the 20s.
Pill Box
Top of the mountain, actually.
+Pill Box you should be ashamed,but i guess you are not.
There is no evidence Mallory had a camera. Irvine had two cameras and may have had his but there’s no mention it was a Kodak.
Two cameras ??
@@ericastier1646 yup
@@billyo6710 Damn the man was probably trigger happy and intent on capturing many photos unlike Hilary who only took one picture. This tells me Irvine probably documented more than just the peak.
They hot there.But just didn't get back.
Anyone here in 2068. ??
He had 3 children.
Who are Fatherless ! How Dumb !
Mallory made it to the top, and would have made it down but for a few hours, if he was under the pyramid, and 500 meters form the top or so by Noel's first account, that's the 3 rd step unnamed at the time, plus he never intended to take the 1st or 2nd step, letters prove it, he planned to bypass both, no doubt he made it, sad he didn't make it back, but climbing with Irvine, young and not that experienced ,Noel my have been the better choice for climbing, but Irvine had already cut weigh, by ditching those very harness it the being of this video and other things he did to shave weight, ,, maybe we can one day find Irvine and solve this mystery, Mallory was a Legend
As much as I love the story, from all my research into this, I don't think that they made it. I just don't think that Mallory could have gotten Irving over the "Hillary" step. I hope someday that they find Irving's body.
Dude the guy would be a 124 yrs old ! Not likely !
I don't think they made it up the 2nd Step. It has been rated as so difficult that even Mallory would have a difficult time scaling it. Sandy Irvine was inexperienced. He was there for his knowledge of the oxygen bottles
Unwatchable due to the high pitched squeak in the background.
03:35 This is the... WRONG BOOK monastery... (?)
Sounds almost Zen or Taoist. ..."Right Books will not lead one to a monastery, my child. This is why we follow The Wrong Book in this monastery" :-)
RONGBUK MONASTERY
Yeah like your information is reliable -___- I could say I am his long lost son from another wife of his =P
I hope your IQ recovered in the 8 years since you posted your comment
They wore that kind of clothes on the moutain??? LOL it's like strip naked and walk in the snow =P
they wore very expensive cashmire inner lining 30 layerson top of one another
@@rowdyyates4273 never thought of 9 years ago would be so distance :D
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@simonthenarwhal Seriously?
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Such brave European from ❄ country one of them found not much damage like broken doll on that mountains maybe from mighty god above identify for family who he was where he came from what land what nations because many of them missing there from diffeent land Bless to the soul. 🌼
They wiz Dum Assholes ! Vary Stooopid Peeples ! Nut heds ! LOL! Learn how to spell Dudette !
The guy is in U.S -__-
The Chinese have the camera.