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Thank you for the interview with Jamie. This is a fascinating study about what happened to Sandy Irvine. My brother and I watched Lost on Everest a couple of years ago and loved it. I hope someone gets to visit that museum again. So many unanswered questions. I believe Jamie.
@@wyomingadventures thank you, Jamie is a good man, I trust his insight and common sense....he is one of the greats of Everest, balanced and reliable, a good friend
@@tmac3525 ?? Where is the logic in that? ;-) 1) First you find the body, take the camera and develope films and see that he was in sumit? 2) then you go back and get the body hidden -for what? As you already have the camera ,-D 3) what a heck Chinese rare about sherpa or no sherpa summit first? They hate sherpas. Are you sober at all?
I just found your site by accident, and I am glad I did. I was a climber for 52 years, mostly in the Pacific Northwest, but have always been interested by the Mallory-Irvine story. I'm happy to be able to support your channel.
Thanks so much for your support, it means so much to me! I'm happy you found this channel, as well....I hope you enjoy what is already up and the videos that I'll be posting regularly in the future. Cheers and thanks again
As someone who speaks fluent Chinese, my assumption of “thrown off the mountain” at around 12:55 would mean “disposed of/taken off of”(This is if the officer spoke Mandarin - most likely they did) as the term “扔了” or “丢掉” the first meaning “throw”, the second “thrown off” both could mean pretty much “get rid off” in general. They can be used for throwing out trash, throwing a ball, disposing unused items - most commonly clothes,tool, or like displacing anything to be quite frank (quite broad terms as is most Chinese words/phrases). So I’m guessing the officers directly translated the word into English because that is something a lot of chinese do while speaking English.
@@zizifang4679 Brilliant insight. Thanks for adding that context to this story. Hopefully one day the right people ask the right questions or leak previously suppressed information.
Even if it was. They make you sign a waiver b4 you climb. + it's their land. You cant tell them what to do with corpses if that's their local laws.... don't go
Hello to Jamie from Canada. Jamie supplied basecamp support for myself and my climbing partner Caroline for Cho Oyu in 2002! I’m so glad to see you have done so well with your guiding career !
Hello Allain! Oh, that memorable cake story! I hope you are doing well. 2019 was my last Everest expedition but I am still trekking in Nepal and Ladakh (India), and loving it.
@@JamieMcGuinnessHello Jamie. I've watched several videos, of your climbs, through sherpa , Namgyal Sherpa! He was such a bright presence! During his expeditions! So full of laughter! And a skilled climber! R.I.P. Namgyal!!
Its truly weird that I live fifty feet from Sandy's home, in Birkenhead, on the Wirral Peninsula. Ignorant of his efforts and fame till I researched his name from a plaque outside his house. His mother left a light burning to light his way home from Everest. A true adventurer...
@@amalone539 Actually, It was his mums house on Park Road South. It became a club for ex military for a long time but has since been converted to flats. Number 32 PRS. I have a pic of a blue sign giving the story of mums light story.
Don't feel so bad. It wasn't until the 1990s that the Irish began to learn the name Tom Crean, a Kerryman who was with Shackleton's Antartic expedition.
All respect to Jamie, I’ve been following his climbs for years. The finding of the foot tho shows that even the most competent among us still don’t know everything.
@@Handlebar-MustDash throwing Irvine off the mountain is a lot of effort to go through on Everest when you could just say nothing about it. Irvine more than likely fell farther than George and wouldn’t be findable at all, ever. This whole mystery is designed to give RUclipsrs content.
@Lorenzo622 Jamie wondered aloud if perhaps all this time the Chinese were not hiding it, and that they just assumed we always knew. Perhaps our sleuthing was a curiosity to them. Cheers and thanks for watching
@johnthemachine the Chinese literally closed the mountain in 2008 to remove garbage and bodies, and spend a significant amount of time removing them from the mountain. Highly likely they see Irvine and Mallory just as they do anyone else who dies up there: 'get them off the mountain because they are unseemly'.
I wonder if this most likely means disposal occurred via the Kangshung Face or if he was taken down to Base Camp and disposed of from there. One way of determining this would be to assess how and where the CTMA disposed of other bodies during clean up operations.
Great line of thinking. In 2008 it was rumoured that some Chinese died on the first attempt at taking the Olympic torch to the summit. After 2008 this was more or less proven as some "new" bodies were found with their outer clothing cut off and then thrown off the climbing route. So, they were not disposed of in a standard place.
@@JamieMcGuinnessin light of the most recent news regarding the boot found that could be Andrew Irvine’s, you mentioned you saw a boot at the private museum. Can you confirm if they are in fact the same? 🙏
I can’t remember which Everst book talked about it. But I remember one talked about a log the Chinese have of thing they’ve found and disposed of in Everest, and one was a westerner with a camera. That person thought they didn’t want to make it public because if the photos showed Mallory & Irvine on the summit then the Chinese weren’t the first to summit on the north.
When I'm confronted with climber culture I'm always left scratching my head. You guys always come offal level headed n whatnot but the stories yall have to tell always reveal a deep psychosis to me. Bless
I completely agree. I think that Mallory in particular would have experienced the same kind of irrational summit fever that grips modern day mountaineers - including the very experienced ones. It was also to be his last attempt - I just don't think he would have given up. He was a driven man. Like so many since, they made the summit and then perished on the way down due to exhaustion/weather changes. Unless someone definitively proves otherwise, I shall continue to believe Mallory and Irvine were the first to summit Everest.
I think they made the summit also….but fell on the way down. Some would say that it doesn’t count. However, it makes a difference in the history books. They wouldn’t be given the record BUT they would forever be credited with completing the climb to the top. Too bad for his family. I’m sure they would like to know what happened to him. That’s sad.
What’s even more unbelievable is that neither Wager, Wyn-Harris, Shipton nor Smythe saw Irvine’s body. Until physical evidence is found I’m going to assume that Irvine is somewhere below Mallory.
Another incredible video man. The progression from your expedition in 1999 to your return in 2019, then following on to this interview as well as the follow-up interview you did with Mark after 2019 is all pretty incredible. My personal opinion is that the mystery will never be solved, but that Mallory & Irvine did reach the summit. That, however, would mean that the north side first ascent by the Chinese is null and void; this could explain why the serious hush hush from CTMA folks as well as the liaison officers. That said, really THE ONLY thing that could have proven this is the film in the camera. To me, it makes sense, with all the sightings of bodies, that the Chinese did indeed find Irvine’s body along with the camera. The camera would have been taken, and the body “thrown” over the side (ie pushed down into the netherworld to where it would be invisible) both make absolute perfect sense, both logically and summarily. The most interesting fact to me is the museum piece. With the wealth of pieces they had on display (according to Jamie) it is highly possible the camera is indeed there. Items get lost in museum back rooms every day. The difference is, however, that to admit ownership of the camera would mean that new conversations would take place about the film. Whether or not the film produced pictures or not is almost irrelevant, as the Chinese simply don’t want those conversations opened. In reality, my opinion is that what they really don’t want opened is a discussion on the real first ascent from the north side. As it stands, the Chinese went down in history as holding this torch, and they simply don’t want the subject spoken about or questioned. They’re kinda funny like that if you believe the media- stories of coverups when coverups weren’t necessarily needed, etc. So, while in mind I have actually kind of formulated what happened, the reality is that there is still a little more we could learn. And as the video states, that involves finding the right people in China who will answer our questions openly. At the end of your interview with Mark, he comments about how he hopes he can be the person to do that. And while it doesn’t matter to me who gets the info, I see Jamie as a much more likely source to find the true answers. He has the relationships already, and sometimes it just takes persistence to reach the promised land - and maybe a “gift” or two to the right people.😉 At the end of the day, while none of this information will change anything we do in the real world, I DO think the history of the mountain deserves to be told in the most truthful way possible, and that means we are still have questions that must be answered. So yes…somebody book those flights to Lhasa, and maybe another expedition to the north side. This time, they need to skip the summit and use energy to thoroughly scour the north side again. There could still be clues there. Another great vid man. Mike
Wait... what?? You were part of the expedition that found Mallory? I'll be damned. (Maybe this was common knowledge but I'm new to your channel). Anyway, bravo! A sad but historic find!
Not bravo. They were pretty disrespectful to the body. Ripped off all the clothing they could and dug him back up the next day. To investigate the body more
@@sirpugsalot6113 I think with all the questions surrounding what happened and wanting to positively ID the body that it was acceptable. It's not like they're going to carry forensic experts that far up the mountainside to investigate with all the most professional techniques.
@@sirpugsalot6113 I watched a doc on retrieving body's, you know chances are retrieving a body is going to kill a few more. Imagine trying to pull a dead weight down a cliff in extreme weather climbing gear. They were as respectable as they could be whilst hunting knowledge
Thanks so much for doing these videos. Thanks so much for keeping it up. I regret that you have to put up with the type of unkind remark some of the commenters below have made. I hope the sincere appreciation of the rest of us helps to make up for it, and I also thank the more thoughtful commenters below for their additions. As for myself, I'm just an amateur onlooker, but I find it interesting.
I truly appreciate your encouragement. It's viewers like you that really do keep me going! Thank you for watching and for taking the time to comment :)
I know that it is being said that the rope around Mallory had been cut off assumingly from the fall. Is there a possibility that when he fell Irvine cut his rope aswell to not fall with him and went further alone and maybe died higher/lower then Mallory? Maybe he went to finish alone or he went back down on his own and died somewhere lower then people think he might be? Or maybe when Mallory fell Irvine fell with him but landed on a rock which made Mallory get swung mid air hitting his head on the axe and cut the rope and sent Irvine flying off way below?
Why hasn’t all the drone footage from the 2019 expedition been released? If so much money was spent and nothing was found there would be no commercial reason to withhold it and it could at least be used to add to the public database of information.
Couch potato here with a wide variety of interests. My humble take is that Mr. Irvine was indeed removed from the mountain. No announcement was made nor will it ever be made. Who benefits from the expeditions and why won’t anyone talk? Follow the money. 🤷🏻♀️ I really enjoy your channel and the community. You all have my utmost respect. There is always room to learn. These days I happen to love my “creature comforts” such as indoor plumbing. I’ve had a mild dose of altitude sickness while playing in the snow on Mauna Kea eons ago. That was enough for me. LOL.
Another awesome video, thank you. For peace of mind, I am sure that even if someone does locate Irvines remains, he will no doubt be already deceased. Mallory too probably. Rip to the pioneers. Thanks dude.
I have a few observations/ questions following listening to this interview relating to items in the museum. Mallory's body was found with one boot missing and a boot from possibly the 1920s is in the museum. I often wondered what other items, back packs etc were not found at the site where Mallory was found. I appreciate that Irvine may have been removed from the mountain but it would be fascinating to discover if any artifacts in Tibet could be linked to either Mallory or Irvine.
So what do you make of the fact that they just found Irvine's boot (and foot)? I suppose they could have found Irvine with a missing foot in 1975 and now the missing one appeared from a block of ice, but probably not, I'd say.
I wonder why all the secrecy surrounding by Mallory and Irvine? People can learn from what happened to them and they are the two people who made history by being the earliest people to traverse Everest that far... Thanks again for another interesting show.
Very interesting video. I think its very likely this is what happened. Most of the possible Irvine sightings seem to be from before 1999 so im guessing he is gone now but i won't give up hope of him being found in the future. I wonder if he was there when you guys found Mallory and if so how close you were without realising. Even the British 1933 team could have been close without knowing.
Thanks for watching! Yes, correct on your comments (as far as I believe, at least). We searched all over the face, and possibly were close to Sandy (if he was still there). Everything about it is so fascinating... Thank you for supporting the channel!
"...His exact wording was 'thrown off the mountain a lot earlier than that;' so the throwing was said in a way that he couldn't quite find the right words in English perhaps, so I'm not sure he exactly meant throwing but maybe removed maybe you cleaned up and disposed of much earlier than 2008..." It physically hurt me to hear this. I suppose we will never know what was meant by "throwing" but when one considers the physical conditions at that altitidue it is extremely difficult to imagine they had the will or means to carefully retrieve the body from its frozen state and properly remove it from the mountain. When I hear this account by Jamie McGuinness, every fiber of my being screams out that the Chinese climbers who found Irvine discarded his body in a way that can only be described as careless and disrespectful to his family and historical legacy.
Fascinating stuff, love your dedication to the subject mate and would be fantastic for someone to get to the museum to find out more. Yes, you're right, I've met Jamie, a straight up Kiwi who tells it as it is. Great interview.
Hi, from Scotland 🏴👋 I wonder if, on the centenary of M&I going missing, 8th June 2024, the Chinese will publish a photo of them on the top. It'd be front page news around the globe! 🙏
At 17:36....is this the 1920s boot that has miraculously appeared in the vicinity of the NatGeo expedition ? Makes you think ? Perhaps the CTMA took the body off the mountain pre-2008. The rest of the body and any camera/photo evidence presumably long since destroyed by the CTMA and the boot/foot kept by a CTMA official in his private museum ?
According to what I read, Irvine and Mallory were tied together with a rope. So whoever fell first, must have dragged the other with him. Of course at some point the rope severed and each landed in their own spot. My question is, if the Chinese removed Irvine, why was Mallory's body not removed? Mallory would have been more "valuable" to remove him. I have always believed that the Chinese recovered Irvine but, just maybe, they did not have enough resources to recover two. Plus the camera was with Irvine making him more valuable. It is my firm belief the Chinese have the camera and they are not disclosing it. Maybe they are just waiting for the 100 year anniversary to announce something.
Do we know that Irvine was carrying the camera and not Mallory? The camera was loaned to Mallory and if he carried it up to the summit, but it was not with his body, that suggests they made the summit and he gave the camera to Irvine to photograph Mallory on the summit. If Irvine carried the camera the whole time then we can't make that assumption.
Or the camera was dropped and is somewhere on the mountain. What we know is based on multiple rumors from China that the camera was found with Irvine, the film was developed and "there was nothing on it". This was immediately challenged and distorted by conspiracy theory. My take is that the story is entirely plausible; they had a camera and conditions were such that no exposures were made. It would be worthwhile to see the film, but the likely reception from the west is such that the Chinese are not likely to release it.
@@dukecraig2402 Irvine indicated that he would not carry the video camera, too heavy. According to the family, his personal plate camera was returned to he family. It was not the type of camera one would take on a first Summit of Everest. Somervell's son says his father told him he gave a Vest Pocket Kodak to Mallory. We don't know whether Mallory took it with him on the summit attempt.
I overstated the case. What he said was "Have brought Noel's pocket cinema up, but not used it yet." June 4th, page 111, "The Irvine Diaries", Herbert Carr, editor..
I was first introduced to you guys a couple years ago when I watched the Nat geo documentary on a whim. I was honestly bored and looking for an interesting documentary to watch and boy did I find it, there’s just something about lost expeditions that really intrigues me. I only discovered you had a RUclips channel a few days ago and I’ve been elbow deep in your content ever since lol!
So many trolls on your comments. I'm sorry people disagree in childish ways. People Speak your opinion but making personal attacks is so childish abd disgusting. Geeze! Thanks for sharing your information. It's a valid opinion. I respect that.❤
You are correct in your assessment :) check out some of the other Mallory & Irvine videos and you will unearth an abundance of the same.Thanks for watching the video, great having you here!
One of the funniest was a comment on one of Thom's videos about trash on Everest. This person was outraged that there were no Porta-potties at Camp Four...had no one ever considered providing them for climbers?! Lol.
There's rather a lot of CCP shills out there. Imagine being a great power and imagine being so insecure you have to employ a load of online trolls to shut down anything you don't like...
Another great thought provoking video. It’s sad to think that Sandy was “thrown” off the mountain, but it does make a strange kind of sense. I would love to see and learn more about that museum and its collections. Thanks as always.
Jamie was sure to mention that the word 'thrown' might very well have been used because of a language barrier...meaning, he might have been meaning 'removed' but didn't know the word. Thanks as always for watching and thanks for supporting the channel!
I agree. A lot of credence should be given to the potential for miscommunication across greatly different languages. Fascinating information.... Thanks Thom!!
@@EverestMystery true...if english is not somebodys native language,they will use words they know that approximate an object or action..ive been to 32 countries and i had to learn to slow down my thinking and not latch onto the first thing i 'thought' they said..think for a minute before responding and do not simply assume
Wanted to be the 500th comment! Absolutely love your content! Your passion for climbing and compassion for those who have lost their lives to the sport is always on display! ♥️
Seems to me, that if one of the Chinese teams came across his body, they would grab the camera and any other important other items and "remove" the body by pushing it off into who knows where - toconceal any evidence the camera was taken. Lowering a dead body from that altitude would be enormously difficult.
Great video! Thanks! After watching this, I have a few questions about the old boots seen at the museum ( 17:40 ): Was the museum the Tsering Chey Nga Mountain Museum in Tibet? Were the boots displayed openly, or were they shown in a "limited access" area? Any story on where/when they were found, and how they got to the musuem? If they were English made climbing boots from the 1920's/1930's, how many expeditions could they have possibly come from? Could any of them be ruled out? Sure wish the Chinese govt. were more open on things like this. I'd like to think that actual Chinese mountain climbers do not share the position of their government. Seems like they'd be cut from the same cloth as the other climbers from around the world. One can hope, anyway.
I see that as a possibility as well. There are a number of remains that have disappeared and reappeared on other parts of the mountain. Maurice Wilson (1934) is one of them.
Great work Thom it is fun to look at your video of Everest. In the last 100 years lots of climber went to Everest North side and may have found the camera without telling anybody. Thom did you know if the member of the 1933 British expedition search for Mallory and Irvine after having found the ice axe?
Just came across you channel, and find it interesting. Only recommendation is get a 4K camera, as they are affordable enough now days (even a 1080p camera would be a HUGE improvement). Otherwise, keep up the good work and I'll keep an eye out for future posts
Ahh, thank you! Yes, that video was recorded in a Zoom conversation...and it is woeful at best. I film on my Sony A7riii or Fujifilm XT4.... If I could learn how to make Zoom recordings look better, I'd be all ears. Thanks for visiting the channel, great having you here!
Another awesome video, thank you. For peace of mind, I am sure that even if someone does locate Irvines remains, he will no doubt be already deceased. Mallory too probably. Rip to the pioneers. Thanks dude.
So what now that they found his foot and boot melted out of the glacier? Where was it found and how does it play into theories of what happened and whether they made it?
I had watched a video just last night that mentions this very story. It was claimed that the Chinese Expedition of 1966 wished to be named as the first to summit Everest but came across the body of Sandy Irvine just below the first Hilary Step. His oxygen bottles on the ground around him. It's been stated that certain evidence of the Chinese finding and removing Irvine's body had been leaked and then quickly hushed up. They had also claimed to have had his camera which would be the evidence that showed whether a summit was made. The other strange mention was that Mallory had also kept a photo of his wife close to him within his clothing and planned to place it on the summit. This photo has never been found on or near Mallory's body. Perhaps he had made it to the summit and the photo was taken away by the same Expedition that had removed Irvine's body from the mountain? Two members of the 1924 Expedition working with Mallory and Irvine, Noel Odell and John Noel, have stated that they had no doubt at all that they had summitted the mountain. They were the two whom Mallory had written notes to. Noel Odell was the last person to have seen Mallory and Irvine alive and moving at 12:50pm on the 8th of June on a prominent ridge near to the base of the final pyramid. I'd rather take their word as they had no reason to cover anything up. It's a trusted local whom you need to return to this private museum, not one of you who can be easily detected. Unfortunately, I don't have any confidence in the Chinese revealing any information about this story. It's a disgrace that they have taken Irvine's body and are storing it somewhere in China, wrong on so many levels. They should do the right thing and give him back to his family! Please follow up on this story whilst keeping safe in the meantime. When a secret such as this is want kept quiet, no-one is safe.🇦🇺
I think why take the body it’s not needed just take all his stuff even clothes. If they wanted to then like Jamie said throw the body off the mountain no point carrying all that weight I don’t put it past them. If anything i would bet they have the camera
@@lizzystar5346 Most definitely they'd have the camera! The clothes would add much weight to the body, but I think the Chinese just wanted to get rid of all trace of Sandy Irvine. The reports of where Irvine and Mallory were last seen alive and moving does suggest that they may really have summitted. The Chinese weren't going to allow this to overshadow their own attempt to reach the summit first and would no doubt interfere with anything that got in their way. It's rather interesting that when Mallory's body was found, the photo he cherished and held close to him of his wife, until he actually summitted and was going to leave it there, was nowhere near his body at all. When I hear all of that is in this story put together, it's hard to rule out that it was a good possibility that George Mallory and Sandy Irvine did manage to summit. When bodies aren't as old as these were, it does make sense to strip off the frozen cloths that add so much extra weight and either hide the body down a crevasse or role it off if possible. Although, it's not very dignified to role a naked body down the side of Everest. I believe that what the Chinese did had nothing to do with cleaning up the mountain and more to do with making it into the record books.
@@krisushi1 agreed! I wouldn’t put it past the Chinese to want to protect their title of being the first to scale up the north side of course aside from Mallory and Irvine. If they did find Sandy they would do anything even less then tasteful things putting it politely to keep that they were the first. I believe whole heartedly that Sandy isn’t on the mountain. If we were able to find Mallory, there’s no way by now we wouldn’t have found Sandy. It’s beyond disrespectful to their families and the world of mountaineering. But hey what can we do about it… I just wish anyone else would have found him and his camera. To be able to see the last pics they took would have been amazing!!
@@lizzystar5346 I agree wholeheartedly! If only someone else with good intentions had found that camera, what amazing photos we could have witnessed. I do not believe Sandy's body is still on the mountain either. The Chinese will stop at nothing when they have a goal. You have a good point about finding Mallory's body. If that was found, I doubt that Sandy would have been too far away, although it depends on what may have occurred. Call it a gut feeling, but I honestly feel that Mallory and Irvine did summit Everest. I can only hope that's true!💖
Rolled..pushed..kicked..it was un ceremoniously dropped over the 2000ft facecliff If they had found Mallory..ditto Very probable Sandy's mummified foot became detached before remains going over cliff and got backpacked out instead of cliff flight The Motive is Screaming out!!
After listening to all the parties who have been to Everest and searched for his body, I earnestly believe that he is located in a place no one expects him to be. I believe erosion has had a hand in it, but I believe he is lower on the mountain then anyone expects him to be. That is my personal opinion.
There is a post here in the comments that mentions the museum vid on RUclips. It's about an hour long and informative. It states it's a public museum with lots of artifacts and looks well done especially the 3D models of the route(s). I'd like to point out it addresse the artifacts with the "shoe" boots and let's not forget the British had 2 previous expeditions before 1924 and thus maybe that's how these "shoe" was obtained. Besides the comment made about the 'shoe' it shouldn't deter the narrative about how Irvine's body was taken off the mountain. There are many great videos with great commentary that warrants this suspicion. To wich you can draw your own conclusions. Sandy Irvine was young big and strong and very intelligent 'fixing' things and would have made a great partner. The camera WAS given to Mallory but not found on his body. My opinion based on accounts they were so close to summit , and did summit thus Mallory giving Irvine the camera to take his picture. And 'if' Mallory did suffer an injury before his fall it would make sense for Irvine to continue on with that camera as proof. All speculation on my part of course. Big thanks to Everest Mystery for great video. If your an Everest enthusiast ya gotta check out his other vids, they're awesome. For someone like me I'm so fortunate to check all this out from the comfort and safety of my living room and be easy to pass judgment on these great mountaineers. All the best. 👍😎🍺
So you were told in 2010 that Irvine was thrown off the mountain but then return in 2019 to do a big search mission and now you won‘t release the drone footage, where nothing could be possibly found in it…yeah that makes sense…
This determination of Irvine's having been removed from the mountain is the accumulation of information over a long period of time. In 2019 it became much more clear. Jamie is not quick to judge others, nor is he quick to indict another individual that he doesn't know the first thing about (hint hint).
Maybe the Chinese dont want people to know that Mallory and Irvine made it to the summit because if they did it would change history and that would take away the 1953 expedition and that would put them in second place and put the 1924 expedition in first place but they should someday come clean to Irvines family and tell them what happened to him.
Here on the 12th of Oct 2024 and this still comes through as at least plausible abd in my mind highly likely. The expedition found only one boot, and therea another in a private museum. Do they match!?
Since the Chinese have that route of the mountain locked up they are obviously upset that they were not the first to summit. In my mind Irvine and mallory's equipment were confiscated early on in other Chinese attempts to summit and may have been in the museum archives all along. Irvine's ice pick was found but apparently nothing else. Equipment could have been moved but it is almost impossible to move bodies at that elevation. But the Chinese knew where Mallory was if not Irvine. ("English dead" referenced by a Chinese climber motioning in the direction of what became the discovery of Mallory). Since the Chinese were beaten to the summit by Hillary and Tenzing, the Chinese started a cover campaign and then figured out how to move the bodies but by then Mallory was discovered so Irvine had to be moved
The level of secrecy regarding Irvine is proof to me that they made the summit, there wouldn't be any other reason to hide facts and have witnesses afraid to talk.
It seems the recently found boot is a right boot, so if Irvine's other boot is in the Lhasa museum it would have to be the left one. Perhaps Jamie remembers seeing a boot for a left foot or part of one?
February 10 th,2024:I think the reason for the Chinese removing Irvine’s body from Everest and having the camera with them is that Mallory and Irvine probably reached the summit with photos proving it and the Chinese wouldn’t be able to say they were there before,I think it’s sort of dumm from the Chinese not accepting the fact that they have the proof that Mallory and Irvine reached the summit many years before other’s did
Then again Jamie wondered aloud if they always assumed that we knew they removed him and were surprised we kept going back to look. Kind of like, 'why are these guys going up there?'
@@EverestMystery Not to go against the "Surprise" angle but if they were just surprised that any Westerners didn't know that the body of Irvine was removed, then why all the secrecy as soon as any more probing questions are asked of the Tibetan Liason officers et al? It seems that anyone who might know something is afraid to talk.
@@EverestMystery The "Search for Irvine" industry is highly profitable for China and Tibet. Why spoil their fun? They have told us and we claimed they were lying. Why talk to people who always claim you are lying?
Jamie kind of nails it when he wonders aloud if they just assumed we always knew and then they wondered what in the heck we're doing spending all this time up on the mountain....
Brilliant video. Jamie comes across as very credible and likeable. I hope it is possible to drill down further. It would be great to known where the body was found and what happened to the chap from Birkenhead. I was always fascinated that both Mallery and Irvine were born within spitting distance of Lancashire.
Sandy’s boot was found with his foot inside, but it still doesn’t mean that his body was not removed long ago. In decomposition your foot usually comes off relatively quickly so in theory it could have detached and moved or been covered too deep in snow when china removed his body and now has been seen through the snow melt
Fascinating viewing. A query for anyone out there. Apologies if its been asked elsewhere. Regards the camera- would the temperature on the mountain not render the film stock irretrievable? If the film stock was preserved/ 'frozen in time' would the silver halides present in the film not deteriorate throughout the subsequent years and result in any imagery held on the film unprintable as the years went on? Best Hari
If the locations of both bodies are known by GPS, and the route they took is known, then an approximate fall location could be estimated. Knowing both climbers were seen going strong for the summit. Then is the estimated fall location below the last time they were seen?
Thanks for watching! Jake Norton has scoped that entire area out and has doubts that anything other than the Norton Couloir itself is even feasible. I saved some of my conversation with Jamie (future release) about route possibilities for M&I and he says in '06 he watched two Swedish guys try to downclimb the couloir, and one tragically fell to his death.
It seems to me if M and I took the Norton route they would be on the NW side of the peak and nowhere near the last step but one that Odell claimed he saw them at. @@EverestMystery
I agree, I wish more people would search that area of the zig zag route and the couloir route. They should find some oxygen bottles or maybe pack frame. I really think they went that way and didn't follow the NE ridge to the second step. I believe they went under it the way Norton and Somerville did and the way the rest of the British tried to go.
Am I the only one that thinks this is complete BS? With this much interest in this particular story, keeping it on the down low sounds extremely fishy to me. I also have serious doubts about the Chinese version of anything concerning Mt Everest.
It's the CTMA, not the Chinese....which has a high percentage of Tibetans. Also, Jamie discusses this in the interview, that he thinks possibly they never had any reason to hide it and always assumed we knew what happened, and that they think the joke is on us for launching these expensive expeditions to go find him
I think leaving them alone at rest....It's not the ghost you need to fear it's the living!!!!They where in different times ...They had their chance...Leave him as a mystery cause if discovered he will be forgotten.......
I would think finding this museum should be the number one thing and there are a lot of mountaineers out there that have a lot of damn money you can easily find someone that could throw out enough money to be given the opportunity to see these boots and potentially have the chance to at least take pictures for a monetary value, everyone likes money, especially People from that region would love to have American dollars.
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Thank you for the interview with Jamie. This is a fascinating study about what happened to Sandy Irvine. My brother and I watched Lost on Everest a couple of years ago and loved it. I hope someone gets to visit that museum again. So many unanswered questions. I believe Jamie.
@@wyomingadventures thank you, Jamie is a good man, I trust his insight and common sense....he is one of the greats of Everest, balanced and reliable, a good friend
Its hidden because they found the camera with the body, showing pics they reached summit before a sherpa
@@tmac3525 ?? Where is the logic in that? ;-) 1) First you find the body, take the camera and develope films and see that he was in sumit? 2) then you go back and get the body hidden -for what? As you already have the camera ,-D 3) what a heck Chinese rare about sherpa or no sherpa summit first? They hate sherpas. Are you sober at all?
@@tmac3525 No. The sources who reported finding the camera reported that the film was developed and there was nothing on it.
Who’s here after sandys boot has been found?
Yes, I was just thinking the same thing actually!
Time to revisit
Would be awesome if Jamie could weigh in on the boot he saw at the private museum - if it is the same as the one found with Andrew’s sock.
Yep
Heey
I just found your site by accident, and I am glad I did. I was a climber for 52 years, mostly in the Pacific Northwest, but have always been interested by the Mallory-Irvine story. I'm happy to be able to support your channel.
Thanks so much for your support, it means so much to me! I'm happy you found this channel, as well....I hope you enjoy what is already up and the videos that I'll be posting regularly in the future. Cheers and thanks again
As someone who speaks fluent Chinese, my assumption of “thrown off the mountain” at around 12:55 would mean “disposed of/taken off of”(This is if the officer spoke Mandarin - most likely they did) as the term “扔了” or “丢掉” the first meaning “throw”, the second “thrown off” both could mean pretty much “get rid off” in general. They can be used for throwing out trash, throwing a ball, disposing unused items - most commonly clothes,tool, or like displacing anything to be quite frank (quite broad terms as is most Chinese words/phrases). So I’m guessing the officers directly translated the word into English because that is something a lot of chinese do while speaking English.
@@zizifang4679 Brilliant insight. Thanks for adding that context to this story. Hopefully one day the right people ask the right questions or leak previously suppressed information.
Even if it was. They make you sign a waiver b4 you climb. + it's their land. You cant tell them what to do with corpses if that's their local laws.... don't go
Fascinating
@@limbeboy7 Who's telling them what to do with corpses on their land?
I don't understand why they would "thrown" only Irvine and not Mallory
Hello to Jamie from Canada. Jamie supplied basecamp support for myself and my climbing partner Caroline for Cho Oyu in 2002! I’m so glad to see you have done so well with your guiding career !
Jamie is a good man and an absolutely world class guide and climber. Thanks for watching!
Hello Allain! Oh, that memorable cake story! I hope you are doing well. 2019 was my last Everest expedition but I am still trekking in Nepal and Ladakh (India), and loving it.
@@JamieMcGuinnessHello Jamie. I've watched several videos, of your climbs, through sherpa , Namgyal Sherpa! He was such a bright presence! During his expeditions! So full of laughter! And a skilled climber! R.I.P. Namgyal!!
This was fascinating! Someone MUST get to the private museum and report back - it would be SO good to know more.
Thom. Interviews are your strong suit on your Everest Mystery channel. This is very well done and Jamie is an appealing and engaging personality.
Jamie is the man....thanks for watching
Its truly weird that I live fifty feet from Sandy's home, in Birkenhead, on the Wirral Peninsula. Ignorant of his efforts and fame till I researched his name from a plaque outside his house. His mother left a light burning to light his way home from Everest. A true adventurer...
Incredible, that’s truly as close as it gets. I hope to visit there one day. Thanks for watching, it’s great having you here
@@EverestMystery if you do, give me a knock. We'll have a cuppa and a chat. Fill in a bit of that ignorance, I mentioned.
I didn’t know he was from Birkenhead I’m in anfield but always go new Brighton with the kids where about is his house would like to call past one day
@@amalone539 Actually, It was his mums house on Park Road South. It became a club for ex military for a long time but has since been converted to flats. Number 32 PRS. I have a pic of a blue sign giving the story of mums light story.
Don't feel so bad. It wasn't until the 1990s that the Irish began to learn the name Tom Crean, a Kerryman who was with Shackleton's Antartic expedition.
All respect to Jamie, I’ve been following his climbs for years. The finding of the foot tho shows that even the most competent among us still don’t know everything.
Jaime, what a nice guy! Thanks for doing the interview, Thom!
Fascinating… why the big secret though? Why would they hide the fact that he had been found and removed?
Bad feelings still over The Opium Wars and hence not wishing to give acclaim to British Climbers?
@@Handlebar-MustDash throwing Irvine off the mountain is a lot of effort to go through on Everest when you could just say nothing about it. Irvine more than likely fell farther than George and wouldn’t be findable at all, ever. This whole mystery is designed to give RUclipsrs content.
Perhaps because on his body was evidence of having made the summit. Summit rocks in his pockets, etc.
@Lorenzo622 Jamie wondered aloud if perhaps all this time the Chinese were not hiding it, and that they just assumed we always knew. Perhaps our sleuthing was a curiosity to them. Cheers and thanks for watching
@johnthemachine the Chinese literally closed the mountain in 2008 to remove garbage and bodies, and spend a significant amount of time removing them from the mountain. Highly likely they see Irvine and Mallory just as they do anyone else who dies up there: 'get them off the mountain because they are unseemly'.
Fascinating. Awaiting to hear more on this - museum and high-ranking official.
I wonder if this most likely means disposal occurred via the Kangshung Face or if he was taken down to Base Camp and disposed of from there. One way of determining this would be to assess how and where the CTMA disposed of other bodies during clean up operations.
Great line of thinking. In 2008 it was rumoured that some Chinese died on the first attempt at taking the Olympic torch to the summit. After 2008 this was more or less proven as some "new" bodies were found with their outer clothing cut off and then thrown off the climbing route. So, they were not disposed of in a standard place.
@@JamieMcGuinnessin light of the most recent news regarding the boot found that could be Andrew Irvine’s, you mentioned you saw a boot at the private museum. Can you confirm if they are in fact the same? 🙏
I can’t remember which Everst book talked about it. But I remember one talked about a log the Chinese have of thing they’ve found and disposed of in Everest, and one was a westerner with a camera. That person thought they didn’t want to make it public because if the photos showed Mallory & Irvine on the summit then the Chinese weren’t the first to summit on the north.
When I'm confronted with climber culture I'm always left scratching my head. You guys always come offal level headed n whatnot but the stories yall have to tell always reveal a deep psychosis to me. Bless
Well said, you should talk to my ex-spouse lol - thank you for watching!
I've always felt they made the summit, they were so close when last seen.,also their determination for the summit was unflappable
I completely agree. I think that Mallory in particular would have experienced the same kind of irrational summit fever that grips modern day mountaineers - including the very experienced ones. It was also to be his last attempt - I just don't think he would have given up. He was a driven man. Like so many since, they made the summit and then perished on the way down due to exhaustion/weather changes. Unless someone definitively proves otherwise, I shall continue to believe Mallory and Irvine were the first to summit Everest.
I absolutely agree. There is something in my gut that says they made it,
I think they made the summit also….but fell on the way down. Some would say that it doesn’t count. However, it makes a difference in the history books. They wouldn’t be given the record BUT they would forever be credited with completing the climb to the top. Too bad for his family. I’m sure they would like to know what happened to him. That’s sad.
@@laurenurban3942 It's possible they made the summit, but the last report was the weather was degrading and they vanished into the clouds.
They were no where near the summit,last seen
What’s even more unbelievable is that neither Wager, Wyn-Harris, Shipton nor Smythe saw Irvine’s body. Until physical evidence is found I’m going to assume that Irvine is somewhere below Mallory.
@@chrisowen2763 correct!
Mallory remains had rope tied to him?? So they both fell off a 2000ft face
One of two ice pik was found also
Nepalese official and guide said it was removed well before 1996
Many sighting s before..above where Mallory was found in 1999
Another incredible video man. The progression from your expedition in 1999 to your return in 2019, then following on to this interview as well as the follow-up interview you did with Mark after 2019 is all pretty incredible.
My personal opinion is that the mystery will never be solved, but that Mallory & Irvine did reach the summit. That, however, would mean that the north side first ascent by the Chinese is null and void; this could explain why the serious hush hush from CTMA folks as well as the liaison officers. That said, really THE ONLY thing that could have proven this is the film in the camera. To me, it makes sense, with all the sightings of bodies, that the Chinese did indeed find Irvine’s body along with the camera. The camera would have been taken, and the body “thrown” over the side (ie pushed down into the netherworld to where it would be invisible) both make absolute perfect sense, both logically and summarily.
The most interesting fact to me is the museum piece. With the wealth of pieces they had on display (according to Jamie) it is highly possible the camera is indeed there. Items get lost in museum back rooms every day. The difference is, however, that to admit ownership of the camera would mean that new conversations would take place about the film. Whether or not the film produced pictures or not is almost irrelevant, as the Chinese simply don’t want those conversations opened. In reality, my opinion is that what they really don’t want opened is a discussion on the real first ascent from the north side. As it stands, the Chinese went down in history as holding this torch, and they simply don’t want the subject spoken about or questioned. They’re kinda funny like that if you believe the media- stories of coverups when coverups weren’t necessarily needed, etc.
So, while in mind I have actually kind of formulated what happened, the reality is that there is still a little more we could learn. And as the video states, that involves finding the right people in China who will answer our questions openly. At the end of your interview with Mark, he comments about how he hopes he can be the person to do that. And while it doesn’t matter to me who gets the info, I see Jamie as a much more likely source to find the true answers. He has the relationships already, and sometimes it just takes persistence to reach the promised land - and maybe a “gift” or two to the right people.😉
At the end of the day, while none of this information will change anything we do in the real world, I DO think the history of the mountain deserves to be told in the most truthful way possible, and that means we are still have questions that must be answered. So yes…somebody book those flights to Lhasa, and maybe another expedition to the north side. This time, they need to skip the summit and use energy to thoroughly scour the north side again. There could still be clues there.
Another great vid man.
Mike
Sorry, could you repeat that?
Jamie is an Honest Abe. You can tell he is very passionate about Mt. Everest and mountaineering.
Wait... what?? You were part of the expedition that found Mallory? I'll be damned. (Maybe this was common knowledge but I'm new to your channel). Anyway, bravo! A sad but historic find!
Not bravo. They were pretty disrespectful to the body. Ripped off all the clothing they could and dug him back up the next day. To investigate the body more
@@sirpugsalot6113 I think with all the questions surrounding what happened and wanting to positively ID the body that it was acceptable. It's not like they're going to carry forensic experts that far up the mountainside to investigate with all the most professional techniques.
@@sirpugsalot6113 I watched a doc on retrieving body's, you know chances are retrieving a body is going to kill a few more. Imagine trying to pull a dead weight down a cliff in extreme weather climbing gear. They were as respectable as they could be whilst hunting knowledge
@@hollymeakin8825 the problem is they dug his body back up to grab more stuff from his body they only partly reburied him
@@sirpugsalot6113 you jealous, buddy?
Thank you very much! Since you guys found Mallory’s body back in 99 I’m very interested in this fascinating mistery.
Great to have you here, thank you for watching!
@@fernandosantiago1000 Same!
Would love to know more. I have always believed since the discovery of Mallory"s body, that they died on the way down.
Thanks so much for doing these videos. Thanks so much for keeping it up. I regret that you have to put up with the type of unkind remark some of the commenters below have made. I hope the sincere appreciation of the rest of us helps to make up for it, and I also thank the more thoughtful commenters below for their additions. As for myself, I'm just an amateur onlooker, but I find it interesting.
I truly appreciate your encouragement. It's viewers like you that really do keep me going! Thank you for watching and for taking the time to comment :)
I know that it is being said that the rope around Mallory had been cut off assumingly from the fall.
Is there a possibility that when he fell Irvine cut his rope aswell to not fall with him and went further alone and maybe died higher/lower then Mallory? Maybe he went to finish alone or he went back down on his own and died somewhere lower then people think he might be?
Or maybe when Mallory fell Irvine fell with him but landed on a rock which made Mallory get swung mid air hitting his head on the axe and cut the rope and sent Irvine flying off way below?
Why hasn’t all the drone footage from the 2019 expedition been released? If so much money was spent and nothing was found there would be no commercial reason to withhold it and it could at least be used to add to the public database of information.
The film is on Disney+ called Lost On Everest. It’s only an hour but pretty comprehensive
I loved this movie. I watched it again while reading "The Third Pole" by Mark Synnott. They compliment each other well.@@EverestMystery
Couch potato here with a wide variety of interests. My humble take is that Mr. Irvine was indeed removed from the mountain. No announcement was made nor will it ever be made. Who benefits from the expeditions and why won’t anyone talk? Follow the money. 🤷🏻♀️
I really enjoy your channel and the community. You all have my utmost respect. There is always room to learn. These days I happen to love my “creature comforts” such as indoor plumbing. I’ve had a mild dose of altitude sickness while playing in the snow on Mauna Kea eons ago. That was enough for me. LOL.
I think Mother Nature keeps many things to herself.
Another awesome video, thank you. For peace of mind, I am sure that even if someone does locate Irvines remains, he will no doubt be already deceased. Mallory too probably. Rip to the pioneers. Thanks dude.
I have a few observations/ questions following listening to this interview relating to items in the museum. Mallory's body was found with one boot missing and a boot from possibly the 1920s is in the museum. I often wondered what other items, back packs etc were not found at the site where Mallory was found. I appreciate that Irvine may have been removed from the mountain but it would be fascinating to discover if any artifacts in Tibet could be linked to either Mallory or Irvine.
I love your interviews, you are a great speaker. Have been binging your videos for a few weeks!
Thank you so much, I'm really happy that you enjoy the videos on the channel!
Ah dang, I guess they forgot his foot!
So what do you make of the fact that they just found Irvine's boot (and foot)? I suppose they could have found Irvine with a missing foot in 1975 and now the missing one appeared from a block of ice, but probably not, I'd say.
I wonder why all the secrecy surrounding by Mallory and Irvine? People can learn from what happened to them and they are the two people who made history by being the earliest people to traverse Everest that far... Thanks again for another interesting show.
Thank you for watching! No secrecy that I know of involving them....just lots of questions we wish we had answers to.
Very interesting video. I think its very likely this is what happened. Most of the possible Irvine sightings seem to be from before 1999 so im guessing he is gone now but i won't give up hope of him being found in the future. I wonder if he was there when you guys found Mallory and if so how close you were without realising. Even the British 1933 team could have been close without knowing.
Thanks for watching! Yes, correct on your comments (as far as I believe, at least). We searched all over the face, and possibly were close to Sandy (if he was still there). Everything about it is so fascinating... Thank you for supporting the channel!
"...His exact wording was 'thrown off the mountain a lot earlier than that;' so the throwing was said in a way that he couldn't quite find the right words in English perhaps, so I'm not sure he exactly meant throwing but maybe removed maybe you cleaned up and disposed of much earlier than 2008..." It physically hurt me to hear this. I suppose we will never know what was meant by "throwing" but when one considers the physical conditions at that altitidue it is extremely difficult to imagine they had the will or means to carefully retrieve the body from its frozen state and properly remove it from the mountain. When I hear this account by Jamie McGuinness, every fiber of my being screams out that the Chinese climbers who found Irvine discarded his body in a way that can only be described as careless and disrespectful to his family and historical legacy.
I for one am glad that Amelia Earhart's plane, wherever it may be, is no where near China.
@kwd3109
Amelia’s plane has been found off Gardner Island by the same chap who found Titanic.
I saw her foot in Beijing
Very interesting video. I would like to know more about that museum.🤔
Fascinating stuff, love your dedication to the subject mate and would be fantastic for someone to get to the museum to find out more. Yes, you're right, I've met Jamie, a straight up Kiwi who tells it as it is. Great interview.
Hi, from Scotland 🏴👋 I wonder if, on the centenary of M&I going missing, 8th June 2024, the Chinese will publish a photo of them on the top. It'd be front page news around the globe! 🙏
Lol not likely, then the Chinese won’t get credit for being the first to summit from the north side!
Fat chance.. they will have destroyed the body and camera
At 17:36....is this the 1920s boot that has miraculously appeared in the vicinity of the NatGeo expedition ? Makes you think ? Perhaps the CTMA took the body off the mountain pre-2008. The rest of the body and any camera/photo evidence presumably long since destroyed by the CTMA and the boot/foot kept by a CTMA official in his private museum ?
According to what I read, Irvine and Mallory were tied together with a rope. So whoever fell first, must have dragged the other with him. Of course at some point the rope severed and each landed in their own spot. My question is, if the Chinese removed Irvine, why was Mallory's body not removed? Mallory would have been more "valuable" to remove him. I have always believed that the Chinese recovered Irvine but, just maybe, they did not have enough resources to recover two. Plus the camera was with Irvine making him more valuable. It is my firm belief the Chinese have the camera and they are not disclosing it. Maybe they are just waiting for the 100 year anniversary to announce something.
Mallory's remains are not on a traveled summit route
Of course chinese would have..but they never found him
Noooooo! Although I think deep down we've known this for a while. The artifacts in that one Chinese museum was the nail in the coffin I think.
Very intriguing. We need to get to that museum!
Do we know that Irvine was carrying the camera and not Mallory? The camera was loaned to Mallory and if he carried it up to the summit, but it was not with his body, that suggests they made the summit and he gave the camera to Irvine to photograph Mallory on the summit. If Irvine carried the camera the whole time then we can't make that assumption.
There's information indicating that they might have had up to 3 cameras with them, 2 pocket cameras and I believe a small motion picture camera.
Or the camera was dropped and is somewhere on the mountain. What we know is based on multiple rumors from China that the camera was found with Irvine, the film was developed and "there was nothing on it". This was immediately challenged and distorted by conspiracy theory. My take is that the story is entirely plausible; they had a camera and conditions were such that no exposures were made. It would be worthwhile to see the film, but the likely reception from the west is such that the Chinese are not likely to release it.
@@dukecraig2402 Irvine indicated that he would not carry the video camera, too heavy. According to the family, his personal plate camera was returned to he family. It was not the type of camera one would take on a first Summit of Everest. Somervell's son says his father told him he gave a Vest Pocket Kodak to Mallory. We don't know whether Mallory took it with him on the summit attempt.
I overstated the case. What he said was "Have brought Noel's pocket cinema up, but not used it yet." June 4th, page 111, "The Irvine Diaries", Herbert Carr, editor..
I was first introduced to you guys a couple years ago when I watched the Nat geo documentary on a whim. I was honestly bored and looking for an interesting documentary to watch and boy did I find it, there’s just something about lost expeditions that really intrigues me. I only discovered you had a RUclips channel a few days ago and I’ve been elbow deep in your content ever since lol!
It's great having you here. I'm so glad you found the channel, thank you!
This is so informative! Great job, fantastic reporting!🌻🌼🐝 Keep it up 🙌
Thank you !!
What!? Of course, i think we all sort of suspected this but how interesting. Thank you for another great video. 🙏🙏🙏👏👏👏
So many trolls on your comments. I'm sorry people disagree in childish ways. People Speak your opinion but making personal attacks is so childish abd disgusting.
Geeze! Thanks for sharing your information. It's a valid opinion. I respect that.❤
You are correct in your assessment :) check out some of the other Mallory & Irvine videos and you will unearth an abundance of the same.Thanks for watching the video, great having you here!
One of the funniest was a comment on one of Thom's videos about trash on Everest. This person was outraged that there were no Porta-potties at Camp Four...had no one ever considered providing them for climbers?! Lol.
There's rather a lot of CCP shills out there. Imagine being a great power and imagine being so insecure you have to employ a load of online trolls to shut down anything you don't like...
Another great thought provoking video. It’s sad to think that Sandy was “thrown” off the mountain, but it does make a strange kind of sense. I would love to see and learn more about that museum and its collections. Thanks as always.
Jamie was sure to mention that the word 'thrown' might very well have been used because of a language barrier...meaning, he might have been meaning 'removed' but didn't know the word. Thanks as always for watching and thanks for supporting the channel!
I agree. A lot of credence should be given to the potential for miscommunication across greatly different languages. Fascinating information.... Thanks Thom!!
@@EverestMystery true...if english is not somebodys native language,they will use words they know that approximate an object or action..ive been to 32 countries and i had to learn to slow down my thinking and not latch onto the first thing i 'thought' they said..think for a minute before responding and do not simply assume
Whàt about the rapíd deteratation of Sandy’s body
at sea level .
22:45 22:45
Dropped...rolled..pushed off 2000foot cliff...with a detached foot boot in hand afterwards
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Thanks so much! Wow, 500 comments….. I’m happy you found the channel and that you enjoy the content. There’s lots more to come
Seems to me, that if one of the Chinese teams came across his body, they would grab the camera and any other important other items and "remove" the body by pushing it off into who knows where - toconceal any evidence the camera was taken. Lowering a dead body from that altitude would be enormously difficult.
Great video! Thanks! After watching this, I have a few questions about the old boots seen at the museum ( 17:40 ):
Was the museum the Tsering Chey Nga Mountain Museum in Tibet?
Were the boots displayed openly, or were they shown in a "limited access" area? Any story on where/when they were found, and how they got to the musuem?
If they were English made climbing boots from the 1920's/1930's, how many expeditions could they have possibly come from? Could any of them be ruled out?
Sure wish the Chinese govt. were more open on things like this. I'd like to think that actual Chinese mountain climbers do not share the position of their government.
Seems like they'd be cut from the same cloth as the other climbers from around the world. One can hope, anyway.
Could it not just be that due to weather conditions or human intervention the body has just been covered up and is now no longer visible?
Absolutely, that is entirely possible.
But a drone not seeing evidence or a trace seems unlikely.
Depends on snow conditions. Lots of snow = nothing to show.
I see that as a possibility as well. There are a number of remains that have disappeared and reappeared on other parts of the mountain. Maurice Wilson (1934) is one of them.
Bull., his boot has just been found with some remains ( not confirmed) with his name on the sock.
We just need to find his camera now.
Good to see this channel doing so well! Thanks for all of the great content.
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Much appreciated! Thanks for being here - I'm glad you're enjoying the content
Great work Thom it is fun to look at your video of Everest.
In the last 100 years lots of climber went to Everest North side and may have found the camera without telling anybody.
Thom did you know if the member of the 1933 British expedition search for Mallory and Irvine after having found the ice axe?
Just came across you channel, and find it interesting. Only recommendation is get a 4K camera, as they are affordable enough now days (even a 1080p camera would be a HUGE improvement). Otherwise, keep up the good work and I'll keep an eye out for future posts
Ahh, thank you! Yes, that video was recorded in a Zoom conversation...and it is woeful at best. I film on my Sony A7riii or Fujifilm XT4.... If I could learn how to make Zoom recordings look better, I'd be all ears. Thanks for visiting the channel, great having you here!
Another awesome video, thank you. For peace of mind, I am sure that even if someone does locate Irvines remains, he will no doubt be already deceased. Mallory too probably. Rip to the pioneers. Thanks dude.
So what now that they found his foot and boot melted out of the glacier? Where was it found and how does it play into theories of what happened and whether they made it?
Really like the good, encouraging words to sign off.
October 11th, 2024. They found the boot of a.c. “Sandy” Irvine.
Fascinating interview.
This is really funny now
Lol, they just found Andy Irvine's foot, shoe and sock on Everest. So many lies on social media
Another fascinating insight into the fate of Irvines body. I find it incredibly sad that knowledge to solve this mystery might never be known.
I had watched a video just last night that mentions this very story. It was claimed that the Chinese Expedition of 1966 wished to be named as the first to summit Everest but came across the body of Sandy Irvine just below the first Hilary Step. His oxygen bottles on the ground around him. It's been stated that certain evidence of the Chinese finding and removing Irvine's body had been leaked and then quickly hushed up. They had also claimed to have had his camera which would be the evidence that showed whether a summit was made. The other strange mention was that Mallory had also kept a photo of his wife close to him within his clothing and planned to place it on the summit. This photo has never been found on or near Mallory's body. Perhaps he had made it to the summit and the photo was taken away by the same Expedition that had removed Irvine's body from the mountain? Two members of the 1924 Expedition working with Mallory and Irvine, Noel Odell and John Noel, have stated that they had no doubt at all that they had summitted the mountain. They were the two whom Mallory had written notes to. Noel Odell was the last person to have seen Mallory and Irvine alive and moving at 12:50pm on the 8th of June on a prominent ridge near to the base of the final pyramid. I'd rather take their word as they had no reason to cover anything up. It's a trusted local whom you need to return to this private museum, not one of you who can be easily detected. Unfortunately, I don't have any confidence in the Chinese revealing any information about this story. It's a disgrace that they have taken Irvine's body and are storing it somewhere in China, wrong on so many levels. They should do the right thing and give him back to his family! Please follow up on this story whilst keeping safe in the meantime. When a secret such as this is want kept quiet, no-one is safe.🇦🇺
I think why take the body it’s not needed just take all his stuff even clothes. If they wanted to then like Jamie said throw the body off the mountain no point carrying all that weight I don’t put it past them. If anything i would bet they have the camera
@@lizzystar5346 Most definitely they'd have the camera! The clothes would add much weight to the body, but I think the Chinese just wanted to get rid of all trace of Sandy Irvine. The reports of where Irvine and Mallory were last seen alive and moving does suggest that they may really have summitted. The Chinese weren't going to allow this to overshadow their own attempt to reach the summit first and would no doubt interfere with anything that got in their way. It's rather interesting that when Mallory's body was found, the photo he cherished and held close to him of his wife, until he actually summitted and was going to leave it there, was nowhere near his body at all. When I hear all of that is in this story put together, it's hard to rule out that it was a good possibility that George Mallory and Sandy Irvine did manage to summit. When bodies aren't as old as these were, it does make sense to strip off the frozen cloths that add so much extra weight and either hide the body down a crevasse or role it off if possible. Although, it's not very dignified to role a naked body down the side of Everest. I believe that what the Chinese did had nothing to do with cleaning up the mountain and more to do with making it into the record books.
@@krisushi1 agreed! I wouldn’t put it past the Chinese to want to protect their title of being the first to scale up the north side of course aside from Mallory and Irvine. If they did find Sandy they would do anything even less then tasteful things putting it politely to keep that they were the first. I believe whole heartedly that Sandy isn’t on the mountain. If we were able to find Mallory, there’s no way by now we wouldn’t have found Sandy. It’s beyond disrespectful to their families and the world of mountaineering. But hey what can we do about it… I just wish anyone else would have found him and his camera. To be able to see the last pics they took would have been amazing!!
@@lizzystar5346 I agree wholeheartedly! If only someone else with good intentions had found that camera, what amazing photos we could have witnessed. I do not believe Sandy's body is still on the mountain either. The Chinese will stop at nothing when they have a goal. You have a good point about finding Mallory's body. If that was found, I doubt that Sandy would have been too far away, although it depends on what may have occurred. Call it a gut feeling, but I honestly feel that Mallory and Irvine did summit Everest. I can only hope that's true!💖
Rolled..pushed..kicked..it was un ceremoniously dropped over the 2000ft facecliff
If they had found Mallory..ditto
Very probable Sandy's mummified foot became detached before remains going over cliff and got backpacked out instead of cliff flight
The Motive is Screaming out!!
After listening to all the parties who have been to Everest and searched for his body, I earnestly believe that he is located in a place no one expects him to be. I believe erosion has had a hand in it, but I believe he is lower on the mountain then anyone expects him to be. That is my personal opinion.
So now that we know his body was found and he’s still there what are your thoughts?
Very intriguing share Thom !! 🙏🏼
There is a post here in the comments that mentions the museum vid on RUclips. It's about an hour long and informative. It states it's a public museum with lots of artifacts and looks well done especially the 3D models of the route(s). I'd like to point out it addresse the artifacts with the "shoe" boots and let's not forget the British had 2 previous expeditions before 1924 and thus maybe that's how these "shoe" was obtained. Besides the comment made about the 'shoe' it shouldn't deter the narrative about how Irvine's body was taken off the mountain. There are many great videos with great commentary that warrants this suspicion. To wich you can draw your own conclusions. Sandy Irvine was young big and strong and very intelligent 'fixing' things and would have made a great partner. The camera WAS given to Mallory but not found on his body. My opinion based on accounts they were so close to summit , and did summit thus Mallory giving Irvine the camera to take his picture. And 'if' Mallory did suffer an injury before his fall it would make sense for Irvine to continue on with that camera as proof. All speculation on my part of course. Big thanks to Everest Mystery for great video. If your an Everest enthusiast ya gotta check out his other vids, they're awesome. For someone like me I'm so fortunate to check all this out from the comfort and safety of my living room and be easy to pass judgment on these great mountaineers. All the best. 👍😎🍺
Great intro brother .
Super document ❤ from ireland
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So you were told in 2010 that Irvine was thrown off the mountain but then return in 2019 to do a big search mission and now you won‘t release the drone footage, where nothing could be possibly found in it…yeah that makes sense…
This determination of Irvine's having been removed from the mountain is the accumulation of information over a long period of time. In 2019 it became much more clear. Jamie is not quick to judge others, nor is he quick to indict another individual that he doesn't know the first thing about (hint hint).
He mentioned in another comment that 2019 drone footage is included in video on Disney+ titled Lost on Everest.
Has anyone said which side of the mountain the boot was found on? I would think the east but the glacier is on both sides right?
Thanks for another insightful and interesting presentation. ♾♾♾♾
Thank you for watching, I really appreciate it!
Maybe the Chinese dont want people to know that Mallory and Irvine made it to the summit because if they did it would change history and that would take away the 1953 expedition and that would put them in second place and put the 1924 expedition in first place but they should someday come clean to Irvines family and tell them what happened to him.
Finding Sandy Irvine's body is not that important. What's important is finding the camera. Were Mallory and Irvine the first to Summit Everest?
Here on the 12th of Oct 2024 and this still comes through as at least plausible abd in my mind highly likely. The expedition found only one boot, and therea another in a private museum. Do they match!?
Thank you and we shall see!
Since the Chinese have that route of the mountain locked up they are obviously upset that they were not the first to summit. In my mind Irvine and mallory's equipment were confiscated early on in other Chinese attempts to summit and may have been in the museum archives all along. Irvine's ice pick was found but apparently nothing else. Equipment could have been moved but it is almost impossible to move bodies at that elevation. But the Chinese knew where Mallory was if not Irvine. ("English dead" referenced by a Chinese climber motioning in the direction of what became the discovery of Mallory). Since the Chinese were beaten to the summit by Hillary and Tenzing, the Chinese started a cover campaign and then figured out how to move the bodies but by then Mallory was discovered so Irvine had to be moved
Yup the chinese are hiding everything
Irvine was moved at least 10yrs before Mallory's discovery
Mallory is still there..climbers dont see him he's not near climbing route
The level of secrecy regarding Irvine is proof to me that they made the summit, there wouldn't be any other reason to hide facts and have witnesses afraid to talk.
It seems the recently found boot is a right boot, so if Irvine's other boot is in the Lhasa museum it would have to be the left one. Perhaps Jamie remembers seeing a boot for a left foot or part of one?
2 lefts dont make a right?
omg, I've seen this Renan Ozturk doco!! How amazing you were there!
February 10 th,2024:I think the reason for the Chinese removing Irvine’s body from
Everest and having the camera with them is that Mallory and Irvine probably reached the summit with photos proving it and the Chinese wouldn’t be able to say they were there before,I think it’s sort of dumm from the Chinese not accepting the fact that they have the proof that Mallory and Irvine reached the summit many years before other’s did
Then again Jamie wondered aloud if they always assumed that we knew they removed him and were surprised we kept going back to look. Kind of like, 'why are these guys going up there?'
@@EverestMystery Not to go against the "Surprise" angle but if they were just surprised that any Westerners didn't know that the body of Irvine was removed, then why all the secrecy as soon as any more probing questions are asked of the Tibetan Liason officers et al? It seems that anyone who might know something is afraid to talk.
@@EverestMystery The "Search for Irvine" industry is highly profitable for China and Tibet. Why spoil their fun? They have told us and we claimed they were lying. Why talk to people who always claim you are lying?
i think if IF they found him. they are ashamed they tossed him without saying anything all those years ago
Jamie kind of nails it when he wonders aloud if they just assumed we always knew and then they wondered what in the heck we're doing spending all this time up on the mountain....
And $$$ lotz of $$$
Brilliant video. Jamie comes across as very credible and likeable. I hope it is possible to drill down further. It would be great to known where the body was found and what happened to the chap from Birkenhead. I was always fascinated that both Mallery and Irvine were born within spitting distance of Lancashire.
Thanks for watching and for taking the time to comment, it's much appreciated!
Sandy’s boot was found with his foot inside, but it still doesn’t mean that his body was not removed long ago. In decomposition your foot usually comes off relatively quickly so in theory it could have detached and moved or been covered too deep in snow when china removed his body and now has been seen through the snow melt
I think it's worth it to go to Lassa, and fine the museum.
A part of Irwin’s body was recently found. 😊
8 months later..... They found his boot
Looks like you will need to rename this video! Very exciting news… they found Sandy’s foot and boot.
This is the most logical explanation for why Irvine’s body hasn’t been found. Thank you.
Found today.
@@TheRealSimpsons1 Yes. It follows.
Fascinating viewing. A query for anyone out there. Apologies if its been asked elsewhere. Regards the camera- would the temperature on the mountain not render the film stock irretrievable? If the film stock was preserved/ 'frozen in time' would the silver halides present in the film not deteriorate throughout the subsequent years and result in any imagery held on the film unprintable as the years went on?
Best Hari
It’s incredible hard to trust the Chinese about anything at the same time it’s not hard to believe they would do something like this so idk
October 2024 has entered the chat.....
If the locations of both bodies are known by GPS, and the route they took is known, then an approximate fall location could be estimated. Knowing both climbers were seen going strong for the summit. Then is the estimated fall location below the last time they were seen?
Irvine Found today, October 2024.
I want someone to climb the never climbed before mysterious Zig Zag route that we are told could be the route M and may have took.
Thanks for watching! Jake Norton has scoped that entire area out and has doubts that anything other than the Norton Couloir itself is even feasible. I saved some of my conversation with Jamie (future release) about route possibilities for M&I and he says in '06 he watched two Swedish guys try to downclimb the couloir, and one tragically fell to his death.
It seems to me if M and I took the Norton route they would be on the NW side of the peak and nowhere near the last step but one that Odell claimed he saw them at. @@EverestMystery
I agree, I wish more people would search that area of the zig zag route and the couloir route. They should find some oxygen bottles or maybe pack frame. I really think they went that way and didn't follow the NE ridge to the second step. I believe they went under it the way Norton and Somerville did and the way the rest of the British tried to go.
10/10 video and interview, and an incredible message in your outro. Earned a Sub from me 👍
Thanks so much, I really appreciate it and am glad you found the video!
Am I the only one that thinks this is complete BS? With this much interest in this particular story, keeping it on the down low sounds extremely fishy to me. I also have serious doubts about the Chinese version of anything concerning Mt Everest.
It's the CTMA, not the Chinese....which has a high percentage of Tibetans. Also, Jamie discusses this in the interview, that he thinks possibly they never had any reason to hide it and always assumed we knew what happened, and that they think the joke is on us for launching these expensive expeditions to go find him
I think leaving them alone at rest....It's not the ghost you need to fear it's the living!!!!They where in different times ...They had their chance...Leave him as a mystery cause if discovered he will be forgotten.......
Yes.
Valid Point 👍 @@fishead1967
irvine fell into a crevasse
Well... that didn't age well!
@notfromthisworld7672 it actually DID. In fact, this interview gains much relevance because of the recent find
Great video! I wish we could know for sure ans it wasn't a big secret.
Me too! Thanks for your support, I really appreciate it
Was just about to head out until I saw this had been posted dinner can wait!
I would think finding this museum should be the number one thing and there are a lot of mountaineers out there that have a lot of damn money you can easily find someone that could throw out enough money to be given the opportunity to see these boots and potentially have the chance to at least take pictures for a monetary value, everyone likes money, especially People from that region would love to have American dollars.