CANON R5 C vs. C70 // Which one is best for Filmmaking?
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- Опубликовано: 13 июл 2024
- CANON R5 C vs. C70 // Which one is best for Filmmaking?
The Canon R5C proved that it has potential as a Cinema Camera but how does it
compare to a dedicated Cinema Camera : the Canon C70?
Which one is better suited for Filmmaking?
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00:00 Intro
01:30 Funcionality
02:50 Image Quality
07:50 Conclusion
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I am with you on the assessment. The image out of the C70 and KOMODO is much more filmic to me too. :). Thanks for sharing!
Thanks Carlos for your feedback :)
8K non raw format has always been available on the R5C - even on pre production models. However it doesn't show up if you have the XF-AVC format selected. 8K is only available in MP4 format.
Thanks for your feedback
great video thank you!
Thank you for your comment and watching :)
Great comparison, I also really like the C70 and it’s a fantastic camera. :)
Interesting light break down at the end :)
Thanks I’m glad that you like my video :)
To clarify, the R5C does offer 8k in non-RAW format. I believe it is h.265 and it is heavily compressed and limited to 30 fps, but it is there. Also you can shoot RAW in 6K in Super35 cropped mode. I could have sworn it also had 4K RAW but I can't remember (I rented it a few weeks ago, I don't own one so don't recall all of the resolution and frame rate options).
Hm that is weird on my testmodel I only had the options available I was talking about
Hello! It records 8k mp4 yes. And 6k raw aps-c mode. And you can also choose 16mm 4k raw, i think. Cheers
@@pauleporterdp maybe your test model did not have all of the formats or the most recent firmware? It should be similar to how you would select H.265/mp4 on the C70. I don't remember exactly how it's called, but that same format on the R5C offers an 8K option but limited to 30 fps max, not 60 fps.
thanks for this cool information! Which one would you say is better in terms of shadow recovery and dynamic range...the c70 or the sigma fp ?
Clearly the c70 😎
Thank you. You helped me making my decision about which one to buy. 💪
Thank you for watching. For which one do you decide?
@@pauleporterdpThe C70, I've received a great offer for a demo unit 🎉❤🥳
Nice 👍🏻
I’m impressed with the performance of the FSI 45MP sensor in the R5C. Holy grail for me would be FF DGO 4K sensor in C70 body with internal ND, but that is asking for a lot! Meanwhile, I enjoy my R5C very much. Also, if R5C line skips every other line that still leaves native 4K DCI for the 120p. Personally, I think there isn’t much difference between the two at 120p except for the pixel pitch.
Thanks for your feedback ☺️ yeah FF DGO would be awesome 😎
I totally agree😊
Thanks for watching and your feedback.
Thanks this was really helpful although I Liked the Komodo the Most.
Thanks for watching :)
Great video Paule . What you think about Canon R3 compare to R5c for run & gun applications? Thanks
The R3 is an awesome camera. I would go with the R3 since it has a great battery life.
@@pauleporterdp Is there any another big advantages for R3 over the R5c?
I really like ergonomics of R5c but after watching many videos of that camera, I have a feeling that the R3 would be a better investment over the R5c.
Very interesting comparison thank you
And how would the r5c compare to something like a z-cam e2 f6 in terms of dynamic range and image quality?
Thanks, I owned the F6 for over a year and would say und dynamic range of die Z cam is slightly better.
The image of the F6 looks also more organic so I definitely prefer the F6
You can also check on my channel there are plenty videos about the Z Cam F6
@@pauleporterdp Thanks a lot for your reply, this is very valuable information as I could not find a direct comparison with the r5c. There are a few r5 vs f6 but the r5c is supposed a bit better than r5 and I was curious to hear how it would feel to a professional.
Yes I have watched your f6 content, especially the very nice review which provided valuable information footage 👍🏻
Thank you I’m happy that I was able to help :)
The best comparison. I own the C70 and need a B- or travel camera.But maybe I wait for the R6 mark ii even it seems not too promising
Thanks for your feedback and I’m glad that you like it :)
Would you choose the fx3 or the r5c for documentary/vlog content I like to take pictures also great content
I think both are great options for this but since the FX3 has a better battery life and better low light it should be more useful for your purpose
R5c for sure
Thanks for watching :)
I got both camera too. The ease of use of the c70 is better. The only things that could have been better for the C70 would be a bit sharper image and a bit better AF. And most importantly an other recording media like Cfast express B like in the R5C, SD cards are such a bad choice for a current cinema camera in all aspects. You can get a 512 GB CFast card for $200 and for the same card in SD you will have to spend like $500. And when you consider the speed of the Cfast cards versus the SD it's a no-brainer too.
Totally agree SD is an odd choice but will see when and if a c90 or c50 comes - I’ve seen some rumours about it but for quite a while there is no new information out
Just found this, wondering if you tried running the C70's monitor at +2 luminance. That setting increases the backlight massively. And makes a massive difference when shooting outdoors.
Thank you yes I had it at +2 and I think in general the brightness of the c70 monitor is good. But a viewfinder is always better to judge the image when shooting outdoors:)
I kind of got boxed in to getting the C70 because the R5C was my a cam and I did not want to buy another one and have all the same issues. There really wasn't many choices for me with Canon. Every videographer I talk to told me to get the C70. Functionality-wise it is the superior camera and having all those features is amazing. However I have noticed shooting raw on both cameras presents noise that I hate in the shadows. The only way I can get rid of the noise is to overexpose my image. Although one overexposing the R5C skin tones look pretty washed out. The C70 has a smaller sensor and needs that extra light indoors. I am thinking the only way to fix this is to use expensive noise removal services or use a speed booster with the C70.
Thanks for watching.
The noise in the shadows is not actually the camera is the canon Raw codec and the log 2 curve.
It is actually normal to denoise raw you do that on a RED and ARRI as well.
Raw is the sensor signal which also contains noise.
In resolve there is fantastic Noise reduction built in.
@@pauleporterdp I assumed in raw it was giving you raw camera data therefore it was going to be more noisy. I have tried the VR noise removal in premiere Pro. I was talking to my friend earlier and he told me I should try DaVinci. Cap cuts denoiser worked really well surprisingly. I just don't like the color adjustment. Thank you so much!
So if your shooting in XFAVC or MP4 it should also be less noisy. :)
Can we use sigma 18-35mm lens on both of this camera? Which adapter suit well? Will get any drawback by using crop sensor on these camera?
On the c70 you need the rf to ef adapter from canon. You can use the sigma on the c70 since it has a s35 sensor which the Sigma is made for.
The R5C has a full frame sensor which will cause heavy vignetting with the Sigma
@@pauleporterdp Thank You so much..! ❤️🤝🏼
I think I always prefer the sharpness of the oversampled 8k sensor than the softer 4k sensor.
Thanks for your feedback :)
What about when you put it on 59 FPS and the dual gain output sensor doesn't work anymore? No one told me that until after I got the camera..... Sorry I was using voice to text
Well above 60 frames the dual gain does not work this is also stated on the website from canon.
Not having this feature in the rare case of using 120p is not a big issue.
@@pauleporterdp okay so I'm a little confused obviously. So if I shoot in 60 FPS is it using the dual gain? That is the part I don't understand. I usually try to shoot in 59.94 FPS intra frame. Just in case I want to slow it down or use the footage again in another timeline
No problem. So yes when you shoot in 59.95 frames you still using the full dual gain technology.
Only if you go in the menu to S&Q or Slow and fast mode (don’t know how it’s exactly called) and you set it to anything above 60 fps so 100 or 120 the camera is not using dual gain.
Hope can give the R5c clog2 and has a better battery option via firmware update or additional accessories
I think battery life won’t improve via firmware sadly. But I also hope for clog 2 in camera
@@pauleporterdp I mean via the accessories, like make a grip as adapter for BPA battery
What about the Canon R3 ? Would you recommend over any of these 2 ?
Because I would like to have video capabilities plus rain and dust proof and being able to take photos always help
I made a video about the R3.
ruclips.net/video/lKQqKFWPGRU/видео.html
So overall the Canon c70 is still superb when it comes to video. The R3 has the same problem that you monitor in clog3 when shooting raw but when you bring it in the editor it is clog2 and it also doesn’t feature Timecode
Canor r5 C ❤
Thanks for watching :)
Sigma FPL 12 bit raw..
Olympus OM-1 12 bit ProRes raw
Which one is best
Haven’t tested one of them but from what I’ve seen the FP looks very promising
the c70 looks the most "filmic" in that 3 camera test... looks the most like filming on a studio 35mm film camera with the roll off etc
Thanks for watching and I totally agree.
The C70 overall has better dynamic range than the R5C at iso 800 as it has less noise in the shadows. However the R5C has the same or slightly better highlight rolloff than the C70 at the same exposure.
Thanks for your feedback
¿Como activo la función de reducción de luces?
What do you mean?
Is the dynamic range on the C70 much better than the R5C?
Well when recording in XFAVC on the R5C you can only shoot in canon log 3 which is rated at 13 Stops of DR.
In Raw you get canon log 2 which is rated at 15 Stops.
Comparing both cameras with canon log 2 it’s as I said in the video : the c70 is maybe half a stop better due to the DGO Sensor. It’s not much and in most scenes not visible.
But the fact that you have to shoot raw on the R5C to get clog 2 means that burn through data if you want 8k fine but it’s a lot of data.
On the c70 you can always shoot in clog2 no matter if you shoot raw or XFAVC
The other point I mentioned is how the sensor renders the image and the image out of the c70 just looks gorgeous and very filmic the R5 C looks nice to but very digital in my opinion.
@@pauleporterdp Thanks a lot for your clear explanation, now I understand it
This video has too much unpleasant high frequencies. Perhaps the audio should not be processed so much.
The information is interesting, but the sound of the voice is not very good.
Ok thanks for your feedback.
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Nein in Bayreuth ;)
I just don’t understand how the R5C can have more compromises. When it is Full frame, has an evf, has 8k, over samples the 4k and 4k 60 has slightly better autofocus, takes pictures at 12/20 fps and isn’t limited by bitrate because of the sd card.
Yes The R5C takes more work, but it’s not limited with , xlr adapter, vnD adapter, battery grip or vmount .
There’s nothing you can do to overcome using 300mb sd card speeds , full frame(you can get close w speed booster), an evf, c70 sharpness and photography.
The compromise is the limited battery life and the micro hdmi.
If you use the camera for video only it’s fine but if you want to use it for photo as well as video and that’s how the camera is targeted then you have compromises since the rig for video you don’t want to have when taking stills
@@pauleporterdp exactly. In professional environments, wires/external interfaces/batteries=points of failure. As others have said, the holy Canon grail would be a FF DGO, but since that doesn't yet exist, I think the C70 gets closer to it than does the R5C. Great video, bud!
I completely agree with your comments. The R5C is an extraordinary camera with remarkable video functions and features. Additionally, let’s not forget that the R5C is an extremely capable photo camera as well. I am at a loss as to the publisher’s reasoning as it made no sense at all. Perhaps I’m missing something (?)
I think you have to understand the main thing is a mirrorless look. To me that's the only compromise I'm willing to avoid. the DR alone will make me pick the c70 over the R5C. The image is just beautiful. The R5c looks like everything else out there. I can spot the difference in ever blind test I watch.
Got it. Excellent point. It (the R5C) is particularly sharp/digital. In fact, having watched quite a few reviews on the R5C, users often opt to use some sort of pro mist filter in order to soften the image. I guess nothing’s perfect.😊
C70 looks much more natural, by a mile.
Yes exactly. Thanks for watching
No , r5c can shot 8k in 10 bit
Interesting on my test model it wasn’t available
Yep it can definitely shoot in both 10bit and 12bit raw
It can shoot in 8K 10-bit HEVC in clog3 up to 30fps.
@@jessejayphotography it can shoot 12 bit raw 8k up to 60fps. No autofocus. If plugged into a pf charger it gets 8k 60 w autofocus .
@@RockyMaiviaMiami I know. I own a R5C. In the video he stated it only shoots 8K in RAW. That is not correct. There is a non RAW 8K mode available.