Fratello Talks: Waitlists, Limited Editions, And Things That Make A Watch Worthwhile
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- Опубликовано: 16 окт 2024
- Today, RJ and Lex join Nacho for a varied chat centered around the topic of things that make a watch worthwhile. From waitlists to limited editions and even watches for special occasions, added value is not really a matter of price. Does a reasonable wait add to the experience of eventually owning a watch? And does too long a wait spoil the desire? This is one of the topics the guys tackle today. So is the matter of limited editions. These days, everything seems to be limited and exclusive, but does this spoil it for everyone? It seems that, on the other hand, a total lack of LEs from certain brands is also no fun. So where's the sweet spot? And what makes a watch worthwhile? Let's have a look at those on the guy's wrists this week and find out.
Nice discussion on limited addition. I have two limited edition to bring up. Nacho, take a look at the Cartier Santos Dumont from last year’s Watches and Wonder. Limited edition of 200. The Roman numerals made out Dumortierite mineral stone with brequet hands. Absolutely stunning. Another limited edition is the Zenith El Premerio Aaron Rodgers watch. The green dial is beautiful. I’ve seen it in person and it’s very attractive. The photos really do not do it justice.
“I like to add more variations of speedmaster to my collection “… i think long and hard before buying a tissot. These guys are very wealthy!
When I was waiting for the speedy Tuesday that was one long wait but boy all worth it!
Great point RJ about the thrill of the chase, the research, saving up, working hard and not just being gifted a watch. I pounced on a great deal on a brand new Speedy from an AD at a 35% discount ahead of when I was planning on getting it 2 years later. I had to take the deal because of saving so much money, but I always think about that I lost part of the experience in buying it in-person on that milestone day. I still have that feeling that I want that experience when my retirement milestone comes up this summer, but now that I’ve had the Speedy for the last 2 years, my eyes have wondered over to Rolex to fill that need. But I can’t afford both.
As a vertical collector (within a model from a single manufacturer), I totally empathise with RJ being excited by a variation on a theme. I do wonder how big a market that is but I also think Omega is missing out a bit by not doing limited edition Moonwatches any more. What does that mean for the 55th anniversary of Apollo XI for instance? I bought my first Speedy earlier this year (regular steel with Hesalite) and look forward to expanding on that (I bought an MD186 too, which doesn't fit that theme but still) with lots of the existing LE Pros but at some point I may well reach the same point as RJ, where I have what I want and am not seeing any new LEs.
So I’m 3.5 years in waiting for a Snoopy. It’s so unfair when I see RUclipsrs with big pockets walk into London boutiques and pick one up after waiting no time at all. I honestly blame Omega for their terrible communication and lack of ability to produce a product that they can’t make in a timely manner. I will collect my watch when it’s ready but honestly they have lost me long term. I would likely be eying up another purchase by now if I had recieved a snoopy earlier or more importantly recieved some information from Omega…. Like nothing in 3 years.
I just recently received my Seiko sje093 62mas recreation after 4 months for $3.5k. I don’t necessarily care it’s limited edition of 1,965 pieces because they’ve done a lot of variations throughout the years and one specific recreation (SLA017) in 2017 but over 14mm thick by 40mm. The sje is the most faithful to the original at 38mm by 12.5 thick (10mm without the domed crystal) and it’s perfect for my wrist. I don’t care if they do more because I love the one I have. The finishing and dial is exquisite. Better than the BB54 and I had them side by side.
And for people hating on a 6L37 movement saying it’s not comparable to the 8L35 I’m getting +1 sec a week. It’s a very slim movement comparable to the ETA 2892. Peace.
Great topic and input! 🙏🏼
Great discussion. I think RJ’s pt about a reasonable wait as long as the game isn’t rigged - ADs selling to the grey market - is accurate. If I think fellow watch lovers are getting the watches it’s better than seeing 30+ pages of Rolex GMTs on Chrono… for months.
That was really great. Thank you. This is a limited addition comment, enjoy!
How many times did he say I'm a "Speedmaster Collector", we get it you're a Speedmaster Collector 😀😀😀
If you didn't count it it doesn't count ;-)
@@robert-janbroer8936 can't help myself, it's everywhere...
As a fellow speedmaster collector I can totally relate. It’s not all fun and games collecting speedmasters..
With Rolex ADs it’s not the waiting that’s the problem, it’s the store manager wanting you to buy other things from them while you wait, even if you don’t want the other things they want to sell to you. I don’t object to a simple wait for a rare watch, but waiting for a watch produced in the tens of thousands of copies each year, that’s for sheep.
Baaaaah… 😂
I totally agree, waiting too long the excitement is gone… it’s just humans nature !
Great discussion, I think that the flippers market, and hyped models will start to diminish in the future.
The financial market will dictate where the watch market will go next, as in a case of another black swan event we might see a violent reaction in the watch market.
Omega deciding to not make limited editions while having a vast catalog is an oxymoron. They are benefiting from the sheep being tired of the mistreatment they receive at Rolex ADs and that’s made them overconfident. Limited editions and special editions are a marketing crutch that merchants of unessential and expensive goods will need unless they’re perceived as a “lifestyle brand” like Rolex has become. You know you’re a horological “lifestyle brand” when the people that buy your watch don’t really like the product, but like the image the product presents. That’s why Rolex ADs would try selling you a datejust rather than a submariner before the datejust became unavailable too. Many Rolex buyers just wanted a Rolex, and any Rolex would do.
Interesting talk! The hunt and research is part of the joy of owning a watch. I hunt for under 1k ones...Would never be interested in wait list watches.
Regarding waitlists, I had way more negative experience with Omega then with Rolex.
Then? So both? Or did you mean than?
Weight list… yeah that’s me😁
I would love to hear your thoughts on Rolex lack of policy relative to servicing reported stolen watches. In fact Rolex policies are encouraging theft by accepting to service stolen watches vs Patek’s zero tolerance for servicing stolen watches.
Arjan says a certain speedmaster limited edition is 5000 pieces. Then there is a point about Seiko has limited edtions in their thousands and the suggestion seems to be that's not really limited? My Seiko shu iro Samurai is a limited edition of 3500 pieces so...😂
It all depends on the total production number. Seiko produces more watches than Omega, so relatively a few thousand Seiko LEs is not that much given the total amount of watches they produce per year.
@@FratelloMagazine That's not my point. If 5000 speedmasters limited seems to be okay for Omega. 3500 Seiko shi uro watches are more rare and should be considered so. Also the speedmasters are in a different class but that's not my point. Thanks for replying...
It’s very limited if I only have one of each watch 😅
I hate the "I need to be the first to have it" mentality. It's childish behaviour.
Guy on the right with the glasses needs to chill and let the other hosts speak