Very nice especially on winter pump gas @ 19psi with that timing correction. What that dyno illustrates is exactly what we wanted to do (power still climbing up top to 7000rpms) where the Oem is dead in the lower 5000ss. Average power over a broad range of rpm is what makes cars fast and drives perfect & that's what that turbo does very well. We have another car that makes 35psi by 2900 rpms & is north of 700whp on e50. That turbo is a perfect universal turbo & will do extremely well on a Rd course. Lastly I wouldn't get wrapped up to much in 60-130 times as it really don't illustrate how 1 car stacks up against another in a race from 60. That run looked like he just hit the gas, no break boost or anti lag etc. We have cars in the 7s on pump gas but fuel quality is much better & psi is 3-4 more etc.. Great job man!
my 440 ultraflow and a friends 340 hypercore is tuned through subpar tuning and well and he has clearly stated to us that e40 is our race maps and the other maps are not pushing the car that much (not race maps). other tuners could extract more from 93 or lower ethanol levels however this way my car stays safe and i keep my transmission alive longer so i am happy with it.
Hey Kern, great video. I am curious how the 1/4 mile time would have been on 93, maybe can circle back to it and do a 1/4 mile comparison for 93 oct vs E
Thanks for sharing! Typical whp number for upgraded turbo on pump gas but torque is a little low. I wonder if a top tier gas 93 like shell would’ve made a difference. For instance on my N54 I made 477whp and 476wtq on upgraded turbos with 91acn which is the worst fuel you can get in the country and IAT over 100 degrees but it was on shell gas
Curious to see if the timing improves with Shell 93 instead of that non top tier Speedway gas 🤢Glad to hear you had good luck with Doug, unfortunately he wasn't able to dial in my 340i GC after 20+ revisions (kicking myself for not going flow max, vargas customer service is the worst). Odin had me dialed in after 4 revs, why'd you stop using him?
Kern may you please make a video on which is more reliable, The gen1 or gen2 b58? I more concerned about which is more reliable when tuned to make around 500hp because let's be honest who keeps it stock😂
Could he run around finding a dyno reading over 500 & a lot more tq sure those dynos are everywhere tbh but this looks more like a legit dyno & I always tell people don't worry about the # worry about the results (use the same dyno to see accurate changes) is what's most important
With the flex fuel I heard shoup doesn’t change much until you move all the way up to e40 from e0. So if you ran say e25 you’re not making much more per/trq than just pump 93. Is Doug the same?
Just wondering why ethanol is available in the US at every pump station, because ethanol has less energy than standard pump fuel (e.g. 93oct) resulting in more needed fuel for the same amount of power resulting in much higher fuel consumption. For sure, in terms of tuning it's great due to its high knock resistance, but for standard cars I do not yet get it.
1. It's not available at every pump 2. It's cheaper than gas 3. It's better for the environment because it's made from a renewable resource (corn) instead of fossil fuels
@@kern417 2. Would you say the price reduction compesated the additional fuel consumption? And what about fuel lines and fuel pressure pumps of standard/stock cars: Are they prepared/adjusted specifically for the US market and its ethanol availability/usage?
@@gwspom typically yes but just depends. Like when gas is over $4 a Gallon and E85 is less than $2, it's worth it. But the flex fuel sensors you see people using come stock on some cars. OEMs design flex fuel cars with fuel systems that can handle it.
@@gwspom if you google flex fuel cars you'll see a list of cars that come with flex fuel from the factory. It's not like how we use it to make more power, but it can adjust to make the same power regardless of ethanol content. Some people like EVs/Hybrids, others by flex fuel cars to save money. Just depends.
@@kern417 Crazy to hear that standard pump fuel costs less than half of what it costs here in Germany. Ethanol would be a great thing in Europe too, not only from cost perspective but also in terms of the environment. But I don‘t think it will still get introduced, because the politics are aiming for EVs only.
Hard to say, no one has gone that far. There are still inherent issues with pump gas like heat, but 600 would definitely be easier with low compression and higher boost levels. Spool and response would suffer though.
Was expecting it to be faster. I mean on my M140i i Got 473hp / 673nm on stage 2. Only downpipe and Tune. No Tu hpfp or nothing. Just 98Ron and a 7.49 100-200km/h
@@kern417 Great, thanks. It's about 1-1.5 seconds off also for my M140i xDrive between stock and hybrid turbo with 98 RON only. Around 530 hp to the crank.
Hey bro was wondering How much you think I’ll make hp wise if I got full bolt ons and dorch stage 2.5 upgrade heat exchanger on my m240 . I got the daw turbo ultra flow with it I still haven’t tune it yet .
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When will this turbo be available for sale on their website? All I see is their Ultra flow only.
@@ForceFed next few weeks if not sooner
Time to hit my local Kern Raceway
In Mexico of course
LOL The face intros lately are hitting. Please don't stop!
Very nice especially on winter pump gas @ 19psi with that timing correction. What that dyno illustrates is exactly what we wanted to do (power still climbing up top to 7000rpms) where the Oem is dead in the lower 5000ss. Average power over a broad range of rpm is what makes cars fast and drives perfect & that's what that turbo does very well. We have another car that makes 35psi by 2900 rpms & is north of 700whp on e50.
That turbo is a perfect universal turbo & will do extremely well on a Rd course.
Lastly I wouldn't get wrapped up to much in 60-130 times as it really don't illustrate how 1 car stacks up against another in a race from 60. That run looked like he just hit the gas, no break boost or anti lag etc. We have cars in the 7s on pump gas but fuel quality is much better & psi is 3-4 more etc.. Great job man!
I have an ultra flow and I love it
my 440 ultraflow and a friends 340 hypercore is tuned through subpar tuning and well and he has clearly stated to us that e40 is our race maps and the other maps are not pushing the car that much (not race maps). other tuners could extract more from 93 or lower ethanol levels however this way my car stays safe and i keep my transmission alive longer so i am happy with it.
both our setups are di only*
E50 better than E40
@@340istephencan’t really get a full tilt e50 on di only. Ds25 caps around e45
@@340istephen upgraded turbo better than stock turbo 😝
Time to clean the interior especially that shiny steering wheel😅 All love!
Doug FTW 🎉
Damn, I just ran 9.09 100-200 on flex fuel map with base fuel set to 95ron, E40 in my G31 that weighs in around 2100kg 🎉
100-200 is over 10% faster than 60-130
Nice vid brotha
awesome!!
Hey Kern, great video. I am curious how the 1/4 mile time would have been on 93, maybe can circle back to it and do a 1/4 mile comparison for 93 oct vs E
Unfortunately my car isn't really equipped for quarter mile times
Thanks for sharing! Typical whp number for upgraded turbo on pump gas but torque is a little low. I wonder if a top tier gas 93 like shell would’ve made a difference. For instance on my N54 I made 477whp and 476wtq on upgraded turbos with 91acn which is the worst fuel you can get in the country and IAT over 100 degrees but it was on shell gas
that was cool
I’m running a 6466 turbo feels a bit laggy with .94 ar on exhaust side.
Good video. Still running the tu pump?
This car has the BN manifold, will you run your PI through it or staying DI only?
Hell yeah
Thanks for the video, do you think you can make more power with your EFR turbo 440i on pump gas only?
My m850 vert does high 10s 60-130 stock I suppose I should be happy with that,flashing soon.
Curious to see if the timing improves with Shell 93 instead of that non top tier Speedway gas 🤢Glad to hear you had good luck with Doug, unfortunately he wasn't able to dial in my 340i GC after 20+ revisions (kicking myself for not going flow max, vargas customer service is the worst). Odin had me dialed in after 4 revs, why'd you stop using him?
Kern may you please make a video on which is more reliable, The gen1 or gen2 b58? I more concerned about which is more reliable when tuned to make around 500hp because let's be honest who keeps it stock😂
Could he run around finding a dyno reading over 500 & a lot more tq sure those dynos are everywhere tbh but this looks more like a legit dyno & I always tell people don't worry about the # worry about the results (use the same dyno to see accurate changes) is what's most important
With the flex fuel I heard shoup doesn’t change much until you move all the way up to e40 from e0. So if you ran say e25 you’re not making much more per/trq than just pump 93. Is Doug the same?
Do you think the pure850 is a good beginning turbo upgrade, since you don’t need to send in a core anymore ?
Is this the ultraflow or is it a newer version?
how to you get a bigger turbo js to make 500whp it doesn’t make sense
It does if you want to be fast without Ethanol or Methanol. Most people don't.
Just wondering why ethanol is available in the US at every pump station, because ethanol has less energy than standard pump fuel (e.g. 93oct) resulting in more needed fuel for the same amount of power resulting in much higher fuel consumption. For sure, in terms of tuning it's great due to its high knock resistance, but for standard cars I do not yet get it.
1. It's not available at every pump
2. It's cheaper than gas
3. It's better for the environment because it's made from a renewable resource (corn) instead of fossil fuels
@@kern417
2. Would you say the price reduction compesated the additional fuel consumption?
And what about fuel lines and fuel pressure pumps of standard/stock cars: Are they prepared/adjusted specifically for the US market and its ethanol availability/usage?
@@gwspom typically yes but just depends. Like when gas is over $4 a Gallon and E85 is less than $2, it's worth it.
But the flex fuel sensors you see people using come stock on some cars. OEMs design flex fuel cars with fuel systems that can handle it.
@@gwspom if you google flex fuel cars you'll see a list of cars that come with flex fuel from the factory. It's not like how we use it to make more power, but it can adjust to make the same power regardless of ethanol content. Some people like EVs/Hybrids, others by flex fuel cars to save money. Just depends.
@@kern417
Crazy to hear that standard pump fuel costs less than half of what it costs here in Germany. Ethanol would be a great thing in Europe too, not only from cost perspective but also in terms of the environment. But I don‘t think it will still get introduced, because the politics are aiming for EVs only.
I just got tuned when I put my pure800 in and now I hear a metal tapping noise. Safe to say Im upset and probably need to rebuild the engine now.
no wayyyyy, what have you checked?
@@SantosoMunggara Haven't been able to check anything. I'd need a scope or something to see the inside of the engine
try not to drive it have a good mobile tech come to see maybe it’s something to be fixed
So would I be able to make north of 600 or 700 if I went with 9:1 pistons on 93 pump gas?
Hard to say, no one has gone that far. There are still inherent issues with pump gas like heat, but 600 would definitely be easier with low compression and higher boost levels. Spool and response would suffer though.
Was expecting it to be faster. I mean on my M140i i Got 473hp / 673nm on stage 2. Only downpipe and Tune. No Tu hpfp or nothing. Just 98Ron and a 7.49 100-200km/h
Sounds like you need to watch the video again
@@kern417 i know fuel is a depending factor, i was just coming to a conclusion that its Wild what fuel quality and weight can do🙂
@@MJ_M140 like i said, it's a low boost tune for track duty. If we wanted to push it further it's most likely possible.
Did you say you only got a 60hp Increase with the new turbo on pump gas vs stock turbo?
Correct
@@kern417 I was really expecting to see something pushing closer to 100hp as with some gen 2s. Have you made any further progress with tuning?
@@ruebarb1 like i explained in the video, gen 2s have lower compression so more headroom on pump gas. It also depends on the quality of the fuel.
@kern417 Thank you, was just hopeful you could get more with further tuning. I appreciate your response and all of your content.
what turbo do you recommend to make 600 whp can use an ethanol mix where im located.
vargas gc+, puré 800 some more
This one
What clutch and flywheel to handle the power?
ZF 8sp auto.
Can you also tell the 100-200 km/h times?
Sorry about that. 8.05
@@kern417
Great, thanks. It's about 1-1.5 seconds off also for my M140i xDrive between stock and hybrid turbo with 98 RON only. Around 530 hp to the crank.
Hey bro was wondering How much you think I’ll make hp wise if I got full bolt ons and dorch stage 2.5 upgrade heat exchanger on my m240 . I got the daw turbo ultra flow with it I still haven’t tune it yet .
100-200 ? :D
Sorry I keep forgetting to add that. 100-200 was 8.05 at 19psi
No worries. 19psi was the last map ? I guess your 93 isn't very good ?@@kern417
Too bad your not showing the actual process on the phone , lots of people don’t know how to do it
man kern you should stop molesting the f30 chassis and ge a s55 for track use
Imagine seeing a car handle what I'm throwing at it this well and you call it Abuse 😌
Dumb question, can I make over 600hp (Crank) only with pump fuel ??