As you know I've been enjoying the lore side of the game a lot lately so I'm gonna continue with some of these videos with weapon/frame videos in between and also some other games on down time. Have a great day all
One thing I haven't seen mentioned. Since the Drifter is a version of us that didn't get rescued...that means that the Warframes never rebelled against the Orokin. It's very possible that the Orokin might still be alive in the Drifters version of the Origin System...assuming we could ever leave the Void on the Drifters side.
I had this concept lore for a warframe that still has a human-like face, a unfinished frame. It starts with a tenno practicing her void energy, on transference with a Test frame model. Something goes wrong with the transference, the tenno feels as if she was being pulled by another force, it felt wrong. Margulis looks on in concern as she screams in pain, and for help, Margulis tried to save the child somehow. Then The tenno, her physical form turned to ashes, Leaving a Void form of the tenno, being pulled away from the testing chamber, to a Frame creation chamber on the opposite side of Lua. Corpus and grineer were working this facility, overseen by ballas. it wasn't long till ballas heard news of a unfinished frame waking up screaming with echoes of a child in pain. Ballas allowed the screaming voice to continue for 4 days before getting annoyed. BUT then, there was laughter, a growing sound of hysteria emanating from the creation chamber, Multiple unfinished frames were now laughing, then a deafening Explosion occured, destroying almost all of those creations *except one*. The blast caused a lua shard(moon rock) to land on ballas, it hit him in the head lol, he KO- but what happened in that room? A portal to the void ripped open, and the man in the wall was speaking to the half-tenno frame, this was the only character that would learn the entirety of Wally's plan.
How cool would it be if naeberus had an invasion system where the three horrors hunted the tenno for their transference? Could go all out horror with total darkness like the old infested missions too.
I don't want them to end up as a laughing stock when they inevitably would be casually beaten in less than a minute due to power creep. This threat almost ruined the story for me, like, granny, whom are you trying to scare? A void demon armed with a park of technocite murderbots and arsenal of warcrime generators honed for all kinds of battles?
In the Vitruvian Ballas speaks about infestation and how it was created - outer colonies were turned into "gardens" for the infestation to thrive and evolve. So they literally commited genocide and poisoned a shitton of people. Not to mention why the Sentients turned against them - a lifeform created to be slaves. Or look at the Grineer - poor bastards were literally brood to be labourers without asking any questions.
The sentients were not just made to be slaves but slaves to be disposed of as soon as the job was done. The plan was to have them build a solar rail network in Tao and Tera-form the planets then an intentional defect in the rail system design they were given would blast them lethal amounts of void energy when it was turned on to exterminate them. The Grineer are also suffering clone rot due to similar purging precautions that were triggered by the fall of the Orokin. Grineer were engineered to be sterile so the Orokin could shut down the clone factories if they rebelled. After their fall the Grineer took over the facilities but didn't have access to the original DNA so they have been making copies of copies.
@@nobodyimportant2470 Not only that, but purposely breeding out the 'defect' mutation of 'pacifism'. They're literally trying to breed their original programming out of the strains to make only violent monsters that will commit mass genocide without question. Seeing their original programming as a defect instead of the intended design.
So much is hidden in the corners and or just missing its too easy to have no idea about the lore. When was the last time someone thought about the grineer being on the offensive after centuries of being the weaker faction? Only heard of that in Two Star Players anna plays because Nik explains that to Anna. Ingame reality is the grineer and corpus were in balance for the entire existence of this starchart and for a while before that too.
Well most online games don’t have a lot of lore like warframe. They probably see it as just a simple hack and slasher shooter based game with quests. But the real warframe fans like you, me and millions of others see more
Not even just new players. Even most of the veterans don't really care. I'm confident if you asked someone like nightmareframe or grindhard squad to explain the story of Warframe they wouldn't know.
Wait, do you mean to tell me the Orokin, a group of people who used bio weapons without a thought of the consequences, and then created an army of child soldiers to deal with the horrors that unleashed, are the bad guys?
@@Miller053There are actually a series of collectables you can get that will lead to him explaining his past to you. I'd suggest watching a video of the outcome, though, as the process is incredibly long to collect them, there are no in-game quest objectives set for you Dsiege did a really good video about it where he shows the lore without having to go through the long-winded process. ruclips.net/video/KcJral6AewU/видео.html
Imagine if there was a segment or mission somewhere, where we end up giving Ordis a mechanical body and he backs us up in said mission or something. Instead of only being able to control the Orbiter, he could also control the mechanical body we give him.
this is the part where he jacks a frame but Umbra tries to stop him, only to just agree to get the Operator out of whatever clusterfuck they managed to become a part of.
The Grineer Worm Queen on the Kuva Fortress makes some pretty horrifying announcements. She talks about making food slurry out of lazy grineer clones, disemboweling those that don't make work quota's and generally laughs at the horrible lives those poor cloned bastards lead. Very dark and all said in her high pitched girlish voice.
@@gatorwarrior7557 Whatever slaughter a Garuda in her prime form could've made was probably more spectacular than anything. Just imagine an orokin being ripped into a fountain of blood and gore!
Let us find the body of ordan karis and give us the choice to put him back in his body, or better yet use the void/plains of duviri to travel back to the time where his body was disposed of after the jade light and retrieve it.
Consider that ordis has a 2nd personality which is very keen on bloodlust ("I hope you return - COVERED IN BLOOD - save and sound"), could it be that that personality is actually who he was before?
After reading up on lore about him, I wouldn't be surprised if he wanted to become something along the lines of a Warframe himself (minus the possession part). He clearly wanted to fight and wanted glory in battle: kinda seems like he wanted a warframe-like body for him to be able to use.
Can we point out how there is no reason at all for the Orokin to be stealing bodies when they could just be printing their own designer bodies that barely age, if at all?
I am convinced that the Orokin were able to create bioligicaly immortal bodies, but chose not to use them because after a while that bodie would get out of fashion, and cloning would have probably been seen as lowly or even disgusting by their standards.
@@arondudas6208 As it you said this is correct new bodies equal new outfits as even divising themselves as above "Death and Form" why settle for a boring immortal body when when you could have that kid over there
There is no logic there. There is no reason they would do so except for writers wanting to force a peoples to be evil for the sake of it. Though perhaps there's an argument for requiring a living true body that perhaps contains some important life essence or oro within it to perpetuate continuity. In which case, you'd think they'd none the less be competent enough to suspend animation while the host possesses or remote operates avatars to use with their actual body safe and kept from aging.
The blue kuva makes me wonder if there are Orokin-controlled Warframes. We know some of the Orokin survived, and they knew the power of the Warframes. Just something interesting I hope they follow up on
Pretty sure they wouldn't be able to use any abilities. The abilities are Tenno powers powering them. The warframe likely acts like an amp for the powers.
@@Captain_Draco I mean maybe some of the warframes the orokin use may not be primes but perhaps umbras of some kind I mean look at umbra at the start of his quest he didn't have a tenno but he could still use his powers hek maybe some of the other dax survived and agreed to becoming frames or were forced who knows
I mean... what did you think the Stalker is? He's not a Tenno, he doesn't just USE a modified Excalibur warframe, all signs point to him BEING that frame... more or less permanently.
@@josephpotter5766 i did once agree to a theory that stalker may be umbra son but I later made own witch was teshin because teshin dose have a dislike towards warframes maybe more of a personal one
Actually the Silver Grove quest answers this. The Transference into Warframes is way too powerful, and it's essentially suicide to try it if you don't have the void power to control it. The Orokin couldn't control the Warframes, but they could control the Tenno that controlled the Warframes. You gotta remember the Orokin love having luxury, and the risk of transferring into a Warframe isn't at all worth it to them. But they could control the Tenno, which is kind of the same thing.
The thing that got me about Warframe was the fact that even the good guys aren't good. Lotus, at her best, enlisted super powered immortal child soldiers to kill her enemies by the thousand. No one who actually fights in this conflict has any say about it. So much of the corpus society is based on debt and the lengths you have to go to in order to gain profit, it's not unreasonable to expect that they would send indentured slaves to fight the war for them. the Grineer are clones that are bred for nothing but war, regardless of what or who they wish to be. then there's the enemies in the void, who are obviously mind controlled versions of the regular soldiers you run into from day to day. Centuries after the fall of the Orokin, the elites still exploit the weak for their own purposes.
The Lotus is also a terrible mother, and always was, who fully intended to keep us asleep, on ice, forgetful, and never allow us to grow up, forever. The only reason we had to wake up is because Hunhow found out where we slept. She's the perfect example of the Oedipal mother who infantilizes her children because she doesn't want an empty nest. And the rest you say is right, which is pretty terrible considering we murder all these enemies by the MILLIONS without second thought.
The Tenno are not innocent either: they willingly choose sides between the Corpus and Grineer (a choice that the Lotus didn't actually make them do: _they_ decided to do it for themselves). Furthermore, they engage in ableism (as evidenced by the fact that Rell, who is Autistic, was cast out by the Tenno and Margulis).
@@_cjrriley they are children. Marguiles recruiting them is literally a war crime, but of course they would go to war for their mother. As for the abelism, they were a product of their environment, just like any child. They grew up in a world that idolized a twisted version of perfection, even the 'good' people treated different people badly. To accuse them of abelism simply demonstrates your privilege in growing up in a world that tries to treat people better. I grew up when it was ok to call people names that are inexcusable now. Where you were weird for standing up for those who were different and that was just as bad as being different. Think of the most virtuous 40 something you know and I promise you, they aren't innocent, they just grew up to be something better.
@@jonathonclary1681 I’m sorry, but being raised in an environment that idolizes perfection doesn’t justify or excuse ableism. The Tenno (or at least the Operator), in the past (before the game’s events) have shown that they can, at least in some sense, understand right from wrong. In the Second Dream quest, the Operator’s reaction to witnessing a kid holding another kid by their throat shows that they have some sense of moral discernment. Yet they chose not to intervene and to become a bystander. And it would be inappropriate to assume that they were the only Tenno that had this thought. Claiming I have “privilege” because I brought up ableism not only is arguing in bad faith, but it’s also misrepresenting my stance. I beg of you to address my points without attempting to attack my character or experiences. I came here for a healthy discussion: not a finger-pointing match. Your assumption is also an incorrect one: I grew up with African-American parents, and the environment around mental health in the African-American community is terrible, especially since I'm Autistic, so they treated me and another Autistic sibling as idiots. So to say I have "privilege" when I had to endure ableism myself from my own parents and my own community is quite demoralizing. While the Tenno may have grown up in an imperfect environment, there are times within the Orokin Empire that challenge the notion that they are more than capable of understanding right from wrong (such as the little girl from Grandmother’s Nabirus story. It’s more than valid to critique the actions and behaviours of the Tenno, including their participation in factional invasions and their treatment of Rell. This can help us create a deeper understanding of the complex narrative of this game we play. But to dismiss any attempt to nullify those points because they live in a different world than ours, or due to their age, is disingenuous at best. The major point that I'm making is that the Tenno are not innocent. I'm not claiming that they are just as bad as the Grinner, the Corpus, the Lotus, Magulius, the Man in the Wall, or any other character in this game. I am simply saying that they have their own flaws, and it's important to recognize those faults and not dismiss them.
i think one of my favourite bit of creepy trivia is the origin of ancient healers, imagine being subconsciously linked to your twin and feel them die in your brain and then live again but absorbed into the technocyte
@@mitab1 it's a little dicey due to the difference between gameplay and lore but I'm pretty sure warframes are pretty evenly matched against Space Marines. Of course Warhammer still wins since the imperium has over a million worlds and warframe takes place in 1 that is contested by several factions, but still
The man in the wall’s story was the best part of the new war IMO as they somehow added more details to him while at the same time, raised up his mystique to an all time high - destiny players are sticking with it to figure out the plan of savathun and wf players have the far more mysterious man in the wall to deal with -- it’s a good time to be into looter shooter lore haha
Honestly, Warframe's story is better for sure, but it sucks how it takes 5+ years for any continuation. Meeanwhile Destiny continues the story every season (3 months).
@@Ceelker I haven't played it after that sunsetting stuff ...the dlcs I have paid for vanished just like that And they made gear invalid too, bungee is becoming greedy af
I played D2 this past week (because 3 expansions were f2p temporarily lol) and I have to say the story is convoluted, vague and very poorly presented. Apparently it spreads back into some very old expansions that are no longer available, so you can expect every second line of campaign dialogue to mention someone you've never heard of before or some very important event that you also don't recognize. Mainly though I just don't think the main lore is quite as deep as in warframe- the Light and Dark are poorly explained (they are some fundamental energies but apparently the Dark has some consciousness, because it infects your "desires"? It is a play on the Force from Star Wars which is also pretty vague), the Traveller is helping civilizations and then abandoning them for unknown reasons, and some evil entities attacked humanity during a "Dark Age" (again for unknown reasons).
The darkest part of warframe, imo, is the fact that we have to wait another 2 years or so to get the next chapter. By the time they finished telling the whole story, I'd probably be on my deathbed or dead...
also i can't see Margulis doing continuity if she wasn't okay with killing the Tenno. she must have been a newly ascended Orokin or doing continuity in a more humane way. maybe she did it in a way that kept the previous consciousness of the body she took. maybe that's why she had more humanity than the rest of them. i can also see an option where she wanted to keep the Tenno alive so she can wear their bodies lol it would be a huge fucking plot twist. we thought she is the best orokin mom ever and then turns out she just wanted to use us the whole time.
Your lore videos are great! i much prefer this kind of content rather than more builds, wich honestly we kinda don't need unless you're trying to go for endurance runs. Keep it comming!
those concept arts of Orkin buildings look sick. Maybe one day we can actually travel to the past get a look at what it was actually like back then. Even just a glimpse in a cinematic quest would be cool.
when you think about it the Tenno at some point probably saw that stuff in its best form. For all we know we had an Ayatan as a night light in our bedroom on the 10-0.
Love these lore videos. Recently tried to get back into warframe after not playing since fortuna release, but just can't get passed how grindy all the new stuff is, and after not playing for a while, the amount to collect is a little daunting. Will always love the lore and the universe though.
11:25 Keep in mind that the sword steel making being "only just" was Umbra thing, as he was a very early experiment. Warframes were originally meant to be free of the infestation's madness, and loyal to the Orokin, but they turned on the Orokin, and had to be put down. The original Warframes made like Umbra was, were "consigned to the grave" whatever that means. I took it to mean that all Warframes save for Umbra are essentially dead. What was once a brain, is probably just a bunch of infested stuff instead, the Helminth having already long since killed the host. So, they're probably just super-infestation corpse puppets now. After all, using Kuva to pilot a corpse isn't exactly hard.
Great editing and using ingame audio and visuals. Love these videos even if they can't always be a consistent thing. Above all else, you are enjoying doing them and it shows
I say that Ordis is our Drifter who has thus preserved his memory, a wanderer who has never met our operator, while in our timeline we know him and in so doing, knowing us changed his destiny, the new war and as if it has already happened in another life as if something were repeating itself and just if this paradox will happen in two paradoxes, I say it, we will see, we will see, and if it were really so it means that I come from the future xD
the operator we use after the new war is not the same operator that fell into the portal when ballas hit us, ordis or is our drifter, or it is our operator when ballas killed us and threw us into the portal it happened something they still don't want to tell us, we still don't understand and therefore our operator has preserved what remains of him by becoming ordis, and I say one more thing, excal umbra I think it's just our Teshin in another timeline, in the new war Tenshin says some names and I don't know why but it makes me think it has something to do with the story of our excalibu umbrar and that Ballas knows everything and practically the son of Umbra, he would be the son of you Teshin.And lastly I have this hunch that our operator created the Vitruvians for don't forget who he was before forgetting everything, that's why the operator remembers nothing of the Zariman.
It's even worse if using headphones. You get directional audio, with the last rap coming from one speaker, the second to last tap from the other speaker... And the final tap from both.
Love this video. Hope you consider touching on the infested next. I believe Orokin experiments with the infested is why they abandoned earth for a time too.
Now THIS was a first for me to hear about how Naberus came about. There's a mythical creature in my country akin to that poor Ostron with the long tongue called an aswang that goes out hunting at night for pregnant females; she squats on the roof of a straw hut and uses her tongue to enter the mother's gravid belly thru the navel to kill and suck out the fetus. Still gives me chills.
I did the sands of intros quest today. The story the woman tells is very sad. Listening to baros mother getting murdered while young baro calls to inaros for help which never comes. And listening to present baro commenting on the whole situation. Very sad indeed.
I believe, citing Valkyr and Umbra as my supporting evidence, that the body we print maintains all the memories and trauma of their original. Not all of the warframes are the original design. But all their pain is real.
@@TheRedstonian valkyr has a prime version and umbra is a special case where ballas purposefully left him with memories to torture him. The common running theory is that modern frames are cybernetics holding together infested material (considering even the names of their parts) as opposed to people being purposefully infested to create them like the old days. Basically we probably use creatures already infested and their differing personalities is a result of some sort of retained personality that is imprinted in their neuroptics. Our frames have their quirks not because they have retained memories but because they are copies of the beings that once did.
bro the drinking of the kuva explained so much with the red queens and dax to me that i had never even considered because i skipped pretty much all cutscenes for the sake of progression sadge
Never heard of the grandmother story and my goodness it was the chills. Honestly would have loved if we knew about the remains in necramechs too then again i don't think that has ever been explored.
11:19 uhh... i don't recall margulis create warframe for war, she just develop the transference to let tenno have a much safer body to operate, a place their power can be managed, not randomly outburst. but ballas turns them into war machines after margulis ragingly called out the orokin corruptness and sentenced to death. at least that's what i interpreted, in a sense, she "helped," but for battle was not her intention.
this is awesome! I think your lore videos are a really cool addition to the channel. Keep it up. Warframe lore is so vast and detailed its honestly amazing
Orokin & their immortality system reminds me of "Vorkosigan Saga",if any of you read it.That's what I like about WF is how they implement things from other games/movies/books but it doesn't seem Like a copy but more like a tribute.Like Nora from NW that is a constant reminder of good old "Warriors".Am I the only 1 who really loves Ordis?Admit it,game wouldn't be the same without him.Wish he could go with me like sentinel.After all,as he said it himself,his greatest wish is to fight alongside with operator.Ordis's umbra like Warframe would be cool.
I mean even on a surface level it's a nightmare verse. There are walking death machines that kill thousands in minutes, only nukes being more destructive.
Warframes are still more destructive then nukes, in the lore a single inaros warframe can cover a whole planet in a sand storm and don't even get me started on Limbo.
I think the frame lore is a bit more complex, if i remember correctly. In the umbra excalibur quest we learn that the original frames were created from people, and there are lore drops for some of these frames (umbra for one). But they were ultimately a failure, until the tenno arrived. Other sources indicate that the frames currently used by the tenno are poor copies of the originals (the umbral frames). Even ones created by the orkin, but without using a human host, were not as good as an umbral. Primes are closer to umbrals, close enough that the daxx in maroos will remark about you wearing a friends skin.
i've been thinking about the posibility of, in the next update we can roam in the zariman ship wich is half in our system and maybe the other half is the zariman that we can see in the Duviri paradox, maybe thats the door to enter the durivi universe, i dont know if i am the only one thinking that.
Wow feckin brilliant mate! I really enjoyed watching this. The lore seems inconsequential when you are playing the game and running and jumping about like a mad fecker on speed shooting and chopping everything up. It’s really great to have videos like this that I can watch separately from the game experience and really soak up all the juicy information. Love it.
There is something kinda dark about the greeiner as some are actually in pain as they decay over time plus some are even made to just be some weird head things on Uranus witch they Apperley in pain the only funny thing in this whole comment
When you realize you're acting out the hobbes leviathan concept of "each against all" by the power vacuum the tenno created, and you see your total faction kill stats the quote of: "Don't be so naïve as to think you wouldn't participate in a genocide and enjoy it" - Peterson Hits diff. The "Entire Warframe story in (9 hrs?)" Is a great video if y'all love lore and underlying philosophy.
If you consider the fact that pretty much all Orokin tech is literally biomechanical (from the Unum to their ships and beyond) and made using whatever science/technique they fashioned to make the infested, the entire system is a literal horror show
kinda weird thought, but at 13:55 it almost looks like the man in the wall 'enters' lotus, and her smile when she turns around reminds me of the hey kiddo encounters
I still cant help but wonder after the shadow stretching affect that lotus had around her after the interaction with the man in the wall after the new war, if maybe instead of only 3 personalities in lotus, that there may now be a fourth. And that perhaps one day, lotus or Margolis or Natah, may actually become our enemy again, not out of choice, but because the man in the wall, is master of the house now. And biding his time until hes in full control. It wouldn't surprise me considering the people who created the story, if after all that kill lotus mentality they created on the community, if they decided to string that out even farther, to use another day in the future, when the man on the wall arc comes into full play. Get us all to let our guards down a bit, and then sucker punch us all from our blind spot. That being the Lotus3. Or if the man in the wall uses her as the gateway out. A skin that he sheds one day in the future, taking away our victory, and leaving us with a new enemy. After all, DE loves using other movies and themes as "inspiration" in their game. Lol
Well the zamramain ten zero in general now that I think back to it I wonder if were ever going to help Rell considering the next mainline update after the new war like imagine if we got to help Rell and other Tenno while the entire ship is going co co for co puffs that in my opinion would be nice because outside of Rell and maybe Sevagoth's operator we have not interacted with other Tenno that isn't a player (forgot to mention the 3 Tenno we talked to during the new war) .
Yeah i thought this too but i guess it means convincing other orikin that you are an orikin and not some horrific twisted child monster and that may not be so easy
I have a complex theory on this I will try to make incredibly brief, but given what the Man in the Wall actually says to us, I think he basically shows up, laughs in our face, says that pretty much everything up until now was by his design or knowing, basically that arriving at that point was a predictable or orchestrated situation on his part all in an effort to get Ballas to use Lotus to open the way for him to escape the void. Given the order of the mods he says, I believe he is essentially describing everything of the Tenno's journey up to his reappearance in front of us, and the order of the words he says are actually simple descriptions of all the major quests we have done in order, ending with his arrival. He is laughing at how well everything worked, essentially, and everything that has happened to this point was an elaborate scheme to free him from his prison. I think he plans to use Lotus moving forward for continue enacting his means, and I think the visions Lotus has gotten so far are visions of her getting corrupted by the Man in the Wall that she doesn't want to tell us, and I think that is why we saw him wearing Lotus's helmet. I think he plans to use transference to BECOME the Lotus, so to speak, and take her power for himself in the "physical" realm while also capturing the biggest weakness to the Tenno and the Sentients at the same time. How better to control the Tenno than to take the Lotus hostage? It's the singular move he could make to immediately subjugate the entire system if he for whatever reason does not have the means to do it in his current form.
Excellent breakdown, potato. These sorts of vids giving a bit of linked Warframe lore are irreplaceable content that keeps the game alive and interesting for me. Well done, and much thanks!
The lotus/ AI cannot see the Man in The Wall. When he appears only the operator see's him. Thats possibly why she kind of denies or argues if the man in the wall is real
I find it interesting how the Entrati family (other than maybe the Son) doesn't seem to realize that they are infestation now. All of them are just personalities in the same entity. They are now just a stain if infestation, but one that suffers multiple personalities. Creepy to think about.
Always really cool to see WF channels that's mostly done weapon/frame videos actually delving into Warframe's lore as well. The lore is definitely the biggest thing that's kept me around.
Now that the Zariman is out, have you checked those hologram tablets yet? They shed some more light on the shrouded history of the Orokin society. There were lots of normal people in that society, but they weren’t very much higher than Grineer or Sentient slaves. The Orokin saw that they had already given normal humans a great mercy simply by allowing the to eat and breathe.
Am I the only one who noticed the lotus smile like why smile in a moment like that unless?? The man in the wall somewhat burrowed into her mind to take control maybe that why’s it makes us choose a certain type of lotus /Natah / margulis maybe bc it’s all gonna lead up to the end on how our choices play out , like picking natah maybe she helps you fight the last of the orokin (man in the wall) and if you pick regular lotus it will just play out the same and you’ll have the lotus on your side but tbh my biggest theory on this is what if you choose margulis and he consumes her and takes control of her (orokin body form ) and turns on you to get exactly what I believe he wants , which would be to get the missing Finger from the Zaramin and escape the prison he is in bc I feel like the man is in prison and stuck in the wall and rell trapped him there and left the finger on the zariman which was lost in the void and after the new war the zariman escapes the void and now with the solar system weak and everyone’s trying to rebuild he’s gonna make his move bc he couldn’t get control of our body but maybe if we drank the kuva back in the war within maybe it’s a way to be connected to not only the queens but him also because they are all connected because of the kuva is a link into minds and immortality so what if we drank the kuva all along to only fight an evil corrupted lotus / Margulis bc not only that but before we got to see ourselves mimicked by the man in the wall he has always had a peice of the lotus with him either always her helmet or even now her hand during the new war when he puts his hand out to you so I feel he is connected to the lotus more than anyone who was also originally a sentient which ballas turned into margulis bc he lost the women he loved so he tried to recreate her in his own image and then wanted children and then also created in his own image which he fell in love with and wanted to protect because he saw the power they bestowed and wanted them to obey him at his barking order and I feel like the man in the wall is the one who made the helmet for the lotus so he can spy and watch everything going on despite the heartbreak it would of course bring ballas to ruin and make him insane and want control over everything and with ballas being the last of his kind I feel like it was all planned out by the man in the wall for ballas to lose and break the barrier he was held in (the sun) and finally take over the lotus and find a way to get out of the prison of stone he is in and have the lotus get the last peice he needs which is his finger to be “complete “ and I feel like the lotus will use us at first hand to help the man in the wall be complete and escape the prison maybe ballas put him In because he was afraid of his power and was scared he wouldn’t have the power to have everyone kneel at his feet so he had a court rule and the orokin placed him in a stone prison and kuva locked his only key to get out his finger which means he would have to be complete in order to escape so which is why the zariman was chosen to keep it safe within the void to only have the passengers aboard get void possession and turn into what is called a zariman Angel which was planned by the orikin I believe to protect the relic but the kids got infected by the void so much to where they gained supernatural powers which scared the orikin when they couldn’t control them and decided to use the invested to fight them to only end up in ruin and extinction with only ballas left to rule and plan his return after the old war and Tenno were lost but soon finds out and tries to regain control over the lotus to bring us to him so he can get what he wants us to kneel but I feel Like it was all a plan for the man in the wall to soon escape and get his revenge on the Tenno and the orokin family on Deimos which is related to ballas which could be the one who imprisoned him and in the end I see the sentients and the Tenno teaming up against the man in the wall and the lotus who has been his pawn this entire time to use us to break him out , and btw the blue kuva what if that turned the orokins into sentients ? I mean there bodies were twisted up scary no eyes and had different abilities once they consumed it? Idk just a thought because they were skinless and eyeless and they made a chitter chatter snap noise so hmmm what if the orokin were really fighting an evolved version of themselves because of the blue and red variations of kuva P.s my bad that’s a lot
With the zariman released and the hold fast and what they are? How fucked up would it be to just be an embodiment of somebody's memories, having your consciousness slip between being an echo or turning into feral manifestation of the Eldrich entity that is the void, hellbent on killing the echos of your friends.
While the Orokin were by no means the good guys, they weren't entirely responsible for Ordis's damaged state. Oh, they certainly turned him into a Cephalon. But Ordis' current state is something he did to himself, multiple times. He kept wiping his memories because he kept remembering who he used to be. It's a wonder he even held together as well as he did. A part of me was hoping his "death" in TNW was permanent, if only so he could be at peace. But that didn't happen, so the cube gets to suffer more.
As you know I've been enjoying the lore side of the game a lot lately so I'm gonna continue with some of these videos with weapon/frame videos in between and also some other games on down time.
Have a great day all
Lore stuff is my favorite stuff. Great video.
One thing I haven't seen mentioned. Since the Drifter is a version of us that didn't get rescued...that means that the Warframes never rebelled against the Orokin. It's very possible that the Orokin might still be alive in the Drifters version of the Origin System...assuming we could ever leave the Void on the Drifters side.
Love these vids, i understand if you dont want to completely become a law channel but i would never say no to more
I had this concept lore for a warframe that still has a human-like face, a unfinished frame.
It starts with a tenno practicing her void energy, on transference with a Test frame model.
Something goes wrong with the transference, the tenno feels as if she was being pulled by another force, it felt wrong. Margulis looks on in concern as she screams in pain, and for help, Margulis tried to save the child somehow.
Then The tenno, her physical form turned to ashes, Leaving a Void form of the tenno, being pulled away from the testing chamber, to a
Frame creation chamber on the opposite side of Lua.
Corpus and grineer were working this facility, overseen by ballas.
it wasn't long till ballas heard news of a unfinished frame waking up screaming with echoes of a child in pain.
Ballas allowed the screaming voice to continue for 4 days before getting annoyed. BUT then, there was laughter, a growing sound of hysteria emanating from the creation chamber, Multiple unfinished frames were now laughing, then a deafening Explosion occured, destroying almost all of those creations *except one*.
The blast caused a lua shard(moon rock) to land on ballas, it hit him in the head lol, he KO-
but what happened in that room? A portal to the void ripped open, and the man in the wall was speaking to the half-tenno frame, this was the only character that would learn the entirety of Wally's plan.
Definitely loving your lore explanation 👏
Keep up the good work man
How cool would it be if naeberus had an invasion system where the three horrors hunted the tenno for their transference? Could go all out horror with total darkness like the old infested missions too.
That's what I thought they were gonna do to begin with but evidently not
They're probably long dead by now
Though I guess that makes it even creepier
@@ThatOneAnnoyingPubPlayer I mean, there's always Technocyte Virus to fix this... why not have them as Infected monstrosities?
HELL YES!! And limited WF capabilities too! Operator battles are now made so much cooler (and should come back more)
I don't want them to end up as a laughing stock when they inevitably would be casually beaten in less than a minute due to power creep. This threat almost ruined the story for me, like, granny, whom are you trying to scare? A void demon armed with a park of technocite murderbots and arsenal of warcrime generators honed for all kinds of battles?
I know for a fact Grandmother was the one who made the three Orokin stuck in their Ostron bodies.
I did not know that. That is awesome.
Where did it say that again?
I thought the brother f'd up and let the infested in.
@@Mord12gp not related lmao
I would totally believe this because as we have seen, Grandmother don't fuck around.
In the Vitruvian Ballas speaks about infestation and how it was created - outer colonies were turned into "gardens" for the infestation to thrive and evolve. So they literally commited genocide and poisoned a shitton of people.
Not to mention why the Sentients turned against them - a lifeform created to be slaves. Or look at the Grineer - poor bastards were literally brood to be labourers without asking any questions.
Its quite sad that this is realistic.
This is what people would do.
The sentients were not just made to be slaves but slaves to be disposed of as soon as the job was done. The plan was to have them build a solar rail network in Tao and Tera-form the planets then an intentional defect in the rail system design they were given would blast them lethal amounts of void energy when it was turned on to exterminate them.
The Grineer are also suffering clone rot due to similar purging precautions that were triggered by the fall of the Orokin. Grineer were engineered to be sterile so the Orokin could shut down the clone factories if they rebelled. After their fall the Grineer took over the facilities but didn't have access to the original DNA so they have been making copies of copies.
@@nobodyimportant2470 Not only that, but purposely breeding out the 'defect' mutation of 'pacifism'. They're literally trying to breed their original programming out of the strains to make only violent monsters that will commit mass genocide without question. Seeing their original programming as a defect instead of the intended design.
@@nobodyimportant2470 Yes, and the queens lived perpetually since the old war probably because they were harvesting Kuva
@@nobodyimportant2470 god that's so much worse than I realized.
I do like it when bigger channels talk about lore because newbies seem to skip right over it
It's more on that they just don't really care
So much is hidden in the corners and or just missing its too easy to have no idea about the lore. When was the last time someone thought about the grineer being on the offensive after centuries of being the weaker faction? Only heard of that in Two Star Players anna plays because Nik explains that to Anna. Ingame reality is the grineer and corpus were in balance for the entire existence of this starchart and for a while before that too.
Well most online games don’t have a lot of lore like warframe. They probably see it as just a simple hack and slasher shooter based game with quests. But the real warframe fans like you, me and millions of others see more
Lore fills the contents droughts haha
Not even just new players. Even most of the veterans don't really care. I'm confident if you asked someone like nightmareframe or grindhard squad to explain the story of Warframe they wouldn't know.
Wait, do you mean to tell me the Orokin, a group of people who used bio weapons without a thought of the consequences, and then created an army of child soldiers to deal with the horrors that unleashed, are the bad guys?
I keep forgetting that Ordis used to be a badass, would love to get some more lore on him pre-cephalon tbh.
A New War esque mission of Ordin Karris kicking ass would be pretty sweet.
@@Miller053There are actually a series of collectables you can get that will lead to him explaining his past to you. I'd suggest watching a video of the outcome, though, as the process is incredibly long to collect them, there are no in-game quest objectives set for you Dsiege did a really good video about it where he shows the lore without having to go through the long-winded process. ruclips.net/video/KcJral6AewU/видео.html
Imagine if there was a segment or mission somewhere, where we end up giving Ordis a mechanical body and he backs us up in said mission or something.
Instead of only being able to control the Orbiter, he could also control the mechanical body we give him.
this is the part where he jacks a frame but Umbra tries to stop him, only to just agree to get the Operator out of whatever clusterfuck they managed to become a part of.
The Grineer Worm Queen on the Kuva Fortress makes some pretty horrifying announcements. She talks about making food slurry out of lazy grineer clones, disemboweling those that don't make work quota's and generally laughs at the horrible lives those poor cloned bastards lead. Very dark and all said in her high pitched girlish voice.
She is very corrupt, and I would love to see her overthrown.
I will say this just once:
9 /10 times genocide is objetively wrong,
wiping out the orokin was and will always be the right thing to do.
Very true!
the way i see it, they destroyed themselves.
Their sins just caught up to them.
Wish I had a piece of that carnage.
@@TimesOldRoman Imagine the sight of them being hunted down a charging rhino prime only to run into chroma prime
@@gatorwarrior7557 Whatever slaughter a Garuda in her prime form could've made was probably more spectacular than anything. Just imagine an orokin being ripped into a fountain of blood and gore!
I hadn’t listened to Grandmother’s story about Naberus yet before watching this. Damn, that was so much more cruel than I was ready for.
So well told though right?
@@TacticalPotato Very well told, yes. Though I think maybe a bit unnecessary to exist in the first place. Just…damn.
I'm excited to hear/talk more about Ordis. I think there is a TON of super interesting things that DE could do with him.
*birdis
Let us find the body of ordan karis and give us the choice to put him back in his body, or better yet use the void/plains of duviri to travel back to the time where his body was disposed of after the jade light and retrieve it.
Consider that ordis has a 2nd personality which is very keen on bloodlust ("I hope you return - COVERED IN BLOOD - save and sound"), could it be that that personality is actually who he was before?
After reading up on lore about him, I wouldn't be surprised if he wanted to become something along the lines of a Warframe himself (minus the possession part). He clearly wanted to fight and wanted glory in battle: kinda seems like he wanted a warframe-like body for him to be able to use.
@@Voidstroyer i mean yeah thats confirmed
Can we point out how there is no reason at all for the Orokin to be stealing bodies when they could just be printing their own designer bodies that barely age, if at all?
I am convinced that the Orokin were able to create bioligicaly immortal bodies, but chose not to use them because after a while that bodie would get out of fashion, and cloning would have probably been seen as lowly or even disgusting by their standards.
@@arondudas6208 As it you said this is correct new bodies equal new outfits as even divising themselves as above "Death and Form" why settle for a boring immortal body when when you could have that kid over there
There is no logic there. There is no reason they would do so except for writers wanting to force a peoples to be evil for the sake of it. Though perhaps there's an argument for requiring a living true body that perhaps contains some important life essence or oro within it to perpetuate continuity.
In which case, you'd think they'd none the less be competent enough to suspend animation while the host possesses or remote operates avatars to use with their actual body safe and kept from aging.
they thought twins were icky because they shared the same dna, imagine lab-grown bodies were beneath them. also they're sadists.
I'm guessing that they knew the end result of all that cloning since they were the ones making the Grineer.
The blue kuva makes me wonder if there are Orokin-controlled Warframes. We know some of the Orokin survived, and they knew the power of the Warframes. Just something interesting I hope they follow up on
Pretty sure they wouldn't be able to use any abilities. The abilities are Tenno powers powering them. The warframe likely acts like an amp for the powers.
@@Captain_Draco I mean maybe some of the warframes the orokin use may not be primes but perhaps umbras of some kind I mean look at umbra at the start of his quest he didn't have a tenno but he could still use his powers hek maybe some of the other dax survived and agreed to becoming frames or were forced who knows
I mean... what did you think the Stalker is? He's not a Tenno, he doesn't just USE a modified Excalibur warframe, all signs point to him BEING that frame... more or less permanently.
@@josephpotter5766 i did once agree to a theory that stalker may be umbra son but I later made own witch was teshin because teshin dose have a dislike towards warframes maybe more of a personal one
Actually the Silver Grove quest answers this.
The Transference into Warframes is way too powerful, and it's essentially suicide to try it if you don't have the void power to control it.
The Orokin couldn't control the Warframes, but they could control the Tenno that controlled the Warframes.
You gotta remember the Orokin love having luxury, and the risk of transferring into a Warframe isn't at all worth it to them. But they could control the Tenno, which is kind of the same thing.
The thing that got me about Warframe was the fact that even the good guys aren't good. Lotus, at her best, enlisted super powered immortal child soldiers to kill her enemies by the thousand.
No one who actually fights in this conflict has any say about it. So much of the corpus society is based on debt and the lengths you have to go to in order to gain profit, it's not unreasonable to expect that they would send indentured slaves to fight the war for them.
the Grineer are clones that are bred for nothing but war, regardless of what or who they wish to be.
then there's the enemies in the void, who are obviously mind controlled versions of the regular soldiers you run into from day to day.
Centuries after the fall of the Orokin, the elites still exploit the weak for their own purposes.
The Lotus is also a terrible mother, and always was, who fully intended to keep us asleep, on ice, forgetful, and never allow us to grow up, forever. The only reason we had to wake up is because Hunhow found out where we slept. She's the perfect example of the Oedipal mother who infantilizes her children because she doesn't want an empty nest.
And the rest you say is right, which is pretty terrible considering we murder all these enemies by the MILLIONS without second thought.
I keep on repeating to not have a morally biased take on warframe because like real life warframe universe does not care about morals
The Tenno are not innocent either: they willingly choose sides between the Corpus and Grineer (a choice that the Lotus didn't actually make them do: _they_ decided to do it for themselves). Furthermore, they engage in ableism (as evidenced by the fact that Rell, who is Autistic, was cast out by the Tenno and Margulis).
@@_cjrriley they are children. Marguiles recruiting them is literally a war crime, but of course they would go to war for their mother. As for the abelism, they were a product of their environment, just like any child. They grew up in a world that idolized a twisted version of perfection, even the 'good' people treated different people badly. To accuse them of abelism simply demonstrates your privilege in growing up in a world that tries to treat people better.
I grew up when it was ok to call people names that are inexcusable now. Where you were weird for standing up for those who were different and that was just as bad as being different.
Think of the most virtuous 40 something you know and I promise you, they aren't innocent, they just grew up to be something better.
@@jonathonclary1681 I’m sorry, but being raised in an environment that idolizes perfection doesn’t justify or excuse ableism. The Tenno (or at least the Operator), in the past (before the game’s events) have shown that they can, at least in some sense, understand right from wrong. In the Second Dream quest, the Operator’s reaction to witnessing a kid holding another kid by their throat shows that they have some sense of moral discernment. Yet they chose not to intervene and to become a bystander. And it would be inappropriate to assume that they were the only Tenno that had this thought.
Claiming I have “privilege” because I brought up ableism not only is arguing in bad faith, but it’s also misrepresenting my stance. I beg of you to address my points without attempting to attack my character or experiences. I came here for a healthy discussion: not a finger-pointing match. Your assumption is also an incorrect one: I grew up with African-American parents, and the environment around mental health in the African-American community is terrible, especially since I'm Autistic, so they treated me and another Autistic sibling as idiots. So to say I have "privilege" when I had to endure ableism myself from my own parents and my own community is quite demoralizing.
While the Tenno may have grown up in an imperfect environment, there are times within the Orokin Empire that challenge the notion that they are more than capable of understanding right from wrong (such as the little girl from Grandmother’s Nabirus story.
It’s more than valid to critique the actions and behaviours of the Tenno, including their participation in factional invasions and their treatment of Rell. This can help us create a deeper understanding of the complex narrative of this game we play. But to dismiss any attempt to nullify those points because they live in a different world than ours, or due to their age, is disingenuous at best. The major point that I'm making is that the Tenno are not innocent. I'm not claiming that they are just as bad as the Grinner, the Corpus, the Lotus, Magulius, the Man in the Wall, or any other character in this game. I am simply saying that they have their own flaws, and it's important to recognize those faults and not dismiss them.
i think one of my favourite bit of creepy trivia is the origin of ancient healers, imagine being subconsciously linked to your twin and feel them die in your brain and then live again but absorbed into the technocyte
Warhammer 40k and warframe have ALOT in common Especially the fucked up life is for the common man
@@mitab1 it's a little dicey due to the difference between gameplay and lore but I'm pretty sure warframes are pretty evenly matched against Space Marines. Of course Warhammer still wins since the imperium has over a million worlds and warframe takes place in 1 that is contested by several factions, but still
Where did you get that lore from?
@@Hoogalindo Simaris scanning targets, the ones behind the main console. Each complete target gives you a bit of lore.
@@jithebee Brilliant. Thanks, pal.
I understand grandmother's Naberus story much better now, with better context. So much creepier now. Thanks Potato!
Yeah, becoming a Necromorph for Halloween.. I mean Naberus is real dedication.
Dedication.. Deadication.
@@kayleighdrew6111 i see what you did there, well said
The man in the wall’s story was the best part of the new war IMO as they somehow added more details to him while at the same time, raised up his mystique to an all time high - destiny players are sticking with it to figure out the plan of savathun and wf players have the far more mysterious man in the wall to deal with -- it’s a good time to be into looter shooter lore haha
Destiny is inferior.
@@Dlo2018 ya I agree and only have even started to play destiny again to get in on the lore - I spend most of my time in wf with stuff to do lol
Honestly, Warframe's story is better for sure, but it sucks how it takes 5+ years for any continuation. Meeanwhile Destiny continues the story every season (3 months).
@@Ceelker I haven't played it after that sunsetting stuff ...the dlcs I have paid for vanished just like that
And they made gear invalid too, bungee is becoming greedy af
I played D2 this past week (because 3 expansions were f2p temporarily lol) and I have to say the story is convoluted, vague and very poorly presented. Apparently it spreads back into some very old expansions that are no longer available, so you can expect every second line of campaign dialogue to mention someone you've never heard of before or some very important event that you also don't recognize. Mainly though I just don't think the main lore is quite as deep as in warframe- the Light and Dark are poorly explained (they are some fundamental energies but apparently the Dark has some consciousness, because it infects your "desires"? It is a play on the Force from Star Wars which is also pretty vague), the Traveller is helping civilizations and then abandoning them for unknown reasons, and some evil entities attacked humanity during a "Dark Age" (again for unknown reasons).
The darkest part of warframe, imo, is the fact that we have to wait another 2 years or so to get the next chapter. By the time they finished telling the whole story, I'd probably be on my deathbed or dead...
also i can't see Margulis doing continuity if she wasn't okay with killing the Tenno. she must have been a newly ascended Orokin or doing continuity in a more humane way.
maybe she did it in a way that kept the previous consciousness of the body she took. maybe that's why she had more humanity than the rest of them.
i can also see an option where she wanted to keep the Tenno alive so she can wear their bodies lol it would be a huge fucking plot twist. we thought she is the best orokin mom ever and then turns out she just wanted to use us the whole time.
Archimedeans weren't orokin. They were a class of mortal humans that specialized in research and scientific pursuits.
Your lore videos are great! i much prefer this kind of content rather than more builds, wich honestly we kinda don't need unless you're trying to go for endurance runs. Keep it comming!
Same bro. After New War I am officially a lore junkie
It would be interesting if somehow in the next Naberus event we fight the spirits of the 3 Orokin trapped within the decayed and mangled Ostrons.
Would be very cool. They could hunt us for our bodies. Really gives DE the option for a good horror event to happen on a dark tileset.
those concept arts of Orkin buildings look sick. Maybe one day we can actually travel to the past get a look at what it was actually like back then. Even just a glimpse in a cinematic quest would be cool.
when you think about it the Tenno at some point probably saw that stuff in its best form. For all we know we had an Ayatan as a night light in our bedroom on the 10-0.
Love these lore videos. Recently tried to get back into warframe after not playing since fortuna release, but just can't get passed how grindy all the new stuff is, and after not playing for a while, the amount to collect is a little daunting. Will always love the lore and the universe though.
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Keep in mind that the sword steel making being "only just" was Umbra thing, as he was a very early experiment. Warframes were originally meant to be free of the infestation's madness, and loyal to the Orokin, but they turned on the Orokin, and had to be put down.
The original Warframes made like Umbra was, were "consigned to the grave" whatever that means.
I took it to mean that all Warframes save for Umbra are essentially dead. What was once a brain, is probably just a bunch of infested stuff instead, the Helminth having already long since killed the host.
So, they're probably just super-infestation corpse puppets now. After all, using Kuva to pilot a corpse isn't exactly hard.
Great editing and using ingame audio and visuals. Love these videos even if they can't always be a consistent thing. Above all else, you are enjoying doing them and it shows
Thank you. Really loving making them and the editing process more than weapon or frame builds
I say that Ordis is our Drifter who has thus preserved his memory, a wanderer who has never met our operator, while in our timeline we know him and in so doing, knowing us changed his destiny, the new war and as if it has already happened in another life as if something were repeating itself and just if this paradox will happen in two paradoxes, I say it, we will see, we will see, and if it were really so it means that I come from the future xD
the operator we use after the new war is not the same operator that fell into the portal when ballas hit us, ordis or is our drifter, or it is our operator when ballas killed us and threw us into the portal it happened something they still don't want to tell us, we still don't understand and therefore our operator has preserved what remains of him by becoming ordis, and I say one more thing, excal umbra I think it's just our Teshin in another timeline, in the new war Tenshin says some names and I don't know why but it makes me think it has something to do with the story of our excalibu umbrar and that Ballas knows everything and practically the son of Umbra, he would be the son of you Teshin.And lastly I have this hunch that our operator created the Vitruvians for don't forget who he was before forgetting everything, that's why the operator remembers nothing of the Zariman.
Damn man I need whatever you’re smoking
@@IAmDaDumb1 it's a secret 🤫
The man in the wall holds a greater presence. It's like an ant looking at a human. There isn't a way to know what it is or it's greater meaning
Me: "Playing a text based RPG, relaxing, listening to this video."
Video: Rap tap tap
Me: "hides in a corner"
*RAP TAP TAP*
It's even worse if using headphones. You get directional audio, with the last rap coming from one speaker, the second to last tap from the other speaker... And the final tap from both.
I like lore Potato.
Don’t forget the cruelty that is decaying argons
I absolutely love warframe i wish we could get more quests asap
Love this video. Hope you consider touching on the infested next. I believe Orokin experiments with the infested is why they abandoned earth for a time too.
Now THIS was a first for me to hear about how Naberus came about. There's a mythical creature in my country akin to that poor Ostron with the long tongue called an aswang that goes out hunting at night for pregnant females; she squats on the roof of a straw hut and uses her tongue to enter the mother's gravid belly thru the navel to kill and suck out the fetus. Still gives me chills.
I did the sands of intros quest today. The story the woman tells is very sad. Listening to baros mother getting murdered while young baro calls to inaros for help which never comes. And listening to present baro commenting on the whole situation. Very sad indeed.
Warframe lore never been more interesting
You're very good at explaining it
Would love to see more videos like that
Keep these types of videos up. I love gritty, dark and twisted lore videos on warframe.
Don't forget that only prime warframes and umbral warframes are people. Non primes are made in the foundry using infested
I believe, citing Valkyr and Umbra as my supporting evidence, that the body we print maintains all the memories and trauma of their original.
Not all of the warframes are the original design. But all their pain is real.
@@TheRedstonian valkyr has a prime version and umbra is a special case where ballas purposefully left him with memories to torture him. The common running theory is that modern frames are cybernetics holding together infested material (considering even the names of their parts) as opposed to people being purposefully infested to create them like the old days. Basically we probably use creatures already infested and their differing personalities is a result of some sort of retained personality that is imprinted in their neuroptics. Our frames have their quirks not because they have retained memories but because they are copies of the beings that once did.
bro the drinking of the kuva explained so much with the red queens and dax to me that i had never even considered because i skipped pretty much all cutscenes for the sake of progression sadge
Never heard of the grandmother story and my goodness it was the chills. Honestly would have loved if we knew about the remains in necramechs too then again i don't think that has ever been explored.
Dude I'm loving these lore videos keep it up this is awesome
In my opinion. If these themes were more in your face throughout the story. It would've made the story far more engaging at face values.
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uhh... i don't recall margulis create warframe for war, she just develop the transference to let tenno have a much safer body to operate, a place their power can be managed, not randomly outburst.
but ballas turns them into war machines after margulis ragingly called out the orokin corruptness and sentenced to death.
at least that's what i interpreted, in a sense, she "helped," but for battle was not her intention.
this is awesome! I think your lore videos are a really cool addition to the channel. Keep it up. Warframe lore is so vast and detailed its honestly amazing
Orokin & their immortality system reminds me of "Vorkosigan Saga",if any of you read it.That's what I like about WF is how they implement things from other games/movies/books but it doesn't seem Like a copy but more like a tribute.Like Nora from NW that is a constant reminder of good old "Warriors".Am I the only 1 who really loves Ordis?Admit it,game wouldn't be the same without him.Wish he could go with me like sentinel.After all,as he said it himself,his greatest wish is to fight alongside with operator.Ordis's umbra like Warframe would be cool.
3:38 It's not wiping out of existance, it's killing them. It would make sense for them to go to Heaven.
Love these types of videos Potato! Cannot wait for more!
I mean even on a surface level it's a nightmare verse. There are walking death machines that kill thousands in minutes, only nukes being more destructive.
Warframes are still more destructive then nukes, in the lore a single inaros warframe can cover a whole planet in a sand storm and don't even get me started on Limbo.
@@MEYH3M And Saryn's a bioweapon to end all bioweapons.
I think the frame lore is a bit more complex, if i remember correctly.
In the umbra excalibur quest we learn that the original frames were created from people, and there are lore drops for some of these frames (umbra for one). But they were ultimately a failure, until the tenno arrived.
Other sources indicate that the frames currently used by the tenno are poor copies of the originals (the umbral frames). Even ones created by the orkin, but without using a human host, were not as good as an umbral.
Primes are closer to umbrals, close enough that the daxx in maroos will remark about you wearing a friends skin.
i've been thinking about the posibility of, in the next update we can roam in the zariman ship wich is half in our system and maybe the other half is the zariman that we can see in the Duviri paradox, maybe thats the door to enter the durivi universe, i dont know if i am the only one thinking that.
Hearing Grandmother tell that story, never knowing that story even existed...
Literally a chill up my spine, dude.
Wow feckin brilliant mate! I really enjoyed watching this. The lore seems inconsequential when you are playing the game and running and jumping about like a mad fecker on speed shooting and chopping everything up. It’s really great to have videos like this that I can watch separately from the game experience and really soak up all the juicy information. Love it.
There is something kinda dark about the greeiner as some are actually in pain as they decay over time plus some are even made to just be some weird head things on Uranus witch they Apperley in pain the only funny thing in this whole comment
They also look very killable being as most of them are very ugly to even look at
When you realize you're acting out the hobbes leviathan concept of "each against all" by the power vacuum the tenno created, and you see your total faction kill stats the quote of:
"Don't be so naïve as to think you wouldn't participate in a genocide and enjoy it" - Peterson
Hits diff.
The "Entire Warframe story in (9 hrs?)" Is a great video if y'all love lore and underlying philosophy.
If you consider the fact that pretty much all Orokin tech is literally biomechanical (from the Unum to their ships and beyond) and made using whatever science/technique they fashioned to make the infested, the entire system is a literal horror show
Grandmother is a treasure !!!
those Amalgam Alkonosts can also be seen popping like rotting carrion within sentient murexes to give birth to brachiolysts
kinda weird thought, but at 13:55 it almost looks like the man in the wall 'enters' lotus, and her smile when she turns around reminds me of the hey kiddo encounters
I still cant help but wonder after the shadow stretching affect that lotus had around her after the interaction with the man in the wall after the new war, if maybe instead of only 3 personalities in lotus, that there may now be a fourth. And that perhaps one day, lotus or Margolis or Natah, may actually become our enemy again, not out of choice, but because the man in the wall, is master of the house now. And biding his time until hes in full control. It wouldn't surprise me considering the people who created the story, if after all that kill lotus mentality they created on the community, if they decided to string that out even farther, to use another day in the future, when the man on the wall arc comes into full play. Get us all to let our guards down a bit, and then sucker punch us all from our blind spot. That being the Lotus3. Or if the man in the wall uses her as the gateway out. A skin that he sheds one day in the future, taking away our victory, and leaving us with a new enemy. After all, DE loves using other movies and themes as "inspiration" in their game. Lol
Another warframe horror story; The current price of Arcane Energize
You missed the Infested. Insatiably violent and wanting to spread like contagious disease. The infested body becomes part of a scary hivemind.
Well the zamramain ten zero in general now that I think back to it I wonder if were ever going to help Rell considering the next mainline update after the new war like imagine if we got to help Rell and other Tenno while the entire ship is going co co for co puffs that in my opinion would be nice because outside of Rell and maybe Sevagoth's operator we have not interacted with other Tenno that isn't a player (forgot to mention the 3 Tenno we talked to during the new war) .
That Rap-Tap-Tap was just wrong. I wasn't expecting it and jumped a bit.
Love your Lore videos :D
The three orokin story just sounds painful to live that way forever
You got that right
how are they trapped forever,drinking kuva with new bodies would just allow them to transfer over to new bodies.Possibly even their original bodies.
Yeah i thought this too but i guess it means convincing other orikin that you are an orikin and not some horrific twisted child monster and that may not be so easy
Depends on the interaction between Red and Blue Kuva. Maybe having both active at once burns out a possible Continuity channel or something.
Man I hope one day we can see the flashback of when the Tenno destroyed the Orokin, what a sigh that’ll be
they rlly do be testing your fear
LOVE your recent lore videos !
3:09 the first time i heard this, i didn't quite get what he was saying, so all i could think of is "Ha ha, you were a bouncer in a theater"
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I have a complex theory on this I will try to make incredibly brief, but given what the Man in the Wall actually says to us, I think he basically shows up, laughs in our face, says that pretty much everything up until now was by his design or knowing, basically that arriving at that point was a predictable or orchestrated situation on his part all in an effort to get Ballas to use Lotus to open the way for him to escape the void. Given the order of the mods he says, I believe he is essentially describing everything of the Tenno's journey up to his reappearance in front of us, and the order of the words he says are actually simple descriptions of all the major quests we have done in order, ending with his arrival. He is laughing at how well everything worked, essentially, and everything that has happened to this point was an elaborate scheme to free him from his prison.
I think he plans to use Lotus moving forward for continue enacting his means, and I think the visions Lotus has gotten so far are visions of her getting corrupted by the Man in the Wall that she doesn't want to tell us, and I think that is why we saw him wearing Lotus's helmet. I think he plans to use transference to BECOME the Lotus, so to speak, and take her power for himself in the "physical" realm while also capturing the biggest weakness to the Tenno and the Sentients at the same time. How better to control the Tenno than to take the Lotus hostage? It's the singular move he could make to immediately subjugate the entire system if he for whatever reason does not have the means to do it in his current form.
"[a story] that I told my grand children, when they were small!"
No wonder they grew up so... dysfunctional...
At the same time, though, they're just dysfunctional and mad scientists, instead of being full-blown psychos, like the rest of Orokin.
Who's the Pokémon rune tablet that came spinning out the void like a fever dream JPG from 2002
I want a custom Cephelon in my ship. Those 3 same puns Ordis makes are growing old after almost a decade
Excellent breakdown, potato. These sorts of vids giving a bit of linked Warframe lore are irreplaceable content that keeps the game alive and interesting for me. Well done, and much thanks!
Thanks Tato, I love watching these lore videos.
The lotus/ AI cannot see the Man in The Wall. When he appears only the operator see's him. Thats possibly why she kind of denies or argues if the man in the wall is real
I'd say that Warframe is rather Dark, probably not as dark as Warhammer, but close to it, and only disguised by the fact that we are at the "top"
Honestly after listening to Grandmother's story the first time I totally thought the three would hunt me down randomly like the stalker
This is a fantastic vid, thank you so much for making this series!!!
I find it interesting how the Entrati family (other than maybe the Son) doesn't seem to realize that they are infestation now. All of them are just personalities in the same entity. They are now just a stain if infestation, but one that suffers multiple personalities. Creepy to think about.
Loving the lore videos man. Keep it up!!!
Always really cool to see WF channels that's mostly done weapon/frame videos actually delving into Warframe's lore as well. The lore is definitely the biggest thing that's kept me around.
it be cool to have the 3 cursed orokin show op like the stalker but you will only hear the snapping and ticking. then they show up around Halloween
Now that the Zariman is out, have you checked those hologram tablets yet? They shed some more light on the shrouded history of the Orokin society.
There were lots of normal people in that society, but they weren’t very much higher than Grineer or Sentient slaves. The Orokin saw that they had already given normal humans a great mercy simply by allowing the to eat and breathe.
Oh hey, shorts pointed this video to me. It's a shame it was effectively hidden until now on RUclips from my perspective. I love the Warframe lore.
I hope we get to defeat the Man in the Wall.
I believe a lot of other people other than me will agree with you
I don't think that's technically possible
I think it represents the multiverse
Love these videos !! ty for the Amazing job.
Am I the only one who noticed the lotus smile like why smile in a moment like that unless?? The man in the wall somewhat burrowed into her mind to take control maybe that why’s it makes us choose a certain type of lotus /Natah / margulis maybe bc it’s all gonna lead up to the end on how our choices play out , like picking natah maybe she helps you fight the last of the orokin (man in the wall) and if you pick regular lotus it will just play out the same and you’ll have the lotus on your side but tbh my biggest theory on this is what if you choose margulis and he consumes her and takes control of her (orokin body form ) and turns on you to get exactly what I believe he wants , which would be to get the missing Finger from the Zaramin and escape the prison he is in bc I feel like the man is in prison and stuck in the wall and rell trapped him there and left the finger on the zariman which was lost in the void and after the new war the zariman escapes the void and now with the solar system weak and everyone’s trying to rebuild he’s gonna make his move bc he couldn’t get control of our body but maybe if we drank the kuva back in the war within maybe it’s a way to be connected to not only the queens but him also because they are all connected because of the kuva is a link into minds and immortality so what if we drank the kuva all along to only fight an evil corrupted lotus / Margulis bc not only that but before we got to see ourselves mimicked by the man in the wall he has always had a peice of the lotus with him either always her helmet or even now her hand during the new war when he puts his hand out to you so I feel he is connected to the lotus more than anyone who was also originally a sentient which ballas turned into margulis bc he lost the women he loved so he tried to recreate her in his own image and then wanted children and then also created in his own image which he fell in love with and wanted to protect because he saw the power they bestowed and wanted them to obey him at his barking order and I feel like the man in the wall is the one who made the helmet for the lotus so he can spy and watch everything going on despite the heartbreak it would of course bring ballas to ruin and make him insane and want control over everything and with ballas being the last of his kind I feel like it was all planned out by the man in the wall for ballas to lose and break the barrier he was held in (the sun) and finally take over the lotus and find a way to get out of the prison of stone he is in and have the lotus get the last peice he needs which is his finger to be “complete “ and I feel like the lotus will use us at first hand to help the man in the wall be complete and escape the prison maybe ballas put him In because he was afraid of his power and was scared he wouldn’t have the power to have everyone kneel at his feet so he had a court rule and the orokin placed him in a stone prison and kuva locked his only key to get out his finger which means he would have to be complete in order to escape so which is why the zariman was chosen to keep it safe within the void to only have the passengers aboard get void possession and turn into what is called a zariman Angel which was planned by the orikin I believe to protect the relic but the kids got infected by the void so much to where they gained supernatural powers which scared the orikin when they couldn’t control them and decided to use the invested to fight them to only end up in ruin and extinction with only ballas left to rule and plan his return after the old war and Tenno were lost but soon finds out and tries to regain control over the lotus to bring us to him so he can get what he wants us to kneel but I feel
Like it was all a plan for the man in the wall to soon escape and get his revenge on the Tenno and the orokin family on Deimos which is related to ballas which could be the one who imprisoned him and in the end I see the sentients and the Tenno teaming up against the man in the wall and the lotus who has been his pawn this entire time to use us to break him out , and btw the blue kuva what if that turned the orokins into sentients ? I mean there bodies were twisted up scary no eyes and had different abilities once they consumed it? Idk just a thought because they were skinless and eyeless and they made a chitter chatter snap noise so hmmm what if the orokin were really fighting an evolved version of themselves because of the blue and red variations of kuva
P.s my bad that’s a lot
With the zariman released and the hold fast and what they are? How fucked up would it be to just be an embodiment of somebody's memories, having your consciousness slip between being an echo or turning into feral manifestation of the Eldrich entity that is the void, hellbent on killing the echos of your friends.
the grandmother story is epic 1st time i hear it gives chills on me
The fact that Orokins can be seen as the representation of the future humans
Awesome vid, Tater!! Very well made!
"Its just a prank bro"
The prank:
Why does the Orokin kidnapping hosts for Continuity remind me of Jordan Peele’s ‘Get Out’?
I swear when grandma said "they laughed at death" I heard Tidus's laugh, just an awful overly pronounced HA HA HA HA HA.
While the Orokin were by no means the good guys, they weren't entirely responsible for Ordis's damaged state. Oh, they certainly turned him into a Cephalon. But Ordis' current state is something he did to himself, multiple times. He kept wiping his memories because he kept remembering who he used to be. It's a wonder he even held together as well as he did.
A part of me was hoping his "death" in TNW was permanent, if only so he could be at peace. But that didn't happen, so the cube gets to suffer more.
so the silent girl was grandmother.
and she gave the crimson kuva to her whole family as well
This is the kind of lore that keeps me coming back. If only they warframe would get a series like arcane.
JFC I didn't know this game was this dark. I've missed a lot of this
Damn... this is better then I expected, I thought you was gonna talk about development of warfame loll