Here are the links of the Doom WADs/ mods I mentioned in the video: GBA Doom Total Conversion forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=35058 No Ultra-Violence: An Anti-Gore Mod forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=59415 And even a Total Conversion of GBA Doom 2! www.moddb.com/mods/gba-doom-ii-total-conversion-for-gzdoom Also, some small notes: 1) Doomguy isn't red in the GBA games, I simply used those sprites to show off the green blood better. I believe they're the second player sprites. Also, you can still see at 12:35 the player still does bleed red, it just blends in with his suit. I assume it was also impossible to tell on the lower resolution. 2) Doom 2 GBA's sprites have a transparency issue, where the black parts of the sprites are sometimes missing. You can see that well on the Keens at 17:17. I added the black colors back because it looks a lot nicer (and because I assumed I had extracted them wrong :P)
9:50 I've hear that during ww2 soldiers with red cross on their head(medics) were primary target which is opposite of what you just said but anyway nice video
It legitimately is something that doesn't bother me and if a game has an option for green blood like House Of The Dead console releases I will try it out for a while.
@@scatered1I remember that in at least the XBox version (House of the Dead 2 & 3) it was a big unlock to get the options for purple, blue, and even black blood.
@@vahlok1426 Might be more of a Japanese game convention, I know Silent Hill 1 & 2 and likely others had multiple choices for blood color, including purple and black. It's actually a neat graphical option when models and textures are coded to change their color to match blood splatter settings.
The GBA Dooms impressed when they came out, because there was not other way to have a portable Doom experience. Contrary to popular belief, Nintendo had nothing to do with the censorship of them. That was Activision themselves going "We'll sell more copies with a T rating!" Doom II GBA is fascinating in that it's not running the Doom engine. It's running a brand new engine made with the GBA in mind.
The "burning away" disappearing effect on the corpses in the No Ultra-Violence mod gave me a creative idea on maybe how they could've handled censorship in GBA Doom 1/2; perhaps over blood, there'd be tiny explosions or sparks much like said mod, and they'd burn up away upon death. I personally feel it'd look pretty cool - and almost juicy at points. We're way past the timeframe when those ports of the games were made, but I can dream eheheh
Video games only cause violence when the person already has violent tendencies - or it's Mario Kart / Mario Party, which is scientifically proven to cause violence amongst friends. My sources are: "Trust me, bro." and "I made it the EFF up!"
They also had to replace the red cross icon on the med packs in "Attack of the PETSCII Robots". There, later versions used a red letter H. I think that's the best alternative because it keeps the color scheme and H is already associated with hospitals. The green cross in Doom is kind of an eyesore and the pill icon makes me think it's a drug stash so those aren't nearly as good alternatives.
I have a theory for why they kept some of the skulls unchanged in the GBA Doom 1 port: The censors might've interpreted the pinkish skulls not as being covered with flesh but as demon skulls like from a Baron of Hell or a Pinkie. Also I love that they kept the unaltered imagine of Doom Guy from Thy flesh consumed, maybe we are meant to believe that he's covered in his own blood since he's the only one allowed to bleed strawberry jam instead of Nuka Cola Quantum.😂
The Red Cross guidelines must've accounted for why health pickups in GTA are mostly represented with hearts or green first aid kits instead. GTA Advance is a notable exception, though it didn't gain much attention to warrant any controversy regarding its use of the red cross symbol.
a ton of games dont even follow the guideline and never get flak for it anyway , but the red cross from time to time like to go attack a random game to bitch and moan about it
Some replace the red cross with the blue asterisk with the white Asclepius Rod in the middle, aka the Star of Life (for example some ports of Quake). Although apparently even that has some of its own restrictions of use in real life as it is a certification mark.
@@athomicritics The Red Cross has every right to complain about unauthorized usage of their symbol in media, which I explicitly explained in the video itself. It's not meant to be random decoration, but a symbol that should be respected, so each time you see it, you KNOW they only want to help you. Also, they're not even aggressive about it, they don't threaten with lawsuits or anything, they just ASK for it to be removed. Did you even watch the video?
@@GermanPeter the US was a late signer to that specific Geneva Treaty granting our Red Cross there Special Trademark protection and it ounly got signed in to US code because they added a Grandfather clause that exempted preexisting trademarks in the medical field. Johnson & Johnson is still alowed to use the mark in the US but has to print a disclamer "The RED CROSS Design is a registered trademark. Products bearing this trademark have no connection to the American National Red Cross."
They really should have just called it "Id Software's latest game" (but in German) instead of XXXX. 2:29 Fun fact: Quake's user manual had a Common Asked Questions section and one of the questions was "Are you guys Satan-worshipers?" and the entire response was "No". 3:35 You are in fact acting in self defense. The only reason you are there is because you were trying to see what happened to Phobos after your entire team was slaughtered. 5:32 Wow, even Doom II has "Mein Leben!" truely a beautiful work of art. Also, the Doom II version of Wolfenstein 3D being canon implies that Doom Guy is canon. 8:56 Stardew Valley also had to change the red cross in that game because ya' know, the Red Cross. 11:09 The ISO (International Organization for Standardization, why is it called the ISO? I don't know) stats that the official symbol for medkits is the green background with a white cross. 14:12 To be fair, they already have random metal rods inexplicably sticking out of the ground, they just have guys on them. 17:12 Wow, someone get him a dentist. 21:48 Huh, I did not know that. So, apparently every German is a maniac with a flamethrower. Good to know, I guess I will never go there. That also means my Doom 3 comment will probably not be very long as I have no opinions on it and I am guessing there will not be much to talk about.
The ISO (can also be called the International Standardisation Organisation ;) is called that as a compromise between Anglophone IOS and French (& other Romance languages') OIN, as well as a bunch of other languages. ISO is not an abbreviation, it's just a name, recognisable & easily pronounceable in all languages… which is definitely appropriate for an organisation all about global standards.
Personally, I like the green cross icons because they pop out much more nicely against the background and blood in the game otherwise; I think it's nice for being able to identify the pickups ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I only mind them because my favorite color is red, so I prefer the original :P but other than that, they're great! Except for the Berserk powerup honestly, because I feel the red goes better with the black, plus it turns your screen red.
@@GermanPeter Grouping the berserk powerup in with the health pickups seems kind of weird to me no matter what. Not like I notice these things while playing anyway, though :) Basically everyone prefers whatever they get used to first, that's just an inherent human bias.
9:27 Fun fact - Amogus wasn't the only franchise to get in partial trouble for it. _My Little Pony_ of all things also violated the Geneva Conventions, because a nurse pony and hospital both had the red cross symbol.
Nurse Redheart....Only took Red Cross 6 bloody seasons for them to actually notice though, her hat and cutie mark were changed in season 7 which was almost 7 YEARS after the show first came out.
The red cross thing is hilarious. My main fear of not having full control over its use would be a videogame taking it and making it a trap, but its nearly always a sign specifically to mean “GO HERE IF YOU ARE IN TROUBLE AND YOU WILL GET HELP” That has done nothing but strengthen its symbolic value. EDIT: I think my own take here is actually wrong, after hearing more detail of yours. I do think it is more complicated than that. But overall, I agree
Very interesting video, and well done; Thanks for posting. Another quirk about the censorship: In some cases it is (was) possible to do multiplayer between censored and uncensored versions of the game, with generally bad results. Here's an example: ruclips.net/video/YG_g1Z2FHmo/видео.html
@@GermanPeter The Zombieman are actual Zombiemen which is why the desync occurs since they act differently than the original SS enemies. However, while it's impossible to see this within the game itself, the BFG Edition's IWAD replaced all of the SS sprites with dummy Zombieman sprite copies. This is not a proper reskinning, though, since these Zombieman sprites were just quickly copied over to override the SS ones, lacking the correct frames and offsets so they appear obviously bugged in-game if you were to play a map that still had actual SS enemies placed in them.
@@MarphitimusBlackimus Ahh, that's exactly what I was wondering about. I read that somewhere and was confused, because the Zombiemen didn't seem to be animated poorly. I guess they wanted to avoid censors looking into the files, seeing the SS sprites still existing there, which could SOMEHOW be re-implemented into the game, so they removed any and all references to them.
Ah I can somewhat answer the question for the GBA Doom II censored wall textures. It does use more space in the ROM, but the censored textures are actually still listed in the game files as separate textures, but link to the same address in the rom. There's no performance penalty at all and both my uncensored patch and the original can play in sync including in multiplayer. As for the decorations, they seem to be removed entirely and never scripted at all from what I can see, so I'm assuming censorship instead of performance. Which reminds me, I need to work on the PrBoom GBA port again hahaha
@@GermanPeter Ah it is what it is, but you still made a really damn good video. You don't see many people check out the GBA Dooms in much depth, which I'm a sucker for haha
People always mention the fact that Among Us violated the Geneva Convention with the Red Cross, but for me, I'll always find the fact that STARDEW VALLEY of all games did the same infinitely more hilarious.
By any chance, would you be interested in going over German Fallout? We've heard a lot about the censorship, but an actual examination of the content hasn't really been done, and the voice actors are still to this day uncredited, as for some reason, only the english and russian dubs seem to credit their VAs. It would be nice if you recognized any and could provide names!
I must note that I loved Doom and Doom 2 on GBA when I got access to them in early 2000s. Back then they were more impressive as tech demos, showing that you could play Doom even on something as small as Gameboy (just remember that back then everything mobile was way underpowered compared to nowadays). At least I had a lot of fun with them, nowadays, of course they are not as good as one might think.
Great video! I think the green blood works well for certain demons and decor (first time I've seen it covered in such detail, no pun intended). According to the Wiki page for Doom 1993, the project's working title was, "Green And Pissed." I find that ironic and hilarious considering the use of green blood (which was also done on some N64 ports of other games). P.S. The Hell Knight bleeding green looks AWESOME. I like thinking that they had some artistic liberties with the custom sprites, and I appreciate the devs adding something (even so minor) to the duology. P.S. Glad I'm not the only one who was reminded of Pyroland :D. I wish more devs would do things like that ^_^.
Wait, if Red Cross is the only one that is allowed to use that particular cross then it begs the question why the hell are they are they only enforcing/going after devs to change the health things in games within the last 5-15 years or so? They've have since what, the 80's at least to put their foot down over the usage of it and have it enforced on the world stage that it can't be used for games in that manner? Even though Green has been the official colour for medical kits for how long?
When I read about the red cross thing I can't help but think its up to the armies to train there soilders and the red crosses job to make sure they do not developers/artists job to avoid using it
Its kinda like with the German version of Wolfenstein 2: New Colossus, they got rid of anything involving Nazis, even changed Hitler, its like they wanted to forget anything that they started back in the early 1900's
I've seen @ShallowVA play some Trailblazer, and it looks really good there! The medkits have this brownish-green tint to them that the dark green cross really compliments.
The funny thing for me is that in the United States a lot of Marijuana dispensaries use the green cross in their logo, so it's like Doomguy is getting high when picking up a health pack.
Remember everyone, if a sentient being has green blood, it doesn't count as homicide when you kill them! Also, watching GBA Doom is like my myopic ass moving around IRL without my glasses.
GBA Doom back then was very unique. Beeing able to play Doom an a train or in the park was awesome. May look laughable today, but beforce the Sony PSP? I had not seen anything like it.
23:34 funny you bring up Wolfenstein 2009, I live in the same area as Raven Software who made the game, and I did alpha and beta testing for them and played Wolf2009 back when it was in very early/rough stages. I still remember testing levels and there being barely any textures in the game, it looked so much different, but the final game didn't change that much. It used to be WAY harder from what I remember since we had to test without the special powers, which made the final zeppelin level super freaking hard. Once they put the special powers into the game it became so much easier.
@@GermanPeter Long little post here but: What is ironic is that after alpha and beta testing Wolf2009, I never played or bought the final game until over a decade later after it was released. The only way to get it now is to buy a physical edition off of ebay, or just get it on the seven sea's online. Though be careful going that route (as I did) because for some reason Bethesda or ID or whoever owns the rights now are actively monitoring Torrents and IP's of people who get it that way, and sending cease and desist DMCA's to their internet IP, which is incredibly stupid considering you absolutely cannot buy it digitally or physically anywhere except second hand, so I have no idea what the point of getting mad at people for getting it elsewhere for free is. It made me lose a lot of respect for them since the only other time I had that happen was from Nintendo when I downloaded Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze or something many years ago (and before that the occasional movie or something but now I use private tracker's for movies and TV shows to avoid that stuff). I purchase most of my games and own over 2,500 on Steam and PC, but the one game I can't buy somewhere legally online I get elsewhere and get 'in trouble' over it. To be fair they never actually do anything and the internet IP company never turns off your service because they want to keep getting their monthly payment, so its more of a scare tactic, but it is annoying to be sure.
it's disheartening seeing how little views you get, i've been watching you religiously since your tf2 content and i seriously think you deserve a lot more success on this platform, this channel just has so much unique content and personality i seriously love it man.
Thank you! Comments like that mean a lot to me, and the fact you watch my videos in the first place even more :) You can always help out by recommending me to other people!
23:50 actually, the GBA version of DOOM has 8 exclusive maps in it desined for deathmatching. And are the only official classic DOOM maps made exclusively for multiplayer (except for American McGee's id Map01)
Das einzige problem was ich mit dem Spiel habe ist dass alle blutspritz Effekte auf Wänden und kugeleinschlagslöcher aus dem Spiel herausgenommen wurden.
Nein, das gab es auch nicht im Original :P Du hast wohl Doom über einen Sourceport wie GZDoom oder Skulltag gespielt. Die fügen Einschusslöcher und Blutspritzer hinzu, gibt es aber nicht in der DOS-Variante. So weit waren die damals noch nicht, erst ab Duke Nukem.
Excellent video. Very informative. Please consider doing on about Turok for the Nintendo 64. With all the enemy sprites changed to look like robots, and the blood changed to sparks.
That new hip edition all the kids play where the SS are changed to Zombiemen... they could have at least just changed the sprite to some rapid firing new monster instead, otherwise a proper 100% playthrough of Doom 2 is impossible when there's Zombiemen firing one shot at a time at you in those maps, taking down the difficulty.
GBA Doom let you turn off shading so that everything was fullbright, which looked ugly but improved framerates across the board. GBA Doom 2 did not let you do this, and it was one of the few things which annoyed me about that, the visuals were already gimped and I wanted more speed for better gameplay. Still much better than the first port though.
regarding the comment "They made their decision based on assumptions"... back then there didn't exist any studies that violent videogames / Media doesn't leas to violent behavior.
Exactly, so they had nothing to go off of on. They just theorized "Well this might be bad", and left it at that. Even when they took these games off the index, the reasoning wasn't "Studies have shown video games don't cause violence", it was "I guess modern games are even worse now".
playing the GBA Doom as a kid after having played the DOS versions of Doom, II and Final Doom was a huge disappointment. The GBA itself felt hard to play the game with control wise. As with Wolf3d, only the uncensored DOS versions have the right kind of sinister feeling and aesthetic to them, there is no reason for me to play these other versions at all.
I'm really love these Doom videos you've been putting out! As much as I love the pixel gore in the og Doom I actually kinda like the bright green blood over the dark red, it makes it a lot easier to see in the dark halls full of dead demon bodies.
Thanks Peter! I first played the gba ports of doom and doom 2 but I had to play them on a emulator because I don’t own the physical cartridges yet along with Wolfenstein 3D on gba
Goddamn though, the colors on the old Meatball are scuffed as all hell in GBA Doom 2, not too easy to notice on that little crusty screen, but he really looks washed out and lacking in shading, not sure if they messed him up when editing him or there's some sort of palette limitation at play.
The GBA definitely has a smaller palette. You can see how the Revenant looks really washed out as well, and they all share the same brown tones as Doomguy's face.
Strangely, if you played the Japanese version of Doom 64, the blood effects are also green but not for the actual demons. Instead only for the blood sprite when you land a hit.
Wtf Germany just why?, I know that here in Ireland censorship really only came into effect in the early 2000s but still it's nothing like how Germany is still to this day, man I've seen 21s red labeled films like the original total recall aliens two and when it released three which both carried the 21s blue tag and a bunch of others as a minor, funnily enough the only one that gave me nightmares was the third aliens and that's probably because we got hold of the director's cut that came out in Canada and we got from the news agency's, still have the VHS copy although DVDs were starting to take over by the end of the 90s we still gathered a large collection of 80s and 90s films all on grainy VHS running at 60hz on a CRT TV in a 32 inch screen set in a odd 1020×920
Is... Is Postal even available in germany or is it still banned cause I would be VERY interested to see if and how they would censor that PG horrorshow
18:29 Could someone explain his remark regarding _Doom Eternal_ ? *EDIT:* Oh, I think, I got it. In normal, unaltered _Doom II - Hell on Earth_ the Archvile just revives recently died enemies. In the version shown here it look like the Archvile would summon new enemies out of thin air because their bodies are invisible. And in _Doom Eternal_ Archviles actually have the ability of summoning new enemies, even if there were none present beforehand. 💡
Green blood always makes me think of the Dreamcast version of House of the Dead lol :) Honestly I'm surprised the GBA versions didn't get censored more than it did
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Here are the links of the Doom WADs/ mods I mentioned in the video:
GBA Doom Total Conversion forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=35058
No Ultra-Violence: An Anti-Gore Mod forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=59415
And even a Total Conversion of GBA Doom 2! www.moddb.com/mods/gba-doom-ii-total-conversion-for-gzdoom
Also, some small notes:
1) Doomguy isn't red in the GBA games, I simply used those sprites to show off the green blood better. I believe they're the second player sprites. Also, you can still see at 12:35 the player still does bleed red, it just blends in with his suit. I assume it was also impossible to tell on the lower resolution.
2) Doom 2 GBA's sprites have a transparency issue, where the black parts of the sprites are sometimes missing. You can see that well on the Keens at 17:17. I added the black colors back because it looks a lot nicer (and because I assumed I had extracted them wrong :P)
Thamk you
9:50 I've hear that during ww2 soldiers with red cross on their head(medics) were primary target which is opposite of what you just said but anyway nice video
if u kill people game in you kiel people irl.🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓
wait this comment was uploaded 11 days ago but the vid says it was uploaded 6 days ago
I just realized the SS saying their name when they spot you is like a Pokémon and that makes me laugh cuz of how silly it is
I mean, I always thought of it in a semi similar vein to when police yell “POLICE!” when they try to stop someone
WARIOOOOO
I GOTTA WINNNNN
I knew that's what they were saying!
"ding ding Avon Lady!"
@@comradebusman3 They are basically the same thing.
As lame as it is, I kind of have a soft spot for green blood zombies. It gives everything a sort of Goosebumps vibe that I really like.
It legitimately is something that doesn't bother me and if a game has an option for green blood like House Of The Dead console releases I will try it out for a while.
@@scatered1I remember that in at least the XBox version (House of the Dead 2 & 3) it was a big unlock to get the options for purple, blue, and even black blood.
@@vahlok1426 Might be more of a Japanese game convention, I know Silent Hill 1 & 2 and likely others had multiple choices for blood color, including purple and black. It's actually a neat graphical option when models and textures are coded to change their color to match blood splatter settings.
my favorite is always when different enemies have different blood colors. Not many games do that, but it's fun when it happens.
The GBA Dooms impressed when they came out, because there was not other way to have a portable Doom experience. Contrary to popular belief, Nintendo had nothing to do with the censorship of them. That was Activision themselves going "We'll sell more copies with a T rating!" Doom II GBA is fascinating in that it's not running the Doom engine. It's running a brand new engine made with the GBA in mind.
The disclaimer at the beginning got me like:
DEPICTIONS OF VIOLENCE?! IN *DOOM* ? NO WAY DUDE!
Well, not everybody's familiar with the games.
Next you're gonna tell me there's jumping in Mario games, or weird glitches in Bethesda games!
Bro is replying to a year old comment 💀 (I know I’m doing it too)
@@swanksisaperson
I'm a sis, but yeah lol
@@ob2kenobi388am I the only one who would love a remake of the original Doom but with enhanced graphics?
The "burning away" disappearing effect on the corpses in the No Ultra-Violence mod gave me a creative idea on maybe how they could've handled censorship in GBA Doom 1/2; perhaps over blood, there'd be tiny explosions or sparks much like said mod, and they'd burn up away upon death. I personally feel it'd look pretty cool - and almost juicy at points. We're way past the timeframe when those ports of the games were made, but I can dream eheheh
Video games only cause violence when the person already has violent tendencies - or it's Mario Kart / Mario Party, which is scientifically proven to cause violence amongst friends.
My sources are: "Trust me, bro." and "I made it the EFF up!"
"It came to me in a vision"
They also had to replace the red cross icon on the med packs in "Attack of the PETSCII Robots". There, later versions used a red letter H. I think that's the best alternative because it keeps the color scheme and H is already associated with hospitals. The green cross in Doom is kind of an eyesore and the pill icon makes me think it's a drug stash so those aren't nearly as good alternatives.
This also happned in Earthbound
I have a theory for why they kept some of the skulls unchanged in the GBA Doom 1 port: The censors might've interpreted the pinkish skulls not as being covered with flesh but as demon skulls like from a Baron of Hell or a Pinkie.
Also I love that they kept the unaltered imagine of Doom Guy from Thy flesh consumed, maybe we are meant to believe that he's covered in his own blood since he's the only one allowed to bleed strawberry jam instead of Nuka Cola Quantum.😂
About the skulls, that could actually be true. Also, you can barely even tell they're skulls due to the low resolution :D
@@GermanPeter True lol
The Red Cross guidelines must've accounted for why health pickups in GTA are mostly represented with hearts or green first aid kits instead. GTA Advance is a notable exception, though it didn't gain much attention to warrant any controversy regarding its use of the red cross symbol.
a ton of games dont even follow the guideline and never get flak for it anyway , but the red cross from time to time like to go attack a random game to bitch and moan about it
Some replace the red cross with the blue asterisk with the white Asclepius Rod in the middle, aka the Star of Life (for example some ports of Quake). Although apparently even that has some of its own restrictions of use in real life as it is a certification mark.
@@athomicritics The Red Cross has every right to complain about unauthorized usage of their symbol in media, which I explicitly explained in the video itself. It's not meant to be random decoration, but a symbol that should be respected, so each time you see it, you KNOW they only want to help you.
Also, they're not even aggressive about it, they don't threaten with lawsuits or anything, they just ASK for it to be removed. Did you even watch the video?
@@GermanPeter i remember them threatning lawsuit to Prison Architect devs tought
@@GermanPeter the US was a late signer to that specific Geneva Treaty granting our Red Cross there Special Trademark protection and it ounly got signed in to US code because they added a Grandfather clause that exempted preexisting trademarks in the medical field. Johnson & Johnson is still alowed to use the mark in the US but has to print a disclamer "The RED CROSS Design is a registered trademark. Products bearing this trademark have no connection to the American National Red Cross."
They really should have just called it "Id Software's latest game" (but in German) instead of XXXX.
2:29
Fun fact: Quake's user manual had a Common Asked Questions section and one of the questions was "Are you guys Satan-worshipers?" and the entire response was "No".
3:35
You are in fact acting in self defense. The only reason you are there is because you were trying to see what happened to Phobos after your entire team was slaughtered.
5:32
Wow, even Doom II has "Mein Leben!" truely a beautiful work of art. Also, the Doom II version of Wolfenstein 3D being canon implies that Doom Guy is canon.
8:56
Stardew Valley also had to change the red cross in that game because ya' know, the Red Cross.
11:09
The ISO (International Organization for Standardization, why is it called the ISO? I don't know) stats that the official symbol for medkits is the green background with a white cross.
14:12
To be fair, they already have random metal rods inexplicably sticking out of the ground, they just have guys on them.
17:12
Wow, someone get him a dentist.
21:48
Huh, I did not know that. So, apparently every German is a maniac with a flamethrower. Good to know, I guess I will never go there.
That also means my Doom 3 comment will probably not be very long as I have no opinions on it and I am guessing there will not be much to talk about.
The ISO (can also be called the International Standardisation Organisation ;) is called that as a compromise between Anglophone IOS and French (& other Romance languages') OIN, as well as a bunch of other languages. ISO is not an abbreviation, it's just a name, recognisable & easily pronounceable in all languages… which is definitely appropriate for an organisation all about global standards.
My theory is that n. symbols are banned there just because G is secretly still run by those and they get offended
The fact that they didn't change the revenants legs to green makes the fact that they wear red shorts canon!
Personally, I like the green cross icons because they pop out much more nicely against the background and blood in the game otherwise; I think it's nice for being able to identify the pickups ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I only mind them because my favorite color is red, so I prefer the original :P but other than that, they're great! Except for the Berserk powerup honestly, because I feel the red goes better with the black, plus it turns your screen red.
@@GermanPeter Grouping the berserk powerup in with the health pickups seems kind of weird to me no matter what. Not like I notice these things while playing anyway, though :)
Basically everyone prefers whatever they get used to first, that's just an inherent human bias.
When I saw the part where they censored the gore with sparkles, I was like “is there gonna be a unicorn in hell next?!”
9:27 Fun fact - Amogus wasn't the only franchise to get in partial trouble for it. _My Little Pony_ of all things also violated the Geneva Conventions, because a nurse pony and hospital both had the red cross symbol.
My Little War Criminal...
@@GermanPeter Napalm is magic!
Nurse Redheart....Only took Red Cross 6 bloody seasons for them to actually notice though, her hat and cutie mark were changed in season 7 which was almost 7 YEARS after the show first came out.
The red cross thing is hilarious. My main fear of not having full control over its use would be a videogame taking it and making it a trap, but its nearly always a sign specifically to mean “GO HERE IF YOU ARE IN TROUBLE AND YOU WILL GET HELP”
That has done nothing but strengthen its symbolic value.
EDIT: I think my own take here is actually wrong, after hearing more detail of yours.
I do think it is more complicated than that. But overall, I agree
Very interesting video, and well done; Thanks for posting. Another quirk about the censorship: In some cases it is (was) possible to do multiplayer between censored and uncensored versions of the game, with generally bad results. Here's an example: ruclips.net/video/YG_g1Z2FHmo/видео.html
Oh that is JANKY. I've read that the Zombiemen aren't really Zombiemen, but reskinned SS. Is that true?
@@GermanPeter The Zombieman are actual Zombiemen which is why the desync occurs since they act differently than the original SS enemies. However, while it's impossible to see this within the game itself, the BFG Edition's IWAD replaced all of the SS sprites with dummy Zombieman sprite copies. This is not a proper reskinning, though, since these Zombieman sprites were just quickly copied over to override the SS ones, lacking the correct frames and offsets so they appear obviously bugged in-game if you were to play a map that still had actual SS enemies placed in them.
@@MarphitimusBlackimus Ahh, that's exactly what I was wondering about. I read that somewhere and was confused, because the Zombiemen didn't seem to be animated poorly.
I guess they wanted to avoid censors looking into the files, seeing the SS sprites still existing there, which could SOMEHOW be re-implemented into the game, so they removed any and all references to them.
holy shit 2 legends in one comment section
@@GermanPeter same happened with the decor tiles they went and pasted over them in the Iwad editor with the blank version.
Artists should never be censored, no matter how "controversial" the subject matter may be. Yes, video games are art.
Okay nerd
Heavily disagreed, artists should be censored in most cases, and games are not art
Nice bait.
@@majesticeagle5461
if someone drew a child getting r-worded, you would be against censoring that "art" ? not sure how much you actually thought about this
@@Blaurotmaybe he was trying to say that no matter how controversal most subjects in art is but not what the hell came to your mind.
Ah I can somewhat answer the question for the GBA Doom II censored wall textures.
It does use more space in the ROM, but the censored textures are actually still listed in the game files as separate textures, but link to the same address in the rom.
There's no performance penalty at all and both my uncensored patch and the original can play in sync including in multiplayer.
As for the decorations, they seem to be removed entirely and never scripted at all from what I can see, so I'm assuming censorship instead of performance.
Which reminds me, I need to work on the PrBoom GBA port again hahaha
Also on ModDB I also have a GBA Doom II TC mod for GZDoom too if you're just interested in the quirks.
Oh snap, if only I had known you had made the Doom 2 GBA TC mod, that could have been REALLY useful :D
@@GermanPeter Ah it is what it is, but you still made a really damn good video. You don't see many people check out the GBA Dooms in much depth, which I'm a sucker for haha
People always mention the fact that Among Us violated the Geneva Convention with the Red Cross, but for me, I'll always find the fact that STARDEW VALLEY of all games did the same infinitely more hilarious.
By any chance, would you be interested in going over German Fallout? We've heard a lot about the censorship, but an actual examination of the content hasn't really been done, and the voice actors are still to this day uncredited, as for some reason, only the english and russian dubs seem to credit their VAs. It would be nice if you recognized any and could provide names!
It's on the list :)
@@GermanPetercan’t wait
I must note that I loved Doom and Doom 2 on GBA when I got access to them in early 2000s. Back then they were more impressive as tech demos, showing that you could play Doom even on something as small as Gameboy (just remember that back then everything mobile was way underpowered compared to nowadays). At least I had a lot of fun with them, nowadays, of course they are not as good as one might think.
Great video! I think the green blood works well for certain demons and decor (first time I've seen it covered in such detail, no pun intended). According to the Wiki page for Doom 1993, the project's working title was, "Green And Pissed." I find that ironic and hilarious considering the use of green blood (which was also done on some N64 ports of other games).
P.S. The Hell Knight bleeding green looks AWESOME. I like thinking that they had some artistic liberties with the custom sprites, and I appreciate the devs adding something (even so minor) to the duology.
P.S. Glad I'm not the only one who was reminded of Pyroland :D. I wish more devs would do things like that ^_^.
Thank you for doing a video of this master piece
Gutes video
informativ
Guter ebayer
gerne wieder
Joa da waren viele Bilder, und er hat dings, sehr frei gesprochen. Würde ich eine 2- geben.
Wait, if Red Cross is the only one that is allowed to use that particular cross then it begs the question why the hell are they are they only enforcing/going after devs to change the health things in games within the last 5-15 years or so? They've have since what, the 80's at least to put their foot down over the usage of it and have it enforced on the world stage that it can't be used for games in that manner? Even though Green has been the official colour for medical kits for how long?
Because there have been amendments to the Geneva convention
First of all - i like your style !
Second - very good video, i can't wait to see more of your videos
Third - KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK !
AIN'T NO WAY YOU ACTUALLY DID IT
2:34 the eric harrison was already sadistic before the… “incident.”
i really like the graphic design for your channel brand
Thanks!
When I read about the red cross thing I can't help but think its up to the armies to train there soilders and the red crosses job to make sure they do not developers/artists job to avoid using it
Its kinda like with the German version of Wolfenstein 2: New Colossus, they got rid of anything involving Nazis, even changed Hitler, its like they wanted to forget anything that they started back in the early 1900's
Imo the green Cross works well when its a darker green (like some doom mods like older builts of project brutality do) or even preattier than red
I've seen @ShallowVA play some Trailblazer, and it looks really good there! The medkits have this brownish-green tint to them that the dark green cross really compliments.
The funny thing for me is that in the United States a lot of Marijuana dispensaries use the green cross in their logo, so it's like Doomguy is getting high when picking up a health pack.
@@Ganondorfdude11 thats cute
I like how theres actual gameplay, instead of just IDKFA typed in and half assly playing just the first 2 levels
Remember everyone, if a sentient being has green blood, it doesn't count as homicide when you kill them!
Also, watching GBA Doom is like my myopic ass moving around IRL without my glasses.
The game being on the index did not stop one in acquiring an illegal copy of it. And because of that it was twice the fun
GBA Doom back then was very unique. Beeing able to play Doom an a train or in the park was awesome.
May look laughable today, but beforce the Sony PSP? I had not seen anything like it.
The video would be an hour long if homie switched to decaf and I'd be ok with it
lol nah, deal with it
The Quirks of German Quake when?
Not much to talk about, Quake was indexed here and didn't get a censored port :P
I like your content and You got yourself a new sub! Keep up on what you love! Never give up! Who cares about the hate you get, do what you love!!
23:34 funny you bring up Wolfenstein 2009, I live in the same area as Raven Software who made the game, and I did alpha and beta testing for them and played Wolf2009 back when it was in very early/rough stages. I still remember testing levels and there being barely any textures in the game, it looked so much different, but the final game didn't change that much. It used to be WAY harder from what I remember since we had to test without the special powers, which made the final zeppelin level super freaking hard. Once they put the special powers into the game it became so much easier.
Ohh... I'd LOVE to get my hands on Wolfenstein 2009, it really is my favorite in the series.
@@GermanPeter
Long little post here but:
What is ironic is that after alpha and beta testing Wolf2009, I never played or bought the final game until over a decade later after it was released.
The only way to get it now is to buy a physical edition off of ebay, or just get it on the seven sea's online. Though be careful going that route (as I did) because for some reason Bethesda or ID or whoever owns the rights now are actively monitoring Torrents and IP's of people who get it that way, and sending cease and desist DMCA's to their internet IP, which is incredibly stupid considering you absolutely cannot buy it digitally or physically anywhere except second hand, so I have no idea what the point of getting mad at people for getting it elsewhere for free is.
It made me lose a lot of respect for them since the only other time I had that happen was from Nintendo when I downloaded Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze or something many years ago (and before that the occasional movie or something but now I use private tracker's for movies and TV shows to avoid that stuff).
I purchase most of my games and own over 2,500 on Steam and PC, but the one game I can't buy somewhere legally online I get elsewhere and get 'in trouble' over it. To be fair they never actually do anything and the internet IP company never turns off your service because they want to keep getting their monthly payment, so its more of a scare tactic, but it is annoying to be sure.
I like how you used the word 'livingspace' here :)
it's disheartening seeing how little views you get, i've been watching you religiously since your tf2 content and i seriously think you deserve a lot more success on this platform, this channel just has so much unique content and personality i seriously love it man.
Thank you! Comments like that mean a lot to me, and the fact you watch my videos in the first place even more :) You can always help out by recommending me to other people!
I wouldnt complain about 40k views. Some people put in just as much work as him and get 50
ngl what shocked me most was 2:36 where he used a bfg shot on a single cacodemon
You see, I like using guns that go boom
Good video to kick off October first, it’s relevant to Halloween AND Oktoberfest !!
iVE BEEN WAITING THIOS... FOR SO LONG...
Technically all depictions of blood shown on a screen is pixelated
Peter did you get the oh yes line for when you get to do your sponsors from when you pick up the bfg in doom?
No, but that'd be a cute reference :D
Therapist: Pleading Face Doomguy doesn't exist, he can't hurt you
Pleading Face Doomguy: 20:50
Doom 3 also had summoning Archeviles. Corpses don’t linger in that game either (entirely for performance reasons)
This guy is one auto-tune away from a Bhutanese passport.
"Video games don't cause violence"
Meanwhile speedrunners throwing their controllers against the wall because they lost their run to "RNG Dude".
What is this "Wolfenstein" game? It looks very similar to a 90s game I used to play called "Nothing Happened, Everyone Was On Vacation 3D".
i always thought the revenant was just wearing shorts 💀
23:50 actually, the GBA version of DOOM has 8 exclusive maps in it desined for deathmatching. And are the only official classic DOOM maps made exclusively for multiplayer (except for American McGee's id Map01)
Yeah, but who will realistically ever be able to play them? :D
The versions of Doom 1 and 2 in the Doom 3 BFG Edition are super obviously censored and it's very obvious that was done to sell it in Germany.
Even know Pikmin 4 came out... There was no soupcan pyro 😢
Plus in the gba port of doom 1 you carry you weapons over to the next episode
3:54 aren't you showing footage with Former Humans (they aren't insane they're just possessed but that's presumably what the manual is referring too)
I'm glad nothing bad happened in human history before video games.....
I woulda replaced the impaled and chained up corpses with skeletons, personally. Doesn't need any gore, while still getting across the point.
Das einzige problem was ich mit dem Spiel habe ist dass alle blutspritz Effekte auf Wänden und kugeleinschlagslöcher aus dem Spiel herausgenommen wurden.
Nein, das gab es auch nicht im Original :P Du hast wohl Doom über einen Sourceport wie GZDoom oder Skulltag gespielt. Die fügen Einschusslöcher und Blutspritzer hinzu, gibt es aber nicht in der DOS-Variante. So weit waren die damals noch nicht, erst ab Duke Nukem.
Excellent video. Very informative.
Please consider doing on about Turok for the Nintendo 64. With all the enemy sprites changed to look like robots, and the blood changed to sparks.
Will write it on the list, thanks!
10:51 I mean not really, the obvious solution is to replace the cross with the letter "H", like Halo did.
True in Wolfenstein I thought they said “Wubabu” and not Schutzstaffel.
That new hip edition all the kids play where the SS are changed to Zombiemen... they could have at least just changed the sprite to some rapid firing new monster instead, otherwise a proper 100% playthrough of Doom 2 is impossible when there's Zombiemen firing one shot at a time at you in those maps, taking down the difficulty.
Because everybody knows that as long as blood is not red, it is non violent and child friendly!
Hooray!
12:35 maybe it's vommit
But it's too green to look like that
> Extremely low framerate
BAN THIS SICK FILTH
I'M SORRY JUST WATCH IT ON 2X SPEED
@@GermanPeter That's just "Peter after too much coffee" mode, though...
GBA Doom let you turn off shading so that everything was fullbright, which looked ugly but improved framerates across the board.
GBA Doom 2 did not let you do this, and it was one of the few things which annoyed me about that, the visuals were already gimped and I wanted more speed for better gameplay. Still much better than the first port though.
I didnt know until I saw it, but I think I prefer the demons flying away when berserked instead of gibbing.
Good video!
That's a beautiful thumbnail.
The footage you used for Unity Doom looks a lot better than the normal, how’d you get it to look so good?
I recorded it on my PC! It's the version you get when you buy Doom 2 on Steam, and I recorded it in 1440p, like all my footage.
@@GermanPeter Weird, it didn’t seem to look that good for me, like the resolution always seemed to be the same as the original version
It automatically adjusted to my monitor's resolution, so I have no idea why it doesn't work for you. You should be able to change it in the settings.
@@GermanPeter Odd, I probably just have to manually adjust it then
I'm confused, when would the player death sprite be seen in GBA doom? Is there multiplayer functionality?
Yes. With the link cables, you could link at least two GBAs together.
ruclips.net/video/n5lvOXrLmIU/видео.html
Hope you talk about Rise of the Triad's built-in censorship mode sometime
Oh, what's that? Can I get some info on that?
@@GermanPeter You can turn off the bloody deaths in the options. For example, General Darian doesn't blow his head off when he drops his bazooka.
Oh, I saw the sprites for that, I didn't know it was an option.
regarding the comment "They made their decision based on assumptions"... back then there didn't exist any studies that violent videogames / Media doesn't leas to violent behavior.
Exactly, so they had nothing to go off of on. They just theorized "Well this might be bad", and left it at that. Even when they took these games off the index, the reasoning wasn't "Studies have shown video games don't cause violence", it was "I guess modern games are even worse now".
Woah, wtf? why does the gba version of doom 2 have different archvile fire sprites?
playing the GBA Doom as a kid after having played the DOS versions of Doom, II and Final Doom was a huge disappointment. The GBA itself felt hard to play the game with control wise. As with Wolf3d, only the uncensored DOS versions have the right kind of sinister feeling and aesthetic to them, there is no reason for me to play these other versions at all.
I'm really love these Doom videos you've been putting out! As much as I love the pixel gore in the og Doom I actually kinda like the bright green blood over the dark red, it makes it a lot easier to see in the dark halls full of dead demon bodies.
Europe's only port was the GBA one? What is it with Europe and their GBA? I remember an exclusive Alien Hominid port for the GBA was there too!
The censored Doomguy pictures in Doom 2 look like he just gets sad or ashamed by your lack of skill at playing the game...
this guy makes me feel glad to be part-german
(now if only I could master the accent)
That no blood Doom mod looks awesome. Reminds me of the no gore setting on Turrok - tastefully done
Thanks Peter! I first played the gba ports of doom and doom 2 but I had to play them on a emulator because I don’t own the physical cartridges yet along with Wolfenstein 3D on gba
Goddamn though, the colors on the old Meatball are scuffed as all hell in GBA Doom 2, not too easy to notice on that little crusty screen, but he really looks washed out and lacking in shading, not sure if they messed him up when editing him or there's some sort of palette limitation at play.
The GBA definitely has a smaller palette. You can see how the Revenant looks really washed out as well, and they all share the same brown tones as Doomguy's face.
@@GermanPeter Well, the lit screen washes out the picture as is, so again, it's almost hard to get a good idea of stuff like that a lot of the time.
You can also adjust the gamma, so at low settings, it looks pretty much on par with the DOS version.
Strangely, if you played the Japanese version of Doom 64, the blood effects are also green but not for the actual demons. Instead only for the blood sprite when you land a hit.
ruclips.net/user/shortsWnz80C5Znks
;)
An unstuffed baron looks weird
Wtf Germany just why?, I know that here in Ireland censorship really only came into effect in the early 2000s but still it's nothing like how Germany is still to this day, man I've seen 21s red labeled films like the original total recall aliens two and when it released three which both carried the 21s blue tag and a bunch of others as a minor, funnily enough the only one that gave me nightmares was the third aliens and that's probably because we got hold of the director's cut that came out in Canada and we got from the news agency's, still have the VHS copy although DVDs were starting to take over by the end of the 90s we still gathered a large collection of 80s and 90s films all on grainy VHS running at 60hz on a CRT TV in a 32 inch screen set in a odd 1020×920
21:01 does this affect arch vile ressurrecting?
Download it for yourself and find out!
i'm scared@@GermanPeter
Is... Is Postal even available in germany or is it still banned cause I would be VERY interested to see if and how they would censor that PG horrorshow
Banned
18:29
Could someone explain his remark regarding _Doom Eternal_ ?
*EDIT:*
Oh, I think, I got it. In normal, unaltered _Doom II - Hell on Earth_ the Archvile just revives recently died enemies. In the version shown here it look like the Archvile would summon new enemies out of thin air because their bodies are invisible. And in _Doom Eternal_ Archviles actually have the ability of summoning new enemies, even if there were none present beforehand. 💡
After having played Doom 3, I can also mention that the Arch-Viles there summon enemies as well. So Eternal didn't come up with it either!
Green blood always makes me think of the Dreamcast version of House of the Dead lol :) Honestly I'm surprised the GBA versions didn't get censored more than it did
U guys could not have had an easy time with carmageddon
3:24 wait till they discover the pacifist runs of DOOM
YAY!!!!! GERMAN PETER!!
Just 2 days until Doom 1s 30th anniversary
The guards say "Schutzstaffel"? I always thought it was "whosdubble" and wondered half my youth what the meaning of this word was... ^^
I keep pronouncing it as "Hubabble", pronounced "Hoobubble".
Huh, i wonder if tf2 medic having the red cross would be a problem
3:25 somebody get the pacifist runners to tell them💀