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Marvelous. . I never ever seen Roger so truly genuine, edgy an sharp as usual but also relaxed and easy to express his great humanity. Emphatic, feely and tasteful talk with him , John, hats off
This fantastic… Raw.. Authentic… So little time left to capture the history of these special moments. Music industry has changed so much. No more mega bands and stars. We will never have another Pink Floyd (or Beatles, Led Zeppelin,etc.).
I love Roger's voice. And it was such a beautiful combination, Waters, Wright and Gilmour. Three beautiful voices, very different from each other and very distinct. They made for such a rich, sonic experience.
What a fantastic personal glimpse into the genius of Mr Waters. So open and so unaffected and uncaring of putting on airs of youthful insecurities and just letting the viewers see a part of the reality of a true artist and prophet. It is not the cleaned up perfected final product that makes the greatness...it is what you see right here!
Thanks John!! Welcome to the machine I played once in Amsterdam in 1997 with a fender bassman 135 on a small generator as a comment to where society was going to, the police came and said I had to stop because a big party in another street were hearing my noice, if I didn't go away the police said they would take my equipment.. so far for commenting on society for me :) Still the lines "what did you dream, it's alright we told you what to dream" and "where have you been, it's alright we know where you've been" were very profetic!
In this 2011 interview, Roger acknowledges David’s music as the crucial factor that inspired him to write the words of WYWH. He also refers to Rick and David’s responsibility for the sound of “Shine On”. I think what Polly was irked by is that now Roger seems to be claiming that he alone really was the creator of all PF’s work.
He can't even tune his guitar properly. He sings with tracks he pre-recorded 40 years ago. I can see why she said it. He was very definitely the weakest link in Floyd.
@@JOHNEDGINTONDOCUMENTARIES I I admire and respect your work a lot John, I’m quiet astonished that you could even remotely defend what Polly Samson said about Roger recently accusing him of nonsense while trying to assassinate Roger as a human being not only a musician. I’m also quiet astonished by those who claim to be fans of Pink Floyd who dare utter the words “Roger was the weakest link in Pink Floyd”. If anything, the masterpieces of Pink Floyd of the 70s would have never existed without Roger. Both Dave and Rick couldn’t write which was well documented. While they were great musicians, they had no ideas and if it wasn’t for Roger, Pink Floyd would have died after Darkside. You are entitled to your view about Roger, however defending Polly, particularly after her recent attack that was sadly backed by David against his own band mate who made his name, is quiet sad, given that I always trusted your views John.
@@MostafaTamer89 PF was the sum of four/five if we include Syd, weak links that together became titanium. None of them has been remotely as good on their own.
@2:16 I'm confused - there's an excerpt of a Roger Waters interview from around the time of the WYWH sessions in the Barry Miles Pink Floyd Visual Documentary where Roger states that the lyrics came first for Wish You Were Here (and that it's "unusual" for that to occur). Here he seems to be claiming that that wasn't the case
You might want to watch the other Edginton interview with Roger where he starts off with a big long speech about 'memory' and the fact he's got a shitty one. That was a LONG time ago. But even Shine On I think they only had that beginning. But he says here that he writes WITH his guitar, but just because your strumming doesn't mean you are 'songwriting'. Money would be the exception where he gets the credit for the 7/8 riff as well as the lyrics.
I keep having this thought that the Wish You Were Here album, although not intended as such, is parallel to the sense of rage, loss, and bleakness felt by so many at the end of the Vietnam War. The reason I say this is because so many people knew someone lost in Vietnam and there were certainly brothers in arms who came back with survivor's guilt after leaving a fallen comrade behind. There is a real rage on the album in tracks like Welcome to the Machine and Have a Cigar mirroring that of those who lost loved ones to a war few understood. As for Roger's feelings about Roy's 'Cigar' performance, I still think it's the definitive version for the simple fact that this is an album about absence...Roy embodies the role of the asshole record exec who doesn't know bands, just record sales...Pink Floyd are vocally absent on the song. It's conceptually perfect. I hear it less as a parody, as Roger puts it, and more as the work of a man playing a very specific character quite well.
I think thats Roger just being a prick. But I agree with you, 'absence' works on lots of levels, and them being absent from lyrics is conceptually perfect. Or as Roger says of the Great Gig, "a happy accident". Pink Floyd had SO many of those its almost like they were preordained.
Yes indeed. My documentary "The Pink Floyd & Syd Barrett Story " would never have happened without the support of Rosemary, Syd's sister. All my 2001 interviews were filmed for that documentary.
@@JOHNEDGINTONDOCUMENTARIES thanks John. I assume you probably didn’t try to contact Syd himself due to his condition, is that correct? Or perhaps the family asked you not to contact him?
@@SRangerMtl Yes I know, but apparently John did some interviews in 2001, based on his above comment, as well as at least one note for one of his other videos, the interview with Jerry Shirley, I believe
Thanks for posting John. Love these extended interviews. Question: did you do the band interviews for the 2023 release of the 2018 remix of Animals? Looks like your style albeit all too brief.
I'm sure Roger feels like if he'd 'persevered with it' he probably could have sung 'The Great Gig in the Sky' better than Clare Torry too! I love you Roger but Roy sang 'Have A Cigar' Perfectly! Just be grateful the guy was so busy skiving off doing his own stuff that he was happy to jump in on some of yours.
Great interview with Roger, looking forward to watching it in its entirety. Have you done some interview with Eric Clapton? It would be great to see something with him uncut. Thanks
yeah.. id like to hear from one of the guys about Snowy White playing lead guitar on "Pigs On The Wing" which was only ever released on the 8 track version of the album. A true Floyd oddity!!
I sided with Gilmore just like I sided with David Lee Roth I know that’s a big difference but I was right with Roth but I was wrong with Gilmore. Both are just not the same. The chemistry of a band is a collective and it’s sad that personal egos get in the way, because its who takes the credit and it really is a collective they all get the credit. Gilmour has so much talent.
I completely agree, and I prefer the Floyd work that was most collaborative and collective, 1967-72. I too had simply assumed, at first, that David was in the right in his rift with Roger, but a deeper dive revealed to me a strangely spiteful, potshot-taking side of David I didn't know existed. It's as if the superstardom he gained from Roger's writing formats (which after DSOTM featured more dramatic soloing from him) swelled his head and pulled him out of the role of the "quiet one," which suited him much better. I also preferred his earlier textural, atmospheric style to the post-DSOTM one. (I don't like any of his solo albums, and it was classless of him to revive the Floyd without Roger, but in any case their efforts are for the most part unlistenable.) His recent endorsement of his wife's slanderous tweet of Roger as "anti-Semitic" and "misogynist" was disgraceful. The guy looks tormented in his old age. It's as if he knows, deep down, that he's wrong.
@@chicklets4ever51 Its silly taking 'sides'. But the simple fact is that Roger left Pink Floyd, David didn't kick him out. David said he was fully ready to still work with Roger despite their differences. You notice that Roger talks about 'the difficulties' which were basically when David grew a backbone and started arguing. THAT made a lot of great music as well. But David didn't kick him out. In his song on The Division Bell he says he reached out to Roger adn was told to 'f off'. I heard somewhere that David partly wanted to rebuild that fence because Amused to Death really had lyrics as good as anything Roger wrote, but I think David is right, that like 'the wall', it lacks 'soul'. Meaning that I think Pink Floyd WOULD have made it better, and likely MORE people would have heard of Radio KAOS and Amused to Death. But both were flops, but thats on Roger, I still think both are brilliant, and I liked Momentary Lapse almost as much, not so much Division Bell. As for Ukraine, we don't know what that was about. Word has it Polly is jewish and certainly there are plenty of jews who think Israel can do no wrong. She basically wrote some fairly pedantic insults of Roger, of which most are certainly things he's heard before. Some certainly were over the top, but its social media that mostly makes more of this stuff than is really necessary. Either way, Roger left and sued and takes responsiblity so thats that. Not a big surprise David doesn't want to work with him and basically they likely had no way of knowing a 'tweet' would amount so much. So there aren't really sides to take, particulary about Ukraine, the fact is BOTH have a point as far as it goes.
@@mikearchibald744 To keep it brief: The lyrics about Roger "telling David to f* off" weren't even David's. They were Polly's. It's a stupid, one-sided, reductive representation of the dispute. David, by my books, is a disgrace. Good guitarist, yes, but weak in character and vain. And he never grew a backbone. He merely grew resentful then grew a bitchy wife. He became a malcontent in a group and against a person to whom he owed so much. As for the Ukraine, there's no "two sides" to the issue. There's only the destructive nihilistic foreign policy of the United States (their poodle-like, decadent European "allies" are almost unworthy of mention), whose actions of the past 20 years have left much of the Middle East in smoking ruins and are now doing the same in Ukraine, arming an illegitimate far-right government that THEY installed in a coup d'etat in 2014, precisely to provoke Russia, and provoke Russia they did. ALL of the land Russia has thus far taken is historically Russian. Learn your history. Roger Waters understands this well, and in political matters he sticks to his guns. To my great admiration. The "dispute" with David was also, if you recall, provoked by DAvid's dislike of Roger's politics, way back in the late 70s-early 80s. Well, lo these many years later, it turns out Roger was right in those politics, practically prophetic. Rich boy Gilmour (who was born to a wealthy family) doesn't like Roger's revolutionary posturing. Too bad for him. The truth hurts sometimes.
@@chicklets4ever51 No he doesn't, you make Waters out to be some creative genius but all he ever did was rip off Syds ideas without credit whilst Dave had the good conscience to ensure Syd got all he could. Remember Waters madly declaring Syd "crazily" wanting to bring in a female singer and a sax player which Waters used as an excuse to say was "the last straw" then fire Syd then what popped up on Darkside to give it its edge?a female singer and a sax player plus Syds Clockwork Room at end of Bike was rerecorded for start of Time with zero posthumous credit for Syd either and Waters even copied Syds "scribbled black" line in it from a Syd song on Piper. Waters dined out on Syds life for decades and didn't even give a tip.
@@wotdoesthisbuttondo Learn to write, man. Your verbiage is a disaster. They ALL agreed to ease Syd out of the band, they ALL agreed to let Syd have full royalties, and they ALL agreed to re-release their first two albums in 1974 under the title of "A Nice Pair" right on the heels of their Dark Side success, SO THAT Syd's shares would increase. Roger was very much part of these decisions, and he was also involved in the efforts to help Syd on his solo work, particularly Madcap. And Roger's recuperation of some of Syd's ideas are an homage. You simply don't know what you're talking about and yet you see fit to pollute the web with your barely comprehensible rants. One should have to pass an intelligence test before commenting on the internet.
I remember an old interview with Rog where he said he doesn't even enjoy playing the instruments on his songs but rather being the idea man and conductor to the other musicians. I wish you would have had a chance to ask him if he even played anything on the records. This clip really shows that. His guitar playing skills for a 73 year old pro musician are suprising. He can barely play his own damn songs. I know he's cold and a couple Beck's in, but. I guess he broke the guitar out to one up Gilmour, but it really just shows how much he needed him.
To be fair, what David came up with for Shine on was a few notes. Smoke on the water isn't many more notes. Roger is the bass player and as you say, its "MOST' likely he brought out his guitar because he mentions that people were saying he wrote lyrics to other peoples music. But you can go listen to his demo for Time and its pretty horrible sounding, just strumming. So no, the instrumentals are something he conducts. Nothing wrong with that. Frankly good guitarists are a dime a dozen. Good songwriters are VERY rare as we now hear daily. But he didn't need HIM, as we know from Radio KAOS and Amused to Death, he needed producers and other musicians. And many of Davids tracks show he certainly needed help with songwriting. Not sure where the idea came about musical proficiency, EVERYBODY it seems has to be a genius on their instrument or else people sit back and point out "Ah, you aint so great". I'm not sure WHY that is, but its not helping music any to put down almost anybody who plays anything online. But I'm in a facebook kitchen party, which is just normal people singing songs and its pretty cool, despite there being few virtuosos.
Being a songwriter has nothing to do with playing an instrument well and playing an instrument well has nothing to do with being a songwriter. You're lucky if you can do both, but it's clear to me that unless you're making instrumental music, the song is the most important thing since good musicians need songs to express themselves.
This interview really spotlights the one thing that people don’t mention when it comes to these heated debates about Roger vs David’s contributions to PF -David was a MUCH better singer. Yes Roger wrote all the lyrics (and they’re brilliant) but thank god he only sung about 20% of them. David would still be a huge part of the “Floyd sound” even if he was born without arms.
As Iconic as They come > love Waters ❣️ Too few willing to use Their amplified voice in support of Human Rights...far too few showing support for Assange, etc > Waters in this regard is most impressive & fair to say Heroic
Yes, absolutely. Waters is one of the few true 60s icons remaining, as the others all sell out. In that respect he's a worthy heir to John Lennon (though John's singing voice is a thousand times better!). Hasta la victoria. Siempre.
2011 was when David Gilmour actually appeared with Roger for one of his Wall shows in the UK - at that time it looked like a real thaw in relations had occurred - but obviously it was not to last - hopefully they can both just let it rest now as all the squabbling only sullies the legacy of the band ..
Nick mason, Roger Waters, David Gilmour, Richard Wright. Always love your music collaboration, their is only 1 pink Floyd and nothing has ever come close!.
There is a version with both Waters and Gilmour singing it on some compilation of Pink Floyd. Doesn't sound better, but you're used to the original for almost 50 years now, so it's hard to compare.
@@krnkrp that typical for most artist live... I guess that is what I find interesting is how much the vocal on the recording sounds like them both. I never would have guessed it was someone else singing.
used be in a band with a guitarist like this. Asked him a straight question and he just carried on playing the guitar. Dont talk to guitarists if they have a guitar in their hand.
I don't think ANYBODY has ever said Dave did all the music while Roger just wrote lyrics. As we know from listening to Prog, or something like The Band, there is a BIG difference between a 'melody' which just goes with words, and a final song. We've seen it mentioned that The Wall Roger presented was a big long one piece 'song'. That reminds me of the YES interviews where Bill Bruford says Jon Anderson would present a song, which would be pretty godawful, and then just tell them to go write it. Thats the great thing about these prog bands, if Roger had wanted to, he could have followed Roy's footsteps and just been a folk singer with a guitar and then you can have all the guts and all the glory. But from Dave's view the Wall was pretty godawful. Granted, thats that british and canadian thing when people seem to 'put on airs' that we feel the need to chop them down, but being a lyricist is an important job, but in LOTS of ways anybody who has written anything knows that often it 'just comes', or else it doesn't. And Roger has some great lyrics, as well as plenty of stinkers, so lets not pretend its Shakespeare. In fact on SOME of his alllusions he's clearly learned from Syd about making somewhat abstract allusions that not many poepel would think of.
Hi Mike. As I said in my response to the previous commenter. Here in 2011 Roger is very clear about David and Rick’s key contributions. In contrast to his rather boorish assertion recently that he was singularly responsible for PF’s creative output in the 70s.
@@JOHNEDGINTONDOCUMENTARIES True, in a way. But its kind of a backhanded compliment as its "well that five notes was simple, like all great music" but then goes on to say "I then went and wrote the song like all the songs I write, on my own". So thats sort of like giving credit to Ritchie Blackmore for the first notes of Smoke on the Water, but nothing for the rest of it. And maybe its completely true, I dont' know, Rick Beato talks about it as the greatest 'country music song' and that perhaps it would be perfect with just an acoustic guitar. But even Rogers compliments always seem to come with a caveat. Actually I thought this was LESS complimentary than his current boorish comments, he does seem to acknowledge them, in an interview just recently he railed out at some interviewer for making it seem like he didn't think Comfortably Numb was the greatest guitar solo, and goes on about it like it is (I'm still not sure, but I don't even know how you measure such things). Its LIKELY not boorishness at all, but jsut a lack of having some basic understandings of social communication which Roger may lack. I don't hold it against him....much, because I never quite know what kind of talk is expected in certain situations either. But again, as Neil Peart said, "nobody escapes their childhood". Having heard him talk about his mother, and seeing the Wall, I think thats where much of this stems from. Interestingly enough I always thought David seemed like the mother and Nick and Rick to the two kids and that was Rogers family....and he blew that family as well. Even David says getting back together would be like "sleeping with the ex".
Roger was much more than just the lyricist. He was the creative director. Look at the footage of them rehearsing for their Albert Hall gig way back in '68. Even then, Roger is pretty much the driving force and helmsman. (And even in the Syd days, Roger was a very strong presence in the band.) David is by nature a passive man and for a very long time was perfectly willing to allow Roger the principle directorial role, until his head began to swell. Practically all of his efforts without Roger are flaccid, without spark or tension. The gaga fans may still come, but the critics are not convinced (Roger's solo efforts, on the other hand, had some critical success.) David needed Roger more than Roger needed David.
PS. Dave's view that "the Wall was pretty godawful" can be heard quite clearly in his rather perfunctory guitar work on the album (with the exception of "Comfortably Numb," of course). Not really something to be proud of.
sometimes the guitar as well as the band are playing in/a different tune. they probably just handed him whatever guitar they could find and started the interview. i doubt rw brought it himself. he's earned a free pass. this is an amazing interview regardless. you can see he's not feeling some type of way and is in a very relaxed mood. grumpy roger didn't show up. one can see that the beginning of the end of the "pink floyd" as most know it, started right after dsotm. i guess after all they had been through and after having poured so much of their souls into making such a great album, what were once leaks turned into cracks and then into full blown raging torrents of disagreement within and outside the band, rw makes it clear he had certain ideas that were overruled by the other three and/or the producer/record company. i think he's still pissed about it. it's strange to think how one moment can change the course of future events and today still be witnessing it's effect. syd barrett's "lost weekend" in which he never really returned from, set in motion so much. it's almost like he's the sacrifice, much like robert johnson's soul, that allowed the members of pink floyd to become the rock stars he never wanted to be. it's all very strange how everything turned out. i see the flies.
Hey John, I have a request.. do you think you could ask Rog or Dave about Snowy White playing lead guitar on "Pigs On The Wing" which was only ever released on the 8 track version of the album? Not only I, but Im certain a great many of us would love to hear about that. A true Floyd oddity!!
Interesting oddity indeed. I cannot really ask that kind of question outside of an interview. It’s possible they’ve talked about it somewhere. Try a deep Google dive.
I remember that!! It's an interesting recording but I prefer what were used to I suppose (I wonder if they included it as an extra on the deluxe packages?)
huge huge fan of his and the other 4 Floyd members body of work.. buuuut the more I here Roger talk (and I have heard a lot) the less and less I like the guy. Maybe for me it's better to just stick to listening to the records and not find out every little tid bit.
It’s wrong for Roger to say that he did it all…. It just is & nobody believes him anyway. Not sure why he’s still at it, he & his surrogate band sound nothing like Pink Floyd & he’s offered nothing close in music since the wall .
@@chrissimpson6017 the simple fact that all the music for comfortably numb came from David I think trumps your “idea” about anything Roger is laying claim too, the other albums are the same deal, Roger is completely UNABLE to create anything musically close to what David can do, all Roger can do is pathetically “reimagine” (what a joke) Dark Side of The Moon because the guy has nothing decent of his own to do so he’s gonna basically try to “steal” back not just a Pink Floyd album but the greatest album of all time & he’s only doing it so he gets 100% of the credit. Once again Roger Waters has not had anything good to offer since the wall 🤦♂️
Ganz ehrlich, ich fand den Typen schon immer scheisse. Völlig überbewertet und nur retro, nichts neues. Das schlimmste ist dass er noch nicht mal ne Gitarre stimmen kann. 😂
Thanks so much for sharing this. Both the best and worst of Roger, the creative drive and the egomaniacal delusional part that thinks he could have sang Have A Cigar better than Harper
I don't think Roger is saying he could have sung it "better" on a technical level. Roger wouldn't dare suggest he's a better technical singer than Roy or David Gilmour. He's not that delusional! But Roger's voice has a unique quality that Roy's nor anyone else's simply doesn't have, because there's only one Roger Waters. For example, Waters' voice is perfect for songs like Comfortably Numb, Hey You, Nobody Home, Shine On, One of My Turns, etc. I can't imagine Roy Harper or Gilmour singing the bits in those songs Roger sings. So, I think what Roger is saying here is that he would have interpreted the lyrics better than Harper in the sense that he would have had the appropriate level of spite and anger, which of course he is famous for. Harper's interpretation is more satirical and parodical, which isn't how Roger sees the song as being. By the way, this is all coming from someone who thinks the lyrics are quite parodical and Roy was perfect for the song. I love the humourous edge to the song and think it's a great counter balance to Welcome to the Machine, which is indeed full of anger and spite. Far too long a comment. Sorry.
@@nectarinedreams7208 “spite and anger”. Roger literally said if he sang it, it would have been “more vulnerable and less cynical” so that doesn’t tie in. But hey it’s Roger Waters, it’s ego, he’s famous for it. Same ego that had him say Amused to Death is on the same level as Dark Side and Wish You Were Here, that they’re “his” songs and that Dave and Rick aren’t “artists” like he is. He’s a great songwriter, but is 100% egomaniacal and is a know it all who thinks he has all the answers to society’s problems and knows more than we do. P.S - Gilmour has sang Shine On and does it better than Roger! And I actually like Roger’s voice on the records, he’s definitely not a strong live singer though; and indeed doesn’t sing live much now anyway.
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Marvelous. . I never ever seen Roger so truly genuine, edgy an sharp as usual but also relaxed and easy to express his great humanity.
Emphatic, feely and tasteful talk with him , John, hats off
Cheers !
Thank you so much for uploading these !!
btw- at 4:21 Roger is playing 'Flickering Flame', for anyone who might be wondering
This fantastic… Raw.. Authentic… So little time left to capture the history of these special moments.
Music industry has changed so much. No more mega bands and stars. We will never have another Pink Floyd (or Beatles, Led Zeppelin,etc.).
Thanks John. You really did get right down to the nitty gritty with these interviews mate. They're a real pleasure to watch 👍
Cheers !
I love Roger's voice. And it was such a beautiful combination, Waters, Wright and Gilmour. Three beautiful voices, very different from each other and very distinct. They made for such a rich, sonic experience.
What a fantastic personal glimpse into the genius of Mr Waters. So open and so unaffected and uncaring of putting on airs of youthful insecurities and just letting the viewers see a part of the reality of a true artist and prophet. It is not the cleaned up perfected final product that makes the greatness...it is what you see right here!
Thanks for conveying your enthusiasm for this! Im so glad I took a deep dive into this 2011 interview and extracted these very special moments.
awesome John. thank you sir!
Cheers!
Fantastic version of have a cigar
Right off the bat, no warm up. Hits the notes straight away
Roger is clearly very comfortable in your company and trusts you. It's a credit to you that he's so open and honest during your interviews John ✌️
Thank you so much for appreciating that.
You just made my day.
I find it mesmerizing watching Roger in this video. Very seldom see him this way. Very raw and intimate.
Thanks. I think we caught something different that day
It's nice to see Roger in a good mood. You don't get to see that very often these days.
Roger seems pretty serene to me in most interviews. That, of course, doesn't temper his political ferocity.
Nonsense….Rogers mood been fine for many years
This was a thrill. Waters is serenading you solo acoustic doing his best to sing Have a Cigar lol
I agree. It’s a thrill!!
Thanks for this fantastic share about origins of wish you where here
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thanks John!! Welcome to the machine I played once in Amsterdam in 1997 with a fender bassman 135 on a small generator as a comment to where society was going to, the police came and said I had to stop because a big party in another street were hearing my noice, if I didn't go away the police said they would take my equipment.. so far for commenting on society for me :) Still the lines "what did you dream, it's alright we told you what to dream" and "where have you been, it's alright we know where you've been" were very profetic!
How can Polly Sampson say that Roger is a fake? The man was the brain behind PF for f*** sake! Lol. Great video btw. Thanks for the upload.
In this 2011 interview, Roger acknowledges David’s music as the crucial factor that inspired him to write the words of WYWH. He also refers to Rick and David’s responsibility for the sound of “Shine On”. I think what Polly was irked by is that now Roger seems to be claiming that he alone really was the creator of all PF’s work.
He can't even tune his guitar properly. He sings with tracks he pre-recorded 40 years ago. I can see why she said it. He was very definitely the weakest link in Floyd.
@@cornfilledscreamer614 Without Waters (after Syd) Floyd would have been a so so instrumental rock band. Lol
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I admire and respect your work a lot John, I’m quiet astonished that you could even remotely defend what Polly Samson said about Roger recently accusing him of nonsense while trying to assassinate Roger as a human being not only a musician. I’m also quiet astonished by those who claim to be fans of Pink Floyd who dare utter the words “Roger was the weakest link in Pink Floyd”. If anything, the masterpieces of Pink Floyd of the 70s would have never existed without Roger. Both Dave and Rick couldn’t write which was well documented. While they were great musicians, they had no ideas and if it wasn’t for Roger, Pink Floyd would have died after Darkside. You are entitled to your view about Roger, however defending Polly, particularly after her recent attack that was sadly backed by David against his own band mate who made his name, is quiet sad, given that I always trusted your views John.
@@MostafaTamer89 PF was the sum of four/five if we include Syd, weak links that together became titanium. None of them has been remotely as good on their own.
I love welcome to the machine , and Have a cigar ❤
The older I get, the more sense these songs make.
I'm impressed that Roger knows Roy Harper's lyrics so well but it's "the sting in the ale", Rog as in beer 🙂
Yep, I was thinking that he doesn't actually know the song that well . . . .
That’s coz Roger wrote the lyrics 😂
love this so much
@2:16 I'm confused - there's an excerpt of a Roger Waters interview from around the time of the WYWH sessions in the Barry Miles Pink Floyd Visual Documentary where Roger states that the lyrics came first for Wish You Were Here (and that it's "unusual" for that to occur). Here he seems to be claiming that that wasn't the case
Perhaps Roger’s memory is confused ?
You might want to watch the other Edginton interview with Roger where he starts off with a big long speech about 'memory' and the fact he's got a shitty one. That was a LONG time ago. But even Shine On I think they only had that beginning. But he says here that he writes WITH his guitar, but just because your strumming doesn't mean you are 'songwriting'. Money would be the exception where he gets the credit for the 7/8 riff as well as the lyrics.
Waaaha ha ha ha! Was it Roger Waters doing Bob Dylan at 5:30? Loved it! I love both of you.... and all the others too 🙂
L.
Whats the song called
a great talent when I did a Pink Floyd cover Cd they were mostly Rogers songs, saw him doing "pro's and kaos plus "the wall" twice back in the 80s
I keep having this thought that the Wish You Were Here album, although not intended as such, is parallel to the sense of rage, loss, and bleakness felt by so many at the end of the Vietnam War. The reason I say this is because so many people knew someone lost in Vietnam and there were certainly brothers in arms who came back with survivor's guilt after leaving a fallen comrade behind. There is a real rage on the album in tracks like Welcome to the Machine and Have a Cigar mirroring that of those who lost loved ones to a war few understood. As for Roger's feelings about Roy's 'Cigar' performance, I still think it's the definitive version for the simple fact that this is an album about absence...Roy embodies the role of the asshole record exec who doesn't know bands, just record sales...Pink Floyd are vocally absent on the song. It's conceptually perfect. I hear it less as a parody, as Roger puts it, and more as the work of a man playing a very specific character quite well.
I think thats Roger just being a prick. But I agree with you, 'absence' works on lots of levels, and them being absent from lyrics is conceptually perfect. Or as Roger says of the Great Gig, "a happy accident". Pink Floyd had SO many of those its almost like they were preordained.
Agreed!
Thank you for all these fantastic Floyd clips. Just wondering, did you ever try to contact Syd, or any of Syd’s family for an interview?
Yes indeed. My documentary "The Pink Floyd & Syd Barrett Story " would never have happened without the support of Rosemary, Syd's sister. All my 2001 interviews were filmed for that documentary.
@@JOHNEDGINTONDOCUMENTARIES thanks John. I assume you probably didn’t try to contact Syd himself due to his condition, is that correct? Or perhaps the family asked you not to contact him?
@@davidlammeySyd passed away in 2006.
@@SRangerMtl Yes I know, but apparently John did some interviews in 2001, based on his above comment, as well as at least one note for one of his other videos, the interview with Jerry Shirley, I believe
David - the family asked me not to contact him while making the film in 2001
Someone tune that guitar for Rog' please !
Thanks for posting John. Love these extended interviews. Question: did you do the band interviews for the 2023 release of the 2018 remix of Animals? Looks like your style albeit all too brief.
No. Not me
The internet is a beautiful place at times, such a beautiful place.
I'm sure Roger feels like if he'd 'persevered with it' he probably could have sung 'The Great Gig in the Sky' better than Clare Torry too!
I love you Roger but Roy sang 'Have A Cigar' Perfectly! Just be grateful the guy was so busy skiving off doing his own stuff that he was happy to jump in on some of yours.
well - the register is not for Rog....but he tried :)
Tune
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Great interview with Roger, looking forward to watching it in its entirety. Have you done some interview with Eric Clapton? It would be great to see something with him uncut. Thanks
No luck on Eric I'm afraid
Is that a red Jazz bass in the background
What's that song he is singing about "I shall be free" ?
It’s “Flickering Flame “
Thanks John. Any interviews where Roger speaks about Animals?
No sorry
yeah.. id like to hear from one of the guys about Snowy White playing lead guitar on "Pigs On The Wing" which was only ever released on the 8 track version of the album. A true Floyd oddity!!
I sided with Gilmore just like I sided with David Lee Roth I know that’s a big difference but I was right with Roth but I was wrong with Gilmore. Both are just not the same. The chemistry of a band is a collective and it’s sad that personal egos get in the way, because its who takes the credit and it really is a collective they all get the credit. Gilmour has so much talent.
I completely agree, and I prefer the Floyd work that was most collaborative and collective, 1967-72. I too had simply assumed, at first, that David was in the right in his rift with Roger, but a deeper dive revealed to me a strangely spiteful, potshot-taking side of David I didn't know existed. It's as if the superstardom he gained from Roger's writing formats (which after DSOTM featured more dramatic soloing from him) swelled his head and pulled him out of the role of the "quiet one," which suited him much better. I also preferred his earlier textural, atmospheric style to the post-DSOTM one. (I don't like any of his solo albums, and it was classless of him to revive the Floyd without Roger, but in any case their efforts are for the most part unlistenable.) His recent endorsement of his wife's slanderous tweet of Roger as "anti-Semitic" and "misogynist" was disgraceful. The guy looks tormented in his old age. It's as if he knows, deep down, that he's wrong.
@@chicklets4ever51 Its silly taking 'sides'. But the simple fact is that Roger left Pink Floyd, David didn't kick him out. David said he was fully ready to still work with Roger despite their differences. You notice that Roger talks about 'the difficulties' which were basically when David grew a backbone and started arguing. THAT made a lot of great music as well.
But David didn't kick him out. In his song on The Division Bell he says he reached out to Roger adn was told to 'f off'. I heard somewhere that David partly wanted to rebuild that fence because Amused to Death really had lyrics as good as anything Roger wrote, but I think David is right, that like 'the wall', it lacks 'soul'. Meaning that I think Pink Floyd WOULD have made it better, and likely MORE people would have heard of Radio KAOS and Amused to Death.
But both were flops, but thats on Roger, I still think both are brilliant, and I liked Momentary Lapse almost as much, not so much Division Bell.
As for Ukraine, we don't know what that was about. Word has it Polly is jewish and certainly there are plenty of jews who think Israel can do no wrong. She basically wrote some fairly pedantic insults of Roger, of which most are certainly things he's heard before. Some certainly were over the top, but its social media that mostly makes more of this stuff than is really necessary.
Either way, Roger left and sued and takes responsiblity so thats that. Not a big surprise David doesn't want to work with him and basically they likely had no way of knowing a 'tweet' would amount so much. So there aren't really sides to take, particulary about Ukraine, the fact is BOTH have a point as far as it goes.
@@mikearchibald744 To keep it brief: The lyrics about Roger "telling David to f* off" weren't even David's. They were Polly's. It's a stupid, one-sided, reductive representation of the dispute. David, by my books, is a disgrace. Good guitarist, yes, but weak in character and vain. And he never grew a backbone. He merely grew resentful then grew a bitchy wife. He became a malcontent in a group and against a person to whom he owed so much. As for the Ukraine, there's no "two sides" to the issue. There's only the destructive nihilistic foreign policy of the United States (their poodle-like, decadent European "allies" are almost unworthy of mention), whose actions of the past 20 years have left much of the Middle East in smoking ruins and are now doing the same in Ukraine, arming an illegitimate far-right government that THEY installed in a coup d'etat in 2014, precisely to provoke Russia, and provoke Russia they did. ALL of the land Russia has thus far taken is historically Russian. Learn your history. Roger Waters understands this well, and in political matters he sticks to his guns. To my great admiration. The "dispute" with David was also, if you recall, provoked by DAvid's dislike of Roger's politics, way back in the late 70s-early 80s. Well, lo these many years later, it turns out Roger was right in those politics, practically prophetic. Rich boy Gilmour (who was born to a wealthy family) doesn't like Roger's revolutionary posturing. Too bad for him. The truth hurts sometimes.
@@chicklets4ever51 No he doesn't, you make Waters out to be some creative genius but all he ever did was rip off Syds ideas without credit whilst Dave had the good conscience to ensure Syd got all he could.
Remember Waters madly declaring Syd "crazily" wanting to bring in a female singer and a sax player which Waters used as an excuse to say was "the last straw" then fire Syd then what popped up on Darkside to give it its edge?a female singer and a sax player plus Syds Clockwork Room at end of Bike was rerecorded for start of Time with zero posthumous credit for Syd either and Waters even copied Syds "scribbled black" line in it from a Syd song on Piper.
Waters dined out on Syds life for decades and didn't even give a tip.
@@wotdoesthisbuttondo Learn to write, man. Your verbiage is a disaster. They ALL agreed to ease Syd out of the band, they ALL agreed to let Syd have full royalties, and they ALL agreed to re-release their first two albums in 1974 under the title of "A Nice Pair" right on the heels of their Dark Side success, SO THAT Syd's shares would increase. Roger was very much part of these decisions, and he was also involved in the efforts to help Syd on his solo work, particularly Madcap. And Roger's recuperation of some of Syd's ideas are an homage. You simply don't know what you're talking about and yet you see fit to pollute the web with your barely comprehensible rants. One should have to pass an intelligence test before commenting on the internet.
And also Have a cigar, wish i personnaly rather ❤
Nice playing.
I remember an old interview with Rog where he said he doesn't even enjoy playing the instruments on his songs but rather being the idea man and conductor to the other musicians. I wish you would have had a chance to ask him if he even played anything on the records.
This clip really shows that. His guitar playing skills for a 73 year old pro musician are suprising. He can barely play his own damn songs. I know he's cold and a couple Beck's in, but. I guess he broke the guitar out to one up Gilmour, but it really just shows how much he needed him.
To be fair, what David came up with for Shine on was a few notes. Smoke on the water isn't many more notes. Roger is the bass player and as you say, its "MOST' likely he brought out his guitar because he mentions that people were saying he wrote lyrics to other peoples music. But you can go listen to his demo for Time and its pretty horrible sounding, just strumming. So no, the instrumentals are something he conducts. Nothing wrong with that. Frankly good guitarists are a dime a dozen. Good songwriters are VERY rare as we now hear daily.
But he didn't need HIM, as we know from Radio KAOS and Amused to Death, he needed producers and other musicians. And many of Davids tracks show he certainly needed help with songwriting.
Not sure where the idea came about musical proficiency, EVERYBODY it seems has to be a genius on their instrument or else people sit back and point out "Ah, you aint so great". I'm not sure WHY that is, but its not helping music any to put down almost anybody who plays anything online.
But I'm in a facebook kitchen party, which is just normal people singing songs and its pretty cool, despite there being few virtuosos.
Also to Rogers Credit he probably hasn't played those parts in years if not decades
Being a songwriter has nothing to do with playing an instrument well and playing an instrument well has nothing to do with being a songwriter. You're lucky if you can do both, but it's clear to me that unless you're making instrumental music, the song is the most important thing since good musicians need songs to express themselves.
This interview really spotlights the one thing that people don’t mention when it comes to these heated debates about Roger vs David’s contributions to PF -David was a MUCH better singer. Yes Roger wrote all the lyrics (and they’re brilliant) but thank god he only sung about 20% of them. David would still be a huge part of the “Floyd sound” even if he was born without arms.
They’re both great in their own way - it’s a band not a competition
As Iconic as They come > love Waters ❣️
Too few willing to use Their amplified voice in support of Human Rights...far too few showing support for Assange, etc > Waters in this regard is most impressive & fair to say Heroic
He heroically hates Israel and bolsters Palestine?
Does money from gigs Waters does for Palestine get used to buy bombs?
@@wotdoesthisbuttondo you've tipped your hand, dude. I can see now that your comments have nothing do to with music.
Yes, absolutely. Waters is one of the few true 60s icons remaining, as the others all sell out. In that respect he's a worthy heir to John Lennon (though John's singing voice is a thousand times better!). Hasta la victoria. Siempre.
@@chicklets4ever51 > not sure what your point is? > music a fantastic vehicle for necessary change > as most effectively exhibited in the 60's
@@TransparentMediaTruth i completely agree with you
2011 was when David Gilmour actually appeared with Roger for one of his Wall shows in the UK - at that time it looked like a real thaw in relations had occurred - but obviously it was not to last - hopefully they can both just let it rest now as all the squabbling only sullies the legacy of the band ..
Roger was pink floyd and still is.
Pink Floyd is a band, not a person.
@@DavidAdarmases12 Well done ❤
You better suck your popsicle, Alex.
@@DavidAdarmases12 Pink Floyd WAS a band.
@@DM-kv9kj Well, ok, but my point is not any one person gets to claim all their music.
It looks like the Wish You Were Here should be acoustic album.
To his credit he is a bass player
"I'm not quite sure what the chords are"
Nick mason, Roger Waters, David Gilmour, Richard Wright. Always love your music collaboration, their is only 1 pink Floyd and nothing has ever come close!.
Syd Barrett
Roy singing Have a Cigar is perfect because it's a cynical executive speaking TO Pink Floyd. It makes sense.
I never knew somebody outside Floyd sang cigar on the recording. You can see why it was a problem for his range.
There is a version with both Waters and Gilmour singing it on some compilation of Pink Floyd. Doesn't sound better, but you're used to the original for almost 50 years now, so it's hard to compare.
@@krnkrp that typical for most artist live... I guess that is what I find interesting is how much the vocal on the recording sounds like them both. I never would have guessed it was someone else singing.
Come on guys, he has almost 75 years here.
Q me importa si algo desafina, q mas le puede pedir uno, tanto nos ha dado con Pink Floyd.
9:40 XD
used be in a band with a guitarist like this. Asked him a straight question and he just carried on playing the guitar.
Dont talk to guitarists if they have a guitar in their hand.
WYWH is clearly inspired by Van Morrison's "Almost Independence Day". When is Roger going to acknowledge it ?
Dave acknowledged it in an interview, albeit a bit stealthily. It’s his riff
I don't think ANYBODY has ever said Dave did all the music while Roger just wrote lyrics. As we know from listening to Prog, or something like The Band, there is a BIG difference between a 'melody' which just goes with words, and a final song. We've seen it mentioned that The Wall Roger presented was a big long one piece 'song'. That reminds me of the YES interviews where Bill Bruford says Jon Anderson would present a song, which would be pretty godawful, and then just tell them to go write it. Thats the great thing about these prog bands, if Roger had wanted to, he could have followed Roy's footsteps and just been a folk singer with a guitar and then you can have all the guts and all the glory. But from Dave's view the Wall was pretty godawful.
Granted, thats that british and canadian thing when people seem to 'put on airs' that we feel the need to chop them down, but being a lyricist is an important job, but in LOTS of ways anybody who has written anything knows that often it 'just comes', or else it doesn't. And Roger has some great lyrics, as well as plenty of stinkers, so lets not pretend its Shakespeare. In fact on SOME of his alllusions he's clearly learned from Syd about making somewhat abstract allusions that not many poepel would think of.
Hi Mike. As I said in my response to the previous commenter. Here in 2011 Roger is very clear about David and Rick’s key contributions. In contrast to his rather boorish assertion recently that he was singularly responsible for PF’s creative output in the 70s.
@@JOHNEDGINTONDOCUMENTARIES True, in a way. But its kind of a backhanded compliment as its "well that five notes was simple, like all great music" but then goes on to say "I then went and wrote the song like all the songs I write, on my own".
So thats sort of like giving credit to Ritchie Blackmore for the first notes of Smoke on the Water, but nothing for the rest of it.
And maybe its completely true, I dont' know, Rick Beato talks about it as the greatest 'country music song' and that perhaps it would be perfect with just an acoustic guitar.
But even Rogers compliments always seem to come with a caveat.
Actually I thought this was LESS complimentary than his current boorish comments, he does seem to acknowledge them, in an interview just recently he railed out at some interviewer for making it seem like he didn't think Comfortably Numb was the greatest guitar solo, and goes on about it like it is (I'm still not sure, but I don't even know how you measure such things). Its LIKELY not boorishness at all, but jsut a lack of having some basic understandings of social communication which Roger may lack. I don't hold it against him....much, because I never quite know what kind of talk is expected in certain situations either.
But again, as Neil Peart said, "nobody escapes their childhood". Having heard him talk about his mother, and seeing the Wall, I think thats where much of this stems from. Interestingly enough I always thought David seemed like the mother and Nick and Rick to the two kids and that was Rogers family....and he blew that family as well. Even David says getting back together would be like "sleeping with the ex".
Roger was much more than just the lyricist. He was the creative director. Look at the footage of them rehearsing for their Albert Hall gig way back in '68. Even then, Roger is pretty much the driving force and helmsman. (And even in the Syd days, Roger was a very strong presence in the band.) David is by nature a passive man and for a very long time was perfectly willing to allow Roger the principle directorial role, until his head began to swell. Practically all of his efforts without Roger are flaccid, without spark or tension. The gaga fans may still come, but the critics are not convinced (Roger's solo efforts, on the other hand, had some critical success.) David needed Roger more than Roger needed David.
PS. Dave's view that "the Wall was pretty godawful" can be heard quite clearly in his rather perfunctory guitar work on the album (with the exception of "Comfortably Numb," of course). Not really something to be proud of.
@@chicklets4ever51Dude, his solo on another brick ii is a masterpiece...
sometimes the guitar as well as the band are playing in/a different tune. they probably just handed him whatever guitar they could find and started the interview. i doubt rw brought it himself. he's earned a free pass. this is an amazing interview regardless. you can see he's not feeling some type of way and is in a very relaxed mood. grumpy roger didn't show up. one can see that the beginning of the end of the "pink floyd" as most know it, started right after dsotm. i guess after all they had been through and after having poured so much of their souls into making such a great album, what were once leaks turned into cracks and then into full blown raging torrents of disagreement within and outside the band, rw makes it clear he had certain ideas that were overruled by the other three and/or the producer/record company. i think he's still pissed about it. it's strange to think how one moment can change the course of future events and today still be witnessing it's effect. syd barrett's "lost weekend" in which he never really returned from, set in motion so much. it's almost like he's the sacrifice, much like robert johnson's soul, that allowed the members of pink floyd to become the rock stars he never wanted to be. it's all very strange how everything turned out. i see the flies.
Thanks. Interesting comments. Fyi. Roger bought his own guitar with him to the interview
Roy Harper sounds so perfect on "Have a cigar".... Waters is still unable to sing the song - and it's quite awful...
The genius could have tuned the guitar
Was für ein stümper und selbstverliebter wichser
Hey John, I have a request.. do you think you could ask Rog or Dave about Snowy White playing lead guitar on "Pigs On The Wing" which was only ever released on the 8 track version of the album? Not only I, but Im certain a great many of us would love to hear about that. A true Floyd oddity!!
Interesting oddity indeed. I cannot really ask that kind of question outside of an interview. It’s possible they’ve talked about it somewhere. Try a deep Google dive.
I remember that!! It's an interesting recording but I prefer what were used to I suppose
(I wonder if they included it as an extra on the deluxe packages?)
huge huge fan of his and the other 4 Floyd members body of work.. buuuut the more I here Roger talk (and I have heard a lot) the less and less I like the guy. Maybe for me it's better to just stick to listening to the records and not find out every little tid bit.
I think he was accused of being tone deaf
well, he's ignoring the fact that guitar is somewhat out of tune
Being tone deaf doesn't mean you cannot learn chord changes. Beach.
It’s wrong for Roger to say that he did it all…. It just is & nobody believes him anyway. Not sure why he’s still at it, he & his surrogate band sound nothing like Pink Floyd & he’s offered nothing close in music since the wall .
Not sure what you are talking about as Roger points out parts that David & Rick wrote in this interview. Did you even watch it?
Pros and Cons is at least as musical as the wall I would say. Would rather listen to Waters solo over David's lyrically vacuous / corny pop music.
He didn’t say he did it all… he said he was the leader and he is right.
Put yourself in his shoes, then you will understand what he meant
@@chrissimpson6017 the simple fact that all the music for comfortably numb came from David I think trumps your “idea” about anything Roger is laying claim too, the other albums are the same deal, Roger is completely UNABLE to create anything musically close to what David can do, all Roger can do is pathetically “reimagine” (what a joke) Dark Side of The Moon because the guy has nothing decent of his own to do so he’s gonna basically try to “steal” back not just a Pink Floyd album but the greatest album of all time & he’s only doing it so he gets 100% of the credit. Once again Roger Waters has not had anything good to offer since the wall 🤦♂️
tHiS mAN IS PInk fLOyd *** plays a few songs poorly and completely out of tune
Yeah
You do know the difference between in interview and a concert dont you?
He played the guitar just fine idk what these people in the comments are fucking malding about lol. Roger hate is crazy
Every time I see this guy talking about writing the tunes, I call BS! He can't play or sing any of them. My guess is Syd Barrett wrote them ALL.
Waters is Pink Floyd, the other three too, of course.
He was a hell of a writer, even if you don’t think he was a good player (which I don’t disagree with you about)
You call ......BS ? Whats that mean ?
Ganz ehrlich, ich fand den Typen schon immer scheisse.
Völlig überbewertet und nur retro, nichts neues.
Das schlimmste ist dass er noch nicht mal ne Gitarre stimmen kann. 😂
Why watch if you know you hate him ?
ROGER YOU ARE BRILLIANT, YOUR NO1 ISRAELI FAN
Kapo, huh?
@@scottwolf8633 no, that would be you
@@chicklets4ever51 Great comeback, for the developmentally arrested.
@@scottwolf8633 yeah, whatever. Tell me, do they pay you for your trolling?
Thanks so much for sharing this. Both the best and worst of Roger, the creative drive and the egomaniacal delusional part that thinks he could have sang Have A Cigar better than Harper
I don't think Roger is saying he could have sung it "better" on a technical level. Roger wouldn't dare suggest he's a better technical singer than Roy or David Gilmour. He's not that delusional! But Roger's voice has a unique quality that Roy's nor anyone else's simply doesn't have, because there's only one Roger Waters. For example, Waters' voice is perfect for songs like Comfortably Numb, Hey You, Nobody Home, Shine On, One of My Turns, etc. I can't imagine Roy Harper or Gilmour singing the bits in those songs Roger sings.
So, I think what Roger is saying here is that he would have interpreted the lyrics better than Harper in the sense that he would have had the appropriate level of spite and anger, which of course he is famous for. Harper's interpretation is more satirical and parodical, which isn't how Roger sees the song as being. By the way, this is all coming from someone who thinks the lyrics are quite parodical and Roy was perfect for the song. I love the humourous edge to the song and think it's a great counter balance to Welcome to the Machine, which is indeed full of anger and spite. Far too long a comment. Sorry.
@@nectarinedreams7208 “spite and anger”. Roger literally said if he sang it, it would have been “more vulnerable and less cynical” so that doesn’t tie in. But hey it’s Roger Waters, it’s ego, he’s famous for it. Same ego that had him say Amused to Death is on the same level as Dark Side and Wish You Were Here, that they’re “his” songs and that Dave and Rick aren’t “artists” like he is. He’s a great songwriter, but is 100% egomaniacal and is a know it all who thinks he has all the answers to society’s problems and knows more than we do.
P.S - Gilmour has sang Shine On and does it better than Roger! And I actually like Roger’s voice on the records, he’s definitely not a strong live singer though; and indeed doesn’t sing live much now anyway.
You realize you are quite insane?