I hope people can appreciate how rare this interview actually is. Roger seems to be so open here, so comfortable compared to any other interview. Very cool to see
i was never a rogan fan or anything but this is kinda incredible how he got roger to come sit there and talk about stuff everyone wanted to hear for the last 50 years
@@PaulFormentos I repeat my post from above: Rick Wright has never said a bad word about Roger. Instead he admits he was struggling with drugs and depression at the time that Roger was coming down hard on him. Roger's actions at that time may seem harsh to us as outsiders, but it seems that within the dynamics of a world-famous band with all the professional pressures that come with that, they were probably justified.
@@mci6830 they never went to see him because Syd wouldn't have enjoyed seeing the band again, as well as the fact that his family outright asked them to not visit him out of the blue or even attend his funeral, he wanted complete privacy
Roger has daddy issues, as his father died in war when he was 5 months old. That’s why syds departure effected him so much, and why he constantly had issues with David Gilmore.
Joe makes his guests feel more comfortable than 95% of his peers. Roger was so incredibly open discussing his mate Syd. Hadn’t seen that degree of honesty before. Well done Joe.
As much as I disagree with Joe's take on things at times, he's an incredible host and it's why his podcast has become the biggest in the world. He allows his guests to talk and asks good questions. Shit people WANT to know, not surface level bullshit everyone knows already.
Sure......his "mate" Syd.......just about every album has a negative spin on his mental health....." The lunatic is on the grass".....Pink Floyd made millions writing about "their mates" mental health........🐂💩
Syd Barrett is one of those figures in rock history that is hard not to get fascinated by, there's something very mythical about him and the music he made still sounds great now.
Roger's description of Syd's writing style as "traditional English romantic" is a spot-on description I don't recall hearing from anyone else. Yes, Syd Barrett's Pink Floyd was a leading influence in the psychedelic and experimental music scenes, but Syd's songs also had a whimsical way about them, at least vocally and lyrically, that brilliantly countered the instrumentation.
could you imagine if he had livid and started his own career long enough to link up with Brian Jones after 68? Brian jones wanted to start a early super group with Keith moon along, & John Lennon
The mystique around Sydney only has as much gravity as it does because of what Pink Floyd became...the mystique is retrospective in that Pink Floyd has always been shrouded in a veil of darkened sensibilities, which we all recognize from our own souls.
My son developed schizophrenia last October. This hits close to home for me. It's been a roller coaster ride. His delusions are very religious and he self harms himself. He cut his toe off during his first break. He was at school in LA during the time. He's a Math major at UCLA and is a pretty smart young man. He was taking Masters courses in Math at 17. It's been really tough to see him not in his right mind over the last year, but there is good news. He suffered a pretty traumatic break in August, but after his last visit to a facility, it seems they adjusted his medication right and he is now getting an injection. He's been his normal self and is back to doing his studies. UCLA has been amazingly understanding of his situation. His GPA looks like it won't be tarnished and he's in the process of making up a few of his classes online. We are hopeful for the future. This is such a tragic condition.
I’m sorry about your son, this sounds like my friend, he’s very smart like your son and self harms. His delusions aren’t religious though. His are more like people are looking at him, talking about him or out to get him in some way
I have the same story. My son also developed schizophrenia in his late teens. It was a very traumatic time. But he never gave up trying and moving forward. He finished university, got married and has a wonderful, successful life.
Your son sounds a lot like me. I was big into math and physics for awhile, but I couldn't finish because I just haven't been able to get my life together. Lately I've been doing better. If he's anything like me he'll be better when he hits 30 and if he consistently takes his medication. But when I watched this video I almost cried because when he described how Syd Barrett hates interacting with people before his break that is something I deal with too.
I wish the best for your son and your family. I hope this isn't taken amiss, but in addition to the medications, I wonder if he'd also like to consider treating it from a perspective of gut disbiosis? I'm not discounting the benefits of medication. Just thinking it could be another angle of treatment to look into, as well. Some families seem to think it has helped them a lot.
Im 25. I just went down a rabbit hole of Pink Floyd. Man, there is so much to this than I ever knew. All of it. From Rodger’s dad, to the origins of the name of their band, to Syd. So much respect. Truly one of the greatest bands of all time.
@@sambbk7203 I’ve always known about Pink Floyd! My mom listened to them a lot when I was growing up. It wasn’t until recently I wanted to discover how they became a band and everything
Yeah I wasn't around when they were massively popular and my school mates were into pop-punk. I knew of them. I think it was weirdly a print interview with marilyn manson written in 1994 that i saw on the internet talking about his influences and then one day I listened to 'interstellar overdrive' sitting on a park bench. Went.... woah. Of course pink floyd live at pompeii playing to an audience of ghosts also a special moment. It made the kids at school carrying on about green day seem a little bit silly. But, not that i hated them for it.@@KxoxoG59
Yeah you can really tell whenever Gilmour is asked about Syd. It’s the only topic that immediately upsets him to bring up, and he gets, for a guy whose own wife describes as only really ever showing emotion through song, pretty clearly sad and almost angry that he’s being asked to comment on it. Prob bc he and Syd were friends before Floyd, learned guitar together, busied around France together, long before ultimately getting the difficult job of replace him in his own band. I can’t even imagine. To his credit, he insisted on including Syd’s songs on later live albums and compilations later on, to ensure he’d get some royalties and have some income, even though he was discouraged from visiting like Rog mentions. Man what a sad extinguishing of one incredibly bright flame.
@mneisbaar Huh? I've been listening to Pink Floyd nearly every day since I first heard them. That has nothing to do with the fact that we weren't there with them when they were young and wouldn't know how heartbreaking losing Syd was.
I had a good mate who went strange. It was hard to take because prior to this he was lif and sould and his humour was second to none. A few months down the line my wife told me he had committed suicide. It shattered both of us. A horrible time that visits me a few time a year.
I love both phases till The Wall. Syd Barrett stuff is not for everyone. Could be a bit odd but special. Thats why the band loved him so much. Thats why the love for him is still growing
@@theWARMJET well said, bro. It took me a couple listens. Listened to most if not all his stuff, and I love it so much. But absolutely not for everyone
One of the longest stretches of silence I’ve ever witnessed from Joe. He just let this man talk about his friend. He really is a very good interviewer.
yeah and at the same time he promotes russian propaganda and supports the russian invasion in ukraine saying the west forced putin's hand and nato is to blame.
@@cFull_Rtrd He in no way supports the russian invasion of Ukraine. He sent Putin a fucking letter asking him to stop for christ sake. Did you even listen to anything he said in the episode?
You can hear the pain in Roger’s voice while talking about Syd. It’s truly tragic how Syd lost his mind. People don’t take mental health serious enough. We should check up on our friends and family more often, before it’s too late. Time is not our friend.
@@Ian.420 that’s not true at all. He literally had schizophrenia. Therefore making him unable to perform live. Also medicine for the mentally ill wasn’t as advanced as it is today, so treatments for schizo-affective disorders weren’t as efficient. He had no choice but to live a quiet lonely life.
Same here. Drugs unfortunately took my brothers mind. The recovery rate is so poor for schizophrenia, the future looks so dim without him here as he once was. My love to you and your family
@@davies010 the science is that drugs just make schizophrenic symptoms express themselves earlier in life than they would have without them. Chances are your brother was always going to be schizophrenic. There is no real "recovery" from it... you just figure out how to manage it. Most people who suffer from it seem to get better at controlling their episodes as they get older and accept their mental disorder (it took my brother about 16 years to finally understand and respect his condition). There is no "cure" though... it's not that kind of disease. Stopping drugs certainly makes the symptoms better though - my brother is a mess on drugs. They're basically fuel on the fire. You can get what you call "drug induced psychosis" which is a little different and you can recover from that. The symptoms are very similar.
I grew up listening to PF and Piper at the Gates of Dawn was always my favourite LP, and many years later when I used to work for a pharmacy chain, I was visiting an outlet in Cherry Hinton Road, in Cambridge, when a staff member said to me "Do you know who Syd Barret is?". I said "Of course - he was one of my heroes". She pointed to a bald, plump guy waiting for his medicine and said "That's him". I was shocked and very sad seeing this great man looking so down. RIP Syd (Roger).
No I have no clue what your name really means but not for nothing I am the reason people put ones and two's at the end of names , I can even break each one down on how it came to be, being that it all actually started separately not all at once like most think and for good reason. I've told it before once atleast. I'm sorry I had to say this atleast twice I guess? haha.
Poor Syd, a child in an adult world who could write at will the very essence of British quirkiness. Inventor of Space Rock and could paint like a true genius as well. So sad. RIP
Awe he had a huge love and respect for his friend. And to slowly watch him go crazy and never bounce back must have been a horrible experience on so many levels
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According to his family he was fine, I feel like the band just threw him under the bus since he was a drug addict, I don't think he was crazy. He just wanted to live in solitude after getting kicked out
I love this band. Not many musicians came close to their brilliance. And the ghost of Syd was always there as the energy they needed. RIP Syd and Rick.
I'm so glad I discovered Pink Floyd in the 90s when they did the 'Pulse' tour. I remember buying the cassette while I was in America in '95 when I was about 20. It had a flashing light on the cassette box on the front. Brilliant live album. I'm just gutted I missed the tour.
LSD saved my life, made me confront my selfishness and helped me overcome anger issues, sadly I have heard stories of other folks who couldn’t make it back. Be well everyone and I wish you to have a joyful life.
The crazy thing about the drug is that scientists have only recently started to figure out exactly how it works on the brain. Other drugs like ecstasy, cocaine, heroin, alcohol etc are really simple in their mechanisms in comparison. LSD was invented in the 1940’s, but they’re only just figuring it out. It totally changes how different parts of the brain communicate with each other - like a total re routing of a computer. It can be very dangerous for people who’ve got a fragile disposition.
Pay no attention to the propaganda tales of "not coming back". As a drug, it is safer than asprin. It is your mind that is the variable in the equation.
I had 1 trip, it was so amazing and healing that I haven't wanted to do it again since. It's not so positive and kind to everyone, and needs to be treated like medicine.
@@cynthiamontoya6369 Not really, you do anything to any level you end up fucked and fried. No LSD doesn't destroy everyone you glamourise the word. alcohol breaks your brain, so does too much weed. And loads of other things. It's just a story of not wanting fame, nothing weird of not wanting to mime on TOTP. You can see a world without wanting to sell out, this is just a tale of the boring ones plodding through and wanting to make as much money as possible like Mick Fleetwood and John McVeigh who used Peter Green's fragile mental state to form a career for themselves saw an opening and used it. But called Peter selfless. No, they just knew he didn't want fame and neither did Barret. I find it weird and disturbing people looking to end up being the new Phil Collins, selling out totally. Yep, there is an attractive train in vanishing, because all the fools talking about it forever as a what could have been rather than a has been like Dave Gilmour and Roger Waters. I'd love to write an amazing album and vanish, let people say i never had another in me and let others say i was unique etc, it shows the mundane behavior of what Syd say's in the middle of this interview, People! people are problems. It's not weird..
I usually don't watch Joe Rogan but I have to thank him for this interview. Roger Waters was comfortable to talk about Syd and revealed so much about all that happened, I always wondered how the rest of PF lived that "breaking point" in the band, how it was to see Syd change right in front of them. And here it is, Roger telling the story like he was talking to a friend. Thank you Joe Rogan, that interview answered so many questions I had in the back of my head.
Im curious why you don't watch Rogan? He has other fascinating interviews with musicians. His taming of David Lee Roth in his first interview with DLR was amazing. You can literally see Joe break down Dave in real time. He methodically brings him back to earth, strips down the Diamond Dave persona and Dave really opens up about everything. Even if you're not a Van Halen fan, to watch Joe go from podcasting with his buddies and talking shit to Joe become a master conversationalist with someone like Roth who is a handful to interview, is truly a fucking wonder! I highly recommend that interview and his interview with Sturgill Simpson.
@@not_the_ATFabsolutely he is, but whereas Syd was able to lead the band to a form of greatness from the start, Roger grew and evolved as a writer over time. He ended up becoming the leader the band in a sense didn’t need: they were strongest when they were at their most equal. However, Roger’s contribution as a writer and particularly as a lyricist steered Pink Floyd to the preeminence that they enjoy to this day. Nothing can detract from what he helped them achieve, but the magic of the band is that the whole remains greater than the sum of the parts. Something that remained the case when Gilmour became the leader the band did need following the departure of Waters.
Id never watched many podcasts , i did t in all honesty even know what they were , now im subbed to hundreds of em ,get rid of TV chat shows i say n put these on
As someone who has seen the symptoms of schizophrenia in friends and a family member, and who has some potential to have psychosis himself... I think i relate to his dilemma, i think Syd was only ever interested in making the art for arts sake, as soon as you add pressure like money and fame, you start feeling like something is dying and want to evacuate yourself from it (mentally and physically). I think in the early stages Syd was more aware of what the trajectory was, he could see it happening around him and couldn't embrace living in the moment and just enjoying the ride they were going on. He was seeing all these record and studio execs, he was watching his friends change, he couldn't handle it, he felt like an imposter which just compounded his stress.
@@paulmor2023chance for what? He didn't want to further take a part in the band that was commercialized and politicized. If he was crazy then he wouldn't be able to function fine living alone until he died.
I had a good friend who has schizophrenia and I was hanging out with him daily and I watched him go from a normal guy to someone who was completely out of his mind. He eventually got diagnosed with it and put on medication for it but he started using other drugs heavily and stopped taking his medicine and turned into someone who actually scared the hell out of me. It's the very reason I had to stop hanging around with him. But I'll never forget some of his crazy incoherent ramblings. I truly feel sorry for anyone suffering from that tragic disease. It's god awful in every way imaginable.
I had a friend who was exactly the same. He was my best friend I met him at school when I was 12. Because of him I met and married my Wife and we've had 2 boys of our own. Breaks my heart but he's now in a home and being looked after at the age of 46.
My nephew had an outbreak and killed someone who came in his house (self defense) but after shooting him it messed him up and went insane doing other things to the body and he got locked up for 2nd degree murder only to find out he has schizophrenia. He's currently awaiting trial
I had a cousin who this happened to, but it was like a clean break with reality. He went from the person I knew to having to be institutionalized and relearn verbal communication over the course of a few days. And he was using drugs at the time. I think that psychedelics and even something as seemingly benign as pot can cause latent schizophrenia to manifest.
Refreshing to see an interviewer actually let someone tell a story without interrupting them. Too many times I see this happen, and it was great to see Joe sit back and let Roger tell his story. Shows amazing respect. Hearing Roger talk about his dear friend Syd was heartbreaking. Must have been so hard seeing someone you cared so much about spiral down knowing there’s nothing you can do to stop it. Great interview.
I remember reading about the band's background and how Roger Waters said that Syd Barrett was one of the only people in school who made an effort to befriend him. It's clear that even to this day Barrett still holds a special place in Waters's mind.
@@ColinMcDonaldGrant The general theory is that Syd didnt want fame, he didnt want money, he just wanted to play guitar and be an artist. If he didnt get kicked out the band Pink Floyd would have been like the grateful dead, very jam and experimental orientated. This comes from the inteviews of him being displeased with fame and stories of him noodling on stage and also re-tuning his guitar on stage, which is something the grateful dead are notorious for. Roger, Rick and Nick all wanted fame and fortune, they were all poor students with no career prospects. Psychedelia was also beginning to be blacklisted by some record companies, EMI included, which meant they needed to shed some of their psychedelic sounds into classic rock, blues and folk sounds. They viewed syd and sabotaging their potential rise to fame and fortune so they stopped picking him up at gigs and replacing him with david gilmour. They still needed songs so they kept in contact with syd for song ideas, this was mostly done under the idea of a 'solo album' that pink floyd produced, until syd caught on to what they were doing and purposefully messed with them, making complex/non-pop songs with weird tripped out lyrics that made absolute no sense, he would also write lyrics that would directly insult the potential singers lack of ability to write songs. Eventually they severed ties with each other, syd got into a deep depression and kept close with very few people, as he was also burnt by people using him to score drugs and be around him because he was famous. As the bands popularity grew, he withdrew more and more. But this is obviously the folk tale in syd barrett circles, none of us were there but it kind of makes sense.
@@oscarleedefur Thankyou. Have to say Waters sounded frankly callous and indifferent in this interview, I didnt buy his sensitive act, it was more "listen to me with baited breath". He obviously no longer felt anything about Syd. Ive known people who have met with these guys - to say they are unpleasant is an understatement.
@@oscarleedefur this is such a ridiculous take, have you listened to any of David Gilmour's music without Waters? It's nowhere near what Floyd was, Dave couldn't write a lyric to save his life. And Syd didn't shave his hair off and live in an attic for 40 years because of a business decision in a band.
@@Millylerks I see what you're trying to say, but a large chunk of your reasoning is off-base. There wasn't any 'hidden' solo album agenda by the band to milk songs off Syd. The band kicked Syd out in January of '68 after he proved to be unworkable for several months (from Sept-Dec 67') and it wasn't officially announced until April of 68'. In late 67' he started missing concerts, and when he DID show up he was going catatonic on-stage, or deliberately detuning his guitar on-stage, and the few songs he brought to the table were fragmented and the label refused to promote them cause they were simply too 'out there'. The American tour in Nov 67 prior was especially a disaster cause Syd by that point was in a mental free-fall, so after several months of this the band ended up in an unworkable situation and had no choice but to go with Gilmour. This only happened after a handful of shows where they tried having BOTH of them in the band, but Syd once again became undependable. It's not like the band didn't give him a chance, but they could see that they had no way forward with Syd in the band. Regarding the Solo LPS, EMI records only took an interest in Syd because Blackhill management STAYED with him and they regarded him as the resident 'genius' of the band. In 69' Waters & Gilmour both had heard Syd was in trouble with the Solo albums (and was dragging out the recordings at Abbey Road) and they made every attempt to help him record the albums (Rick Wright as well). As erratic as the 2 solo albums are, some of the songs are arguably brilliant and arguably BETTER then Pink Floyd at the time. It's a tragic tale but it's not quite as 'agenda' filled as you think it is. The band did what they did to survive.
Syd is the most enigmatic legend. An amazing songwriter. Him showing up at the studio during Wish you were here is the coolest story in music ever. Rest well Syd. Also this was just incredible to hear.
what is cool about Syd rocking up n '75... fat, bald, brushing his teeth with no one recognising him? then Rick & Roger bursting into tears when they recognised who it was?
@@coldacre Holding the toothbrush in his mouth and jumping up and down rather than moving his wrist. Heartbreaking story. I agree - nothing cool about it.
No doubt, this is the place to go for an interview, I mean, if you want to hear the subject themselves. If you want a self-conscious interviewer, noisy circus atmosphere and sheer metric tons of artificial nervous laughter from a rabid studio audience, hit the late night jimmys.
Wow! I think that is a strangest “kudos” I’ve ever heard. For listening the guest tell interesting story! Really? That’s what we really came down to?Hurray! He actually listened! 🎉👍 Lame! Unless, you work for Joe? :)
@@justinstuart8382 He has gotten really good; with most guests it will be more of a banter or discussion, but in this case he really just sat back and let Roger have a completely uninterrupted space to relate his experience with Sid. For most of us who have been listening to the band since forever this is the first time we had a chance to get the full story on Sid beyond the overview of drugs and mental illness. We have been waiting for this for decades, and it could not have delivered in a better fashion.
@@FlyGuy2000 I hear you but I already knew everything Roger said by reading all their biographies over the years. Nearly every Christmas my Wife would buy me a Pink Floyd book also a lot of the Music magazines often do Pink Floyd editions and I have all of them.
This is a tragic, but relatable story. Most of us know somebody that slowly devolved into mental illness. It’s truly heartbreaking and frustrating beyond words.
My sister with bipolar. Went from almost completing a law degree, working a decent job, running a society, to living on the streets and having to put her in a mother and baby home. It seems to me that the abuse she got from her ex bf broke her.
If you think it’s frustrating, you need to revisit your relationship to the person you know who’s experiencing mental health challenges. Frustration is the direct result of unmet expectations. You do the people in your life an incredible injustice by holding them to your expectations, especially people with chronic illnesses. They don’t need that. They need truly unconditional support and acceptance. Anything else tarnishes them, and they would be better off if you left them alone.
I love that when joe asks a question, you don’t hear him talk for minutes. He truly listens to his people instead of trying to be the center of attention
Yeah, he obviously gets it for sure. I just turned off all those so-called interviewers who it’s obviously all about themselves. A lot of them just talk for the sake of hearing their own voice.
Such a sad sad story. "Shine On You Crazy Diamond" took on an entirely new and somber meaning meaning once i found the meaning behind the words. Such a tragic and beautiful song. Roger Waters is so intelligent and well spoken, truly a living legend
@@Heopful this is completely false. Syd wrote and arranged most of the songs (8 out 11) of the first album and the first three singles. The decision to leave Syd behind was very difficult for the band because they knew how difficult it was going to be without the main source of creativity of the band. This has been told and confirmed by all members of the band. The importance of Syd can’t really be denied.
I grew up in the village Syd lived, he was a sad old soul. Really weird having such a famous person living up the road yet no one (if he came out) treated him like a rockstar, no media or anything like that.. I hope he found peace in the end!
Syd was constantly harassed by unwanted fans and media that went as far as putting a camera in his mailbox. Syd wanted to live a quiet peaceful life and unfortunately was not allowed that opportunity. RIP to a man who has no idea how much of an influence he not only had on music but people as well. We will always love and appreciate you Syd!
@@GRUTTLaw I just had my nans funeral at the church where she lived (Grantchester) a beautiful quaint part of Cambridge.. lovely pubs and some brilliant Syd / Floyd history around :)
Say again. As a teen. I had the luck of being in Washington DC on a school trip. Being let loose in the streets as middle school kids was possible then in groups. ( it happened whether smart idea or not ) and we wandered Into a door in an alley , and were somewhere behind or back stage of one of their concerts. We listened to the entire set , sitting on the floor in a hallway. It was absolutely amazing. Nobody said a word. It was as if we’d been put under a spell.
@@9ckr716 it really was. Even thinking back to that whole trip to DC. It’s crazy what they let us do , alone , compared to now. We each had spending cash we earned by washing cars ( the whole school group ). So the group of boys I was in went to Union station. Up in the mall we found a knife shop , and each bought a weapon. Lol. Me a spyderco folding knife. A buddy bought a “ fantasy dagger “ called the queen of hearts. We did this with zero thought of it being out of bounds. Lol. And then there was the pizza party we threw , trying to lure some Texas girls to our room. Lol. It was a national history day competition…. So kids from all over the country were in town for the week. Looking back it’s a wonder they didn’t toss us keys to the van and let us drive it too. We were all 12 and 13. Good times.
I could listen to Roger talk all day. Love this man. Truly brilliant artist. Never afraid to say what's on his mind. Hope he sticks around a while longer.
Roger always twisting the story’s unlike Gilmour ....look at different interviews over the years waters changes certain story’s .....gilmout s Floyd end of story
Kudos to Joe Rogan for this interview. I've been a Pink Floyd fan for over 40 years, and this is the most relaxed and forthcoming Roger Waters that I've ever seen
I never comment on anything but I’m sitting on my patio at 4 am pretty buzzed. Husband and son asleep. And I’m listening to this…it’s really one of the most beautiful and insightful interviews I’ve ever heard. What an honor to sit with this man. Cheers
would rather hear Roger B. If that genius woulda lived... golly. David is technically amazing, and Roger W. is fine for making stories. But golly, WWSD today? (What Would Syd Do?) A true "Michelangelo" of music.
It’s terribly sorrowful,when an artist, a creative genius goes too far into the mind and gets ill. You love them and their presence and contribution is a tragic loss for all. RIP Roger/Syd Barrett.
You know, I totally understand what Roger and the band experienced with Syd, my brother suffers from schizophrenia also, and he was perfectly fine up untill his 20s and then suddenly his whole demeanor changed. I was in my teens and didn't quite know how to react, but he had a breakdown and was put away and "treated". He was never the same, he would always say strange things, not related to anything, clearly disjointed from reality. When I was living at home with my parents he got a little better than had another breakdown, personally I feel how he was treated was wrong and the medication he was prescribed did more harm, I digress. I'll never forget the things he did, and the complete insanity that I witnessed, it was so sad, but me and siblings just tried to see the humour and joy out of it all, it was the best way for us to deal with it because some of the stuff he did and said was so outrageous and ridiculous you just can't help but try to find amusement in it. He is better now, but I still feel sad about it all, he will never have his independence, and I'm worried about how he will be after my folks are gone, with no one to look after him. It's a tragic disease, and one he has to live with, and my family too, we will always take care of him, I just wish he was able to live a life free of it, and be able to be independent and be free. Cheers.
Why are all the comments on this video from people saying "oh I know someone who lost their mind too..." WE ALL know someone who's lost their mind. Through drugs or schizophrenia . This is Rogers version of his experience. Everybody hijacking the video to talk about themselves as usual
@Mattie Mclean What's your problem with people speaking of their experiences? so what if this video enabled them to open up a dialogue about stuff that's happened in their lives.
@@pamphletthebeanwolf5901 Whats my problem with people wanting to open up a dialogue about themselves when the video is about somebody's specific story? Because it just show's how "lets all talk about ME!" this generation is. Ego central. Of course if that's wahat people want to do and ithey get pleasure from talking about themselves, who am I to stop them? I couldn't stop them if I wanted to. I don't want to. I am simply making an observation that the world is full of little ego-maniacs that would rather talk about themselves at every given opportunity
@@mattiemclean9882 buddy I'm just relating my own experience, if I met Roger I would tell him the exact same story, if you don't want to hear ok, move on, not a big deal. Maybe you don't know this, but everyone has their own experiences in life, I'm not taking anything away from Roger Waters and his own experiences with Syd. I'm sorry but this is just how conversing transpires... It has nothing to do with ego, I am merely conversing and engaging people.
Great interview with Roger on Syd. A real insight on what really happened. Of all the documentaries and interviews over the past 50+ years on Syd this 8 minutes is pure gold. That nugget in LA he mentioned was so insightful. And as he said, they were so young. Thanks Roger.
Since he went dipshit about covid and moved to Texas I've watched like a handful. Snowden was he on again? And maybe like Tim Dillon or Duncan Trussell and Bill Burr. That is like it.
This is a sad, tragic story. The loss of Syd's talent imprinted the band and those of us who were fans from the beginning. Heartfelt thanks to Roger Waters for bravely sharing his feelings.
Yeah, even Gilmour has said . “it’s not a romantic story, it’s sad…. Now it’s over” (upon Syds death) People wanna romanticize and glorify the poor guys dementia, and it’s not cool, it’s really fucking sad, and a cautionary tale to all
@Gf Vfg i accidentally left part of that assertion off, my original statement is somewhere else in these comments, I alluded to the idea that drug’s indubitably enhanced his mental breakdown, and I feel any young folks contemplating using them should be cautious; that’s all.
I have similiar/same condition as Syd had (schizophrenia/schizaffective disorder) . From my perspective I think it is important to remember him in his prime and the music he gave us in that time he was healthy. I can relate to his story as I feel more and more distanced from real life as I age, since the condition worsens over time and It's scary to even think about the fact that you passed your prime, but Syd was responsible for kick starting Pink Floyd and always will be.
Hopefully you too have a friend that will right about your struggles and how it effects THEM and make 300 million dollars and doesn’t give you a cent of it. Roger is a narcissist and user. It was Gilmore who went to the record label every month to make sure Syd was being fairly compensated and his royalties were being paid to him.
I watched my Mother have a nervous breakdown once, and seemingly go crazy when I was about 18. She rambled on incoherently and talked about things that made no sense at all. Although I didn't know it at the time, it was precipitated by the abuse she was receiving from her then boyfriend. It's a really scary thing to watch someone you love and care about lose their mind.
Any mentally debilitating disease that ends in a total change in personality then death is utterly devastating to helplessly watch. Happened to a good friend but not a family member that's horrible. If that happened to my mom I probably would've offed myself or came close especially at 18.
Cheers to Roger for going over this again for a millionth time. It's sad about Syd and you can tell he still is hurt by it. It's like losing a best friend but who was still alive for decades you could not talk to.
Syd is Rock's Lane Frost. It doesn't matter how many times you've heard the story, it's still just as tragic and saddening as the first time and, always gives you just a little more respect.
Its beautiful to hear Roger Waters, amazing stories and what a life he has had and his contribution to music has just been huge, he is a musicians musician
Incredible life, if you think about it he toured with Hendrix, made some of the greatest songs/albums of all time, used his voice to stand up for things, met incredible people who are no longer around today but are considered icons .. an amazing life for sure
After watching this on Spotify I was reminded once again why Joe Rogan has the best podcast and that's because he lets his guests speak and doesn't interrupt or cut them off. So cool to listen to Roger Waters speak for almost 3 hours. I bet this was a breath of fresh air considering his sit down with cnn and that rolling stone guy.
@@Publius_EnigmaUmmm…you can’t “fry” your brain from LSD. People don’t just take LSD or acid then proceed to go off the deep end like he did. It goes a lot deeper than that. His story is genuinely just so sad. It also wasn’t his fault, people can’t control whether they develop a mental illness or not..
@@Publius_Enigma that's rude, nobody knew what the effects of long term use was back in those days and it was of belief that if you had a bad trip you could straighten yourself back out by the next time being a pleasant experience but he kept having bad ones. Everyone's chemistry and reaction varies, Jim Morrison didn't go wacky, Ken Kesey didn't go wacky and I'm sure Syd didn't take more than a lot of notable people did in the 60s. I suspect you don't have much sympathy for anyone period. and btw how the eff would you know that illness didn't play a factor? David believed so, and you surely don't have a better understanding of Syd than David. You probably never came within 50 miles of Syd and you're gonna pretend that you know enough about him to diagnose him? That does make sense though, folks that think they know what they are in reality clueless about don't have any respect for others
I knew a guy in high school that was so bright, energetic, popular. He was a couple grades above me and wasn’t a friend just an acquaintance. One day he flipped out, was acting erratically, can’t remember all the details but our principal had to get him out of the restroom and walked him to the ambulance. From then on he was never the same. This happy handsome guy turned into an overweight semi-coherent different person with glazed eyes. The story was he had taken acid and other drugs. His mind just broke. It was very sad. Wherever you are Brian, you’re not forgotten.
I've done acid several dozen times and it never did anything than make me a better human being, as it does for most people. I was on a military track - Air Force ROTC - and after I did acid, I got an art history degree and have done volunteer work with wildlife rescues for several decades now. I agree it's not for everyone but for most it changes them for the better.
I've done Acid a handful of times and seen both the freaky , fun "trip" side but Also the demonic , flip-out side of it - You dont want to mess around with this powerful chemical. At the end of the day , shits being concocted by who knows . It's not organic
Piper at the Gates of Dawn is the PF album I listen to the most, by a long shot. I just can't get passed it. Its so damned magical and beautiful and unique. It breaks my heart that Syd couldn't make the whole journey, just to see what we could have had. They went on to do great things, but something was always missing after he went. It was a different band. It must have been harrowing and painful to press on without him.
Have you ever heard Tool? I'm curious what hardcore pink floyd fans think of the supposed pink floyd of my generation, BTW, I'm a big pink floyd fan as well, I got into them before I got into tool but now tool is my favorite band
I've got a friend that's been diagnosed with schizophrenia after many years of meth use. He's no longer using, but the damage has been done. Seeing someone slowly get more and more disconnected from the world around them is a profoundly sad thing to watch. These people are literally in their own little world, they are truly alone.
Yes they can get it from drug use ,but it can also happen to people who do not take drugs, it can run in family history ,my daughter was diagnosed with early onset and her mother had schizophrenia too , now she is on zyprexa and a mood stabilizer, she never took LSD.
that own little world is for the person itself not that bad, i have it through lsd usage, i try to cope with it. But feeling comfortable at my own. If you done lsd on a regular day base, you know what i mean, the visuals are gone then, but your mind stays open af. seeing everything around you. Its hard to explain. i stil see people in a trippy way, and its almost 8 years now after my last drop, syd just gone too far thats al.
Sometimes it's the only place they feel safe from the wickedness in the world we are beautiful people but we break with heavy handedness and we can't be around around people who behave like that.
You made me listen to it again, 50 years after I heard it first time. And I can't thank you less. I felt more disgusted than then. I find his work as an expression of antitalent willing to succeed in music. Kind of Frank Zappa style bullshitter that is nothing but sound pollution. That's how much about Sid Barrett. And about Waters: After he made that stupid Wall, he should shut up and never say anything any more.
from the first half of this video im getting the vibe (from the way roger explains it anyways) that another part of Syd detaching from the band was because his expectations of the rockstar life was absolutely not what he expected, and upon realizing how mechanical and gross it is he wanted out of the commercialized and industry parts of it? i do think that would hold a lot of logical sense if so, since some people just are not equipped to handle fame/stardom, especially given syd's situation already.
Yes I have always thought that, I think it was a combination of things, (I believe) rather then a simplistic answer Rodger is given.You need to take in to account the pyhchological , emotional & health factors in to concideration. Betral is hard to deal with & every thing else happening around the same time frame. If you listen to Syyd's album there is a track whereby he say's that ' it's awfully nice of you to consider me to be here, when you don't think i'm here '. Some of his tracks just have these lines that say's it all really.
People also really didn't like Pink Floyd (the skinheads hated them) so he likey didn't want to be a pop star. Some people physically can't fold for money.
In 2020 during Covid I had nothing to do so I got basically got high and went on the most epic musical journey. I listened to music from each decade, one decade per week, which lead me to research all of the lore that comes with music. I went so far down the Syd Barrett rabbit hole, it’s truly heart breaking. He was like the most good looking, creative and talented guy at the start of the 60s. Not even a decade later he looked like an old man who could barely form a sentence. Must have been harrowing for his band mates. He walked from London to his mums house in Surrey. I will do this walk one day. I really really love his solo work, it’s so raw and emotional.
My opinion of Roger just rose 100% he creates so much drama and his political opinions are polarising. In this interview he tells it as it happened in his experience and his genuine love of his old friend still shows all these years later.
It's really great to hear Roger's retelling of what happened with Syd. His perspective, his stories with those little details help to add colour and deepen our understanding of what he personally went through. He really helps to put us there with him, being reminded of just how young and ill equipped Roger (and the whole band were) to navigate this situation, watching not just a band member and creative force, but a friend deteriorate and become a completely different person he could no longer communicate with. The story of Syd is a terrible tragedy that highlights not just the dangers of substance abuse, the immense difficulty of mental illness and how ill equipped most people are to deal with it even to this day. But it also highlights the confusion and terrible sense of loss experienced by those who have witnessed someone close to them slipping away, and the helplessness of not knowing what to do. 😞
You can tell that Roger is truly an artist with the way he talks about not just his own art but the art of others including some of his closest friends like Syd’s and talks about it in a way that he knows he couldn’t write or make the art the same way others he loves could (Syd in this case) and point out the unique aspects of their art and writing style
I’m convinced you never get over things that happen in the prime of ones life. Time doesn’t really heal either, having lost two friends to madness from drugs it can’t be retrieved
@@MrBigblue7 Were that the case there’s absolutely nothing he could of done to help save Syd in any case. There’s an interview of Syd worth listening to that shows he was incapable of answering basic questions
Piper at the Gates of Dawn is a one time, one of a kind masterpiece that lives in my mind forever. When Roger sang those few verses from "Bike" , my eyes got moist. RIP Roger "Syd" Barrett.
This is actually the most humanized and ego-less recounting of Syd's time in the band from Roger that I've ever seen. He seems truly sad about it and completely honest about how scared he was that his songwriter and band-leader had been lost to a severe mental health struggle. Today, I think someone like Syd, especially a successful rock star with some financial resources and a label interested in keeping him healthy, would get the help he needed, but back then it was different. So very tragic. In an alternate timeline, Syd gets help, thrives more in a quiet life and continues to write songs at home for the Gilmour Floyd to perform for the world.
The band, individually and together, tried really hard to get Syd some help, took him on holiday to rest, brought in Gilmour to cover his parts when Syd would stop playing onstage- they attempted just about any intervention they could think of before cutting Syd loose. It's also important to remember that these guys were in their late teens/early twenties and people really didn't talk about mental illness back then. I feel like Waters and Co. are pretty much blameless given the circumstances.
@@chrispraz877 I've seen him say in an interview, when the Syd question inevitably came up, "I've already said everything I have to say about this..." Think it was back in the 80's?
Pink Floyd was never the same after Syd Barrett was gone. "Piper At The Gates of Dawn" is forever my favorite album by them and possibly the best psychedelic album of the 1960s. Roger Waters is right, Syd had a quirkiness about his writing that nobody else has had since (Robyn Hitchcock comes close, though). I also really love Syd Barrett's guitar playing, which is very punk rock in its own way. It's good to see Roger Waters talk so openly about his friend and bandmate.
Thank the Gods that Roger took the mantle of the lead songwriter, so many amazing songs and albums from Meddle to The Wall, easily in the top 5 greatest bands ever.
Pink Floyd are the greatest band to ever do it. It’s the restraint that makes them amazing. You knew David could out shred anyone on guitar etc but it’s that holding back that makes it so good. Perfect music and I wish I was born 10 years earlier to see them live
That must have been so hard for Roger to be told by Syd's family not to visit him. They weren't just band mates or colleagues in that way, they were close childhood friends and as Roger says he loved Syd. Must have been heartbreaking, the whole thing.
As amazing as it is to hear Roger so relaxed, so willing to discuss his life and career so loosely for hours, it's a testament to how far Rogan has come as an interviewer. Roger can be snippy and almost rude to some interviewers but with Joe, it was like they've known eachother a lifetime. Truly an exceptional and amazing interview. This is why podcasting matters so much and this is why Rogan deserved that $200 million dollar contract with Spotify.
Losing a close friend in your formative years is never easy. Whether it is death or mental illness their pains stay with you for a long time. I have been through it a couple of times and almost 30 years later it still affects me.
I love that Roger mentioned "Bike" and even quoted the first verse as an illustration of Syd's writing style. That has always been my favorite Barrett era Floyd song. "Quirky" in the best possible way.
To many music fans that was so touched, moved and inspired by Pink Floyd, it was the band, their music, the writing, the contribution from each member that when combined was utterly mind-blowing. Syd Barrett, Roger Waters, David Gilmour, Richard Wright and Nick Mason all of these immensely talented people, but I think we also forget that these guy's worked together while playing, rehearsing and lived together on the road for such a long time. This would strain any relationship or friendship and more so when you have such talented individuals contributing in their own way, but in the end, it all had to mesh into a great album. It's amazing they lasted together bas long as they did. I'm sure things were said or done that one wishes he could take back. After all, their humans. Very musically talented humans I might add. Love them all and their music.
LOL Do any of you remember the Gilmour vs Waters (or pink Floyd vs Waters) people? When that whole Civil Court stuff between them was going on there were some of the most EXASPERATING PEOPLE who were either Roger Waters Diehards or Pink Floyd Diehards. They used to analyze David Gilmour's lyrics and/or Roger Water's lyrics to be about this or that (I'm sure some of them were but it got stupid with those fans). My God I hated those people, one side would discredit a song by Gilmour like "Learning to fly" (an AWESOME FKN song!!) then the other would shyte all over the Water's first solo (it WAS ALSO AWESOME but I can't remember what it's called, it was very "concept" album-ish).....Anyway, they used to pop up all over the place in musical circles.
I was at his concert recently.. where he speaks about Syd.. and that very incident.. Syd goes "people".. hits you hard.. and you can hear the pathos in Roger's voice.. needless to say.. Roger's energy is enviable..
Syd was a genius. It's not hyperbole, he truly was on a level and a world all his own. He was really too deep for pop music, but it's another proof of his genius that his songs were also accessible and fun. "See Emily Play" is a song that once you hear, you will never forget.
Just listened to it for the first time after reading your comment. Thank you. I have never listen to much PF over the years but am loving getting to know their music.
I hope people can appreciate how rare this interview actually is. Roger seems to be so open here, so comfortable compared to any other interview. Very cool to see
Very cool. Now David’s. 😂
Sid was definitely schizophrenic it wasn't LSD that just made it worse
He's told this story many times
There are other and longer interviews with Roger about Syd from years back. While this is a sweet and sincere interview, it isn't the only one.
@@kmando420 yes I hope he gets David on that would be so sweet
i was never a rogan fan or anything but this is kinda incredible how he got roger to come sit there and talk about stuff everyone wanted to hear for the last 50 years
Its joe rogan. He can get literally anyone he wants on the show with enough nuging.
The reason you find this incredible is because you are not a fan of rogan!! Don't be surprised!! Joe is amazing
@@kevingumfory whatever you say kevin🚶♂️
@@kevingumfory welcome to 21st century
youre missing out on INCREDIBLE episodes man. Rogan is a beast interviewer
“And I _do_ wish he was here.” Heartbreaking. 😢
Does ole loveable Rog feel that way bout Rick, who he fired from the band?
@@PaulFormentos I repeat my post from above: Rick Wright has never said a bad word about Roger. Instead he admits he was struggling with drugs and depression at the time that Roger was coming down hard on him. Roger's actions at that time may seem harsh to us as outsiders, but it seems that within the dynamics of a world-famous band with all the professional pressures that come with that, they were probably justified.
He wished so much that he, or any of the band members, never went to see him.
@@mci6830 Syd didn't want any visitors.
@@mci6830 they never went to see him because Syd wouldn't have enjoyed seeing the band again, as well as the fact that his family outright asked them to not visit him out of the blue or even attend his funeral, he wanted complete privacy
No matter how many stories Roger shares about Syd, it's always so clear how much he meant to him, and how much he still means to him
Does Richard matter to ole rog now?
Syd took my strawberries.
Roger has daddy issues, as his father died in war when he was 5 months old.
That’s why syds departure effected him so much, and why he constantly had issues with David Gilmore.
No, Roger thought Syd was an annoying jerk, but he can't say it because all the fans who idolize this schizoid will turn against him.
@@PaulFormentos of course, I’m sure he realizes just how much he contributed and Rick certainly did
Joe makes his guests feel more comfortable than 95% of his peers. Roger was so incredibly open discussing his mate Syd. Hadn’t seen that degree of honesty before. Well done Joe.
I don’t think and old guy that’s been sucked off by half of England needs anyone to make him feel comfortable
Did he say Syd is a torture victim and is slandered?
Comfortably numb?
As much as I disagree with Joe's take on things at times, he's an incredible host and it's why his podcast has become the biggest in the world. He allows his guests to talk and asks good questions. Shit people WANT to know, not surface level bullshit everyone knows already.
Sure......his "mate" Syd.......just about every album has a negative spin on his mental health....." The lunatic is on the grass".....Pink Floyd made millions writing about "their mates" mental health........🐂💩
Syd Barrett is one of those figures in rock history that is hard not to get fascinated by, there's something very mythical about him and the music he made still sounds great now.
Roger's description of Syd's writing style as "traditional English romantic" is a spot-on description I don't recall hearing from anyone else. Yes, Syd Barrett's Pink Floyd was a leading influence in the psychedelic and experimental music scenes, but Syd's songs also had a whimsical way about them, at least vocally and lyrically, that brilliantly countered the instrumentation.
could you imagine if he had livid and started his own career long enough to link up with Brian Jones after 68? Brian jones wanted to start a early super group with Keith moon along, & John Lennon
The mystique around Sydney only has as much gravity as it does because of what Pink Floyd became...the mystique is retrospective in that Pink Floyd has always been shrouded in a veil of darkened sensibilities, which we all recognize from our own souls.
@@allhopeabandon7831 Wha?
Could be a Great Band Syd and Brian
My son developed schizophrenia last October. This hits close to home for me. It's been a roller coaster ride. His delusions are very religious and he self harms himself. He cut his toe off during his first break. He was at school in LA during the time. He's a Math major at UCLA and is a pretty smart young man. He was taking Masters courses in Math at 17. It's been really tough to see him not in his right mind over the last year, but there is good news. He suffered a pretty traumatic break in August, but after his last visit to a facility, it seems they adjusted his medication right and he is now getting an injection. He's been his normal self and is back to doing his studies. UCLA has been amazingly understanding of his situation. His GPA looks like it won't be tarnished and he's in the process of making up a few of his classes online. We are hopeful for the future. This is such a tragic condition.
I wish for you strength and unity in this very difficult lifelong situation. All the best to your son also. Thank you for sharing this
I’m sorry about your son, this sounds like my friend, he’s very smart like your son and self harms. His delusions aren’t religious though. His are more like people are looking at him, talking about him or out to get him in some way
I have the same story. My son also developed schizophrenia in his late teens. It was a very traumatic time.
But he never gave up trying and moving forward. He finished university, got married and has a wonderful, successful life.
Your son sounds a lot like me. I was big into math and physics for awhile, but I couldn't finish because I just haven't been able to get my life together. Lately I've been doing better. If he's anything like me he'll be better when he hits 30 and if he consistently takes his medication. But when I watched this video I almost cried because when he described how Syd Barrett hates interacting with people before his break that is something I deal with too.
I wish the best for your son and your family. I hope this isn't taken amiss, but in addition to the medications, I wonder if he'd also like to consider treating it from a perspective of gut disbiosis? I'm not discounting the benefits of medication. Just thinking it could be another angle of treatment to look into, as well. Some families seem to think it has helped them a lot.
Im 25. I just went down a rabbit hole of Pink Floyd. Man, there is so much to this than I ever knew. All of it. From Rodger’s dad, to the origins of the name of their band, to Syd. So much respect. Truly one of the greatest bands of all time.
It's interesting to me, how did you find them? Or what was it that hit you?
@@sambbk7203 I’ve always known about Pink Floyd! My mom listened to them a lot when I was growing up. It wasn’t until recently I wanted to discover how they became a band and everything
Yeah I wasn't around when they were massively popular and my school mates were into pop-punk. I knew of them.
I think it was weirdly a print interview with marilyn manson written in 1994 that i saw on the internet talking about his influences and then one day I listened to 'interstellar overdrive' sitting on a park bench. Went.... woah.
Of course pink floyd live at pompeii playing to an audience of ghosts also a special moment.
It made the kids at school carrying on about green day seem a little bit silly. But, not that i hated them for it.@@KxoxoG59
Oh and careful with that axe eugene did it for me@@KxoxoG59
And 'dogs' the last bit of dogs made me weep. I'm not ashamed to say. Not boo hoo crying, just eye fluid running as everything collapses in@@KxoxoG59
You reached for the secret too soon, you cried to the moon. Shine on you crazy diamond.
Fantastic song, the intro is sooooo perfect.
People forget how heartbreaking it must have been for all members of the band to have a front row seat for what happened to Syd.
Yeah you can really tell whenever Gilmour is asked about Syd. It’s the only topic that immediately upsets him to bring up, and he gets, for a guy whose own wife describes as only really ever showing emotion through song, pretty clearly sad and almost angry that he’s being asked to comment on it. Prob bc he and Syd were friends before Floyd, learned guitar together, busied around France together, long before ultimately getting the difficult job of replace him in his own band. I can’t even imagine. To his credit, he insisted on including Syd’s songs on later live albums and compilations later on, to ensure he’d get some royalties and have some income, even though he was discouraged from visiting like Rog mentions. Man what a sad extinguishing of one incredibly bright flame.
@@Spuzzmacher David Gilmour said that he never sings "wish you were here" without thinking of Syd
@mneisbaar Huh? I've been listening to Pink Floyd nearly every day since I first heard them. That has nothing to do with the fact that we weren't there with them when they were young and wouldn't know how heartbreaking losing Syd was.
No they don't.
I had a good mate who went strange. It was hard to take because prior to this he was lif and sould and his humour was second to none.
A few months down the line my wife told me he had committed suicide. It shattered both of us. A horrible time that visits me a few time a year.
Syd Barretts solo records are freakin super cool. He was extremely talented.
theres nothing like those
I love both phases till The Wall. Syd Barrett stuff is not for everyone. Could be a bit odd but special. Thats why the band loved him so much. Thats why the love for him is still growing
@@theWARMJET well said, bro. It took me a couple listens. Listened to most if not all his stuff, and I love it so much. But absolutely not for everyone
@@holier-than-thou tf is wrong with you
@@holier-than-thoufr his albums are garbage lol
One of the longest stretches of silence I’ve ever witnessed from Joe. He just let this man talk about his friend. He really is a very good interviewer.
You know there are certain questions I would ask that don't get asked...almost ever..or ever
I'm so glad we still have Roger and that he's still lucid and can remember things in such detail after all these years. True living legend.
Remember? Did he say Syd is slandered while being tortured?
We still have David too
@@doctorfeinstone6524 he’s not as political. Which in some ways is kind of nice
yeah and at the same time he promotes russian propaganda and supports the russian invasion in ukraine saying the west forced putin's hand and nato is to blame.
@@cFull_Rtrd He in no way supports the russian invasion of Ukraine. He sent Putin a fucking letter asking him to stop for christ sake. Did you even listen to anything he said in the episode?
You can hear the pain in Roger’s voice while talking about Syd. It’s truly tragic how Syd lost his mind. People don’t take mental health serious enough. We should check up on our friends and family more often, before it’s too late. Time is not our friend.
It also doesnt help to drop huge amounts of acid
We should, but people won't. In general human beings don't really care about each other.
He didn't lose his mind, he just didn't want to be a famous rock star and people can't comprehend why anybody wouldn't want to be rich and famous.
@@Ian.420 that’s not true at all. He literally had schizophrenia. Therefore making him unable to perform live. Also medicine for the mentally ill wasn’t as advanced as it is today, so treatments for schizo-affective disorders weren’t as efficient. He had no choice but to live a quiet lonely life.
Time is our gift, our most sacred gifts.
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As someone who has watched thier own brother deteriorate into schizophrenia, this hits very close to home. Love you Kent.
Same here. Drugs unfortunately took my brothers mind. The recovery rate is so poor for schizophrenia, the future looks so dim without him here as he once was. My love to you and your family
Took mine too.
@@davies010 the science is that drugs just make schizophrenic symptoms express themselves earlier in life than they would have without them. Chances are your brother was always going to be schizophrenic. There is no real "recovery" from it... you just figure out how to manage it. Most people who suffer from it seem to get better at controlling their episodes as they get older and accept their mental disorder (it took my brother about 16 years to finally understand and respect his condition). There is no "cure" though... it's not that kind of disease. Stopping drugs certainly makes the symptoms better though - my brother is a mess on drugs. They're basically fuel on the fire. You can get what you call "drug induced psychosis" which is a little different and you can recover from that. The symptoms are very similar.
Mine too. So heartbreaking. I became a psych nurse because of it.
Can you guys tell me some of the early signs?
I grew up listening to PF and Piper at the Gates of Dawn was always my favourite LP, and many years later when I used to work for a pharmacy chain, I was visiting an outlet in Cherry Hinton Road, in Cambridge, when a staff member said to me "Do you know who Syd Barret is?". I said "Of course - he was one of my heroes". She pointed to a bald, plump guy waiting for his medicine and said "That's him". I was shocked and very sad seeing this great man looking so down. RIP Syd (Roger).
I lived in Cambridge and saw him several times.
No I have no clue what your name really means but not for nothing I am the reason people put ones and two's at the end of names , I can even break each one down on how it came to be, being that it all actually started separately not all at once like most think and for good reason. I've told it before once atleast.
I'm sorry I had to say this atleast twice I guess? haha.
@@chaosdwellerIs that you, Syd?
@@chaosdwellerplease explain lol
@@chaosdwellerya need to back away from the hallucinagens
Poor Syd, a child in an adult world who could write at will the very essence of British quirkiness. Inventor of Space Rock and could paint like a true genius as well. So sad. RIP
I feel the same way about Brian Jones in the Rolling Stones vs. the Stones without him.
how you feelin buddy
🎻 Bullshit.
Rog 🗿
Well said 👏
Awe he had a huge love and respect for his friend. And to slowly watch him go crazy and never bounce back must have been a horrible experience on so many levels
Right. His friend. Says a lot. We love our friends.
As the guest of Führer Orban in the Führer Castle of Buda, Knight Impotent B. Peterson:
"my message to the Hungarians: Do not rebel against your leader! What your prime minister is trying to do is to restore the metaphysical foundation of the Hungarian race
This is truly sad. The world has gone mad & to think, he is loved so much. People sometimes see & feel too much….love was not enough 😢
According to his family he was fine, I feel like the band just threw him under the bus since he was a drug addict, I don't think he was crazy. He just wanted to live in solitude after getting kicked out
You put it beautifully friend
I love this band. Not many musicians came close to their brilliance. And the ghost of Syd was always there as the energy they needed. RIP Syd and Rick.
Still my favorite music
I am 56
@Grant Archer ?
What bs.
I'm so glad I discovered Pink Floyd in the 90s when they did the 'Pulse' tour. I remember buying the cassette while I was in America in '95 when I was about 20. It had a flashing light on the cassette box on the front. Brilliant live album. I'm just gutted I missed the tour.
Was a time when about all I listened to was Pink Floyd, Alice Cooper (pre-Nightmare) and Deep Purple (Mark II only) in that order.
LSD saved my life, made me confront my selfishness and helped me overcome anger issues, sadly I have heard stories of other folks who couldn’t make it back. Be well everyone and I wish you to have a joyful life.
The crazy thing about the drug is that scientists have only recently started to figure out exactly how it works on the brain.
Other drugs like ecstasy, cocaine, heroin, alcohol etc are really simple in their mechanisms in comparison.
LSD was invented in the 1940’s, but they’re only just figuring it out.
It totally changes how different parts of the brain communicate with each other - like a total re routing of a computer. It can be very dangerous for people who’ve got a fragile disposition.
Pay no attention to the propaganda tales of "not coming back".
As a drug, it is safer than asprin. It is your mind that is the variable in the equation.
I had 1 trip, it was so amazing and healing that I haven't wanted to do it again since. It's not so positive and kind to everyone, and needs to be treated like medicine.
LSD changed my life too. I saw the world in a different way afterwards. So sorry for Syd, he took too much, too often. It broke his brain.
@@cynthiamontoya6369 Not really, you do anything to any level you end up fucked and fried. No LSD doesn't destroy everyone you glamourise the word. alcohol breaks your brain, so does too much weed. And loads of other things. It's just a story of not wanting fame, nothing weird of not wanting to mime on TOTP. You can see a world without wanting to sell out, this is just a tale of the boring ones plodding through and wanting to make as much money as possible like Mick Fleetwood and John McVeigh who used Peter Green's fragile mental state to form a career for themselves saw an opening and used it. But called Peter selfless. No, they just knew he didn't want fame and neither did Barret.
I find it weird and disturbing people looking to end up being the new Phil Collins, selling out totally. Yep, there is an attractive train in vanishing, because all the fools talking about it forever as a what could have been rather than a has been like Dave Gilmour and Roger Waters. I'd love to write an amazing album and vanish, let people say i never had another in me and let others say i was unique etc, it shows the mundane behavior of what Syd say's in the middle of this interview, People! people are problems. It's not weird..
I usually don't watch Joe Rogan but I have to thank him for this interview. Roger Waters was comfortable to talk about Syd and revealed so much about all that happened, I always wondered how the rest of PF lived that "breaking point" in the band, how it was to see Syd change right in front of them. And here it is, Roger telling the story like he was talking to a friend. Thank you Joe Rogan, that interview answered so many questions I had in the back of my head.
Im curious why you don't watch Rogan? He has other fascinating interviews with musicians. His taming of David Lee Roth in his first interview with DLR was amazing. You can literally see Joe break down Dave in real time. He methodically brings him back to earth, strips down the Diamond Dave persona and Dave really opens up about everything. Even if you're not a Van Halen fan, to watch Joe go from podcasting with his buddies and talking shit to Joe become a master conversationalist with someone like Roth who is a handful to interview, is truly a fucking wonder! I highly recommend that interview and his interview with Sturgill Simpson.
I love how Roger talked as if he was some measly backup option songwriter for Syd. Waters is one of the greatest rock composers of all time 😂
@@not_the_ATFabsolutely he is, but whereas Syd was able to lead the band to a form of greatness from the start, Roger grew and evolved as a writer over time. He ended up becoming the leader the band in a sense didn’t need: they were strongest when they were at their most equal. However, Roger’s contribution as a writer and particularly as a lyricist steered Pink Floyd to the preeminence that they enjoy to this day. Nothing can detract from what he helped them achieve, but the magic of the band is that the whole remains greater than the sum of the parts. Something that remained the case when Gilmour became the leader the band did need following the departure of Waters.
@@SGTSplifferwe do need education and the lyrics are actually: we don't need "your" education. 😊
Id never watched many podcasts , i did t in all honesty even know what they were , now im subbed to hundreds of em ,get rid of TV chat shows i say n put these on
You can feel the loss just by seeing Roger talk about Syd. The Diamond will not be forgotten.
As someone who has seen the symptoms of schizophrenia in friends and a family member, and who has some potential to have psychosis himself... I think i relate to his dilemma, i think Syd was only ever interested in making the art for arts sake, as soon as you add pressure like money and fame, you start feeling like something is dying and want to evacuate yourself from it (mentally and physically). I think in the early stages Syd was more aware of what the trajectory was, he could see it happening around him and couldn't embrace living in the moment and just enjoying the ride they were going on. He was seeing all these record and studio execs, he was watching his friends change, he couldn't handle it, he felt like an imposter which just compounded his stress.
I believe had he stayed off the drugs and been treated for the schizophrenia he would of had a chance!
Especially the latter...
@@paulmor2023 treated for schizophrenia in the 1960s? lol
@@paulmor2023chance for what? He didn't want to further take a part in the band that was commercialized and politicized. If he was crazy then he wouldn't be able to function fine living alone until he died.
maybe
I had a good friend who has schizophrenia and I was hanging out with him daily and I watched him go from a normal guy to someone who was completely out of his mind. He eventually got diagnosed with it and put on medication for it but he started using other drugs heavily and stopped taking his medicine and turned into someone who actually scared the hell out of me. It's the very reason I had to stop hanging around with him. But I'll never forget some of his crazy incoherent ramblings. I truly feel sorry for anyone suffering from that tragic disease. It's god awful in every way imaginable.
I had a friend who was exactly the same. He was my best friend I met him at school when I was 12. Because of him I met and married my Wife and we've had 2 boys of our own. Breaks my heart but he's now in a home and being looked after at the age of 46.
My nephew had an outbreak and killed someone who came in his house (self defense) but after shooting him it messed him up and went insane doing other things to the body and he got locked up for 2nd degree murder only to find out he has schizophrenia. He's currently awaiting trial
I had a cousin who this happened to, but it was like a clean break with reality. He went from the person I knew to having to be institutionalized and relearn verbal communication over the course of a few days. And he was using drugs at the time. I think that psychedelics and even something as seemingly benign as pot can cause latent schizophrenia to manifest.
@@teddyjackson1902 No drugs exist as horrible as shrink dope.
@@johnoneal1234 do you mean Paxil or Depakote? I couldn't function in our world without my meds. You don't have a clue what you are talking about
Refreshing to see an interviewer actually let someone tell a story without interrupting them. Too many times I see this happen, and it was great to see Joe sit back and let Roger tell his story. Shows amazing respect. Hearing Roger talk about his dear friend Syd was heartbreaking. Must have been so hard seeing someone you cared so much about spiral down knowing there’s nothing you can do to stop it. Great interview.
Dude it’s really not complicated to let roger waters talk about his fading friend and not interrupt come onnn 🙄
Joe is great at what he does. Smart questions. Great responses. Great feel for interesting conversation
Joe doesnt do interviews. They are discussions and just shooting the shit which i love.
@@HeyhitmeBAM I was talking about interviews in general. If Howard Stern or Howie were doing this, Roger wouldn’t have got a word in.
Rogan isn't always this good. Thankfully for Roger Waters he did it right
I remember reading about the band's background and how Roger Waters said that Syd Barrett was one of the only people in school who made an effort to befriend him. It's clear that even to this day Barrett still holds a special place in Waters's mind.
@@oscarleedefur what happened then?
@@ColinMcDonaldGrant The general theory is that Syd didnt want fame, he didnt want money, he just wanted to play guitar and be an artist. If he didnt get kicked out the band Pink Floyd would have been like the grateful dead, very jam and experimental orientated. This comes from the inteviews of him being displeased with fame and stories of him noodling on stage and also re-tuning his guitar on stage, which is something the grateful dead are notorious for.
Roger, Rick and Nick all wanted fame and fortune, they were all poor students with no career prospects. Psychedelia was also beginning to be blacklisted by some record companies, EMI included, which meant they needed to shed some of their psychedelic sounds into classic rock, blues and folk sounds. They viewed syd and sabotaging their potential rise to fame and fortune so they stopped picking him up at gigs and replacing him with david gilmour. They still needed songs so they kept in contact with syd for song ideas, this was mostly done under the idea of a 'solo album' that pink floyd produced, until syd caught on to what they were doing and purposefully messed with them, making complex/non-pop songs with weird tripped out lyrics that made absolute no sense, he would also write lyrics that would directly insult the potential singers lack of ability to write songs.
Eventually they severed ties with each other, syd got into a deep depression and kept close with very few people, as he was also burnt by people using him to score drugs and be around him because he was famous. As the bands popularity grew, he withdrew more and more.
But this is obviously the folk tale in syd barrett circles, none of us were there but it kind of makes sense.
@@oscarleedefur Thankyou. Have to say Waters sounded frankly callous and indifferent in this interview, I didnt buy his sensitive act, it was more "listen to me with baited breath". He obviously no longer felt anything about Syd. Ive known people who have met with these guys - to say they are unpleasant is an understatement.
@@oscarleedefur this is such a ridiculous take, have you listened to any of David Gilmour's music without Waters? It's nowhere near what Floyd was, Dave couldn't write a lyric to save his life. And Syd didn't shave his hair off and live in an attic for 40 years because of a business decision in a band.
@@Millylerks I see what you're trying to say, but a large chunk of your reasoning is off-base. There wasn't any 'hidden' solo album agenda by the band to milk songs off Syd. The band kicked Syd out in January of '68 after he proved to be unworkable for several months (from Sept-Dec 67') and it wasn't officially announced until April of 68'. In late 67' he started missing concerts, and when he DID show up he was going catatonic on-stage, or deliberately detuning his guitar on-stage, and the few songs he brought to the table were fragmented and the label refused to promote them cause they were simply too 'out there'. The American tour in Nov 67 prior was especially a disaster cause Syd by that point was in a mental free-fall, so after several months of this the band ended up in an unworkable situation and had no choice but to go with Gilmour. This only happened after a handful of shows where they tried having BOTH of them in the band, but Syd once again became undependable. It's not like the band didn't give him a chance, but they could see that they had no way forward with Syd in the band. Regarding the Solo LPS, EMI records only took an interest in Syd because Blackhill management STAYED with him and they regarded him as the resident 'genius' of the band. In 69' Waters & Gilmour both had heard Syd was in trouble with the Solo albums (and was dragging out the recordings at Abbey Road) and they made every attempt to help him record the albums (Rick Wright as well). As erratic as the 2 solo albums are, some of the songs are arguably brilliant and arguably BETTER then Pink Floyd at the time. It's a tragic tale but it's not quite as 'agenda' filled as you think it is. The band did what they did to survive.
Syd is the most enigmatic legend.
An amazing songwriter.
Him showing up at the studio during Wish you were here is the coolest story in music ever.
Rest well Syd.
Also this was just incredible to hear.
I think Anton from Brian Jones Massacre tried to be like Syd.
It is not the coolest story. There is nothing cool about that story at all. It is heartbreaking.
what is cool about Syd rocking up n '75... fat, bald, brushing his teeth with no one recognising him? then Rick & Roger bursting into tears when they recognised who it was?
@@coldacre Holding the toothbrush in his mouth and jumping up and down rather than moving his wrist. Heartbreaking story. I agree - nothing cool about it.
the saddest story probably
This is absolutely amazing, kudos to Joe for sitting back and giving Roger all the space he needed to relate this to us.
No doubt, this is the place to go for an interview, I mean, if you want to hear the subject themselves. If you want a self-conscious interviewer, noisy circus atmosphere and sheer metric tons of artificial nervous laughter from a rabid studio audience, hit the late night jimmys.
Wow! I think that is a strangest “kudos” I’ve ever heard. For listening the guest tell interesting story! Really? That’s what we really came down to?Hurray! He actually listened! 🎉👍 Lame! Unless, you work for Joe? :)
Yeah isn't Joe just such an amazing patient interviewer.
@@justinstuart8382 He has gotten really good; with most guests it will be more of a banter or discussion, but in this case he really just sat back and let Roger have a completely uninterrupted space to relate his experience with Sid. For most of us who have been listening to the band since forever this is the first time we had a chance to get the full story on Sid beyond the overview of drugs and mental illness. We have been waiting for this for decades, and it could not have delivered in a better fashion.
@@FlyGuy2000 I hear you but I already knew everything Roger said by reading all their biographies over the years. Nearly every Christmas my Wife would buy me a Pink Floyd book also a lot of the Music magazines often do Pink Floyd editions and I have all of them.
This is a tragic, but relatable story. Most of us know somebody that slowly devolved into mental illness. It’s truly heartbreaking and frustrating beyond words.
My sister with bipolar. Went from almost completing a law degree, working a decent job, running a society, to living on the streets and having to put her in a mother and baby home. It seems to me that the abuse she got from her ex bf broke her.
I don't think most of us do tbh. But absolutely true otherwise.
If you think it’s frustrating, you need to revisit your relationship to the person you know who’s experiencing mental health challenges.
Frustration is the direct result of unmet expectations. You do the people in your life an incredible injustice by holding them to your expectations, especially people with chronic illnesses. They don’t need that.
They need truly unconditional support and acceptance. Anything else tarnishes them, and they would be better off if you left them alone.
@@wheres_wolfie thank you for this insight
They didn't have the anti psychotic meds in the 1960s that they have now, patients just got worse.
I love that when joe asks a question, you don’t hear him talk for minutes. He truly listens to his people instead of trying to be the center of attention
Exactly... that's why he has 20 million listeners everyday. 💗
Yeah, he obviously gets it for sure. I just turned off all those so-called interviewers who it’s obviously all about themselves. A lot of them just talk for the sake of hearing their own voice.
Like Howard Stern, for example. He always talks over his guests.
Definitely... always.. joe just listens 🎉🎉🎉🎉
@@teddybears4life240and makes 100mil a year
Such a sad sad story. "Shine On You Crazy Diamond" took on an entirely new and somber meaning meaning once i found the meaning behind the words. Such a tragic and beautiful song. Roger Waters is so intelligent and well spoken, truly a living legend
I like to think of Syd's incredible achievements. Those songs, the voice, the look, the lyrics - yes an absolute diamond
True but the band got much better when Roger became the creative force and visionary of the band. We got those masterpieces of the 1970's.
@@MrAitraining WAY better.
yeah but syd’s influence on punk rock cannot be overstated and it took several albums before those roger waters masterpieces happened
Syd didn't really do anything in Pink Floyd. There's like one wacky song on the first album
@@Heopful this is completely false. Syd wrote and arranged most of the songs (8 out 11) of the first album and the first three singles. The decision to leave Syd behind was very difficult for the band because they knew how difficult it was going to be without the main source of creativity of the band. This has been told and confirmed by all members of the band.
The importance of Syd can’t really be denied.
I grew up in the village Syd lived, he was a sad old soul. Really weird having such a famous person living up the road yet no one (if he came out) treated him like a rockstar, no media or anything like that.. I hope he found peace in the end!
That’s exactly what he Susie’s-to be left alone. He always considered himself an artist first and being a musician was a side trip for him.
Syd was constantly harassed by unwanted fans and media that went as far as putting a camera in his mailbox. Syd wanted to live a quiet peaceful life and unfortunately was not allowed that opportunity. RIP to a man who has no idea how much of an influence he not only had on music but people as well. We will always love and appreciate you Syd!
@@fattymcjebers he really wasn't, I lived there 18 years!
@@GRUTTLaw I just had my nans funeral at the church where she lived (Grantchester) a beautiful quaint part of Cambridge.. lovely pubs and some brilliant Syd / Floyd history around :)
@@leeallsopp5152 lovely part of Cambridge, the meadows are pleasant in the summer also! Sorry for your loss...
Say again. As a teen. I had the luck of being in Washington DC on a school trip. Being let loose in the streets as middle school kids was possible then in groups. ( it happened whether smart idea or not ) and we wandered Into a door in an alley , and were somewhere behind or back stage of one of their concerts. We listened to the entire set , sitting on the floor in a hallway. It was absolutely amazing. Nobody said a word. It was as if we’d been put under a spell.
Great story. What an experience!
Damn, that is surreal. Sounds like something you'd hear after someone explaining to you "I had the weirdest dream ever last night,".
@@9ckr716 it really was. Even thinking back to that whole trip to DC. It’s crazy what they let us do , alone , compared to now. We each had spending cash we earned by washing cars ( the whole school group ). So the group of boys I was in went to Union station. Up in the mall we found a knife shop , and each bought a weapon. Lol. Me a spyderco folding knife. A buddy bought a “ fantasy dagger “ called the queen of hearts. We did this with zero thought of it being out of bounds. Lol. And then there was the pizza party we threw , trying to lure some Texas girls to our room. Lol. It was a national history day competition…. So kids from all over the country were in town for the week. Looking back it’s a wonder they didn’t toss us keys to the van and let us drive it too. We were all 12 and 13. Good times.
@@puttervids472 😅
say again? say what again
ticking away the moments that make up a dull day
You fritter and waste the hours in an offhand way
kicking around on a piece of ground in your hometown
Waiting for someone or something to show you the way
Tired of lying in the sunshine
Staying home to watch the rain
And you are young and life is long
I could listen to Roger talk all day. Love this man. Truly brilliant artist. Never afraid to say what's on his mind. Hope he sticks around a while longer.
He’s a venom spewing anti-Semite
Roger will always be Pink Floyd!
Between Roger and Dave they seem to bring the genius that was syd over the bridge for everyone to admire yet they seem to leave their own genius alone
@Lost How is he a thief?
Roger always twisting the story’s unlike Gilmour ....look at different interviews over the years waters changes certain story’s .....gilmout s Floyd end of story
Kudos to Joe Rogan for this interview. I've been a Pink Floyd fan for over 40 years, and this is the most relaxed and forthcoming Roger Waters that I've ever seen
Well known fact...joe has all types of pot there for you....joints..edibles... whiskey
Because he doesn’t get political
I never comment on anything but I’m sitting on my patio at 4 am pretty buzzed. Husband and son asleep. And I’m listening to this…it’s really one of the most beautiful and insightful interviews I’ve ever heard. What an honor to sit with this man. Cheers
I thought the same . A great interview from start to finish
Do yourself , your husband , and son a favor . Stop getting "buzzed" . You wont regret that decision.........
I could listen to Roger talk for days at a time. He just speaks to my soul. Nice interview, Joe. ❤❤
would rather hear Roger B. If that genius woulda lived... golly. David is technically amazing, and Roger W. is fine for making stories. But golly, WWSD today? (What Would Syd Do?) A true "Michelangelo" of music.
It’s terribly sorrowful,when an artist, a creative genius goes too far into the mind and gets ill. You love them and their presence and contribution is a tragic loss for all. RIP Roger/Syd Barrett.
Roger isn’t dead?
@@latrodectusmactan2245
Syd’s birth name was actually Roger
@@lynseefus6049 Roger Keith is pretty coincidental.
@@latrodectusmactan2245 Syd's real name was Roger
@@faborwick5887 Roger's real name is George.
You know, I totally understand what Roger and the band experienced with Syd, my brother suffers from schizophrenia also, and he was perfectly fine up untill his 20s and then suddenly his whole demeanor changed. I was in my teens and didn't quite know how to react, but he had a breakdown and was put away and "treated". He was never the same, he would always say strange things, not related to anything, clearly disjointed from reality. When I was living at home with my parents he got a little better than had another breakdown, personally I feel how he was treated was wrong and the medication he was prescribed did more harm, I digress. I'll never forget the things he did, and the complete insanity that I witnessed, it was so sad, but me and siblings just tried to see the humour and joy out of it all, it was the best way for us to deal with it because some of the stuff he did and said was so outrageous and ridiculous you just can't help but try to find amusement in it. He is better now, but I still feel sad about it all, he will never have his independence, and I'm worried about how he will be after my folks are gone, with no one to look after him. It's a tragic disease, and one he has to live with, and my family too, we will always take care of him, I just wish he was able to live a life free of it, and be able to be independent and be free. Cheers.
Why are all the comments on this video from people saying "oh I know someone who lost their mind too..." WE ALL know someone who's lost their mind. Through drugs or schizophrenia . This is Rogers version of his experience. Everybody hijacking the video to talk about themselves as usual
@Mattie Mclean What's your problem with people speaking of their experiences? so what if this video enabled them to open up a dialogue about stuff that's happened in their lives.
@@pamphletthebeanwolf5901 Whats my problem with people wanting to open up a dialogue about themselves when the video is about somebody's specific story? Because it just show's how "lets all talk about ME!" this generation is. Ego central. Of course if that's wahat people want to do and ithey get pleasure from talking about themselves, who am I to stop them? I couldn't stop them if I wanted to. I don't want to. I am simply making an observation that the world is full of little ego-maniacs that would rather talk about themselves at every given opportunity
@Mattie Mclean Oh really, seems more like you're projecting your own insecurities on to other people...
@@mattiemclean9882 buddy I'm just relating my own experience, if I met Roger I would tell him the exact same story, if you don't want to hear ok, move on, not a big deal. Maybe you don't know this, but everyone has their own experiences in life, I'm not taking anything away from Roger Waters and his own experiences with Syd. I'm sorry but this is just how conversing transpires... It has nothing to do with ego, I am merely conversing and engaging people.
When Roger said "I did love him" it almost brought me to tears.
what an editing bossmove.
Weirdos.
Care about the people you actually know
Oh bullshit. Waters only loves himself.
Same…
Pity he hated hated him
Such a sad story. But I'm glad Roger is still here to tell these stories. It really paints a detailed picture of what they went through.
Great interview with Roger on Syd. A real insight on what really happened. Of all the documentaries and interviews over the past 50+ years on Syd this 8 minutes is pure gold. That nugget in LA he mentioned was so insightful. And as he said, they were so young. Thanks Roger.
These interviews are gold. So authentic. So human. No bullshit.
This is like the first time in forever that I've actually wanted to watch a whole episode of JRE.
Since he went dipshit about covid and moved to Texas I've watched like a handful. Snowden was he on again? And maybe like Tim Dillon or Duncan Trussell and Bill Burr. That is like it.
Waters is probably considered right wing by today’s standard.
This is a sad, tragic story. The loss of Syd's talent imprinted the band and those of us who were fans from the beginning. Heartfelt thanks to Roger Waters for bravely sharing his feelings.
Yeah, even Gilmour has said . “it’s not a romantic story, it’s sad…. Now it’s over” (upon Syds death)
People wanna romanticize and glorify the poor guys dementia, and it’s not cool, it’s really fucking sad, and a cautionary tale to all
@Gf Vfg i accidentally left part of that assertion off, my original statement is somewhere else in these comments, I alluded to the idea that drug’s indubitably enhanced his mental breakdown, and I feel any young folks contemplating using them should be cautious; that’s all.
lol, waters said 'its sad' how very brave
@@crieverytim you and the boring hating again
Syd made better albums than Floyd for a few years after he was kicked out.
The whole story is rogers Bullshit
I have similiar/same condition as Syd had (schizophrenia/schizaffective disorder) . From my perspective I think it is important to remember him in his prime and the music he gave us in that time he was healthy. I can relate to his story as I feel more and more distanced from real life as I age, since the condition worsens over time and It's scary to even think about the fact that you passed your prime, but Syd was responsible for kick starting Pink Floyd and always will be.
Drug induced psychosis 👍
Your comment is like time travelling back to the 60s @@Apollyon-sz9sn
Hopefully you too have a friend that will right about your struggles and how it effects THEM and make 300 million dollars and doesn’t give you a cent of it.
Roger is a narcissist and user. It was Gilmore who went to the record label every month to make sure Syd was being fairly compensated and his royalties were being paid to him.
@@JDAfrica Your right fckn amazing how he really is.
What a opportunist prick
I watched my Mother have a nervous breakdown once, and seemingly go crazy when I was about 18. She rambled on incoherently and talked about things that made no sense at all. Although I didn't know it at the time, it was precipitated by the abuse she was receiving from her then boyfriend. It's a really scary thing to watch someone you love and care about lose their mind.
@i warned you McDonald's is the staple diet of certain uncivilized cultures.
Watched my mom die of Alzheimer's over a five year span. It's a legit nightmare. Wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.
@@InsolentMusicalPeasant same here. It's the most brutal disease ever. Wouldn't wish it on nobody.
Any mentally debilitating disease that ends in a total change in personality then death is utterly devastating to helplessly watch. Happened to a good friend but not a family member that's horrible. If that happened to my mom I probably would've offed myself or came close especially at 18.
My condolences Bruce. That's really tough to witness. I've endured similar with my Mom but she recovered, to a degree. Thanks for sharing bro.
Cheers to Roger for going over this again for a millionth time. It's sad about Syd and you can tell he still is hurt by it. It's like losing a best friend but who was still alive for decades you could not talk to.
Syd is Rock's Lane Frost. It doesn't matter how many times you've heard the story, it's still just as tragic and saddening as the first time and, always gives you just a little more respect.
Just watched Roger Waters live. What a legend. Almost cried when they played Shine on You Crazy Diamond
Same here. Lisbon 19/03
I love how Roger references himself as a measley backup option songwriter for Barrett. He's one of the greatest rock composers of all time 😂
Yes that struck me too. Like 'dude, you wrote Dark Side of the Moon' which was on the us album charts for 20 years. 20. years.
@@llewmills6406not mentioning The wall
I absolutely love the wall. The final cut not so much. The wall is an incredible work of art.
Agreed.
@@llewmills6406 Check out Animals, Dark Side of the Moon and Wish You Were Here.
This band shaped my life. Love them more than words can express. Thank you Floyd for the countless nights ive had the pleasure of listening to you.
Its beautiful to hear Roger Waters, amazing stories and what a life he has had and his contribution to music has just been huge, he is a musicians musician
Incredible life, if you think about it he toured with Hendrix, made some of the greatest songs/albums of all time, used his voice to stand up for things, met incredible people who are no longer around today but are considered icons .. an amazing life for sure
Always good to hear Roger talk about Syd. Rest In Peace Piper.
Listed to the Syd Barret album The Madcap Laughs. Incredible album
After watching this on Spotify I was reminded once again why Joe Rogan has the best podcast and that's because he lets his guests speak and doesn't interrupt or cut them off.
So cool to listen to Roger Waters speak for almost 3 hours. I bet this was a breath of fresh air considering his sit down with cnn and that rolling stone guy.
He interrupts people all the time. He’s an arrogant moron.
Unlike Marc Maron.
everyones trying to do a podcast these days its ridiculous, most are rubbish, it takes talent and hardwork to be good at anything
I've been listening to this band my entire life. I'm glad he got Roger on here.
Oh man, my heart goes out to Syd and anybody else who suffers from such an illness.
He’s dead.
@@dewilew2137 lol
@@SMC84601 You can feel sympathy for someone who has passed.
@@Publius_EnigmaUmmm…you can’t “fry” your brain from LSD. People don’t just take LSD or acid then proceed to go off the deep end like he did. It goes a lot deeper than that. His story is genuinely just so sad. It also wasn’t his fault, people can’t control whether they develop a mental illness or not..
@@Publius_Enigma that's rude, nobody knew what the effects of long term use was back in those days and it was of belief that if you had a bad trip you could straighten yourself back out by the next time being a pleasant experience but he kept having bad ones. Everyone's chemistry and reaction varies, Jim Morrison didn't go wacky, Ken Kesey didn't go wacky and I'm sure Syd didn't take more than a lot of notable people did in the 60s. I suspect you don't have much sympathy for anyone period. and btw how the eff would you know that illness didn't play a factor? David believed so, and you surely don't have a better understanding of Syd than David. You probably never came within 50 miles of Syd and you're gonna pretend that you know enough about him to diagnose him? That does make sense though, folks that think they know what they are in reality clueless about don't have any respect for others
Bro the MadCap laughs and the Barrett album were amazing
I knew a guy in high school that was so bright, energetic, popular. He was a couple grades above me and wasn’t a friend just an acquaintance. One day he flipped out, was acting erratically, can’t remember all the details but our principal had to get him out of the restroom and walked him to the ambulance. From then on he was never the same. This happy handsome guy turned into an overweight semi-coherent different person with glazed eyes. The story was he had taken acid and other drugs. His mind just broke. It was very sad. Wherever you are Brian, you’re not forgotten.
Fuck, more reasons to never touch drugs. Hope he’s doing alright now.
@kashkarti not while you're at school. Environment is everything with psychedelics. I also would not advise to anyone under 21.
I've done acid several dozen times and it never did anything than make me a better human being, as it does for most people. I was on a military track - Air Force ROTC - and after I did acid, I got an art history degree and have done volunteer work with wildlife rescues for several decades now. I agree it's not for everyone but for most it changes them for the better.
I've done Acid a handful of times and seen both the freaky , fun "trip" side but Also the demonic , flip-out side of it - You dont want to mess around with this powerful chemical.
At the end of the day , shits being concocted by who knows . It's not organic
@Bono i wouldn't say that. While they are not to be taken lightly, psychedelics have been proven to have very positive effects on the brain
This tugs on my heartstrings. Lovely, sad story. Thank you Joe . . . and Roger for sharing your experience. sigh
Piper at the Gates of Dawn is the PF album I listen to the most, by a long shot. I just can't get passed it. Its so damned magical and beautiful and unique. It breaks my heart that Syd couldn't make the whole journey, just to see what we could have had. They went on to do great things, but something was always missing after he went. It was a different band. It must have been harrowing and painful to press on without him.
the last song on that album with Syd where he says, "What really is a dream, what really is a joke." is so haunting
@@ram76921 that's the song Jugband Blues from the second album
Lucifer sam
Bike
Have you ever heard Tool? I'm curious what hardcore pink floyd fans think of the supposed pink floyd of my generation,
BTW, I'm a big pink floyd fan as well, I got into them before I got into tool but now tool is my favorite band
That may be one of the saddest stories that I have ever heard. Syd's journey into madness and darkness. So sad that he ended up like that.
I've got a friend that's been diagnosed with schizophrenia after many years of meth use. He's no longer using, but the damage has been done. Seeing someone slowly get more and more disconnected from the world around them is a profoundly sad thing to watch. These people are literally in their own little world, they are truly alone.
Yes they can get it from drug use ,but it can also happen to people who do not take drugs, it can run in family history ,my daughter was diagnosed with early onset and her mother had schizophrenia too , now she is on zyprexa and a mood stabilizer, she never took LSD.
that own little world is for the person itself not that bad, i have it through lsd usage, i try to cope with it. But feeling comfortable at my own. If you done lsd on a regular day base, you know what i mean, the visuals are gone then, but your mind stays open af. seeing everything around you. Its hard to explain. i stil see people in a trippy way, and its almost 8 years now after my last drop, syd just gone too far thats al.
Chemicals only exacerbate mental issues, sad to say!
And it’s too bad, because lots of things can only be experienced through them!
Sometimes it's the only place they feel safe from the wickedness in the world we are beautiful people but we break with heavy handedness and we can't be around around people who behave like that.
Syd Barrett was brilliant and The Piper at the Gates of Dawn is a masterpiece
he also helped with songwriting for some songs from saucerful of secrets, im a huge gilmore fan but syd was something else man
Way more psychadelic than anything else they ever did. It’s the truth.
You made me listen to it again, 50 years after I heard it first time. And I can't thank you less. I felt more disgusted than then. I find his work as an expression of antitalent willing to succeed in music. Kind of Frank Zappa style bullshitter that is nothing but sound pollution. That's how much about Sid Barrett. And about Waters: After he made that stupid Wall, he should shut up and never say anything any more.
@@sextempiric7137 well I guess that makes you pretty hot shit.
from the first half of this video im getting the vibe (from the way roger explains it anyways) that another part of Syd detaching from the band was because his expectations of the rockstar life was absolutely not what he expected, and upon realizing how mechanical and gross it is he wanted out of the commercialized and industry parts of it? i do think that would hold a lot of logical sense if so, since some people just are not equipped to handle fame/stardom, especially given syd's situation already.
Yes I have always thought that, I think it was a combination of things, (I believe) rather then a simplistic answer Rodger is given.You need to take in to account the pyhchological , emotional & health factors in to concideration. Betral is hard to deal with & every thing else happening around the same time frame. If you listen to Syyd's album there is a track whereby he say's that ' it's awfully nice of you to consider me to be here, when you don't think i'm here '. Some of his tracks just have these lines that say's it all really.
WELCOME MY SON, TO THE MACHINE!!
Yes, exactly what the 'Wish You Were Here' album was all about
Bc the industry is a dark disgusting place but people aren’t aware or act like they aren’t bc nobody likes the truth.
People also really didn't like Pink Floyd (the skinheads hated them) so he likey didn't want to be a pop star. Some people physically can't fold for money.
In 2020 during Covid I had nothing to do so I got basically got high and went on the most epic musical journey. I listened to music from each decade, one decade per week, which lead me to research all of the lore that comes with music. I went so far down the Syd Barrett rabbit hole, it’s truly heart breaking. He was like the most good looking, creative and talented guy at the start of the 60s. Not even a decade later he looked like an old man who could barely form a sentence. Must have been harrowing for his band mates. He walked from London to his mums house in Surrey. I will do this walk one day. I really really love his solo work, it’s so raw and emotional.
I'm so glad I am alive to have heard this interview. I didn't know how hard it would make me cry.
Courtney Love is to blame.
CIA agent
Amazing..
Lmao
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she killed kurt, they found her practiced forged suicide notes lol
My opinion of Roger just rose 100% he creates so much drama and his political opinions are polarising. In this interview he tells it as it happened in his experience and his genuine love of his old friend still shows all these years later.
Lol polarizing mmm personally I think Waters is a bit Off these days.
RIP Syd Barrett (January 6, 1946 - July 7, 2006), aged 60
You will be remembered as a legend
It's really great to hear Roger's retelling of what happened with Syd. His perspective, his stories with those little details help to add colour and deepen our understanding of what he personally went through. He really helps to put us there with him, being reminded of just how young and ill equipped Roger (and the whole band were) to navigate this situation, watching not just a band member and creative force, but a friend deteriorate and become a completely different person he could no longer communicate with. The story of Syd is a terrible tragedy that highlights not just the dangers of substance abuse, the immense difficulty of mental illness and how ill equipped most people are to deal with it even to this day. But it also highlights the confusion and terrible sense of loss experienced by those who have witnessed someone close to them slipping away, and the helplessness of not knowing what to do. 😞
You can tell that Roger is truly an artist with the way he talks about not just his own art but the art of others including some of his closest friends like Syd’s and talks about it in a way that he knows he couldn’t write or make the art the same way others he loves could (Syd in this case) and point out the unique aspects of their art and writing style
You can see Roger misses and is hurt by what happened to Syd. I wish he was here too Roger 😔
Floyd fan for the last 50 odd years and lovely to see Roger talking about Sid. Wish you were here is simply one of the best albums ever made.
Even to this day, you can hear the pain from Waters over losing his very dear friend. Tragic indeed.
Shut up
Yes especially towards the very end.
I’m convinced you never get over things that happen in the prime of ones life. Time doesn’t really heal either, having lost two friends to madness from drugs it can’t be retrieved
Roger didn't give two sh-ts about Syd. And in this clip it's clear.
@@MrBigblue7 Were that the case there’s absolutely nothing he could of done to help save Syd in any case. There’s an interview of Syd worth listening to that shows he was incapable of answering basic questions
Piper at the Gates of Dawn is a one time, one of a kind masterpiece that lives in my mind forever. When Roger sang those few verses from "Bike" , my eyes got moist. RIP Roger "Syd" Barrett.
This is actually the most humanized and ego-less recounting of Syd's time in the band from Roger that I've ever seen. He seems truly sad about it and completely honest about how scared he was that his songwriter and band-leader had been lost to a severe mental health struggle. Today, I think someone like Syd, especially a successful rock star with some financial resources and a label interested in keeping him healthy, would get the help he needed, but back then it was different. So very tragic. In an alternate timeline, Syd gets help, thrives more in a quiet life and continues to write songs at home for the Gilmour Floyd to perform for the world.
If he got help even earlier still be wouldn't have had his breakdown and would be a member still
The band, individually and together, tried really hard to get Syd some help, took him on holiday to rest, brought in Gilmour to cover his parts when Syd would stop playing onstage- they attempted just about any intervention they could think of before cutting Syd loose. It's also important to remember that these guys were in their late teens/early twenties and people really didn't talk about mental illness back then. I feel like Waters and Co. are pretty much blameless given the circumstances.
I don't know about that my friend Alice in Chains Chicago there's plenty of people that died of drugs without much help
And credit to Roger. Can you imagine the number of times he's had to relive this sad time in interviews.
@@chrispraz877 I've seen him say in an interview, when the Syd question inevitably came up, "I've already said everything I have to say about this..." Think it was back in the 80's?
Pink Floyd was never the same after Syd Barrett was gone. "Piper At The Gates of Dawn" is forever my favorite album by them and possibly the best psychedelic album of the 1960s. Roger Waters is right, Syd had a quirkiness about his writing that nobody else has had since (Robyn Hitchcock comes close, though). I also really love Syd Barrett's guitar playing, which is very punk rock in its own way. It's good to see Roger Waters talk so openly about his friend and bandmate.
Thank the Gods that Roger took the mantle of the lead songwriter, so many amazing songs and albums from Meddle to The Wall, easily in the top 5 greatest bands ever.
Creo in unum Deum.....
Pink Floyd are the greatest band to ever do it. It’s the restraint that makes them amazing. You knew David could out shred anyone on guitar etc but it’s that holding back that makes it so good. Perfect music and I wish I was born 10 years earlier to see them live
Gilmour is such an amazing guitarist. He really saved the band imo.
I totally agree! He's always been my favorite. I was so glad when he continued Pink Floyd after RW
Syd Barret is my all time favorite musician and has inspired my artwork more than almost anybody else.
I need this whole interview, Roger Waters is a universal treasure and I feel like anyone willing to listen would have much to learn
Thank you Roger, thanks for doing what you do and for taking the time to have a close conversation with Joe and us.
Roger lies about the issue with Syd , The problem wasn't Syds mental health , It was Rogers
That must have been so hard for Roger to be told by Syd's family not to visit him. They weren't just band mates or colleagues in that way, they were close childhood friends and as Roger says he loved Syd. Must have been heartbreaking, the whole thing.
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Major respect to David Gilmour
He made sure that Syd recieved his proper royalties until the day he passed.
Yeah I gained a lot of respect for Mr. Gilmour when I learned that
Shine on you crazy diamond... Wish you were here... RIP Syd...
As amazing as it is to hear Roger so relaxed, so willing to discuss his life and career so loosely for hours, it's a testament to how far Rogan has come as an interviewer. Roger can be snippy and almost rude to some interviewers but with Joe, it was like they've known eachother a lifetime. Truly an exceptional and amazing interview. This is why podcasting matters so much and this is why Rogan deserved that $200 million dollar contract with Spotify.
im a big Pink Floydian and a fan of Syd and his creations. Listening to this made me tear up alot. We miss you Syd.. Shine On You Crazy Diamond...
Omg!!!!!!!!!!! Yes I'm so stoked you have Roger on!!!!!! Biggest Pink Floyd/Roger fan and this makes my day!!
@i warned you McDonald's is the staple diet of certain uncivilized cultures.
Roger Waters is a Living Legend. Not only a genius song writter and musician,But really understands life his compassion for humanity is incredible.
Losing a close friend in your formative years is never easy. Whether it is death or mental illness their pains stay with you for a long time. I have been through it a couple of times and almost 30 years later it still affects me.
I can identify dude, ❤ to you and yours.
I love that Roger mentioned "Bike" and even quoted the first verse as an illustration of Syd's writing style. That has always been my favorite Barrett era Floyd song. "Quirky" in the best possible way.
To many music fans that was so touched, moved and inspired by Pink Floyd, it was the band, their music, the writing, the contribution from each member that when combined was utterly mind-blowing. Syd Barrett, Roger Waters, David Gilmour, Richard Wright and Nick Mason all of these immensely talented people, but I think we also forget that these guy's worked together while playing, rehearsing and lived together on the road for such a long time. This would strain any relationship or friendship and more so when you have such talented individuals contributing in their own way, but in the end, it all had to mesh into a great album. It's amazing they lasted together bas long as they did. I'm sure things were said or done that one wishes he could take back. After all, their humans. Very musically talented humans I might add. Love them all and their music.
Their music ( + psychedelics) changed my life ! Extremely grateful
He died after the first album dude
LOL Do any of you remember the Gilmour vs Waters (or pink Floyd vs Waters) people? When that whole Civil Court stuff between them was going on there were some of the most EXASPERATING PEOPLE who were either Roger Waters Diehards or Pink Floyd Diehards. They used to analyze David Gilmour's lyrics and/or Roger Water's lyrics to be about this or that (I'm sure some of them were but it got stupid with those fans). My God I hated those people, one side would discredit a song by Gilmour like "Learning to fly" (an AWESOME FKN song!!) then the other would shyte all over the Water's first solo (it WAS ALSO AWESOME but I can't remember what it's called, it was very "concept" album-ish).....Anyway, they used to pop up all over the place in musical circles.
@@petebagwell6666 he didn't 😂
Well said brother 👏 👍
Wow , this is amazing, the love for Sid from Roger really shines through here , Joes brilliant and just allows his guests to talk .
Nicely done. I'm so glad to have seen this happen. Such a sad and sorry story for a brilliant young man. Thank you, Roger & Joe.
I was at his concert recently.. where he speaks about Syd.. and that very incident.. Syd goes "people".. hits you hard.. and you can hear the pathos in Roger's voice.. needless to say.. Roger's energy is enviable..
The hurt is so plainly in Roger's eyes and voice. So tragic. RIP Syd
Syd was a genius. It's not hyperbole, he truly was on a level and a world all his own. He was really too deep for pop music, but it's another proof of his genius that his songs were also accessible and fun. "See Emily Play" is a song that once you hear, you will never forget.
And bike
Just listened to it for the first time after reading your comment. Thank you. I have never listen to much PF over the years but am loving getting to know their music.
If that's what happened......yes acid will do that to you.especially too much too fast.i know
Right. One only needs to hear the music to understand an extraordinary mind is behind this music
@@matthewjdouglas6471 Indeed!!!
"He's getting rather old but he's a good mouse"