Agreed! It was a case of making the most of the short time we had both bikes, on our local terrain. Having ridden both bikes (with a lot more time on the Wild, on more difficult terrain), my opinion is that the Wild easily come out on top in terms of outright speed. The Rise is a great Trail/Allmtn option but if you’re spending more time riding Enduro, I would pick the Wild every time. Thanks for watching and commenting.
for information, the emax application allows you to modify the output power of the EP 801 via Bluetooth. in order to keep the qualities of the bike in terms of its autonomy, I simply increased the output power on the boost mode in order to use it only on very technical climbs. and that changes everything! in order not to lose the warranty, I return to the original resetting... I think this possibility should be authorized by Orbea. After all, we pay a very expensive price for a bike, even though this power restriction is not clearly indicated when buying it.
This was very useful. While the Wild is a beast, there is a lot of appeal in the lighter Rise LT - the geometry is good, the travel is on the trail side, but probably enough for most rides. I am not sure if it would make sense increasing fork travel to 170, and eventually shock travel to 155 or 160 (likely not advised), but the older Rise was possible to mod, the frame being the bottleneck, which has been improved with the LT.
Thank you very much, we are glad that the video has been helpful. As you say, for most riders, the Rise is more than capable enough, plus it has the benefit of being significantly lighter. It is not something that i have looked into, but I would imagine increasing the travel would be possible, but from my experience, it feels very capable in standard spec and I wouldn't bother. Thanks a lot for watching and commenting. Jason
Great Vid - I have the Wild -it is an awesome bike for sure. It is my understanding that the Rise may be at 85nm but the RS -tune limits the watts to 500 ( i think or less) to preserve the battery - so even being lighter the Rise will never match the Wild uphill speed .. but then again no other motors do at least at this point.
Thanks for your comment, its much appreciated. The Wild is undoubtedly an awesome bike (it wouldn't have won all the awards and accolades it has, if it wasn't). Having spent quite a bit of time riding them over the last 18 months, I am also a Wild fanboy! You are correct, the RS+ tuning on the Rise means that it will never be able to keep up with Bosch CX motor, and as you say, there are not many that do! In addition to preserving battery, the RS+ tune is also designed to make the motor as lifelike as possible; it needs more rider input (in terms of cadence and rider effort/watts) in order to get the most out of it. In contrast the Bosch CX has power EVERYWHERE. It doesn't matter how you ride it, there is always power on tap! Thanks for watching our video. Jason
Orbea Demo Day was at Birdsboro last weekend. Got to ride both the Wild M10 and Rise SL. Definitely big difference between the two. The Wild stole the show for me. Absolutely amazing bike. I went to my local dealer and demo’d the Wild Mteam for three days. I returned it and ordered myself a Wild Mteam woooooo! The Santa Cruz is pissed! 🤣😂👍👍🇺🇸
Sounds like you had a blast on demo day!! We've held a couple of Orbea demo days and, from our experience, more people prefer the Wild to the Rise too. Personally I prefer the Rise, but its a split decision amongst my colleagues. The Wild M-Team is an epic bike, you will not be disappointed! Thanks for watching and commenting. Jason
Hi David, always great to hear from you. We’re really pleased that you enjoyed the latest video. Thank you watching and commenting. All the best, Jason
Sounds like you and I are after the same things when choosing an e-bike. I definitely prefer a lighter more nimble bike, I also enjoy the thrashing my legs on the climb too. Which is why I preferred the Rise to the Wild, even if the Wild was faster! Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment. Jason
Was on the fence for the new rise, but its still a pre-order in norway, and the cheapest i wanted was around 9k usd/eur. I found a Wild m11 axs for 7.5k usd/eur and pulled the trigger for the wild. Had a few trips. Its 750wh and honestly a bit heavy. I rented an old Rise and loved how light it was, but kind of got overwhelmed while going hard downhill. Also had to use boost at mye 110kg body weight xD. On the Wild i use eMTB mode primarily.
Thanks for comment and sharing your experience. The new Rise goes a long way to closing the gap between the Wild and the old Rise, but still there is no bike that is capable of being as capable as the Wild both up and downhill, and being as light as the Rise. Battery cell density has progressed considerably over the past 2-3 years (vs the previous 10) so hopefully there will be a bike that hits the "sweet spot" in the not too distant future. Thanks for watching. Jason
@@ebikecentre Yeah, I think a sub 20kg would be the sweet spot for a "full fat eMtb". If we could get 750wh down to that weight. The new Amflow looks like it could be such a bike, but some channel tested it and on full boost they used 33% battery in 37 minutes. Ofc running it on lower assist modes would make it last as long as a bosch, as these don't assist 120nm and crazy wattage as the Dji Avinox. Still feel like I would wait to see how that motor system handles use in bad weather etc.
Question. Can you recommend bikes for bicycle touring. By touring I men using panniers on a rear rack and either panniers or other bags on the front for. I prefer to use drop bars. Thank you.
Great question: There isn't wealth of drop bar e-bike options out there, and certainly in the UK (where the speed is limited to 15.5mph) they aren't all that popular (so its not really my area of expertise). However, if it were me, I would probably go with Specialized Creo2 SL Alloy Comp. Its a fantastic riding bike and has a natural feel to the motor,. It's lightweight and it has a reasonable battery range and optional range extender, plus it has plenty of mounts for carrying luggage. As its alloy it can take more knocks and bumps than the carbon version. However, if you want to go lighter, I would opt for the Comp Carbon version. I hope this helps. Thanks for taking the time to comment and watch our videos. Jason
Great comparison! 👍I would also be interested in a range test, even if it's 630 on Rise vs 750 on Wild. From what I've seen in other reviews the Rise is supposed to be very power efficient but with less watts in the motor that is to be expected I suppose.
That is a very good idea for a video. I will see what we can do. You are correct, the Rise much more efficient, partly because of the reduced power output but also because it encourages the rider to ride the motor properly (i.e. like an analogue bike) in order to get the most out of the motor (plus the bike is lighter than the average e-bike). Our Orbea rep has described it as a "rider's motor" and I would entirely agree with him. I thoroughly enjoyed the motor and found it to be much more lifelike in its application of power than the Bosch CX. Thank you very much for commenting and taking the time to watch the video. Jason
Yes thats a good question. I teied the new rise and in the shop before the test i asked them to switch to the new 85nm mode. It was in default in the old mode. And in 10 mins I compared quickly with a 2023 wold and i felt that the rise was a bit stronger. I will test them in 1 week and i will know more but until that test it would be nice to get a confirmation from these guys that the rise was in the rs+ mode.
Yes, the latest update certainly brings the RS motor "closer" to the power of the Bosch Performance Line CX but it will still lag behind on a steep climb. Thank you for watching and commenting. Jason
Hi, thanks for taking the time to comment. In addition to the two modes that the new Rise has, there has also been a significant software update released recently which ups the output of the EP801 motor. So although the level of torque remains the same, the peak wattage output has increased. However, even with the update the motor is still not as powerful as the Bosch CX.
The Wild “ destroyed the Rise on the climbs “ that’s a non comment, that’s like saying “ The Bugatti Chiron destroyed the Ferrari “ That doesn’t mean the Ferrari is a bad car .
I completely agree. We have plans to take the 2025 Wild & Rise LT to more technical terrain for another comparison. Watch this space…. Thanks for watching and commenting.
It is very simple, I had the rise which was an amazing bike. I now have the Wild in carbon with the smaller battery and it is hands down the best bicycle i ever had !!!
Thanks for the comment. Yes, the 625wh and carbon Wild combo is superb! Good choice. In terms of weight you are in the same ball-park as the Rise, but with the full power Bosch motor and the Wild's downhill ability. The Wild's frame and riding geometry is outstanding, I would agree with you, it is easily one of the best e-bikes I have ever ridden. Thanks for watching. Jason
Hi Terry, great question. I can't comment on how much effort Tom was putting in vs myself, but yes, there would always be a disparity between two different riders, hence why the timed runs were me vs me. Even then the test is not an exact science, as you can argue that I would be suffering from more fatigue on the second run than the first, did I take the same line on both runs, etc. However, despite being my second run, the Wild was still significantly faster than the Rise. In addition, Tom was already 50m further up the climb before I set off, and still the Wild breezed past very quickly. I hope this further detail helps. Thanks very much for watching the video and for you comment. Much appreciated. Jason
You're not wrong. But its worth bearing in mind is that this will void any manufacturer's warranty. Also, (although unlikely) in the UK you run the risk of a fine and points on your Driver's License if caught by an officious police officer. Thanks for taking the time to watch our video and commenting, its much appreciated.
@@ebikecentre yeah crazy! what’s the speed limit with scooters? It’s crazy in Australia! They sell scooters that can reach 100km per hour ! And they are worry about bikes doing 25 km per hour
Thanks for commenting and watching the video. My favourite bike of the two was actually the Rise (which I mention at the end), but the Wild won the test.
From our experience of Orbea, and the bike experience in general, Orbea's customer service is "ok/good". In general, if there is an issue, they deal with it and the customer is looked after, but they are not always the quickest. This has improved a lot in the last couple of years too. Are there bike brands with better customer service? Yes! Are the bike brands that are worse? Most definitely! One thing that is worth noting, on a percentage of bikes sold, we don't get many issues with Orbea bikes in the first place. So hopefully, most people don't need to worry about customer service. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Yes, you are correct, the RS tuning has limited the motor's output. However, the RS+ motor has increased in torque from 60Nm to 85Nm vs the previous model. We have had lots of comments saying "with this increase in torque, what is the point in the WIld?". So we have compared them head-to-head in this video. Thanks for watching and commenting. Jason
You absolutely right. They are designed for different styles of riding, however, we have received lots of comments asking what's the point of running both bikes if they are the same travel. So we thought we would test them side by side. Thanks a lot for watching and taking the time to comment.
Hi, thanks for watching the video and taking the time to comment. The Rise LT is fitted with 160mm front suspension. The M-Team that I was riding was fitted with Fox 36 Float Factory Grip X Kashima 160mm forks. The rest of the range down the the H10 are also fitted with different variants of the Fox 36 160mm fork. The confusion might lie with the rear shock, as this is 150mm travel. The Rise SL is running 140mm front and 140mm rear and the previous generation Rise was also 140/140. I hope this helps.
That is odd, the two Wilds I have demo’d, an M10 and the Mteam both had Fox 38s with the Mteam getting the Fox Factory. To put a Fox 36 on a Wild is just weird and you def didnt get the full Wild experience!
@@ebikecentre typically, people refer to the travel of a bike by the frame travel, not the fork travel as fork travel can change on any MTB. However, yes the fork travel on both are 160mm.
Doing an XC-Downhill track to compare the Rise with the wild...hmmm. Would love to see the comparison on a more all mountain or enduro track.
Agreed! It was a case of making the most of the short time we had both bikes, on our local terrain.
Having ridden both bikes (with a lot more time on the Wild, on more difficult terrain), my opinion is that the Wild easily come out on top in terms of outright speed. The Rise is a great Trail/Allmtn option but if you’re spending more time riding Enduro, I would pick the Wild every time. Thanks for watching and commenting.
for information, the emax application allows you to modify the output power of the EP 801 via Bluetooth. in order to keep the qualities of the bike in terms of its autonomy, I simply increased the output power on the boost mode in order to use it only on very technical climbs. and that changes everything! in order not to lose the warranty, I return to the original resetting... I think this possibility should be authorized by Orbea. After all, we pay a very expensive price for a bike, even though this power restriction is not clearly indicated when buying it.
Thanks for sharing this info. I am sure there a plenty of people who will find it useful. Thanks for watching. Toby
This was very useful. While the Wild is a beast, there is a lot of appeal in the lighter Rise LT - the geometry is good, the travel is on the trail side, but probably enough for most rides. I am not sure if it would make sense increasing fork travel to 170, and eventually shock travel to 155 or 160 (likely not advised), but the older Rise was possible to mod, the frame being the bottleneck, which has been improved with the LT.
Thank you very much, we are glad that the video has been helpful. As you say, for most riders, the Rise is more than capable enough, plus it has the benefit of being significantly lighter. It is not something that i have looked into, but I would imagine increasing the travel would be possible, but from my experience, it feels very capable in standard spec and I wouldn't bother. Thanks a lot for watching and commenting. Jason
Great Vid - I have the Wild -it is an awesome bike for sure. It is my understanding that the Rise may be at 85nm but the RS -tune limits the watts to 500 ( i think or less) to preserve the battery - so even being lighter the Rise will never match the Wild uphill speed .. but then again no other motors do at least at this point.
Thanks for your comment, its much appreciated. The Wild is undoubtedly an awesome bike (it wouldn't have won all the awards and accolades it has, if it wasn't). Having spent quite a bit of time riding them over the last 18 months, I am also a Wild fanboy!
You are correct, the RS+ tuning on the Rise means that it will never be able to keep up with Bosch CX motor, and as you say, there are not many that do!
In addition to preserving battery, the RS+ tune is also designed to make the motor as lifelike as possible; it needs more rider input (in terms of cadence and rider effort/watts) in order to get the most out of it. In contrast the Bosch CX has power EVERYWHERE. It doesn't matter how you ride it, there is always power on tap!
Thanks for watching our video. Jason
Orbea Demo Day was at Birdsboro last weekend. Got to ride both the Wild M10 and Rise SL. Definitely big difference between the two. The Wild stole the show for me. Absolutely amazing bike. I went to my local dealer and demo’d the Wild Mteam for three days. I returned it and ordered myself a Wild Mteam woooooo! The Santa Cruz is pissed! 🤣😂👍👍🇺🇸
Im selling my 2022 Rise (150/160) after 1800 miles and got a new Wild m team. I want enduro geo.
Sounds like you had a blast on demo day!! We've held a couple of Orbea demo days and, from our experience, more people prefer the Wild to the Rise too. Personally I prefer the Rise, but its a split decision amongst my colleagues. The Wild M-Team is an epic bike, you will not be disappointed! Thanks for watching and commenting. Jason
The Wild is a far more capable bike than the Gen 1 Rise. You will have a LOT of fun on your new Wild. Thanks for watching and commenting.
I don't even ride mtb's but I still watched it to the end, great video guys congrats to all
Hi David, always great to hear from you. We’re really pleased that you enjoyed the latest video. Thank you watching and commenting. All the best, Jason
Big fan of the Orbea eebs, however your point about reduced weight making descending more lively and fun is exactly why I'm still a Leg Bike guy.
Sounds like you and I are after the same things when choosing an e-bike. I definitely prefer a lighter more nimble bike, I also enjoy the thrashing my legs on the climb too. Which is why I preferred the Rise to the Wild, even if the Wild was faster! Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment. Jason
Was on the fence for the new rise, but its still a pre-order in norway, and the cheapest i wanted was around 9k usd/eur. I found a Wild m11 axs for 7.5k usd/eur and pulled the trigger for the wild. Had a few trips. Its 750wh and honestly a bit heavy. I rented an old Rise and loved how light it was, but kind of got overwhelmed while going hard downhill. Also had to use boost at mye 110kg body weight xD. On the Wild i use eMTB mode primarily.
Thanks for comment and sharing your experience. The new Rise goes a long way to closing the gap between the Wild and the old Rise, but still there is no bike that is capable of being as capable as the Wild both up and downhill, and being as light as the Rise. Battery cell density has progressed considerably over the past 2-3 years (vs the previous 10) so hopefully there will be a bike that hits the "sweet spot" in the not too distant future. Thanks for watching. Jason
@@ebikecentre Yeah, I think a sub 20kg would be the sweet spot for a "full fat eMtb". If we could get 750wh down to that weight. The new Amflow looks like it could be such a bike, but some channel tested it and on full boost they used 33% battery in 37 minutes. Ofc running it on lower assist modes would make it last as long as a bosch, as these don't assist 120nm and crazy wattage as the Dji Avinox. Still feel like I would wait to see how that motor system handles use in bad weather etc.
Question. Can you recommend bikes for bicycle touring. By touring I men using panniers on a rear rack and either panniers or other bags on the front for. I prefer to use drop bars.
Thank you.
Great question: There isn't wealth of drop bar e-bike options out there, and certainly in the UK (where the speed is limited to 15.5mph) they aren't all that popular (so its not really my area of expertise). However, if it were me, I would probably go with Specialized Creo2 SL Alloy Comp. Its a fantastic riding bike and has a natural feel to the motor,. It's lightweight and it has a reasonable battery range and optional range extender, plus it has plenty of mounts for carrying luggage. As its alloy it can take more knocks and bumps than the carbon version. However, if you want to go lighter, I would opt for the Comp Carbon version. I hope this helps. Thanks for taking the time to comment and watch our videos. Jason
Great comparison! 👍I would also be interested in a range test, even if it's 630 on Rise vs 750 on Wild.
From what I've seen in other reviews the Rise is supposed to be very power efficient but with less watts in the motor that is to be expected I suppose.
That is a very good idea for a video. I will see what we can do. You are correct, the Rise much more efficient, partly because of the reduced power output but also because it encourages the rider to ride the motor properly (i.e. like an analogue bike) in order to get the most out of the motor (plus the bike is lighter than the average e-bike).
Our Orbea rep has described it as a "rider's motor" and I would entirely agree with him. I thoroughly enjoyed the motor and found it to be much more lifelike in its application of power than the Bosch CX. Thank you very much for commenting and taking the time to watch the video. Jason
Does the EP801 RS motor get the update which brings it more inline with the CX performance
Yes thats a good question. I teied the new rise and in the shop before the test i asked them to switch to the new 85nm mode. It was in default in the old mode. And in 10 mins I compared quickly with a 2023 wold and i felt that the rise was a bit stronger. I will test them in 1 week and i will know more but until that test it would be nice to get a confirmation from these guys that the rise was in the rs+ mode.
Yes, the latest update certainly brings the RS motor "closer" to the power of the Bosch Performance Line CX but it will still lag behind on a steep climb. Thank you for watching and commenting. Jason
Hi, thanks for taking the time to comment. In addition to the two modes that the new Rise has, there has also been a significant software update released recently which ups the output of the EP801 motor. So although the level of torque remains the same, the peak wattage output has increased. However, even with the update the motor is still not as powerful as the Bosch CX.
The Wild “ destroyed the Rise on the climbs “ that’s a non comment, that’s like saying “ The Bugatti Chiron destroyed the Ferrari “ That doesn’t mean the Ferrari is a bad car .
To make the limiter feel less annoying, leave it in 8th or 9th gear so your legs are spinning quickly
Great tip! Thanks for the comment and for watching. Jason
All of the tests were on trails that the Rise was designed to be better on, would have been good to send them both down some proper enduro trails
I completely agree. We have plans to take the 2025 Wild & Rise LT to more technical terrain for another comparison. Watch this space…. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Very cool test
Glad you liked it! Thanks for taking the time to watch our video. Jason
It is very simple, I had the rise which was an amazing bike. I now have the Wild in carbon with the smaller battery and it is hands down the best bicycle i ever had !!!
Thanks for the comment. Yes, the 625wh and carbon Wild combo is superb! Good choice.
In terms of weight you are in the same ball-park as the Rise, but with the full power Bosch motor and the Wild's downhill ability. The Wild's frame and riding geometry is outstanding, I would agree with you, it is easily one of the best e-bikes I have ever ridden. Thanks for watching. Jason
You did not say which rise you had
The wild would have won the first test too if it wasnt for he limiter. First thing I did when I got mine was to get rid of the limiter
It appeared that you on the wild and your friend on the rise approached the climb with different levels of effort.
Hi Terry, great question. I can't comment on how much effort Tom was putting in vs myself, but yes, there would always be a disparity between two different riders, hence why the timed runs were me vs me. Even then the test is not an exact science, as you can argue that I would be suffering from more fatigue on the second run than the first, did I take the same line on both runs, etc.
However, despite being my second run, the Wild was still significantly faster than the Rise. In addition, Tom was already 50m further up the climb before I set off, and still the Wild breezed past very quickly. I hope this further detail helps. Thanks very much for watching the video and for you comment. Much appreciated. Jason
ep8 is easy to unlock! So you don’t have to worry about the ridiculous 25km p/h limit!
You're not wrong. But its worth bearing in mind is that this will void any manufacturer's warranty. Also, (although unlikely) in the UK you run the risk of a fine and points on your Driver's License if caught by an officious police officer.
Thanks for taking the time to watch our video and commenting, its much appreciated.
@@ebikecentre yeah crazy! what’s the speed limit with scooters? It’s crazy in Australia! They sell scooters that can reach 100km per hour ! And they are worry about bikes doing 25 km per hour
Sorry. In the next 2 questions I also want to specify using a class 1 e-bike.
The one you like the best will "win "
Thanks for commenting and watching the video. My favourite bike of the two was actually the Rise (which I mention at the end), but the Wild won the test.
in the next question I mean can you recommend electric bikes.
Doesn’t matter how good the bike is I hear the customer service is awful with Orbea!!
I’ve had a great experience
From our experience of Orbea, and the bike experience in general, Orbea's customer service is "ok/good". In general, if there is an issue, they deal with it and the customer is looked after, but they are not always the quickest. This has improved a lot in the last couple of years too.
Are there bike brands with better customer service? Yes! Are the bike brands that are worse? Most definitely!
One thing that is worth noting, on a percentage of bikes sold, we don't get many issues with Orbea bikes in the first place. So hopefully, most people don't need to worry about customer service. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Glad to hear it. Which Orbea do you have?
Erm the rise is software limited in power. So you dont get the full fat power
Yes, you are correct, the RS tuning has limited the motor's output. However, the RS+ motor has increased in torque from 60Nm to 85Nm vs the previous model. We have had lots of comments saying "with this increase in torque, what is the point in the WIld?". So we have compared them head-to-head in this video. Thanks for watching and commenting. Jason
False. The wild is a enduro and Rise is a trail
You absolutely right. They are designed for different styles of riding, however, we have received lots of comments asking what's the point of running both bikes if they are the same travel. So we thought we would test them side by side. Thanks a lot for watching and taking the time to comment.
@@ebikecentre they nit same travel
Wild is a 170 160 slacker head angle full enduro components and stiffer frame and suspension system
The Rise LT is a 150mm travel bike not 160mm
Hi, thanks for watching the video and taking the time to comment.
The Rise LT is fitted with 160mm front suspension. The M-Team that I was riding was fitted with Fox 36 Float Factory Grip X Kashima 160mm forks. The rest of the range down the the H10 are also fitted with different variants of the Fox 36 160mm fork.
The confusion might lie with the rear shock, as this is 150mm travel.
The Rise SL is running 140mm front and 140mm rear and the previous generation Rise was also 140/140.
I hope this helps.
That is odd, the two Wilds I have demo’d, an M10 and the Mteam both had Fox 38s with the Mteam getting the Fox Factory. To put a Fox 36 on a Wild is just weird and you def didnt get the full Wild experience!
@@ebikecentre typically, people refer to the travel of a bike by the frame travel, not the fork travel as fork travel can change on any MTB. However, yes the fork travel on both are 160mm.