Just found this, Trottie. Been thinking for a while my putter’s too long, and this confirms it. Great explanation. Thanks. Off now to watch the other one.
It's like you read my mind! Switching to a Super Stroke grip but have been thinking about length for weeks and wasn't sure what to do as a tall player (6'5"). This was huge for me. Thank you! 🧅🧅🧅
If it is possible ,please measure the putter length ,to show how and from where you start measuring, thanks . I feel I putt better with the shorter putter . This is a good subject and thank you ,explain it .
Great vid for both consumers and fitters, Trottie! Soon most of the new products for 2021 have dropped, and getting fit into new equipment is underway. Would you mind considering a topic I've touched on a while back, which is shaft weight progression throughout the iron set. So constant weight (e.g. Modus) vs. decending weight (e.g. AMT). Bonus if we get some info on high balance point iron shafts like KBS. Many thanks
What's up Trottie! Question...I got a great deal on a Sik putter with LA golf graphite putter shaft. However it's 35 inches, and ideally I prefer a 34 inch putter. I'm going to be changing the grip regardless. What is the best way to trim an inch off the butt end of a graphite putter shaft? Should you even do it? Thanks for your advice!!
I used to used a 34 but my back would get sore practicing...switched to 35 and I can practice as long as I want... I adjusted what I needed to to use the 35 so I could practice, otherwise the game is no fun if you can't practice because something is hurting.
I think I need a change here I got a standard 34 but I think it's still too long because I'm missing a lot of putts to me if I choke it and stand a little more closer I can make the putts but. What really got me on scratching my head is you get fitted for a driver and irons and Fairway Woods but I never knew that you get fitted for a putter..... I thought I was just the looks in the feel of it.
@TrottieGolf Have you ever heard of any body using two different weights on their putter? I currently have a 14 gram weight on the rear heel (inside) of the Spider X Putter and a 4 gram on the rear toe side... It has really helped me Square the putter face up especially on the backstroke where I usually take it back too far outside of center... As a right-hander, it's almost a little bit of a cut putting stroke i struggle with... Putting a heavier weight on the rear heel side (14g) & lighter toe side (4g) of the spider X has GREATLY helped my putter path stay online.. 28 putts last Thursday's Round.. Your Take? Cheers!
So length doesnt just rely on how tall a person is.. i always though height would be the biggest factor.. cant have 6'5" ppl using 33 inch putters.. or can they?
It’s a factor but so is arm length if you’re going to do everything off a static measurable. For the better player / more established you have to consider their method & the things mentioned in this video ⛳️
I'm 5'7" and I was given a Scotty Cameron Newport 2 putter that is 35". I feel it's a bit long for me so i grip down to get my arms a bit straight, until I was told to hold the putter like the way you showed it with "cradling" it and stacking more as in bending my knees mainly. With that, I'm able to get my eyes on top of the ball. Should I still get the club cut down to 34 or 33, you think? Are there golfers you know who are like my height but uses 35" putters? Thanks
A couple of shorter guys use 35" but not many. I think Rickie is close and he putts great. Look if the ball is going in then don't worry, if you start cutting it down it'll change all the balance points of the club so for me, if the results are good, leave it
Is there such a thing as too far inside for the eyeline in relation to the ball? The reason I ask is because my eyeline is a good deal inside the ball (right hand, right eye dominant. 5’8” and am using a 35” putter)
@@trottiegolf thanks trottie, I don’t make as many as I should, my miss is usually a pull. I’m wondering if it’s bc my eyes are so far inside that Im feeling my aim way out to the right and trying to pull it back online. Does that make sense?
I'm 5'7 eyes very inside is what's comfortable for me and i putt great with a 35" putter... 28-31 strokes per round with the Dustin Johnson Tour Black Spider
Hey Trotting. Your triceps when you set up to rock the shoulders or cradle. Do you or is the triceps in front on the chest sternum or against the Ribs. I've heard and seen two different inputs on that. When I put my triceps against the outside on the sternum chest I do make tons of outs that way for me. Just need you opinion
@@trottiegolf thanks sir. Yeah it's something I started doing just recently with my triceps on the chest sternum relaxed. It's weird but it's been working great with great results and making putts. I've just seen multiple people do this but different ways and I thought I would ask and see what your thoughts were about this. Thank you again
Trottie how tall are you and do you measure putter length with or without grip installed? Also, how much extra length does a grip like a Super Stroke add?
If you were playing shorter than 33 inch do you need to increase the headweight? If you counterbalance do you need to increase head weight? Finally how is best to check lie angle is correct
All depends on the swing weight you want as to how you answer the head weight parts of this question. As for lie angle you can do this visually based on how the putter sits in relation to the green
If people understand “why” pro players line up their eyes different - inside, direct, in front, behind etc…. Once a player understands their “optimal” eye position (when you can see the line) then they can better determine length. But length comes after they understand that eye position. There is a simple process to find that eye position with just a tee (sometimes mirror) and your putter that pro instructors use. After that position is found mirrors are your best friend - that’s why pro’s use them. Video on that would be great.
as a caveat to the below comment, and your "cradle" ... does your "cradle" come from a "palms open" grip - and therefore the elbows become naturally more tucked into the body - or is it the converse ... i.e. the grip is closed over the top of the grip ... and the elbows "flare" out (creating the "cradle" that way)? Needless to say that I hope there is some sort of follow-on to this (very good) video re: a putting "anchor" and shoulder movement for improved stroke.
@@trottiegolf thanks for the reply - I appreciate it - now subscribed ... your content is great. I bought a Blast Motion sensor 6 months ago and this - along with the video component of the sensor/phone - has brought my putting back from the DEAD (all kinds of horrors baked into 20yrs+ of poor fundamentals). Buying a counterbalanced mallet also helped. Keep up the good work and bring out some merch.
Really liked that you provide the “why” behind your recommendations. Question - I’m 6’4” and have a bad back. Struggling to find proper putter length that still allows my eyes over or just inside ball. I’m trying to relieve strain on back while I putt. Was lower handicap
Hi Trottie I use the classic spider tour 34in still which I love. I have the super stroke logo facing the towards the hole when I putt square with the putter face. Due to me liking left hand below right. But recently I seem to have my hand nearly on the shaft now. Left eye dominate. So would I need to go shorter on my putter which could help with hitting less leftside of the hole a bit instead! Thank and keep up the good work
@trottiegolf interested in the cradle method here. Lots of stability when using face-balanced putters with fatter grips, so it's likely more suited for that style. Question I have is if it's worth switching to cradle from a tiger-style stroke. What are the pros/cons and are there any resources for learning the cradle style?
Less face rotation, all depends how well you time the face and how consistent you are. I’ve seen extracts from a Jack Nicklaus putting book I’d consider (sorry I don’t know name) if you truly wanna go more cradle style.... it doesn’t aesthetically look as nice but I personally like it and hole more putts with that particular method 👍🏻
If you decide to shorten a putter how does this affect the weighting and is there any set way to calculate the correct weight to add, or is it just then personal preference?
You mention eye dominate but you fail to give how it affects putting in terms of length of putter. If you are right handed and left eye dominant, if you have a shorter putter, will you aim more right? If you have a longer putter will you aim more left? If you are left eye dominate, which length would help you make more putts based upon that example?
My question is not about this video's topic. I have considered about buying the Spider X putter, but now I have also tested the TP Juno putter and I really like that feel. Which one you would suggest? It's a quite hard question because the difference between mallet and blade is huge and those are not similar putters compared to each other. Does the TP Juno have the pure roll technology?
Direct comparison if you can handle the mallet then take the additional tech benefits and go mallet... more stable, you can play it with less loft based on center of gravity.... just an easier putter to use. Launch is soon I believe but I don’t know the exact date for the new stuff 👍🏻
Great video Trottie - I'm currently using a 35' TM Spider putter, but I've been thinking about getting this shortened to more a 33.5-34'. I'm curious on how this will effect the swing weight of the club? Thanks!
Hey trottie I just ordered a custom spider x can’t wait. I’m swapping from my old rossa mezza monza which I love no idea on length what’s the standard length for the 2 ?
@@trottiegolf legend thanks Chris i hope there not majorly different between the 2 how do you measure the shaft length ? is it from bottom of putter or bottom of hosel ?
Thanks Trottie! Another solid #tourtrucktuesday video. When I bought my new TM Spider X (chalk) a couple of months back I really struggled with the length during my fitting. I used the mirror to really determine the length and my eyes were too far over the ball with a 34 inch and the 35 inch allowed me to have my eyes directly over the ball. Do you agree this was good logic to go with the 35 inch? I’m only 5’9 and feel the industry would recommend a 34 inch. Also, not to get too off topic, but my logic also going with a 35 inch allows me more flexibility to insert a counter weight if needed into my Superstoke Pistol 1.0 grip and allow me to choke down on the grip to allow the weight to move. Let me know your thoughts. Thanks as always!
@@trottiegolf thanks v much. Silly error really, especially as I’ve used a longer putter for 30 years. On the positive side the new ex & x look great & I can start from scratch re hosel etc at the same time. Any tour guys moved in to them yet? Great video by the way, some really excellent stuff in there👍
@@andy66l97 thx & yes guys are starting to put them in play, always this time of year when we get off the west coast that you'll see a few in the top PLYR's bags
If you're looking for an angle here then my answer is "tall enough to whip it 25+ past you", if you're being genuine then 5'7 on camera but prolly 5'6 in person :0)
@@trottiegolf LOL! No i wasn't being silly at all, it was a genuine question as I am trying to figure out height to putter length relation. I realize it's more about preferences and wrist to floor being the important measurement. I love your content, keep up the great work!
Really liked that you provide the “why” behind your recommendations. Question - I’m 6’4” and have a bad back. Struggling to find proper putter length that still allows my eyes over or just inside ball. I’m trying to relieve strain on back while I putt. Was lower handicap
Just found this, Trottie. Been thinking for a while my putter’s too long, and this confirms it. Great explanation. Thanks. Off now to watch the other one.
The single greatest putting video on RUclips. My buddies will never see this if I can help it lol.
🤣 share it BUT i agree.... take some cash off them first
AWESOME! Can you talk about the different putter inserts?
It's like you read my mind! Switching to a Super Stroke grip but have been thinking about length for weeks and wasn't sure what to do as a tall player (6'5"). This was huge for me. Thank you! 🧅🧅🧅
Very helpful advice, thanks very much!
Another great video!!! I learn something each week and something from all your videos.. Thanks Chris
Excellent video. Explained in great but simple detail 👌
If it is possible ,please measure the putter length
,to show how and from where you start measuring, thanks . I feel I putt better with the shorter putter . This is a good subject and thank you ,explain it .
very interesting. Definitely something to look at next time I choose a putter
Yes!! thank you Trottiegolf!
Great vid for both consumers and fitters, Trottie!
Soon most of the new products for 2021 have dropped, and getting fit into new equipment is underway. Would you mind considering a topic I've touched on a while back, which is shaft weight progression throughout the iron set. So constant weight (e.g. Modus) vs. decending weight (e.g. AMT). Bonus if we get some info on high balance point iron shafts like KBS. Many thanks
Interesting.
Evnroll is located in Carlsbad,Ca as well.
What's up Trottie! Question...I got a great deal on a Sik putter with LA golf graphite putter shaft. However it's 35 inches, and ideally I prefer a 34 inch putter. I'm going to be changing the grip regardless. What is the best way to trim an inch off the butt end of a graphite putter shaft? Should you even do it? Thanks for your advice!!
I used to used a 34 but my back would get sore practicing...switched to 35 and I can practice as long as I want... I adjusted what I needed to to use the 35 so I could practice, otherwise the game is no fun if you can't practice because something is hurting.
SMART
Can a putter be shortened without effecting the geometry of the club?
I think I need a change here I got a standard 34 but I think it's still too long because I'm missing a lot of putts to me if I choke it and stand a little more closer I can make the putts but. What really got me on scratching my head is you get fitted for a driver and irons and Fairway Woods but I never knew that you get fitted for a putter..... I thought I was just the looks in the feel of it.
@TrottieGolf
Have you ever heard of any body using two different weights on their putter?
I currently have a 14 gram weight on the rear heel (inside) of the Spider X Putter and a 4 gram on the rear toe side...
It has really helped me Square the putter face up especially on the backstroke where I usually take it back too far outside of center...
As a right-hander, it's almost a little bit of a cut putting stroke i struggle with...
Putting a heavier weight on the rear heel side (14g) & lighter toe side (4g) of the spider X has GREATLY helped my putter path stay online..
28 putts last Thursday's Round..
Your Take?
Cheers!
So length doesnt just rely on how tall a person is.. i always though height would be the biggest factor.. cant have 6'5" ppl using 33 inch putters.. or can they?
It’s a factor but so is arm length if you’re going to do everything off a static measurable. For the better player / more established you have to consider their method & the things mentioned in this video ⛳️
I'm 5'7" and I was given a Scotty Cameron Newport 2 putter that is 35". I feel it's a bit long for me so i grip down to get my arms a bit straight, until I was told to hold the putter like the way you showed it with "cradling" it and stacking more as in bending my knees mainly. With that, I'm able to get my eyes on top of the ball. Should I still get the club cut down to 34 or 33, you think? Are there golfers you know who are like my height but uses 35" putters? Thanks
A couple of shorter guys use 35" but not many. I think Rickie is close and he putts great. Look if the ball is going in then don't worry, if you start cutting it down it'll change all the balance points of the club so for me, if the results are good, leave it
Is there such a thing as too far inside for the eyeline in relation to the ball? The reason I ask is because my eyeline is a good deal inside the ball (right hand, right eye dominant. 5’8” and am using a 35” putter)
If this was the case & your making putts and seeing your line then I’d be okay with it .... otherwise at 5”8 I’d consider going shorter ⛳️
@@trottiegolf thanks trottie, I don’t make as many as I should, my miss is usually a pull. I’m wondering if it’s bc my eyes are so far inside that Im feeling my aim way out to the right and trying to pull it back online. Does that make sense?
@@craigburrows8113 yes makes sense, simple stroke line a good place for you to start pal
I'm 5'7 eyes very inside is what's comfortable for me and i putt great with a 35" putter...
28-31 strokes per round with the Dustin Johnson Tour Black Spider
Hey Trotting. Your triceps when you set up to rock the shoulders or cradle. Do you or is the triceps in front on the chest sternum or against the Ribs. I've heard and seen two different inputs on that. When I put my triceps against the outside on the sternum chest I do make tons of outs that way for me. Just need you opinion
Not something I personally think about but I know a lot of players like to keep their triceps on the rib cage
@@trottiegolf thanks sir. Yeah it's something I started doing just recently with my triceps on the chest sternum relaxed. It's weird but it's been working great with great results and making putts. I've just seen multiple people do this but different ways and I thought I would ask and see what your thoughts were about this. Thank you again
Trottie how tall are you and do you measure putter length with or without grip installed? Also, how much extra length does a grip like a Super Stroke add?
Generally SS are .25 for the cap.
I’m 5”7
I do everything with grip installed
Another question, I ponder a lot. Iron grip thickness? Does a thicker grip have an effect on direction or ball flight?
I did a video on grip thickness, the thumbnail is Jon Rahm half way back.... take a look at that I think it'll answer your questions.
If you were playing shorter than 33 inch do you need to increase the headweight? If you counterbalance do you need to increase head weight? Finally how is best to check lie angle is correct
All depends on the swing weight you want as to how you answer the head weight parts of this question. As for lie angle you can do this visually based on how the putter sits in relation to the green
If people understand “why” pro players line up their eyes different - inside, direct, in front, behind etc…. Once a player understands their “optimal” eye position (when you can see the line) then they can better determine length. But length comes after they understand that eye position. There is a simple process to find that eye position with just a tee (sometimes mirror) and your putter that pro instructors use. After that position is found mirrors are your best friend - that’s why pro’s use them. Video on that would be great.
as a caveat to the below comment, and your "cradle" ... does your "cradle" come from a "palms open" grip - and therefore the elbows become naturally more tucked into the body - or is it the converse ... i.e. the grip is closed over the top of the grip ... and the elbows "flare" out (creating the "cradle" that way)? Needless to say that I hope there is some sort of follow-on to this (very good) video re: a putting "anchor" and shoulder movement for improved stroke.
Elbows off body & life line grip for this method 👍🏻
@@trottiegolf thanks for the reply - I appreciate it - now subscribed ... your content is great.
I bought a Blast Motion sensor 6 months ago and this - along with the video component of the sensor/phone - has brought my putting back from the DEAD (all kinds of horrors baked into 20yrs+ of poor fundamentals). Buying a counterbalanced mallet also helped.
Keep up the good work and bring out some merch.
I tried multiple lengths and what I've noticed was I tend to pull the ball to left when it's too short and push it to the right when it's too long.
Makes sense. Use the Simple Stoke string to dial in eye position, set your wrists in the position you want them, then lose yourself in the target
Really liked that you provide the “why” behind your recommendations. Question - I’m 6’4” and have a bad back. Struggling to find proper putter length that still allows my eyes over or just inside ball. I’m trying to relieve strain on back while I putt. Was lower handicap
I’m the same , chronic back pain. How have you adjusted
@@Njliving22Me too. I went with a 6’”7 long putter and now my pain is gone. Handicap up to 30 but never felt better
Hi Trottie
I use the classic spider tour 34in still which I love. I have the super stroke logo facing the towards the hole when I putt square with the putter face. Due to me liking left hand below right. But recently I seem to have my hand nearly on the shaft now. Left eye dominate. So would I need to go shorter on my putter which could help with hitting less leftside of the hole a bit instead!
Thank and keep up the good work
I think it could certainly be an option from your description, YES
Once again always well explained mate. cheers 👍👍 will be new spider putter on its way too this year ? 😬😬
Check out my insta as I drop the odd clue ...
@trottiegolf interested in the cradle method here. Lots of stability when using face-balanced putters with fatter grips, so it's likely more suited for that style. Question I have is if it's worth switching to cradle from a tiger-style stroke. What are the pros/cons and are there any resources for learning the cradle style?
Less face rotation, all depends how well you time the face and how consistent you are. I’ve seen extracts from a Jack Nicklaus putting book I’d consider (sorry I don’t know name) if you truly wanna go more cradle style.... it doesn’t aesthetically look as nice but I personally like it and hole more putts with that particular method 👍🏻
If you decide to shorten a putter how does this affect the weighting and is there any set way to calculate the correct weight to add, or is it just then personal preference?
Swing weight ⚖️ your best bet, I have another video on swing weight... check that out and it’ll help your calculations 👍🏻
Thanks Trottie 👍 will go and check it out
I love my centre shafted spider that I picked up in Japan a while ago. Any chance of a centre shafted spider in the new releases?
Maybe....
@@trottiegolf tease!
You mention eye dominate but you fail to give how it affects putting in terms of length of putter. If you are right handed and left eye dominant, if you have a shorter putter, will you aim more right? If you have a longer putter will you aim more left? If you are left eye dominate, which length would help you make more putts based upon that example?
I was referring more to toe hang opposed to length in this video
Some serious onions.. good video Trottie
My question is not about this video's topic. I have considered about buying the Spider X putter, but now I have also tested the TP Juno putter and I really like that feel. Which one you would suggest? It's a quite hard question because the difference between mallet and blade is huge and those are not similar putters compared to each other. Does the TP Juno have the pure roll technology?
And I don't know if you are allowed to answer this question, but when does get 2021 putters come out?
Direct comparison if you can handle the mallet then take the additional tech benefits and go mallet... more stable, you can play it with less loft based on center of gravity.... just an easier putter to use. Launch is soon I believe but I don’t know the exact date for the new stuff 👍🏻
@@trottiegolf Ok thank you for answering. I tried the Spider X today and the roll was so good and the swing was very stable. Love it!
Great video Trottie - I'm currently using a 35' TM Spider putter, but I've been thinking about getting this shortened to more a 33.5-34'. I'm curious on how this will effect the swing weight of the club? Thanks!
I have a vid on ⚖️ but you’re roughly looking at 5/6 SW for every 1” .... you can work it back in through weights in the head 👍🏻
1" will need ~12g added to the head to maintain the same swingweight. 1"=6 sw. 1sw = 2g. So 6x2=12g
35 feet is an unusally long putter
Hey trottie I just ordered a custom spider x can’t wait. I’m swapping from my old rossa mezza monza which I love no idea on length what’s the standard length for the 2 ?
I honestly don’t know retail standard but I’d guess 3°, it’s something you should certainly check matches your greens you putt on
Was referring to shaft length ??
@@ryansmith9283 standard is 35”’but it’s player dependent
@@trottiegolf legend thanks Chris i hope there not majorly different between the 2 how do you measure the shaft length ? is it from bottom of putter or bottom of hosel ?
@@ryansmith9283 bottom of putter, middle of sole
Thanks Trottie! Another solid #tourtrucktuesday video. When I bought my new TM Spider X (chalk) a couple of months back I really struggled with the length during my fitting. I used the mirror to really determine the length and my eyes were too far over the ball with a 34 inch and the 35 inch allowed me to have my eyes directly over the ball. Do you agree this was good logic to go with the 35 inch? I’m only 5’9 and feel the industry would recommend a 34 inch. Also, not to get too off topic, but my logic also going with a 35 inch allows me more flexibility to insert a counter weight if needed into my Superstoke Pistol 1.0 grip and allow me to choke down on the grip to allow the weight to move. Let me know your thoughts. Thanks as always!
I like where your head is at PLYR
I just bought the TM spider GT I’m 5,8 and have always used 35” putters. I was wonder the same thing
Hi Trottie, just picked up a new 34 inch spider x, & my eyes are beyond the ball - is it likely I should have ordered a longer putter? Thanks
yes it would have helped, check how your arms sit before making any changes. This could be fixed my a posture change
@@trottiegolf thanks v much. Silly error really, especially as I’ve used a longer putter for 30 years. On the positive side the new ex & x look great & I can start from scratch re hosel etc at the same time. Any tour guys moved in to them yet? Great video by the way, some really excellent stuff in there👍
@@andy66l97 thx & yes guys are starting to put them in play, always this time of year when we get off the west coast that you'll see a few in the top PLYR's bags
How tall are you?
If you're looking for an angle here then my answer is "tall enough to whip it 25+ past you", if you're being genuine then 5'7 on camera but prolly 5'6 in person :0)
@@trottiegolf LOL! No i wasn't being silly at all, it was a genuine question as I am trying to figure out height to putter length relation. I realize it's more about preferences and wrist to floor being the important measurement. I love your content, keep up the great work!
@@bmunch86 yea and set up pro... lets the hands hang & see where it falls
Remake a putter fitting video!
you are good.
no doubt about that.
you should do this professionally ... ;-).
Thx pro
HA! i always thought i was the weirdo at 33 inch putters.. good to know
Really liked that you provide the “why” behind your recommendations. Question - I’m 6’4” and have a bad back. Struggling to find proper putter length that still allows my eyes over or just inside ball. I’m trying to relieve strain on back while I putt. Was lower handicap
I think eyes just inside the ball & go longer. You cannot putt in pain. Then accept a slight arc in the stroke