The COMAC ARJ21 Is Getting Its First International Operator
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- Опубликовано: 19 янв 2022
- The COMAC ARJ21 is set to get its first international, non-China-based operator. Indonesian carrier TransNusa will take 30 of the regional jets as part of its relaunch next year. The ARJ21 is China’s first domestically made commercial aircraft and is in active use with eight mainland carriers today.
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Not surprising. The ARJ21's main value proposition was always its price: the ARJ21-700 has a list price of $38 million, versus the CRJ1000's $49.58 million, E190-E2's $60.8 million, and A220-100's $91.5 million. I'm sure COMAC is willing to mark their contract prices down like other builders too - if anything, since the Chinese government backs them, they might be able to go lower.
A low-cost carrier starting in a developing country is pretty much the perfect market for an aircraft that's focused on the absolute lowest price possible rather than capability. I'd expect startup airlines in Africa to also seriously consider if not order this plane, provided COMAC proves they can provide adequate parts and support for non-Chinese operators. A track record of bad support is what's killed Russian attempts to market regional jets beyond their borders, so COMAC has to do better.
Agree
Not only favorable price. Cost of operation and maintenance also be calculated. And when you can find those parts in China. Its more effective and economics operating.
Interestingly enough, I now could imagine another market for Chinese airplanes, embargoed countries that can’t get maintain a fleet of western planes without huge compromises like counterfeit 3rd Party spare parts. Russia seems like they are quite concerned over that, considering they just impounded the entire western leasing fleet on their territory and went knocking to Iran to find out how they kept their airlines alive.
You be rest assured China, famed for Belt and Road initiative can easily send the parts to any part of the world at a fraction of cost compare to western world and best of all FAST!
1:28 Translation: first COMAC ARJ-21 for TransNusa. Seen in Shanghai Pudong. Still has yet to receive Indonesian registration.
i flew with Transnusa once in 2020 , just 1 day before COVID-19 quarantine.
they have good strategy back then to open full-service regional short-haul route that no other airline operate that route. they were comparable with short-haul Garuda's flight in term of in-flight service.
it's kinda sad to see Transnusa being re-launced as Low Cost Carrier. but hope the best for this airline and i can't wait to fly with their arj-21
can't wait to fly on a DC-9 of the 21st century
The COMAC ARJ-21 reused the blueprints, just some modifications.
the development of ARJ-21 is related to old MD-80, which was licensed to be built in China in 80's; quite a few have been built to supply the local carriers in China before the joint development program was finally cancelled. However, the tooling & jagging are kept by the Shanghai Aircraft Factory, who's later merged into COMAC.
Amazing COMAC AR J21
I used to flew transnusa on its fokker f-50 on LOP-SWQ route
best choice.
good luck
I wish they lengthen it and fitted it with more economical and silent engines.
Love that Prambanan Tempel on thumbnails
Left hand helping out the right hand basically
The short sector lengths would probably be more economical with a turboprop if they could get a turboprop with higher capacity. What the lower end of the market needs is a 100 seat turboprop with 1000nm range and 350 knot cruise.
Wow, lots of salty comments raining down just because the plane is chinese airplane. My my my, if someday that chinese airplane managed to prove its worth and able to make boeing cry in the corner surely lots of westerners will going to become more saltier than before.
By that time, the "west" will have lost it's power. The 21st century belongs to the East.
This isn't the first domestically-made commercial Chinese aircraft. There are also Chinese-made Xian aircraft that are sold to commercial airlines.
Yes, you remember the MA60. I used to see them at our airport back in highschool. 😃
Reminds me of a Hawker Siddeley model from the 70s. Interesting retro design
I thought the nose (especially) looks like a DC-9 series...
@Pastor Jerry Kliner COMAC ARJ21 has adapted the design slightly from the Undeveloped McDonnell Douglas MD 80/90's Undeveloped Variant you can check on Wikipedia
It was built using old DC9/MD-80 tooling and knowledge "borrowed" (stolen) from other manufacturers
@@greystripe3737 that makes a lot of sense
@@pastorjerrykliner3162 looks almost identical to the Boeing 717
Congrats
Good news for indonesia ..so alot choice of airline for future to fly from bali to jakarta...cheepes cost as well ..safety is priorty first
Indonesian DC-9 is similar of an ARJ21 with winglets and 6 doors
What is the name of the background music?
Oh wow nice!
Who made the rendering of the ARJ-21 COMAC on the CALC website and why on earth did they place windows behind the engines?
Hey put windows behind the engines solely to annoy those economy passengers who only buy tickets when on sale.
As INDONESIAN, I will wait and see......praying nothing will happen.
Oh yeah. Just as i thought because i am from Indonesia🇲🇨 and the pandemic in Indonesia is worse again at the moment
Let's hope this brings some much competition to the airplane duopoly
you are kitting are you?
Sadly no. ARJ21 would compete on different market
Would compete with Embraer and Bombardier duopoly most likely, not Airbus and Boeing
Awesome COMAC!
Awesome COMAC ARJ21!
It’s that time… the return of the legendary DC-9, in its Chinese form! (I’m not kidding, this plane doesn’t look that bad. 😊)
yup!
Well never flew with DC-9s, but managed to fly Lion Air/Wings Air MD-80/90, so hopefully this could fulfill my wish to fly the DC-9 "Next-Gen" variants... LOL
Interjet mexico operated sukoi planes. In the end they were replaced by airbus planes. Parts for maintenance was part of the issue. So it would not be a big take over for the chinese ones either
Air Zimbabwe had several Chinese Xian planes that had all kinds of problems and didn't last very long. Doesn't mean China can't eventually build decent planes, though.
I'm not sure if Russian planes are build with global supplier parts like COMAC, if not, then that maybe the case why they have issues with maintenance and spare parts supplies.
COMAC's ARJ21 is built using global supplier parts mostly western (GE Engines, Rockwell Collins Avionics, Honeywell Flight control, Liebherr aero landing gear systems etc), theoritically the maintenance and parts shouldn't be any issues.
@@fixpacifica yeah one of our Airlines here in Indonesia used to fly Xian MA-60 unfortunately 1 have fatal crashes (all hands losts), and 2 were having incident during landing in a seperate occasion and locations.
Five months have passed, has it been delivered yet？？？？
Proof the dc-9 is the best airliner ever made
well, in 50 years china will be able to copy a a320 and some guy will comment that this is truth that this is the best airliner ever made.
My Comac flight has been permanently bumped.
Does ARJ have an airworthiness certificate issued by the Indonesian government?
I remember 737MAX got it.
Superficially similar to the DC-9
it's indeed developed from MD 90 series, actually 😂
Totally not now thinking about a trip to Indonesia…
You could swim tho...
Nepalese Airlines already flies ARJ 21 gifted by China.
It's not really an overseas order then, is it, considering the Chinese have such a big hand in the airlines value??
Its good to say china md80
Unpopular opinion: I like the ARJ-21
Eh, that plane is basically a mad dog. So why not. I like that plane too.
It's basically a poor imitation of a MD80/Boeing 717, with lower capacity and range
@@osasunaitor And not made by american company
@@osasunaitor they reused the tooling that used to make mad dogs, hence the similar apperance
But i don't like C919 and C929
Is CF34s still worth using beyond 2025?
It's more reliable than PW geared turbofan that caused Bombadier many problems.
@@alexlo7708 But something like GE Passport?
@@dy7296 Actually the present CF34 is not the same old CF34. GE took CFM56 and build it to present CF34 instead.
@@alexlo7708 I know. I know. The newer CF34 has the same core of the CFM56. However, the 56 is now succeeded by the LEAP right? And LEAP's "descaled" version is the GE Passport.
@@dy7296 The smaller the engine is ,the less benefit tecnlogy gap will given to you.
DC-9 still alive
So the mad dog (md-88) is now made in china. Cool story bro.
took that long for it to go international. and its not even a big airline
Hal yang tidak aneh sebetulnya, karena ARJ21 ini memang harganya sangat murah untuk penerbangan domestik dari Jakarta, Bali, dan Yogyakarta
Can't wait to see an ARJ flying over my house
Its sound needs to be reduced a little.......
I was gonna say just turn your volume down but then I realized you were talking about the aircraft.
@@Neilarmeweak550 😂😂
China must have forced Indonesia to buy this under it's belt road initiative.
Lol soon ur third world country will buy it is well to so give a last goodbye to flying monke hanumon to welcome the superior comac lol
Comac >>>>>> engine and wingless monke
I would love to see Delta Connection buy some of these little planes but i doubt that they ever will tho 🤷♂️🤷♂️
All bout politics Thts y m they wouldn’t buy it
Does anyone think this airplane is going to be used all over the world? Or do you think it’s a mainly a Chinese phenomenon?
I know I'd rather flly a 20 years old An2 than this thing.
I expect it will be used by small, third-world airlines using heavy loans from China.
The airplane's main attraction is its price. The ARJ21-700 is $38 million, compared to the CRJ1000's list price of $49.58 million, the E190-E2's $60.8 million, and the A220-100's $91.5 million. It loses out significantly in range to all of them, and is behind the A220-100 in capacity as well. Airlines that can afford to buy the more capable planes - i.e. non-Chinese legacy carriers and first-world startup airlines - will not be interested.
Only by China affiliated countries that China will subsidized the aircraft. There are much better aircraft options out there and the plane has poor reliability.
Mainly in service within China, countries was strong business links to China and developing countries that don’t have much cash to spend on modernising their aviation sector. Same goes for the C919
The ARJ-21 looks like a counterfeit Fokker F70.
it was built using old MD80 tooling and "borrowed" (stolen) knowledge from other manufacturers
Since this plane is basically a dc9 I hope it suceedes even outside of 3rd world countries
The ARJ21 is basically a poor imitation (Made in China) of a Boeing 717 / MD 80. It has the same design but lower range and capacity than these planes despite being 30 years newer, and don't even try to compare it to an Airbus 220...
I only imagine the Comac being successful in China and surrounding markets with Chinese investment like this Indonesian airline.
The ARJ21-700 has a list price of $38 million compared to the A220-100's list price of $91.5 million. I would assume COMAC is also just as if not more willing than Airbus to mark their planes down below list price when actually inking a deal. For third-world and second-world startup airlines, 15% less seats probably isn't a big deal since the low average income means few people can afford to fly anyways, and half the range at less than half the price might be worth it.
Save 15% fuel or 20%
While the rest express their well wishes, it's always nice to see someone trying to compete against market giants, There is always someone that hates. Smh.
@@lanzortiz3199 If you want to compete, do it well. Don't copy a decades old western design and still manage to make it worse. Where's the innovation? This ARJ brings nothing new to the table
@@osasunaitor stop lying and just say you hate them, it's your personal opinion anyway. But for fair comparison, the md 80 was not a regional jet. Short haul, It was like a 737 during that era. The arj21 is a regional jet, it has the same performance as the crj, mrj etc. so it fly shorter and carry less passenger. Btw The main point of this is learning, you expect a new airplane maker to create something better than giants who ruled the aviation industry for more then 50 years? It's about learning. They gotta start somewhere, then innovate further. That's how they started with cellphone, cars etc. Now those things they do are vsry good. Also, it's about economy. Protecting their industry being dominated by A foreign company. They have the biggest aviation market in the world, if they can make sure that market only uses chinese planes, then For the moment it's a win. Then 10 years ahead Maybe compete globally. I think you understand this as well, your just too blinded by the hate.
This thing can't fly into known icing conditions or something?
Don't forget to buy life insurance!
Hey simple flying there was a incident happened in Bangalore where a near mid air collision averted.. This happened in Jan 7 ....Any update do you have
Did they go bankrupt to ditch turboprops and acquire turbofans? Good idea 👍🤨
I saw the wikepedia page for the airine and was confused on why did they sell theyre turboprops and only have 1 singular 320neo
I think they are opting for faster travel time as turboprops are much slower that turbofans. Meaning less air time, and quicker flight cycles so quicker profit flow.
They're rebranding and re-established their service model. Investment from LinkAsia also made them possible to grow quicker with turbofan aircraft making easier to reach more destination
I wish our us airlines order and uk too.
Chinese Made Aircraft, I don't know
but I am not seeing it in my neighboring airport soon anyway
It just looks like a fake MD-80…
It’s license built and based on the MD-80!
The plane was Made using MD-80 tooling from McDonnell Douglas back when MD-80 was Licensed built in China
@@WNDWSTIDN And the problem with that?
@@thomasdollard7971 nope
Yall see anything with a T tail and call it a knockoff MD80
Look at it from the side, the cockpit windows totally looks like a MadDog
Maybe it looks like a Maddog because it’s a license built aircraft?
They acquired the rights for the blueprints and for a short period of time the MD-80 itself was license built in China!
this one_is_ actually based on the MD80.
What defeats me is that people are comparing it all the other T tails that aren't DC -9s lol.
this one _is_ actually based on the MD80.
What defeats me is that people are comparing it all the other T tails that aren't DC -9s lol.
The fuselage is the same, made with the same tooling from back in the 90s when they made MD-90s there but modified for regional jet purposes. China of course denies this though
Congrats to China 🇨🇳👍
Tag on the plane
MADE IN CHINA
HECHO EN CHINA
FABRIQUÉ EN CHINE
🤣🤣🤣
And you use fawking phone which made in China, betch
Awesome Indonesia to get the first foreign COMAC plane!
Embraer would have been a better choice for them. Sayin'.
Not at all, Embraer can't back them up in any way
This is good news for China, Indonesia and the world!
DC-9 but made in China
Jg Rsb......Hahaha.....your jealousy of the success of China's ARJ21 plane is certainly of another level.
Nobody knows when the market for air travel will bounce back, if ever. No medical authority has declared the pandemic to be over. And the virus is still mutating.
the flu is a pandemic dude, we will eventually just have to live with covid as we do influenza
Once again China demonstrating that they don’t know what copyright infringement is. That does look like a close copy of the Bombardier CRJ aircraft, but just so that you don’t notice China have cleverly called it the ARJ...
The plane wasn't copy at all. It uses MD-80 tooling from McDonnell Douglas back when MD-80 was Made under License in China. Though Comac claimed it as their own design.
Don't know about the airline, but this aircraft is clearly a strong mockup of the Boeing md-88. Such a mockery is a turn off.
Well, they re-used the tooling previously used to make mad dogs/anggry puppy (717), hence the similar apperance
COMAC used old dc-9/md-80 tooling they had acquired and knowlege "borrowed" (stolen) from other manufacturers.
@@greystripe3737 yeah, that's what they look like. Won't catch me flying on those things.
Looks like a copy of the DC 9.
Actually it's not copy at all. The plane was made using MD-80 tooling back when MD-80 was Licensed built in China. This makes the plane looks similar with DC-9, though COMAC claimed itself as "original design".
...lol...
中国商飞支楞起来了
Hello Be careful because Indonesian netizens are overpround
Not until R-80 appears here somehow
Boeing: heh heh, these guys are probably going to go nowhere, they’re probably just going to sell a few aircraft and cease operations in like-
Airlines: buys hundreds of arj21’s
Boeing: heh, heh, at least they aren’t going interna-
Transnusa: ok 30 plz
Comac: ok
Boeing brought this on itself. A new 737 would have kept everyone happy, but they had to try the cheap and easy route.
The ARJ21 isn’t a 737 competitor. Totally different market segments.
@@asystole_ that's also a problem, because Boeing doesn't have a product to compete on this segment anymore
@@asystole_ This isn't the plane COMAC wants to build, this is the one they managed to build. Do you really think it stops with this model?
China wants to be a serious competitor in the commercial airline industry. This has nothing to do with 737s.
@@fixpacifica If China wanted to make raincoats, and the American maker of raincoats didn't have a clue how to make them any more, that would leave an opening. Just as the dying Boeing corp is leaving an opening for COMAC.
A chinese made plane? seriously?
Yes
Dos de Yamaguchi......China has successfully landed a rover on planet Mars, one of only two countries in the world to do so after the US. So what's the big deal about a China build commercial plane? In fact, the ARJ21 has already proven itself to be reliable passenger plane after having flown for seven years in China by several Chinese airline companies without a single crash. That is why it has been approved for use in Indonesia by the Indonesian civil aviation authority. And the first flight in Indonesia from Jakarta to Bali successfully flown on 19 April 2023.
LONG LIFE CCP HAHAHA.. ONLY CCP CAN DEFEAT BOEING DOMINATION HAHAHA
A feature of this plane is that all wifi is monitored by the Chinese government and any criticism of XI Jinping activates a special door which forcefully ejects you from the plane.