Fantastic discovey. Explains a lot about why these clone FTB brakes don't perform properly. PS, I made the mistake of opening up my Aldebaran's brakes and having to reinstall the springs. Not easy is an understatement.
Not easy at all! I do think this issue is isolated to newer production dark wolf ultra sun an attempt to fix the “weak” braking performance many people were experiencing with earlier batches. That being said, implementing a “quick” fix that disables the dynamic nature of the fake ftb is quite disappointing…
Hey soevasive, I can try to help to the best of my ability. Can you fill me in on what the situation is? A bit confused as to why you are doing this to your Curado? If you want to chat off of RUclips that’s also fine too. Email me at bfsfishingchannel@gmail.com if you prefer. Cheers my friend!
Haha yep you’re right. These early videos I made are pretty cringey to me 😅😅😅. Turns out though that the LH DWU don’t work even if you revert them to a dynamic state. The OEM failed to mirror the fake FTB system properly and so the brake shoes actually move inwards away from the spool as the spool accelerates. So… for LH reel owners this modification is moot sadly… Paul over at Fishing Discoveries made a really great video explaining why this is the case. Cheers my friend!
@@BFSFISHINGCHANNEL yea I was curious if this was a LHW issue like the BK2 has. I'm having a few minor issues with my BK2. Braid gets caught in brake hub with no spool free play. Also U think mine is static brakes and wonder if the magnet upgrade will help even the RHW brakes
@@yep.fishing afaik the bk2 is a DWU clone and so it also suffers from the LH models not having their ftb brakes mirrored correctly… as far as whether your model is static vs dynamic, try looking at your brake shoes. If you can see a spring in that small channel or if the shoe can move in and outwards then it’s dynamic. If you bought your bk2 relatively recently then chances are it’s a static version. Static versions don’t need more magnets as they increased the magnet strength. The dynamic ones do because their magnets are a bit weaker. Finally, I haven’t heard of many folks having issues with line getting between their spool. What kind of line are you using and how much are you spooling? If you go too thin this could be the issue but also if you have too much line that could also be an issue. I prefer to stay around 0.6goh or 0.128mm diameter braid and I typically only spool up to 50m of line. Iirc I’ve only had one time when I got line stuck between the spool and frame. Hope that helps and cheers!
@@BFSFISHINGCHANNEL hwy I'm using 6lb J Braid which is apparently .06mm and it's fully spooled. Btw Andrew Knots 4k had a video on this same issue with his DWU. He just went up to .14mm
@@yep.fishing yes what you’re using is close to 0.1 or 0.2 goh which is very thin. By sizing up you should be good and not run into this issue. Hope that helps! Cheers!
The way the sideplate is set on the table, the spool is spinning counter clockwise when making a cast. So the hinge on the brake mechanism is on the wrong side, the brake mechanism is backwards. The hinge should be on the left side and the spring on the right. On shimano ftb reels it’s like that, the hinge is on the front side and the rear side is the side that is spring loaded and rises up. Chinese engineering, copied but made as mirrored
Hi! Thanks so much for your comment. You are very correct in that the manufacturer did not copy the system correctly. That being said, I’m not sure how much of a difference that that would actually make. The idea is still the same in that the shoes will move outwards as the spool speed picks up. Unfortunately, I don’t have a means to actually test this as well. What do you think?
@@BFSFISHINGCHANNEL hard to imagine that it works dynamically since it tilts opposite to what the spool rotates. Shimano engineered it tilting to the same direction as the spool spins for a reason i guess
@@jiihoo5588 if the system didn’t work then the spool wouldn’t slow but I can assure you that it does. Whether it’s less efficient than the “correct” direction is something I can’t verify. The only way would be to get a LH and RH version of the DWU that has the dynamic brakes and test cast both. Unfortunately, I only have my LH model. I do have a different clone of the DWU that has a traditional static brake system that I hope to test my DWU against.
This does not work on the left hand models. It will actually make your brakes weaker. The brake shoes are physically the same on both right and left handed models, which, is actually a problem and why they revised the brakes to begin with. The real Shimano FTB systems brakes are mirrored on the left hand version so that the brake shoe pivot points will be in the proper direction to force the magnets closer as the spool spins faster. Since the spool is essentially rotating in the opposite direction on the left hand models from the view point of the brakes at least, this means the Dark Wolf left hand models with the right hand braking system are always static. And since the stop pin was cut in this case the brakes are now slightly further away from the spool resulting in weaker brakes. Fishing Discoveries has a really good video on this.
Hey Kevin! Thank you for sharing! I actually was mentioned in Paul’s video and am very good friends with him. I believe in a few of the later videos I made on this that I explain that this does not on LH models and actually reference and link to Paul’s video 🙌🙌🙌. Nevertheless, you can still make the RH versions back into dynamic brakes but I also found that the LH model I reverted worked fine as well. So… I’m not sure how big of an impact the style of braking system has in this case. Anywho, I really appreciate you taking the to share! Thanks so much and cheers!
@@BFSFISHINGCHANNEL Oh ok nice! I really wish Tsurinoya was able to make a proper mirrored system for the left hand models. I’d gladly pay a tad more for one if they did. Either way, it seems to work great. I am considering trying the new Genius with the more traditional magnetic brakes next.
Hey Kevin! Yea I really do too… well… if you’re considering the Tsurinoya Genius also take a look at the Soloking Acura. They’re nearly identical except in gear ratio and that the Acura offers a deep spool as an extra. I have review videos on both of these reels if you’re interested. Cheers!
Я добавил на каждую колодку Dark Wolf Ultra по 2 магнита 0,5 мм и переставил пружины с Fishband Brilliance GH100 на Dark Wolf Ultra, потому что у первого пружины слабее чем на Dark Wolf Ultra. После этих переделок забросы минимальных весов с каушкой Dark Wolf Ultra стали очень комфортны. I added 2 0.5 mm magnets to each Dark Wolf Ultra pad and switched the springs from Fishband Brilliance GH100 to Dark Wolf Ultra, because the former has weaker springs than Dark Wolf Ultra. After these alterations, casting of minimal weights with the Dark Wolf Ultra coil became very comfortable.
@@BFSFISHINGCHANNEL Hello! I have an old version, with dynamic FTB brakes - knobs on the right (KF-50SR). If you compare the springs of the Fishband Brilliance GH100 and Dark Wolf Ultra, you can see that the Dark Wolf Ultra has stiffer springs.
@@staryi5119 that’s great! I recently found that it seems that LH DWU that have dynamic brakes may actually not be working as intended. Since Tsurinoya just copied the direction of the brake shoes from the RH model it may be the case that the shoes are actually pushed away from the spool as line is leaving the reel. Anyhow, thank you for the comment and cheers!
Good morning :) I have done the bearing upgrades, but with low lure weights 1-3gr I have a lot of trouble while throwing. Because I h ave one of the static LH ones I am unsure of what to do. I would have tried to make the update using the springs, but if it worsens the brake it will mess it up even more.. Do you have any recommendations? Should i simply replace the magnets but not install springs?
@@gamefixxer5974 hey game! Hm… if you’re having that many issues I wonder if you have tried adding spool tension to your casts? See if that helps smooth out your casts. Additionally, you can consider adding some magnets(if possible) to your existing ones. Look for 4mm(diameter) x 0.5mm(thickness) N52 magnets. You may or may not be able to get some out on top of your existing ones as the space between the existing magnets and your spool might not be the best. In my experience, I was able to get a few added without having them scrape the inside of the spool but it was random as the overall height of the preexisting magnets is not exactly equal. I would suggest not doing the spring modification as it is not easy and I don’t think it will really help much in this case. Try spool tension and also consider the 4x0.5mm magnets. Hope that helps! Cheers my friend!
@@BFSFISHINGCHANNEL thank you so much, I will try and keep you up to date! As for spool tension, I did brake with my thumb during the cast, but this made the range rather short (1-3metres). Is there a mechanical way of increasing the spool tension?
Hi, your videos are great! Question : have you tried to use a homemade spring? It can be easily made from a stainless steel wire, and you can adjust the tension. And you do not need to worry if it flies off.
Hi there! I have not tried a homemade spring yet as I have no experience with this. It does sound like a good alternative to purchasing a spring. Do you have any information, that you can share, on wire gauge? Thanks again!
@@BFSFISHINGCHANNEL Since it is a very small spring, you have to find a stainless steel wire of less than 30/100 diameter ("piano" wire that you can find at any good fishing store) and a shaft /mandrel of less than 1mm diameter (could be a drill bit or a needle). Block the wire with the shaft inside the drill chuck, and press the button on the drill to slowly bend/turn the wire around the shaft. You can even only use pliers to turn the wire around the shaft by hand since it is very small. You just need a few coils on the spring.
@@qtn9279 hi! Wow that sounds intense! I’m not saying it can’t be done but I might not be the person to do this haha. Anyhow, I appreciate the information and I hope some of the other viewers can get some useful information out of this. Thanks again!
@@qtn9279 halo brother dapatkah kamu membantuku dengan video? bagaimana memperbaiki brake nya saya dari Indonesia mungkin pengalamanmu akan sangat membantu 🇲🇨🇲🇨🇲🇨
it would appear to me that cutting the bottom peg moves the brakes farther out and although creates dynamic, it will not go to the max brake that it was on before as it doesnt appear it can travel the full distance to the top peg with the spring on it. so you have reduced the brakes by my view.
Hi! Thanks so much for your comment! Actually, the top peg can still allow the brake shoe to fully extend even with the spring. The spring, when compressed, is the same height the top peg is. The spring needs the top peg to act as a seat/guide to keep it in place inside of the channel. If you were to cut the top peg the brake shoes would extend further and make contact with the inside of the spool. I hope that explanation makes sense! Thanks again for watching!
Hi, I notice that you have upgraded the spool bearing and side bearing. did you remember the bear size? I want to upgrade the bearing after I enhance the magnet.
@@df42388 yea you will need 2. 1 for the side plate and 1 for the spool. Please take care when removing the e-clip on the spool as it is very easy to lose and very very small. Cheers!
Glad you kept at it.
Fantastic discovey. Explains a lot about why these clone FTB brakes don't perform properly. PS, I made the mistake of opening up my Aldebaran's brakes and having to reinstall the springs. Not easy is an understatement.
Not easy at all! I do think this issue is isolated to newer production dark wolf ultra sun an attempt to fix the “weak” braking performance many people were experiencing with earlier batches. That being said, implementing a “quick” fix that disables the dynamic nature of the fake ftb is quite disappointing…
Man I came here looking for a solution
Did this on my curado and the magnets keep grabbing the small spring. I'm gonna lose it.
Hey soevasive, I can try to help to the best of my ability. Can you fill me in on what the situation is? A bit confused as to why you are doing this to your Curado? If you want to chat off of RUclips that’s also fine too. Email me at bfsfishingchannel@gmail.com if you prefer. Cheers my friend!
@BFSFISHINGCHANNEL okay I will. Thought I needed to remove the plate to get the bearing out for cleaning.
@@BFSFISHINGCHANNEL sent you a message
1:01 static is probably the word you were looking for
Haha yep you’re right. These early videos I made are pretty cringey to me 😅😅😅. Turns out though that the LH DWU don’t work even if you revert them to a dynamic state. The OEM failed to mirror the fake FTB system properly and so the brake shoes actually move inwards away from the spool as the spool accelerates. So… for LH reel owners this modification is moot sadly… Paul over at Fishing Discoveries made a really great video explaining why this is the case. Cheers my friend!
@@BFSFISHINGCHANNEL yea I was curious if this was a LHW issue like the BK2 has. I'm having a few minor issues with my BK2. Braid gets caught in brake hub with no spool free play. Also U think mine is static brakes and wonder if the magnet upgrade will help even the RHW brakes
@@yep.fishing afaik the bk2 is a DWU clone and so it also suffers from the LH models not having their ftb brakes mirrored correctly… as far as whether your model is static vs dynamic, try looking at your brake shoes. If you can see a spring in that small channel or if the shoe can move in and outwards then it’s dynamic. If you bought your bk2 relatively recently then chances are it’s a static version. Static versions don’t need more magnets as they increased the magnet strength. The dynamic ones do because their magnets are a bit weaker. Finally, I haven’t heard of many folks having issues with line getting between their spool. What kind of line are you using and how much are you spooling? If you go too thin this could be the issue but also if you have too much line that could also be an issue. I prefer to stay around 0.6goh or 0.128mm diameter braid and I typically only spool up to 50m of line. Iirc I’ve only had one time when I got line stuck between the spool and frame. Hope that helps and cheers!
@@BFSFISHINGCHANNEL hwy I'm using 6lb J Braid which is apparently .06mm and it's fully spooled. Btw Andrew Knots 4k had a video on this same issue with his DWU. He just went up to .14mm
@@yep.fishing yes what you’re using is close to 0.1 or 0.2 goh which is very thin. By sizing up you should be good and not run into this issue. Hope that helps! Cheers!
Thanks for Great Job!! I'm gonna follow your instruction!
Glad I was able to help!
Trying to figure out comments
The way the sideplate is set on the table, the spool is spinning counter clockwise when making a cast. So the hinge on the brake mechanism is on the wrong side, the brake mechanism is backwards. The hinge should be on the left side and the spring on the right. On shimano ftb reels it’s like that, the hinge is on the front side and the rear side is the side that is spring loaded and rises up. Chinese engineering, copied but made as mirrored
Hi! Thanks so much for your comment. You are very correct in that the manufacturer did not copy the system correctly. That being said, I’m not sure how much of a difference that that would actually make. The idea is still the same in that the shoes will move outwards as the spool speed picks up. Unfortunately, I don’t have a means to actually test this as well. What do you think?
@@BFSFISHINGCHANNEL hard to imagine that it works dynamically since it tilts opposite to what the spool rotates. Shimano engineered it tilting to the same direction as the spool spins for a reason i guess
@@jiihoo5588 if the system didn’t work then the spool wouldn’t slow but I can assure you that it does. Whether it’s less efficient than the “correct” direction is something I can’t verify. The only way would be to get a LH and RH version of the DWU that has the dynamic brakes and test cast both. Unfortunately, I only have my LH model. I do have a different clone of the DWU that has a traditional static brake system that I hope to test my DWU against.
Thanks for the info. Pity the spring is no longer fitted. Glad I did not purchase the reel now.
Glad I could help! The reel is still a solid reel imho. Just not as great as it was before when it had the springs…
This does not work on the left hand models. It will actually make your brakes weaker. The brake shoes are physically the same on both right and left handed models, which, is actually a problem and why they revised the brakes to begin with. The real Shimano FTB systems brakes are mirrored on the left hand version so that the brake shoe pivot points will be in the proper direction to force the magnets closer as the spool spins faster. Since the spool is essentially rotating in the opposite direction on the left hand models from the view point of the brakes at least, this means the Dark Wolf left hand models with the right hand braking system are always static. And since the stop pin was cut in this case the brakes are now slightly further away from the spool resulting in weaker brakes.
Fishing Discoveries has a really good video on this.
Hey Kevin! Thank you for sharing! I actually was mentioned in Paul’s video and am very good friends with him. I believe in a few of the later videos I made on this that I explain that this does not on LH models and actually reference and link to Paul’s video 🙌🙌🙌. Nevertheless, you can still make the RH versions back into dynamic brakes but I also found that the LH model I reverted worked fine as well. So… I’m not sure how big of an impact the style of braking system has in this case. Anywho, I really appreciate you taking the to share! Thanks so much and cheers!
@@BFSFISHINGCHANNEL Oh ok nice! I really wish Tsurinoya was able to make a proper mirrored system for the left hand models. I’d gladly pay a tad more for one if they did. Either way, it seems to work great. I am considering trying the new Genius with the more traditional magnetic brakes next.
Hey Kevin! Yea I really do too… well… if you’re considering the Tsurinoya Genius also take a look at the Soloking Acura. They’re nearly identical except in gear ratio and that the Acura offers a deep spool as an extra. I have review videos on both of these reels if you’re interested. Cheers!
Я добавил на каждую колодку Dark Wolf Ultra по 2 магнита 0,5 мм и переставил пружины с Fishband Brilliance GH100 на Dark Wolf Ultra, потому что у первого пружины слабее чем на Dark Wolf Ultra. После этих переделок забросы минимальных весов с каушкой Dark Wolf Ultra стали очень комфортны.
I added 2 0.5 mm magnets to each Dark Wolf Ultra pad and switched the springs from Fishband Brilliance GH100 to Dark Wolf Ultra, because the former has weaker springs than Dark Wolf Ultra. After these alterations, casting of minimal weights with the Dark Wolf Ultra coil became very comfortable.
Hi Staryi! Do you happen to know if you had the older version of the DWU with dynamic brakes? Also, LH or RH version?
@@BFSFISHINGCHANNEL Hello! I have an old version, with dynamic FTB brakes - knobs on the right (KF-50SR).
If you compare the springs of the Fishband Brilliance GH100 and Dark Wolf Ultra, you can see that the Dark Wolf Ultra has stiffer springs.
@@staryi5119 that’s great! I recently found that it seems that LH DWU that have dynamic brakes may actually not be working as intended. Since Tsurinoya just copied the direction of the brake shoes from the RH model it may be the case that the shoes are actually pushed away from the spool as line is leaving the reel. Anyhow, thank you for the comment and cheers!
@@BFSFISHINGCHANNEL Yes, the left hand reel has brake problems.
@@staryi5119 yes I wonder if it’s because the eddy currents have a directional effect… I’d like to see if there is a solution to his if possible.
Good morning :) I have done the bearing upgrades, but with low lure weights 1-3gr I have a lot of trouble while throwing. Because I h ave one of the static LH ones I am unsure of what to do. I would have tried to make the update using the springs, but if it worsens the brake it will mess it up even more.. Do you have any recommendations? Should i simply replace the magnets but not install springs?
@@gamefixxer5974 hey game! Hm… if you’re having that many issues I wonder if you have tried adding spool tension to your casts? See if that helps smooth out your casts. Additionally, you can consider adding some magnets(if possible) to your existing ones. Look for 4mm(diameter) x 0.5mm(thickness) N52 magnets. You may or may not be able to get some out on top of your existing ones as the space between the existing magnets and your spool might not be the best. In my experience, I was able to get a few added without having them scrape the inside of the spool but it was random as the overall height of the preexisting magnets is not exactly equal. I would suggest not doing the spring modification as it is not easy and I don’t think it will really help much in this case. Try spool tension and also consider the 4x0.5mm magnets. Hope that helps! Cheers my friend!
@@BFSFISHINGCHANNEL thank you so much, I will try and keep you up to date! As for spool tension, I did brake with my thumb during the cast, but this made the range rather short (1-3metres). Is there a mechanical way of increasing the spool tension?
@@gamefixxer5974 hey game! Yep! The little knob next to the handle will add spool tension. Cheers my friend!
@@BFSFISHINGCHANNEL oh thank you so much, I will test this aswell!
@@gamefixxer5974 hey game! Let me know how it goes! Cheers my friend!
Hi, your videos are great! Question : have you tried to use a homemade spring? It can be easily made from a stainless steel wire, and you can adjust the tension. And you do not need to worry if it flies off.
Hi there! I have not tried a homemade spring yet as I have no experience with this. It does sound like a good alternative to purchasing a spring. Do you have any information, that you can share, on wire gauge? Thanks again!
@@BFSFISHINGCHANNEL Since it is a very small spring, you have to find a stainless steel wire of less than 30/100 diameter ("piano" wire that you can find at any good fishing store) and a shaft /mandrel of less than 1mm diameter (could be a drill bit or a needle). Block the wire with the shaft inside the drill chuck, and press the button on the drill to slowly bend/turn the wire around the shaft. You can even only use pliers to turn the wire around the shaft by hand since it is very small. You just need a few coils on the spring.
@@qtn9279 hi! Wow that sounds intense! I’m not saying it can’t be done but I might not be the person to do this haha. Anyhow, I appreciate the information and I hope some of the other viewers can get some useful information out of this. Thanks again!
@@qtn9279 halo brother dapatkah kamu membantuku dengan video? bagaimana memperbaiki brake nya
saya dari Indonesia
mungkin pengalamanmu akan sangat membantu
🇲🇨🇲🇨🇲🇨
it would appear to me that cutting the bottom peg moves the brakes farther out and although creates dynamic, it will not go to the max brake that it was on before as it doesnt appear it can travel the full distance to the top peg with the spring on it. so you have reduced the brakes by my view.
Hi! Thanks so much for your comment! Actually, the top peg can still allow the brake shoe to fully extend even with the spring. The spring, when compressed, is the same height the top peg is. The spring needs the top peg to act as a seat/guide to keep it in place inside of the channel. If you were to cut the top peg the brake shoes would extend further and make contact with the inside of the spool. I hope that explanation makes sense! Thanks again for watching!
Спасибо! Добрый человек!)
Glad you enjoyed the video! Cheers!
Hi, I notice that you have upgraded the spool bearing and side bearing. did you remember the bear size? I want to upgrade the bearing after I enhance the magnet.
I have another video on the DWU that has all of the bearing sizes! Let me find a link.
ruclips.net/video/mRT50p8yaE4/видео.html
@@BFSFISHINGCHANNEL I think I found it from your latest video. thx~
@@user-lm7kg8qg3m awesome! Glad you were able to find it.
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Cuáles son los rodamientos de la bobina
Hi there! They should be 3x8x4mm
@@BFSFISHINGCHANNEL los 2
@@df42388 yea you will need 2. 1 for the side plate and 1 for the spool. Please take care when removing the e-clip on the spool as it is very easy to lose and very very small. Cheers!
@@BFSFISHINGCHANNEL cuáles serían el diámetro interior y exterior y espesor
@@df42388 hi I’m not sure what you’re referring to. Do you mean the bearing or the reel?