Star Wars FINALLY Reveals Why The Jedi Never Returned for Shmi Skywalker
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This made me wish the Jedi Order in the prequels were much more proactive in keeping peace in the galaxy, putting an end to slave operations and spice trade. Maybe then, the Jedi would be viewed positively by the general public.
Definitely would have made Order 66 more difficult.
The problem with the Jedi during this era was their integration with the Republic government. Since they worked closely with the judiciary and served as emissaries on diplomatic missions, external political entities such as the Hutts saw the Jedi as dignitaries or representatives of the Republic. This was problematic because it prohibited the Jedi to interfere with governments outside the Republic's jurisdiction. Slavery was practiced amongst the Hutts and the jedi feared interference would have caused an unnecessary war between the Hutts and the Republic so they allowed it with the excuse of a necessary evil. The Jedi could no longer function as an independent neutral entity and heavily relied on the Republic for resources. The Jedi were already given prime real estate on the higher levels of Coruscant for their temple, were given financial resources for their missions and were allowed to abduct children born within Republic Space who had proven to be force sensitive without their parent's consent.
They gave their balls to the Senate and their dogmatic organization didn't help much either that's why the force want both Jedi and sith extinguish from the galaxy
Order 66 would not happened if the Order had a little of empathy to the people. The problem with the Jedi was Palpatine blocking they force sight. With that, they were capable of see the future, but without that, they were basically a bunch of dumb priests incapable of think out of the box (exaclty because they didn´t had emotions). Ahsoka expulsion is just the greatest example of that.
They really thought that expelling Ahsoka from the Order, even though they were aware of her innocence, would have no impact on the council and Anakin's relationship. And even as an institutional thought, it is stupid. The Jedi were already in bad view becausee of the bombing, whether or not keeping Ahsoka in the Order would give the same result when they captured the real culprit. Detaining her in the temple and starting their own investigation was also an option, but the Order basically acted as the Senate's bitch and delivered Ahsoka.@@WolfeSaber9933
They openly took part in the slave trading, read the books..
Qui-Gon is such a great speculation machine. He is the embodiment of "Chaotic Good" where he will directly defy all law, order, and social conventions for an actual greater good. The whole chance cube scene itself illustrates this, in that he was willing to cheat for what he knew was necessary. Absolutely goated character
Although in that instance a Lawful Good character could have done the same thing. It was pretty obvious that Watto offered to use his own chance cube because it was loaded. Since he was cheating anyway (which is not Lawful), there was no reason not to take the Good action.
Actually qui-gon didn't make the cube land blue, he simply negated watto's cheating and allowed the will of the force to prevail
Is it cheating when you cheat someone who is cheating you?
@@SolarinDay - Arguably it could be a moral lesson (or a punishment) for the original cheater. Just because you're Lawful Good doesn't mean you should knowingly accept being swindled. This where the difference between Lawful Good and Lawful Stupid is.
Watto was probably being so brazen *because* Qui-Gon was an off-worlder and thus he assumed he would be gullible. A local would have been suspicious from the start and might have just put a blaster bolt into him even if the cube came up red.
@@TheWanderingXer - The key there being a "healthy, safe world". Depending on which EU sources you believe, Palpatine was already aware of Anakin, or would become so soon. This may have been an inescapable destiny. If the Jedi hadn't taken Anakin in, then the only difference would have been that Palpatine would have had to inconvenience himself to provide basic Force training before moving on to the Sith stuff. It wouldn't have been hard to have Anakin abducted after all, even on a nicer world. The kid was a ticking time bomb all along. The Jedi just made it worse with their mishandling of him.
I think what would have helped Anakin a great deal is to get Shmi out of slavery and letting Anakin know that his mother is safe and sound while also telling him that he would not be able to see her until he finished his training. That would at least be some kind of relief for him while not actively supporting the attachment to his mother and it would help him concentrate.
My thoughts exactly. As long as Anakin at least knew his mother was some place safe and sound, he would’ve been able to keep to control his emotions better and stay focused. She probably would’ve settled on a more peaceful world like Naboo or Alderaan than a busy one like Coruscant.
Why should Anakin be given special privileges like that and no one else. That would be unfair to those who never even got to know their parents.
Palpatine would definitely have learned of how important she was to Anakin and would found a way to use her to turn him toward the dark side.
@@kibauno Well first, all the Jedi who never got to know their parents, really wouldn't care. And second, Anakin is the Chosen One, you'd think ensuring his mental health would be a priority
@@SpiralDragoon exactly.
Every time I'm reminded, is why the Clone War Era is a tragic era.
So many innocent people died because of the inexcusable actions of Palpatine/Sidious for orchestrating everything of course, but also the inexcusable actions of a few heartless people who were supposed to be Jedi but went against everything they stood for. This was just terrible. Those heartless few were making excuses, and it cost the lives of innocent people out there in their galaxy, including almost the lives of every good and innocent Jedi that was a part of their order.😠😔😮💨
Obi-Wan and Yoda felt the enormous weight of their mistakes, Obi-Wan especially.
Obi-Wan realized he wasn't a good person for the things he allowed to happen in the Order and a really bad friend & brother to Anikan, including Ahsoka.
That's why his redemption relies with Luke to fix all the things he's done. He became a better mentor after that.
What about Yoda?
I honestly think that if they had saved his mother Anakin would have stopped worrying about her and found peace. I mean think about it he knew exactly what his mother was going through and how she felt and he more than likely had survivor's guilt for leaving. If they had freed her and found a place were she could be safe it would have made it so much easier for him to let her go. Especially since Shmi wanted and supported him to become a Jedi. By not saving her they created a problem that could have been totally avoided.
Believe Jabba would’ve been open to the Jedi purchasing her. An oddity for sure but he would’ve just raised the price. He a giant slug but he’s a man of business. This one transaction wouldn’t harm any of his operations at all & it avoids conflict
Why didn't Padme come after the battle of Naboo and buy and free Shmi as a thank you to anakin for blowing up the droid control ship?
It makes sense for the Jedi to not care about Shmi since they discouraged attachment within their own ranks. Saving Shmi would kind of support the attachment Anakin has with his mother and that is something the Jedi didn't allow. I think Padme should have been the one to make a timely effort to save Shimi from slavery. Anakin did ALOT for her and the people of Naboo. It was Anakin who won the Podrace to get the accepted currency for the parts they needed to repair their stranded ship, it was Anakin who successfully destroyed the Trade Federation control ship in order for the Naboo to win the battle which resulted in economic prosperity since Naboo was no longer bound to the contracts with the Trade Federation for their plasma and could now sell them at fair market price. In the comics Padme's decoy/handmaiden revealed that they actually tried to save Shmi but was too late. Padme didn't make it her priority to help Shmi who could have had a better life on Naboo and it was the least Padme could do for all the help Anakin has done for her planet. Although Tatooine did not accept Republic credits, I am sure the Naboo could have exchanged huttese currency in outside markets or offer their own abundant resources that the hutts would be interested in (spice, plasma, food). Heck, the N-1 Starfighter Anakin used to save Naboo was probably worth enough to pay for Shmi's freedom which is not much to spare since a handful of N-1 Starfighters were destroyed anyway during the battle.
Qui Gon would have gone back
Padma did go back and was going to free her but she had already been freed. Padma just could find her. It was one of the marvel comics
@@ambercartier-page8525 she didn’t make it her immediate priority which is why she missed out on buying Shmi’s freedom! Watto didn’t want to lose another slave and kept her for many years before selling her to Lars. That was enough time for Padme to purchase her back!
@@jon6309 you do relized the whole was spent re building Naboo well she was queen, which was extremely slow due to the planet not trust senate as well she wasn't allowed to leave and was using all her own restores to rebuild . when she became a senator her first act was to find a way to end slavery and used her power to try of freed her. as queen of naboo after the destruction she had nothing to buy her with as ell due to economy issues.
@@ambercartier-page8525 how hard was is it send a few hand maidens on a mission to buy Shmi out? It’s not a project that takes a decade to fulfill especially since Tatooine was very close by and if her duties as Queen took up so much time she could simply tell her staff to do it for her! It’s either she lacked common sense or she was selfish to prioritize herself before the person who actually helped her out first. Without the assistance of Anakin she would have NOTHING to rebuild as you claim! Your excuses for Padme is feeble and if you adhere to those excuses as a worker I can’t imagine you lasting at a simple job! It would probably take you 50 years to turn on your computer to work since you feel entitled that you have other tasks to focus on 🤣
After leaving Tatooine, they went to Coruscant and then pretty much immediately returned to Naboo where he ultimately died. How many letters did Qui-Gon Jinn write during that short time? Perhaps it was Obi Wan who continued to contact Shmi Skywalker? It also probably did not help that the producers decided to drop the Midichlorians from the storyline...
While the Jedi are definitely complicit in Shmi's death a large part of the reason why they became so politicized was due to Sith machinations. Going back to Tenebrous if not further back...
Well hopefully Luke is trying to do right by the errors the original Jedi order made and follow Qui Gon’s example and follow the will of the force
Isnt he on a planet getting drunk on blue milk?
As long as they either retcon the sequels, or at least why Luke was on that island. I personally was able to find a way to work in at least a Disney version of Ben Skywalker
I’m actually referring to Legends Luke Skywalker
@@djnavarro3212No one talks about that anymore
@@djnavarro3212He did, Luke really made a better new Jedi order that learned from the errors of the Jedi of the past
Bro how was he sending letters? He was alive for like a day after they left.
Was there ever a situation where they took one sibling because they were force-sensitive and later on the other sibling became force-sensitive then became a Sith Lord? Then killed many Jedi for not taking them both. Then the other sibling (Jedi) would have to face that sibling that became a Sith Lord.
I believe in legends, qui gons first apprentice was force sensitive enough to train, but his father and sibling was left, only for them to turn to the dark side and when they reconnected after qui gon was chosen to lead a mission there alongside his apprentice due to his apprentice's connection (who was also slightly older than normal when brought in to the order, but not as old as anakin) to the planet. The apprentice decided to leave the order but was also corrupted by the dark side, and qui gon and obi wan (who was now apprentice to qui gon) were sent back to confront the former apprentice when it became clear that they had broken bad.
Also, Liam Neeson and Pernilla August had such great chemistry that I figured something was going on between them when I first watched the movie.
When you know about all the content in Legends it's amazing to me that Filoni wasn't given an opportunity sooner by Disney to do more in live action and too bad they have managed to alienate soo many SW fans from Lucasfilm.
The Jedi never returned because they don't want students with attachments as they saw attachments and 'love' to be forbidden and could 'tempt you to the darkside' because you may be afraid to lose them one day. This is the problem the Jedi had. They disavowed love in their teachings because they saw it as leading to the temptation of the Darkside. When in reality love is one of the strongest emotions you can call upon from the Lightside. Not just "love of the Force" but love for those whom mean things to us and those we care about and love. If Anakin had Shimi for support, living a free life in Coruscant, he never would have turned. But the Jedi didn't believe in that.
However that's no excuse for Padme with her political power to not try to free Shimi, as she wasn't bound by Jedi teachings and principles. And if she had to wind up paying for Shimi anyway it would have been a drop in the water to her wealth.
It's the fact Qui-Gon was going to go back for her had he survived the encounter with Maul that shows why Qui-Gon understood things far better than the Jedi ever allowed themselves to.
Which is why Legends Luke was better. He realized the order lead by Yoda's mistake in that area. Not that the Jedi were wrong either. All that force power at your finger tips and then you get angry, they become a problem and people would be kidding themselves if they thought differently.
That said, there teachings couldn't be all that bad. Everyone points to Anakin and goes "Look what their teachings did!"
Yes. Now look at the other 99.9% of the Jedi Order who never act like Anakin did.
@@JoybuzzerX Yes but that's the case with indoctrination. The problem is the Jedi taught people to fear their emotions and that it would lead to the darkside. They didn't ask them to manage or control their emotions, they asked them to shut them off and believe only in The Force.
Teaching people to suppress eventually leads to an explosion the moment their faith doesn't make sense anymore.
We see it more and more in stories of religious indoctrination now with many people (some that still have their faith and some do not) that talk about how much torture it was to suppress everything down and deny who they were and the things they felt.
This was Anakin, he was never taught how to manage his emotions, he was told to suppress them, until he no longer could. Even when he went to Yoda to tell him about his nightmares, Yoda gave him the exact wrong advice. What the Jedi didn't understand was that not everyone could live that way, and they neglected the most powerful Lightside emotion which was Love. It was that emotion that lead Luke to save Vader, it was that emotion that finally broke Vader through the Emperor's conditioning. It was that emotion that the previous lineage of Jedi forbade, much to their ultimately fatal mistake.
Theres so much tragedy surrounding Qui Gons death. He was the only or very few good yet capable individuals in Star Wars
The correct decision would have been to support anakin when he had his visions but also teach him to let go.
Anakin’s induction into the Jedi order at his age and so should have been his education in dealing with attachments. It was impossible for him to not have attachments and the council knew this which is why they initially refused his training. If they had accepted the fact that he would have these attachments and accepted him for it and supported him, he wouldn’t have turned to the dark side.
Rescuing shmi wouldn’t have meant that anakin would need to be granted permission to see her whenever he wanted or at all even. They could have made sure she was safe and kept an eye on her without letting anakin see her.
The Jedi Order should have been able to operate seperatly from The Republic and doing / Launching their own missions!
As Queen, and then Senator, Padme should have repaid Anakin for helping her/them get the hyper drive. It’s the least she could have done. She freakin ate at Shmi table and was like, cool, peace out.
You put the finger on it and more than one ennemy of the jedi would come from the ranks of those left behind by the republic (including Bane, Dooku or Grievious themselves). That's the problem: you want everybody to "live happilly ever after" (at least in theory) but the answer is "Impossible. You can even do a little or nothing at all", so you choose the first...but anyone left behind, "unchoosen" will be resentful, not against their direct oppressors, but against you who could have help them but didn't.
Happy Life just for the Core Worlds
@@ravanpee1325 Exactly. The two wars before the rise of the Empire, the two wars that proved fatal for the republic had one point of unleashing, one origin: the Outer Rim. Purely, selfmade by republic apathy and jedi arrogance. The Sith...they took the wave, nothing more, these wars would have happenned anyway, nothing could have prevented them.
@@charlesjermyn5001Are we forgetting 1000 years old Sith Machinations, as well as that we saw the great plan come to fruition under Sidious.
But let’s blame Jedi, rather than those that do space Fascism every time they get into power
@@westington1 Sidious is in no way responsible of the state of the galaxy: he used it not craft it. "Are we forgetting 1000 years old Sith Machinations," no we don't, but you forget for exemple the last days of Bane when he and Zannah were involve in a planet revolt, with dark jedi, royals murder and jedi killing... and they had no implication in it! The seed is there, I could give you dozen of exemples: the Sith are not responsible for monopolies in the outer rim, the Kalish crisis, the True Mandalorians crisis, the Hutt crimes syndicates spice and slave trade,... Besides "space fascism"...as the jedi were not seeking total extermination of their ennemies, as they were not kid snatchers...
@@charlesjermyn5001 Well it’s very hard to have these debates, as there the lore that Lucas created - how the force works, what balance is etc - is often totally at odds with the EU and the lore created there.
The Jedi were duped, lead down a dark path and ultimately fell to a brilliantly executed plan by the Sith, set in motion 1000 years earlier (plus of course the devastating betrayal by Anakin).
So yes, even though the Jedi order had its problems which played a part in its own downfall, it’s still the Sith and Anakin that led to the end of the Jedi order, and the rise of the empire.
Lucas’s intention was to show how systems with problems, that create the seeds for dissent via corruption, or desperation of its people, are susceptible to falling to manipulation and then subjugation by those that want power at the cost of everyone else. The Sith are supposed to represent the temptations of selfishness, and of evil (Lucas talks about Palatine representing the Devil - especially in how Anakin made a Faustian pact with him, but was tricked as per the story in Christian traditions). The empire are a mirror to the rise of Fascist regimes.
History has shown us that democracy often dies, by giving power to ruthless and scheming individuals, during difficult times and out of fear.
So it’s is space Fascism. The empire are obviously a mirror to the Nazi’s, and a lot of their functioning, philosophy and actions are inspired by the totalitarian regimes of the 20th century.
This is the story Lucas was telling, albeit there’s confusions and contradictions within his own work (however, he’s crystal clear on how the force works, how balance is achieved by removing the cancer of darkside corruption, that balance is balance within the light.
When you take wider EU lore into account, this blurs alot, and you could view it from all angles.
So I don’t remotely discount you view, I’m just saying I don’t think Lucas meant his films to be viewed this way. The Jedi are the hero’s of the story - hence return of the Jedi.
But if you have a different head canon as you value the contributions to Star Wars lore that have a different take, then I don’t think anyone can argue with most differing views. And to make it clear, Star Wars fandom is a personal thing, and I don’t think anyone should change the way they prefer to view things
Yeah, the Jedi council had their heads up their asses so far that not even the chosen's needs one could open their eyes to how far they had strayed from the light side.
No it doesn't make sense because it's a contradiction in actions. They were prepared to grant one dying wish in training the boy, but not his promise to free her, and what's worse, by not doing so they besmirched Qui-Gon's honour. They could easily have freed her and settled her on any planet in the Republic without ever letting Anakin know. Their reasoning was simply a pretext for their moral bankruptcy.
I feel like every single possible timeline ends with Shmi getting royally fucked by either chance or Palpatine's machinations.
Being a mother of fatherless child is also something to consider research-worthy. I mean Mary the Virgin is also a important figure in the Christianity besides Jesus Christ. Shmi Skywalker is like her and she's kind a vessel for the will of the Force. Did Qui-Gon mention the Council about this issue? Or He mentioned but none considered it to be true? If the Council had knowledge about this and also Qui-Gon's able to tell that Shmi was telling truth, they should've investigated the situation and freed Shmi from slavery to closer look.
This is the type of thought-provoking video I like. I don't like the videos that obsess over the new Star Wars shows. Seriously, being happy that they transformed Thrawn into a Bond villain in (spaaace)?
I hope I have guessed correctly on this. The reason that the Jedi never went back to free Schmii Skywalker was because of the rules over personal attachment. Plus, with Qui-gon killed, no one in the Jedi order would have thought to have done this.
Attachment, they wanted to have him get over it . Also she is a slave in hut space which the Republic has no power there so no random slave stealing.
Exactly. Plus it was a side quest during the more important get the queen to Coruscant because her plant is being occupied
Plus Shmi was eventually freed, and married Clieg.
It does make sense but it was a bad idea they should at least bought Shmi and freed her then in someways give a life in the Republic along with using it as a test for his training to truly help him prepair him to let her go when the time comes. Though I would not be surpise if Sidous also had a hand in her not being freed either he would heard the young Skywalker’s story then problable view as chance by lightly make the idea I just had but phrase it way made the Jedi stick more to their logic.
I actually think Padme Amidalla should have funded the release of Smih Skywalker. Padme was indebted to Smih and Anakin, and she clearly had the money. Way to show gratitude, Padme.
Tatooine is not in Hutt Space though. It is in the galactic South while Hutt Space is east.
Just a minor Detail, it is still in control of the Hutts/Jabba
Well, given those general circumstances, it seems that if Qui-Gon had made discreet arrangements for Shmi to be freed in there somewhere, it seems to me at least if the Jedi had looked into her fate, they might be satisfied with that state of affairs: it doesn't seem they customarily relocate younglings' parents just generally, and it'd probably make sense to keep things discreet for fear of making things worse for slaves if the 'owners' think Jedi are going around rescuing em. )
U guys should talk about how or why jedi guardian are turning to the dark side more often than sentinel or counselors. There's too many 😅
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What gets me is after all Anakin did to help them no one thought it was worth it or cared enough to free his mother to reward him. Not the Naboo, the Jedi or the Old Republic. 😡
None of this explains why Obi wan couldn’t secure Schmi’s freedom on his own. Obi wan was a rule follower but I cannot imagine him having a healthy relationship with Anakin if he had the power to save his mother. Plus, Schmi wasn’t important enough to the Hutts to truly matter. If Schmi was purchased and freed, her transportation to the Republic would be uncontroversial.
Hey, could you tell me / anyone else tell me who the art work is from ( or maybe the comic it is from?) Of Qui Gon at 5:30 in. Many thanks
Hockin' that merch to get over 8 minutes to get those midrolls, I see you dawg
I think the Jedi order should have granted leave to someone to free Shmi Skywalker from slavery. Though material attachments are bad, attachments to people are acceptable so long as one's love for the force supersedes ones' love for an individual. It is also wise to love someone with the understanding that all things are fleeting and nothing is permanent. I don't think it was the will of the force for everyone to live life as hermit monks.
So why didn’t Padme buy her freedom?
She wouldn’t even have to do it herself but through proxy.
They could have asked Organa to purchase her and take her under his service as a free worker.
Keep her in Naboo while also explain to her why she needed to keep no contact with Anakin till he was already a jedi master.
I think that the Jedi counsel was dealing with a lot of issues. Shmi was more overlooked, in my opinion. But, this explains more than I thought.
Anyone wanna talk about how watto knew quigon was a jedi and failed a mind suggestion, but still thought it was a good idea to roll dice against quigon? Like he had no idea jedi could use the force to roll the dice in his favor?
It’s also inferred that Anakin was so consumed by his training and missions with Obi that it was easy to forget of home. Much like a College student studying abroad it is easier with time and distance to forget of home
She definitely got saved and lived with her brother it was said in one of the movies
So ah whom is the next winner at Ascot Force beings hmmm. Couldn't be simpler to have such power and change the vibe /outcomes.
When exactly did Qui Gon have the time to be sending letters and starship parts to Shmi? It seems like the events of the movie take place in about 2 weeks, at best, and everybody is pretty busy the whole time.
Yes, it does make sense politically.
Morally, not so much. I now have a much better understanding of Qui-Gon and Dooku.
It's almost as if Anakin was doomed from the start.
Maybe if they had returned for Shmi, order 66 woudlnt have happened. That was the main beginning of anakin spiral (his mom being enslaved on tattooine) . But hey just a theory
Plus his mom being sold for snoo snoo and Im not even going to touch on how she died. All while the Jedi had him collecting tariffs around the galaxy.
In short jedi were so scared of attachment so they just vanished
Watto wanted to make money so keeping Shmi was a good plan. Few things could raise her sale value so much as having someone on the outside who wanted desperately to liberate her, specifically. It created a sort of "Django Unchained" situation where the price for Shmi's freedom would simply be "as much money as I think I can squeeze out of you".
Why would the jedi steal Watto’s property from him? That would be a terrible crime against Watto
If you take a close look at the script, he DID try to free her by selling the pod, and explained this to Anakin.
I always thought the Jedi were wrong for not freeing her. The fact that the Jedi became the servant of the government and not listen to the Force was their fall from grace and led to their eventual judgment.
Can you compare all force users by their power in the force?
Feels like this has been covered least one or two times before. Thought was pretty much a kinda Anakin was the objective an MAYBE her if it worked out that way sorta thing but it didn't an we got story we got. Woulda been interesting to see the alternative reality where SHE had also been saved though we'd seen slightly different story as to how Palpatine woulda now had to deal with no not only Padme but Shimi too barring him falling an giving us a then near mirrored story altered for this new timeline
Given Anakin’s connection to the force, the Jedi were incredibly short sighted to not intervene on Shmi’s behalf. Did they really think Anakin wouldn’t somehow feel it if something happened to her?
Besides, they had plenty of options there. Why smuggle her anywhere? They could’ve just bought her. 🤦♂️
Anakin would've been better off being raised as a Bokken Jedi.
I really can't believe that the Jedi were this sad
So when did the Jedi first sign up with the Republic and why did they even do that? Did they think it was the best way to keep the peace?
Since the first schism, to the time of reven, until the time of Anakin, the Jedi have had a nasty habit of creating their own problems, they are their own worst enemy, when they should be proactive, they are not, case in point the Mandalorian wars, and when they shouldn't be proactive, they are, case in point the clone wars, Backwards and confusing this all is.
This makes me more sympathetic to count dooku now.
Yes this is very true and the clone wars does explain this as well some what. Also the Jedi failed Anakin by not saving his mother because Anakin is very strong at being force sensitive that makes you very emotional since jedi need to feel the force.
People always say QuiGon would have been the perfect Master for Anakin and he wouldn’t have gone dark, but they are missing the point…I t was the loss of his mother and living at the bottom of the social ladder and never seeming to be able to move up and away from that status that contributed most to Anakin going dark.
The chosen as a slave was all the message that should have been necessary for the Jedi to begin freeing slaves and defending them against the Huts at any cost. Anakin would have stayed light and the Jedi would have been unimpeachable, completely impervious to the false claims made by Palpatine later.
Count Dooku is the Itachi of the Star Wars Jedi republic.
They didn't feel like it
I think old George did a masterwork in the prequels that rabid fans dont appreciate. The analogous to current politics only get STRONGER.
Resingment is not a word. Resignation
Doesn't really make sense no. Even if they were scared of war they could have bought her than freed her. The attachment for Anakin was already there anyway.
Don't forget that Jedi don't have the numbers to help the galaxy. Also If Jedi start freeing Slaves within Hutt Space would start a war
This still makes no sense. Slavery being legal in Hutt territory, it should have been easy for Qui-Gon to ask Padme, as a planetary ruler, to send some of her people back to Tatooine with valuable trade goods to *buy* Shmi with. Qui-Gon knew that Watto lost most of his wealth on the race. So he wouldn't object to a buyer for Shmi (and indeed, he didn't). Then it would simply be a matter of taking Shmi back to Naboo and setting her up in a new life there. As I recall, she was an accountant (hence why she was more valuable than a laborer) and having worked on Tatooine she probably knew a lot about how smuggler finances worked. Which would have made her useful to the Naboo government. Then just send a message to Anakin on Coruscant to let him know that she was free and living on Naboo now. That would give Anakin closure even though he himself didn't visit Naboo until AotC.
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I still believe qui-gon used the force in the middle of the podrace, where he stands behind Shmi .. he closes his eyes at some point, and i believe its where Anakin has problems with one of the engines .. go back and watch it
I'm afraid I'm not pondering what you're pondering. I'm wondering if "shmi" is a sort of future expletive that Amy on Futurama always says.
The mistakes made by the Jedi in regards to Anakin are just too numerous.
1. Denying him from the start.
2. Not freeing his mother. They could have just freed her and set her up somewhere, maybe let him see her one more time to show him she was safe, then just kept him away with his duties.
3. Not taking his age into account and training him like any other initiate. (This caused him to be bullied by other children)
4. They WERE holding him back because they feared how fast his potential was growing. There is such a thing as too much patience.
5. They held back knowledge from him. He never knew about Force Healing.
There's more, but this is enough for now.
Padme did
Seems the Jedi were indeed more of a Keepers of Peace than Fighters for Good. Else they would have fought to stop slavery for example. I mean they could have just saved his mother without telling him where she was. Anakin obviously was a very important person and soon to become on of the most powerful Jedi and they couldn't spare the time and effort to lessen his chances of turning Evil? I mean they did sense the emotions in him and didn't even want to train him at first. They were lazy and way too comfortable in the situation they were in. They couldn't even notice the Sith Lord pulling them by their noses for all that time.
It does make sense to me seeing how the Jedi at the time where so political instead of doing what was right. As the saying goes evil prevails when good men do nothing.
It's Ironic that the death of the Jedi order came down to a roll of a chance cube. If Qui-gon hadn't cheated with the force, would the jedi still remain?
They should have saved her, I always finding films and games they make familial attachments a sign of weakness, but I think it's a strength.
There are a lot of reasons why Anakin went to the dark side but the majority of those reasons are on the Jedi counsel's shoulders!
Gee, you mean the kid we snatched off of Mad Max world went nuts and turned dark? Who saw that coming?
Did Jinn tell anyone that Shmi might need saving? Obi-wan was on the ship.
This is A WAY to explain this GIANT plot hole. But it's very clear that us fans have spent WAY more time thinking about these details than Lucas ever did. Like in the Ep 1 behind the scenes documentary, everyone is afraid to tell Lucas no or that things are a bad idea. In Ep3, no one from the prop department tells Lucas that these lightsabers aren't very close to Ep4. Lucas was more interested in the technology the whole time.
Digital filmmaking and editing. Even some of the prop technology, like coating the foam safety prop saber handles in chrome in Ep 2 and 3, so the brushed metal props changed to chromed. Which also changed the digital replacements so there's more chrome... there's just a ton of little problems they were concerned with and story wasn't the first priority.
I mean, hey, toys weren't really a priority in Ep7-9 and so we see Star Destroyers, Tie Fighters, Stormtroopers, X-Wings, the Millennium Falcon and a much more screen accurate Graflex lightsaber. It was more nostalgia baiting.
Not that you have to care about any of that to make great Star Wars. Go watch Andor which doesn't seem to care about toys, stupid Jedi rules that create plot holes, or nostalgia bait. In some ways, most modern Disney Star Wars has become the Empire. A mindless machine that doesn't care about small creators with big ideas and is too big to care about small details because of an embedded bureaucracy full of social climbers that need to have their say to justify their own place in the machine that they have created with Star Wars as a brand.
No because those would complicate this even more with ol Palpatine. By bringing Shmi along, the Jedi would be in full delusional on how Anakin was born. An I’m sure Anakin didn’t want to be blamed for everything he did and have Shmi hear all of it in the end.
When it came to who Anakin picked on another youngling in the Jedi Academy. An having Shmi go head over heels to figure out what apology to give to which Jedi Master for Anakin’s bad behavior as a youngling as well. This is how I see why parents aren’t allowed to have custody over their children if the Jedi were to take them.
Why would an organization that makes it official policiy to separate their young students from their families make an effort to reunite one of their students with his only family?
Shmi's continued slavery was a feature of jedi policy, not a bug.
You mean besides the fact that George Lucas forgot about it while writing the ending to The Phantom Menace, right? 😝
"Everything worked out in Qui-Gon's favor" well... not EVERYTHING. Anyway this works as an explanation as to why the Jedi did nothing, but it doesn't explain why Anakin never snuck out for a long weekend vacation of slave freeing. I mean that is VERY on brand for him.
Leaving Shmi in slavery while taking Anakin away was pretty much the perfect symbol for the rot in the Jedi Order by the time of the Prequels.
They could have freed her but not allowed Anakin to contact her like I’m assuming they did with all other jedi, or at least padawans.
...she was already saved. She was kidnapped later and died pretty quickly thereafter. Even based on how you describe it, a Jedi DID save her and she was able to live free on her homeworld, married and with family. I don't think this question holds much merit as like you said, the slave trade is common in SW, she would hold no more importance that any of the other presumably billions of slaves in the galaxy and to Qui-Gon, she would be soon living her best life, which she did. "Saving" her would imply that her homeworld itself was her prison lol
How Anakin didn't tortre wado and send his whole species into oblivion is beyond me. Wouldve been a sick road for him to take towards ultimate sith power.
I hate to say but I feel that like with the clone wars the Jedi were in a lose lose situation even if they wanted to free the slaves on the planet and others they’d never have the numbers for it and as HK-47 put it not even a Jedi can survive against great odds for long
6:06 - resignment?? LOL. How about "resignation"?
Why didn’t Anakin go back? He could have he really wanted.
When did he have time to send letters to Shmi?
"Jedi kinna suck" So Ive heard, so I see.
It was in the Jedi's best interest to keep Anakin separated. Even something so small as freeing Shmi jeopardized that.
It actually wasn’t. Her mistreatment and later kidnapping is what started him on his path to the dark side.
@@rogerkirby6883 read the older stuff like Rogue Planet for young Jedi Anakin. He was already dealing with anger issues.
@@gregharn1 maybe but the films show it’s his fear of loss that drives him that direction. First his grief about his mom and then fear of losing padme
@@rogerkirby6883 debatable. The films certainly imply it & were meant to infer from our own experiences.
Why smuggle her out when they could have just bought her, gave her some money to settle far from the temple … problem solved
The chance cube is an indication of Anakin's destiny. The natural order of the universe was for Anakin to land on red. But manipulations by an arrogant Jedi who thought he could change fate, delayed his proper destiny, temporarily turning him to blue.
The Jedi😈 did not have budgeting done by #TDBank💳...