Well, Mace was a prick…. I can kind of understand why they did not like him. Mace had absolutely no idea how to command ground troops. It’s like being an elite special forces unit of nighttime commandos that operate at night and this guy put you out at high noon in broad daylight and expect you to do the same thing without the cover of darkness, like you’ve been trained.
Pretty sure Mace was the type who would have gotten fragged....if not for the space wizardry keeping them from trying. Honestly, not sure all that many Jedi liked him either, respected sure, admired his skills of course, liked the arrogant prick...probably not.
@@themeking5509 and yet they put him in charge. He’s the master of the order literally supposed to be the best of them and he hasn’t got any experience leading ground troops
Man these Jedi did not need to be generals the regular clone commanders and Captains have shown that they are equal are even better than their Jedi general in the Field
Clone Wars show this as well. The Clones respected Anakin, Ahsoka, and Obi-Won at times but hated most of the other Jedi. The Jedi often saw the Clones as disposable robots and not real people. Even Obi-Won hints at that in the opening of Revenge of the Sith during the space battle.
Yep, look at Krell. If clones on the frontline can see the casualty rates under his command from official files, then so could the Council who would decide where new troopers would be sent and who they’d be serving under.
@@HelloThere734Krell was a Jedi who defected to the Separatists and fell to the dark side. He's the only Jedi in that show we see treating the clones poorly
@@histguy101 Most Jedi weren't outright cruel, but they were incompetent and, like many military commanders in our own world sadly, saw clones are mere pieces of the war machine instead of human beings. The Jedi of that era were the worst of all the eras when it came to leading armies. There's a reason we don't let priests lead armies (contrary to some popular claims, even in the Middle Ages, priests weren't leading armies).
I'm glad Jango fett is getting the respect on this channel. One of my personal favorite mandalorians. They definitely should do a Jango fett Open seasons live action disney plus series. They can also help introduce the man who personally trained Jango fett as an instinctive killer.
This sort of explains why there are massive amounts of commandos in the bad batch that are extremely loyal to the empire, and not as many newly recruited stormtroopers.
Huh. So Delta Squad and I have another thing in common, we all hate Master Windu. Good. Because they are my go to clones that I go to play with in my collection
@@yami122 As a character, or as a person? Because I like him as a character, but not as a person. Mainly because he definitely was a douchebag but that reason is also the last piece in converting Anakin to the darkside.
@marsMonkeyy Jedi hater or not they're still responsible for kidnapping force sensitive children and turning Anakin into Darth Vader so yeah I am a jedi hater😁
Interesting how some Commandos left the Republic and went to Mandalore. Also ironic that the remaining Commandos became Jedi assasins for Vader. Revenge for Jango. 😆
@@boomerang0101You mean they didn't kidnap "anyone." Your comment contains a double negative that implies they _did_ kidnap people. It's like the statement "I didn't say nothing." If you didn't say nothing, then you said _something,_ and in that sentence you're trying to say you didn't say anything.
Mace Windo has been shown multiple times to make hasty rash decisions because he thinks he knows better, it doesn’t help that very few in the order ever question Jim and those that do are Jedi like Anakin or Qui Gong Jinn, Jedis that are considered more abnormalities to the order than what they actually where, a counter point to ask if it was a good idea
Yeah honestly I always felt like his character was very poorly done The story seems to want us to view him as a brilliant incredibly wise and powerful warrior and diplomat But he just comes off as an arrogant idiot who has very poor social skills
@@yami122 I view Windu as a really well thought out character, he perfectly embodies the Jedi Order at the time. Surface level he is wise and powerful but really he was only wise and powerful in his own eyes. The whole Jedi order was so caught up in thinking they defeated the sith and that they knew the best and only way to wield the light side that they didn’t realize they were making themselves weaker while training and radicalizing the next sith apprentice. But then again it could be pure luck and coincidence for the overlap and I could be completely over analyzing a poorly executed character. Haha
So the Clone Commandos were similar to units like the US Seal Team 6 or the British SAS (units trained to operate behind enemy lines), and Windu ordered them to do a WW1 type charge across an open battlefield. I heard a comparison about how US Army Rangers in WW2 were used being like using a surgeon's scalpel to cut open boxes, "you get the job done but you ruin the blade."
No, Geonosis wasn't some planned action. It was an emergency rescue mission and no one had worked with the clones before, nor had the clones experienced battle before, not even the commandos
Same. Maybe he was different in The Clone Wars series, but he kinda rubbed me the wrong way in Revenge of the Sith, as he came across to me as dismissive and insensitive towards Anakin's struggles with the loss of his mother and his anxieties about Padme. He also seemed to me to have a bit of a bias against Anakin in ROTS due to thinking he never should have been trained or allowed into the Jedi Order at all for that matter. He seemed to have this attitude towards Anakin that no matter what, Anakin would never be good enough or fully accepted as a true member. He just didn't seem to have hardly any respect for Anakin. And as someone who felt some relatability to Anakin and looked up to Anakin in some way, I guess I felt like I myself was being dismissed or disrespected by Windu whenever he scolded Anakin or brushed him aside. Hence, the feeling of being rubbed the wrong way. When seeing the prequels, especially ROTS in particular, I respected Windu for his impressive strength and skill, but in the back of my mind, I guess I felt like he was kind of a d*ck in terms of personality.
The irony is that I felt like Mace Windu and Anakin Skywalker were very much alike and would have made a great Master/Padawan combo. This is how life works though, sometimes the person most like you ends up being the most difficult person you encounter.
Why? How's he even supposed to know who's a commando and who's not, and what they're capable of in the literal first hour of the war when they've never met each other?
To answer your question, I'd say the two issues get two different answers. Killing Jango: That I think the commandos could have gotten over. They respected more than loved Jango. As you said it was mostly other mercenaries that trained the commandos, and they viewed those mercenaries as parents more from what I remember. In addition, Jango picked the fight with Windu and even the commandos couldn't condemn Windu for not wanting to die. They'd always resent him for it on some level, but frankly it's likely Jango would have been their enemy soon after if Windu didn't kill him. As for the getting them butchered because Windu is an idiot: There isn't enough words in all the languages in both the real world and star wars universe to create the right phrases to overcome that. Commando missions in general require absolute trust from the bottom up, and Windu violated that in the worst way imaginable by sending them into infantry combat and ignoring their skills. The fact that the commandos almost certainly saw many of the other Jedi behaving in an non-militaristic manner that was getting people killed would have further alienated them. On top of this, they saw most of the people that were their brothers getting slaughtered due to incompetance. While true, most clones saw each other as brothers, the 4 man commando squads were true brothers in every sense, they lived, ate and trained together 24/7, they practically had no lives outside of that cell. Some of the cells had 3 out of 4 wiped out. Hell, this wasn't mentioned in the video, but Omega Squad was pulled together from those orphans. Omega was made up of commandos who had lost all their squadmates. No way that would be overcome. Windu would never be forgiven, and the other Jedi would have to bend over backwards to gain even a small amount. All this is without even considering the Mandalorian culture element, which can be admittingly more hit or miss. Like any group, some did have a fervent undying hate for force sensitives, others were more casual and mostly did it as a joke, and others did develop a respect for them. It varied wildly.
It's all nonsense. Geonosis was a baptism by fire for everyone. No one there had any experience except for a few individual Jedi who had faced droids before. The Jedi and clones had never worked together before and were thrown in. Judging Mace's command ability based on minute 1 of the war, and not something we see on screen but some side lore from a video game is stupid
I fully agree that objectively, it was nonsense: noone in the Order was ready to command the army, and at that point, Windu was a much better fighter on the field than a field commander. That being said, clones were trained to fight alongside Jedi, so they were wrongfully given an assumption Jedi were prepared. Which was wrong, but Clones still believed it. As a result, when Jedi started making mistakes, some relationships went sideways. I completely resent the idea, however, that ALL of the Jedi were bad commanders.
@@anton.chigrinetc.96 Oh yeah, some were amazing commanders. Like Oppo Ranchis, I may have misspelled his name. He had battle meditation which made him a perfect commander. Aayla Secura also seemed a pretty good leader, more tactical than strategic in my opinion but you need both. Anakin seemed to adapt really well to tactical command, and Obi-wan seemed good, though I feel he should have been more strategic command because some of his tactical command was too Jedi-oriented. Overall my issue with Mace is that he showed a clear lack of wisdom. Not understanding how to command an army when you have no experience is one thing and something even the clones could have gotten over, but not realizing you don't know what you're doing or being too arrogant to admit it is a clear lack of wisdom. Wisdom isn't knowing everything, it's knowing that you don't know everything
I’d probably see things the same way if I were in their shoes. Palpatine’s plan was quite genius; the fate of the Order was sealed the moment they took command of the clone army.
Jedi as a whole had no business telling soldiers what to do. They were not generals yet. The clones should have been given over to Republic officers to command from the start and only jedi who had at least some idea of warfare be allowed to give orders, once they knew what they were doing.
I mean, the idea that 1 man is going to micro manage an entire battle field is insane. Especially if you dont even know the units you're using. I think their hatered is fair, but that doesn't mean it couldn't have been fixed later on.
Sometimes, considering the treatment of subordonnates, peoples take the Sith as absolutely worst because they were tough and the Jedi as the best because they were "nice" with them but as you can see, the sole differance between the two is kind of a matter of manners: Vador executed some admirals... who were incompetent and who wouldn't have hesitate a single second to do the same to their entier fleet to save their back, while with the Jedi it was " Please, dear dear clone... go die uselessly so I can get all the merit while I was absolutely useless, after all, you can barely be considered a living being..." So, in the end of the day you are still sent to death by a superior being... the sole differance is that one of them had a nice and calm voice and say "please" x)
@@jagerdergroe8604 That's the problem of the society we live in: there are "good guys" and "bad guys" both absolute, bad guys can't be anything but evil and good guys can't be anything but nice, no grey area (because, you know, grey areas ask to think and question and a lot of peoples hate it x) ).
@@jagerdergroe8604 Because they could not have been incompetent? They are Force warriors, they have the innate ability for calculating strategy and tactics just by a virtue of slowing events down around them and being able to forsee things ten thousand steps ahead. Before Filoni came up with inhibitor chips idea (the only good idea by far he had), authours went great lengths of mental gymnastics to try "explain" the Order 66, as if Jedi were sort of a version of IRL Communist Commissars who were only good at sabotaging "ideologically incorrect" orders of Red Army commanders and sending troops to their inevitable demise (even though in fact, many of them found it more ideologically correct, if the enemy of the their revolution was destroyed by whatever means necessary and were just as eager to go fight and die with their troops...you know...like the Jedi). It's just weird and dumb people seriously believe Jedi were all bad as commanders.
While what you said about Vader is true, Jedi themselves could not have been bad commanders by any stretch of logic. At least, not all of them. They were warriors trained for decades, the ability to forsee events ten steps ahead is a part of their training, even if combat was not their specialization, they are taught various disciplines, war-related included (because they are peacekeepers, which means they have to engage in various military matters as well), on such a profound level it would be completely illogical to believe the vast majority of them wouldn't fit in as generals. I will never believe all those mental gymnastics about clones being "conditioned" to obey Jedi, and Jedi being bad. For all the butchery Filoni did to the EU, his idea with inhibitor chips was the only good one.
There was a video game solely related to Republic Commando, at the moment I didn't know much about the lore and still didn't know much about it. However, seeing this video I really want to play another game like that but with Order 66 mission. And well, yes, I really miss that side grip pump action shotgun.
Mace Windu apparently thought he was supposed to be the chosen one when he was a young jedi. When Anakin came on the scene as the real chosen one, Mace let his jealousy of Anakin overtake him and treated Anakin as such. Windu only got his council seat from stabbing his friend Dooku in the back (metaphorically). So yes, on the surface, Windu was an "honorable" jedi, but he was fueled by his own resentment all through the clone wars. How that went unnoticed within the council is beyond me, but, in my humble opinion, Mace Windu has always been a "holier-than-thou" cocky pos who the council only needed for his fighting skills as he was a skilled combatist. But that's all I'm going to give him as far as praise goes. It's because of jedi like him I was less saddened when the jedi order was humbled to its knees and brought to near extinction. Windu certainly had his karma coming if you ask me
To add to what you said he also had a major flow of viewing people as only an extension of their rank showing extreme respect to those with a higher rank than himself but to any one below him in rank he would treat openly like trash in front of others and had no problem using his own high rank as a shield too protect him from being talked back to
Have similar thoughts myself and think he got the Council seat because his style of fighting relied on somewhat touching on the darker side of the Force, not the Dark Side exactly, but close, and he would resist the temptation each time. Think that made the Council see him as someone more immune to it and put these flaws as necessary for him to use this fighting style. But that made him think he was better than others because he was being treated as better for his unique style and peers that ignored these flaws and expected him to be able to use them to see coming dangers in battle.
That's a great point, love it! The show Tales of the Jedi shows (now) cannon how Mace Windu got his council seat. He undermined Dooku just when a council seat opened up, and he knew what he was doing. All the same, I also agree that's what the council saw him as - a formidable weapon against the dark side. Because Jedi at that time used people 😂 Just watch The Clone Wars to see what they put Anakin and Ahsoka through
@@breathofapollyon990 There is literally no canonical evidence to support the idea that Mace Windu believed he was the chosen one or that he was jealous of Anakin Skywalker While he may have had concerns about Anakin's emotional attachments and his susceptibility to the dark side, there is no indication that Mace Windu harbored jealousy towards Anakin in legends or in cannon in fact Mace Windu acknowledges that he indeed powerful but lacked control: "He is powerful, the second only to Master Yoda. But he is still only a Padawan. And though he is a good friend, he is not yet a wise one. He is too young and, lately, too angry. Anger is the worst enemy of a Jedi, Master Yoda says. He knows this better than I do. Yet his is not the anger of the dark side, the malicious rage that leads to hate, and to suffering, and death. His is the quick, hot fury of a man betrayed by his own body, his own strength. His is the white-hot heart of a star in its death throes. He is Anakin Skywalker: bright and powerful and full of life, he is a Jedi Knight, and it is ironic that he has come to embody all that we fear"-Mace Windu "Anakin Skywalker is strong in the Force. He is stronger than any Jedi I have ever known. But he is still only a Padawan learner. He has yet to face the trials that will come with knighthood, and we can only hope that he will remain true to the Jedi Code. However, I have sensed a great deal of turmoil within him. His emotions are volatile, and he struggles to control them. This inner conflict could prove to be his greatest challenge as he continues his journey toward becoming a Jedi Knight"-Mace Windu "Anakin Skywalker is a formidable Jedi Knight, his skills in the Force and with a lightsaber are unmatched by many. However, he is not without his flaws. His emotions often cloud his judgment, and his inner turmoil threatens to consume him. While his strength is undeniable, his path is fraught with danger. As Jedi, it is our duty to guide and mentor him, but we must also be mindful of the darkness that lurks within him."-Mace Windu "Anakin is perhaps the most powerful Jedi alive. His skills in the Force are exceptional, and he wields a lightsaber with unmatched proficiency. However, that power comes with a price. Anakin is passionate, often allowing his emotions to guide him. While this intensity makes him a formidable warrior, it also exposes him to the dangers of the dark side. As Jedi, we must strive to guide him, help him find balance, and prevent the shadows that threaten to engulf him."-Mace Windu "Anakin Skywalker is a Jedi of exceptional talent, unmatched by many of his peers. His connection to the Force is strong, and his prowess in combat is formidable. Yet, there is a darkness within him, a shadow that threatens to consume him. His emotions are a double-edged sword, driving him to greatness but also placing him in peril. As Jedi, we must walk a fine line in guiding him, for the path he treads is fraught with danger."-Mace Windu These passages delve into Mace Windu's genuine concern for Anakin Skywalker's well-being and acknowledges his strength in the Force and overall skills as a jedi and as friend.
I wish they'd do an animated style Vader series. ... Feel like it'd be less pressure & more of a realistic possibility if animated. - Thanks as always for the upload. Your time, and efforts are much appreciated
Honestly? Ive just started learning Clone lore (im just getting to season 1 ep14 on bad batch 😅) but i have quickly learned that I really feel strongly for the bond that the clones have with one another. I even really love the 501st and their relationship with Vader. Any and all clone lore, especially from Legends continuity would be greatly appreciated.😊
@@ramarblood7697 there were plenty of regional conflicts to give the officer corps experience. Promote mid level officers to generals. Have the Jedi as advisors.
@@kirkdavis2881 but that wasn't, at that time, the perview of the Jedi. So again, that would have turned the order into something it wasn't meant to be.
The more I re watch/read Star Wars, the more I feel for the clones and the less I like the Jedi of this era. ESPECIALLY Mace. He was such an arrogant tool and a total douche to everyone around him. Glad he (maybe) died honestly. Just came here to vent lol. Love the videos.
Almost 50% of commandos died in the battle of geononis, after that, their death rate dropped to a very low number, as mentioned in the republic commando novels (i forgot how low though, if anyone has it in their head please respond). Even the best spec ops soldier cant do anything if hes mowed down on an open field or shredded by bombs. They and also the normal clones, whose death rate was also shockingly high in this battle were used like droid cannon fodder. If they were led by actual military commanders, geonosis could have been the first and last battle of this war.
Mace was an idiot putting elite spec ops units in open warfare specially when they had limited numbers if anything commandos should have been held back and told to capture any high value targets if not possible to capture then kill
I mean it doesn't help the Jedi were told to take command when none of them had any military experience and the clones had no one else to replace them with in the chain of command. It was a bad situation by design to foster bitterness. That said if the Clones had been used by the Jedi Order of the Old Republic who were in constant wars with the Sith... they'd be happy little clams.
Imagine being at peace for 1k years, then getting slandered when you get told you got elite units ready to be deployed, you don't get told anything about their skill set, just that they are elite but since you order them to the frontlines and they die, you get slandered for getting them killed. Like seriously, you get thrown something you have little intel about and then get slandered for it cause you didn't use it right.
@@ramarblood7697 this! Your entire response is how people should see it. But yet, they just go, "he threw them in a meat grinder, the pleb." Never having any military experience, the clones never questioning orders, or giving a run down, yeah just a bad situation no matter what.
The Origin of Clone commandos taught by Mandolorian mercenaries while in theta brainwave the original clones was created 10 yrs before clone wars and the Clone trooper had 7 years while being in theta brainwave to stuff the knowledge deeply inside. I do enjoy the clone commando armor function and thier blue visor.
This video is very misleading any commander who did not know the skills and training of your troops would have done the same. It seems there is this constant push to devalue Windu and lay blame for everything wrong with the Jedi this is a very Sith thing to do. Most people who do not first think in ways of manipulation with the sole purpose of hurting others so they can ignore their own pain do not think hey I can I be an ahole because their internal self is actually afraid and most constantly externalize their fear.
It's understandable. However, given the state of the jedi in that time, this sentiment and series of events would have happened regardless of which jedi were in charge in that Geonosian battle.
I can honestly understand their reasoning for their hate. And it’s why I fully respect all the clones during the clone wars. They will always be my favorite Edit: didn’t realize that my autocorrect changed “Clones” to “Cones” 😆
This is interesting. They were even more elite than 501. Which says a lot. I thought 501 was the best. I understand why Clone Commandos hated Windu. Windu was a fool for doing this. I think conversation could have resolve issues. They were definitely awesome! Vader got to lead his elite forces. May the Force be with you too😊
Windu was arrogant, folks blame Yoda but I think it was Windu and Yoda mainly that brought down the Jedi. Windu shouldn’t have ever been on the council with Yoda they reinforced their moral superiority. 😂
Imagine how different the Star Wars galaxy could of been if Mace hadn't of been such a diuche to Anakin his whole life? If he'd actually saw thw clones as worth saving and protecting like Plo Kloon. Mace was a major factor and reason behind the Jedi's fall.
Their attitude is completely understandable. Mace, and ALL the Jedi never should have been involved in the clone wars as Combatants or worse, General's.
Mace might be a hell of a fighter, but he's also one of the most hardline, fanatical jedi in the order who is downright unpleasant to those who don't toe his line or fit into his idea of how things should be. He alienated Dooku and later Anakin, treated the clones rather badly, preached the jedi way which he then instantly went against by trying to off Sidious (Okay, that case was kinda understandable) and he just seems rather unpleasant to be around. He is a downright badass though, but not to sort of guy you'd want to have a beer with.
This is also the reason many repulbilc naval officers quickly turned to the empire and thus very much and happily hunted down jedi. Jedi did not possess the military knowledge and training the mil had. Thus, the mil saw the Jedis as dangerous (in that the jedi - lacking any tactical training - did unecessarily cause the deaths of very valuable mil assets (men and machines). Only through pure numerical superiority did the gAR win.
Too be fair, does anyone really like mace windu?. He’s such a prick that has it coming. He can be cool in action and might have some good qualities, but it’s not enough. No wonder he’s memes on
What do you mean Mace had it coming? He may have flawed but has intentions. Mace risked his life serval times and helped Cham and his freedom fighters liberate Ryloth or how he prevented the Zillo Beast from being killed off or how during the battle Anaxes when Admiral Trench had a bomb that would destroy the planet he had everyone evacuated and was willing to guess the last digit to deactivate the bomb which would have kiled him. I agree that Mace Windu had his flaws with him being arrogant which Dooku points out during the non canon clone wars duling game and not having an backup plan when they found out count dooku was responsible for the creation of the droid army and selling out Ahsoka for political convince during her trial but in end Mace Windu was hero who was willing to give his life if the situation called for it and isnt as bad as most of the fandom making him out to be.
Personally I think it is, I mean really the Jedi have different types of nights why wouldn't he think oh maybe there's different type of clones too. So yeah it's mostly his fault.
Most off the commandos didn't participate in order 66. When the clone wars started they didn't know what kind of soldiers they had or there training. No knowledge of how to use them at first. They was trying to stop wars and put an end to terrony.
In my opinion, Mace is a misunderstood character. He is blamed for everything that went wrong with the jedi, which is so untrue. Windu is the embodiment of discipline and control. He is the best example of what a jedi should be in the eyes of the republic and her people.
Not rly He is a hypocrite and let his emotions of jealousy and fear overtake him Those emotions coming from Anakin He criticizes Anakin for the same things Windu does
@@aceclover758 Dude what jealous?There is literally no canonical evidence to support the idea that Mace Windu believed he was the chosen one or that he was jealous of Anakin Skywalker While he may have had concerns about Anakin's emotional attachments and his susceptibility to the dark side, there is no indication that Mace Windu harbored jealousy towards Anakin in legends or in cannon in fact Mace Windu acknowledges that he indeed powerful but lacked control: "He is powerful, the second only to Master Yoda. But he is still only a Padawan. And though he is a good friend, he is not yet a wise one. He is too young and, lately, too angry. Anger is the worst enemy of a Jedi, Master Yoda says. He knows this better than I do. Yet his is not the anger of the dark side, the malicious rage that leads to hate, and to suffering, and death. His is the quick, hot fury of a man betrayed by his own body, his own strength. His is the white-hot heart of a star in its death throes. He is Anakin Skywalker: bright and powerful and full of life, he is a Jedi Knight, and it is ironic that he has come to embody all that we fear"-Mace Windu "Anakin Skywalker is strong in the Force. He is stronger than any Jedi I have ever known. But he is still only a Padawan learner. He has yet to face the trials that will come with knighthood, and we can only hope that he will remain true to the Jedi Code. However, I have sensed a great deal of turmoil within him. His emotions are volatile, and he struggles to control them. This inner conflict could prove to be his greatest challenge as he continues his journey toward becoming a Jedi Knight"-Mace Windu "Anakin Skywalker is a formidable Jedi Knight, his skills in the Force and with a lightsaber are unmatched by many. However, he is not without his flaws. His emotions often cloud his judgment, and his inner turmoil threatens to consume him. While his strength is undeniable, his path is fraught with danger. As Jedi, it is our duty to guide and mentor him, but we must also be mindful of the darkness that lurks within him."-Mace Windu "Anakin is perhaps the most powerful Jedi alive. His skills in the Force are exceptional, and he wields a lightsaber with unmatched proficiency. However, that power comes with a price. Anakin is passionate, often allowing his emotions to guide him. While this intensity makes him a formidable warrior, it also exposes him to the dangers of the dark side. As Jedi, we must strive to guide him, help him find balance, and prevent the shadows that threaten to engulf him."-Mace Windu "Anakin Skywalker is a Jedi of exceptional talent, unmatched by many of his peers. His connection to the Force is strong, and his prowess in combat is formidable. Yet, there is a darkness within him, a shadow that threatens to consume him. His emotions are a double-edged sword, driving him to greatness but also placing him in peril. As Jedi, we must walk a fine line in guiding him, for the path he treads is fraught with danger."-Mace Windu These passages delve into Mace Windu's genuine concern for Anakin Skywalker's well-being and acknowledges his strength in the Force and overall skills as a jedi and as friend.
Windu was the embodiment of the hubris due to a lack of inability to see past their own dogma that doomed the Jedi. I'm not saying that he was the cause of that hubris. Just that he was the embodiment of it. "The code forbids it."
Trained in the ways of the most elite non jedi fighters in the galaxy, Cant adapt to open field combat to fight druids that walk in a straight line. lol how elite
Mr Jackson is a superb actor. So upon watching him acting the role of Windu I found myself disliking & mistrusting the Jedi. Perhaps Samuel himself perhaps felt antipathy towards Windu.
The difference difference between the Sith and the Jedi is the Jedi eyes don’t glow yellow. I watched a “what if”, where Anakin didn’t kill count Dooku, but instead brought him back to stand trial and as the invisible hand crashed into the landing pad and took out the tower, and Kenobi says “another happy landing”.. Dooku comments that the Jedi shouldn’t be quite so cavalier about all of the innocent lives They just murdered by crashing into them with a starship. The Jedi could sacrifice entire planets for “the greater good” without batting and I because they were at their core sociopaths with no emotional attachment to anything or anyone
@@markcarpenter6020 the use of the forest does not need to be entirely light or entirely dark, the same way the average person is not entirely light or entirely dark. Think about a medieval monk … generally good people, but if you attack their monastery, they’re probably gonna kick your ass. The Jedi approach would be to kick out anyone who attacked the Viking invaders in anger… to see them as a potential threat and other them because they have emotions and use those emotions in battle. The Sith would probably just be a whole bunch of Vikings unnecessarily burning and pillaging simply for the fun.
@@Matt-yg8ub believe it or not the Vikings were just as likely to trade as they were to pillage. It all depended on how well defended the place was. They weren't nearly as barbaric as later stories made them out to be.
@@markcarpenter6020 I know… but I was really trying to use the monk analogy. Sidious spent 30 years using politics and diplomacy to get his way… then a day and a half waving his saber around to wipe out the Jedi…. Before another 20 years of administration and bureaucracy.
@@Matt-yg8ub honestly the Jedi and Sith both made a mistake by cutting themselves off from at least part of the source of their power. Jedi trained themselves to be sociopaths. As much as they accused the sith of only thinking of themselves the Jedi did the same by cutting themselves off from attachment. And the sith who claimed passion was their strength focused entirely on the passions of anger fear and hate. Ignoring love, pity, etc. both teachings were incomplete in themselves. It's funny it's not unknown for non Jedi/sith force users to combine the "light" and "dark" sides but when Jedi and Sith try it they go insane. Kinda says there are fundamental flaws in their teachings doesn't it?
@@tyler-hp7oq They only killed some boring races that were irrelevant, honestly did us a favor with one less race to remember, Windu killed fan favorite commandos, you know the difference
What’s up with all the SW content creators on the Mace hate meat train? Maybe they’re catering to this younger edgy Gen Z crowd idk but he’s always been my top favourite Jedi.
Mace was a prick indeed but that Cone Headed Jedi Ki-Adi-Mundi was the worst laziest most useless Jedi in the Order. That dude never did anything useful. All he did was sit in his chair complaining about everything while Anakin and Obi-Wan did all the fighting.
Yes bro as a fellow Star Wars fan I’m growing to Hate Mace Windu even more to As further Lore gets exposed or created on the topics of how much the Jedi order under Yoda’s leadership was a done deal long before the clone war started 🤣🤷🏾♂️. Windu’s arrogance , self righteousness & him “believing” that he was the chosen one himself because of the actions he carries out annoys me to my core to🤣. Windu just needs to be quiet more , put a smile on his face from time to time & stop being so disrespectful to Anakin because the guy really did nothing to you on a personal level 🤦🏾♂️.
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Well, Mace was a prick…. I can kind of understand why they did not like him. Mace had absolutely no idea how to command ground troops. It’s like being an elite special forces unit of nighttime commandos that operate at night and this guy put you out at high noon in broad daylight and expect you to do the same thing without the cover of darkness, like you’ve been trained.
Pretty sure Mace was the type who would have gotten fragged....if not for the space wizardry keeping them from trying. Honestly, not sure all that many Jedi liked him either, respected sure, admired his skills of course, liked the arrogant prick...probably not.
It was the first battle, he had no experience.
@@themeking5509 and yet they put him in charge.
He’s the master of the order literally supposed to be the best of them and he hasn’t got any experience leading ground troops
@@Matt-yg8ub Bruh….maybe because he’s a keeper of the peace, not a soldier.
@@themeking5509 That’s even worse… he knew he was unqualified and led them to their death anyway.
I love clone commandos one of my favorite clone trooper variants in star wars
Agreed
for sure....
I'm willing to bet that he also sent regular clones on commando missions.
We see this on clone wars a lot
Man these Jedi did not need to be generals the regular clone commanders and Captains have shown that they are equal are even better than their Jedi general in the Field
Clone Wars show this as well. The Clones respected Anakin, Ahsoka, and Obi-Won at times but hated most of the other Jedi. The Jedi often saw the Clones as disposable robots and not real people. Even Obi-Won hints at that in the opening of Revenge of the Sith during the space battle.
Yep, look at Krell. If clones on the frontline can see the casualty rates under his command from official files, then so could the Council who would decide where new troopers would be sent and who they’d be serving under.
@@HelloThere734Krell was a Jedi who defected to the Separatists and fell to the dark side. He's the only Jedi in that show we see treating the clones poorly
@@histguy101 Most Jedi weren't outright cruel, but they were incompetent and, like many military commanders in our own world sadly, saw clones are mere pieces of the war machine instead of human beings. The Jedi of that era were the worst of all the eras when it came to leading armies. There's a reason we don't let priests lead armies (contrary to some popular claims, even in the Middle Ages, priests weren't leading armies).
I'm glad Jango fett is getting the respect on this channel. One of my personal favorite mandalorians. They definitely should do a Jango fett Open seasons live action disney plus series. They can also help introduce the man who personally trained Jango fett as an instinctive killer.
I'd have loved if jango survived geonosis so we could see him cut loose during the clone wars
@@johnmitchell4043 should totally be a what if episode of that upcoming series
Boba would probably be a better bounty hunter if jango lived too
The fetts are nothing but Star Wars version of a red shirt. We were robbed of a wilhelm scream for jango …
Correction he is a bounty hunter not a mandalorian
This sort of explains why there are massive amounts of commandos in the bad batch that are extremely loyal to the empire, and not as many newly recruited stormtroopers.
Huh. So Delta Squad and I have another thing in common, we all hate Master Windu. Good. Because they are my go to clones that I go to play with in my collection
Not gonna lie honestly mace windu to me is a worse character than jar jar binks
@@yami122 As a character, or as a person? Because I like him as a character, but not as a person. Mainly because he definitely was a douchebag but that reason is also the last piece in converting Anakin to the darkside.
Now you just putting your own biases against him.
No way would I got anywhere near to that sociopath sqaud. Rather windu or a saarlac than them.
@@yami122Mace Windu is a BOSS. You've no idea
Clone Commandos are my all time favorite Clone Tropper Variant.
You are a jedi hater then!
@marsMonkeyy Jedi hater or not they're still responsible for kidnapping force sensitive children and turning Anakin into Darth Vader so yeah I am a jedi hater😁
@@traytonvanderecken3311 no they didn’t kidnap no one. Get your facts straight
Interesting how some Commandos left the Republic and went to Mandalore. Also ironic that the remaining Commandos became Jedi assasins for Vader. Revenge for Jango. 😆
@@boomerang0101You mean they didn't kidnap "anyone." Your comment contains a double negative that implies they _did_ kidnap people. It's like the statement "I didn't say nothing." If you didn't say nothing, then you said _something,_ and in that sentence you're trying to say you didn't say anything.
Mace Windo has been shown multiple times to make hasty rash decisions because he thinks he knows better, it doesn’t help that very few in the order ever question Jim and those that do are Jedi like Anakin or Qui Gong Jinn, Jedis that are considered more abnormalities to the order than what they actually where, a counter point to ask if it was a good idea
Yeah honestly I always felt like his character was very poorly done
The story seems to want us to view him as a brilliant incredibly wise and powerful warrior and diplomat
But he just comes off as an arrogant idiot who has very poor social skills
I wouldn't question Jim
@@yami122 I view Windu as a really well thought out character, he perfectly embodies the Jedi Order at the time. Surface level he is wise and powerful but really he was only wise and powerful in his own eyes. The whole Jedi order was so caught up in thinking they defeated the sith and that they knew the best and only way to wield the light side that they didn’t realize they were making themselves weaker while training and radicalizing the next sith apprentice. But then again it could be pure luck and coincidence for the overlap and I could be completely over analyzing a poorly executed character. Haha
So the Clone Commandos were similar to units like the US Seal Team 6 or the British SAS (units trained to operate behind enemy lines), and Windu ordered them to do a WW1 type charge across an open battlefield. I heard a comparison about how US Army Rangers in WW2 were used being like using a surgeon's scalpel to cut open boxes, "you get the job done but you ruin the blade."
No, Geonosis wasn't some planned action. It was an emergency rescue mission and no one had worked with the clones before, nor had the clones experienced battle before, not even the commandos
Never knew that the commandos got so much influence in combat methods from the Mandalorians.
Mace Windu always came off to me as someone you were supposed to like, but couldn't help but dislike.
Same. Maybe he was different in The Clone Wars series, but he kinda rubbed me the wrong way in Revenge of the Sith, as he came across to me as dismissive and insensitive towards Anakin's struggles with the loss of his mother and his anxieties about Padme.
He also seemed to me to have a bit of a bias against Anakin in ROTS due to thinking he never should have been trained or allowed into the Jedi Order at all for that matter. He seemed to have this attitude towards Anakin that no matter what, Anakin would never be good enough or fully accepted as a true member. He just didn't seem to have hardly any respect for Anakin.
And as someone who felt some relatability to Anakin and looked up to Anakin in some way, I guess I felt like I myself was being dismissed or disrespected by Windu whenever he scolded Anakin or brushed him aside. Hence, the feeling of being rubbed the wrong way. When seeing the prequels, especially ROTS in particular, I respected Windu for his impressive strength and skill, but in the back of my mind, I guess I felt like he was kind of a d*ck in terms of personality.
@@johnwalker1058 yeah hes a racist jerk and prefers alien goofy being jar jar than his own flesh and blood or his own race which anakin is
@@johnwalker1058you look up to Anakin skywalker, bud he's a fictional character
The irony is that I felt like Mace Windu and Anakin Skywalker were very much alike and would have made a great Master/Padawan combo. This is how life works though, sometimes the person most like you ends up being the most difficult person you encounter.
Well said🤙@@volbound1700
The cammando’s became the purge troopers, didn’t see that one coming.
"Our Boys in White" I like that term. And Mace should've have ordered the commando's to charge. It was so wrong of him to do that.
Needless death. Should have the Elite unit complete sneak attacks and sabotage behind enemy lines instead. What a fool. 🤔
Why? How's he even supposed to know who's a commando and who's not, and what they're capable of in the literal first hour of the war when they've never met each other?
To answer your question, I'd say the two issues get two different answers.
Killing Jango: That I think the commandos could have gotten over. They respected more than loved Jango. As you said it was mostly other mercenaries that trained the commandos, and they viewed those mercenaries as parents more from what I remember. In addition, Jango picked the fight with Windu and even the commandos couldn't condemn Windu for not wanting to die. They'd always resent him for it on some level, but frankly it's likely Jango would have been their enemy soon after if Windu didn't kill him.
As for the getting them butchered because Windu is an idiot: There isn't enough words in all the languages in both the real world and star wars universe to create the right phrases to overcome that. Commando missions in general require absolute trust from the bottom up, and Windu violated that in the worst way imaginable by sending them into infantry combat and ignoring their skills. The fact that the commandos almost certainly saw many of the other Jedi behaving in an non-militaristic manner that was getting people killed would have further alienated them. On top of this, they saw most of the people that were their brothers getting slaughtered due to incompetance. While true, most clones saw each other as brothers, the 4 man commando squads were true brothers in every sense, they lived, ate and trained together 24/7, they practically had no lives outside of that cell. Some of the cells had 3 out of 4 wiped out. Hell, this wasn't mentioned in the video, but Omega Squad was pulled together from those orphans. Omega was made up of commandos who had lost all their squadmates. No way that would be overcome. Windu would never be forgiven, and the other Jedi would have to bend over backwards to gain even a small amount.
All this is without even considering the Mandalorian culture element, which can be admittingly more hit or miss. Like any group, some did have a fervent undying hate for force sensitives, others were more casual and mostly did it as a joke, and others did develop a respect for them. It varied wildly.
It's all nonsense. Geonosis was a baptism by fire for everyone. No one there had any experience except for a few individual Jedi who had faced droids before. The Jedi and clones had never worked together before and were thrown in.
Judging Mace's command ability based on minute 1 of the war, and not something we see on screen but some side lore from a video game is stupid
I fully agree that objectively, it was nonsense: noone in the Order was ready to command the army, and at that point, Windu was a much better fighter on the field than a field commander. That being said, clones were trained to fight alongside Jedi, so they were wrongfully given an assumption Jedi were prepared. Which was wrong, but Clones still believed it. As a result, when Jedi started making mistakes, some relationships went sideways. I completely resent the idea, however, that ALL of the Jedi were bad commanders.
@@anton.chigrinetc.96 Oh yeah, some were amazing commanders. Like Oppo Ranchis, I may have misspelled his name. He had battle meditation which made him a perfect commander. Aayla Secura also seemed a pretty good leader, more tactical than strategic in my opinion but you need both. Anakin seemed to adapt really well to tactical command, and Obi-wan seemed good, though I feel he should have been more strategic command because some of his tactical command was too Jedi-oriented. Overall my issue with Mace is that he showed a clear lack of wisdom. Not understanding how to command an army when you have no experience is one thing and something even the clones could have gotten over, but not realizing you don't know what you're doing or being too arrogant to admit it is a clear lack of wisdom. Wisdom isn't knowing everything, it's knowing that you don't know everything
I’d probably see things the same way if I were in their shoes. Palpatine’s plan was quite genius; the fate of the Order was sealed the moment they took command of the clone army.
Jedi as a whole had no business telling soldiers what to do. They were not generals yet. The clones should have been given over to Republic officers to command from the start and only jedi who had at least some idea of warfare be allowed to give orders, once they knew what they were doing.
I mean, the idea that 1 man is going to micro manage an entire battle field is insane. Especially if you dont even know the units you're using. I think their hatered is fair, but that doesn't mean it couldn't have been fixed later on.
Sometimes, considering the treatment of subordonnates, peoples take the Sith as absolutely worst because they were tough and the Jedi as the best because they were "nice" with them but as you can see, the sole differance between the two is kind of a matter of manners: Vador executed some admirals... who were incompetent and who wouldn't have hesitate a single second to do the same to their entier fleet to save their back, while with the Jedi it was " Please, dear dear clone... go die uselessly so I can get all the merit while I was absolutely useless, after all, you can barely be considered a living being..." So, in the end of the day you are still sent to death by a superior being... the sole differance is that one of them had a nice and calm voice and say "please" x)
Facts. Least with the sith you knew what you were getting. You live or die by your merit. The jedi bullshat their way around the issue
The fans simply ignore the incompetence and inaction of the Jedi because they're the "good guys"
@@jagerdergroe8604 That's the problem of the society we live in: there are "good guys" and "bad guys" both absolute, bad guys can't be anything but evil and good guys can't be anything but nice, no grey area (because, you know, grey areas ask to think and question and a lot of peoples hate it x) ).
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Because they could not have been incompetent? They are Force warriors, they have the innate ability for calculating strategy and tactics just by a virtue of slowing events down around them and being able to forsee things ten thousand steps ahead. Before Filoni came up with inhibitor chips idea (the only good idea by far he had), authours went great lengths of mental gymnastics to try "explain" the Order 66, as if Jedi were sort of a version of IRL Communist Commissars who were only good at sabotaging "ideologically incorrect" orders of Red Army commanders and sending troops to their inevitable demise (even though in fact, many of them found it more ideologically correct, if the enemy of the their revolution was destroyed by whatever means necessary and were just as eager to go fight and die with their troops...you know...like the Jedi).
It's just weird and dumb people seriously believe Jedi were all bad as commanders.
While what you said about Vader is true, Jedi themselves could not have been bad commanders by any stretch of logic. At least, not all of them. They were warriors trained for decades, the ability to forsee events ten steps ahead is a part of their training, even if combat was not their specialization, they are taught various disciplines, war-related included (because they are peacekeepers, which means they have to engage in various military matters as well), on such a profound level it would be completely illogical to believe the vast majority of them wouldn't fit in as generals.
I will never believe all those mental gymnastics about clones being "conditioned" to obey Jedi, and Jedi being bad. For all the butchery Filoni did to the EU, his idea with inhibitor chips was the only good one.
Please bro just make more video about legends. It's so cool and there is so much you can talk about.
I miss the old mandolorian lore
There was a video game solely related to Republic Commando, at the moment I didn't know much about the lore and still didn't know much about it. However, seeing this video I really want to play another game like that but with Order 66 mission. And well, yes, I really miss that side grip pump action shotgun.
Mace Windu apparently thought he was supposed to be the chosen one when he was a young jedi. When Anakin came on the scene as the real chosen one, Mace let his jealousy of Anakin overtake him and treated Anakin as such. Windu only got his council seat from stabbing his friend Dooku in the back (metaphorically). So yes, on the surface, Windu was an "honorable" jedi, but he was fueled by his own resentment all through the clone wars. How that went unnoticed within the council is beyond me, but, in my humble opinion, Mace Windu has always been a "holier-than-thou" cocky pos who the council only needed for his fighting skills as he was a skilled combatist. But that's all I'm going to give him as far as praise goes. It's because of jedi like him I was less saddened when the jedi order was humbled to its knees and brought to near extinction. Windu certainly had his karma coming if you ask me
To add to what you said he also had a major flow of viewing people as only an extension of their rank showing extreme respect to those with a higher rank than himself but to any one below him in rank he would treat openly like trash in front of others and had no problem using his own high rank as a shield too protect him from being talked back to
@yami122 Exactly. I find his lack of humility disturbing
Have similar thoughts myself and think he got the Council seat because his style of fighting relied on somewhat touching on the darker side of the Force, not the Dark Side exactly, but close, and he would resist the temptation each time. Think that made the Council see him as someone more immune to it and put these flaws as necessary for him to use this fighting style. But that made him think he was better than others because he was being treated as better for his unique style and peers that ignored these flaws and expected him to be able to use them to see coming dangers in battle.
That's a great point, love it! The show Tales of the Jedi shows (now) cannon how Mace Windu got his council seat. He undermined Dooku just when a council seat opened up, and he knew what he was doing. All the same, I also agree that's what the council saw him as - a formidable weapon against the dark side. Because Jedi at that time used people 😂 Just watch The Clone Wars to see what they put Anakin and Ahsoka through
@@breathofapollyon990 There is literally no canonical evidence to support the idea that Mace Windu believed he was the chosen one or that he was jealous of Anakin Skywalker While he may have had concerns about Anakin's emotional attachments and his susceptibility to the dark side, there is no indication that Mace Windu harbored jealousy towards Anakin in legends or in cannon in fact Mace Windu acknowledges that he indeed powerful but lacked control:
"He is powerful, the second only to Master Yoda. But he is still only a Padawan. And though he is a good friend, he is not yet a wise one. He is too young and, lately, too angry. Anger is the worst enemy of a Jedi, Master Yoda says. He knows this better than I do. Yet his is not the anger of the dark side, the malicious rage that leads to hate, and to suffering, and death. His is the quick, hot fury of a man betrayed by his own body, his own strength. His is the white-hot heart of a star in its death throes. He is Anakin Skywalker: bright and powerful and full of life, he is a Jedi Knight, and it is ironic that he has come to embody all that we fear"-Mace Windu
"Anakin Skywalker is strong in the Force. He is stronger than any Jedi I have ever known. But he is still only a Padawan learner. He has yet to face the trials that will come with knighthood, and we can only hope that he will remain true to the Jedi Code. However, I have sensed a great deal of turmoil within him. His emotions are volatile, and he struggles to control them. This inner conflict could prove to be his greatest challenge as he continues his journey toward becoming a Jedi Knight"-Mace Windu
"Anakin Skywalker is a formidable Jedi Knight, his skills in the Force and with a lightsaber are unmatched by many. However, he is not without his flaws. His emotions often cloud his judgment, and his inner turmoil threatens to consume him. While his strength is undeniable, his path is fraught with danger. As Jedi, it is our duty to guide and mentor him, but we must also be mindful of the darkness that lurks within him."-Mace Windu
"Anakin is perhaps the most powerful Jedi alive. His skills in the Force are exceptional, and he wields a lightsaber with unmatched proficiency. However, that power comes with a price. Anakin is passionate, often allowing his emotions to guide him. While this intensity makes him a formidable warrior, it also exposes him to the dangers of the dark side. As Jedi, we must strive to guide him, help him find balance, and prevent the shadows that threaten to engulf him."-Mace Windu
"Anakin Skywalker is a Jedi of exceptional talent, unmatched by many of his peers. His connection to the Force is strong, and his prowess in combat is formidable. Yet, there is a darkness within him, a shadow that threatens to consume him. His emotions are a double-edged sword, driving him to greatness but also placing him in peril. As Jedi, we must walk a fine line in guiding him, for the path he treads is fraught with danger."-Mace Windu
These passages delve into Mace Windu's genuine concern for Anakin Skywalker's well-being and acknowledges his strength in the Force and overall skills as a jedi and as friend.
So glad someone is finally covering the brilliant novels of Karen Traviss!
I wish they'd do an animated style Vader series. ... Feel like it'd be less pressure & more of a realistic possibility if animated.
- Thanks as always for the upload. Your time, and efforts are much appreciated
Honestly? Ive just started learning Clone lore (im just getting to season 1 ep14 on bad batch 😅) but i have quickly learned that I really feel strongly for the bond that the clones have with one another. I even really love the 501st and their relationship with Vader. Any and all clone lore, especially from Legends continuity would be greatly appreciated.😊
Yes please more Clone Commandos videos thank you and may the force be with you.
More trooper lore please!
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Wow this is great info! May I ask how or where you find all this info? would love to read whatever the info is from, sounds great! Thanks
Most Jedi had less ability to lead armies than me. It was always ridiculous that they made people with no military training generals.
Well when you've been at peace for a 1k years, you don't really get a lot of practice in wars.
@@ramarblood7697 there were plenty of regional conflicts to give the officer corps experience. Promote mid level officers to generals. Have the Jedi as advisors.
@@kirkdavis2881 but that wasn't, at that time, the perview of the Jedi. So again, that would have turned the order into something it wasn't meant to be.
The more I re watch/read Star Wars, the more I feel for the clones and the less I like the Jedi of this era. ESPECIALLY Mace. He was such an arrogant tool and a total douche to everyone around him. Glad he (maybe) died honestly. Just came here to vent lol. Love the videos.
Almost 50% of commandos died in the battle of geononis, after that, their death rate dropped to a very low number, as mentioned in the republic commando novels (i forgot how low though, if anyone has it in their head please respond). Even the best spec ops soldier cant do anything if hes mowed down on an open field or shredded by bombs. They and also the normal clones, whose death rate was also shockingly high in this battle were used like droid cannon fodder. If they were led by actual military commanders, geonosis could have been the first and last battle of this war.
Mace was an idiot putting elite spec ops units in open warfare specially when they had limited numbers if anything commandos should have been held back and told to capture any high value targets if not possible to capture then kill
Yeah they wasted so many commandos by using them incorrectly
I mean it doesn't help the Jedi were told to take command when none of them had any military experience and the clones had no one else to replace them with in the chain of command. It was a bad situation by design to foster bitterness. That said if the Clones had been used by the Jedi Order of the Old Republic who were in constant wars with the Sith... they'd be happy little clams.
Imagine being at peace for 1k years, then getting slandered when you get told you got elite units ready to be deployed, you don't get told anything about their skill set, just that they are elite but since you order them to the frontlines and they die, you get slandered for getting them killed. Like seriously, you get thrown something you have little intel about and then get slandered for it cause you didn't use it right.
@@ramarblood7697 this! Your entire response is how people should see it. But yet, they just go, "he threw them in a meat grinder, the pleb." Never having any military experience, the clones never questioning orders, or giving a run down, yeah just a bad situation no matter what.
@@ramarblood7697 I mean windu could have very easily prevented that by asking what their set of skills are that make them elite
Why did my mind immediately jump to an image of the clone-commandos doing the Elmer-Fudd, “vewy vewy quiet,” walk up the Jedi? 😂
Very nice!!!
The Origin of Clone commandos taught by Mandolorian mercenaries while in theta brainwave the original clones was created 10 yrs before clone wars and the Clone trooper had 7 years while being in theta brainwave to stuff the knowledge deeply inside.
I do enjoy the clone commando armor function and thier blue visor.
This video is very misleading any commander who did not know the skills and training of your troops would have done the same. It seems there is this constant push to devalue Windu and lay blame for everything wrong with the Jedi this is a very Sith thing to do. Most people who do not first think in ways of manipulation with the sole purpose of hurting others so they can ignore their own pain do not think hey I can I be an ahole because their internal self is actually afraid and most constantly externalize their fear.
Ngl he deserved the hate from the commandos
Exept yoda and the High council
Awesome!
Why do people hate Windu soo much
Wish these the Commandos and Delta got their show, instead of the Bad Batch.
This seems super legends-ie.
Master of the order. ( not vice ) deputy supreme commander.
I wished you would have included ion team, a clone squad that refused to execute order 66 saved jedi and was executed by vader.
I mean mace wasn’t the friendliest person….
It's understandable. However, given the state of the jedi in that time, this sentiment and series of events would have happened regardless of which jedi were in charge in that Geonosian battle.
I can honestly understand their reasoning for their hate. And it’s why I fully respect all the clones during the clone wars.
They will always be my favorite
Edit: didn’t realize that my autocorrect changed “Clones” to “Cones” 😆
I don’t. Jango Fett was a scumbag.
Ah yes the cones
@@triangle82838 lol oh my god! 😆😆😆 let me fix that
@@iloveyoushima less of a scumbag than Windu.
The republic commandos, the ultimate starweebs.
I have a chem test coming up but this is more important
just cheat, thats how I passed every chem test I ever had, I even graduated early
Who wins? The bad batch vs Delta squad?
Would they have distrusted Anakin who did shady things? And what of Obi-wan that was always about being prepared and not reckless?
This is interesting. They were even more elite than 501. Which says a lot. I thought 501 was the best. I understand why Clone Commandos hated Windu. Windu was a fool for doing this. I think conversation could have resolve issues. They were definitely awesome! Vader got to lead his elite forces. May the Force be with you too😊
At the beginning of the video, you confused the Commandos for the Alpha Class ARCs
You killed my daddy ! Nooooooooo!
Windu was arrogant, folks blame Yoda but I think it was Windu and Yoda mainly that brought down the Jedi. Windu shouldn’t have ever been on the council with Yoda they reinforced their moral superiority. 😂
Death Vader doing our troops right
Imagine how different the Star Wars galaxy could of been if Mace hadn't of been such a diuche to Anakin his whole life? If he'd actually saw thw clones as worth saving and protecting like Plo Kloon. Mace was a major factor and reason behind the Jedi's fall.
This dude has gotta have about 1000 mace windu videos by this point lol. Mace is either his favorite character or worse lol.
He’s banking on the current Mace hate meat ride like the rest of the disingenuous SW content creators
Their attitude is completely understandable. Mace, and ALL the Jedi never should have been involved in the clone wars as Combatants or worse, General's.
Jedi should have used their brains 🧠 After iscovering clones were based on Jango. It's an obvious trap! 😄
Mace might be a hell of a fighter, but he's also one of the most hardline, fanatical jedi in the order who is downright unpleasant to those who don't toe his line or fit into his idea of how things should be. He alienated Dooku and later Anakin, treated the clones rather badly, preached the jedi way which he then instantly went against by trying to off Sidious (Okay, that case was kinda understandable) and he just seems rather unpleasant to be around. He is a downright badass though, but not to sort of guy you'd want to have a beer with.
Am I one of the only people who like Windu?
You’re not alone. These SW content creators are all riding the mace hate meat train.
More about the commandos.
No
Let’s go!
Hm not meant for open infantry combat. Guess DICE and EA didn't get the memo either.
Damn that was intense 😅
It's understandable
But may a conversation would have fixed it😅
Pretty sure nobody but high council members liked Windu at this point. He was the embodiment if everything wrong with the Jedi.
I hope Mace Windu defenders see this video 😊
Open combat should've been childs play to commandos so that makes little sense
Yes boys in white
This is also the reason many repulbilc naval officers quickly turned to the empire and thus very much and happily hunted down jedi.
Jedi did not possess the military knowledge and training the mil had.
Thus, the mil saw the Jedis as dangerous (in that the jedi - lacking any tactical training - did unecessarily cause the deaths of very valuable mil assets (men and machines).
Only through pure numerical superiority did the gAR win.
Really the Jedi should have been used as special forces too not as generals, they had no training and no business leading armies
Yes.
Too be fair, does anyone really like mace windu?. He’s such a prick that has it coming. He can be cool in action and might have some good qualities, but it’s not enough. No wonder he’s memes on
Yes, people do like Windu, i am one of them.
I like Windu, so let's not speak for "everybody".
What do you mean Mace had it coming? He may have flawed but has intentions. Mace risked his life serval times and helped Cham and his freedom fighters liberate Ryloth or how he prevented the Zillo Beast from being killed off or how during the battle Anaxes when Admiral Trench had a bomb that would destroy the planet he had everyone evacuated and was willing to guess the last digit to deactivate the bomb which would have kiled him. I agree that Mace Windu had his flaws with him being arrogant which Dooku points out during the non canon clone wars duling game and not having an backup plan when they found out count dooku was responsible for the creation of the droid army and selling out Ahsoka for political convince during her trial but in end Mace Windu was hero who was willing to give his life if the situation called for it and isnt as bad as most of the fandom making him out to be.
JORHAN STAHL SPEECH
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Personally I think it is, I mean really the Jedi have different types of nights why wouldn't he think oh maybe there's different type of clones too. So yeah it's mostly his fault.
Most off the commandos didn't participate in order 66. When the clone wars started they didn't know what kind of soldiers they had or there training. No knowledge of how to use them at first. They was trying to stop wars and put an end to terrony.
I never liked Windu in the first place and empathize with the commandos.
Windu is braindead? You don't say.
In my opinion, Mace is a misunderstood character. He is blamed for everything that went wrong with the jedi, which is so untrue. Windu is the embodiment of discipline and control. He is the best example of what a jedi should be in the eyes of the republic and her people.
Not rly
He is a hypocrite and let his emotions of jealousy and fear overtake him
Those emotions coming from Anakin
He criticizes Anakin for the same things Windu does
@@aceclover758 Dude what jealous?There is literally no canonical evidence to support the idea that Mace Windu believed he was the chosen one or that he was jealous of Anakin Skywalker While he may have had concerns about Anakin's emotional attachments and his susceptibility to the dark side, there is no indication that Mace Windu harbored jealousy towards Anakin in legends or in cannon in fact Mace Windu acknowledges that he indeed powerful but lacked control:
"He is powerful, the second only to Master Yoda. But he is still only a Padawan. And though he is a good friend, he is not yet a wise one. He is too young and, lately, too angry. Anger is the worst enemy of a Jedi, Master Yoda says. He knows this better than I do. Yet his is not the anger of the dark side, the malicious rage that leads to hate, and to suffering, and death. His is the quick, hot fury of a man betrayed by his own body, his own strength. His is the white-hot heart of a star in its death throes. He is Anakin Skywalker: bright and powerful and full of life, he is a Jedi Knight, and it is ironic that he has come to embody all that we fear"-Mace Windu
"Anakin Skywalker is strong in the Force. He is stronger than any Jedi I have ever known. But he is still only a Padawan learner. He has yet to face the trials that will come with knighthood, and we can only hope that he will remain true to the Jedi Code. However, I have sensed a great deal of turmoil within him. His emotions are volatile, and he struggles to control them. This inner conflict could prove to be his greatest challenge as he continues his journey toward becoming a Jedi Knight"-Mace Windu
"Anakin Skywalker is a formidable Jedi Knight, his skills in the Force and with a lightsaber are unmatched by many. However, he is not without his flaws. His emotions often cloud his judgment, and his inner turmoil threatens to consume him. While his strength is undeniable, his path is fraught with danger. As Jedi, it is our duty to guide and mentor him, but we must also be mindful of the darkness that lurks within him."-Mace Windu
"Anakin is perhaps the most powerful Jedi alive. His skills in the Force are exceptional, and he wields a lightsaber with unmatched proficiency. However, that power comes with a price. Anakin is passionate, often allowing his emotions to guide him. While this intensity makes him a formidable warrior, it also exposes him to the dangers of the dark side. As Jedi, we must strive to guide him, help him find balance, and prevent the shadows that threaten to engulf him."-Mace Windu
"Anakin Skywalker is a Jedi of exceptional talent, unmatched by many of his peers. His connection to the Force is strong, and his prowess in combat is formidable. Yet, there is a darkness within him, a shadow that threatens to consume him. His emotions are a double-edged sword, driving him to greatness but also placing him in peril. As Jedi, we must walk a fine line in guiding him, for the path he treads is fraught with danger."-Mace Windu
These passages delve into Mace Windu's genuine concern for Anakin Skywalker's well-being and acknowledges his strength in the Force and overall skills as a jedi and as friend.
@@aceclover758Y'all have skin so thin, you'd never make it in any military, if you think Mace treated Anakin poorly at all
Windu was the embodiment of the hubris due to a lack of inability to see past their own dogma that doomed the Jedi. I'm not saying that he was the cause of that hubris. Just that he was the embodiment of it. "The code forbids it."
@@histguy101 good thing I’m not gonna join the military
Trained in the ways of the most elite non jedi fighters in the galaxy, Cant adapt to open field combat to fight druids that walk in a straight line. lol how elite
Mace Windu led many Commandos to a brutal death in a frontal assault on Genosis.
who does this channel? i looked and cant find anything.
Mr Jackson is a superb actor. So upon watching him acting the role of Windu I found myself disliking & mistrusting the Jedi. Perhaps Samuel himself perhaps felt antipathy towards Windu.
More Clone wars
We always try and stack immunity as well - willy 0
So the worst betrayers in history of the Jedi hated Mace Windu. Means he was a great Jedi. Stop don’t bother arguing.
The difference difference between the Sith and the Jedi is the Jedi eyes don’t glow yellow.
I watched a “what if”, where Anakin didn’t kill count Dooku, but instead brought him back to stand trial and as the invisible hand crashed into the landing pad and took out the tower, and Kenobi says “another happy landing”.. Dooku comments that the Jedi shouldn’t be quite so cavalier about all of the innocent lives They just murdered by crashing into them with a starship.
The Jedi could sacrifice entire planets for “the greater good” without batting and I because they were at their core sociopaths with no emotional attachment to anything or anyone
That is why I think of the sith had embraced all emotions and passions they would have been the superior choice to Jedi.
@@markcarpenter6020 the use of the forest does not need to be entirely light or entirely dark, the same way the average person is not entirely light or entirely dark.
Think about a medieval monk … generally good people, but if you attack their monastery, they’re probably gonna kick your ass. The Jedi approach would be to kick out anyone who attacked the Viking invaders in anger… to see them as a potential threat and other them because they have emotions and use those emotions in battle. The Sith would probably just be a whole bunch of Vikings unnecessarily burning and pillaging simply for the fun.
@@Matt-yg8ub believe it or not the Vikings were just as likely to trade as they were to pillage. It all depended on how well defended the place was. They weren't nearly as barbaric as later stories made them out to be.
@@markcarpenter6020 I know… but I was really trying to use the monk analogy. Sidious spent 30 years using politics and diplomacy to get his way… then a day and a half waving his saber around to wipe out the Jedi…. Before another 20 years of administration and bureaucracy.
@@Matt-yg8ub honestly the Jedi and Sith both made a mistake by cutting themselves off from at least part of the source of their power. Jedi trained themselves to be sociopaths. As much as they accused the sith of only thinking of themselves the Jedi did the same by cutting themselves off from attachment. And the sith who claimed passion was their strength focused entirely on the passions of anger fear and hate. Ignoring love, pity, etc. both teachings were incomplete in themselves. It's funny it's not unknown for non Jedi/sith force users to combine the "light" and "dark" sides but when Jedi and Sith try it they go insane. Kinda says there are fundamental flaws in their teachings doesn't it?
Idk sounds like a bunch of haters to me. People in the comments too. Shout out Mace - the real ones rockin w/ you.
Anakin killed younglings and Doku killed yaddle. Both craved power and were on path to the darkside but somehow Mace gets all the hate.
Neither was responsible for losing half of the entire clone commando population in the first battle
@@salmonboyli2002Yeah they were just responsible for multiple genocides lol
@@tyler-hp7oq They only killed some boring races that were irrelevant, honestly did us a favor with one less race to remember, Windu killed fan favorite commandos, you know the difference
@@salmonboyli2002even though they’re fictional characters, it’s still very disturbing the way you talk.
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What’s up with all the SW content creators on the Mace hate meat train? Maybe they’re catering to this younger edgy Gen Z crowd idk but he’s always been my top favourite Jedi.
Mace was a prick indeed but that Cone Headed Jedi Ki-Adi-Mundi was the worst laziest most useless Jedi in the Order. That dude never did anything useful. All he did was sit in his chair complaining about everything while Anakin and Obi-Wan did all the fighting.
He fought in the first and second battle geonosis, getting more kills then Anakin and Obi-wan, so wouldn’t call him lazy, just a terrible person
It may not be a popular opinion, but::
The Clones were created specifically to destroy the Jedi. There is no way they would have ever been "cool"
THANK YOU! I keep saying this but everyone wants to argue Anakin and Rex or Kenobi and Cody, but they still turned on their Jedi when the time came
The Clone commandos pretty much hated all jedi
Day 385 of asking for a part 3 of what if anakin was trained by qui gon
Im do t like him too
The Commandos should have fragged windu right there on Geonosis , the galaxy would have been a lot better off without him .
Windu himself destroyed 100k droids, he can easily destroy commandos if he wanted to.
I think at this point you are just making up stuff.
Not gonna lie, as a non-clone I also dislike windu
Yes bro as a fellow Star Wars fan I’m growing to Hate Mace Windu even more to
As further Lore gets exposed or created on the topics of how much the Jedi order under Yoda’s leadership was a done deal long before the clone war started 🤣🤷🏾♂️.
Windu’s arrogance , self righteousness & him “believing” that he was the chosen one himself because of the actions he carries out annoys me to my core to🤣.
Windu just needs to be quiet more , put a smile on his face from time to time & stop being so disrespectful to Anakin because the guy really did nothing to you on a personal level 🤦🏾♂️.
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