Tekken 7 during the last 6 or so years has had actual TV series/anime type storylines unfold. - Lil Majin going crazy at EVO 2018 - Knee & his Combo Breaker 2019 run - The return of Qudans - Arslan Ash, his double EVO wins and the emergence of Pakistan being the new Tekken Powerhouse - PhiDX's run at CEO 2023 Been nothing but hype
When he said that It feels like an anime, the first thing i thought was, yeah Tekken 7 was a fricking anime, truly some of the best sport story of all time
20:10 its funny you mention that because there was very recently a woman in the UFC, Shi Ming, who is a doctor. Her parents didn't know that she was also an MMA fighter or that she was fighting with UFC. She earned the nickname Doctor Sleep after brutally knocking out her opponent with a head kick.
Would really love to see Flats in a Sajam Slam, I'd be very interested to see how he adapts to learning a new competitive game with proper coaching. He could do Street Fighter, but I get the feeling Flats would jive better with Tekken. Couldn't tell you why.
I don't know how accessible it is for someone completely outside of the FGC but I feel like the Core A Gaming video about Tekken in Pakistan would be an incredible watch for showing off the magic of the genre.
There's another Sajam Slam coming up. It's an all skill levels tournament for content creators of all sizes. The entrants are split into teams based on skill level and each team is coached by professional players to get them ready for the main event! Eskay was in the last two for Tekken and Street Fighter. Someone needs to convince Flats and Emongg to get in on it!
U know What's more interesting Ranghu did it again this year , with similar character , when everyone plays the meta Character, he still went with the bear and won another World tour
tbh kuma is pretty damn strong in tekken 8 alot of unfair guaranteed stuff and his chip damage is insane even tho he might not be as strong as yoshi and nina kuma is between A and S tier
The prize pool actually increased. The most recent tekken world tour finals was won by the same person and brought home $100,000. The prize pool was at $300,000.
That's nothing tho. Imagine dedicating all your time to compete just to get 100,000. That's a huge "maybe". And you have to travel in order to do that. That means a lot of expenses if you are not sponsored. Flights and hotels alone must be around 20K because you'd want to be there 1 day before the events to rest and it's usually 2 days so 3 days each tournament. And what if you underperform and get nothing or barely enough to cover the costs? You still need money to live your life. Who's gonna cover that? Unless you consistently place in top 8 it's not worth it. That's why tekken players started streaming.
@@tzitzitzitzi1584100 grand is already big for a Fighting Game, we don't have millions players that buys cosmetics like in League or Dota 2 so that they crack-up the prizepool from portion of the those cosmetic sales
The craziest part about high level tekken is that because of the nature of the game and how complex it is, not only do characters have so much variety but 2 people playing the same character can play completely differently using different moves in different ways. Makes it crazy fun to watch and make it probably the hardest competitive game out there to learn, at least in the FGC
Yoshimitsu in T7 is a lot more fun to watch despite being one of the lower tiered characters because of that variety. Eyemusician plays a more riskier, party on, oonga boonga style while Kaneandtrench plays a lot more safer version, just as an example. T8, on the other hand, while Yoshi has been buffed like heck, feels like everyone plays him more or less the same or at least had that same-ish style.
8:50 As someone who spends a lot of time in the Pokémon VGC sphere, this is very true. Earlier this year there was a regional in Uhtrecht in the Netherlands and somebody won with an Articuno Snow team. In short about the changes that made it possible in Generation 9, snow replaced hail as the "ice-type weather" and instead of doing damage each turn to any non-ice type, it instead effectively works as Sandstorm without the damage each turn where it gives a Defense boost to any ice type in snow. This combined with the Gen 9 battle gimmick being for Articuno to remove it's flying type to become a pure ice type allowed it to become a menace that was actually difficult to remove. Between having Snow Cloak (30% chance to miss on anything that does not ignore accuracy checks), the defense boost from Snow, and using Choice Specs to deal chunks of damage on both the opponent's mons, threatening to freeze and just be a nuisance. To give some context, most people would say that Articuno is not a good Pokémon. Despite it's legendary status, it's genuinely not a good mon. Iconic, sure. It's better than a lot of mons, especially from Gen 1. But as time has gone on and power creep has happened, Articuno is genuinely considered one of the worse legendaries out there. But, with the format at the time and what was available, it was one of those "all the factors aligned" moments and Articuno got it's first regional victory. The current format, Regulation H, has had A LOT of just weird teams that revitalized a lot of people's feelings on competitive pokemon because they banned all of the legendary pokemon, and the paradox pokemon (gen 9 exclusive mons) and while there has been a very clear top tier choices, some teams just brings out a lot of werid stuff and it's been great to see mons that has literally never seen usage before perform well because they finally got a chance to do so. It's a shame that it ends at new years and we're going back to the previous Regulation with one box-art legendary per team. Never thought I'd sit here and write about Pokémon in a video about Tekken, on an Overwatch player's third channel. But here we are.
"It's like Hungrybox playing Jigglypuff in smash" "That reference is lost to me" Now we need Flats to react to "There will never be another player like Hungrybox"
He already said that fighting games really weren't his thing, but honestly that could just be coming from a place of not understanding fighting games. I'd love to see him and emongg get in on it together, could be a fun rivalry! Thinking about it, the reasons he likes the Reinhardt mirror match are present in a lot of fighting games. Reading your opponents intentions, reacting to shatters and pins, looking for openings to shatter when they are vulnerable to it, managing your spacing with the enemy rein. That's the essence of fighting games right there.
@@kevingriffith6011 I think him and Emongg joining would be super fun. Although, I'd have them in different teams just so they can have that playful banter back and forth. Ha ha ha ha!
Most people only deal with and use 20% of their moves. Generally being if you have 3 grab tech, universal jab, df1 universal mid poke, 1 or 2 different launchers, 2 to 4 counter hit paunchers, 10-15+ frame moves for each frame punish, 2 to 3 low pokes, 1 or 2 tracking moves, armor move, then in low ranks more cheese is used with more moves. Then you gotta now add in more parrys and changes in heat, along with heat smashes, stances with their extensions. Extensions to moves are separately counted in the move list, so you can know whats possible based off the first move. This all sounds more complicated than it is, but you will remember a bunch of these moves, but the difficulty is the muscle memory, downloads, spacing, and execution.
Yes but before you get there, you'll be eating snake edges, can openers, junkyards, the whole strings of movelist the opponents will try to throw at you basically.
@tfk2328 that's why I added the low rank cheese part. People aren't throwing out the snake edges and stuff at kishin and up usually because it's reactable. Can opener is gonna stop working around that point too.
@@memphisacosta2145My point is that those moves I've mentioned are just a few of many more. Reaching blue means you've eaten some of these moves at least a few times already. It's a long process before high level play even starts.
Fighting game tourney's seem like such an anomaly for esports because so many other esports are team based, have whole orgs, and huuuuge budgets behind them, but like, half of the circuit for TWT 2024 was grassroots tournaments that are ran off of entrance fees. Bamco putting in 100k for the final pot this year helped some too though. There are some signed players in fighting games, especially street fighter/guilty gear, but it's far less necessary really and you'll see a lot of unsigned players in pretty much anything that isn't TWT. EVO is still the biggest fighting game tournament and is still just an entirely open bracket that thousands of people sign up for (something like 5k entrants for tekken 8 this past EVO). Really it's just a lot cheaper to get enough people out for a fighting game tournament to run. having a top 8 in a fighting game is 8 people not like 40-48 or something that it would be in a 5v5/6v6 game. I have to imagine it's a whole lot cheaper in general for them to run TWT as a result of all the events the FGC would be running with or without Bamco and have a big finale for it all. that being said, the Esports world cup did a tekken bracket with a million-dollar Pot. Hard to say what that stunt was really meant for or if it accomplished their goals since it's a real first but clearly there's interest in putting that kinda money in.
(12:33) For the stun lock thing on the Devil Jin smashed against the wall, it's the equivalent of Reinhardt getting stun grenaded, hacked, frozen, and slept. You don't want to get smashed against the wall because you can get blown up, so to speak. A similar concept can be applied in other disadvantage states like getting knocked in the air, stunned, or on the ground. (13:12) As for the dancing, it's essentially like you're trying to jiggle peek the Widow and snipe them in return. Both players are dancing in and out of each other's effective range, baiting them to swing and miss. And if they miss, it's an elongated hitbox, so the other player can tap the overextended limb for free and may lead to combos. If you hear the term "neutral", this is kinda sorta what they're talking about. There are other aspects of neutral like throwing out "jabs" or fireballs, but I digress. (17:38) Then, for the grand finals thing, the reason why the player from the losers bracket has to win against the player from the winners bracket again is because they drag the player from winners into losers. The term in the FGC is "resetting the bracket.
I love seeing Harada at the all the Tekken Events. For those that don't know, he was on the saying "Panda.... Really?" and he is the Tekken Game Director and Producer
If Flats is interested in learning more about Tekken history I think he should watch an Arslan Ash documentary and how he singlehandedly put Pakistan on the radar for Tekken tournaments.
Also, Rangchu has Julia as a secondary character in T7. One of the higher tier characters in the roster so he's not really handicapping himself * all * the time.
@@RamonaPD I never said it didn't matter nor that using Panda in that level of competition was not a great feat. He substitutes Julia depending on the matchup which is understandable considering Kuma/Panda has a terrible matchup against the Mishimas, Geese, and Akuma for example.
@@RandalReid sure I get that, but at the top of the bracket fighting the best players in the world he picked panda. Im not denying what you’re saying either but I feel like it’s just not important lol? he’s a good enough player that I think he could’ve gotten through the lower rounds of tournament with just about any character he focused on, and he tried using multiple different top tiers vs the good dvjs with no success in the past. But he comes back to win it all on panda. Your original comment just sounds like it’s trying to downplay that fact for some reason even if that’s not what you’re trying to do
@@RamonaPD I completely have no idea how saying he uses Julia somehow downplays his accomplishment when you yourself can't explain it - "...trying to downplay the fact for * some reason *..." - that is what you said, yes? Which is a strange takeaway. Him using Julia * is * a fact, * it happened *, there are videos of that here on RUclips. Most pros have a secondary or third character in their pocket, a normal thing and not some admission of weakness either. That's just playing strategically. They are playing on a tournament, they do everything they can to maximize their chance. Nothing out of the ordinary there. Can't comprehend how somehow saying he has another character, which he did, is minimizing his skill or achievement.
Right so neither of us are wrong you just keep making useless statements. he beat the BEST players on the BIGGEST TOURNAMENT. IN TEKKEN. WITH. PANDA. so i just don’t know why you’re still bringing that shit up. Yes you aren’t wrong, you are just wasting everyone’s time typing up this useless shit
4:21 You won't be using most of those hundred moves. Some of them are so situational, puts you in so much negative frames, or would only work if your opponent just fell asleep mid-match. Also, a number of those are just a moves that chain to other moves and counted as a separate move. Setting pro matches aside, in a regular online match, you'd see the same set of core moves and setups for each character for most of the time, you'd eventually be familiar how to counter or to tell when it's your turn. Yoshimitsu main here since T3 by the way.
Fun bit of extra to this story: As said in the video at 19:52 Rangchu didn't tell his parents. Well, now he's a dad himself, and this year was able to win the World Tour finals again, once more with a bear character, Kuma. Should be noted Kuma is no where near the same trash tier Panda was in T7, but there still aren't that many people picking the character at the absolute top tier. Oh and now the scene for the game is more global now, with some absolute killer players coming out over the last few years, particularly from Pakistan. So to win it again with Kuma, while fresh blood absolute killers are in the scene playing top tiers, is damn impressive still.
22:10 Capcom essentially did something like this for Street Fighter 6, dropping two million dollars for a big global tournament (grand prize being one million). It was 100% a marketing stunt, but it worked well enough that they're doing it again. Naturally there's real problems with it for the players (a ton of money goes to like 4 players, the rest get very little), but frankly that's to be expected in E-Sports: the companies have to turn a profit somehow as much as I'd love the incredibly dedicated players to be able to put their full attention into this, there just isn't enough prize money to make sure everyone gets paid and sponsors are naturally leery of putting big money on a genre as niche as fighting games.
What's sad is that, as mentioned, he did what was thought as impossible for a measly $7500 grand prize. Thankfully, he won this year's Tekken World Tour (the only 2-time TWT champion) with another bear character for $100k.
9:06 him being this high level at his character is comparable to Rocky on Wolverine most of the time, however tekken is a legacy series where if you know how to play against in the games before, you can do it in the latest version most of the time. So the players he had to beat being long time tekken players means they were way more experienced in the wacky matchup than the new players. Which just makes Rangchu even more impressive
Btw about the arcade shutting down, I dont know what the exact story is for Green Arcade, but Covid hit the Arcade scene really hard, basically no Arcades survived it because they already werent doing well and were kinda coasting on their regulars to keep coming back, but when covid hit it forced most placed to close just cause people couldnt gather any more. I wouldn't be surprised if the same thing happened to Green, and the Arcades shutting down hit the FGC scene hard since the Community in Fighting Game Community is like....a really big deal.
Best thing about Rangchu is that, despite staying pretty quiet for the rest of Tekken 7's lifetime, he recently came back and won a Tekken 8 major as a bear. Mans a legend
Flats reaction at watching footsies was great. Yeah, you get juggled to the moon and back so gotta dance and fish for punishes. Also u were right on the pokemon example, matchups are big and no one would practice matchups against panda. Edit: the turtle neck energy bit is funny cuz i’d say knee is scarier.
About those 100+ moves by character, it creates an amazing variety of ways to play only one character. I play Tekken since Tekken 3 and I've placed in the higher ranks in my days on Tekken 7. Even if there are some kind of metas emerging over the years with the multiple patchs. This variety of moves always feels refreshing. It means you can main the same character as your opponent while having a totally playstyle than him. As a king main, I have a really agressive playstyle based on constant oppression, so I favor using my launchers and trow combinaison a lot. But a guy who plays King more defensivly will manage the distance to favor punishing attacks. The best part of that game is that both playstyles are relevant for the same character. But on the other hand, Tekken bein a legacy game means it's really difficult for beginners to play competitive.
Holy watching this is insane to me. As a sweaty ass Tekken player that has watched that documentary several times. Now having it being watched by Flats whom I have been learning so much since I've been getting sweaty on Rivals/OW. It feels full circle
That one chatter that said "This is like Hungrybox playing Jigglypuff in smash" either does NOT know anything about smash, or they forgot to specify which game. Cause Hbox playing Puff in Melee is just playing a top tier, but if it's Puff in Sm4sh, then they're right. lmao
Theres a video about green arcade and it closing. There was also a lot of stuff that was inside green arcade like pros trophies that they had to fight to get back.
The game I think Flats is talking about is Guilty Gear (GG). Specifically the GG:Strive community. I haven't heard the most vitriol and toxic shit going on in the FGC since Smash Bros. Melee. If you know, you know.
Yooo tekken is cool ! You should check out another video from those guys, where the same player won the first tekken world tour of the new game (tekken 8)
I remember when it came out that Rangchu won with Panda and I was both happy and extremely confused given how outlandish the Panda pick was. Still happy to see some variety in top Tekken placements though!!
I play fgs (Tekken is my main) and have only recently gotten into hero shooters. Bro, I feel like every selfish dps-ers should get into fgs because it'll humble you REAL quick. Not only do you have no one to blame but yourself, the mental stack can get pretty crazy since you have no one to really focus on but your own performance (or anything else gameplay wise to distract you). It builds really good habits too. Granted there's always going to be insanely selfish and tunnel visioned players who will blame everything else but themselves... but in fgs that's more mitigated because there's nowhere to really hide excuses. Hell, like it's touched upon here... the community has to go through this cycle every time there's a new entry because ppl just like to complain for the most part because people hate change and having to adapt is harder than just complaining about it 24/7 (and we live on the internet now so EVERYBODY'S chirping). But if you buckle down and just focus on your own performance in an fg, it's one of the most eye opening experiences ever. Took me a very long time to rack up the courage to get into it, but once I did, it's extremely fun (and educational)!
Naaaaaaahhh... DPS scrubs would just blame their controller, or the sun was in their eyes, or the lag, or their opponent for picked a cheap character or does cheap moves, or their monitor not at the right distance, or their tummy hort. Etc. 😂
Nahh they’d blame the enemy for spamming broken moves and being stupid mashers playing cheesy moves or OP moves while they are the Fundamentals Player 😂
0:42 It's gotta be Guilty Gear, right? It HAS to be. Ever since the devs made Bridget canonically trans, every "fighting game fan" came crawling out of the woodwork to make the community as unfriendly and unsafe to LGBT players as possible.
Also Flats if by any chance you get to read this, the Green Arcade was closed by the Pandemic. And Rangchu actually won Tekken World Tour again this year
To be fair Flats, Tekken characters might have a ton of moves to learn, but you only end up using maybe a third of them. That's how optimized Tekken has become over the years, and it has been that way since Tekken 5, which came out onto consoles in 2004, but most likely had an arcade release years prior so it's been that way since maybe the late 90s. Also, Green Arcade has since closed it's doors. Which, sadly, makes a lot of sense. Arcades are unfortunately very much a thing of the past. Edit: Also, if you react to more FGC content, I highly suggest watching CoreAGaming and some of his videos. They're very informative while also being simple and easy to understand.
We got a panda player at the locals I go to and he typically kicks everyone's shit in every tournament. I've seen him lose a tournament ONCE and it was a HARD fought loss
Tekken 8 is a fantastic game. People just dislike it because theres it just ends up being 50/50's a lot. Its very offensive, defensive play seems highly useless because of how overpowered the HEAT mechanic is. The Tekken 8 hate is overblown as hell IMO.
That chatter that made a Puff comparison has no clue what they're talking about. Puff is not played in Melee because her optimal playstyle is antithetical to what most people like about Melee. Panda is not played in Tekken because she's a bottom tier terrible character.
AND HE DID IT AGAIN THIS YEAR AND BECAME THE VERY FIRST TEKKEN 8 WORLD TOUR CHAMP WITH KUMA, RANGCHU IS MY GOAT RRRRAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH THE 2-TIME BEAR CHAMP RRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH
"didn't Eskay just get masters? thats impressive" Me a Tekken player looking at the rankings, Master rank in tekken is equivalent to bronze 4 in OW rankings are different titles and the top rankings are Raijin - Tekken God, beyond that is where you reach like top .1% like tekken god prime and in Tekken 8 god of destruction
Hey flats when it comes to the resetting the bracket, final losers has to beat final winners twice, think of it like this. In fighting game tournaments, a player has to lose twice to be out. To get into losers bracket, is to have lost 1 match, so a second loss means youre out. The winner at the end of the road means they havnt lost a single match. So the top loser has to beat him twice, one to reset, one to get him out
Shiiit if we watchin some ”Good Ass Tekken™” you gotta check out The Score- ESports covering Lil Majin. And for FGC videos in general *Hayao* recently did some incredible shit at EVO on 3rd Strike.
That was tekken7 he just did it again in tekken8 with kuma..the fgc is rough dont play if you can handle saltiness..because we spend years getting to these levels and its a rush putting your rank on the line.
Fighting games require a lot of predictions, clips you see is not representative of character strenght. Strenght of character based on available options and how fast they are. Stun locking you see is regular combo, everyone can do that. Panda in tekken have less moves and kinda slower than others, much more opportunities to get beaten. But this dude compensate it with reading his opponent and they tend to panic more because don't know what panda can do, panic in fighting force you to do something stupid.
Tekken is a game of knowledge checks. Nobody plays panda so no one knows how to play against her. But even with all, Rangchu still has to play “Tekken” he’s got great defense and movement
Hey Tekken fan here few things I thought I could clear up Resets are a grand final Tekken norm most if not all tournaments do this Panda is THE WORST in Tekken 7 not as bad as launch lifeweaver everyone is “usable” though at the highest level a character based on unknown stuff in an area where everyone knows everything the damn bear is useless he just played neutral better That movement is called a Korean back dash where you cancel the back dash with a crouch at breakneck speed mainly used on a Korean lever the funky paddle board their using Tekken is THAT HARD this series has been out a for 30 years and legacy skills definitely translate think of aim basically the same thing And evo has around 3k players in Tekken in the year he won ( I think ) so he had to beat around probably 100 people including the best of the best doing top 48 is a good performance with top tier let alone panda Tekken world tour is evo but just better players Tekken is full of stories I hope flats brings them to the light because they’re actually movie worthy Ik this was long but if you want a competitive experience pick up Tekken you won’t regret it it takes minimum 100 hours to get to grips with and you will learn everyone you play no matter how much time Thanks for reading
Tekken 7 during the last 6 or so years has had actual TV series/anime type storylines unfold.
- Lil Majin going crazy at EVO 2018
- Knee & his Combo Breaker 2019 run
- The return of Qudans
- Arslan Ash, his double EVO wins and the emergence of Pakistan being the new Tekken Powerhouse
- PhiDX's run at CEO 2023
Been nothing but hype
MAKE THIS GUY REACT TO ARSLAN VIDEOOO
When he said that It feels like an anime, the first thing i thought was, yeah Tekken 7 was a fricking anime, truly some of the best sport story of all time
Flats needs up watch the lil majin the score video
20:10 its funny you mention that because there was very recently a woman in the UFC, Shi Ming, who is a doctor. Her parents didn't know that she was also an MMA fighter or that she was fighting with UFC. She earned the nickname Doctor Sleep after brutally knocking out her opponent with a head kick.
Get knocked out, then get taken care of by the opponent. Ha ha ha ha!
Would really love to see Flats in a Sajam Slam, I'd be very interested to see how he adapts to learning a new competitive game with proper coaching.
He could do Street Fighter, but I get the feeling Flats would jive better with Tekken. Couldn't tell you why.
Need more FlatsxFGC content!
I don't know how accessible it is for someone completely outside of the FGC but I feel like the Core A Gaming video about Tekken in Pakistan would be an incredible watch for showing off the magic of the genre.
There's another Sajam Slam coming up. It's an all skill levels tournament for content creators of all sizes. The entrants are split into teams based on skill level and each team is coached by professional players to get them ready for the main event! Eskay was in the last two for Tekken and Street Fighter. Someone needs to convince Flats and Emongg to get in on it!
Could you imagine if he watched the Melee Documentary? I would be so down to watch him react to that
He need to react to Arslan Ash story and Evo moment 37
yeh no thanks
U know What's more interesting Ranghu did it again this year , with similar character , when everyone plays the meta Character, he still went with the bear and won another World tour
Kuma for those interested.
Bears are really good now though
@@baconbitz7804 i agree, but compare to dragunov and nina?
tbh kuma is pretty damn strong in tekken 8 alot of unfair guaranteed stuff and his chip damage is insane even tho he might not be as strong as yoshi and nina kuma is between A and S tier
Those bears aren’t low tier. Stop with that downplay
12:34 flats not knowing what a combo is kinda killed me
The prize pool actually increased. The most recent tekken world tour finals was won by the same person and brought home $100,000. The prize pool was at $300,000.
That's nothing tho. Imagine dedicating all your time to compete just to get 100,000. That's a huge "maybe". And you have to travel in order to do that. That means a lot of expenses if you are not sponsored. Flights and hotels alone must be around 20K because you'd want to be there 1 day before the events to rest and it's usually 2 days so 3 days each tournament. And what if you underperform and get nothing or barely enough to cover the costs? You still need money to live your life. Who's gonna cover that? Unless you consistently place in top 8 it's not worth it. That's why tekken players started streaming.
@@tzitzitzitzi1584100 grand is already big for a Fighting Game, we don't have millions players that buys cosmetics like in League or Dota 2 so that they crack-up the prizepool from portion of the those cosmetic sales
The craziest part about high level tekken is that because of the nature of the game and how complex it is, not only do characters have so much variety but 2 people playing the same character can play completely differently using different moves in different ways. Makes it crazy fun to watch and make it probably the hardest competitive game out there to learn, at least in the FGC
Yoshimitsu in T7 is a lot more fun to watch despite being one of the lower tiered characters because of that variety. Eyemusician plays a more riskier, party on, oonga boonga style while Kaneandtrench plays a lot more safer version, just as an example. T8, on the other hand, while Yoshi has been buffed like heck, feels like everyone plays him more or less the same or at least had that same-ish style.
8:50 As someone who spends a lot of time in the Pokémon VGC sphere, this is very true. Earlier this year there was a regional in Uhtrecht in the Netherlands and somebody won with an Articuno Snow team. In short about the changes that made it possible in Generation 9, snow replaced hail as the "ice-type weather" and instead of doing damage each turn to any non-ice type, it instead effectively works as Sandstorm without the damage each turn where it gives a Defense boost to any ice type in snow. This combined with the Gen 9 battle gimmick being for Articuno to remove it's flying type to become a pure ice type allowed it to become a menace that was actually difficult to remove. Between having Snow Cloak (30% chance to miss on anything that does not ignore accuracy checks), the defense boost from Snow, and using Choice Specs to deal chunks of damage on both the opponent's mons, threatening to freeze and just be a nuisance.
To give some context, most people would say that Articuno is not a good Pokémon. Despite it's legendary status, it's genuinely not a good mon. Iconic, sure. It's better than a lot of mons, especially from Gen 1. But as time has gone on and power creep has happened, Articuno is genuinely considered one of the worse legendaries out there. But, with the format at the time and what was available, it was one of those "all the factors aligned" moments and Articuno got it's first regional victory.
The current format, Regulation H, has had A LOT of just weird teams that revitalized a lot of people's feelings on competitive pokemon because they banned all of the legendary pokemon, and the paradox pokemon (gen 9 exclusive mons) and while there has been a very clear top tier choices, some teams just brings out a lot of werid stuff and it's been great to see mons that has literally never seen usage before perform well because they finally got a chance to do so. It's a shame that it ends at new years and we're going back to the previous Regulation with one box-art legendary per team.
Never thought I'd sit here and write about Pokémon in a video about Tekken, on an Overwatch player's third channel. But here we are.
"It's like Hungrybox playing Jigglypuff in smash"
"That reference is lost to me"
Now we need Flats to react to "There will never be another player like Hungrybox"
Flats for Sajam Slam
I Concur
He already said that fighting games really weren't his thing, but honestly that could just be coming from a place of not understanding fighting games. I'd love to see him and emongg get in on it together, could be a fun rivalry!
Thinking about it, the reasons he likes the Reinhardt mirror match are present in a lot of fighting games. Reading your opponents intentions, reacting to shatters and pins, looking for openings to shatter when they are vulnerable to it, managing your spacing with the enemy rein. That's the essence of fighting games right there.
@@kevingriffith6011 I think him and Emongg joining would be super fun. Although, I'd have them in different teams just so they can have that playful banter back and forth. Ha ha ha ha!
@@kevingriffith6011 Team Flats,Emongg,Jay3,Karq,Eskay would amazing too see
I love seeing people in chat be misinformed about the FGC
Someone kept talking about Jigglypuff being bad in Melee and I was practically screaming, she's never been bad in Melee 😭
He definitely needs to watch the Lil Majin Video, suplexing the Tekken Gods. That run is HYPE AF
Most people only deal with and use 20% of their moves. Generally being if you have 3 grab tech, universal jab, df1 universal mid poke, 1 or 2 different launchers, 2 to 4 counter hit paunchers, 10-15+ frame moves for each frame punish, 2 to 3 low pokes, 1 or 2 tracking moves, armor move, then in low ranks more cheese is used with more moves.
Then you gotta now add in more parrys and changes in heat, along with heat smashes, stances with their extensions.
Extensions to moves are separately counted in the move list, so you can know whats possible based off the first move.
This all sounds more complicated than it is, but you will remember a bunch of these moves, but the difficulty is the muscle memory, downloads, spacing, and execution.
Yeah, my main Lili, she has 80 moves or so, but you only really use 10-20 in neutral and in offense, the rest are either just gimmicky or plain suck.
Yes but before you get there, you'll be eating snake edges, can openers, junkyards, the whole strings of movelist the opponents will try to throw at you basically.
@tfk2328 that's why I added the low rank cheese part. People aren't throwing out the snake edges and stuff at kishin and up usually because it's reactable. Can opener is gonna stop working around that point too.
@@memphisacosta2145My point is that those moves I've mentioned are just a few of many more. Reaching blue means you've eaten some of these moves at least a few times already. It's a long process before high level play even starts.
@@tfk2328 I pray that flats seeing this video is a sign that tekken will grow even more
Fighting game tourney's seem like such an anomaly for esports because so many other esports are team based, have whole orgs, and huuuuge budgets behind them, but like, half of the circuit for TWT 2024 was grassroots tournaments that are ran off of entrance fees. Bamco putting in 100k for the final pot this year helped some too though. There are some signed players in fighting games, especially street fighter/guilty gear, but it's far less necessary really and you'll see a lot of unsigned players in pretty much anything that isn't TWT. EVO is still the biggest fighting game tournament and is still just an entirely open bracket that thousands of people sign up for (something like 5k entrants for tekken 8 this past EVO).
Really it's just a lot cheaper to get enough people out for a fighting game tournament to run. having a top 8 in a fighting game is 8 people not like 40-48 or something that it would be in a 5v5/6v6 game. I have to imagine it's a whole lot cheaper in general for them to run TWT as a result of all the events the FGC would be running with or without Bamco and have a big finale for it all. that being said, the Esports world cup did a tekken bracket with a million-dollar Pot. Hard to say what that stunt was really meant for or if it accomplished their goals since it's a real first but clearly there's interest in putting that kinda money in.
(12:33) For the stun lock thing on the Devil Jin smashed against the wall, it's the equivalent of Reinhardt getting stun grenaded, hacked, frozen, and slept. You don't want to get smashed against the wall because you can get blown up, so to speak. A similar concept can be applied in other disadvantage states like getting knocked in the air, stunned, or on the ground.
(13:12) As for the dancing, it's essentially like you're trying to jiggle peek the Widow and snipe them in return. Both players are dancing in and out of each other's effective range, baiting them to swing and miss. And if they miss, it's an elongated hitbox, so the other player can tap the overextended limb for free and may lead to combos. If you hear the term "neutral", this is kinda sorta what they're talking about. There are other aspects of neutral like throwing out "jabs" or fireballs, but I digress.
(17:38) Then, for the grand finals thing, the reason why the player from the losers bracket has to win against the player from the winners bracket again is because they drag the player from winners into losers. The term in the FGC is "resetting the bracket.
Damn bro you translated the fuck out of that
I love seeing Harada at the all the Tekken Events. For those that don't know, he was on the saying "Panda.... Really?" and he is the Tekken Game Director and Producer
If Flats is interested in learning more about Tekken history I think he should watch an Arslan Ash documentary and how he singlehandedly put Pakistan on the radar for Tekken tournaments.
Also, Rangchu has Julia as a secondary character in T7. One of the higher tier characters in the roster so he's not really handicapping himself * all * the time.
Right but he beat the BEST players with panda which is what matters at the end of the day lol
@@RamonaPD I never said it didn't matter nor that using Panda in that level of competition was not a great feat. He substitutes Julia depending on the matchup which is understandable considering Kuma/Panda has a terrible matchup against the Mishimas, Geese, and Akuma for example.
@@RandalReid sure I get that, but at the top of the bracket fighting the best players in the world he picked panda. Im not denying what you’re saying either but I feel like it’s just not important lol? he’s a good enough player that I think he could’ve gotten through the lower rounds of tournament with just about any character he focused on, and he tried using multiple different top tiers vs the good dvjs with no success in the past. But he comes back to win it all on panda. Your original comment just sounds like it’s trying to downplay that fact for some reason even if that’s not what you’re trying to do
@@RamonaPD I completely have no idea how saying he uses Julia somehow downplays his accomplishment when you yourself can't explain it - "...trying to downplay the fact for * some reason *..." - that is what you said, yes? Which is a strange takeaway.
Him using Julia * is * a fact, * it happened *, there are videos of that here on RUclips. Most pros have a secondary or third character in their pocket, a normal thing and not some admission of weakness either. That's just playing strategically. They are playing on a tournament, they do everything they can to maximize their chance. Nothing out of the ordinary there.
Can't comprehend how somehow saying he has another character, which he did, is minimizing his skill or achievement.
Right so neither of us are wrong you just keep making useless statements. he beat the BEST players on the BIGGEST TOURNAMENT. IN TEKKEN. WITH. PANDA. so i just don’t know why you’re still bringing that shit up. Yes you aren’t wrong, you are just wasting everyone’s time typing up this useless shit
I need Flats to see Lil_Majin's run
4:21 You won't be using most of those hundred moves. Some of them are so situational, puts you in so much negative frames, or would only work if your opponent just fell asleep mid-match. Also, a number of those are just a moves that chain to other moves and counted as a separate move. Setting pro matches aside, in a regular online match, you'd see the same set of core moves and setups for each character for most of the time, you'd eventually be familiar how to counter or to tell when it's your turn. Yoshimitsu main here since T3 by the way.
Fun bit of extra to this story: As said in the video at 19:52 Rangchu didn't tell his parents. Well, now he's a dad himself, and this year was able to win the World Tour finals again, once more with a bear character, Kuma. Should be noted Kuma is no where near the same trash tier Panda was in T7, but there still aren't that many people picking the character at the absolute top tier.
Oh and now the scene for the game is more global now, with some absolute killer players coming out over the last few years, particularly from Pakistan. So to win it again with Kuma, while fresh blood absolute killers are in the scene playing top tiers, is damn impressive still.
22:10 Capcom essentially did something like this for Street Fighter 6, dropping two million dollars for a big global tournament (grand prize being one million). It was 100% a marketing stunt, but it worked well enough that they're doing it again. Naturally there's real problems with it for the players (a ton of money goes to like 4 players, the rest get very little), but frankly that's to be expected in E-Sports: the companies have to turn a profit somehow as much as I'd love the incredibly dedicated players to be able to put their full attention into this, there just isn't enough prize money to make sure everyone gets paid and sponsors are naturally leery of putting big money on a genre as niche as fighting games.
Tekken/ fgc scene are dope, top players make insane and hype reads in 1/3 of seconds. Favorite moment obviously being daigo parry.
I hope Flats watches Max's Out-of-Pocket FGC Moments vid. Ha ha ha ha!
Just max dood in general, he’s such a good starting point fgc interest
What's sad is that, as mentioned, he did what was thought as impossible for a measly $7500 grand prize. Thankfully, he won this year's Tekken World Tour (the only 2-time TWT champion) with another bear character for $100k.
9:06 him being this high level at his character is comparable to Rocky on Wolverine most of the time, however tekken is a legacy series where if you know how to play against in the games before, you can do it in the latest version most of the time. So the players he had to beat being long time tekken players means they were way more experienced in the wacky matchup than the new players. Which just makes Rangchu even more impressive
"This feels like its out of an anime" welcome to fighting games.
iconic arcades with strong known players was pretty frequent and very very real esp up to like early 2010s or so
Btw about the arcade shutting down, I dont know what the exact story is for Green Arcade, but Covid hit the Arcade scene really hard, basically no Arcades survived it because they already werent doing well and were kinda coasting on their regulars to keep coming back, but when covid hit it forced most placed to close just cause people couldnt gather any more. I wouldn't be surprised if the same thing happened to Green, and the Arcades shutting down hit the FGC scene hard since the Community in Fighting Game Community is like....a really big deal.
Definitely should watch the story of Knee, another Tekken legend thats been active since the early 2000s
1:47 it is like reaching top 500 playing pistol only mercy
Best thing about Rangchu is that, despite staying pretty quiet for the rest of Tekken 7's lifetime, he recently came back and won a Tekken 8 major as a bear. Mans a legend
Flats reaction at watching footsies was great. Yeah, you get juggled to the moon and back so gotta dance and fish for punishes. Also u were right on the pokemon example, matchups are big and no one would practice matchups against panda.
Edit: the turtle neck energy bit is funny cuz i’d say knee is scarier.
I agree with the one comment. More Flats and FGC content would be dope
About those 100+ moves by character, it creates an amazing variety of ways to play only one character.
I play Tekken since Tekken 3 and I've placed in the higher ranks in my days on Tekken 7. Even if there are some kind of metas emerging over the years with the multiple patchs. This variety of moves always feels refreshing. It means you can main the same character as your opponent while having a totally playstyle than him. As a king main, I have a really agressive playstyle based on constant oppression, so I favor using my launchers and trow combinaison a lot. But a guy who plays King more defensivly will manage the distance to favor punishing attacks. The best part of that game is that both playstyles are relevant for the same character.
But on the other hand, Tekken bein a legacy game means it's really difficult for beginners to play competitive.
Gotta have flats react to "the brilliant fighting game community"
Let's get Flats to pick up Tekken so we can see Flats vs. LTG in Tekken 8
Holy watching this is insane to me. As a sweaty ass Tekken player that has watched that documentary several times. Now having it being watched by Flats whom I have been learning so much since I've been getting sweaty on Rivals/OW. It feels full circle
That one chatter that said "This is like Hungrybox playing Jigglypuff in smash" either does NOT know anything about smash, or they forgot to specify which game.
Cause Hbox playing Puff in Melee is just playing a top tier, but if it's Puff in Sm4sh, then they're right. lmao
Also, that one person who asked if it's like Steve in Ultimate 100% doesn't know anything about smash. lol
I'd say the lack of top ranked puffs is a little valid, like how some people flew out Prince Abu just for warm ups lol
Theres a video about green arcade and it closing. There was also a lot of stuff that was inside green arcade like pros trophies that they had to fight to get back.
The game I think Flats is talking about is Guilty Gear (GG). Specifically the GG:Strive community. I haven't heard the most vitriol and toxic shit going on in the FGC since Smash Bros. Melee. If you know, you know.
Yooo tekken is cool ! You should check out another video from those guys, where the same player won the first tekken world tour of the new game (tekken 8)
Well Rangchu won the last Tekken World Tour as well (8th December) while using Kuma and this time he won 100.000$
I remember when it came out that Rangchu won with Panda and I was both happy and extremely confused given how outlandish the Panda pick was. Still happy to see some variety in top Tekken placements though!!
if flats gets into T8 or any fgc that would be cool af
Flats should try a FG you won’t hate the game like OW players do
Rangchu won this years Tekken World Tour and got 100k.
slowy but surely Bandai is increasing the prize money/pool
This was nice to see flats just stuck in to just clip's of matches i want to see him watch evo just once
2:02 I disagree. its more like playing D.va in ow1
I play fgs (Tekken is my main) and have only recently gotten into hero shooters. Bro, I feel like every selfish dps-ers should get into fgs because it'll humble you REAL quick. Not only do you have no one to blame but yourself, the mental stack can get pretty crazy since you have no one to really focus on but your own performance (or anything else gameplay wise to distract you). It builds really good habits too. Granted there's always going to be insanely selfish and tunnel visioned players who will blame everything else but themselves... but in fgs that's more mitigated because there's nowhere to really hide excuses. Hell, like it's touched upon here... the community has to go through this cycle every time there's a new entry because ppl just like to complain for the most part because people hate change and having to adapt is harder than just complaining about it 24/7 (and we live on the internet now so EVERYBODY'S chirping). But if you buckle down and just focus on your own performance in an fg, it's one of the most eye opening experiences ever. Took me a very long time to rack up the courage to get into it, but once I did, it's extremely fun (and educational)!
Naaaaaaahhh... DPS scrubs would just blame their controller, or the sun was in their eyes, or the lag, or their opponent for picked a cheap character or does cheap moves, or their monitor not at the right distance, or their tummy hort. Etc. 😂
Nahh they’d blame the enemy for spamming broken moves and being stupid mashers playing cheesy moves or OP moves while they are the Fundamentals Player 😂
Never thought I’d see Flats stumble unto FGC related shit this really has been a wild year but welcome to the party fam 🙏🏽
This reminds me of when Pachirisu was in the winning VGC Pokemon championship
0:42 It's gotta be Guilty Gear, right? It HAS to be. Ever since the devs made Bridget canonically trans, every "fighting game fan" came crawling out of the woodwork to make the community as unfriendly and unsafe to LGBT players as possible.
Also Flats if by any chance you get to read this, the Green Arcade was closed by the Pandemic. And Rangchu actually won Tekken World Tour again this year
To be fair Flats, Tekken characters might have a ton of moves to learn, but you only end up using maybe a third of them. That's how optimized Tekken has become over the years, and it has been that way since Tekken 5, which came out onto consoles in 2004, but most likely had an arcade release years prior so it's been that way since maybe the late 90s. Also, Green Arcade has since closed it's doors. Which, sadly, makes a lot of sense. Arcades are unfortunately very much a thing of the past.
Edit: Also, if you react to more FGC content, I highly suggest watching CoreAGaming and some of his videos. They're very informative while also being simple and easy to understand.
Rangchu also just won the same tournament this year with kuma. The male counterpart to panda.
We got a panda player at the locals I go to and he typically kicks everyone's shit in every tournament. I've seen him lose a tournament ONCE and it was a HARD fought loss
On the same channel. The lil making video is great. What a great Tekken moment
Tekken 8 is a fantastic game. People just dislike it because theres it just ends up being 50/50's a lot. Its very offensive, defensive play seems highly useless because of how overpowered the HEAT mechanic is. The Tekken 8 hate is overblown as hell IMO.
12:35 stun lock? That was just a wall wall splat wall combo..he wasnt jailed or negative or anything, he was just getting combo'd
8:46 yupp, AMSA in smash is a perfect example
That chatter that made a Puff comparison has no clue what they're talking about. Puff is not played in Melee because her optimal playstyle is antithetical to what most people like about Melee. Panda is not played in Tekken because she's a bottom tier terrible character.
Seeing people watch stories about the FGC is awesome!
another good teken one is Lil Majin's EVO run also by Score ESports
you gotta react to the Arslan Ash and Pakistans anime ahh rise in tekken
Flats finding out about footsies and bracket reset.
I really hope to see some IFC Yipes content here
it would be a straight crime if he doesnt react to the lil majin one
As a tekken and marvel enjoyer, this was content i needed
AND HE DID IT AGAIN THIS YEAR AND BECAME THE VERY FIRST TEKKEN 8 WORLD TOUR CHAMP WITH KUMA, RANGCHU IS MY GOAT RRRRAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH THE 2-TIME BEAR CHAMP RRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH
Flats I literally did that yesterday climbing ranked with Penny Parker and was like I like Magneto here I got rolled
Holy shit Flats should definitely do a Sajam Slam. He's perfect for it.
"didn't Eskay just get masters? thats impressive"
Me a Tekken player looking at the rankings, Master rank in tekken is equivalent to bronze 4 in OW
rankings are different titles and the top rankings are Raijin - Tekken God, beyond that is where you reach like top .1% like tekken god prime and in Tekken 8 god of destruction
Hey flats when it comes to the resetting the bracket, final losers has to beat final winners twice, think of it like this. In fighting game tournaments, a player has to lose twice to be out. To get into losers bracket, is to have lost 1 match, so a second loss means youre out. The winner at the end of the road means they havnt lost a single match. So the top loser has to beat him twice, one to reset, one to get him out
Another way to think about it is that everyone has 2 lives, and the top winner hasnt lost a life by the end
Flats, you GOTTA join the Sajam Slam. Cmon just give it a try!
Rangchu won the T8 world tour this year too
Playing panda isnt the equivalent of Hbox playing Jigglypuff, because Jigglypuff ended up being one of the strongest characters in melee lol.
Certainly would love more FGC content
Panda is like Bastion from OW before the rework 1:48
Shiiit if we watchin some ”Good Ass Tekken™” you gotta check out The Score- ESports covering Lil Majin.
And for FGC videos in general *Hayao* recently did some incredible shit at EVO on 3rd Strike.
That was tekken7 he just did it again in tekken8 with kuma..the fgc is rough dont play if you can handle saltiness..because we spend years getting to these levels and its a rush putting your rank on the line.
Fighting games require a lot of predictions, clips you see is not representative of character strenght. Strenght of character based on available options and how fast they are. Stun locking you see is regular combo, everyone can do that.
Panda in tekken have less moves and kinda slower than others, much more opportunities to get beaten. But this dude compensate it with reading his opponent and they tend to panic more because don't know what panda can do, panic in fighting force you to do something stupid.
18:38 that's not her head. LOL
Definitely check out lil Majin's 2018 evo run made by the same guy
TEKKEN MENTION ❤❤❤❤❤
Flats needs to go to the Sajam Slam.
Tekken is a game of knowledge checks. Nobody plays panda so no one knows how to play against her. But even with all, Rangchu still has to play “Tekken” he’s got great defense and movement
Hope flats watches the Qudans video as well that video made me cry
Your not gonna believe what he did last twt finals
you should react to "Play wrong, win worlds: The midlaner who defied expectations" by thescore
0:40 Tekken, Street Fighter, Soul Calibur
There is so much good FGC content out there. He could watch any of it and if he down
Somebody in his chat compared Panda to Steve in ultimate, when Steve is the best character in the game, top 3 according to the community at large LMAO
Flats need to check out one of "Core A Gaming's" Videos HIGHLY Recommended.
FLATS MAKING FGC VIDEOS??
Flats will probably enjoy Jjeondding
get Flats into sajam slam right fucking now
0:40, Brother you need to be more specific, because in this day and age, that’s every video game
Hey Tekken fan here few things I thought I could clear up
Resets are a grand final Tekken norm most if not all tournaments do this
Panda is THE WORST in Tekken 7 not as bad as launch lifeweaver everyone is “usable” though at the highest level a character based on unknown stuff in an area where everyone knows everything the damn bear is useless he just played neutral better
That movement is called a Korean back dash where you cancel the back dash with a crouch at breakneck speed mainly used on a Korean lever the funky paddle board their using
Tekken is THAT HARD this series has been out a for 30 years and legacy skills definitely translate think of aim basically the same thing
And evo has around 3k players in Tekken in the year he won ( I think ) so he had to beat around probably 100 people including the best of the best doing top 48 is a good performance with top tier let alone panda
Tekken world tour is evo but just better players
Tekken is full of stories I hope flats brings them to the light because they’re actually movie worthy
Ik this was long but if you want a competitive experience pick up Tekken you won’t regret it it takes minimum 100 hours to get to grips with and you will learn everyone you play no matter how much time
Thanks for reading
He won again this year with kuma so