The squirrel nymph,what a great fly.I learned how to do dubbing loops the way you showed,with your fingers.Then I went to the bull dog paper clip,made the job eaiser.Then I used the clear plastic clips,makes the job really simple.If you use the magic tool you can put three materials into the loop at once.Dubbing loops are great.At times I will dub one side of the loop,then insert the material,spin it up,this looks great.There is a lot to learn about dubbing loops. Have a great day Matt. Ken
Thanks Ken, that sounds like a great tip. I do have a Stonfo plastic clip but I like the idea of going ahead and putting some dubbing on the thread, and then creating a look and adding more. That could be a nice look too.
@@SavageFlies Good evening Matt.I read some of you're commits.People talked about split thread.Dubbing loops and split thread is two different things.Dubbing loops are great,you can come up with nice efects with a loop that you can't do with split thread.Two different worlds.Great video Matt,you have a great evning. Ken and Linda
I would advise everyone to watch a video of Davy Wotton demonstating his split thread technique.Alot less bulk than a dubbing loop.Still a good pick,Matt.
Oh yeah! I do have a plastic clip but usually forget to use it. I might have to invest in one of the CDC multiclamp tools. I hear that thing works great.
Awesome bug Matt. Love Hughes' work. He was editor of Flyfishing & Tying Journal and still has articles in it. I have his Handbook of Hatches, I'd rank that book with Gierach's Good Flies. I dub the body like you explained when using fur off a pelt or patch. I blend it (stack?) in my fingers, apply it to waxed thread, then make a loop with a crochet hook. Tie off, advance thread, spin the hook, then wrap the body with the hook, fingers, or hackle pliers while preening it back. If using packaged blended dubbing like you used, I dub on the waxed thread, I may or may not spin it in a loop. When I make a hair collar I do it just like did. I have some bulldog clips and chip clips, I guess it's easier but I don't bother with them. Great job Matt, thanks!
Appreciate it Joe. I did not know Hughes was the editor of FF & Tying Journal. Cool to know. And yes, his Handbook of Hatches is a master work. I haven't read Gierach's Good Flies but I've always thought the bible of hatches was Art Flick's "Streamside Guide." I still read that occasionally. Now... a crochet hook is genius. I think that might be easier to use than my standard brass dubbing spinner. Oh, one other thing. Duca is a unique name. Do you have a cousin Larry (actually Lawrence)? I asked one of my engineers down here (last name Duca) if he had any relatives in NY named Joe. He said his dad Larry has a cousin Joe. (Kyle had never met this cousin Joe, but said his dad had some fishing pictures from him.)
@@SavageFlies Good morning Matt. Yeah Hughes was a PAST editor of FF&T Journal. Gierach's Good Flies is just what the title says, a bunch of good flies that worked for him over the years, materials he uses, how he ties them, fishes them, recipes, and his journey in fly tying and influences. No photos, just pen and ink illustrations - wish I knew who did them, looks like Whitlock's work. Excellent, easy read. I just spent an hour reading it while I wrote this, hard to put down. The first edition was published in 2000, I have the 2014 edition signed by the author :o) You should get it, maybe review it. As far as the Duca name, not too many blood relatives here, just five living males to carry on the name. I imagine there's more Ducas around, saw a couple in the phone book years ago that weren't related. There was a Jimmy Duca that competed in the winter Olympics about 60 years ago that surprised us when we heard the name. All I know is it's one of the nicer four letter words that means the leader ;o) Tell Kyle I said hi and if he's a handsome Italian/American we just may be related :o) all the better if he likes to fish like that other "cousin Joe". Thanks Matt!
@@joeduca8582 Oh yeah, Geirach is very easy to read. His style is like you're just having a conversation with him. Which I guess is the mark of a great writer. I've read Trout Bum and his most recent few, but will have to check out his Good Flies. You're going to like today's fly. I should have made up the history and said the Purple Joe Duca was named after you. 😃
I think the pine 🐿️ fly is one of those flyes that catches all fish 🐠 I've got them in all my boxes. You can use a magic tool kit for the dubbing loop or a binder clip.I have good luck with it and trim it while in the clip. You're a great tyer and you did a good job on the pine squirrel 🐿️ . 🎣🤠 Dave Hughes,. Thanks.
I’ve had a lot of success with adding two wraps of thread around just the base of dubbing loops. This will take it from a u to a v, if that makes sense. Pull out the loop, two wraps around the shank, as you did, then a wrap or two with the tying thread around just the base of the loop. It helps keep the stuff in the loop tighter, but still maneuverable, before you spin it. Thanks for a fun pattern!
That makes perfect sense! And I always kick myself for forgetting to do that. Thanks for the reminder. I'll try to do that the next video I make using a dubbing loop. I'm sure a few new tiers will be learning that for the first time. I guess it's one of those things I have to learn several times myself. :-)
Thanks Layton! Always appreciate it my friend. And hey, I don't think you've ever won any of our drawings around here. I've got a couple extra mugs boxed up and ready to ship. If you want one, email me your address. matt@savageflies.com. :-)
Great pattern! Thanks for sharing, Matt. If you grab the fibers of the zonker strip with a Petijean material clip and then cut it off the hide works well for me. (Chip bag clips also work.) Have a great day!
Is this the Hareline SwissCDC thing? I think I know what you're talking about. Kind of pricey if I'm thinking of the same thing, but I might have to give it a try!
Hi from Kansas City 🎣🤠. I use a binder clips to make a dubbing loop or get a petitijon clip kit, about 40 bucks and I really like it. Use it for many things,like having a extra hand.
It does remind me a little of that fly Daniel. I did tie a Picket Pin for the channel a few months ago but I was never too familiar with the pattern. But apparently it's been really successful. :-)
Hey sir I found that if you use those mini bag clips their 2 1/2” wide.. just squeeze the clip slide in dubbing works perfect.. you can cut dubbing off straight leaving a ridge to slide between threads and open clip hold fur perfect.. hope it helps
Amazing Matt !! My daughter and I love watching you tying you've helped us a lot !! We've tried to do the dubbing loop and it always ends up not working at all !! What wax do you use and dubbing spinner and hackle pliers ?
Justin- that's awesome! You're a lucky man to have a daughter who wants to tie with you. :-) My dubbing wax is in a tube by Hareline. The dubbing spinner is the long-handled one by Dr. Slick. And the hackle pliers are the spring-loaded ones by Stonfo.
Good looking fly Matt. I haven't tried that specific pattern but I do quite a bit with all-fur flies and dubbing loops. I do the loops pretty much like you do except my loop tool holds the two legs separated (just slightly until I spin it) so my fingers don't have to. The tool is called the Dubbit and it's a little awkward and not ideal, but probably no worse than most other tools. They still make it and it's common but I bought mine decades ago when I saw it demonstrated by the inventor who was an absolute amazing wizard with it. So maybe it's snake oil unless you're the guy who cam up with it! Some day I'll get around to making a dubbing brush board and perhaps trying one of those material clamps but mostly I like to keep things simple.
I looked for this tool Daryl (wasn't familiar with what they called it). I think I've had something similar before, with the wire kind of in the shape of an M, and you put the thread loop in the middle U. I never figured out how to use it very well. Now I can't even find it! Have you ever seen the other type, called a dubbing twister? This thing: amzn.to/3aKu2CQ I have one of these too, but haven't spent the time to quite figure it out either...
@@SavageFlies Matt, yes I've seen those but the only dedicated loop tool I have is the Dubbit. I don't think I would like the one that holds the two threads wide apart, even if the spring wire collapses to help close the loop. I just know that I don't care for thread-splitting and the primary advantage of a loop tool (over using hackle pliers or a simple hook) for me, is having sufficient weight to allow for twirling to twist the thread. And the secondary advantage would be holding the loop open a small amount until you twist it closed. I've even seen a tool with interchangeable heads - and one of the options mimics the "M" shaped wire of the Dubbit.
@@allenaviation5746 I think I saw the tool you're talking about (with the interchangeable heads). In fact, I just ordered it to give it a try. Of course it may end up being another tool that ends up in a drawer rarely getting used, but maybe I'll finally figure out how to make it work for me. :-)
This fur dubbing loop would be easier if your dubbing spinning tool would hold the loop open until you get the fur in. I use plastic clips to hold the fur before I cut it loose from the hide
Good evening Matt. Was on the road this morning early so missed the morning ☕️ and video. Enjoyed the video. So when you sit down to tie a bunch, do you tie all one size or do you tie a number of each size? Thanks Matt.
If it’s a pattern that I fish in different sizes (EHC, parachute Adams, generic AP nymphs), I’ll try to tie a half dozen in each size. Maybe a dozen in the main size. If it’s a streamer, meh, probably not. Just a couple of size 6s and move on. 😀
Fuzzy nymph? You call that a fuzzy nymph? Take a look at this fuzzy nymph by Hughes from Matt’s channel. Now that’s a fuzzy nymph! Great pattern that looks very, very fishy. For newer tyers, you can substitute a few wraps of an aftershaft plume for the hair collar & have real trouble with dubbing loops or the split thread method. It’s worth it to take the time to practice & use the dubbing loop, but if you’re in a hurry to have some of these flies to fish right away …
Ahhh Bob, you make me laugh! But using the aftershaft feather... that's a great idea! I throw so many of those things away, I really need to just start putting them in a Ziploc bag for these type flies. But wait, it can't be a Dave Hughes all fur wet fly if we use a feather! I wonder if anybody ever sold dyed pheasant hen skins. I'm thinking not, but black aftershaft feathers could be used in a lot of the fuzzy nymph patterns.
@@SavageFlies Agreed you need all fur to tie a fly that truly matches the original. I keep a set of small, recycled & labeled pill or small vitamin bottles for different colored aftershaft feathers when I find them on a variety of partridge, pheasant or even chicken skins. I got the black ones from a skin being used for hackle for black Woolly Buggers.
The squirrel nymph,what a great fly.I learned how to do dubbing loops the way you showed,with your fingers.Then I went to the bull dog paper clip,made the job eaiser.Then I used the clear plastic clips,makes the job really simple.If you use the magic tool you can put three materials into the loop at once.Dubbing loops are great.At times I will dub one side of the loop,then insert the material,spin it up,this looks great.There is a lot to learn about dubbing loops. Have a great day Matt. Ken
Thanks Ken, that sounds like a great tip. I do have a Stonfo plastic clip but I like the idea of going ahead and putting some dubbing on the thread, and then creating a look and adding more. That could be a nice look too.
@@SavageFlies Good evening Matt.I read some of you're commits.People talked about split thread.Dubbing loops and split thread is two different things.Dubbing loops are great,you can come up with nice efects with a loop that you can't do with split thread.Two different worlds.Great video Matt,you have a great evning. Ken and Linda
Big fan of buggy looking flies. Thank you for whipping it up.
Appreciate it Ralph; thanks for watching my friend!
I would advise everyone to watch a video of Davy Wotton demonstating his split thread technique.Alot less bulk than a dubbing loop.Still a good pick,Matt.
Thanks for the start of another great day
I like the buggy look. Sure to catch fish. Thanks Matt. Continued blessings
Appreciate it Mark; thanks for watching my friend!
I love the pine squirrel fur, thanks Matt
I appreciate my fancy clip a little more after watching you work this dubbing loop. Dig this fly, thanks.
Oh yeah! I do have a plastic clip but usually forget to use it. I might have to invest in one of the CDC multiclamp tools. I hear that thing works great.
Nice Tie Matt . I like the “ Buggy “ look you ended up with.
Appreciate it Chip; thanks for watching my friend! And for some of these patterns, you can't make them too buggy. :-)
Been watching a squirrel get into my bird feeder... I think he might catch fish! Have a great day Matt and thanks for the video.
Ha! I've given up on keeping squirrels out of my bird feeders and just decided to put out squirrel feeders. :-)
Awesome bug Matt. Love Hughes' work. He was editor of Flyfishing & Tying Journal and still has articles in it. I have his Handbook of Hatches, I'd rank that book with Gierach's Good Flies. I dub the body like you explained when using fur off a pelt or patch. I blend it (stack?) in my fingers, apply it to waxed thread, then make a loop with a crochet hook. Tie off, advance thread, spin the hook, then wrap the body with the hook, fingers, or hackle pliers while preening it back. If using packaged blended dubbing like you used, I dub on the waxed thread, I may or may not spin it in a loop. When I make a hair collar I do it just like did. I have some bulldog clips and chip clips, I guess it's easier but I don't bother with them. Great job Matt, thanks!
Appreciate it Joe. I did not know Hughes was the editor of FF & Tying Journal. Cool to know. And yes, his Handbook of Hatches is a master work. I haven't read Gierach's Good Flies but I've always thought the bible of hatches was Art Flick's "Streamside Guide." I still read that occasionally. Now... a crochet hook is genius. I think that might be easier to use than my standard brass dubbing spinner. Oh, one other thing. Duca is a unique name. Do you have a cousin Larry (actually Lawrence)? I asked one of my engineers down here (last name Duca) if he had any relatives in NY named Joe. He said his dad Larry has a cousin Joe. (Kyle had never met this cousin Joe, but said his dad had some fishing pictures from him.)
@@SavageFlies Good morning Matt. Yeah Hughes was a PAST editor of FF&T Journal. Gierach's Good Flies is just what the title says, a bunch of good flies that worked for him over the years, materials he uses, how he ties them, fishes them, recipes, and his journey in fly tying and influences. No photos, just pen and ink illustrations - wish I knew who did them, looks like Whitlock's work. Excellent, easy read. I just spent an hour reading it while I wrote this, hard to put down. The first edition was published in 2000, I have the 2014 edition signed by the author :o) You should get it, maybe review it.
As far as the Duca name, not too many blood relatives here, just five living males to carry on the name. I imagine there's more Ducas around, saw a couple in the phone book years ago that weren't related. There was a Jimmy Duca that competed in the winter Olympics about 60 years ago that surprised us when we heard the name. All I know is it's one of the nicer four letter words that means the leader ;o) Tell Kyle I said hi and if he's a handsome Italian/American we just may be related :o) all the better if he likes to fish like that other "cousin Joe". Thanks Matt!
@@joeduca8582 Oh yeah, Geirach is very easy to read. His style is like you're just having a conversation with him. Which I guess is the mark of a great writer. I've read Trout Bum and his most recent few, but will have to check out his Good Flies. You're going to like today's fly. I should have made up the history and said the Purple Joe Duca was named after you. 😃
@@SavageFlies Ha! ha! ha! Now I'm turning purple! Awesome, thanks!
I think the pine 🐿️ fly is one of those flyes that catches all fish 🐠 I've got them in all my boxes. You can use a magic tool kit for the dubbing loop or a binder clip.I have good luck with it and trim it while in the clip. You're a great tyer and you did a good job on the pine squirrel 🐿️ . 🎣🤠 Dave Hughes,. Thanks.
The Marc petitijon and your's 🎣 magic clip kit is about 40 bucks. Before Marc's kit I used a piece of soft foam with a razor slit in it.
Thanks Dave- lots of folks have recommended the Petitjean tool so I just might have to check it out. Thanks for the note!
I have a pup that is bound to catch one of our squirrels. If it ever happens…. Thanks for sharing Matt!
Ha! Don't be afraid to stop for a roadkill squirrel, especially with winter coming up! :-)
I’ve had a lot of success with adding two wraps of thread around just the base of dubbing loops. This will take it from a u to a v, if that makes sense. Pull out the loop, two wraps around the shank, as you did, then a wrap or two with the tying thread around just the base of the loop. It helps keep the stuff in the loop tighter, but still maneuverable, before you spin it. Thanks for a fun pattern!
That makes perfect sense! And I always kick myself for forgetting to do that. Thanks for the reminder. I'll try to do that the next video I make using a dubbing loop. I'm sure a few new tiers will be learning that for the first time. I guess it's one of those things I have to learn several times myself. :-)
Good morning Matt☕️☕️
And good evening to you Jim!
Excellent choice Matt, I have fished these nymphs for years and they definitely catch fish. As always thanks for sharing
Thanks Layton! Always appreciate it my friend. And hey, I don't think you've ever won any of our drawings around here. I've got a couple extra mugs boxed up and ready to ship. If you want one, email me your address. matt@savageflies.com. :-)
Can’t wait to tie some of these up. I love the look of this fly!
Great pattern! Thanks for sharing, Matt. If you grab the fibers of the zonker strip with a Petijean material clip and then cut it off the hide works well for me. (Chip bag clips also work.) Have a great day!
And now that I read all the comments, Ken beat me to it. 😆
Yep, great tips from you both! I just haven't picked up one of the Pettijean tools yet as I think they're pretty pricey!
Good morning sir Matt. Just pick this book up. Great tie will definitely give it a try. Have a great day.
Outstanding choice Karl! Good luck with it my friend. :-)
Great job, Matt.
A while back I started using a Swiss CDC Multiclip for these types of patterns. It ended years of "all thumbs" frustration!
Is this the Hareline SwissCDC thing? I think I know what you're talking about. Kind of pricey if I'm thinking of the same thing, but I might have to give it a try!
Another lesson we'll done! Thanks for sharing your time and talent! KANSAS
Appreciate it Jack; thanks for watching my friend!
Matt I just love this fly. Easy to tie and the fish love it. Thanks'
Appreciate it Randy! And yeah, I think you might be right. :-)
Another good one Matt. Looks easy enough to tie. Keep the good stuff coming.
I use a material clip to hold the zonkers. The one I use currently is a stonfo clip. And I agree with the split thread technique. Love the fly👍👍👍
You know Thomas, I have a set of those plastic Stonfo clips. Why the heck do I always forget to use them?
@@SavageFlies lol hind site is 20/20
Love the all fur patterns.great tie Matt! Thank friend.tight lines.
You bet! Thanks for watching Mike.
You thought correctly. Thanks Matt!
Good looking fly Matt
Thanks for the video
Appreciate it Dave!
Awsome fly pattern..i like the buggy looks..thanks for sharing.
Appreciate it Josh; thanks for watching my friend!
A nice looking fly. Definitely will work.
Appreciate it my friend! Thanks for watching. :-)
Heck yeah thats a sweet looking nymph.. gonna add a few of these to my box
Fuzzy and fishy... you know this thing will catch them. :-)
@@SavageFlies yes indeed
I use Loon D-Loop Tweezers to grab the fur and insert it into the Dubbing loop. They work well.
Very nice, buggy looking fly. Most certainly should do the job. Yes it’s quite slippery. Wax is a good idea. 🙂 Thx Matt.
Appreciate it Clyde; thanks for watching my friend! And you're right that this thing would be really hard to tie without using the wax.
“A big buggy mess”. Love it!
Yes indeed Ed; I tie a lot of those! Thanks for watching my friend. :-)
Thats a great looking fly
Hi from Kansas City 🎣🤠. I use a binder clips to make a dubbing loop or get a petitijon clip kit, about 40 bucks and I really like it. Use it for many things,like having a extra hand.
That's what I hear Dave. I haven't broken down and bought one yet, but I just might have to. Thanks for the note!
nice fly Matt
Another Excellent fur Nymph is Polly Rosboroughs, “Casual Dress.”
Oh yes, that one is very famous! I've tied that one a couple times but mine usually don't come out looking like Polly's looked. :-)
@@SavageFlies Did you know he used a hacksaw blade two rough up the dubbing?
@@dahutful No I never heard that. Interesting!
That's a nice looking fly Matt I bet it fishes well. I have not yet tried my hand at a dubbing loop but i'm getting there.
Go for it Peter! I'm not very good at it either but that never stops me. :-)
Excellent and can be done with many types offer and dubbing. :-)
Love this pattern, thank you for sharing.
You’re welcome 😊 Thanks for watching!
Nice fly. Nice tie Matt. I'll give it a try sans pine squirrel, I have squirrels but not pine.
I think this thing would work made out of any squirrels Frank. :-)
Nice fly. Thanks
very cool matt thanks
Good Morning Sir Matt, super cool but I need some supplies before I can ty this one. J Stockard here comes a order lol.
Haha. You and I are certainly helping to keep them in business Edward. :-)
@@SavageFlies yes Sir I love it. 😊
Looks good matt almost like a pickets pin
It does remind me a little of that fly Daniel. I did tie a Picket Pin for the channel a few months ago but I was never too familiar with the pattern. But apparently it's been really successful. :-)
Hey sir I found that if you use those mini bag clips their 2 1/2” wide.. just squeeze the clip slide in dubbing works perfect.. you can cut dubbing off straight leaving a ridge to slide between threads and open clip hold fur perfect.. hope it helps
That's a great tip Don. I know exactly what you're talking about. The next time I'm at Walmart I'm going to grab a bag of them!
Amazing Matt !! My daughter and I love watching you tying you've helped us a lot !! We've tried to do the dubbing loop and it always ends up not working at all !! What wax do you use and dubbing spinner and hackle pliers ?
Justin- that's awesome! You're a lucky man to have a daughter who wants to tie with you. :-) My dubbing wax is in a tube by Hareline. The dubbing spinner is the long-handled one by Dr. Slick. And the hackle pliers are the spring-loaded ones by Stonfo.
Good looking fly Matt. I haven't tried that specific pattern but I do quite a bit with all-fur flies and dubbing loops. I do the loops pretty much like you do except my loop tool holds the two legs separated (just slightly until I spin it) so my fingers don't have to. The tool is called the Dubbit and it's a little awkward and not ideal, but probably no worse than most other tools. They still make it and it's common but I bought mine decades ago when I saw it demonstrated by the inventor who was an absolute amazing wizard with it. So maybe it's snake oil unless you're the guy who cam up with it! Some day I'll get around to making a dubbing brush board and perhaps trying one of those material clamps but mostly I like to keep things simple.
I looked for this tool Daryl (wasn't familiar with what they called it). I think I've had something similar before, with the wire kind of in the shape of an M, and you put the thread loop in the middle U. I never figured out how to use it very well. Now I can't even find it! Have you ever seen the other type, called a dubbing twister? This thing: amzn.to/3aKu2CQ I have one of these too, but haven't spent the time to quite figure it out either...
@@SavageFlies Matt, yes I've seen those but the only dedicated loop tool I have is the Dubbit. I don't think I would like the one that holds the two threads wide apart, even if the spring wire collapses to help close the loop. I just know that I don't care for thread-splitting and the primary advantage of a loop tool (over using hackle pliers or a simple hook) for me, is having sufficient weight to allow for twirling to twist the thread. And the secondary advantage would be holding the loop open a small amount until you twist it closed. I've even seen a tool with interchangeable heads - and one of the options mimics the "M" shaped wire of the Dubbit.
@@allenaviation5746 I think I saw the tool you're talking about (with the interchangeable heads). In fact, I just ordered it to give it a try. Of course it may end up being another tool that ends up in a drawer rarely getting used, but maybe I'll finally figure out how to make it work for me. :-)
This fur dubbing loop would be easier if your dubbing spinning tool would hold the loop open until you get the fur in. I use plastic clips to hold the fur before I cut it loose from the hide
Great tip Tony! I do have a couple of those clips-- just always forget to use them. :-)
Good evening Matt. Was on the road this morning early so missed the morning ☕️ and video. Enjoyed the video. So when you sit down to tie a bunch, do you tie all one size or do you tie a number of each size?
Thanks Matt.
If it’s a pattern that I fish in different sizes (EHC, parachute Adams, generic AP nymphs), I’ll try to tie a half dozen in each size. Maybe a dozen in the main size. If it’s a streamer, meh, probably not. Just a couple of size 6s and move on. 😀
Instead of a full dubbing loop, I found a split thread loop (with wax) a little easier to catch the fur.
You know, I should have done that but I'm terrible at it! I even have one of those Stonfo hair splitter tools and it still gives me trouble. :-)
NICE!!
Good morning good morning good mornings
You're number 1 again Marty! You must always be online about 7am. :-) But I love it and always appreciate your comments my friend.
How about a CDC clip for the zonker strip
Yep, someone else mentioned using a clip. Why don't I ever think of these things until after I make the video?? Oh well... next time. :-)
I just use my hachle pliers to spin my dubbing loops
Fuzzy nymph? You call that a fuzzy nymph? Take a look at this fuzzy nymph by Hughes from Matt’s channel. Now that’s a fuzzy nymph! Great pattern that looks very, very fishy.
For newer tyers, you can substitute a few wraps of an aftershaft plume for the hair collar & have real trouble with dubbing loops or the split thread method. It’s worth it to take the time to practice & use the dubbing loop, but if you’re in a hurry to have some of these flies to fish right away …
Ahhh Bob, you make me laugh! But using the aftershaft feather... that's a great idea! I throw so many of those things away, I really need to just start putting them in a Ziploc bag for these type flies. But wait, it can't be a Dave Hughes all fur wet fly if we use a feather! I wonder if anybody ever sold dyed pheasant hen skins. I'm thinking not, but black aftershaft feathers could be used in a lot of the fuzzy nymph patterns.
@@SavageFlies Agreed you need all fur to tie a fly that truly matches the original.
I keep a set of small, recycled & labeled pill or small vitamin bottles for different colored aftershaft feathers when I find them on a variety of partridge, pheasant or even chicken skins. I got the black ones from a skin being used for hackle for black Woolly Buggers.