What did you think of the “Joker” movie? And do you think the media outrage is just simple “clickbait?” Or is there some other reason for it? Also, have you taken the time to CONTRAST the critic treatment of Joker, with that of “Batwoman”?
more so when you pay attention to his rant on that late night show. it just proves how much it's making fun of the left and railing against their rhetoric.
They don't like art. What they like is things that go with their agenda, sadly it's like "We will promote what we want to succeed, instead of what is objectively better" and it's not working on their favour, because they're not being subtle at all, you can just feel it, you can smell all their bullshit from miles away. It's sad that they believe that they have some kind of power or that someone actually cares about what they say. Nobody with a brain does.
@@everythingisawesome2903 well, it IS getting so bad they're actively shitting in their own streets.. so.. yeah.. thei are so full of shit it's leaking everywhere they go. hence why texas is slowly becoming california 2.0
It hit close to home for me cuz my grandma relies on medicine to stay sane because she’s had so much trauma from losing her first & second husband then she lost her ability to walk from a taxi accident.... Without her medicine, she’d create fake memories like a fake husband that she talks to just to feel happy again :/ I love my grandma, but it really hurts me that I’ll probably never be able to talk to her true self, without all her fake memories. However, she does seem to remember the most stuff when she’s surrounded by people who love her, like her children, so at the very least, I’m happy that she can still feel love and happiness. Geez I feel like I rambled... So yeah basically, be nice to people. Broken people don’t need to be more broken just cuz you didn’t pay attention to them.
Brandon Bartkowiak that’s right. It’s something that affects anyone, anywhere. That’s the most universal concept movies can express. There’s no need to highlight the identity or sexiality of the characters, while the most important thing is the personality.
@@jaggedcut8603 I respect your take on it and thank you for your service but I'm quite certain the take was pay close attention to how you treat others, especially those suffering mental illnesses, as constant, crippling struggle is enough to drive anyone disadvantaged to madness.
If this "traumtised society" is the reason, then why is there movies about slavery, why are there movies about WW2? those are all traumatising things that happened, but those are defenitly fine right?
sheet cuh Lol cuz the villains in those movies are people they say they’re still fighting (racists and nazis) but Joker is making them the villains and they “Can’t even” with it!
"I'M SORRY BUT NO." Well, boys, pack it in. We lost. It's over. Sauron got the ring. Terminator killed John Connor. Private Ryan didn't get saved. The world was covered in a glacier that caught on fire.
@Jade Runner politics is retarded. It only causes division. The Joker movie is about a guy with a severe mental illness who cracked under society's toxic pressure and gave in to madness. In his mind, he was finally free from society and exposed the people who were in it. That's why people disliked the movie.
this wasnt from the frozen 2 movie but a gangsta movie shown at the cinema at the same time as frozen 2 apparently between 2 women which escalated into a brawl with weapons between animals who lack self control.
@The Remix ehh I somewhat think it is Its days later and I still keep thinking about the film. I dont think it's perfect and it was very hard to watch. There is still something in it that hits me and appears special . Heinz probably should won the oscar if the world is remotely sane though.
First time I ever saw a famas in person was when I visited paris and walked around the Eiffel tower and city squares. shot one with the French army soon after but always thought it was interesting how that juxtaposed
When I went to a theater that we have been going to for years I quickly noticed they hired security. When we got to the door they had a sign up that said "no handbags, backpacks, face paint, masks, or imitation guns" One of the guys that worked at the door actually told my friend she couldnt bring her purse in.
@@IzThatit All your friend, or anyone else, has to do is go back and say the most dreaded words. Refund now. Ta da Problem solved. People paying so much to see a film, have control if they choose to exercise it. They choose to be weak and stay. Or put up with even the suggestion of any of it, for convenience or the instant gratification factor. Same for all events, or SERVICES. STOP GOING to or using things that don't offer a refund. Plane ticket, movie theatre, Any & all if it. Stop allowing it. If that were the first thing on the checklist, before the I need to/want to go..... all this dumb would go away. Businesses want to stay in business. So what you miss out on banter around the water cooler at work etc about a movie you can own for less than the price of admission. At least your self respect is intact. Dont fly their unfriendly skies, the trip will be more interesting and engaging. Etc etc etc.
@@augiehicks4588 I have seen nobody, except braindead twitter and the news, which they really wanted it to fail because it puts them in a bad light, say this movie is bad.
@@augiehicks4588 don’t kid yourself man. The last thing any leftist read was either a menu or the latest CNN post. Assuming they get past their dyslexia.
"I'm sorry, no. You don't get away with it that easy!" Don't get away with what, exactly? Making an origin movie about a comic book character? Literally nothing wrong has been done here.
It's a common tactic to make it seem like you did something wrong without a direct accusation. Usually injecting phrases like "So you admit that...", "you're getting away with...", "some would say that it promotes..."
The Batwoman trailer: “that suit (Batman’s suit) is perfection.” “It will be when it’s made for a woman.” I am Jack’s complete lack of surprise. It’s getting exhausting. Remember when everyone turned into a psychotic vigilante after Taxi Driver? Of course not.
I like how Batwoman is literally leeching off BatMAN’s achievements, yet getting upset that people think she’s him saying she won’t let a man take credit for her work
The left mind: _Birds Of Prey_ : This is a WOKE movie, its NOT FOR old white men, Hahaha SUX to B U _Joker_ : REEEE! BAN JOKER.. Its a Incel movie for people other than me.. BAN IT BAN IT
I drink steak in Australia it’s a ma 15 it’s not even that bad I’m fourteen and don’t watch many R movies (obviously) but I’ve seen Rambo so this was piss weak lol
I just saw it twice tonight, there was a family with their underage kid sounded hispanic so the nino was making loud noises when they didn't see Batman--hoho poor kid this wasn't that movie but the other kid next to me was enthralled although he was half asleep since it was long, gritty, dark and mature he didn't really get it but he also didn't freak out and the parents all had a good time heard them chuckle at some scenes.
I'm not pro censorship, but I think it shouldn't be so easy for parents to take their kids to R rated movies. Maybe parents should sign a waiver on the way in, idk. It just seems like it happens everytime an R rated action movie comes out.
@@jedidiahhenaku-budu4469 Me too(Pun intended.) But yea, I think enjoying both can say a lot about someone not being stuck on one ideology. Now, of course people can dislike one or both without politics involved as well. The point being, art should never suffer at the hands of the "Political Majority." IMO, the best filmmakers(Kubrick, Scorsese, Hitchcock to name a few) aren't overtly political. They may address past or current ideologies, but they do so without casting judgement. They aren't teaching lessons in morality. They respect the audience and allow them to come to their own conclusions.
The Joker movie has in my opinion brought up the issue of mental health, how abuse can take toll on a person and how we should be focusing on helping these individuals more than any other piece of entertainment in the recent years.
I haven’t seen the movie yet (small town) but the trailer alone gave me this impression, like it was calling some issues to light that certain “professors” would rather not consider, because you know - us men have too much privilege, and don’t have real issues. I used to want to be cryo-frozen until this nonsense was over, but I realized that each age would have its ideological slant, and I may as well learn right now to not give a shit. Opinions are like assholes - everyone has one. Hopefully during my lifetime I can contribute in some meaningful way, like raising a kid who is a critical thinker, strong in her own right, doesn’t need some whimsical validation and isn’t a victim - who knows how to get shit done because she god damn wants to. Good luck in the future my dear. I’ll give you all the tools I can to make you strong. You won’t need a label like feminist, or progressive, or conservative for that matter. You’ll just be my daughter (insert name) - the person who kicked ass. Good luck to you!
*_My own subjective interpretation of themes in Joker, that may actually be wrong:_* 1) Arthur isn't political, he's a simple, kindhearted man who just wants to survive and make people smile. 2) The Left/Big Government: He's receiving help through some kind of financial aid, but the meds aren't working that well. He's tried them all, taking a laundry list of meds, and still pleads for more - as if this will actually help him. Tough to say if it's even beneficial and what are the side effects. His "therapist" doesn't actually give a damn about him, it's just a paycheck, but it helps having someone to talk to... possibly? Although he's getting "help", it's impersonal and ineffective. He's alone and forgotten. 3) The Right/Small Government: Due to cut funding, he's off his meds and loses therapy; seems like an awful thing. He goes through some transformation, and although we know the rest of the movie - it's possible for someone in his situation to discover the root causes of their suffering and build a new life - without medication, without therapy. He found his Self. Starts building confidence. But Arthur isn't one of the many on antidepressants/anxianxiety - but seems schizophrenic (or something), and clearly needs the medication to stay grounded in reality. 4) The Left and Right both failed him. He's someone society forgot and willfully chooses to ignore. When he realizes what's going on, he embraces no politics; just chaos. He's an anarchist, a bit of a nihilist. He doesn't blame society for failing him, but doesn't mind watching society burn. He doesn't lash out against those who haven't harmed him personally and directly. 5) Although the movie takes place through the lenses of Arthur the entire time, I think after the movie's over, a good perspective is everyone else's POV. If you see a lonely person out in public, maybe say hello if they seem to enjoy conversation. Be nicer, kinder to people. You have no idea how much this could mean to someone who's utterly alone and afraid, struggling with mental illness and poverty. Arthur is the glass of milk we left in our bedroom for 4 days and willfully chose to ignore it, even after its stench reached our nostrils. It is our job to take care of the widows and orphans - the poor, the sick - and big government and the free market alone can't do that for us. That's our job, as humans, as Christians.
you wrote what i wanted to write. i couldnt get it out of my head onto the page properly i couldnt think how to explain it but you got it bang on the money.
*Also the same critics that have also complained about Godzilla King of the Monsters because the movie is filled with monster fights and only care about human character*
I'm a liberal that loves the Joker. The Joker is a movie with a huge emphasis on society, how it needs to be changed, how the higher class doesn't want it to change and how extremists take it too far trying to change it. It's a movie that criticizes both conservatism and radical liberalism.
I just spent 10 minutes trying to understand why my RUclips comment does not show up on the channel Andrew Schulz (popular politically incorrect stand up comedian). I posted the same reply about 50 times, it always disappeared after 20-30 seconds and I had to post it again. When I removed the words hxnk, hxnk [clown emoji], the comment appeared and has been there since. They (RUclips/Google) ACTUALLY shadowban your comments for hxnk hxnk meme and clown emoji. In a politically incorrect comedian's comment section, no less.
"May Santiago is an emerging film scholar and micro-budget filmmaker. Her work focuses on themes of intersectional identity within mental health, queer identity, and decolonization."
Imagine thinking we live in a “traumatized society” when we live in America that has no slavery, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, gender equality, capitalism, and people aren’t literally killed for their religion/sexuality/politics.
I don't like Joker because I hate Hollywood glorifying Heroin Addicts. The only reason they picked Joaquin Phoenix is because he's a life long Heroin Addict, and they were hoping to recreate Heath Ledger's Heroin Addict Joker. It's so obvious and transparent why they chose this guy. And they're also probably hoping he OD's and kills himself with all the money he's making. That'll turn the movie into a hit, because then they can play up the Heroin Addict, and Fatal Overdose similarities between Joaquin Phoenix and Heath Ledger. I just don't care about celebrity drug addicts and I don't think them killing themselves by overdosing makes them heroes.
@@onestopfunstop317 They wouldn't have picked Joaquin because of his record as an actor and the numerous awards he's won.....would they? Nah. No way that would happen. My father-in-law was an addict and it killed him. He was also a very talented bricklayer and ran his own construction business while his addiction started and escalated. His kids hate what happened to him yet they are still proud of the work he does and will point out the buildings that he built with pride of his accomplishments because he did accomplish those things as well. That doesn't mean they're glorifying his addiction. It means that their father was a complex individual as we all are. I'm not a Christian but there is an incident described where Jesus was asked who was worthy of the Kingdom of Heaven. His answer was "No one". That means we're all no better than our neighbour and we're equally unworthy. Judge the work, NOT the person. Did Phoenix do a good job in the film or not? That is what is at issue here, not the personal lives of those involved in the film. That's has always been the tactic of the dogmatic, the demands of the ultra religious.
@@jdspunkd obviously, im one of those few people who remember it from 2008 in cinema hall when 1st time Alfred speaks that line. I love Nolan's trilogy
I love how the leftists can't even find a Professor that sounds intelligent. *that was edited from my phone's autocorrect which thinks live is a better word than love.
That's because leftists never pick people based on competence or merit, but from the winning medalists from their intersectional Olympics. The wokest the better.
This is what 50,000 grand a year gets you at most universities today. A bachelors degree in how to be a liberal moron. Or get your master's and you can teach other kids how to be clueless morons.
Personally I felt the films message was more liberal than it was conservative. Not overtly so but it wasn't hard to make the connection between The Joker and the current Leftists whom are outraged about their perceived oppression.
@@mk-ultramags1107 it was very nuanced imo. The basic message is to be kind to one another. To try to bring people together instead of divide people. It was against the establishment and I'm all for it. You could link it to the blm riots or the capitol riot if you want to. I feel like it makes more sense from a conservative standpoint, but that is very debatable. It was a message for everyone, but people didn't hear it because we are more divided than ever.
My film professor loved the movie and is going to teach it in class when it becomes available digitally for our advanced critical film studies course lol. I'm a Progressive and I loved the movie, gonna go see it again. "I hope my death makes more cents than my life"
Batwoman's messages: "IM A WOMAAAAAN 🎶" Joker's messages: "Media makes cultural tension worse. Downtrodden people can become dangerously nihilistic, and so it goes..."
John Balnis we can lock him up right after we successfully secure our borders, deport or imprison every single illegal (including their “dreamer” children that are now adults), and quit blaming the guns for the actions of madmen. Until then, you don’t have a leg to stand on!
@John Balnis You're right! Trump is a "pathetic criminal." He just doesn't have it in him. Now HELLARY and Ovomit, THOSE are master criminals! Try harder next time, Libtard asshole!
It’s always ridiculous when a crazy overbearing parent says a Disney movie is bad because the villain of the movie says/does something bad. You’re 5 year old daughters aren’t looking for life advice from Ursula from the Little Mermaid.
Yeah, children rarely relate to vilains anyway. They knew that when they made propaganda during WW2, showing Hitler as a cartoon vilain.. and it worked.
@@samjames6890 Even if that were true, it's still a good quote. As someone who agrees with 19th century socialists on next to nothing, I can still find common ground with someone like Oscar Wilde that censorship is bad, and often says more about the censor than the censored.
@@sietsejohannes censorship is ultimately the prerogative of the bourgeoisie. It's rather sad that the Joker had been subsumed into the machinery of alt-right discourse, such as it has here. Crowder superficially taps into the truth that capital paints itself with a progressive veneer, ignoring the fact that it's only a veneer, and that it is indeed capitalism which exists behind it. Identity politics of this sort serve the establishment well, and distorts any appreciation for the mechanisms of domination and exploitation which exist in principal relation to capitalism. The left has nothing to do whatever with respect, kindness, and stale identity politics. The Joker is a critical film, therefore aptly described a left-wing or progressive in the proper, Wildean sense.
@@samjames6890 Eh no. Groups from all layers of society can use the power of the government as a tool for censorship, not just "the rich". Also, how is pointing out that Joker (or any other movie for that matter) does not cause mass shootings part of the alt-right discourse? That should be something sensible conservatives and sensible liberals/democratic socialists could agree on. As for the political message of Joker itself, I think it's pretty neutral. Neither the rich elites, nor the anarchist revolutionaries themselves are portrayed as 100% good or evil.
Well it's certainly a movie about rich people fucking over the poor, and the poor responding accordingly. The government, of course, operates in tandem with the rich. You cannot so easily separate politics and ecomics. The bureacratisation of social life coincided with modernity, I.e. industrialisation and managerial capitalism. The state itself functions as a means by which to consolidate and reproduce capitalist social relations. Anyone of sensible politics understands that a movie doesn't cause mass shootings. Any such person also understands that being on the left has nothing to do with governments, making the Joker a pretty left-wing film.
I think we meant that the media budget took it over 100 million dollars, typically the media buy is at least as much much as the budget for the movie itself
Delaney O could actually be a hundred million if you include price of promotion and other expenses after the production of film (usually adds between 50-75%on top of budget) [im conjecturing because WB is backing the film and being a cultural icon like joker it would be heavily promoted)
The Joker has me emotionally twisted up because I had a similar up bringing. No father, abusive mother, my mother convinced me that I was mentally ill because I was depressed about my dad and the abuse I was dealing with. All growing up I was bullied and ostracized. I built my confidence up, made a tile company, started a family and became happy. However things could’ve been different. It was shocking to see an actor portray the reality of a broken man in a broken system just trying to get through the day, only to face the same hell the next day. The movie opens up a serious dialogue about the mental health crisis in our nation.
The left are clowns and have the same agenda as Joker which is chaos, but they are more insane than Joker so they don't have the self awareness to even admit that it's their agenda.
Gryphon Tbh I actually wanted to be killed when I saw it.. as I was hoping a easy way out since I’m too much a coward to die.. and hoping someone would just shoot up the place and wouldn’t be all that bad cuz I won’t die alone as other people would die with me!! But sadly I didn’t die unfortunately... but it’s a really good movie.. I can relate to him so much
“A movie with hundreds of millions behind it” did she even look up the budget if the film? It’s 50 million, if we add marketing it barely reaches 100 million. Truly deserving of a doctorate.
These are the types of professors who fill up the country's "film schools." This is why no one knows anything when they walk out of the doors. You would like to think that out of any type of professor that one who teaches film would know how films work. But alas....
Technically marketing costs about 60 million for a movie like this. Possibly more. Many people always underestimate how much money goes to market a film.
Yeah man. One criticism I love is: "The movie is much more psychological than what we were led to believe." Like wtf do you mean? It's like you never watched the trailer.
@@jmmproductions6741 I didn't watch the trailer and even I was able to hear through the grape vine the feel of the movie before I decided to watch. I really dislike spoilers (and watching trailers ruin hype moments for me, and as such count as a spoiler in my book) but I can still find out small details to discern if I really want to watch a movie by other means. In the end I found the movie premise for Joker interesting so I decided to watch it, and I enjoyed it. The only people, that I know of, who didn't enjoy it were primarily people who went in with different expectations due to some level of ignorance as to what the movie was going to be.
Tbf people who consider this movie a masterpiece are probably clowns as much as those who consider it thrash so im not sure where youre coming from with that kind of statement XD
Carlos QC what do you mean? From a cinematic standpoint it was a masterpiece. From the directing, to casting, acting, how the scenes were shot, music, it was brilliant from top to bottom. That alone should keep it from most bad reviews. Outside of that, the actual story line was incredibly thought provoking, it had a deep message with plenty of nuances and likely should have hit you with many different emotions and feelings from laughter to sadness and everything in between. I don’t see what you mean here.
@@bakuwinthro8926 Yeah, some trailers spoil, but the Joker Trailer is a great trailer. It doesn't spoil anything about the movie, yet it still tells you what it's about, and what you should expect.
The regressive Right: "All Libtards are idiots." Most Conservatives: "Shut up! Stop adding fuel to the fire!" Some Libtards: "This film shouldn't have been made." Most Liberals: "Go fuck yourselves! We love the Joker movie." Objectivity is a good thing. ;)
I just saw it and no joke, when I watched Arthur walk through the protesters and start to join in and feel like part of something, I thought of Antifa straight away. A lot of Antifa/Left wing protesters happen to be outcasts or "losers". It's sort of scary how accurate it was
Jim McCracken he talks shit but how come he hasn’t bombed Iran over them shooting down are drone push comes to shove he isn’t as hard as he acts I have no problem with trump but just saying the idea that he wants to blow shit up is probably is true
@@mollykate.99 thought Get Out and Us were okay films, loved the 3 John Wick films, still not sure what The Hunt actually is, and i want to see the Joker, am i also a dem?
He opened fire on the theater showing Dark Knight Rises, no Joker wasn't in that one and he never ever said I'm the joker. He picked the theater because it was busy and full. He said as much in his journal
Joker was one of the best movies I’ve seen in years. It deals with dark realities that should be portrayed. Not hidden because it might cause discomfort. That’s the point.
Snails40 Comunist propaganda? Hello what are you smoking? He wanted to become a comedian Not Soviet commissar. He was admiring Murray not Lenin or Stalin. You’re just like the people who were saying the Joker was racist. Now Joker is communist.
Snails40 lots of movies touch on bullying but I think they’re often very cheesy and surface leveled. Often taking place in schools and with less depth. I thought the movie showed a different version of it. It happens directly to Arthur but it also kind of shows this narc attitude people walk around with in the movie and in real life just in general, where people are called pitiful and weak for trying to seek empathy when they are hurt. the way Arthur did in the end of the movie with the host on tv. I thought it showed how we all treat people who hurt like trash, and how we do walk over people and what happens to people who grow up with those experiences and are never allowed to assess the damage done. Especially when you mix it all with mental illness. I thought it was different in this way.
Although I haven’t seen it, wasn’t Django Unchained a movie about a guy going on a killing spree that was specifically racially motivated? Why didn’t the media flip out about that movie inspiring violence?
The point is you feel sorry and empathise with the homeland terrorism, that’s why it’s different. I don’t at all agree with the far left trying to censor this, but your comparison is incorrect.
MiniBoogerx what do want? This is what feminists have been preaching for years. She is a victim and you’re insensitive! Ok really, it’s just another movie and the media is just fear mongering
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What did you think of the “Joker” movie? And do you think the media outrage is just simple “clickbait?” Or is there some other reason for it? Also, have you taken the time to CONTRAST the critic treatment of Joker, with that of “Batwoman”?
John Balnis don’t talk about yourself like that
It was good 'cause it suggests the proletariat should rise against the bourgeoisie, which they should
John Balnis it must hurt to be stupid lmao “someone doesn’t share the same political views as me so I’m gonna throw a tantrum”
Could it be that the Liberals are Cunts and don't have a clue as to why Those Cunts Hate Joker but Love Batwoman?
When you see an issue memes in r/dankmemes and later Crowder talks about the actual issue.
Shit, this must be some serious shit
Batwoman: I'm not gonna let a man take credit for a woman's work
Also Batwoman: *breaks into bat cave and takes advantage of Batman's work*
She also co-oped his brand. She couldn't at least pick her own traumatizing animal for her image?
Batman started coronavirus
@@raptor3565 No a man did
Lyric 737 it’s a joke
@@raptor3565 ok sorry can't tell cause of social distancing
It’s depressing that we live in a society that prefers filters not mirrors.
Kaden Beaton bruuuuuuh😂😂😂😂
Bruhhh that's too deep
Shhhjiiiiiit😂👏👏
It's like they want to kill comedy itself. 😆🚫
Not comedians, mind you.
We do indeed live in a society...
The media hates Joker because it's a reflection of themselves.
Dale Ford that’s exactly what I keep saying. He even dyes his hair to join the rainbow hair colored crowd.
more so when you pay attention to his rant on that late night show. it just proves how much it's making fun of the left and railing against their rhetoric.
It doesn't help that all of the masked clown mob is, quite literally, Antifa.
They don't like art. What they like is things that go with their agenda, sadly it's like "We will promote what we want to succeed, instead of what is objectively better" and it's not working on their favour, because they're not being subtle at all, you can just feel it, you can smell all their bullshit from miles away. It's sad that they believe that they have some kind of power or that someone actually cares about what they say. Nobody with a brain does.
@@everythingisawesome2903 well, it IS getting so bad they're actively shitting in their own streets.. so.. yeah.. thei are so full of shit it's leaking everywhere they go. hence why texas is slowly becoming california 2.0
I actually feel the Joker movie inspired me to be nicer, more nurturing and understanding towards others.
Ashley Luciana Yes!!! same!
Same
It hit close to home for me cuz my grandma relies on medicine to stay sane because she’s had so much trauma from losing her first & second husband then she lost her ability to walk from a taxi accident....
Without her medicine, she’d create fake memories like a fake husband that she talks to just to feel happy again :/ I love my grandma, but it really hurts me that I’ll probably never be able to talk to her true self, without all her fake memories. However, she does seem to remember the most stuff when she’s surrounded by people who love her, like her children, so at the very least, I’m happy that she can still feel love and happiness.
Geez I feel like I rambled...
So yeah basically, be nice to people. Broken people don’t need to be more broken just cuz you didn’t pay attention to them.
Where would people with serious disabilities be without genuine help?
Same
"We live in a traumatized society"
Thats the entire point of the movie.
Brandon Bartkowiak that’s right. It’s something that affects anyone, anywhere. That’s the most universal concept movies can express. There’s no need to highlight the identity or sexiality of the characters, while the most important thing is the personality.
@@jaggedcut8603 I respect your take on it and thank you for your service but I'm quite certain the take was pay close attention to how you treat others, especially those suffering mental illnesses, as constant, crippling struggle is enough to drive anyone disadvantaged to madness.
Best comment. Ever.
There are so many takes on this movie and all of them can be right
"We live in a traumatized society"
Also: women affected most.
“Joker is a racist film”
*He LITERALLY had a CRUSH on a BLACK WOMAN*
Straight fax
I wouldn't call that a crush.
@@ellie7646 Unhealthy obsession, maybe?
It’s not racist but they imply in the film he murders her 😂
He crushed her
If this "traumtised society" is the reason, then why is there movies about slavery, why are there movies about WW2? those are all traumatising things that happened, but those are defenitly fine right?
👏👏
sheet cuh Lol cuz the villains in those movies are people they say they’re still fighting (racists and nazis) but Joker is making them the villains and they “Can’t even” with it!
Yea, those movies are OK. And so is joker
Excellent.
Wax communism on..wax liberty off..Daniel son!
"I'M SORRY BUT NO."
Well, boys, pack it in. We lost. It's over. Sauron got the ring. Terminator killed John Connor. Private Ryan didn't get saved. The world was covered in a glacier that caught on fire.
Don't you just hate being frozen in a burning glacier? Really rustles my jimmies.
I’m sorry but yes
Apparently terminator actually did kill John Connor-
Sauron got married?
That would explain why he’s always in such a bad mood...
Uh, spoilers!
Leftist Professor: "We live in a traumatized society."
The Joker: "We live in a society."
@Daniel Kintigh under water basket weaving, and Chicano studies is a real degree...hahahahahaba(sarcasm off)
Luis Okay...?
Accurate
Correction...you live in a traumatized reality that doesn't reflect....reality!!!!
I think the 2nd quote is actually from George Costanza.
The joker only killed rich white men though. Shouldn’t that appeal to the left?
You didnt watch the movie very closely, did you?
Haiden Geary only a joke mate
@@haidengeary8277 WOOOOW
Because Joker's two things they aren't, Unpredictable and Crafty
@Jade Runner politics is retarded. It only causes division. The Joker movie is about a guy with a severe mental illness who cracked under society's toxic pressure and gave in to madness. In his mind, he was finally free from society and exposed the people who were in it. That's why people disliked the movie.
Friendly reminder that “Frozen 2” is responsible for more violence than “Joker”
Really? XD
Nice one...
CJ Ciuca yup
this wasnt from the frozen 2 movie but a gangsta movie shown at the cinema at the same time as frozen 2 apparently between 2 women which escalated into a brawl with weapons between animals who lack self control.
Not to mention bat woman has tons of violence
Let's be real: Joker was a MASTERPIECE
It was but the fans kind off ruined it
it was alright at best
@@barnerw2983 what's your favorite movie?
@@barnerw2983 what's your favorite movie?
@ barnerw what’s your favourite movie?
“Some cops will work undercover.” Translation “Some cops are going to get to see a free movie on duty.” Nice
John Minogue they deserve to watch that masterpiece!
I just thought the same thing and voila! Your comment! LOL. Wish I got to go undercover to watch an awesome movie on the taxpayer's dime.
I worked extra security at some screenings. Really overkill for no reason. Paid for doing nothing. I'm not complaining tho. Lol
ruclips.net/video/NHY-vzCCr6w/видео.html
that's funny. lol
Joker was a masterpiece. The media hasn't got a clue, as per usual.
@The Remix ehh I somewhat think it is
Its days later and I still keep thinking about the film. I dont think it's perfect and it was very hard to watch. There is still something in it that hits me and appears special .
Heinz probably should won the oscar if the world is remotely sane though.
When I saw the cops at the theater I thought : They left are training people to be in an authoritarian society"
Yup. Get used to seeing armed guards in the streets and some day, they will be the EU's army.
First time I ever saw a famas in person was when I visited paris and walked around the Eiffel tower and city squares. shot one with the French army soon after but always thought it was interesting how that juxtaposed
When I went to a theater that we have been going to for years I quickly noticed they hired security.
When we got to the door they had a sign up that said "no handbags, backpacks, face paint, masks, or imitation guns"
One of the guys that worked at the door actually told my friend she couldnt bring her purse in.
@@Poisonedblade Not if the BOOGALOO BRIGADES RISE UP!. *REBEL YELLS INTENSIFIES*
@@IzThatit
All your friend, or anyone else, has to do is go back and say the most dreaded words. Refund now. Ta da Problem solved.
People paying so much to see a film, have control if they choose to exercise it.
They choose to be weak and stay. Or put up with even the suggestion of any of it, for convenience or the instant gratification factor.
Same for all events, or SERVICES. STOP GOING to or using things that don't offer a refund. Plane ticket, movie theatre, Any & all if it. Stop allowing it.
If that were the first thing on the checklist, before the I need to/want to go..... all this dumb would go away. Businesses want to stay in business.
So what you miss out on banter around the water cooler at work etc about a movie you can own for less than the price of admission. At least your self respect is intact.
Dont fly their unfriendly skies, the trip will be more interesting and engaging.
Etc etc etc.
I watched the Joker and saw it as a film about mental health... nothing more
Because all the leftists try to read into something so hard instead of just enjoying it
@@augiehicks4588 I have seen nobody, except braindead twitter and the news, which they really wanted it to fail because it puts them in a bad light, say this movie is bad.
@@Awsomememes yeah it’s pretty sad
@@augiehicks4588 don’t kid yourself man. The last thing any leftist read was either a menu or the latest CNN post. Assuming they get past their dyslexia.
@@KineticTaco it’s not politically correct to make fun of my lysdexia
"I'm sorry, no. You don't get away with it that easy!"
Don't get away with what, exactly? Making an origin movie about a comic book character? Literally nothing wrong has been done here.
Who died and made her "Lord of the flies"...I mean films.
Orion Slaver they still got away with it
It's a common tactic to make it seem like you did something wrong without a direct accusation. Usually injecting phrases like "So you admit that...", "you're getting away with...", "some would say that it promotes..."
The only "wrong" that was perpetrated was the offensive comments made by the "axe wound". Gee, go figure.
This times make me sick we need to reboot life without internet. People are not rdy for the responsibility that comes with it
The Batwoman trailer: “that suit (Batman’s suit) is perfection.”
“It will be when it’s made for a woman.”
I am Jack’s complete lack of surprise. It’s getting exhausting. Remember when everyone turned into a psychotic vigilante after Taxi Driver? Of course not.
You talkin' to me?
i am jack's colon. if i get cancer, i kill jack
I remember... Even tho I was born in 86.
"I can't even."
"You're paid to even."
Lol
😂
She never actually said those words though :D
@@paraic9163 It's reading between the lines
If someone actually paid me to even, I’d still be broke
Everytime I hear someone say they can't even, I assume they have a neurological disorder.
May Santiago is against “Joker”, but I bet she loves and defends “Cuties”.
The irony.
I like how Batwoman is literally leeching off BatMAN’s achievements, yet getting upset that people think she’s him saying she won’t let a man take credit for her work
Batwoman:
>tries to be like Batman
>female bone density lets her down
>breaks her body
>everyone’s surprised face
*pikachu meme*
Batwoman= Batman's bitch.
Baadwaahman
So true.
“Literally” leeching? Are you aware of what the word literally means?
Her argument was basically hey here’s my emotions cater to them
The left mind:
_Birds Of Prey_ : This is a WOKE movie, its NOT FOR old white men, Hahaha SUX to B U
_Joker_ : REEEE! BAN JOKER.. Its a Incel movie for people other than me.. BAN IT BAN IT
Pretty much 😒
*Parents bring kids to an R rated movie* also parents *Gets angry about it having R rated scenes*
I drink steak in Australia it’s a ma 15 it’s not even that bad I’m fourteen and don’t watch many R movies (obviously) but I’ve seen Rambo so this was piss weak lol
I drink steak
Deadpool?
In clear ignorance of the many warnings Ryan put out before both movies came out
I just saw it twice tonight, there was a family with their underage kid sounded hispanic so the nino was making loud noises when they didn't see Batman--hoho poor kid this wasn't that movie but the other kid next to me was enthralled although he was half asleep since it was long, gritty, dark and mature he didn't really get it but he also didn't freak out and the parents all had a good time heard them chuckle at some scenes.
I remember when a dad took his son to see watchmen. Didn't end well for dad and son.
I'm not pro censorship, but I think it shouldn't be so easy for parents to take their kids to R rated movies.
Maybe parents should sign a waiver on the way in, idk. It just seems like it happens everytime an R rated action movie comes out.
Joker airs: OMG THATS SEXIST
Birds of Pray (Harley Quinn): OMG SO EMPOWERING
Funny, cause I liked both.
@@jedidiahhenaku-budu4469 Me too(Pun intended.) But yea, I think enjoying both can say a lot about someone not being stuck on one ideology. Now, of course people can dislike one or both without politics involved as well. The point being, art should never suffer at the hands of the "Political Majority." IMO, the best filmmakers(Kubrick, Scorsese, Hitchcock to name a few) aren't overtly political. They may address past or current ideologies, but they do so without casting judgement. They aren't teaching lessons in morality. They respect the audience and allow them to come to their own conclusions.
Joker was good enough.harley quinn was pure shit.
Birds of prey: sucks because its terrible.
Sonic: makes 300 million, one of the modt succesful video game movies
The only good thing about birds of prey was black mask.
The Joker movie has in my opinion brought up the issue of mental health, how abuse can take toll on a person and how we should be focusing on helping these individuals more than any other piece of entertainment in the recent years.
That's a brilliant outlook!
Amen brother!
Juanmanuel Vizcarra It is the surface issue. The underlying issue is society
Juanmanuel Vizcarra literally what the movie was made for
I haven’t seen the movie yet (small town) but the trailer alone gave me this impression, like it was calling some issues to light that certain “professors” would rather not consider, because you know - us men have too much privilege, and don’t have real issues. I used to want to be cryo-frozen until this nonsense was over, but I realized that each age would have its ideological slant, and I may as well learn right now to not give a shit. Opinions are like assholes - everyone has one. Hopefully during my lifetime I can contribute in some meaningful way, like raising a kid who is a critical thinker, strong in her own right, doesn’t need some whimsical validation and isn’t a victim - who knows how to get shit done because she god damn wants to. Good luck in the future my dear. I’ll give you all the tools I can to make you strong. You won’t need a label like feminist, or progressive, or conservative for that matter. You’ll just be my daughter (insert name) - the person who kicked ass. Good luck to you!
90% of the controversy surrounding Joker is media fearmongering.
Good advertising
It is all marketing. Controversy sells.
Propaganda much?
Exactly it has nothing to do with the left
Where does the quote come from:
"Sane people like a movie about a crazy villain. Crazy people hate the movie that makes them look bad."
Spot on.
*_My own subjective interpretation of themes in Joker, that may actually be wrong:_*
1) Arthur isn't political, he's a simple, kindhearted man who just wants to survive and make people smile.
2) The Left/Big Government: He's receiving help through some kind of financial aid, but the meds aren't working that well. He's tried them all, taking a laundry list of meds, and still pleads for more - as if this will actually help him. Tough to say if it's even beneficial and what are the side effects. His "therapist" doesn't actually give a damn about him, it's just a paycheck, but it helps having someone to talk to... possibly? Although he's getting "help", it's impersonal and ineffective. He's alone and forgotten.
3) The Right/Small Government: Due to cut funding, he's off his meds and loses therapy; seems like an awful thing. He goes through some transformation, and although we know the rest of the movie - it's possible for someone in his situation to discover the root causes of their suffering and build a new life - without medication, without therapy. He found his Self. Starts building confidence. But Arthur isn't one of the many on antidepressants/anxianxiety - but seems schizophrenic (or something), and clearly needs the medication to stay grounded in reality.
4) The Left and Right both failed him. He's someone society forgot and willfully chooses to ignore. When he realizes what's going on, he embraces no politics; just chaos. He's an anarchist, a bit of a nihilist. He doesn't blame society for failing him, but doesn't mind watching society burn. He doesn't lash out against those who haven't harmed him personally and directly.
5) Although the movie takes place through the lenses of Arthur the entire time, I think after the movie's over, a good perspective is everyone else's POV. If you see a lonely person out in public, maybe say hello if they seem to enjoy conversation. Be nicer, kinder to people. You have no idea how much this could mean to someone who's utterly alone and afraid, struggling with mental illness and poverty.
Arthur is the glass of milk we left in our bedroom for 4 days and willfully chose to ignore it, even after its stench reached our nostrils. It is our job to take care of the widows and orphans - the poor, the sick - and big government and the free market alone can't do that for us. That's our job, as humans, as Christians.
That's beautiful sir, here have my like
you wrote what i wanted to write. i couldnt get it out of my head onto the page properly i couldnt think how to explain it but you got it bang on the money.
spot on
you helped me find the deeper meaning of this movie thank you
Very good
Sorry I'm not listening to someone who's Job title is "film professor".
The *Wine taster* of film
Experts say " you should listen to the expert"
They’re teaching the next crop of film makers so we might want to listen to them in order to change their minds.
Film Professor: So basically a no-name critic that overpaid for school.
@@Scorpiomaj27889 pretty much
*Claims to be a critic*
*Is an adult*
*Whines like a baby just because the Joker movie shows too much of the world's corrupt side*
Exactly it shows how much the world is messed up and its a origin story for the character.
*Also the same critics that have also complained about Godzilla King of the Monsters because the movie is filled with monster fights and only care about human character*
I'm a liberal that loves the Joker. The Joker is a movie with a huge emphasis on society, how it needs to be changed, how the higher class doesn't want it to change and how extremists take it too far trying to change it. It's a movie that criticizes both conservatism and radical liberalism.
Finally... Someone who gets it!!
THANK YOU👏
i Can't agree more with you
You got it just right.
Finally! You, sir, have common sense.
That movie is literally one of the best movies I have watched
“I don’t want to censor anything but We need to censor everything.”
-academy awards judge
I just spent 10 minutes trying to understand why my RUclips comment does not show up on the channel Andrew Schulz (popular politically incorrect stand up comedian).
I posted the same reply about 50 times, it always disappeared after 20-30 seconds and I had to post it again.
When I removed the words hxnk, hxnk [clown emoji], the comment appeared and has been there since.
They (RUclips/Google) ACTUALLY shadowban your comments for hxnk hxnk meme and clown emoji. In a politically incorrect comedian's comment section, no less.
Neat display pic
"We are a traumatized society!"
Speak for yourself, lady. I'm feeling great! 😂
No no... shes right!! im just traumatized by pple like her...
Just gotta say that your username is hilarious
Goddamn this didn’t age well 😂
WE LIVE IN A SOCIETY
I know right. Not everyone is so mindlessly fragile
I just saw "Joker." There is absolutely no reason to get upset about it and every reason to be excited about it.
She's a Professor?
WOW
Professor in gender studies
Imagine taking out a loan and using it for her class.
Ben Shapiro wrote in one of his books, ‘Colleges, Community College and University, are fill with Leftist Liberals.’
Marxism has been infecting the school system for generations at this point.
College professors are clowns. This isnt shocking
Joker is a cinematic masterpiece
Bat woman is a bad feminist tv show
Absolutely LOOOOVED the joker
But masterpiece?
Not sure id agree
@@TOAOM123 If you love it so much that you would include more than 2 O's wouldn't you see it as masterpiece?
TOAOM123 it really was, dude. The cinematography, the acting, was fan fucking tastic
@@Josh-oc7ib
I also love the toxic avenger but wouldnt see that as a masterpiece either lol
TOAOM123 just how it connected to society problems
"We're a traumatized society"
Uh, no. Speak for yourself lady.
Exactly.
In a way, we ARE a traumatized society.... and it's because these crazed liberals are FUCKING everything up.
"May Santiago is an emerging film scholar and micro-budget filmmaker. Her work focuses on themes of intersectional identity within mental health, queer identity, and decolonization."
Yes I am traumatized. I'm traumatized by the never ending assault on our civil rights by the left.
I refuse to be a victim
Joker was a masterpiece, and those who called it out just pointed themselves out as being pro-censorship.
Guarantee it doesnt win a single oscar. Mark my words.
@@iskand14 pretty sure it did didn't it?
@@REDACTYD well played my friend.
@@iskand14 either way it was still a great movie
@@iskand14 it won an Oscar, right bitch😂😂😂
Imagine thinking we live in a “traumatized society” when we live in America that has no slavery, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, gender equality, capitalism, and people aren’t literally killed for their religion/sexuality/politics.
That’s not entirely true, people have been killed for their religion and sexuality!
sarrijan i’m saying that it is illegal and frowned upon by america
Eliana Joelle ohhh okay
Unless of course your white cisgender straight male then its okay.
@@Breelik i can’t tell if you are being sarcastic or not but can you explain what you mean
“People are individuals.” And that’s where you lost her.
I don't like Joker because I hate Hollywood glorifying Heroin Addicts.
The only reason they picked Joaquin Phoenix is because he's a life long Heroin Addict, and they were hoping to recreate Heath Ledger's Heroin Addict Joker.
It's so obvious and transparent why they chose this guy.
And they're also probably hoping he OD's and kills himself with all the money he's making. That'll turn the movie into a hit, because then they can play up the Heroin Addict, and Fatal Overdose similarities between Joaquin Phoenix and Heath Ledger.
I just don't care about celebrity drug addicts and I don't think them killing themselves by overdosing makes them heroes.
@@onestopfunstop317 well no but actually no
@@onestopfunstop317
If that was the case then the dancing in the bathroom scene wouldn't be made
@@onestopfunstop317
They wouldn't have picked Joaquin because of his record as an actor and the numerous awards he's won.....would they? Nah. No way that would happen.
My father-in-law was an addict and it killed him. He was also a very talented bricklayer and ran his own construction business while his addiction started and escalated. His kids hate what happened to him yet they are still proud of the work he does and will point out the buildings that he built with pride of his accomplishments because he did accomplish those things as well. That doesn't mean they're glorifying his addiction. It means that their father was a complex individual as we all are.
I'm not a Christian but there is an incident described where Jesus was asked who was worthy of the Kingdom of Heaven. His answer was "No one". That means we're all no better than our neighbour and we're equally unworthy.
Judge the work, NOT the person. Did Phoenix do a good job in the film or not? That is what is at issue here, not the personal lives of those involved in the film. That's has always been the tactic of the dogmatic, the demands of the ultra religious.
@@onestopfunstop317 jared leto too?
Somewhere around the world,
A joker is laughing at all this.
"Some people just want to watch the world Burn"
I mean sometimes you see shit that's going on and you want to see the world burn,everyone does at one point
You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villian.
Possibly the most recycled Joker quote on the internet. I hope you didn’t have to google that.
Lefttard’s worse nightmare didn’t Harvey dent say that? It’s been a while
@@jdspunkd obviously, im one of those few people who remember it from 2008 in cinema hall when 1st time Alfred speaks that line. I love Nolan's trilogy
I love how the leftists can't even find a Professor that sounds intelligent. *that was edited from my phone's autocorrect which thinks live is a better word than love.
*love instead of live
Elio Pestana *like instead of love
That's because leftists never pick people based on competence or merit, but from the winning medalists from their intersectional Olympics. The wokest the better.
@@williewill1237 *hate instead of like
This is what 50,000 grand a year gets you at most universities today. A bachelors degree in how to be a liberal moron. Or get your master's and you can teach other kids how to be clueless morons.
Anyone notice how the left is currently acting exactly like all those rioters in the joker movie
Personally I felt the films message was more liberal than it was conservative. Not overtly so but it wasn't hard to make the connection between The Joker and the current Leftists whom are outraged about their perceived oppression.
100%~ they just don’t recognize potential male issues
@@mk-ultramags1107 it was very nuanced imo. The basic message is to be kind to one another. To try to bring people together instead of divide people. It was against the establishment and I'm all for it. You could link it to the blm riots or the capitol riot if you want to. I feel like it makes more sense from a conservative standpoint, but that is very debatable. It was a message for everyone, but people didn't hear it because we are more divided than ever.
@@mk-ultramags1107 the city was the villian...so it makes them reflect.
Joker movie: Exists
Film professor: I'm sorry, but no.
bahahaha SHES SO DUMB LOL!!
My film professor loved the movie and is going to teach it in class when it becomes available digitally for our advanced critical film studies course lol. I'm a Progressive and I loved the movie, gonna go see it again.
"I hope my death makes more cents than my life"
Why do these liberal loudmouths all look and come across as retarded?!😂🤣
C's get degrees
@@supamanzthedumbasssez2782 because they dont have real educations they're just airheads
Professor - "No"
I'm sorry, who needed your permission?
"No" is a good one. I like "You need to ... " as well.
The sheer fucking arrogance.
She is a PHD. It is required by law to get he permission.
Joker is neither left or right it's pure ANARCHY.
B-but... anarchy can also be right or left.
THAANK YOU!!
It’s chaos, he’s an agent of chaos😂😂
But according to article 4 section 4 of the U.S. Constitution the Democratic Party is an unconstitutional party
@@AdmiraHax what aboat anarcho primitivism then?
When someone's main point begins, "I'm sorry, but . . . " she's pretty much conceded she has no rational argument.
That lady is a professor?
Yeah, end times.
Let's be honest, it's probably in a useless subject like gender studies....or anthropology.
@@Entinu94 Yea or English
"I'M A PROFESSOR!!"
@@ruminatingreptilian5907 What do u want? a cookie???
@@hydrogenmissle I'm referencing this: ruclips.net/video/qoIL_iOaRSQ/видео.html
Kinda hard to take someone seriously, when their job title is film professor.
I have learned so much from people on RUclips breaking down films. At this point thats going to be a better alternative than this crazy professors
Mark Groth They’re meant to entertain, not talk about political topics.
A “film professor”.
Did she ever make a film? If yes, was it a film that anyone other than her wanted to see?
Bullshit artist.
@@gilmercastro9849 same. Learned a lot from RedLetterMedia and Ralphthemoviemaker
Went to see "Joker"
It is NOT ALL gun violence
...he stabs someone too
Also smothers.
And apparently guns are illegal in Gotham.
UK has entered the chat
and something to the psych at the end, probably stomping
I love that part too
Figures
Oct 8th, 2019 left: Let's waste the cops' time!
May 2020 left: NO MORE COPS!
Leftist: We should deal more with mental illness
Also Leftists: Movies about mental illness makes us uncomfortable. 'Just no.'"
ErisBrigedon nope no one ever said that
Angel Antayhua How do you know “no one every said that?”
@@angelantayhua3096 i cpuld give you a whole brief of it
ErisBrigedon I’m a leftist , don’t understand this lol
Stop using leftists, these are just fucking idiots
Batwoman's messages: "IM A WOMAAAAAN 🎶"
Joker's messages: "Media makes cultural tension worse. Downtrodden people can become dangerously nihilistic, and so it goes..."
“We live in a society” - Joker 2019
John Balnis better not to speak about things you don’t know about
@John Balnis how pathetic does that make America if a pathetic criminal was democratically elected to your highest office?
John Balnis we can lock him up right after we successfully secure our borders, deport or imprison every single illegal (including their “dreamer” children that are now adults), and quit blaming the guns for the actions of madmen. Until then, you don’t have a leg to stand on!
@John Balnis
You're right! Trump is a "pathetic criminal."
He just doesn't have it in him. Now HELLARY and Ovomit, THOSE are master criminals!
Try harder next time, Libtard asshole!
@John Balnis if you are looking for big brained talks against conservatives, Steven Crowders comment section is not it bro lol
It’s always ridiculous when a crazy overbearing parent says a Disney movie is bad because the villain of the movie says/does something bad. You’re 5 year old daughters aren’t looking for life advice from Ursula from the Little Mermaid.
Yeah, children rarely relate to vilains anyway. They knew that when they made propaganda during WW2, showing Hitler as a cartoon vilain.. and it worked.
"The books that the world calls immoral are the books that show the world it's own shame."
- Oscar Wilde
Oscar Wilde was a commie scumbag, read the soul of man after socialism. Everything he wrote was socialist propaganda
@@samjames6890 Even if that were true, it's still a good quote. As someone who agrees with 19th century socialists on next to nothing, I can still find common ground with someone like Oscar Wilde that censorship is bad, and often says more about the censor than the censored.
@@sietsejohannes censorship is ultimately the prerogative of the bourgeoisie. It's rather sad that the Joker had been subsumed into the machinery of alt-right discourse, such as it has here. Crowder superficially taps into the truth that capital paints itself with a progressive veneer, ignoring the fact that it's only a veneer, and that it is indeed capitalism which exists behind it. Identity politics of this sort serve the establishment well, and distorts any appreciation for the mechanisms of domination and exploitation which exist in principal relation to capitalism. The left has nothing to do whatever with respect, kindness, and stale identity politics. The Joker is a critical film, therefore aptly described a left-wing or progressive in the proper, Wildean sense.
@@samjames6890 Eh no. Groups from all layers of society can use the power of the government as a tool for censorship, not just "the rich".
Also, how is pointing out that Joker (or any other movie for that matter) does not cause mass shootings part of the alt-right discourse? That should be something sensible conservatives and sensible liberals/democratic socialists could agree on.
As for the political message of Joker itself, I think it's pretty neutral. Neither the rich elites, nor the anarchist revolutionaries themselves are portrayed as 100% good or evil.
Well it's certainly a movie about rich people fucking over the poor, and the poor responding accordingly. The government, of course, operates in tandem with the rich. You cannot so easily separate politics and ecomics. The bureacratisation of social life coincided with modernity, I.e. industrialisation and managerial capitalism. The state itself functions as a means by which to consolidate and reproduce capitalist social relations. Anyone of sensible politics understands that a movie doesn't cause mass shootings. Any such person also understands that being on the left has nothing to do with governments, making the Joker a pretty left-wing film.
“Hundreds of millions of dollars”
Jokers budget was $55 Million
Thats irrelevant.
I think we meant that the media budget took it over 100 million dollars, typically the media buy is at least as much much as the budget for the movie itself
Advertising budget isnt usually counted.
Delaney O could actually be a hundred million if you include price of promotion and other expenses after the production of film (usually adds between 50-75%on top of budget) [im conjecturing because WB is backing the film and being a cultural icon like joker it would be heavily promoted)
Marketing inflates that, but I see your point. It's minuscule compared to other 'blockbusters'.
When the Joker is more sane than the left...
Invid of INP lol what the left is way more sane than the joker. Have you seen the movie?
The professor has chola earrings!! Lol
I’d befriend Arthur fleck over a libtard any day
Killer Klown Arthur fleck is the epitome of a libtard... his ideology is on the extreme left
Gotta love these circle jerks
The Joker has me emotionally twisted up because I had a similar up bringing. No father, abusive mother, my mother convinced me that I was mentally ill because I was depressed about my dad and the abuse I was dealing with. All growing up I was bullied and ostracized. I built my confidence up, made a tile company, started a family and became happy. However things could’ve been different. It was shocking to see an actor portray the reality of a broken man in a broken system just trying to get through the day, only to face the same hell the next day. The movie opens up a serious dialogue about the mental health crisis in our nation.
They don’t like a movie about a clown? Even though they are clowns
Dude good one bro
They all hate themselves. Why do you think they’re so angry?
Ironic isn't it
The left are clowns and have the same agenda as Joker which is chaos, but they are more insane than Joker so they don't have the self awareness to even admit that it's their agenda.
@@GrayveRoseMusic ...and they're jealous of his green hair.
All this did was make more people interested in Joker than normal.
Had no interest in seeing it til I saw the outrage, lol.
@@RohannvanRensburg I'm with you have no interest until all the critics started bagging it and now can't wait to see it.
Gryphon Tbh I actually wanted to be killed when I saw it.. as I was hoping a easy way out since I’m too much a coward to die.. and hoping someone would just shoot up the place and wouldn’t be all that bad cuz I won’t die alone as other people would die with me!! But sadly I didn’t die unfortunately... but it’s a really good movie.. I can relate to him so much
@@JessicaGarcia-xf9wr Joe Rogan says DMT can help people like you, I have my reservations.
JAG AMY maybe I will.. all I want to do is die.. to much of a coward to kill myself
The Joker literally is in love with a black woman
Mamias 009 He likey dat chocolate boooooty!
That's what I'm saying
Technically she's half white so she's not really "black"
Only black person in the movie.
@@infinityhand6569 so Obama isn't black then.
i’m convinced that our society is so successful and there is such a lack of problems. Atleast major issues that people nitpick everything
Remember that these are the same people that claim Amy Schumer is a comedien.
Did anyone else think of Amy when they made that joke in the movie?
“IS IT JUST ME OR IS IT GETTING CRAZIER OUT THERE??”
It ain't just you.
It's only going to get worse before it gets better.
First line of the movie.
Tyler Gibson MUCH WORSE
You get what you deserve
“A movie with hundreds of millions behind it” did she even look up the budget if the film? It’s 50 million, if we add marketing it barely reaches 100 million. Truly deserving of a doctorate.
I would say she is pretty she doesn't need to be smart but.. she isn't
These are the types of professors who fill up the country's "film schools." This is why no one knows anything when they walk out of the doors. You would like to think that out of any type of professor that one who teaches film would know how films work. But alas....
Technically marketing costs about 60 million for a movie like this. Possibly more. Many people always underestimate how much money goes to market a film.
For a movie budget with $50 million and currently making half a billion in revenue it's truly amazing how creative one can ve
And it made 737.5 million at the moment haahahaha
I love how she thinks joker isn’t a messed up character
May Santiago
“Film Professor”
Lol
EatSomePizza code for porn Star
May Santiago
Gender Studies BA
Joker was a masterpiece, the real clown is anyone that gives this movie a bad review
Yeah man. One criticism I love is: "The movie is much more psychological than what we were led to believe."
Like wtf do you mean? It's like you never watched the trailer.
@@jmmproductions6741 I didn't watch the trailer and even I was able to hear through the grape vine the feel of the movie before I decided to watch. I really dislike spoilers (and watching trailers ruin hype moments for me, and as such count as a spoiler in my book) but I can still find out small details to discern if I really want to watch a movie by other means. In the end I found the movie premise for Joker interesting so I decided to watch it, and I enjoyed it.
The only people, that I know of, who didn't enjoy it were primarily people who went in with different expectations due to some level of ignorance as to what the movie was going to be.
Tbf people who consider this movie a masterpiece are probably clowns as much as those who consider it thrash so im not sure where youre coming from with that kind of statement XD
Carlos QC what do you mean? From a cinematic standpoint it was a masterpiece. From the directing, to casting, acting, how the scenes were shot, music, it was brilliant from top to bottom. That alone should keep it from most bad reviews. Outside of that, the actual story line was incredibly thought provoking, it had a deep message with plenty of nuances and likely should have hit you with many different emotions and feelings from laughter to sadness and everything in between. I don’t see what you mean here.
@@bakuwinthro8926 Yeah, some trailers spoil, but the Joker Trailer is a great trailer. It doesn't spoil anything about the movie, yet it still tells you what it's about, and what you should expect.
SWJ: “you took everything from us”
Joker: “I don’t even know you”
"SWJ" 😂😂😂
Social Wustice Jarrior
i Versacington 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 classic thanks
Batwoman? I love Julie neumar
*_YOU STOLE MY DREAMS!_*
Joker made the story the main plot, and the message a side plot.
Batwoman made the story a side plot, and the message the main plot.
The progressive Left: "This Film shouldn't been made."
Everyone else: "Which is why it _must_ be made."
David Foxfire brilliant 🖖🏼
Sounds more like the regressive left.
.................Precisely.
The regressive Right: "All Libtards are idiots."
Most Conservatives: "Shut up! Stop adding fuel to the fire!"
Some Libtards: "This film shouldn't have been made."
Most Liberals: "Go fuck yourselves! We love the Joker movie."
Objectivity is a good thing. ;)
Want to know when a movie is good? Wait for the liberals to start thrashing against it.
Joker: kills 4 guys with gun
John Wick: hold my dog
Brilliant!
Jonathan Culbertson mind blown
IKR John Wick 3 was by far the most violent movie I can remember seeing
@@princessbiker1975 ya well well see that hold up in chapter 4 in 2 years... Cant wait..
No hold my pencil
They don't like it because they saw themselves in the Joker movie.
Possibly, joker is white, socially awkward and hates Rich capitalist. Joker himself didn't feel antifa but the movement he inspired....totally does
They are afraid of that part of themselves.
I just saw it and no joke, when I watched Arthur walk through the protesters and start to join in and feel like part of something, I thought of Antifa straight away. A lot of Antifa/Left wing protesters happen to be outcasts or "losers". It's sort of scary how accurate it was
Ikon West Well they are the villains.
Wasn’t joker all about mental health and what happens when it’s all alone
Isn’t that how you stop mass shootings
Joaquin deserves an Oscar for his performance in “JOKER “. That’s all I got to say about this.
He's not black, ergo, no.
I always saw Joker as lanky and kinda skinnier than most. Joaquin seems too buff for the role.
@@thebr3310 Huh
TheBR3 You could say the same for Heath Ledger’s Joker, but Joaquin lost *40lbs* for this role. Joaquin literally is skin and bones in this movie.
He’s gonna get snubbed... unfortunately 🙄
USA Professor - "we live in a traumatized society"
Every third world country - "what!!!? I didnt know eating everyday was traumatic"
It's a traumatized society...in THEIR minds
A snowflake society IS a traumatized society.
A woman with mutilated genitals peers out of her burka somewhere....
Jim McCracken he talks shit but how come he hasn’t bombed Iran over them shooting down are drone push comes to shove he isn’t as hard as he acts I have no problem with trump but just saying the idea that he wants to blow shit up is probably is true
It's the society they live in. The one I live in is different. They should worry about their own society not controlling mine.
Joker’s biggest enemy:
Automatic doors
Exit doors*
@John Balnis lmao. Don't you mean reality?
@John Balnis no the dirty hippies are on the left.
John Balnis The lefts biggest enemy
Themselves
Trump 2020
@John Balnis
You are a subhuman POS!
I hadn't seen Joker yet, but now I am purposefully going to rent or buy it
I’ve seen it twice. Truly a masterpiece. Even better the second time.
Profesors acting like spoiled kids. Critics who are afraid to criticize. Police serving the media instead of the people.
We truly live in a society.
Sunday S a lot of them have that extreme leftist mindset. It’s hilarious, but sad at the same time.
Most underrated and important comment I’ve heard
Film prof: “we are a traumatized society” Joker: “We live in a society” hmmmm
Lol only a pussy would be traumatized sorry but it’s true live your life people everything else is just background noise
Nick P. Cage that’s triggering! I’m literally shaking right now!
Nick P. Cage smh I’m shaking and crying rn. Also professor film = the joker confirmed???
1:24
I'd love to see her reaction if a film like Natural Born Killers came out in the modern day.
dems: "It'll inspire mass shootings"
also dems: i love the movie 'the hunt', it's only *satire*
marilyn xx HAHAHAHAHAH!!
Also the same people that recommend Get Out and love making John Wick films:/
@@mollykate.99 thought Get Out and Us were okay films, loved the 3 John Wick films, still not sure what The Hunt actually is, and i want to see the Joker, am i also a dem?
MOLLY KATE I might not be getting your point, I adore John Wick and think Get Out was pretentious trash.
SharKwORDT95 👈🏻 what he said.
Joker is crazy that’s the point of him. He’s not political and this shouldn’t be an issue.
Hara Isbara have your read Joker white knight? I think that’s the name of it, but essentially joker goes sane and sues the bat.
Hara Isbara fosho, I found it from watching a comicstorian vid, he offhandedly mentioned it and I was like “interesting”
@Hara Isbara Check out on RUclips 'Batman: Black and White - Case Study. You won't regret it.
@Hara Isbara If you argue hes not insane you didnt watch the movie .
@Hara Isbara i love it
They hate the joker? Well well well, doesnt everyone hate the hard truths, when its about themselves?
They are the bad guys, the Joker just holds up a mirror.
Holy shit! He actually said "munching carpet!" Im laughing so hard! Steven, you are so awesome!
Didn’t the shooter shoot the dark knight rises? Joker wasn’t even in that movie
He opened fire on the theater showing Dark Knight Rises, no Joker wasn't in that one and he never ever said I'm the joker. He picked the theater because it was busy and full. He said as much in his journal
So that'd be a ngetavie
general gringo he dyed his hair red but even then the joker wasn’t in the movie soooo
@@ha_joker_ha6337 but I said joker wasn't in Rises
general gringo I know I’m agreeing with you
I disliked her before she even started talking
She just has that look! You know she stinks 😷
rellim92O Yup. It’s almost like all these loonies are possessed by the same entity or something among those lines. The second you see them you KNOW.
Her bangs are bad, I ain't taking her seriously
Joker was one of the best movies I’ve seen in years. It deals with dark realities that should be portrayed. Not hidden because it might cause discomfort. That’s the point.
@Snails40 Weak
@Larry Bird's White Privilege literally all the communists are clowns, u fucking dumbass.
Snails40 Comunist propaganda? Hello what are you smoking? He wanted to become a comedian Not Soviet commissar. He was admiring Murray not Lenin or Stalin. You’re just like the people who were saying the Joker was racist. Now Joker is communist.
Snails40 lots of movies touch on bullying but I think they’re often very cheesy and surface leveled. Often taking place in schools and with less depth. I thought the movie showed a different version of it. It happens directly to Arthur but it also kind of shows this narc attitude people walk around with in the movie and in real life just in general, where people are called pitiful and weak for trying to seek empathy when they are hurt. the way Arthur did in the end of the movie with the host on tv. I thought it showed how we all treat people who hurt like trash, and how we do walk over people and what happens to people who grow up with those experiences and are never allowed to assess the damage done. Especially when you mix it all with mental illness. I thought it was different in this way.
9:06 the Subaru key had me dead 🤣
I'm an old black man and I don't like it either. Batwoman, that is.
HAHAHAHAHA you made my day m8!🍺🥃
hallejuah
I don't remember them bitching this much when Suicide Squad came out.
Suicide is an epidemic and it's in the title. Reeee?
The school threatened to kick my grandson out for talking about that movie
Joker was only in that movie for like 5 minutes total
Although I haven’t seen it, wasn’t Django Unchained a movie about a guy going on a killing spree that was specifically racially motivated? Why didn’t the media flip out about that movie inspiring violence?
@Yuri Soyboyka i feel bad for Leto. Ive heard he's a great actor but they gave him very little to work with in that movie.
Tom Hardy as Bane took over a whole “town” holding them hostage with a nuclear bomb
James B prior to the woke leftist culture?
Different time. They'll care about that in 10yrs and try to cancel it
The point is you feel sorry and empathise with the homeland terrorism, that’s why it’s different. I don’t at all agree with the far left trying to censor this, but your comparison is incorrect.
Mitchell Vaughan no one is advocating that, we simply thinks it’s all fantasy and entertainment. You guys are always reaching for something.
James B they haven’t had time to complain about that yet
Back in the day, we used to watch the Bugs Bunny And Roadrunner show, and then go out on the town dropping anvils on people's heads. That was so fun.
"We're a traumatized society." Grow up.
MiniBoogerx what do want? This is what feminists have been preaching for years. She is a victim and you’re insensitive!
Ok really, it’s just another movie and the media is just fear mongering
The bubble society that she lives in is traumatized at the fact that other people don't think exactly the same way they do.
People need to grow some cojones.
@@maddutchman5457 That's why they hate this movie because they think they're the only ones with the right to be hurt.
Ahhhh the generalist left!
She's a "Professor"?
FMFL.
120k in debt
hs valedictorian..
she was ranked #1 female 500th of 1000 overall...
we're fucked.
Why is that “professor” wearing couch upholstery?
Hilary fangirl
My grandmother would make curtains out of bedsheets.
Halloween costume idea: her outfit and a surf board.... Couch surfer🤷♂️
Fudge Dredd 🤣
Probably a sizing thing.