F*ck You, Pay Me
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
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I loved getting out of the Office....and Yes, I had lot's of Fun....
Thank you. somebody who finally references the video that was talked about with a link in either a pinned comment or the description so I can go to it.
Hi, the link in the description is incorrect.
I think Jamie was right about you.
I came in late just as you said it might be your circus or your monkey lol
I thought...this is going to be good Haha Love Adam savage!💙🙏
I got fired from a painting job as a teenager where I was required to remove lead paint from a large wooden ship. I wasn't given a respirator, and when I asked for one, I was given one with used carts that had expired 5 years earlier and the mask was leaking. I went back to my shop foreman and asked for new ones and he said only his long-term guys got new ones; the 'new guys' weren't worth it - we had no PPE to use. I told him I'd get back to work as soon as he gave me the PPE required by law for the work - he decided I wasn't worth a pair of carts for a respirator that would seal, and I spent the next 20 years in the trades hiring guys away from his crews - some of the best workers and often VERY eager to work for a foreman (me) who wasn't going to treat them like garbage.
Raising a glass to you. Well done.
is see it this way if they cut corners on PPE which is the bare min where else are they cutting corners?
My Great Grandpa got fired from a job installing Power Lines in the Rocky Mountains. When he came back, he set up shop, hired guys out from his previous owners company, and then proceeded to run his former company out of business within 3 years. He then continued that process until he had ran other competition out. As well. He made a fortune for himself and the company still operates today.
Yes sir
"The new guys aren't worth it"
That is an insane sentiment to hold in any field with risk of physical harm. Glad you got out of there, that boss should get locked in a porta-john until he comes to his senses.
Adam PLEASE keep this discussion going. The way you just discussed work place safety and fair negotiations is exactly how we need this talked about. You are uniquely positioned to make sure our young workers are safe and treated well. Thanks so much for this.
I am a stickler for safety. But holy crap, these kiddos 25 and under are just not listening. I feel like I'm answering the same questions every single day. 90 day probation period has come and gone. Like Adam said. They are terrible at their jobs but they keep a good attitude. And that goes a long way.
"I'm about to curse" - Adam Savage
If I said that every time I'm about to swear , I would never get anything done 😂
Adam is one of the classier Savages.
and still the coolest in the room😅😂
Putting the Savage in Savage
Reminds me of the "Can I be mean" meme lol
I came back to a restaurant as an assistant manager after having left. One of my new duties was to go down to the restaurant if someone on the opening staff didn't show up. I got down there one morning when the maintenance guy didn't show and had to clean the deep fryers. We had none of the proper PPE to do the job. The GM says we don't replace it because no one uses it. I then explained the difference in the amounts a lawsuit would award if someone got injured and we didn't have the PPE available vs. the employee didn't use it, including him as GM being personally liable and not protected by the corporate entity of the restaurant because he would be personally negligent for not doing his job and supplying it.
chain of responsibility law is very real and you can be jailed for breaking it. a manager for a Australian transport company was jailed recently for 3 years because he was negligent he allowed a driver who wasnt fit to drive, work for the company, (that driver is now in prison for 3 counts of dangerous driving.)
the manager had also encouraged others to ignore fatigue legislation on several occasions. he also got a substantial fine it was tens of thousands of dollars. his negligence cost 3 people thier lives and put thousands of people at risk.
….if no one uses it, why were they out of it? 🤣 that makes no sense.
@@heatherr4321 yeah if no one used it you would think it would be gathering dust on the shelf. more like the couldn't be bothered to buy any so there never was any to begin with.
in my country most employers not in the white collar world provide all ppe and uniform including footwear and often the shirts are embroidered with the company logo and your name.
a bloke i shared a house with is a welder his employer supplies him with uniform one day a manger saw his shirt was stained and ripped told him go see the office girls about a new shirt. if he wants new shirts etc he just has to request them.
@@heatherr4321 Stuff can get gross and thrown out. I can easily imagine like, 2 year old gloves with ancient oil and grease on them getting tossed b/c they sat on a nasty back shelf never getting used.
It gets better: you are still responsible to a degree if the employee doesn't use the available PPE. That is called "lack of oversight" and amounts to neglecting your duty to make sure people work safely.
Never work for anyone who wants to pay you in "exposure" or "experience".
exposure and experience are not accepted currencies to pay your bills.
Or in creative markets like writing where they ask for money FROM YOU upfront and/or buy all the rights. Be choosy and take your time finding a publisher when you're ready to submit. Better to get a rejection than to lose money and the full rights to your story.
Good advice. Same goes for "give me this one cheap and I'll make it up to you later" - oddly I got that a lot from wealthy people.
@@mainely8007 Yeah, that is a huge red flag too.
@@mainely8007 That's why they have money.
When I think of modern day heroism, I think of people like Adam Savage. Pushing wisdom, a love for learning, being your genuine self, and being candid about the business aspects of living in our society. I really appreciate people like that
When I think of "modern day heroism", it didn't involve him.
Thought Adam was on his villain arc when I saw that title
Same here lmao
+1 lol
And I would support him still lol
Same lol
😂 SAME
I served four years on tanks. Tanks are loud. Machine guns are loud. The canons are loud. Everything was freakin' loud. I wore my hearing protection religiously. I turn 60 this year, and my hearing is great.
I'll always remember learning automotive body shop work and all the old guys mentioning how destroyed their hands were, not being able to move a finger or two, no feeling in some part and very rough dry, and damaged skin. Then those same people mocking me for wearing gloves any time I could while working. The weird stigmas on wearing PPE is wild sometimes.
Toxic masculinity around PPE, in my experience, worried they’ll be seen as “less of a man” if they wear gloves
It's hard for some people to see other people avoiding their mistakes.
Some people won't believe that you are a mechanic unless you have dirty and mangled hands.
Misery loves company.
Next time ask them how are their hands, feet, back ect. TREATING THEM TODAY?? Then whip out some moisturizer!
"It doesn't have to be suffering"
Reminds me of something I heard, I think from an adventure racer
"Pain is inevitable. Misery is optional."
I wake up and see two Adam videos. One I can’t watch unless I’m a paying member and the other says fuck you pay me.
Irony has a sense of humor.
🤣
Sounds like you need a lawyer
LOL
Who's that has the tattoo on his palm: "Pay up, sucka" I think he was a bike mechanic?
Great video. I have five rules I follow when freelancing:
1. As much clarity on the scope and terms of engagement up front, as is commercially viable - dont do two days of due diligence for a one day engagement. You're working two days for free that way.
2. A clear contract that documents this and creates a binding agreement
3. If it's the first time I've worked with them, talk to other people who have - my key question, is there anything I should watch out for - it's a polite way to give them latitude to share the negatives in a way they feel comfortable with
4. If it's a long term engagement, stop work if you stop getting paid, immediately. Be nice about this, but firm and unwavering
5. No second chances.
6. Payment triggers/draws/events throughout the project. I work on certain vintage equipment and often there is a troubleshooting, design, prototype, manufacturing, assembly. Each of those steps I like to get paid. It also keeps the client engaged to get a photo of the problem and a bill. Dont pay the bill project stalls. Now I design and 3D print a prototype of the broken component and validate it picture video bill. Pay me or do not pay me project stalls. This means when we get to the final assembly Im only really due a fraction of the project cost if they lose interest or steam in the project they can take it back. Recently I had this with a gear for a hit and miss engine we got the part 3d printed and installed and the thing "worked" the part can be reprinted if it breaks for pennies so for 500 he has a print file for an obsolete part and a nylon gear. To get that gear in metal is going to run him about another grand because it can be made by modification of an existing part. But he can always come back later and he liked being involved in the process. Now if he starts having someone else make the gear off my work and selling them online my contract requires a comission for each unit sold.
@@bryceg5709 and timeline triggers for if they are unresponsive or slow to provide key resources for you to uphold your end of the overall timeline
@@bryceg5709 One thing the company I work for is struggling with right now is convincing people to give us their credit card number. Like, yeah, your thing is fixed, just pay us and we'll ship it. But they don't.
Splitting it into bite sized chunks would be helpful for a lot of customers, I think.
One of the best things a professor ever told me back in art school, and that I also tell to prospective new creatives, is that if you’re in love with the product this field will chew you up and spit you out in very short order. You have to instead love the process. This is because 90% of what you’ll be doing day to day is going to be boring & tedious rather than something you’re likely to get excited about. If you love the process of creation, it goes a long way towards making the drudgery bearable & makes the few times you get to work on something legitimately cool even better. However, if it’s the product you love, and there is nothing wrong with that, you’re likely going to wind up at best like the kid in the story who just didn’t want to finish the project and was told his alternative was to go home. To these people I tend to suggest keeping art & creative pursuits as a hobby. Not because they aren’t talented, I’ve met plenty much more talented than I am, but because the last thing I want to see is the joy sucked out of it for them.
I think that's some of the best advice I've ever heard on the subject.
Very well put! All of my friends say I should be a professional gourmet chef. NOPE. I love my creations (and so do my friends) but in a pro kitchen I would quickly learn to hate cooking.
Formally studied fine art in my late teens (knew I could do it all, except painting - seriously painting - in oils. Had people try to convince me up until then, but never wanted to give it the time. And, it does take time, to do it seriously!), and studied Graphic Design in my 40s (not because I needed to, more to get them to knock the rough edges off what I'd already learned over the years).
Do I do either of those things as a job? Not on your life!
I found out, when working for a major newspaper in my twenties, when they discovered that I could design and draw - even though they had an in-house artist, who couldn't draw (she was what they used to call a ticketwriter, not a finished artist; someone who used Quik-Cut art books instead of a pen!) - other staff utilised my skills, even though I wasn't financially compensated for any of it.
I grew to hate picking up a pen, until many years later.
The Graphic Design is used purely for my own therapy ("It's called sanity maintenance, Tubbs."), for when I want to be precise and specific in my hobbies (logo creation, design materials for our film projects, etc.). And I also use CAD programs when I want to walk my mind through certain design processes, for my propmaking and modification processes.
If I did wish to despise these things, I'd do them for a living. Since I don't wish to, I keep them only for myself.
Love the process, not the product. I just wrote that on my mirror. That might just be what I've been missing with my leather business. Thank you so much!
Then again... why not love both?
Maybe it should be "love the process FIRST"
Nothing wrong with loving the product too, but we gotta love the process!
One of the best pieces of advice about grudges came from Bob Proctor: “Holding a grudge is like drinking poison and expecting the other person to die.” Although sometimes very difficult, forgiving others and forgiving yourself is very freeing and you acquire a very valuable thing: a peaceful and happy mind.
10:50 Hell yeah, "Learn what you can and cannot control and learn to be okay with that." Totally learning those lessons now.
The Serenity Prayer is my goto, I have like 5 of them around my house, one right by my front door, to remind me.
I very much agree with this in general. Injured people can quickly become _everybody's_ problem though, so I'm not sure it really applies to PPE.
@@OrigamiMarie as someone whose part of their job is literally HAZMAT and CS Rescue. I will say... That is virtually almost never the case.
There are examples that come to mind where you could actually injure someone else. Like an inebriated heavy machinery operator which could injure a worker working near or with said machinery.
Although that's not a PPE issue. Exactly how would you choosing not to wear PPE injure someone else? In chemical plants there is a potential of secondary contamination. If you are working with a very strong acid and don't decon properly you could end up contaminating first responders and hurting them.
You could put yourself in a position where rescue could injure another person. Like if you passed out in a room filled with dangerous gasses or maybe no air at all because you weren't wearing proper PPE it could be first responders or your coworkers at risk trying to save you.
Although all of these problems are less problems of PPE and ones of location/place. Being in a tanker with unsupported oxygen... Why are we doing such anyways? Normally in these serious incidents it is an issue of the lack of education prior to an incident. And that's normally a failure of the workplace in general. Like the lack of standardized testing of workspace air quality.
If you choose not to wear safety glasses and a blade breaks off into your eye who are you putting in danger? No one. You just went blind by being an idiot. That's all.
@@xPRODIGYxGAMER Depends what you mean by "danger" - if you mean risk, then yes, that last example would certainly put others at risk, unless you think that having an injured employee, or worse, a death on your hands, isn't a risk. For other employees, it means that you are at risk of additional restrictions, delays to your work, and/or being witness to a horrific injury or death. Safety is NOT optional, and acting like your choice to not adhere to safety guidelines (including PPE) doesn't affect others is reckless at best.
I have one quibble about PPE being mostly the wearer's problem. Even if it seems like it's only that person's safety on the line, stuff can go sideways for others real fast when one person is injured. The easiest example of this is seatbelts. If the driver isn't wearing one, it's absolutely the passenger's problem, because that driver doesn't have full control in tricky situations. But if a passenger isn't wearing a seatbelt, it's also the driver's and other passengers' problem, because that person is a potential projectile and distraction in case of bad circumstances.
People without PPE are crisis multipliers. They are everybody's problem.
I just want to give this a boost. This is too true. "Personal" protection is, truly, almost never exclusively personal.
@@Glamador it's a lot like community health. Personal health and public health are really closely intertwined.
The exact same idea as wearing Covid masks, just because you don't care if you get sick doesn't mean it won't affect anyone (or everyone) around you.
No thanks. I have plenty of my own business to mind. Give it a try.
The reasoning here is a slightly different one: as the driver you are responsible for the people in your car, so it is your duty to make sure they conform to the seatbelt rule. You're the one with the license, you know the rules. Same thing in the workplace: not only is the employer responsible for providing suitable PPE, they also need to train employees to use the stuff and need to regularly monitor compliance with safety rules.
Never clicked to watch so quickly
The videos usually drop in the middle of the night here in australia, so much joy !
Me neither.
Same😂
Same
He said it in the first 30 seconds of the video too, so this one has likely been demonetized
Same same.
I so appreciate how articulate you are without arrogance. But mostly, when you pause for thought, you don’t infill with um. You are so easy to listen to.❤
But he does.
It's like listening to a human. Uncanny. :D
Um at 1:46
Um gets a bad rep. Um indicates you intend to keep talking and helps avoid you getting cut off by someone who thinks you're done speaking.
@@splurg123 He’s alone talking to a camera. No one around to interrupt.
I'm a driving instructor and people used to mess me around with payments. I now have a booking system that fires off a contract for every new users. Not missed a payment since.
we have a system that X amount is due up front and the student must be fully paid prior to their last lesson
Good plan to use that booking system!
I learned to avoid working for wealthy people, they tended to obsess over their money and viewed paying me as a game they had to "win" by under-paying, slow paying or not paying.
@@mainely8007 i can tell you don't like rich people with how much you mention it
@@Astares9 i can tell that you’ve never worked for a rich person as a freelancer
@@Astares9 Rich people don't need you to get offended on their behalf, ESPECIALLY for free.
Regarding working with people who aren't good at their "job", but are wonderful to work with and make the team function better...... those people are absolutely essential. I'm a supervisor at a distribution center, and we have one employee that doesn't do a lot on paper but will make an entire team faster just by volunteering for unpleasant tasks.
Adam, my respect for you was already high, but hearing you talk about how you made sure the tattoo artist for your tattoo was fairly compensated for selling stick on tattoos of his work makes me respect you even more!
My uncle is an industrial electrician at a steel plant and he never wears PPE at home when working on anything. However, he says he does wear everything at work to protect himself from everyone else and what they might do.
Yup, 100% agree, don't trust your life to someone's mistake.
I used to be similar until I started to get into more dangerous conditions at home and started using the same PPE in both. It took a while getting used to putting on my boots and most the other stuff at home. The stuff I leave off at home isn't much now, and it annoys me, so I do a total danger assessment for each task so I can maximize the number of PPE things I can leave off at home, and never expect to leave off more than 25% of what I usually wear at work.
I have hearing loss due to Otosclerosis and have hearing aids ( 19 years this year ) , I'm still very cautious around loud noise and have modified ear muffs with microfibers to help when i need them in the workplace.
I'm always making sure others around me have hearing protection when required and i tell them when I'm about to make noise.
Hearing loss is especially important to me , my audiologist is my hero.
I have employees that will put on hard hats, gloves, eye protection, wear steal-toed boots, use proper lifting equipment, etc. But for some reason, hearing protection is the hardest thing to get any of them use consistently. They'd rather take the 115-120dB of a rotary hammer or grinder a foot from their head instead of putting some hearing protection on. I don't get it.
That sucks , I wish you the best
@@terpman those guy's must have the worst Tinnitus ( ringing in the ears ) . From memory it only take 45 minutes at 97 decibels to start hearing problems and Tinnitus.
Companies like Phonak make ear plugs that reduce sound but allow voices to be clear..
Hopefully one day you can get them to rethink their hearing protection.
@@paulreichelt1259 All industrial ear protection is designed to allow human speech to be heard.
It is part of various international regulations. Hearing someone warning you that you are about to die is a safety requirement
@@PaulG.x that is correct but the speach is not always clear.
About PPE: Here in Finland, it's taken extremely seriously, by law. I used to do a low-level gig job at construction sites. The drill was, either you wear your PPE, or you're out. You keep your helmet and eye protection and steelcap shoes and hearing protection on, or you don't need to come back the next day. No-one complained, and the amount of accidents has dropped like a stone since that law became in force.
To quote the Joker "If you are good at something. Never do it for free."
For the safety question, absolutely nag and throw a fit about safety until they do something about it, or quit and go work for people who do take it seriously. It takes less than a second for something to go just a bit wrong and you or a coworker are hurt or dead. Doesn't matter if it is a small hobby dremal or a multi thousand dollar end mill, if somethings wrong with it, refuse to use it until it is fixed or replaced. Never trust hydraulics to hold weight, never trust just a jack to hold weight. If two straps or chains are good three or four are better. You could have done something a million times and been fine, but that million and one time will get you.
If it involves a human and a machine, the machine wins 100% of the time, even if it is no longer usable after.
I was looking for this quote. 👍
"I apoligize, I'm about to curse"
Said in true Adam Savage fashion. Gotta love this wholesome guy :)
I love how Adam just wears the Nostromo shirt as casual wear. Load up a UK video, there he is, wearing it proudly.
i want that shirt 😀
Has been weathering it for a while and wearing it naturally gets what you want.
@@manxhu6610same; anyone happen to know where he got it? I assume he or a fan made it?
Dude, you just caused a huge spike in Mike Monteiro's video. Thanks for much for sending us there. His video contains the truth that so many of miss. Message received!
"If you're seeking revenge, dig two graves." ... dang.
... Because the other mook is gonna think he has a friend?
It's easier to avoid business with a stiff than it is to get paid by one.
yeah, that one kinda hit hard...
@@theprojectproject01 No, one for the person you seek revenge against and one for yourself because Vengeance is self destructive...
In other words, you kill your Soul when you go after someone for Revenge...and your Soul is what occupies that second grave...
yeah heard that one a few times before... its a good way to keep a level head when you get really annoyed with someone
Frank realism. I took a backseat when I could no longer deal as team lead due to circumstances I couldn't control. Now I have zero control or influence and I am mostly okay with that. Choose your battles. My physical issues (big C being paramount) are my battle of priority. Stress affects my conditions so my uncompromising ideals in the workplace are largely put on hold....indefinitely. My work matters much to me, but it doesn't make the list (these days) when it concerns my health. Adam speaks truth here which took me most of a lifetime to glean. He's one smart cookie.
"FU, PM" is one of the many pieces of wisdom my father passed on to me. If your skills are sufficient that someone else is expecting you to work for them, then you deserve to be compensated (and compensated appropriately) for the use of your time, your expertise, your experience, your tools and materials, and yes, even the time you spend thinking about that work.
Exactly what my dad taught me. You call me to fix your issue. I fix it in a hour and 15 min and I fix it right. Now you complain because you were told it would take 3 hours by another shop and it was cheaper. So why didn't you use the other shop? Oh because they didn't have good reviews and recommendations? Your paying for knowledge and expertise. Your paying for the right factory parts. I got it done quickly because I know a shortcut that doesn't require taking everything apart like the book says. If that's the issue your complaining about, I could have just told you I needed another part. Then left and went to a quick 30 minute repair down the street and sat around for an hour and came back for 10 minutes. Then tell you I'm done? Here's your bill, pay me. Next time they call give them a higher price.
We had a certain customer with a dozen neighbor "hood" convenance stores who would play games when it came time to pay the bill. Do the work and then he goes, Whad u gib cheeb, cheeb kaasa? I give you soda, some snacks. Gib me cheab, cheab kaasa priza. Dad would give the price $50 more, because he always did it. I would always go do the repairs because he knew me and thought I was his friend and would give him a cash discount.
Give me 90 items to spray paint, fine. First time I was in a wheelchair, I was only 13yo, I sat and sorted my seed beads by colour. I used to make beaded jewellery, had a Large tub of seed beads, couldn’t go anywhere as it was 1977 and very little was wheelchair accessible at the time, so I sorted my beads.
Adam is so right about lawyers. Having a lawyer, or at least having one help you write up contracts, is very underrated advice. Not managing AR properly will put you under real quick.
Thanks for the words of comfort, Adam. I worked a chemist job where every single person was ultra integrated into the company, my trainer left halfway into my training, the other guy in the lab gatekeeped his methods, and then wound up being an antagonist... they all despised me. I lost the job after eight months, but it's nice hearing how others cope and deal with these things. It kind of shattered me, as I'd never been "let go" before in my 35 years of life, so, again thank you, for talking about these things and giving your honest opinions. Much love to you, man, and the Tested team.
Safety should be overseen by management. I consider it a red flag and a management failure when management doesnt enforce proper safety practices.
I was watching a popular car customizing show series and noticed none of the guys were wearing hearing protection , that's not setting a good example for anyone watching.
@@paulreichelt1259 agreed. I've been building custom cars for over 20 years. I used to neglect PPE, especially hearing protection. I have no doubt I'll pay for that when I'm older.
@@HomebrewHorsepower You do... In my late 50's now. Never bothered with hearing protection while using loud tools. Went to a bunch of music shows with obscenely loud music. Listened to loud music through headphones. Now have tinnitus in both ears and significant hearing loss.
In a lot of cases, the sins of your youth truly do come back on you...
No one would wear much safety equipment in the shop I work at. I recall one day coming to find my boss in the shop (I work in the office) and noticed he was wearing safety glasses and a mask. I commented about it and he replied how he's the boss and he needs to set an example, and so even though he's only in the shop for a couple hours each day he makes sure he's wearing his equipment when he's in there.
After that I started seeing people wearing safety equipment more often.
I worked concrete construction pouring mausoleums. We would be 2-3 stories up on just 3 ft. wide planks yanking 8 foot steel forms. The safety was the boss once said to me "Careful not to fall off." A 300lbs. guy way stronger than me did. I got fired for giving him pictures of the site for his case. F you pay him.
When I was going through design school over a decade ago they made us read Mike’s book “Design is a Job” and it was so good and has had a measurable impact on my career as a designer. It gave me a confidence and strength that I didn’t think was possible. One of my biggest takeaways is that just like a client can fire you at any point, so can you also fire a client at any point. And I have, and it saved me immense pain and struggle.
I’ll be honest, I’d be chomping at the bit to do the spray painting job! If I got handed a bunch of parts and told “go spray paint these” I’d be like “you’re already trusting me with painting parts!! This is awesome!”
Then again, I’m a big fan of the tedium in the creative process - sanding, masking, and priming are really nice after spending a lot of creative energy on a project.
A lot of those tedious tasks are great for brainstorming and working over problems. I am a chemist, and though there are parts of the job I love, there are also things that just have to be done, like washing glassware. When I come across a problem that I just can't figure out, I'll go wash some glassware. It lets my brain chew on the problem while still having my hands be productive. (ADHD means my hands need to be occupied at all times, pretty much.)
You know I never thought about the long tedious parts of the process as being specifically restful for the creative part of my mind. That's a very novel and growth oriented way of looking at things that I think I'll carry with me now, thank you for that insight!
I had a young woman in my call center that could barely talk on the phone but she was a human sun beam. She just made everything and everyone near her better. We kept her for years. I tracked days she was off and she was good for an additional 20% from the rest of my team. Good value. Miss the heck out of her as a person honestly. If you find a person like that treasure them for their over all value not just personal performance
thats beautiful
On doing the drudgery: one of our new, young engineers complained a little about being assigned a mundane task (writing a test report, etc.)
"This isn't why i wanted to be a software engineer," he said
The team lead did don't with mentoring: "No, but it's why you're getting paid to be a software engineer."
It really is about putting in your time in the trenches and learning the job.
Forgive your self, very good words to hold on to. We don't always do that. Thanks for the encourging words of wisdom Adam.
Adam - I grew up watching you on Mythbusters. Seeing your vlogs now as an adult feels like an old family friend offering up wisdom and life experience in a chat. Thank you!
The spray paint job. I had a similar experience at a welding fabrication shop. I'm a certified welder and was hired to fabricate a weld utility truck beds. Maintenance trucks, lift beds, build and install custom dump beds etc. I get there day 1 and was told to change the oil in the clients' vehicles and do tire pressure. I took my toolbox with me when i went to lunch. About 30min after lunch was over the boss called me a telling me that lunch ended 30min ago and i was late. I said it was fine since I wasn't planning on coming back or if he had even noticed that my toolbox was missing.
Contracts. Yes. Lawyer. Yes! I’m 73 years old, and I made one of the biggest, most expensive mistakes of my life when I was 28. Going into a new business. I paid a good lawyer good money for good advice and then talked myself into ignoring him. It cost me years of my time and more money than I can ever really know. Don’t do what I did! 🙏❤️👍👍
To the people worried about getting made fun of for safety gear.. the trick is to own it and make it deliberate. Don't think of it as safety gear. Think of it as your look. Greg is the guy who's really into fishing. Tony wears flannel. And you always wear your safety gear. I also recommend adding a detail. Maybe a silly sticker or a logo from a video game you like. The point is that you're adding deliberateness. I promise it changes the entire dynamic. You go from someone who wears their safety gear because they feel pressured by the rules. Which is what they exploit to make fun of.. and you turn into somebody who chooses to wear their safety gear because it's what they want. That's a lot harder to make fun of. Not that what they think matters but if you're worried about it then it does matter. Just own it and make it yours.
Andy Anderson (the skateboarder who totally ROCKS a helmet) comes to mind
That video changed my life like 15 years ago and I'll be forever grateful to Mike for making it. He's truly one of the real ones.
I took the title personally when I saw the notification
I have rejection sensitivity dysphoria, too
Facts 😂
Especially as a paying member 😂
Sounds like a guilty conscience. 😂
Lol
The ILM story resonates with me. I run a small youth theatre and am trying to build a tech program. The kids come in excited to build sets and then find out todays job is to cut fifty of the same piece and then paint them black etc, and you can see them deflate. It's hard to explain that the end looks cool, but it is lots of boring repetitive steps in between. I used to work professionally in Tv lighting and we said a similar thing to you, every tenth gig will be something cool, but in between it's just work.
Instantly came over with that title, lol
It came up in my feed pretty quick... I guess the algorithm works sometimes.
@@Ron-d2s honestly thought for a sec there would be drama lol
As someone who has a side gig, I have been preaching the Mike Montero video for years! The very first time I encountered a sleazeball trying to tell me, to my face, how little my effort and time was worth, I told him he was not allowed to speak to me, or anyone else, like that ever again. Some people have literally never been told 'no' and that their behavior is not ok. It's hard to do so in a professional manner, but you have to, up front, so that the message is clear. The same guy came crawling back 2 years later for a different item I was selling and my only response then was: "I do desire we be better strangers." You have to stick up for yourself and know your worth- you don't need to explain the why to some people, but you do have to tell them to check their tone and expectations. They can think whatever they want, but when they show no respect for you, you gotta let them have it, so to speak.
Brilliant comeback!
We need more discussions about group shop safety/wellness. Everyone knows that many tools prone to kickback pose a hazard to people other than the operator, but even personal injuries can have a profound effect on other people. Responding to a serious injury of a friend or coworker is traumatic and we owe it to ourselves and others to keep everyone safe. I don't want any of y'all losing digits, breathing toxic stuff, or going deaf.
YES! Can't agree more! A good lawyer and a good accountant will make you FAR more than they ever cost you, and save you SOOOOOO much time and hassle!
I discovered a neat trick to get very large companies (who have in-house lawyers and who tend to pay very late because what are you going to do, sue them for paying at 65 days rather than 30?) to pay on time. My contract offers them a 10% discount for paying in under 30 days (and my rate factors this in, of course). In my experience, big company AP departments jump right on that!
Great idea!
Mike’s video is amazing and should be seen by everyone who works freelance, and should also be seen by those who hire freelancers.
As the saying goes: if you think a lawyer is expensive, try not having one.
Man, the Forgive Yourself part got me. I realized so many of the issues I have had at work in the past stemmed from not forgiving myself for mistakes, large or small, and then making sure nobody else forgave me for them either. Yeah, don't do that.
There is so much that needs to be said about safety in regards to what other people are using.
People don't seem to realize it very often, but different shops set up a "culture" of safety awareness that all employees are compelled to follow. When you have people walking around the shop without certain pieces of safety gear, then others show up to a new workplace and they follow the example they see. Joining a new crew/shop is weird and uncomfortable enough as it is, learning a new trade or the nuances of a new position is uncomfortable enough, no one wants to add to the situation by being the one weirdo that is wearing all the safety equipment. The example you set will establish a culture of what safety protocols people follow.
When I was a youth and heard of accidents where people weren't wearing their equipment, it just sounded absurd to me. But now having worked in different places I completely get it. When you come into a place and certain safety equipment/protocols aren't being used, you just figure it's one of those things that doesn't really matter and isn't that dangerous.
i have worked in places (inside & outside of art fields) where people who were only barely competent, but kept their jobs & had job security that didn't make sense to outsiders. the reason? yes, a delight to work with, but also? that drudge work you mentioned? they were the first to offer to do it, did it to at least the minimum standards without complaint & sorta liked doing it or actually really enjoyed it. they were basically cheerful drudge experts. that is a level of invaluable that's rare.
"We are all weird". True, true, true.
I clicked this video out of curiosity and man, I was not expecting to hear some powerful statements about slogging through the drudgery and forgiveness, for others and yourself.
Thanks for some great insights, Adam!
Man, this dude is the real deal.
If ever I have to make a thank you speech, I'm telling ya, Adam is gonna be in there somewhere.
One year I filed 28000 dollars in liens for one person with 14 invoices with 1600 in filing fees. little to say one sheriff's sale started, but was ended quickly, and we had reporters there.
Adam Savage, you are such a gem to the whole community of creators and makers :)
I like your viewpoint on this. Paying dues, and creating a good work environment are both fundamental, and great examples of how taking care of other people is the best way to take care of yourself.
I have never been rattled by anyone ridiculing me over PPE, if you want to get hurt go ahead, personally I'll take the precautions. Great video Adam,👍
I watched that video when I first started out around 10 years ago and it's stuck with me forever. It's absolutely a gem of the internet. 1000%.
"it may not be your circus or your monkey" whee, that one I hadn't heard yet, brilliant! 😆
Just went back & re-watched the FYPM talk, which i first saw years ago - it's why I followed Mike on DeadBird when I was there - and it really is just as relevant as ever. Thanks for the reminder!
"We are, ALL OF US, weird." - Adam Savage. So true.
Completely relate to the worker issue. I do survey work and they shipped me a new assistant. He refused to put a hub in the ground because I was standing in an inch of water. Told me he’d been misled, he was supposed to be learning how to be a survey party chief (my job). I finished the work by myself, then we spoke about it.
Explained that I spend years learning how to do my job, and half of it was making sure his part of the job was being performed correctly. If he refused to do his job as my assistant he could go home. And we were done.
I did ask him what he thought being a survey party chief looked like, because I was splattered in mud from head to toe, and some days are like that. What a waste of my time, some people just don’t get it.
That went super deep, and I'm here for it.
Gosh, I just love listening to you talk about professional values, they resonate incredibly with me. Wife and I have a beauty manufacturing , wholesale and retail company (starting its 8th year in business) and I think a lot about how to grow and maintain an equitable, enriching work environment, (though we only have 2 employees at the moment). I consume a lot of content about professional horror stories that hit me on a personal level, that I never want to inflict toxicity upon another citizen let alone a team member. I think there's a right and equitable way to run a successful business that would seem so foreign in today's job market.
(By the way, I'm en ex Discovery employee, and Loved watching you guys in the early 2000s. Been a fan of this channel for a while as well)
Wow this is the esrliest Ive ever been on a video, nr 3!
Taking my chance to say, adam your one of the few idols i've ever had in my life, seeing you on mythbusters when inwas a kid and now on youtube has inspired me into the path im currently on in life, trying to build up a business im passionate about!
I just wanted to thank you and show my appreciation for everything you've done for me and probably hundreds of thousands of other kids!
Truly shows how much better this world is with you Adam. Thank you for touching some real topics that are so important about our society.
Mainly the value of harmony in a work place, and how to properly approach someone new in a work place. Two things that seem to be heavy mismanaged
Here! You happy, Adam?!
Ha! Thanks
As an employer, I've always felt like if someone has a bad attitude, but is exceptional at their job, they can still be an asset. If someone has a great attitude but isn't great at their job, they can still be an asset. But someone with a bad attitude that doesn't care about their work is not worth my time.
Being mocked for wearing safety gear is the same as being mocked for wearing a mask. You can't be responsible for others, only yourself. You shouldn't let something, especially like that, peer pressure you to stop.
I used to watch Mike's video every 6 months when I did freelance work. Such a great bit of content.
I remember trying to recoup wages from when I worked for Thingergy in 2019. Lesson to the new kids; get *everything* in writing. Your boss is *not* your friend. Luckily the CA Labor Department saw through my ex-employer's BS and I got my compensation.
EDIT: And don't eve gen me started on dealing with the wink and a nod to the OSHA poster in the shop, as employees had to climb the forklift to get stuff off shelving, and there was a distinct lack of proper PPE training and enforcement.
The most disappointing thing is, there are still people working for Frank that know his shop is like this.
I learnt the hard way to never give up a project until I have money in hand…. and for commissions I want 1/2 up front (say I’m working a water colour that’s $1 a sq inch… so for a two foot by two foot I want $288 up front). Being burnt three times was enough. Also; sorry to say, never trust friends or family either. This is what I get paid to do (can’t pay rent or bills with dust bunnies), so I implore people with those rules to not waste my time.
A great video Adam!!
Pareto principle variation: 80% of the work is not fun. 20% is glorious. Regardless of the job! Another great video Adam, thank you!
I'd say you're overestimating the "glorious" in most jobs.
"glorious" is not applicable unless your job is being Conan the Barbarian
80% of the work is not fun...
19% of the work is soul crushingly not fun...
0.9% of the work makes jumping in an active volcano seem attractive...
0.1% of the work is fulfilling...
If you can't subsist on the 0.1%, find something else to do.
Thank you Adam. I wish I could have watched your videos 40 years ago. Sharing your wisdom with stories and context in a very articulate way, is a great gift to the world and I hope many young ones will benefit from it. Saving them from wasting their time, learning everything the hard way.
I started faxing my late payment notices on black paper with white letters to intentionally eat up their ink cartridges. Yes, this was the 90s when faxing a bill was common. Not sure it actually worked, but it made me feel better.
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The story about the new guy at ILM hit home with me - HARD. I went to work for a convention display designer (and builder) in my early twenties and I guarantee the first jobs I was given were awful - with a capital AWGH!!!. I was the dogsbody in that shop for weeks and was slowly given a chance at better aspects of the various tasks. You have to pay your dues and they don't necessarily come cheap. Thanks!
The parts about assessing new team members is very relevant for other industries and I will be taking several of the ideas to my workplace.
It's funny how people act when it's time to pay you opposed to when it's time to pay them. I closed my business and severed many 'friendships' because of that.
Being able to instill knowledge of this capacity freely speaks highly of your passion for creation and creators. Loved the point on forgiving. Sometimes it's not for the other person, but for your well-being. Holding on to resentments is like keeping watch over a prison full of empty cells. Respect! 👊
My 1st toughts was Adam is been made and became a Goodfella.
HOW DID I KNOW that you'd be friends with Mike Monteiro. I own multiple books of his and consider him a role model. Started my freelance business a decade ago and never would have made it without his talks and writings. He's the best.
When I was a supervisor, I had a worker tell me she bored doing her assigned job, I told her it's called work time not fun time. Prove to me you can do this job and we will train you to do something new in the future.
I was a printer on the city street for 20 years. We had breakfast all the shop owners and managers every few months and the absolute ONE THING we all agreed about was when you hear the words "put you on the map do 3 things, 1. raise the estimate 20%, 2. NO CHECKS, Cash, 3. AT DELIVERY or PICKUP.
I was working on a job where we accidentally created ruts in someone's lawn. A few of us including a new hire went to go repair the lawn with some soil and manure. New guy said 'I didn't get a masters degree to shovel shit'. All four or five of us had MS degrees. He didn't last long after that day.
Not that I don't believe you... But what kind of job is it where the majority of you have MS degrees, and the work creates ruts in someone's lawn?
I don’t understand the mental gymnastics some people can do to justify years of hard work on getting their education, but then the moment they receive the diploma they’re suddenly too good for hard work.
My response would be:
Did you get a masters degree to cut ruts in someone's lawn that they didn't ask for? No? Well then it sounds to me like you DID get a masters degree in lawn repair! It's that or you got a masters degree in looking for a job; make up your mind.
@@Natediggetydog There's a lot of mental gymnastics going on out there now days... My personal favorite of late is all the older generation (not to pick on Baby Boomer's, but here's looking at you folks) that are calling for more support/participation in the trades, less emphasis on a college education. When back when they or their kids were young, they (at least the college educated ones) looked down on people in the trades and pushed their kids to go to college because working a trade job was beneath them. Compounding this, found it distasteful when their child brought home a girl or guy that was not a college graduate...
@@marscaleb Yes, and all had degrees in geology or mine engineering - mostly a group of people who aren't shy about wielding hammers, picks and shovels.
I went and watched Mike's video before I was even done with this one. As a designer that was some pretty powerful advice. I saved it into my watch later as, no doubt, it will come in handy again eventually.
Never clicked so fast!
Right?
I am not even involved in physically building things, and I am not even a freelancer. But your talks are a part of my regular routine now. It's like a daily sermon for me!
I was a PA at ILM in 1987, and the best piece of advice that was ever givien to me to this day is "You can be the best at what you do, but at the end of the day if you are an asshole noone will want to work with you." Adam summaraizes that here perfectly.
I know exactly what he's talking about with someone who isn't great at the job, but the make the job better.
When I first started my job as a machinist, one of my coworkers, a middle-aged drunkard named Jimmy, was pretty terrible at it - made a lot of mistakes, took repeated efforts to show him things he should have already knew, etc. He had been there about 2 years at that point, and early on, I couldn't figure out why they kept him. But working with him, I completely understood - the dude was hilarious. He was always in a good mood, got along with everyone, making everyone laugh, made everyone feel smart, didn't get frustrated or irritated... just a generally cool person to work with. Dumb as a box of sand, but he was a class clown and made the job more pleasant. After he did finally get fired for missing too much work, the work environment suffered. Everyone's morale suffered. That's why sometimes it's best to keep the halfwits around lol
The words of my college sclpture teacher are ringing in my ears. The first thing he tells new students is "You're going to get dirty. So, if you nails are important to you, this may not be the class for you."
Yes, workplaces aren't ALWAYS going to be fun and pleasant, but the END product will be great.
Job site safety and PPE......Yeah, I have a friend who is originally from Italy and they didn't do PPE over there. They got MEGA SICK for a long time from not doing the proper safety.
very nice video Adam, you have a unique ability to make issues like this very relatable, and showing your viewers that you are just a regular human being like the rest of us, is a breath of fresh air. I have been through all that crap in my life, and survived and learned from it all. nice to see someone helping this generation find their way.
"Quit taking it personally. Learn what you can and can't control, and be ok with that. Forgive each other and most importantly, frankly, forgive yourself."
That is some great advice for dealing with life in general.