In Caesar's Galllic Wars he said that during one battle, the Nervii would either pull out or catch the pila thrown at them, and throw them back at the Romans.
Hey I will say this, I love all your videos and your archery abilities are well beyond my 65 pound draw weight limit but I specialize in spear throwing and I suggest looking up how to do proper form and even then they won’t usually mention that you are creating force via twisting your torso and hips while keeping your head and legs facing the intended target as you throw, and also make a L with your off hand and aim with the corner of the L then pull your hand away mid throw and keep your eyes on that point. I know it’s a lot but I hope this helps you out.
This looks like so much fun, I wish I could try. I was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis recently and my condition degraded really fast, not sure I could manage. I can still do very very low poundage bows and rifles, and even that is pushing it during bad weeks. Still, it's always fun watching you do it !
You can make blunts, throw at softer targets. You can attach fishing lines, then, reel them back. Shoot one arrow at a time, run to/from the target, at least 100 arrows a day for cardio archery...
Yes anything can have lots of cardio but the reality is most people don’t do that with archery sports. You can make golf the most cardio sport ever by running in circles for example 😊
Yeah, with javelins, they just awaken something primal or childlike that entices you to run towards your stick, just like a dog. It's just an uninterrupted cycle of high-power movements over and over again. Bow and arrows interrupts that a bit because retrieving and nocking an arrowv requires you to slow down a bit
@@aoe2_elo037not really. Among the primates, only humans seem to have the necessary biomechanics for effective throwing. They've actually done studies on letting chimps throw stuff, including spears, but they were pretty aweful. They do seem to use spears naturally tho, but it might be more accurate to call them clubs.
This is awesome dude, wow. I have mostly Scottish ancestry, but this is really cool, I’d still love to have a few. Hope to see you teach with a greatsword one day!
There were a fair number of javelins used in Ming China in the 16th century. Qi Jiguang included javelins in his famous formations like the Mandarin Duck. The Great Ming Military blog also describes how the Chi Jiao Bing threw spears.
@@HistoricalWeapons Javelins weren't very common in European warfare in the 16th century (when Qi Jiguang wrote). Irish soldiers still used their famous darts. Beyond that & a modest number of depictions in art, I'm not aware of much evidence for javelins in Europe during that period. A couple 16th-century military writers made a passing suggestion to arm certain soldiers with javelins or with spears (half-pikes) that they could throw, but this doesn't appear to have been a widespread practice. Javelins may actually have been more common in China than in Europe in that era. Qi's treatment of the javelin is certainly more detailed than anything that shows up in any 16th-century European military treatise that I'm aware of.
Do you think tapering or barrelling the shafts like arrows would improve accuracy? I’ve been really interested in the idea that historical javelins actually had complex profile tapers like swords and arrows, for the sake of accuracy and penetration. Sadly that area of research is wholly neglected since the shafts rot away and nobody seems to want to study it.
"If you should like to try a variety of drills and pastimes, there are certain sports that one can take up out of doors, if that is thought more diverting. For one thing, you may have a pole prepared, somewhat heavier than a spear shaft, and put up a mark some distance away for a target; with these you can determine how far and how accurately you can throw a spear and do it effectively. It is also counted rare sport and pastime to take one’s bow and go with other men to practice archery. Another pleasant and useful diversion is to practice throwing with a sling both for distance and for accuracy, and with a staff sling, as well as with a hand sling, and to practice throwing stone missiles. Formerly the custom was for all who wished to become expert in such arts and thoroughly proficient in war and chivalry to train both hands alike to the use of weapons. Strive after the same skill, if you find yourself gifted for it, inasmuch as those who are trained in that way are the most perfect in these activities and the most dangerous to their enemies." - Kings Mirror of Norway
You can Fight in one Hand with Shild , Buckeler , Tomahowk , Sax , Falcata use the Javelin like a Walking Stick in this Way suddenly Hunting is possiple !!! Sorry for my bad Englisch ! Nice Greetings from Germany Husky Andy
I love the historical javelin, youtubers are all about the olympic javelin only. The only point I will make is, take time to static and one step throwing before running up throws, it improves your accuracy and speed, because the body will naturally adjust to running if the throwing reflex becomes embedded. Otherwise you will build bad habits, have a higher risk of injury and becomes frustrated at your accuracy. And all that makes harder to unlearn and do the right way.
I should run and throw more often but I've thrown spears for years I almost only need to take a step and throw and developed strong muscles from construction so I can throw a decent distance
I’m tryna snipe mfs with a silent long bow, I don’t know how confident I would be with throwing one of these but I’ll definitely make a few. I’m out here in Florida building an Earthship
Try looking at Olympic Javelin throwers with the current Javelin they have to use not the older Javelin pre 1986, they had to change the design of the tool in 1986 for Distance by going back 10 cm or 4 inches in center of weight, they do a Big Arch to get the distance. That or the older Javelin the Olympics and precursor to IAAF now World Athletics used pre 1912 when it was an actual unsharpened Javelin was used for the sport in the first 3 Olympics.
"this can penetrate chainmail" It may penetrate historically inaccurate modern costume mail but in the periods when mail was worn as a primary defense, the ring size, density, and strength of the rivets will stop javelins most of the time. Mail was the most popular armor used in Europe from the Roman-era up until the late middle ages and during these periods the primary threats were spears, javelins, and arrows. The Romans were neither stupid, nor lacking in alternatives, and if mail could be penetrated simply by making narrower javelin/arrowheads then a different armor type would have been used. Mails' effectiveness against piercing weapons is backed up by both historical descriptions of mail performance, and by modern testing that showed properly made mail was able to stop a lance charge from horseback from achieving a penetration. Modern enthusiasts often fall into the trap of thinking thinner head = mail penetration but this isn't based on historical evidence. Take for example bodkin arrows; there has only been a single historical find of a hardened bodkin head while hardened broadheads are relatively common and were specifically referred to in inventory records. Hence broadheads are more likely for used against armored troops while bodkins were probably for long distances. The narrow head design on these javelins, much like those on pila, was probably for wood penetration rather than mail. Javelins, much like bows, were primarily a weapon for harassment and disruption of infantry lines. While they could be devasting when used on the flanks against lightly protected troops (such as against the Gaesatae at the Battle of Telamon), there is a lack of evidence to support them directly causing a large number of casualties in most battles. Sticking in the shield and injuring arms/legs would have been their more likely purpose.
Thanks for your information. We do need more testing. I mentioned penetrate chainmail I didn’t say penetrate and cause casualties. I also will add that butted mail was also used and chainmail without gambeson is also used. Using javelins and bows as primary killing weapons is quite common in Neolithic times, but even during recorded history non-skirmishing ranged weapons were used, depending on the period and location on earth (not the finishing blow while they are lying down). While most weapons are less lethal against shielded infantry in Europe 2000 years ago, it really depends on the situation and the quality of the shields. And arrows have been proven to penetrate all non-plate armor including rivited chainmail with gamebeson with lethal penetration (with lockdown longbow)
Thanks man no I’m not good with dieting I always binge after, I cannot do keto as I am addicted to fast food, but excercise and not driving helped significantly
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Dang! You threw that one so fast it broke the sound barrier!
Lol no it’s the gun range
In Caesar's Galllic Wars he said that during one battle, the Nervii would either pull out or catch the pila thrown at them, and throw them back at the Romans.
The fact that he wrote that means he is impressed enough to write it. In other words, not common
@@dsasd778 Very noteworthy indeed. Caesar said that the Nervii are the bravest and most warlike of the Gauls.
its not that unlikely when we consider that pila are very heavy and therefore quite slow in midflight. Doable by young lads with good reactions.
Hey I will say this, I love all your videos and your archery abilities are well beyond my 65 pound draw weight limit but I specialize in spear throwing and I suggest looking up how to do proper form and even then they won’t usually mention that you are creating force via twisting your torso and hips while keeping your head and legs facing the intended target as you throw, and also make a L with your off hand and aim with the corner of the L then pull your hand away mid throw and keep your eyes on that point. I know it’s a lot but I hope this helps you out.
You definitely lost weight from 3 years ago
This looks like so much fun, I wish I could try. I was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis recently and my condition degraded really fast, not sure I could manage. I can still do very very low poundage bows and rifles, and even that is pushing it during bad weeks.
Still, it's always fun watching you do it !
Im sorry about that it must be very difficult, I hope the best for you!
try blowguns and airguns, they are the least physically demanding ranged weapons. Rubber-slingshots and handcrossbows might work too. Good luck!
@@Scout887 yes these are great suggestions and even the sling can be used while sitting
@Scout887 careful with blowguns if in Canada. Prohibited weapons! (Lmao that a pipe used with a bamboo skewer is illegal here)
@@JMac1778 thanks I remember
This guy used to hitchhike across 50 countries and vlogged it
Here’s my old channel
You can make blunts, throw at softer targets. You can attach fishing lines, then, reel them back. Shoot one arrow at a time, run to/from the target, at least 100 arrows a day for cardio archery...
Yes anything can have lots of cardio but the reality is most people don’t do that with archery sports. You can make golf the most cardio sport ever by running in circles for example 😊
Let’s play running golf, rules is cannot stand still
Yeah, with javelins, they just awaken something primal or childlike that entices you to run towards your stick, just like a dog. It's just an uninterrupted cycle of high-power movements over and over again. Bow and arrows interrupts that a bit because retrieving and nocking an arrowv requires you to slow down a bit
@@MarcRitzMD not to mention finding arrows
You should see if you can use a snow marker as a javelin or dart.
So Canadian
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They make decent atlatl darts.
Everybody's ancestors threw javelins at one time or another.
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Did apes throw javelins
@@aoe2_elo037not really. Among the primates, only humans seem to have the necessary biomechanics for effective throwing. They've actually done studies on letting chimps throw stuff, including spears, but they were pretty aweful. They do seem to use spears naturally tho, but it might be more accurate to call them clubs.
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Keep up the good work! How far do you recon you can throw one of those effectively? It looks fun!
Effectively to be lethal like 15 yards lol
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This is awesome dude, wow. I have mostly Scottish ancestry, but this is really cool, I’d still love to have a few. Hope to see you teach with a greatsword one day!
Listen to the man! Stop simping
There were a fair number of javelins used in Ming China in the 16th century. Qi Jiguang included javelins in his famous formations like the Mandarin Duck. The Great Ming Military blog also describes how the Chi Jiao Bing threw spears.
Yes they were mentioned in china and there’s even artwork from China depicting javelinmen.
@@HistoricalWeapons Javelins weren't very common in European warfare in the 16th century (when Qi Jiguang wrote). Irish soldiers still used their famous darts. Beyond that & a modest number of depictions in art, I'm not aware of much evidence for javelins in Europe during that period. A couple 16th-century military writers made a passing suggestion to arm certain soldiers with javelins or with spears (half-pikes) that they could throw, but this doesn't appear to have been a widespread practice. Javelins may actually have been more common in China than in Europe in that era. Qi's treatment of the javelin is certainly more detailed than anything that shows up in any 16th-century European military treatise that I'm aware of.
@@b.h.abbott-motley2427 yeah 16th century most people using guns already in Europe .
@@b.h.abbott-motley2427 even the famous Iberian’s with javelins
awesome video!!!
Do you think tapering or barrelling the shafts like arrows would improve accuracy?
I’ve been really interested in the idea that historical javelins actually had complex profile tapers like swords and arrows, for the sake of accuracy and penetration.
Sadly that area of research is wholly neglected since the shafts rot away and nobody seems to want to study it.
I dunno but I think accuracy is less important because most of the vitals are covered by shield, so power and stuck in wood is more important
Qi Jiguang's manual does include this about javelins: "The front is slightly thicker, and the rear is slightly thinner."
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Do you think the Vikings fell on their ass like that?? Lol 😉
He didn’t say his technique is historical he said he is using Viking style javelins.
@@siberiaacoustic im just teasing
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"If you should like to try a variety of drills and pastimes, there are certain sports that one can take up out of doors, if that is thought more diverting. For one thing, you may have a pole prepared, somewhat heavier than a spear shaft, and put up a mark some distance away for a target; with these you can determine how far and how accurately you can throw a spear and do it effectively. It is also counted rare sport and pastime to take one’s bow and go with other men to practice archery. Another pleasant and useful diversion is to practice throwing with a sling both for distance and for accuracy, and with a staff sling, as well as with a hand sling, and to practice throwing stone missiles. Formerly the custom was for all who wished to become expert in such arts and thoroughly proficient in war and chivalry to train both hands alike to the use of weapons. Strive after the same skill, if you find yourself gifted for it, inasmuch as those who are trained in that way are the most perfect in these activities and the most dangerous to their enemies." - Kings Mirror of Norway
Awesome quote thanks! What time period
@@HistoricalWeapons Circa ~1250 C.E
I've been spending time shooting bows from my bicycle . I have a 300 m range in a forest with different targets . Might try javelins!
We need to create target javelin throwing clubs, until it gets to the olympic
Love your videos the passion for your work reflects through your videos and they are very informative and enjoyable.
Keep up the good work ❤❤
You can Fight in one Hand with Shild , Buckeler , Tomahowk , Sax , Falcata use the Javelin like a Walking Stick in this Way suddenly Hunting is possiple !!! Sorry for my bad Englisch ! Nice Greetings from Germany Husky Andy
i love to go to the river and sling stones. it’s therapeutic to release pent up energy
Wow, gunpowder-charged javelins😮
no thats the gun range im at
Could you try celtic and ancient greek style javelins?
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I love the historical javelin, youtubers are all about the olympic javelin only. The only point I will make is, take time to static and one step throwing before running up throws, it improves your accuracy and speed, because the body will naturally adjust to running if the throwing reflex becomes embedded. Otherwise you will build bad habits, have a higher risk of injury and becomes frustrated at your accuracy. And all that makes harder to unlearn and do the right way.
Big thing is all the woods making for shorter ranges.
And Jesus Christ man you’ve gotten way stronger lol, the ricochet sounds like a gun shot.
its the gun range im at
I don't think I've seen a video from you on the atlatl yet.
When?!
where do I get one the thrower?
@HistoricalArchery easy to make, but don't know of anyone selling them in Canada
Man please get back to hitch hiking please
I can’t man i lost interest in that channel it only got a few thousands subscribers and got stuck
Nah man, get into hunting and Motorcycles
@@HistoricalWeapons Wait is that why your reddit name is hitchtube or something like that? Got any stories to tell of dodgy people picking you up?
@@camelcaseeyeah this is my old channel
@@HistoricalWeapons travel is really big nowdays doe but i understand. I thought you was doing it for the love of traveling
a lot of historical Javelins were very narrow and they had fletching just like an arrow too
I should run and throw more often but I've thrown spears for years I almost only need to take a step and throw and developed strong muscles from construction so I can throw a decent distance
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do you have any plans on shooting and testing some bolts from the 240lb draw-weight song dynasty crossbow?
I would eventually man I’m busy
@@HistoricalWeapons thank you so much Jack :)
Nice 🙂😎👍
Yes
I’m tryna snipe mfs with a silent long bow, I don’t know how confident I would be with throwing one of these but I’ll definitely make a few.
I’m out here in Florida building an Earthship
will broken off spear heads make good daggers or throwing knives?
i dunno im not a throwing experyt
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Try looking at Olympic Javelin throwers with the current Javelin they have to use not the older Javelin pre 1986, they had to change the design of the tool in 1986 for Distance by going back 10 cm or 4 inches in center of weight, they do a Big Arch to get the distance. That or the older Javelin the Olympics and precursor to IAAF now World Athletics used pre 1912 when it was an actual unsharpened Javelin was used for the sport in the first 3 Olympics.
"this can penetrate chainmail"
It may penetrate historically inaccurate modern costume mail but in the periods when mail was worn as a primary defense, the ring size, density, and strength of the rivets will stop javelins most of the time. Mail was the most popular armor used in Europe from the Roman-era up until the late middle ages and during these periods the primary threats were spears, javelins, and arrows. The Romans were neither stupid, nor lacking in alternatives, and if mail could be penetrated simply by making narrower javelin/arrowheads then a different armor type would have been used. Mails' effectiveness against piercing weapons is backed up by both historical descriptions of mail performance, and by modern testing that showed properly made mail was able to stop a lance charge from horseback from achieving a penetration.
Modern enthusiasts often fall into the trap of thinking thinner head = mail penetration but this isn't based on historical evidence. Take for example bodkin arrows; there has only been a single historical find of a hardened bodkin head while hardened broadheads are relatively common and were specifically referred to in inventory records. Hence broadheads are more likely for used against armored troops while bodkins were probably for long distances. The narrow head design on these javelins, much like those on pila, was probably for wood penetration rather than mail. Javelins, much like bows, were primarily a weapon for harassment and disruption of infantry lines. While they could be devasting when used on the flanks against lightly protected troops (such as against the Gaesatae at the Battle of Telamon), there is a lack of evidence to support them directly causing a large number of casualties in most battles. Sticking in the shield and injuring arms/legs would have been their more likely purpose.
Thanks for your information. We do need more testing. I mentioned penetrate chainmail I didn’t say penetrate and cause casualties. I also will add that butted mail was also used and chainmail without gambeson is also used. Using javelins and bows as primary killing weapons is quite common in Neolithic times, but even during recorded history non-skirmishing ranged weapons were used, depending on the period and location on earth (not the finishing blow while they are lying down). While most weapons are less lethal against shielded infantry in Europe 2000 years ago, it really depends on the situation and the quality of the shields. And arrows have been proven to penetrate all non-plate armor including rivited chainmail with gamebeson with lethal penetration (with lockdown longbow)
How lethal the javelin is going to be against historical mail is difficult to say and is quite a test for data testing
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I can tell you're already looking thinner! Have you tried keto to max results? Good way to connect to the past as well
Thanks man no I’m not good with dieting I always binge after, I cannot do keto as I am addicted to fast food, but excercise and not driving helped significantly
Great video thank you!
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