nVME boot on a legacy x58 BIOS, no USB stick.
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- SATA+NVME controller can be found here: amzn.to/2WQRjw3
SATA M.2 to USB adapter here: amzn.to/3f6DFv8
Instructions on how to make the SATA boot drive USB can be found here: winraid.level1...
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I've heard of a bootloader "Clover" that can be set to boot from SATA and then runs a EFI code that will boot the OS from an NVME drive, basically skipping the incompatibility issues that occur with older legacy-only motherboards.
Seems promising.
This is based off of clover. In fact you can modify the EFI partition yourself and change it to the clover bootloader screen and customize it how you like.
@Happy Corona-virus No. I added Duet/Refind to a sata drive, which then boots the nVME.
@Happy Corona-virus You can use a SATA DOM or a USB DOM as well. USB DOM might be the cheapest path, you can get an 8 gig USB DOM for around $20 if you don't mind waiting on China delivery.
x58 Motherboards have PCIe 2.0, which is 500MB/s per lane, so times 4, at most you'd get would be 2GB/s through that adapter (minus any protocol overhead, and bandwidth sharing that may be occurring with other devices such as your graphics card if sharing the same set of lanes). The advertised speeds are probably through PCIe 3.0 (which is 1GB/s per lane) and thus 4GB/s max.
Thanks for being the 20th person to repeat that.
@@phreakwars You're welcome 😅
I have an old EVGA X58 board with two x16 PCI-E slots.
Still better than a mechanical rust spinner.
Great Job!😁 Goes to show one doesn't need the latest gen for everything. Out of over 10 computers, my best is still Haswell-E, a Z97 build with onboard NVMe, but figured I'd install this same way with an included fan. As these drives can get very hot underneath a double slot GPU, which anything decent is these days. In fact, was the 1st MB to feature a PCIe 3.0 x4 & a 2nd M.2 slot that'll run (I believe) 10Gbps or x2 lane NVMe. Manual or online says nothing about SATA M.2. I do recall seeing some x2 M.2 slots for AMD 970 MB's, but articles led me to believe this was for faster than SATA storage. These drives weren't that popular to begin with & some of the larger brands didn't manufacture them (less popular than mSATA is bad).🤣
I've done this too on AMD AM3+ (FX series), AM3 (Phenom & Athlon) & one AM2+ off the shelf HP Compaq system. These were PCIe 2.0 systems, and why 1500MB/sec is top speed, most will get that on reads, lower on writes, I found around 900MB/sec was top speed. Still, 3x faster on reads & around 650MB/sec more than SATA-2 systems, and generally over 400MB/sec faster on AMD SATA-3 legacy systems. The reason for this is these are PCIe 2.0 MB's & unlike Intel, there was no AMD MB that would with the swap of a 2nd gen Sandy Bridge to 3rd gen Ivy Bridge CPU, going from 2nd to 3rd gen on the chipset. This system, bought on eBay for my wife for $100, is a Dell Optiplex 7010 DT that shipped with one of the better retail 2nd gen CPU's (i7-2600) & for less than $35, upgraded to a i7-3770 & doubled the RAM to 32GB DDR3 from 16GB & like the system totally transformed. GPU as well now 3.0 x4. But I didn't do the NVMe upgrade, a 512GB Samsung 850 PRO kicks butt on it with the RAPID feature. Shows by both Crystal Disk Benchmark & ATTO to be faster than my Samsung 970 PRO. I'd rather allow the wear on that PC to be on the lifetime warranty RAM than the SSD that's now been out of warranty for a year or so, not to mention, in & out of multiple computers. Seriously, it's fast & it's just stock RAM for Dell made by Crucial, although purchased new by me on promo. Have an extra like new MB like this in case it goes down & may buy a couple more for some legacy Dells (Optiplex 790/990) that's also 2nd gen, but won't upgrade like this, chipset is older. These MB's can be purchased for $15 or less in great condition & most shipped with Win 7 Pro.
This NVMe install is easy as pie if having a Samsung 950 PRO (any size) around, because it's the ONLY of the 900 series to have it's own bootable ROM. Guess Samsung didn't want to kill their sales of 2.5" SATA SSD's!😂 Though be sure to uninstall any other drives first, to find the NVMe one. Easier done with Intel systems, some AMD systems needs the optional Windows 7 NVMe driver that's likely still out there to be placed on USB stick, floppy or slipstreamed into ISO (been 3-4 years since I've done this on legacy AMD). My next build will for sure be Zen, hopefully AM5, but until I see DisplayPort 2.0 PCIe GPU's & monitors, I can wait. Seems like the video is always there with new cards, just not new Standards, as DP 2.0 was released to distribute years ago. Much faster than HDMI 2.1 (around 80GB/sec for DP 2.0 compared to 48GB/sec for HDMI 2.1), so why the wait anymore with PCIe Gen 5, which likely will be a longer GPU standard than Gen 4.
BTW, lots of these goodies, including then $5,000 PCIe (SLC NAND, the best to this date) were available for Linux long before Windows. Mainly workstation computers, servers & supercomputers, of which last time I looked, there wasn't a Windows one in the Top 50. And after 4-5 years of usage, these drives were sanitized & resold on eBay for $2K or so each. This was around the time of release, or just after that of Windows 7. My guess is these are still in use today, or most are. SLC NAND, which many TLC & my favorite, MLC (of which until the Samsung 990), all of their PRO Line of 2.5" & NVMe were. Some specialty HDD's has up to 4GB of SLC NAND, 64-256MB is more common. This acts as the buffer, or cache. NVMe SSD's doesn't need this because is connected to (normally) 4 lanes, be it PCIe 3, 4 or 5.0. As stated prior, there were some x2 lane NVMe drives, not sure what gen these were, but no newer than Gen 3. I can imagine seeing a x6 or x8 NVMe in the future (if not already here) for the same reasons like when SLC NAND NVMe drives were new. Never read discussions on these anywhere until after the release of Windows 7 & closer to that of the $40 Windows 8 promo.
Anyway, thanks for the video & you've gained a new subscriber.💪 There's never "too much" learning when it comes to computers & it kills the day for me, being retired.😁💯
I'm so confused by this video. You say that you're using an NVME drive plugged into the PCI-E port, but then say you're booting off a SATA drive between the motherboard and the PCI-E board and then you say you're not booting off a USB drive but go into plugging an M.2 drive into a USB dongle. I'm tempted to try to play this video backwards to see if it makes any more sense.
Makes perfect sense to me. Booting off of something does not mean that's where the OS is stored. Ever heard of Linux boot disks? It's called a BOOT LOADER. Perhaps you don't need to rewind, you just need to research. Links in the description.
It’s a workaround boot loader on sata drive enables access to the nvme drive that holds the os. The solution you are looking for to bios recognize the nvme is not in this video. He is using clover which I have really only seen on hackintosh machines. I am looking into coreboot to see if nvme from bios can be done. Coreboot is an open source bios that allows you to add modules for configurations you may need. X58 are my favorite work horses that is ending. I was looking at core boot to see how far you can push an x58.
@@phreakwars Like using a GameShark as a boot disc for Dreamcast to play imported titles and bootleg discs.
Even after reading about the method before I had to watch your video a few times to get your twist on it.. haha. I think you calling all of the drives "m.2" (instead of "m.2 sata" or "m.2 nvme pcie" ssd mixed me up). Anyhow, glad to see it working on an x58 system... I used to love this board! Makes me was to bust out my old Rampage Extreme now and throw a x5675 in it too (6 cores and good TDP for cheap.. nice choice! :) )
PS: Your slower than "advertised" read/write speeds are because that mobo is pcie2.0, so that x4 slot is much slower than pcie3.0 x4 or now the latest pcie4.0. If you had an adapter which used more lanes, ex. those x16 adapters out there, then even with pcie2.0 a x16 slot would give you better speeds! (those 3 pcie lanes are split "16x/16x/1x" or "16x/8x/8x" depending on how many cards you have connected)
Nice video though! Cheers!
Yeah, I know the speed is due to the PCIE 2.0 now, back when I made the video though, didn't think too much about it, was doing some experimenting to see if it actually would work. I was shocked that it did. Brought that old Asus board back to life. The x5675 is absolutely the logical choice to use on older hardware like this. More cost effective and like you mentioned, lower TDP then the i7 equivalent (EDIT: also didn't help I was a little hammered when I did this video if you couldn't tell by the Smirnoff Smash I'm drinking while babbling. But that's how I roll ) ;-P
@@phreakwars Haha, some of the best content gets made when hammered, it's all good!
I'd love to snap up an x5675 off aliexpress for 20USD and do the same to give my old system some future-proofing 6-core 4Ghz+ OC love... I just wish Gen1 i7s came with AVX instruction sets. (not the biggest deal.. just some programs/games won't run without it.. and that will likely become more and more likely as we keep moving forward :( )
@@phreakwars By the way, in the market for a new SSD but figure that if I'm about to spend ~80 bucks, may as well spend 95ish and get an nVME ssd instead since that'd likely go in a future pc re-build. That being the case, I only have a spare HDD right now... could I clone clover to that HDD, use it to boot clover, and then once inside Windows on my nVME, just use the rest of that HDD for storage (storing around the clover files)? I guess it would be the same thing you're doing but with an HDD instead of a SATA?
PS: Any idea how long the whole boot time would take going Clover on a 7200rpm HDD⇛nVME⇛Windows (7/8/10)?
Cheers!
@@injjwetrust4678 I wouldn't think that would be too difficult at all. What I would do in that case, is make separate partitions after cloning. Keep the duet/refind boot partition separate from the storage partition and of course set it's attributes to hidden so you or someone else doesn't accidentally delete or modify it.. EDIT: better yet, do a full blown clover install on it for future OS's like Linux and MAC OSX.
@@phreakwars Good to know that you think it would be more than possible to accomplish! :)
Any idea what the system boot duration for either the USB⇛NVMe or 7200rpm HDD⇛NVMe options would be like? I've heard of 1min+ cases, and also 10~15sec cases.. so curious how much clover seems to add to boot times on average
Hey! this sounds very interesting. I already was messing with my bios tryn get the preppy uefi there, but that would have probabbly ruined my motherboard. Im deffinetely try this one. Thank you a lot. I was going insane here.
Great video, also serious Rick Sanchez vibes from 7:42. 😄
Well, I was drinking some Smirnoff Lemonade's, just a tiny bit hammered, but that's how I roll. 😁
Great video, another opción wch world for me was to create a partition for minimal linux with grup loader to recognize de nmve disk
Great tip!
Surprised to see so few votes, must be a lot of people out there with older legacy BIOS boards with PCIe x4 slots available that could benefit. With a bit more detail on the DUET (USB) configuration and a viable solution for migrating Windows 10 from a RAID to the SSD, I'll put an NVMe SSD in my MSI X58 Pro-E. Thanks!
I never worry about things like upvotes, subscribers and stuff like that. I stay low profile so I can respond to questions easier. What typically happens is someone sees one of my hacks, does the same thing in a flashy video with some techno intro on their channel that has thousands of subscribers, take all the praise for it plus some more subscribes without ever mentioning where they learned the hack from, and I just move on to some other hack and think nothing of it. This has went on for over a decade now. Maybe it's my poor articulation skills when I speak, but I could care less, my channel has always been about helping the little guy who can't afford the expensive equipment, upvotes and subscribes be damned.
@@phreakwars I thought cloning the trampoline USB onto a SATA SSD occupying the same PCIe card as the target NVMe SSD was a particularly nice touch.
@@paulchaput5015 well, it frees up the USB port and you get a faster boot time. I'm not a fan of using USB or microSD devices because of the instability and slow speed of them.
i'd like to set up my X58 system with this sort of configuration, but I can't figure out what to do from the video description. I think that there's a suggestion to copy a working Windows X installation onto the M.2 SSD, but then there's a jump to "pop your Windows-install disk into the CD and do the installation" which says to me that this isn't cloning an existing install onto an M.2 but a completely new installation. In any event, the description isn't clear to me and I've only been working on software and hardware since the 1970's, so maybe I'm just not up-to-speed yet.
I used to be on x58 but upgraded to x79 when I found a really good deal. I was also able to enable nvme on x79
Does x79 support x5680 CPU?
@@Ampersand1988 no
@@presidentsad7217 oh.. thanks.
Nice! Using x5675 with good old sata ssd over here ;)
Very nice!
Mi system is identically,the boot for pen drive on nvme is not work in a my system. Please help me. Your SO is a clone for C partition or new installation?
I have and old mobo (socket 1366) and i am trying to install windows 10 in expansion card with NVME M2 2TB. I received message that :
"Windows cannot be installed to this disk. This computers hardware may not support booting to this disk. Ensure That the disk controller is enabled in the computers BIOS menu."
Can i bypass this ?
Sadly speaking, x58 IOH chip doesn’t support PCI express.
Hey Thanks for your video, i'm in a similar situation , i need to install a NVME or M.2 to a X58 board... and my x58 motherboard is a Gygabyte EX58 Extreme which doesnt have SATA3 ports ! only SATA2... so my doubt is: is that sata cable connecting your mSATA drive to the SATA2 port ? and... is it possible to use that SATA port in the adaptor to connecta a SATA3 SSD ? thanks !
Couple different way to do it and a lot of it depends on your board as well. The controller in this video is one where the NVME speed comes from the PCI-E, but sata speed comes from the sata port on the board via a sata cable connected to the card that reads the sata m.2 drive. The speed of the sata drive itself is not important since in this configuration, the sata port is only being utilized to initiate duet/refind. That is all it does. As a matter of fact, if you REALLY REALLY want to eliminate sata 100%, watch this video from Linus about USB DOM: ruclips.net/video/JlbNmVdwzb0h/видео.htmlttps://ruclips.net/video/JlbNmVdwzb0/видео.html JUST SAYIN...
HI, great tutorial. I have exactly the same board as you and I was wondering if it would be possible to clone my SSD boot drive to the PCIE NVME drive, once its installed?
Possibly. Best bet is ask on the win-raid forums where the software originates. They would have a better idea.
Good to know that when the apocalypse comes and destroys all the 4th gen i7s and newer, we can still Mad-Max this old X58 gear. I think you just upstaged Bryan from *Tech Yes City.*
HEHE, believe it or not, old ass PC's like that are still in use in many of the poorer countries. Hell, alot of them are still using Windows fucking XP. Had a WD_Black AN1500 sent to me a while back that I wanted to test out on this as well. Decided to use it in a build and sell it off instead. Figured the results wouldn't be much better then what I got with a standard nVME because of the older PCI-E Standard the board uses.
@@phreakwars i overclocked pcie to 119mhz,, increased read speeds from 1500 to 1950mb/s 😂
@@Callagwhan overclocked it? Never heard of that.
@@phreakwars yes.. try it 😂
@@Callagwhan Nah, I don't really get into overclocking much these days. I used to do it like mad back in the day. Last time I overclocked was back during the Athlon Slot A days when I got mine past the 1Ghz mark. Kind of tells ya how long I've been doing this shit.
Can I do this by cloning my current OS drive onto an NVMe, or it can only be done when you do a fresh install of Windows on the NVMe via Clover? If you can find a way to do it the former route, please let me know. I currently have an SSD drive that I wanted to upgrade to an NVMe but don't want a fresh install of Windows. I also have an ASUS legacy board that runs off a BIOS instead of a UEFI. Thank you!
I'm honestly not sure, I've never tried.
@@phreakwars thanks anyway!
I'd like to go the clone route as well. Did you have any luck with it?
@@stephendee7839 No luck. I gave up because I found out that using a PCIe to NVMe converter throttles the read/write speeds to about the same as the SATA version my mobo supports, so no use in going through all the trouble. Anyway, good luck!
Without reading all your bios i am guessing your board is using pciE 2.0, which is about half the bandwidth of 3.0. 3.0 runs at 3500mb/s so check that out, 8f you haven't.
Yes, that is correct. Was intoxicated when I filmed this video, my mind was not considering PCIE 2.0 speeds and age of machine. Surprised at this looking back, that I was actually able to finish the video without slurring too much. Might have to one day redo this topic while sober, though I tend to try and stay away from older hardware these days when I film.
Sir using this adapter on gen 2 pice x16 port will I be able to boot through nvme SSD. Also if yes will the speed of M.2 Nvme ssd be the same as Nvme or as sata Ssd
You will be able to boot to the NVME via commands from the SATA ssd. Your speed will depend on the bus limitations, which in your case will be Gen 2 speeds. This is much faster than a standard SATA SSD, but not as fast as modern machines because of that bandwidth limitation. Real world, you can expect about 2x the speed of a SATA SSD using Gen 2 PCIE X16. Your speeds may vary of course, but that's the general range you are looking.
I tried this metod but on boot i have error message about screen resolution...😏
Its due to bandwidth limitations of previous pcie generation my friend
indeed, pcie 2.0 on an x4 slot will only get you so far... still nice improvement over an ssd if you move lots of large files!
@@injjwetrust4678 yes, I know that now, was a bit drunk and not thinking when I made the video.
@@phreakwars you can actually overclock PCIe on the X58 platform and the transfer rate will actuall go up with the PCIe frequency - I've already tested it on my Sabertooth X58 and X5675
@@GronkAkowA that's cool, you should do a video about it.
Я тоже так хотел всю мучаюсь не могу сделать чтобы операционная системас грузилась М2 sSD. У меня его не видит в BIOS. Рекомендуют перепрошить BIOS Но перепрошивать боюсь. Что только не пробовал куча разных утилит - не грузится
a buddy of mines just using due+refind(sp?) on an old usb2 stick to load the uefi loader and boot from his nvme drives also lets him run a 6800xt he won in his evga sr2 system... (5.5 on both chips 24/7 with dual 280mm AIO's... and 192gb of recc 1866...
Great vid, I knew something like this was possible. If this is the case, I wonder if this would allow for me to boot a 8TB SSD (or really any drive larger than 2TB) that's formatted as GPT on Legacy BIOS that does not have the option for UEFI. I'll have to check out that WinRaid forum. I read through all the comments here and my understand is that it's possible.
This is an older video that I did, and the WinRaid forums actually closed down I think last year.EDIT: you might be able to find support at forums.guru3d.com/ Kind of a shame they shut down, the site contained all kinds of invaluable information for modding a PC. Seems a lot of the modder community is fading these days. Sometimes I feel like a leftover relic being the last of only a few who still practice the art (even when drunk).
winraid.level1techs.com/t/guide-nvme-boot-for-systems-with-legacy-bios-and-uefi-board-duet-refind/32251
I currently have a situation where I have 5 2TB HDDs plugged into SATA in my ThinkStation P20 Motherboard and I bought an M.2 PCIe adapter without checking first that the mobo supports it (surprise, it doesn't). since I have no more spare SATA ports or even SATA power connectors coming from the power supply, I thought I could use a usb stick to boot into the m2 from. Is this possible with this method also? I was worried if maybe some of the reads would still use the usb drive and damage it in the long run. It's going to be a home server with TrueNAS scale.
My solution, would be to use a USB Dom. You can pick one up on eBay for $20 or less. www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2334524.m570.l1313&_nkw=usb+dom&_sacat=0&LH_TitleDesc=0&_osacat=0&_odkw=usbdm This is where you'd install DUET/REFIND to call on the nVME for booting. Since you are only using it as the boot loader, it can be very small, like 4 gigs (hell even 2 gigs) or less even. Hope this helps.
@@phreakwars Thanks for the tip! For now, I just installed it on a thumb drive and it worked instantly! Before finding your video I probably searched for a solution for about 2 or so hours...
G31 motherboard support nvme ssd using ppcie16 adapter?
Hi is this able with no uefi mobo????
Correct!
I'm trying something similar on my MSI X58 platinum. I have a 256G Samsung SSD from my 2013 Mac Pro. I bought an adapter that will allow me to put it onto an NVMe to PCIe card. I'm wondering if I can put it on an SSD to USB 3 adapter and install the UEFI software, then boot it and partition it in 2... 1 small boot partition and the other for Windows 10... If that works I'm going to try and get my old Vista Ultimate drive to run on a dual boot...sound feasible?
Actually, I believe so. Not sure if Vista will recognise an NVME drive though, but the clover boot loader might handle that. You'd have to ask on the forum I linked to for a better answer as I have never tried an older OS and am not an expert by any means at running duet and refind. Best you can do is try. Also, from what I understand, Samsung drives work real well for X58 NVME so you might not even need the boot loader, just the adapter.. you'll have to check it out and see.
@@phreakwars Thanks. The first spin on this will be to get Windows 10 working, so the native driver there should work. Regarding your insight on Vista, if that fails to dual boot, I should still have the F11 key for the bios boot order, no?
@@rk4621 yes, you should still have it.
If you created a uefi bios partition installation like you did would that let a modern gpu boot on legacy bios
Yes, should work just fine and another reason to perform this hack.
And how the heck you do that?
I buy and NVmE 1Tb SSD and tried sooo hard to get this installed on my Dell Precision 690 with a PCI Express adapter but doesn't work, i was about to sell it on Fb, but now im going to try this today at night.
Did you get it to work?
@ibrahim morteza Yeap, 1 year working like day 1 ♥
@@stephendee7839 Yeap, 1 year working like day 1 ♥
I have a HP Compaq Elite 8300 SFF and I tried your method with it and did not work !!! I checked it out and it has all the NVMe drivers. In fact the NVMe unit pluged in a PCIexpress port is detected by Windows as a secundary disk and I can use it as such. But it is not detected by the BIOS so that I can not choose it as a boot device even when this NVMe unit is a clone of the ssd unit pluged to the SATA port.
You answered to Modr Ribaz that: "In fact you can modify the EFI partition yourself and change it to the clover bootloader screen and customize it how you like." Please tell me how to do that or where can I find the information which will let me do it !!!
Thank you in advance for your help !!!
Blessings !!!
Honestly, best advice I can give you, is head to the win-raid forum I link to in the description of the video. I was half drunk when I made this video and I am not going to make any type of claims to being knowledgeable about the process. I also experienced what you described on a different HP machine when I was testing an nVME add-in card. Windows would see it just fine, read speeds were within reason for the bus, just no option in the BIOS to boot. Now there IS a hack in many HP's you can do to access extended features. What you'll do is spam both the left CTRL key and the F10 key at the same time after pressing the power button. When it goes into the BIOS, you'll see additional options. Not sure on the specifics of that particular board, but might be worth checking out.
@@phreakwars I learned something today, didn't know that about HP BIOS
Does it support windows 7
I have almost the same mobo.
The one i have is the Asus P6T SE
Does this works with chinese mobo ? .. I had huananzhi x58 deluxe .. But im not sure if this mobo can be uefi?
Yes, this should work, have not tested on any Chinese boards to verify, but x58 chipset should be the same.
@@phreakwars so you have tutorial on how to do this without usb drive to boot ? I just found a good deal for sata m.2 (16gb ) and sata + nvme adapter ..
@@ohagiman7753 No, sure don't. I don't usually cover older computers very often unless I come across one that makes an interesting topic.
@@phreakwars can i use 32 gb m.2 sata as a bootable drive for duet and refind?
@@ohagiman7753 Yes, you could do that as well.
Great info but your video is just choppy as hell also you might want to consider running triple channel on that x58
My videos are always choppy as hell. But anyways, I have this board up on the shelf now. This was just an experiment, which is why I only slapped in a couple sticks.
Hi, thank's for your video, i'm trying to boot a 970 evo plus on my x58 rampage board but cant get it to work.
I tried with both clover and duet bootloader but i am getting problem with both.
W
If i try to boot with one of then and i try to i stall windows on a 970, windows installation software see the drive with 0 capacity
After, did a clean install on the 970 on another pc and tried to boot from it on the x58 system with both bootloader but windows crash everytime when it get to the login screen..
I tried about everything that i can find but im stuck there, would you have any tips that could help me out??
Thank's a lot for your help
You'll need to ask on the win-raid forums. I wouldn't be of much help and don't want to pretend I would be. Have you tried booting with the traditional method of using the USB stick first with the Duet/Refind software?
@@phreakwars Win-raid forums are about to get shut down.
@@stephendee7839 No shit?? Why?
You can MOD your bios with nvme driver.
Go step by step as in this video
ruclips.net/video/xFFBHkeosUU/видео.html&ab_channel=UniqueCars
Couldn't you just clone your hard drive to these? If i dont have to reinstall things.......
Clone an nVME you mean? Yes, but you'd still have to trick the legacy BIOS into booting nVME to read the drive in the first place.
Will this work for old Mother boards like Asus X58 ?
This video was done with an ASUS X58
Its windows 8?
No, Windows 10.
@@phreakwars nvme and ssd can working on win 8?
@@zizoidn5648 Honestly, I'm not sure, would be best to ask the guys on the win-raid.com forums. I would think that it should work, but I honestly do not know for sure.
@@phreakwars oh ok, btw whats your pc specification?
@@zizoidn5648 for this test build, you can find the full specs here: builds.gg/phreakwarpc/x58-asus-p6t-deluxe-v2-in-a-diypc-diy-s07-with-nvme-boot-26645
good try,
meh, not bad for being drunk
This is horrible...
Never make videos while intoxicated.
Super useful video, but please learn to edit yourself. This video only needed to be 5 minutes long.
I'll be sure to NOT listen to your concerns, just like I avoid everyone else's, but thanks for watching my drunk ass.
Just took too long to get to the point, Man :/
Eagerly awaiting your video doing a better job at explaining. Thanks for watching my drunk ass.
Yeah nah, I'm not posting shit. Just... take the constructive criticism without being a fuckwit :/
Ever hear of the "blind leading the blind"? Well this is the classic example of one idiot leading the pack. My bad.
This is 'NOT' a NVMe boot on a legacy x58 BIOS. It is a NGFF boot via the same, and that's if it really works too.
A NVMe SSD connects directly to the PCIe bus through the card of which it is attached to.
A NGFF SSD is connected to the motherboard via a SATA cable running between the card it is mounted on.
The NGFF SSD has nothing to do with the PCIe, and the card just serves as a place to mount an extra SSD.
You're not going to get NVMe/PCIe speeds when you're connected via the NGFF/SATA II of the motherboard.
So far; through all the researching I've done, I have yet to find a way to boot a NVMe SSD without running under UEFI.
AND, on another note, UEFI/EFI is not BIOS. It's either one or the other. You do not combine the two; i.e. UEFI BIOS.
This is NOT to say though, that, motherboards cannot have/emulate both; but you can only be running under one or the other.
Don't even get me started on GPT vs. MBR; LOL
I would really like to find a working answer to this though, which may also be the resolution to another issue I experience.
Great to know you're too dumb to realize the controller I used uses the SATA ports for a separate SATA drive, not the nVME which is using the PCIe. The SATA drive only serves as the loader, it is in fact, running on an nVME drive, but thanks for trying to sound like you know something.
@@phreakwars But you seem to not understand many here, do not want the bootloader of the SATA controller to load duet, then duet finds the PCIe drive and finally allows the PC to boot. I have the exact same P6t Deluxe booting on NVME m.2 Samsung 950 Pro without anything else involved. Install drive, Boot USB Windows 10 or 11, sees nvme drive, does windows install just like a normal drive. Finish, then that is it. No Duet, no Clover, no nothing else. Boot Legacy BIOS to NVMe. Is that too hard to wrap your ego around Phreakwar?
@@chrisdotson6417 You are using a Samsung, which DOES work and show up, not all nVME drives are the same. Most all Samsungs are known to work. What you are talking about, is a separate subject. Don't believe me? Put in another brand nVME and see what happens besides YOUR ego shrinking. THIS IS COVERED IN THE FORUM POST I LINKED TO IN THE DESCRIPTION AND HAS BEEN FOR YEARS.DUH!! Again, all I am doing in this video, is the same duet/refind trick, except moving it to a 16 gig 2242 sata to boot instead of a USB stick. EDIT: And BTW, why do you HAPPEN to be using a Samsung drive when you know fully well you won't get full speed.. OH THAT'S RIGHT, YOU ALREADY KNEW SAMSUNGS WERE THE ONLY ONES COMPATIBLE, so fuck you man. I see your game.
you are right.he saved one usb for the cost of pcie .m2 sata card.that's what I see.
note: at least in the case of many early UEFI bios, they were an old style bios with a skin and added features, mouse support, i say this having compared them with non-gui versions of the boards bios and older boards that were pre-uefi...
anyway, you cant direct boot off nvme on most x58 boards, but you can just use a usb stick or sata drive with the boot loader on it to re-direct boot to nvme..
im told the Radeon SSG cards NVME support works on x58 but havent tried it myself, my buddy has one on that sr2 rig he owns... he uses it for specific tasks...not gaming its able to game but its only vega level hardware so... the 3070ti he won in in a contest is a better match to dual x5690's at 5.5ghz... (i thought he clocks had to be a joke...he ran linpack for 36hrs, 100% stable using 87% of his ram... so yeah...god damn... he also swapped the fans on the AIO's for IPPC )