Speed up your PC - Add an nVME add in card for you system
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- Опубликовано: 14 июн 2019
- This video will show you how to speed up your PC by adding an adapter card that allows you to add an nVME SSD drive.
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Thank you, brought up important performance points that other videos lack
Shamir Ramballey Thanks for the feedback. I appreciate it.
Excellent video!!!, if this video existed by when I was doing my reasearch about it this topic woudl have saved me so much time!!!, very accurate information! thanks for posting it
Thank you for the feedback. I appreciate it.
Thank you for answering alot of questions I had about the addon card and some things I wanted to know about the motherboard slotted m.2. Very well done!
Thank you very much for the feedback. It is appreciated.
Extremely helpful, especially for me as I was wondering about the difference between the x16 size adapters cards and if any speed difference. You pointed this out perfectly(no difference).
Thanks again for the vid, liked and subbed.
Great to hear. Thanks
you can get addin card adapters that are actually x16 too, that will take multiple drives (typically 4, ie 4 lanes for each of the 4 drives for a total of 16)
I like your style, sir! Very easy to understand the way you demonstrate and explain. Well done! All good wishes for 2020!
Thank you much and the best to you as well.
Excellent work, Mike! Please keep it up! One of the best on the internet, very well done!
Wow. Thanks for the feedback. Appreciate it.
You both def know each other irl
Thanks for the info, I am a long time computer tech, but you just brought me up to date on NVME.
Robert Klahn Glad I could help and thanks for the feedback.
wow, there's so much to learn. It's been so long since I studied computers, back in the 90's, God
Thank you so much for all this great information. You have just updated me. Thanks your time given to do this video. It's really appreciate it.
Great to hear and glad you enjoyed it.
This was exactly the video I needed to watch, Thank you for making it.
Glad it was helpful!
Just bought that exact adaptor along with the EVO 970 Plus. This is the perfect video to watch in preparation for installing it.
Glad to hear w. Thanks for the feedback.
Thank you. Excellent, thorough, efficient info video. I needed help deciding on which adapter card and this provided more info than what manufacturers, sellers, and review mags provided.
Glad it could help and thanks for the feedback.
I'd get the sabrent adaptor
An excellent easy to follow, easy to understand how to video for non techies like me.
Glad to hear and thanks for the feedback.
Nice video, thanks for sharing.
Heat sinks for the M.2 SSD, an often overlooked feature that keeps their performance high. Good video.
Thanks!
My Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Ultra comes with heatsinks for the M.2 slots.
Thank you.
Superb video with easy to understand explanations. Thumbs up and subbed.
Much appreciated. Thank you.
Thank you sir, this video helped me install a pcie nvme adapter. Simple and easy to understand instructions. Appreciate this video.
Great to hear! Appreciate the feedback.
You saved me some time with this. I ordered the incorrect SSD for the adaptor due to be delivered today. Just got my RMA over the phone. Ordered to correct one. Thanks.
Great! Glad it helped.
Thank you so much for this, damn this is well made and succinct, has info i needed quite desperately and others didnt offer, was a little freaked out i had maybe made a incorrect purchase even though i had done all i could to learn before said purchase it was like that immediate post buy small kernal of doubt and i am incredibly glad i stumbled upon this vid, thanks again for piece of mind, all the best to you.
Thank you for the feedback. I appreciate it. Glad you found it useful.
very nice video, mike greatly explained
Finally YT recommended me a video of someone explaining the difference between the two m.2 drives. Nobody I ever asked knew and just thought it was the key. Thanks for this video.
Glad to hear it. Thanks for the comment..
Thanks for the explanation & tips MIke
cheers
JB
Thank you.
I like the one without the bracket because you could use it in a half-height computer and not have to take the bracket off and change it, and it saves them money so win-win
Thank you for this informational tutorial. Need to upgrade my Toshiba Model S55-C5364 laptop.
Thank you for the feedback. I appreciate it.
Thank you so much! I got the same setup!
Glad I could help!
Just bought one of these PCI-E to M.2 adapter excited to use my SSD.
Good luck and let us know. Thanks for commenting.
@@MikeFaucher Guess my i5 650 has only 16 PCI lanes that are being taken up by my discreet graphics card, so the adapter is useless to me for the moment.
@@MikeFaucher So since the PCI-Ex1 adapter didn't work I got a m.2 to SATA III adapter and now I got windows 10 loaded up to my 248gb SSD. Now I just gotta figure out how to get this RX580 to stop crashing every few minutes with windows 10, worked fine on windows 7, but I can't find the disc so stuck with figuring out how to make windows 10 work.
@@JustAverageJeff How about downloading and installing drivers for your GPU?
@@ShamanKish I have tried a few driver versions and even flashed the bios for the card all to no avail.
Up until now I didn't know about using a heatsink on the NVMe great info
Great to hear. They do run very hot and when they reach temp they throttle. It happens much quicker then people expect.
@@MikeFaucher I believe your work. I guess I am wrong in thinking that a fan directly blowing at the m2 without the heat sink is more effective, because the me is enclosed and with the blue less heat conductor will trap certain heat rate dissipation. I have to do it to find out. Did you do without heat sink as well.
@@williamlau7179 Direct air will also work but my suggestion, if you can, is both. Air on the heatsink. The advantage of the heatsink is the mass. When the controller is stressed, it heats very quickly so a heatsink will slow that down. Air will do a better job at idle but will struggle when the controller heats up.
Sabrent has never let me down,or gave me clear instructions. Follow the instructions on the Sabrent and you will wonder why you have 3 heat pads left over. Thank God for generous people making videos like this!
Awesome, glad you found it useful.
9:26 at this part, i notice there are three thermal pads, which the additional two pads are for the back plate and underneath the ssd before putting the screw in! double sided cooling will improve temperatures, because i heard silicon PCB boards are thermal conductive! Good review video, very descriptive and straight forward! 😄
kairu kun93 Good question. The extra pad are only used for name drives that chips on both sides. The Samsung drives only have chips on one side so only the thicker pad is used. Great question and thanks for asking.
@@MikeFaucher Exactly! I have an HP EX920 1TB m.2 NVME and has memory chips on both sides, so yeah it's ideal to have thermal pads on both sides, but still won't hurt to have both sides on most of m.2s. Again PCBs are thermal conductive, it will help keep m.2 cooler (better surface area). Manufacturers need to test these m.2 nvme's more for full load for long hours and see why they get bad performance on long run (especially on full load) like a CPU. I know they're designed to handle those temps, but thermal throttling is not acceptable. Would be nice to have dual or more slot m.2 to PCIe, but... it's expensive! 😄
@@kairukun93 Completely agree. The reason I did not use the bottom pad was the gap was too much and the pads did not make contact to the bare PCB. Under the right stack up you are completely correct. Thanks for the detail.
Ah that makes sense. I was looking at the SIIG version of this drive and it shows using two pads with one underneath. It makes sense now. Only use two pads if your drive has chips on both sides. Thanks for the video.
@@Wheel333 Two won't hurt but in my case it did not mot make good contact.
Thanks, good video
Thank you! I was so confused with trying to add an SSD to my Dell XPS 8900. Looks like the adaptor and nvme ssd will be the best way to go for me and not the sata m.2 ssd.
Good luck. Thank you.
thank you - very informative.
Thank you for the feedback.
Thanks a lot for this informative video. I was quite enthused by the possibility of upgrading my old PC. However your last caution (very important one) that it may not be possible to boot from the same was a bit disappointing - although most crucial. I guess I will have to check in the bios to see if booting from PCIe is possible. My motherboard is VERY old so chances are slim. Thanks, regards,
Good luck and thanks for the feedback.
The other heat pads are to go on the board on the traces behind the ssd on both sides (you see the squares created by the traces) The idea is to spread the heat to the back of the heatsink.
Agreed
That particular adapter has a plastic back plate that screws on. no point in adding the thermal pad to the backside.
Agreed the extra pads aren't there for the fun of it
there should be a heat pas on the under of the NVMe, depending on the manufacture... Mine has a medal back not plastic
@Goyim United the backplate is plastic. No point in adding a thermal pad to plastic.
My notion may have a flaw, but it could be a great KISS life extender/upgrade for many.
I fancy a utility called Primocache - ~ a much classier Storemi... for a few reasons, but keeping it to my KISS theme, it specifically has an accelerator mode which adds no risk - it just automatically mirrors all ur slowest/popular data blocks on the much faster nvme. The nvme space added for use by this mode does not add capacity - only speed.
All ur original data is untouched. If the cache drive fails, no damage is done.
It can dothe same trick on raid drives too.
sata is a sacred cow most defend vehemently, but an old pc & task manager soon show how sata io degrades cpu perf. NVME on native cpu pcie lanes has a direct & efficient path to the cpu - ur cpu will get more done.
PCIE vs NVMe on a Crosshair 6.
I bought a NVMe drive with around a 2900 speed (a little slower than a Samsung 970). The speed difference is somewhat noticeable between the NVMe slot and the PCIE. About 10 sec faster Windows boot.
Faster ones will most likely be more dramatic.
I use it in a case made for a FX 9590 so there are fans moving air across the motherboard. Works real well.
The PCIE adapter was not much, $25 including shipping. Yes it was worth it.
It is bootable on a Crosshair VI with 7601 BIOS.
There are much more expensive PCIE adapters that do RAID with a on the adapter controller on the PCIE card.
The cheaper ones with 2 slots just give you 2 drives.
My board will not RAID PCIE, NVMe drives just SATA.
I have heard some say it does slow down a 2080 Ti but does make any difference all the rest the GPUs
`much more expensive PCIE adapters that do RAID with a on the adapter controller on the PCIE card` havent seen any, what price we talking?
@@malcomflibbleghast8140 $100 for 2 drives to $490 for 4. These adapters have there own built in RAID and software. driveswww.newegg.com/highpoint-ssd7103/p/N82E16816115298?Description=pci%20e%20raid%20nvme&cm_re=pci_e%20raid%20nvme-_-16-115-298-_-Product
@@malcomflibbleghast8140 100+
Did you possibly connect the PCIE adaptor to a slot that runs PCIE 2.0? Perhaps the reason why its slower than the NVME slot.
Holy shit, welcome back to 1998 with the RAM expanders, VESA framebuffer and HD speed/storage doublers! What's old is new again, fuggin aweome.
Well put. Thanks
@@MikeFaucher Hehe, thank you for your polite reply, I had a few wobbly-pops when I wrote that, but the parallel is interesting, glad you agree. In a way it's nice that Moore's Law has pretty much hit the wall, and PC tech is now aimed at optimizing and improving what we have to work with again back like when computers were sold with the same clock-speed for years, and this kind of optimization was a true geek's calling.
Thank You. I've learnt a lot
Glad to hear. Thanks.
SanDisk Ready Cache works wonderfully for performance increases to HDD platter drives, only issue is the proprietary software that functions with specific operating systems.
Ram Cache works better.
@@twizz420 Yes but its volatile memory, once the pc is turned off the data is gone. They was at one point a PCI RAM Drive with battery backup so it's definitely useful.
Very thorough...TY.
Thank You.
Very good test. Thanks you.
Thank you, glad you liked it.
great video / well demonstrated / thank you for sharing
Glad you enjoyed it Thanks!
Thank you
Great video, very informative and helpful. I'm looking to do this soon with my aging 7 year old motherboard
Awesome, good luck.
@@MikeFaucher 🙂
Hello sir I have a question?
can i install it on the motherboard model gigabyte x79-UD3?
These are the things where I found them for this motherboard.
2 x PCI Express x16 slots, running at x16 (PCIEX16_1, PCIEX16_2)
* For optimum performance, if only one PCI Express graphics card is to be installed, be sure to install it in the PCIEX16 slot.
2 x PCI Express x16 slots, running at x8 (PCIEX8_1, PCIEX8_2)
* The PCIEX8_2 slot shares bandwidth with the PCIEX16_2 slot. When the PCIEX8_2 slot is populated, the PCIEX16_2 slot will operate at up to x8 mode.
(All PCI Express x16 slots conform to PCI Express 3.0 standard.)
2 x PCI Express x1 slots
(All PCI Express x1 slots conform to PCI Express 2.0 standard.)
1 x PCI slot
Multi-Graphics Technology
@@DarkMUMY93 Should be fine on that board. Let me know what you think of it.
@@MikeFaucher 🙂
Thank you very much sir for the reply👍🏼
which slot you advise me to use🤔
@@DarkMUMY93 As this is only a X4 device, any slot should work . I would try a couple to see if it makes any difference.
To use NVME as boot,. disable/unplug any drive to the SATA 1 connector on the motherboard and disable SATA 1 in BIOS. move any drive to another sata connector, sata 2, sata 3, ect.
That won't work if your board does not support "Boot from PCIE."
I had no trouble with a circa 2014 Gigabyte Z97X Gaming 7 board.
Nice explanation, Check your motherboard, whether it supports booting from PCie or use Linux with the boot-loader on any other drive and the OS on the NVME drive.
Thanks for re-iterating that point. I did mention it on the video but is ofter overlooked. Thank you.
I have an older (2012) Asus with 2.0 X 16 slots and used a PCIe adapter along with a 1 TB Intel PCIe SSD on sale and it works great for data storage and what not...and the speeds are way faster than my OS boot 860 EVO 2.5" SSD...never planned to use it to boot out of tho....good way to add additional space an those card prices are falling to boot.
Good point. Thanks for the comment.
Great idea. Just be sure your motherboard and BIOS support booting from a PCIe storage card. Also your processor needs to have enough PCIe lanes to support the card AND your video card requirements. (4 for the card and at least 16 for one video card.)
I have a I-7 965ex Intel with 40 lanes, so plenty of processor lanes but it running on an Asus P6X58D-Premium with the X58 chipset did not support NVMe add on card booting.
I ended up buying a Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Ultra with NVMe-M2 support and a I-9 9900K intel to facilitate use of my new NVMe M2 SSD. Sure I could have booted with SATA SSD (possibly RAID) and then used the NVMe drive and card as really fast storage in the X58 platform but that would not have helped with general operating system performance.
Very True. Thanks for the feedback
Hi, thank you for this video. Can you please tell me which software you are using for monitoring the temperatures. Thank you.
Ritesh Sharma Thanks for the feedback. The software is called Aida64. You can find at www.aida64.com.
Hi Mike, great video. One thing I didn't quite understand. The 960 was plugged directly into the board. Was it standing upright? Since it had the same type contact pins, and the same size as the 970, it would need the adapter card also, No?
Great question and let me clarify. The 960 Pro used in the testing is mounted on my motherboards M.2 slot and is actually my system drive. It is not visible in the video and was used as a comparison only. It also has a heatsink on it. Any nVME drive will need an adapter if the motherboard does not have a native M.2 connector on it or it you want to add an additional drive. The 960, 970, 960 Pro, and 970 Pro are all the same and can be mounted on the adapter or motherboard (if it supports nVME). If you motherboard does have an M.2 connector that would be the first choice, but if it does not, then using an adapter like this is a good option. I hope that clarifies it for you and thanks for the question.
thanks
Great content, clarified a lot of queries regarding m2 motherboards. What version of PCI express were you using?
Version 3. Thanks of the feedback.
Subbed... nice job!
Thank you for the feedback. I appreciate it.
Good Video....what was the software you were using to monitor temps?
It is called AIDA64. www.aida64.com/downloads
👍😎 SUBBED!
Thank You ❤
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Thank you very much. Appreciated.
Very nice! Informative, however nvme ram chips actually works better (lasts longer) being warm. The controller chip is the only part you have to worry about getting hot. If your using the the nvme ssd for gaming or average home use the label, which is actually a heat spreader, is usually enough. If your going to be doing multimedia editing (constantly reading/writing large files to the drive) then defiantly heat sink the controller chip because this is what can get very hot and causes thermal throttling.
Erik Stillman Tanks for the input.
Most chips suffer from heat (I'd say all, but I'm sure there's some edge case chip that is designed for that). When I was in school, we used to say that if you ran a chip 10 degrees Celcius higher, you cut the chip life in half or something like that. Now, maybe the newer chip types are lower power or have better heat dissipation, but if you want a chip to keep running for as long as possible, keep the chips cool.
Thanks alottttttttttt
fantastic ,
I believe you can also use a thermal pad between the back of the nVME and the adapter, and between the adapter and the heatsink backplate (the exposed copper on the adapter is the ground plane and it makes an excellent thermal interface), in fact I wonder if that's the purpose of the 3 pads supplied - (from top to bottom) medium, thick, thin. However, using this exact same adapter (Riitop) I found this causes the adapter to bend slightly when the heatsink screws are tightened (although I'm not sure if this is of any consequence, it still installs and runs perfectly), so I warmed the entire assembly in an oven at c. 80°C to soften the pads and then clamped it in the centre with a small G-clamp to flatten it out before tightening them up. This results in even lower operating temps. I also removed the label on the nVME (to be kept in the nVME's clam-shell to be re-applied as/when needed) to improve contact with the heatsink (care needed).
Awesome. You did more than most. Thanks for sharing.
@@MikeFaucher Thank you for your vids! On further thought, I reckon perhaps the exposed copper ground plane on both sides of this adapter (and others) might be for sinking some heat from the chips on double-sided nVME's ( still via a thin thermal pad), but it works just as well with the plain back of single-sided ones (like the 500GB one I'm using). Anyhoo, I'm no guru, and the instructions supplied with the adapter are pretty basic, so really I'm guessing/winging it (but so far so good). Incidentally, I just read somewhere that the cells in NAND chips retain their state for longer if they're written to when they're at (well) over 40°. You can't win.
@@EliteRock That’s is the same assumption I made about the pads. I would not lose any sleep over chips being to cool though. Thy have a pretty good operating range. Thanks for the comment.
@@MikeFaucher Yep, you can get too, you know, canal without a 'c' if you're not careful. Still, what I _heard_ was that that the cells can start losing their state in a year or less if they're written at very low temps - the chips are all still fine, but _theoretically_ you might get corruption/loss after even such a short time (some broadcast/pro camera manufacturers had problems in arctic conditions with NAND a couple years back), so perhaps an issue if you used one as an archive? I'm using mine pretty much as a scratch drive (PC is too old to boot from it), so for _me_ not really a concern even _if_ it's true.
I would have liked to see the difference without a heat sync. How much access (use do you need to do to get throttling) and the speed difference
If you plug this into a x16 as you have does it change the other x16, assuming you have 2, to only run as x8 slot. Depends on board config of course, not all MB's have 2 x16 slots that will run x16 when both are filled.
You will have to look up your particular motherboard and see how the slot is set to behave. Mine does not change to x8 and works fine but it chipset/MB specific.
Would it not have made a difference to remove the sticker on the SSD before applying the thermal pad?
Excellent tutorial! Thanks.
Thank you.
Great video. What PCI Express version you have on the test board? I have only PCI-E 2.0. Does 2.0 will give the same performance you had?
3.0. They speed on 2.0 will be less but I do not have an exact number. "Rough" guess would be 25-30% less but that is just a guess.
pcie 2.0 will peak at 2000 mbs max... most version 3 nvmes in a version 2 slot are getting 2000/1500mbs read/write
What seems to be the better adapter? This low profile RIITOP that just slips into the slot or the larger ones that need a screw to hold in place?
Performance is exactly the same so It is personal preference. The screw in cards often do not come with heatsinks so plan on getting one.
What heat sinks are you using for the Samsung? Mine runs hot and I'd like to add a heat sink to it but there are so many.
i ise the rittop heatsink that looks identical to the one in the vid..its on amazon for abt 15.00 keeps an evo 970 plus at 40 to 60c in a room with ambient 25 to 30c temps
Mike, A very good video, thank you. I have a Dell XPS 8930 that uses the 256GB SSD card as the boot (C) drive. I also have a 2TB SSD (D) drive for storage. But I use external hard drives for my storage. I want to upgrade the 256GB SSD card to a 1TB card for better process of my video files. None of the videos instruct as to what needs to be done BEFORE you do that, i.e. back up the C: drive on a flash drive first. Is that what needs to be done first? One video did show where you go into the BIOS and re-download from a flash drive Windows (I have Windows 10 Pro, 64 bit). Please advise. Thank you.
Great question. You have three options, first of course is to re-install windows from scratch on your new drive which is more work but tends to be better in the long run. The second, which addresses your question is to clone the drive using Acronis or comparable utility such as the Samsung utility. This will require that you put a second drive to clone or that you get an external NVMe enclosure to house the new drive. The third option is to back up the drive using built in Windows backup or using something like Acronis Backup to backup the drive (ruclips.net/video/8KcE-1Co7-I/видео.html) to an external drive, boot from recovery media, then restore the drive. Personally, I have done allot of this as I upgrade all the time and what I do is run a backup, put a new drive in and re-install everything from scratch. The way windows and apps install nowadays, I find it to be faster and with better results. My second choice which I often use is to clone. As a last resort I do the backup and restore. Hope that helps.
These adapters are cool for old motherboards with no nvme slot
worth buying this adapter for primary drive? which pcie slot you using. smallest one on board?
You need to research that your Motherboard can boot from PCIe. As for which slot, it mostly does not matter but it depends on your motherboard. If you have an x4 I would use that and stay away from the second x16 (next to the graphics card).
The reason for 4 thermal pad is to use on the backside as well as the top of the NVME drive. Thus the foil pattern below the drive. If the adapter board hosts 2 NVME drives you will need the other 2 pads.
Thanks for your input.
Pretty good walk through&comparison, specially with the 3 units performance comparison..towards the end of the video.
Now I'm trying to figure out bottlenecks, when mixing SATA & PCIe drives, within the system.
I am trying to assemble an audio production rig..and I believe the NVMEs would really make a difference, when it comes to VST libraries, plugINs , and recording audio tracks (scratch drive).
B450 motherboards normally only feature 1 native NVME pcie slot. I think that when expanding to a 2nd nvme drive, the PCI 4x add on could be a really good solution.
I wonder if i'd be able to add a 3rd drive to a 8x PCI slot, without losing any bandwidth from any of the drives.
The limits are based on your chipset. Some boards with limited lanes will take away from the x16 slot for the video. In other words, drop it to x8 which often does not make much difference unless you are a gamer.
Mike Faucher thanks for the reply ;)
in deed.. i was thinking along those lines. if i don’t make much use of the GPU, which is the case -> i just need it to have a more stable 2-screen setup, i’m guessing that even if it runs on a 8x lane buffer..it won’t matter much.
yesterday, i was thinking of the Asus x16 pci to nvme card (which is used a lot in NVMe RAID approaches) and thinking that..most ppl that use it, either have a motherboard with two 16x PCIe slots ... or , they are using it to enhance the Read/write/transfer speeds, while losing performance, on the graphics side.
Would you confirm this ?
@@V4D2 Many boards that have two x16 slots have enough lanes to drive both at x16. It just depends on the chipset and the board design. Good luck and let me know what you decide.
@@MikeFaucher thanks Very much for your feedback ;) . Much appreciated it.
This is to be an Audio/Music-Production rig.
I gotta decide between Intel i9 and a more budget (less overkill perhaps) build, with probably a 2700 or 3700 Ryzen 7 AMD .
With the Intel route I might go Hackintosh.
The NVMes are for my system drive, and maybe my VSTs libraries drive.
Thanks again, and yes..I'll let you know of which approach i end up choosing.
Thanks again ;)
I'm currenly running on a pc i built back in 2012ish ddr 3 ram... old AMD FX 6300 etc etc... crappy old GTX 960... im looking to speed up some things before i rebuild in the near future... just curious if you ended trying one of these adapters and if so any good/noticable results? ive maxed out my ram :P Old MSI 970-A G43 Motherboard maxes out at 32gb Ram :P @@V4D2
These are nice to add a M.2 or more than one M.2 to most systems. Just be careful because there are some motherboards that will disable the onboard M.2 if you add another one. I have had this issue with several X99 boards. It will boot the addon card, but won't detect the onboard M.2. If you removed the addon card then it will detect the onboard just fine.
Great point and thanks for posting it.
Used with the right type of motherboard.
Some motherboards don't support Booting from PCI-E.
The SSD is detected, you can see it in BIOS, access it in Windows, but you can't install the OS on it or boot from it.
Thanks for your input, that is pretty much what I have seen as well.
I want to try and mount a laptop cooler to one.
Hey Mike,
thanks for informative video,
I have WD Blue SN550 NVMe SSD of single Notch (i.e M key).
But my laptop is Lenovo Lenovo Ideapad 110. It don't have extra SSD slot. I have to replace my normal HDD with Blue SN550 NVMe SSD. So is there any way or any adapter/converter that will replace my normal HDD with Blue SN550 NVMe SSD.
thanks
Not familiar with that laptop but the process would be to get an NVMe to USB adapter and clone the drive on it. Then remove the original drive and put in the SSD. Just make sure you laptop will accept the NVMe SSD as it may need a standard SSD to do the job. What little I know about the laptop is that it has to have a SATA SSD.
Thanks! I was wondering what this pad is all about, having a different pcie "adapter", yet yyou have that pad too. funnily I do not have any cooling stuff, but still a pad^^
Interesting config.
Interesting, I was under the impression the adapter cards would half the speeds of the standard M.2 slot. Thanks.
No, not if they are hooked into an x4 slot. Effectively they are the same. Thanks for the comment.
Yes there are cards that hook on the PCIe x 1 slot that would half the speed. So make sure you have x4 slot available on your board and buy the right card. Also note some boards have slots from separate additional chips and the speed can differ. Check your board configuration and how populating/signing the slots effects the speeds of the slots across the board.
The Slot Types are called M.2 PCIe and M.2 Sata, nvme is just the Protocoll they are running
Thanks for the reply. There are several types of Keys within the slot that determines compatibility. The most common are M Key devices which are typically PCIe x4 and B+M which are more often Sata or slower PCIe devices. nVme is a different architecture. As you mentioned, M.2 is just a connector but it used for different things. Thanks for the comment and for bringing up the topic.
I have the same adapter as in the video I think. Just fitted the ssd into the adapter using one of the blue squares, however the instructions didn’t say which one to use and I had no idea they were different.
Is there gonna be a problem with it?
Just measure you temperature with a utility and if you are anywhere near what I am running you should be fine. Aprrox 60-75C.
I'm not sure if anybody else may have already suggested this in the comments, but it would have been cool if you maybe first tested the card without the heatsink and then with it to show the difference in temperature AND speed and the advantage with the heatsink vs without. Excellent video, by the way! Thank you! 👍👍😁😁
Arthur Mann Thank you very much. I have tested several of the Samsung drives and they can hit 80+. I should have included that. Great point and thanks for the feedback.
Absolutely cjmillsnun, I bet the pads didn't even hit the front main heat-sink so just waitng to peal off inside
great video
I wanted to ask you if you can use it on an old motherboard asus p5gc-mx1333 with pciex slot the one to install the vga
and make it bootable for O.S.
THANKS
This is a pretty old board. It should work fine in the x16 slot but I have no way of knowing if it will boot from it. You may just have to try it. Sorry I could not be more specific.
@@MikeFaucher Thanks for the quick response
70-80 euros (80-90 $) for a PC assembled in 2007 seem to me too many for a trial, since I will buy a new pc in the new year
I will take an ssd sata III and replace the old hhd that does not exceed 60MB / s in sequential reading at least I get something safe without spending too much
Thanks again
gennaro russiello good plan. Good luck
My bios thought this was a video card and all I got was a black screen will have to see if I can get it just think I I am using the motherboard video if it doesn't work might have find and empty x4 slot if this board has one
what application are you using for the CPU temps?
Aida64. www.aida64.com/
Thanks for this great benchmark comparison! Aside from synthetic benchmark, will a nvme make a difference in everyday use compared to an SSD attached to sata?
Yes. Overall it is much faster. File copies are extremely fast. It will depend on way you do though. For games, not much difference. Video/audio editing, it is a dream.
doesnt improve boot times either
@@MikeFaucher And what about access time? This is actually what most impacts daily usage for a boot drive, I believe there should not be any difference between nvme and sata attached drives
Both have low access times and are not typically measured on benchmarks. The nVME has a speed advantage on transfer so it depends on what type of use you have. Not much difference in gaming but noticeable on video editing.
as expected, it only speeds up storage transfers. Best use case is on servers and perhaps in virtualization for VM responsiveness.
In the package there were 3 thermal pads of different thickness, why?
And Shouldn't the samsung label on the ssd where you applied the thermal pad be removed? thanks
Thanks for the question. The 3 pads are used based on the SSD type. You can put two on the bottom and 1 on the top, or if you have chips on the bottom of you drive then you can put one and one. I did not use the bottom pad as in my case the bottom pads did not fit tightly. As for the label that is your call. It does make a 2-4 degree difference but you void your warranty. On Samsung I have always kept the label on whether I was using it in an adapter or directly on the motherboard. Good questions and thanks for the feedback.
There are 2 types of M.2 NVME
PCIe x4 and PCIe x2
Unfortunately PCIe x2 looks exactly same connector wise as SATA SSD M.2
This needs to be carefully looked at! There was a short period of time circa 2014 when M.2 slots first appeared on motherboards that they were PCIe x2 (i.e. took up two lanes of PCIe). A couple of years ago I upgraded to a Core i7 4790K CPU on a Gigabyte GA-Z97X-Gaming 7 M/B. Its M.2 slot was only PCIe x2, so I looked very hard until I found a PCIe x2 NVME card (rara avis even then). It is my system drive now, and works very well, an Ubuntu 18.04 boot taking only a few seconds. Secondly, the CPU has only 16 PCIe lanes, but there is a secondary controller on the board which provides several more, presumably of lower performance. The M.2 is on this secondary controller, leaving all 16 direct CPU PCIe lanes for my Nvidia Titan GPU card (not used so far). The 4790's integrated graphics gives me all the performance I need on two screens. Really nice system. I put a lot of extra cooling into the system.
Actually, some have a dual key, and some have a single key.
I have the exact same adapter as yours. Also a ROHS. But it did not come with a heat sink. It only came with 2 of those thermal plastic/rubbery blue pads. Do i have to buy a heat sink in order for it not to overheat and throttle and loose performance?
Sounds like they shorted you as it should have come with it
Do you think they will make a benchmark tool will grab the temperature as it runs so you could watch the temps with the test?
NoOneOfConsequence Have not found one yet. I use two separate programs to check mine.
Hello;
Thank you for all you do.
I know this is old now but I think its great.
I've been looking at this for a year or 2 & it may be possible on my mobo, an Asus M5A97 R2.0.
So far I can't any info on doing this on my mobo.
Does Asus have a user's forum-never seen it & been on the site many times.
I may need a new mobo.
Which would have PCIE & M.2 &/or NVMe anyway.
Have a GREAT day, Neighbor!
My guess is it would not boot but should work as a data drive. Thanks.
does it make a difference in temps if you remove the Samsung Logo paper covering, because I don't want to lose my 5 year warranty if I peel it off
Personally I leave mine on. Not worth the extra few degrees. Run it with and see what happens.
you would what lose 5 year warranty just by removing that.
@@asifkaka5052 That is what they claim.
Any idea if this is short enough to fit behind a vertical gpu mount?
No way to tell without seeing you setup. I have never tried it.
You forgot two screws but it's wonderful video I was searching for that .
I have ordered Piplus adaptor from Amazon for my b asus M3A970LER2.0.
Will it work on that Asus?
Let's see.
I will update my experience.
Thanks for the comment and it should work on Asus. Asus boards is pretty much all I run.
I had no problem with heat on my EVO 960 without a heat spreader. Also, when I plugged in a PCIe cart to add an additional NVMe drive, it ran as though it was running with a x2 interface. Maybe it was the BIOS, but the speeds were severely limited. I haven't tested it with my primary drive as a spinner.
The EVO series runs a bit cooler than the Pro so glad to hear you are not having issues. As for running in X2, many motherboards run some of the PCIe at X2 even though they can physically handle X4. Check your MB docs to if it is doing that deliberate and if it can be changed in the BIOS.
@@MikeFaucher I didn't pursue it because the chipset bandwidth would be exceeded by both the motherboard NVMe and the PCIe card NVMe running at their rated speeds.
any difference between When it use Pci-express 16 slot in the games same time with video cards ?
No, there should not be any difference as it actually only uses the 4 lanes even if it is in a x16 slot.
What happened to "6 GB/s" that SATA 3 was supposed to allow? Anyway, about the PCIe card that had no bracket, the best of these for sure, but wasn't that thin thermal pad for the back of the card? IDK. Makes little difference.
6 Gbs = 750 Meg/s - overhead and chip set limitations gets you around 575. That is about the best from SATA 3.
I have an 1155 socket asrock z77 pro motherboard. How do you know if you can boot from a pci-e 3.0 nvme slot using the nvme? All comments welcome. Thanks in advance.
Some have successfully got it to work by using a modified BIOS code which I personally would not do. It should work fine as a second drive.
Can you please tell me that doing the will not effect the video card speed in any way by having to share lanes? Thanks in advance for your reply.
The truth is it depends on your motherboard and how many cards/lanes you are using. If you are using a current motherboard with a single graphics you should not see any degradation. You can run a benchmark to confirm. If you have stuff in every slot and are running two M.2 nVME drives, there may be a slight decrease (5-10%). I am actually going to be loading my system with 2 M.2 SSDs, 1 PCI-e 10g card, and this SSD expansion card, along with the existing GTX 2070 that is in there now. I will do a short video on the results in the couple of weeks.
@@knuckles1006 On that board, the second x16 card shares with the other PCI slots and USB. I do not believe it will slow down the graphics at all but the nVME may run slower as it "may" slow to a x1 or x2 depending peripherals. Get a benchmark program and test the system out first, then put in the card and test it again. Then test the nVME drive using ATTO and see what you get. My guess is that you may see slightly reduced speed only on the nVME (but it is hard to say how much till you test it), not the graphics. I hope that helps.
the system exposes shared data lanes to balance work between peripheral extensions.
The time not spent pushing data In&Out of a "slow" storage drive can then be used productively.
The efficiency gets improved by saving on Latencies from cache buffer to storage with faster throughput.
Would be conflicts are arbitrated by system I/O priorities: the disk quota always comes ahead of video time slot. Everything else is up to the driver to deliver efficient transfers.
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These are nice and I've been looking at the dual and quad cards but they need x16 lanes that the graphics card uses. To beat that you need a $1000 motherboard and $1500 CPU . This optiion is nice but you can also put that single NVME in a pigtail USB-C pictail adapter and just let it hang out a port if you're only going to use one.
You might look at this one. I have been running this for a while. ruclips.net/video/PAYferQDwTo/видео.html
@@MikeFaucher After you use up the x16 most other PCIe slots are only left with a x4 slot, at least mine is. I think I would only be able to see 1 of those M.2's on that board, if any at all. Even the B570 or B590 motherboards don't allow any x8 slots after using the first slot at x16 mode. It's not going to be an option until the x299 or TRX40's boards come down below a $800 and the chips sets too. Maybe the end of next year when something twice as fast is available and those NVME 's are half priced too. The only other option is to go with a x1 video card and nVidia is going to stop supporting the only one left in October, the GT 710.
@@jimbrannan5825 Depends on the chipset. Mine is running a x16 and a x8 on a asus hero.
How do you set this up as the boot drive? I’m making a budget build which will only have this as the sole storage drive.
Current systems will just see it as a drive and you install on it.
I have an old MSI x58 Platinum SLI motherboard from 2008, can I make it boot Windows 10 from this drive adapter?
Not 100% sure but I do not think so.