My 1923 ex-dragoon hex barrel Mosin was converted to M91/30 Mosin-Nagant and has a PU scope that’s perfectly aligned out to 1300 meters on my PU scope dial! Also have 1938 without scope and it shoots AWSOME with just iron sites.
Good video on the basics. Not many out there.If you want to set your scope up like a genuine PU sniper, at 100m the reticle should be roughly a 1/3 of the way down from the top at the most. Don't remember the exact distance when the reticle is centered? It's about 300m-400m?I would have to dig my genuine original PU out of the safe. No matter. Most guys like their scope reticle centered where they shoot the most anyway. On a genuine Russian PU mount one or sometimes both of the "pair of opposed screws" are peened in place. That way the original scope setting from the Russian factory is never lost.I have three PU snipers, only one is all original from the factory in 1943. It doesn't lose it's windage from 50y to 500y. Amazing accuracy!When I calibrated my other PU's I simply put the scope from my original PU onto the other rifles and ground the two long contact point down to give me the correct windage.Same as elevation. I adjusted the opposing screws to have the point of impact right at 100y. I'm very fortunate to have an all original PU.One very good point you didn't cover Mike, is that you should grind very slowly. Take very little off at a time.Shoot your rifle at 50m. Adjust the windage to hit dead center. Then 100m. If it holds center go out to 200m, then 300m. If it doesn't hold windage from 50m to at least 200m your scope base is not aligned with your barrel. Shim or grind a very little amount off and repeat. It's worth taking the time to get this correct. The Russian standard during the war was 100m to 800m. They were masters at building sniper rifles. Anyhow good video.
Thanks Bloke. I have a real Russian rifle with a real Russian PU scope mounted. I was not quite sure how to adjust the windage. The elevation adjustment is obvious. I have had this set up for years and never really fiddled with the mount to zero the windage on the scope. Now this will probably make you sick. I bought the 91/30 ar a gun show and did not really know what I had. I got a deal on the Russian PU scope and took it to gunsmith to have it mounted. Research on the gun revealed that what I had was a Finnish capture Mosin Nagant 91/30. But I learn this after I had had the scope mounted. So, is it a real Russian sniper rifle? Well, yes and no. Yes, it is a Russian rifle and a Russian PU scope. No it was not made into a sniper by the Russian of Finns. But it is cool!
I would like to see a run and gun with a Remington or Westinghouse 1917 Mosin Nagant, every one I have ever seen has a super slick bolt and are much better than the average Mosin I see on the rack.
Nice video. A PU sniper was my first gun. I should have started with something a bit easier. Mine needed a lot of adjustment. I recommend cutting up coke cans for the shims. I also recommend setting the site where you want it and the working with the screw and shims to get it where you have the scope set to. I've also thought about doing a little video on it.
As you demonstrated the mechanics of sighting in the scope you have the process reversed… the windage adjustment should be done first and then the elevation. If you attempt the evaluation first you will be in a constant state of elevation change and correction while attempting to establish the windage. You will inevitably file just a hair more off of one tab and then the other causing the sight to tilt back and forth and the screws will have more and less tension on the mount. If you can establish the windage first you can then level the scope so your reticle is straight up and down to keep you shots from shifting left or right as you use the drums for elevation once the process is completed. - next, it will be much easier to establish the mechanical elevation with the mount. Once you have established mechanical zero with the mount use thread lock on the upper screw to prevent it from shifting when the lower screw is tightened or loosened… then move to completing you fine zeroing process with the windage and elevation drums and use the screws on the drum caps to set the scales to the achieved zero point…
to set-up a Moissan first take a spirit level clamp the gun and level it ; then level your mounts so that it is aligned With the bore; mount your PU SCOPE and secure. With a bore alignment tool zero your scope using a rifle sleigh fire 3 shots at 110 mtrs Russian measurements equate 110 ml to 100 mtrs circle the group and centre reticules, use nail polish or lock tight on screws let sit for 10 mins and check zero /scope alignment.
Great video as always Bloke, but man....please be a little more careful with thw tools haha. You put at least three visible marks on that rifle's stock finish, using that screwdriver
Does your rifle have to be drilled and tapped to add one of the Reproduction scope/ mount on it? Because I would maybe add one if it didn't ruin the original gun
Be on the lookout for ex-mosins that have those holes filled back in with metal, i've seen a handful of them for sale in various places. I personally know a few people who buy those and drill them out to make the ex-snipers into snipers again.
if you do decide to turn a 91/30 into a re-pro P/U (like mine) make sure yours is a high wall receiver or you won't have enough real estate for the mount to fit.
For most milsurp guns I'd agree with you, but the m91/30 is the most mass produced bolt rifle in the world clocking in at over 37 million units. If it's a standard 91/30 it's not like you're desecrating some priceless history peace, most of them just sat in a warehouse. Go ahead and add a PU scope! It's not like you're bubba'ing it after all.
does anyone actually use the bdc with the pu scope i noticed when you have the elevation turret at 1 for 100m the reticle is really high up it doesnt get to the middle untill the elevation turret is at 900 at least for me
Just put one together with no video. figured out everything on my own and it matches the video. just came to watch one to see if I should put blue thread locker on the screws.
This isn’t making sense to me. I’m shooting really high and the mount seems to be pivoted all the way down in the back (top screw threaded very deep). He’s saying the solution to shooting high is to pivot the back of the scope down? AKA: by tightening the top screw? I might have this backwards. I’m not very smart. TLDR: My Mosin is shooting way high, do I need to tighten or loosen the top screw
do the one shot zero. take one shot aiming at the bullseye from a rest, then put the reticle back where you were aiming. look through the scope while turning the adjustment knobs, and put the reticle on the bullet hole. done.
ok i have an original pu scope when i turn the scope up or down the post slightly moves left or right depending on if i am moving it up or down anyone know how i can fix this ? its just very slightly but at 200 yards it throws the rifle off by alot / if i had to guess i would have to think that inside the scope the screw that connects to the up and down turret either has a burr or the hole that that screw goes into that pulls the redical up and down could be ovaled i am scared to take it apart anyone have any suggestions
yes you can use the iron sights under it you just cant use stripper clips while the scope is on the gun / the PEM sniper model of the mosin you cant use the irons as it is mounted more like how modern scopes are mounted but the PU sniper like the one in this video was made more like a dmr set up where a soldier could go to his iron sights for close targets if things happened quickly and they didnt have time to dial their scope back down or what ever but yeah you can use irons with the PU set up
Is your reticle actually moving to the left and right? Or is the scope mount not aligned with the barrel? That would make your scope shoot om center at 100m and be off windage wise at 200m
no it like jumps around like the actual redical in the scope its hard to describe what it does but like as i start to turn it up or down it visibly jumps to the left or right depending on if its up or down like just slightly as i put pressue to turn up or down it jumps like say 6 inches or more at 100 yards maybe more really i took scope off of the gun going to replace it entirely would probly cost more to fix the one i have then to either buy a cheap replica or buy an original
ted now that you say it, a lot of what I have been hearing has been completely shilling- could you elaborate more on your opinion? I’d like to know if my initial gut feeling was what you’re talking about.
ModestestMouse TFB Is owned by what is more or less a conglomerate of web based media sites, and their business model is to monetize the shit out of any and all content which is fine, but they do it at the expense of covering the truth about products. Ie how they refused to report on honor guard defense pistols being extremely not drop safe. They also play shenanigans with their staff, the editor in chief won't even disclose his real name on the website or in blog posts. Also notice how their videos are now basically digital Bill boards.
Who cares who's paying him? The Bloke's providing his usual great content without any real influence from TFB, meaning we're basically getting double the Bloke on the Range content than we'd be getting otherwise. It's not like all of a sudden he started running around with Glocks or anything: he's still just working with his cool old guns. I'm glad TFB took him on, because he does offer a nice change of pace from a lot of their usual content.
very informative a lot more adjustment than I would have thought very little reason not to get sighted in.
My 1923 ex-dragoon hex barrel Mosin was converted to M91/30 Mosin-Nagant and has a PU scope that’s perfectly aligned out to 1300 meters on my PU scope dial! Also have 1938 without scope and it shoots AWSOME with just iron sites.
Bloke featured on a TFB video, this feels slightly alien.
jitteryuser he works with them he's been in multiple videos
Hey Vsauce, Michael here. How do mosin scope mounts work
Good video on the basics. Not many out there.If you want to set your scope up like a genuine PU sniper, at 100m the reticle should be roughly a 1/3 of the way down from the top at the most. Don't remember the exact distance when the reticle is centered? It's about 300m-400m?I would have to dig my genuine original PU out of the safe. No matter. Most guys like their scope reticle centered where they shoot the most anyway. On a genuine Russian PU mount one or sometimes both of the "pair of opposed screws" are peened in place. That way the original scope setting from the Russian factory is never lost.I have three PU snipers, only one is all original from the factory in 1943. It doesn't lose it's windage from 50y to 500y. Amazing accuracy!When I calibrated my other PU's I simply put the scope from my original PU onto the other rifles and ground the two long contact point down to give me the correct windage.Same as elevation. I adjusted the opposing screws to have the point of impact right at 100y. I'm very fortunate to have an all original PU.One very good point you didn't cover Mike, is that you should grind very slowly. Take very little off at a time.Shoot your rifle at 50m. Adjust the windage to hit dead center. Then 100m. If it holds center go out to 200m, then 300m. If it doesn't hold windage from 50m to at least 200m your scope base is not aligned with your barrel. Shim or grind a very little amount off and repeat. It's worth taking the time to get this correct. The Russian standard during the war was 100m to 800m. They were masters at building sniper rifles. Anyhow good video.
Thanks Bloke. I have a real Russian rifle with a real Russian PU scope mounted. I was not quite sure how to adjust the windage. The elevation adjustment is obvious. I have had this set up for years and never really fiddled with the mount to zero the windage on the scope. Now this will probably make you sick. I bought the 91/30 ar a gun show and did not really know what I had. I got a deal on the Russian PU scope and took it to gunsmith to have it mounted. Research on the gun revealed that what I had was a Finnish capture Mosin Nagant 91/30. But I learn this after I had had the scope mounted. So, is it a real Russian sniper rifle? Well, yes and no. Yes, it is a Russian rifle and a Russian PU scope. No it was not made into a sniper by the Russian of Finns. But it is cool!
for a shim you could probably just buy a feeler gauge set, and break off the optimal one in there
still love my Mosin P/U (re-pro) great video, keep Mosin videos coming!!
I would like to see a run and gun with a Remington or Westinghouse 1917 Mosin Nagant, every one I have ever seen has a super slick bolt and are much better than the average Mosin I see on the rack.
Great information to have as not much info is available on the set up and adjustments of the PU scopes and mounts.
Nice video. A PU sniper was my first gun. I should have started with something a bit easier. Mine needed a lot of adjustment. I recommend cutting up coke cans for the shims. I also recommend setting the site where you want it and the working with the screw and shims to get it where you have the scope set to. I've also thought about doing a little video on it.
Great video, sir.
always nice to see bloke elsewhere, and in the new studio ;)
Thank you so much. This was exactly the information that I needed.
Can you do a video on how to mount it from step one, please? I just ordered my own mosin scope just like yours.
As you demonstrated the mechanics of sighting in the scope you have the process reversed… the windage adjustment should be done first and then the elevation. If you attempt the evaluation first you will be in a constant state of elevation change and correction while attempting to establish the windage. You will inevitably file just a hair more off of one tab and then the other causing the sight to tilt back and forth and the screws will have more and less tension on the mount. If you can establish the windage first you can then level the scope so your reticle is straight up and down to keep you shots from shifting left or right as you use the drums for elevation once the process is completed. - next, it will be much easier to establish the mechanical elevation with the mount. Once you have established mechanical zero with the mount use thread lock on the upper screw to prevent it from shifting when the lower screw is tightened or loosened… then move to completing you fine zeroing process with the windage and elevation drums and use the screws on the drum caps to set the scales to the achieved zero point…
Big piece of Russian sniper history from ww II including many well known women snipers. Great stories about them...
to set-up a Moissan first take a spirit level clamp the gun and level it ; then level your mounts so that it is aligned With the bore; mount your PU SCOPE and secure. With a bore alignment tool zero your scope using a rifle sleigh fire 3 shots at 110 mtrs Russian measurements equate 110 ml to 100 mtrs circle the group and centre reticules, use nail polish or lock tight on screws let sit for 10 mins and check zero /scope alignment.
Great video as always Bloke, but man....please be a little more careful with thw tools haha. You put at least three visible marks on that rifle's stock finish, using that screwdriver
Thank you!
Excellent advice....thank you.
LEGEND !!!!
Does your rifle have to be drilled and tapped to add one of the Reproduction scope/ mount on it? Because I would maybe add one if it didn't ruin the original gun
Yondaime451 man that sucks
Be on the lookout for ex-mosins that have those holes filled back in with metal, i've seen a handful of them for sale in various places. I personally know a few people who buy those and drill them out to make the ex-snipers into snipers again.
Bush Did 411 it's a mosin who cares
if you do decide to turn a 91/30 into a re-pro P/U (like mine) make sure yours is a high wall receiver or you won't have enough real estate for the mount to fit.
For most milsurp guns I'd agree with you, but the m91/30 is the most mass produced bolt rifle in the world clocking in at over 37 million units. If it's a standard 91/30 it's not like you're desecrating some priceless history peace, most of them just sat in a warehouse. Go ahead and add a PU scope! It's not like you're bubba'ing it after all.
does anyone actually use the bdc with the pu scope i noticed when you have the elevation turret at 1 for 100m the reticle is really high up it doesnt get to the middle untill the elevation turret is at 900 at least for me
Just put one together with no video. figured out everything on my own and it matches the video. just came to watch one to see if I should put blue thread locker on the screws.
spot on, thank you
How much does the mount and scope cost, and where is a good place to buy, both?
I have an Ex sniper which is like to convert back as a sniper. any suggestions on where I can buy a real scope and mount?
So how does the PSO-1(the other Mosin sniper scope) mount work?
There never were PSOs on Mosins. There were PEs and PEMs.
Good information.
Mike, are you gonna be at SHOT?
Will it hold zero when dismounted the scope for transport?
I still think I'm going to get some instruction and lots of time at the indoor range to get this done right.
Donald Denton it’s not hard man. Just bring out your inner engineer
So is there only one scope for the Mosin?
Can I adapt it to a different rifle?
Did Alex already try to shoot you with the Mauser
I got the exact same scope but the question for me is, is it real? could somebody tell?
This isn’t making sense to me. I’m shooting really high and the mount seems to be pivoted all the way down in the back (top screw threaded very deep). He’s saying the solution to shooting high is to pivot the back of the scope down? AKA: by tightening the top screw?
I might have this backwards. I’m not very smart.
TLDR: My Mosin is shooting way high, do I need to tighten or loosen the top screw
Should be tighten. You want the back of the scope to go down
Thx boss.
do the one shot zero. take one shot aiming at the bullseye from a rest, then put the reticle back where you were aiming. look through the scope while turning the adjustment knobs, and put the reticle on the bullet hole. done.
Can I convert a normal Mosin into a Pu sniper?
Looks like a carcono
I just bought a Mosin Nagant and I want to make it my new deer rifle. I want to mount a modern scope on it for say
Liberty or Death pls dont
put a scout scope on it then.
Bloke why are you on BTV
never really had the desire to get a nugget.
zachary roach same
Commissar Danilov
YOU'RE NAME IS MIKE??
I have high opinion of a mosin but it can be trash sometimes i prefer the Russian 1896 ussualy
Vsauce Michael?
URSS Stronk.
ok i have an original pu scope when i turn the scope up or down the post slightly moves left or right depending on if i am moving it up or down anyone know how i can fix this ? its just very slightly but at 200 yards it throws the rifle off by alot / if i had to guess i would have to think that inside the scope the screw that connects to the up and down turret either has a burr or the hole that that screw goes into that pulls the redical up and down could be ovaled i am scared to take it apart anyone have any suggestions
yes you can use the iron sights under it you just cant use stripper clips while the scope is on the gun / the PEM sniper model of the mosin you cant use the irons as it is mounted more like how modern scopes are mounted but the PU sniper like the one in this video was made more like a dmr set up where a soldier could go to his iron sights for close targets if things happened quickly and they didnt have time to dial their scope back down or what ever but yeah you can use irons with the PU set up
Is your reticle actually moving to the left and right? Or is the scope mount not aligned with the barrel? That would make your scope shoot om center at 100m and be off windage wise at 200m
Maybe the scope might be slightly canted in the mount?
no it like jumps around like the actual redical in the scope its hard to describe what it does but like as i start to turn it up or down it visibly jumps to the left or right depending on if its up or down like just slightly as i put pressue to turn up or down it jumps like say 6 inches or more at 100 yards maybe more really i took scope off of the gun going to replace it entirely would probly cost more to fix the one i have then to either buy a cheap replica or buy an original
Mmm..long range moist nugget
FIRST garbage Rod comment!! Lol
Another channel absolutely dead silent on the ATF about to ban semiauto firearms. Absolutely disgraceful.
Yeah, the ATF and Democrats are gonna fuck us over
CoD 2 Anyone ?
Hahaha, mine is the first comment!
Blue Turtle Shell
STFU
georgejohnsmith Hahahaha, no it's not!
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nyet....rifle is well....still shit.
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Mike have some integrity and stop working for a bunch of unethical shills
ted now that you say it, a lot of what I have been hearing has been completely shilling- could you elaborate more on your opinion? I’d like to know if my initial gut feeling was what you’re talking about.
ModestestMouse TFB Is owned by what is more or less a conglomerate of web based media sites, and their business model is to monetize the shit out of any and all content which is fine, but they do it at the expense of covering the truth about products. Ie how they refused to report on honor guard defense pistols being extremely not drop safe. They also play shenanigans with their staff, the editor in chief won't even disclose his real name on the website or in blog posts. Also notice how their videos are now basically digital Bill boards.
Right! I hate it when people shill for products out of Izvesk’s 1943 catalogue!
Who cares who's paying him? The Bloke's providing his usual great content without any real influence from TFB, meaning we're basically getting double the Bloke on the Range content than we'd be getting otherwise. It's not like all of a sudden he started running around with Glocks or anything: he's still just working with his cool old guns. I'm glad TFB took him on, because he does offer a nice change of pace from a lot of their usual content.
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