When You Can't Say "NO!" - Fawn Response (Peopling)

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  • Опубликовано: 15 окт 2024
  • All of us, some of the time, have trouble saying no to people. We feel obliged, intimidated, too tired to argue - any number of things... but what happens when it becomes a habit?
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  • @Autistamatic
    @Autistamatic  11 месяцев назад +24

    The first of a new strand looking at more general topics that frequently get mentioned in other videos and deserve further exploration.

  • @ThatWeirdLady2519
    @ThatWeirdLady2519 11 месяцев назад +34

    I've been trying not to fawn any more. I'm learning to be more assertive and not let people walk all over me.

    • @anniestumpy9918
      @anniestumpy9918 11 месяцев назад +3

      I'm trying too and I'm succeeding a little bit. But it's hard work not falling into the old patterns constantly...

    • @ThatWeirdLady2519
      @ThatWeirdLady2519 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@anniestumpy9918 I agree. It is difficult but we just have to take it a step at a time and learn as we go. I've gotten so much stronger in my sense of self and having boundaries. It just takes time and patience with yourself. Don't get discouraged!

    • @E.Hunter.Esquire
      @E.Hunter.Esquire 4 месяца назад

      I feel like it's not as much about assertiveness as it is about power dynamics. The reason I say this is because I'm super assertive, generally, but still fall into it with employers, doctors, etc. I feel like the more social say-so someone has, or seems to have, the harder it is to say no to them because the consequences are greater (your boss can fire you albeit illegally). If it's just am average everyday person, I never have any difficulty. Of course this is only from my experience and perspective, and I can't speak for others... is my experience different from yours (anyone here)?
      For context, yes I'm clinically dx ASD.

  • @Mantras-and-Mystics
    @Mantras-and-Mystics 11 месяцев назад +29

    Fawned and fawned until I couldn't bear the incongruency of what I was feeling in my body - with what was coming out of my mouth. I literally felt ill.

    • @anniestumpy9918
      @anniestumpy9918 11 месяцев назад +11

      Me too! It was the only tactic that I knew in stressful situations. But at some point I noticed that it did not feel right _physically_, exactly as you said.
      I assume it has to to with a huge amount of stress hormones that build up and can't be gotten rid of (because the healthy reaction would be some kind of outburst which can feel quite freeing, and we rob ourselves of that release)

    • @moondvst4131
      @moondvst4131 2 месяца назад

      Same

  • @cortisolsoup
    @cortisolsoup 11 месяцев назад +8

    my special fawning move is the ol’ attempt-therapy-on-the-spot 5000

  • @thelifester
    @thelifester 10 месяцев назад +1

    This is the first time I have heard of FAWNING. Thank you

  • @Sad_Bumper_Sticker
    @Sad_Bumper_Sticker 8 месяцев назад +3

    After years of abusive parents and partners where I was trained into never questioning abuse - even questioning or pointing out abuse was followed by more abuse and gaslighting and ridicule and shaming me- so as an adult I fawn out of fear with stranger or colleages.
    I spoke to trauma therapists and I understood my reaction is AUTOMATIC and DISSOCIATIVE where I allow my boundaries to be crossed / I disregard my psychological needs / I am too accomodating and people pleasing. But for me the fawning is an uncontrollable social anxiety automatic response.
    Therapy or educating myself on trauma responses hasn’t helped so I isolate and avoid any human interaction as much as possible.

    • @autistuck3688
      @autistuck3688 7 месяцев назад

      I 1000% understand this. Too much. I’m sorry, I feel your pain in a big way❤

  • @SergioBlackDolphin
    @SergioBlackDolphin 11 месяцев назад +10

    My gosh, the story of my life, and even today I spent all today to deal with myself and not to fall into fawning with a couple of abusive women who use guilt as a way to make me stop things I have to do to ensure I protect my assett!

  • @SunShine2024-t2w
    @SunShine2024-t2w День назад

    Thank you for this video.Recently diagnosed at 67 and fawning has been such a negative and destructive element in my life.Much appreciated

  • @simonslistening
    @simonslistening 9 месяцев назад +1

    A lot of energy trying to change the boundaries and nature of our relationships or stop seeing someone as a threat who weve appeased with fawning

  • @RaunienTheFirst
    @RaunienTheFirst 11 месяцев назад +5

    I usually default to fight, although if I'm taken by surprise and fear overwhelms me, I freeze. I rarely flee or fawn. My default to fight is, I believe, related to my strong sense of right and wrong and strong sense of justice. I'm more than happy to fight a losing battle just to make a point. Even outside of instinctive responses, I will keep fighting even it seems pointless. I once kept an argument with an old landlord going for almost a year before I finally won and got the deposit back. Even after my wife had told me to let it go.
    She, on the other hand, defaults to fawning. It's interesting that you brought up a book on PTSD as she has cPTSD. She's had successful therapy and no longer meets the diagnostic criteria, but obviously the trauma is still there and I've been subtly working over the years to build up her self-confidence and her willingness to consider her own needs. We've made some progress. She used to let employers and colleagues walk all over her and she asserts herself a bit more now, but her instinctive response to excessive or unfair demands is still "yes and" when a healthy answer is "no because".

  • @LilChuunosuke
    @LilChuunosuke 10 месяцев назад +4

    I have a deeply conditioned fawn response and I have mixed feelings about it. On one hand, it is regularly exploited by others in order to control me and deprive me of my autonomy by scaring me into submission whenever I attempt to stand up for myself.
    On the other hand, my fawn response has saved me many times in many ways. I've been told when my fawn response kicks in, I have the sad, desperate look of a wet puppy abandoned on the side of the road. I have been called emotionally manipulative by people who attempted to do me harm that succumbed to the gaze. It has saved me from emotional blackmail, physical violence, eviction, firing, disciplinary action, etc. I wish it was easier for me to stand up for myself instead of always defaulting to submission, but I can see how my life circumstances caused me to develop and improve this survival skill.
    Also some of the sound effects in this video made me jump. 😭 it was very good and informative otherwise though

  • @Cglay-fw5ti
    @Cglay-fw5ti 11 месяцев назад +9

    Would be great to see you dive into/disect polyvagal theory, somatic experiencing and IFS therapy, and how these can relate to Autistic healing. I honestly feel like these can save the lives (quality) of SOO many ND folk

  • @karenyendall7511
    @karenyendall7511 2 месяца назад +2

    As a late identified high masking female autistic with ADHD, my experience of fawning has been intrinsic to (inadvertent) masking and trying to fit in.
    By unconsciously suppressing my authentic impulses and reactions, while feining the appearance of what I think are acceptable modes of conduct, I've never actually had awareness of, or access to my real needs, limits and boundaries.
    The real me was so very buried and out of reach.
    Therefore it makes sense that fawning would be the only option available to me, to make sense of the world and relationships, and as a survival strategy to avoid psychic/psychological exile and death.

  • @robertjohnburton9775
    @robertjohnburton9775 11 месяцев назад +4

    The price is too high. There is another way, force them to react by ignoring them or walking away. I will NOT please people at any costs, the world is full of immature childish people. Good video, I like your glasses.

  • @Liza-ch6wh
    @Liza-ch6wh 3 месяца назад +1

    Thank you for the logical and clear and structured and detailed explanation. You save my live with every video

  • @Cocoanutty0
    @Cocoanutty0 11 месяцев назад +4

    I always default to fawn with a tinge or freeze. Never fight or flight.
    Also you sound like the narrator from the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy, which is very soothing and lovely 😊

  • @theresjer
    @theresjer 11 месяцев назад +5

    I think it's possible a fawn behavior can be arrived at to otherwise preempt one's own unbalanced and destructive fight response

  • @robscovell5951
    @robscovell5951 11 месяцев назад +3

    I developed this model years ago but I called it fight, flight or bond. I didn't know an expert had developed something similar. Fawning is an attempt at bonding using masking.

  • @AutisticAwakeActivist
    @AutisticAwakeActivist 11 месяцев назад +4

    And literal burn out or meltdown

  • @candycrystalpremium
    @candycrystalpremium 3 месяца назад +1

    "We are expected to concede if this issue arises again"
    Yeah. This resonates with me so hard.
    I really feel hurt and angry. I'm not sure how long its gonna take to process all these intense emotions.

  • @kmcq692
    @kmcq692 9 месяцев назад +2

    Power gained by shifting the balance of needs. But temporary. And dangerous. Ugh. It’s crazy annoying.

  • @autiejedi5857
    @autiejedi5857 11 месяцев назад +4

    Excellent explanation of this topic! Thanks Quinn 💜

  • @kathryngreaves432
    @kathryngreaves432 4 месяца назад

    Omg yes i do this its awful I hate it. It's like I actually can't say no often. Quin are absolutely amazing. It's like you have all the answers. There are so many things I have learnt from you that I do and I never knew they were a thing or had a name. I was fawning at work because I felt bullied.

  • @AutisticAwakeActivist
    @AutisticAwakeActivist 11 месяцев назад +1

    Love the Quinn man at the beginning. Me n you have such similar in beliefs in autism and our treatment.

  • @E.Hunter.Esquire
    @E.Hunter.Esquire 4 месяца назад +1

    'Predatory beasties' though lol

  • @marieugorek5917
    @marieugorek5917 11 месяцев назад +1

    Yes! More of this.
    Can't wait to see the rest of the peopling videos... and then to get them required of all k-12/pre-uni education.

  • @misterprofessor5038
    @misterprofessor5038 10 месяцев назад +1

    I don't know about fawning so much but I used to be a lot more open and honest about my limitations and vulnerabilities only to be met with the same exploitative attitude that you demonstrated in the video. I'm older now and am much less inclined to talk about myself. PDA would best outline my attitude in social situation: closed, agitated, dismissive.

  • @jongranada
    @jongranada 11 месяцев назад +2

    This was great! Looking forward to the next video!

  • @Elizabethpepper8
    @Elizabethpepper8 9 месяцев назад +1

    The most cruical aspect to understand about fawning is the fact that it is subconscious. A person's amygdala will cycle through the different trauma reaponses during threat and will remember to utilize whichever is successful in obtaining safety and attachment. Not realizing this destoys a person's confidence and self esteem. Theyll feel weak, stupid, bad, confused, etc. For example, a sexual assault victim who go along deapite not wanting too.
    In a society that claims and protrays the idea of being victim focused, its astounding that the fawn response is so rarely recongized. An abusive relationship where the fawner attempts to obtain help and safety are not believed and seen as compliant. Socoety understands the psychology behind an aggressor's behaviour, so why are fawner's not met with the same level of understanding?

  • @mrsm6727
    @mrsm6727 11 месяцев назад +1

    Great video as always, Quinn! Have a good weekend 😊

  • @PeteLittle1970
    @PeteLittle1970 11 месяцев назад

    Really interesting. I'd never heard of fawn response before so I've learnt something new.

  • @aspidoscelis
    @aspidoscelis 10 месяцев назад +1

    The "four F's" that I know are in the context of evolutionary biology, the behaviors that occupy the most of the attention of animals: fighting, fleeing, feeding, and reproduction.

  • @BilalMuneer-d4z
    @BilalMuneer-d4z 11 месяцев назад

    Good to see you active again Quinn! Loving your work.

  • @Silverlarkspur87
    @Silverlarkspur87 9 месяцев назад

    I heard that there are yet 2 more responses; the Flop or faint response, and the Fine response. The former is self explanatory, and the latter is simply ignoring the threat or pretending the threat is OK (like the cartoon dog sitting at the table while the house is burning down around him yet he is thinking "this is fine".)

  • @melissamiller2696
    @melissamiller2696 11 месяцев назад +1

    I like you, Quinn.

  • @augiegirl1
    @augiegirl1 11 месяцев назад +1

    4:45 Is that an Italian Wall Lizard? I live in Topeka, KS, & we have a large population of these ADORABLE lizards that were introduced 50-60 years ago. The property that my husband & I own has 3 families of them, & I LOVE to take pictures of them! Plus, they DEFINITELY help control the bugs!

    • @melissamiller2696
      @melissamiller2696 11 месяцев назад +1

      I wonder what indigenous species it replaced and if that rendered them extinct. Or maybe it just filled an unused niche?

  • @sonicfan82
    @sonicfan82 11 месяцев назад

    Blue and yellow are really nice colours to use, they go really well together. have you ever thought about using pink magenta or teal.
    These are only ideas

  • @clairewatts4934
    @clairewatts4934 11 месяцев назад

    Hmmmm suspicious RUclips gave me an amtrak train add on this video 😂

  • @AscendtoB
    @AscendtoB 11 месяцев назад +9

    Isn’t this how demanding capitalism is towards a lot us in society

    • @theresjer
      @theresjer 11 месяцев назад +2

      Easier to go along, eh

    • @Danuxsy
      @Danuxsy 11 месяцев назад

      Yes that is why such a large percentage of autistic people are unemployed or have trouble keeping their job. Your employee (unless you've told them) assumes you're a typical person and can handle the same tasks as everyone else, I've kept saying "yea I can do that no problem." over and over but after a few months I can feel myself falling apart and the anxiety is just insane, impacting both my wellbeing and work performance which forces me to quit or be fired.

  • @BooBooBugalugs
    @BooBooBugalugs 8 дней назад

    I hate the word, "Fawn!" I would prefer a better word. Any ideas?

  • @Dwamak
    @Dwamak 11 месяцев назад +1

  • @judylandry302
    @judylandry302 11 месяцев назад

    Isn't fawning the same response that people have used in regards to organized religion, and education for centuries?
    "Believe in what we tell you to believe!!! You will be tested!
    Don't ask questions or challenge the status quo.

  • @MaryKDayPetrano
    @MaryKDayPetrano 9 месяцев назад

    I would like to get your response to this U.S. Dept. of Defense paid research to "cure" Autism and turn us Neurotypical.