What Went Wrong for Mick Schumacher in Formula 1?
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Mick was inconsistent but so were the Haas cars from race to race which is very difficult for a young driver. I hope he gets another chance.
Hahahaha!
*eyes De Vries*
@@LathropLdST he's older with much more motorsport experience, can't really compare
@@cesarfly9474 Still surprises me he is 27
@@zNoah yeah, he looks like 18 or 20 lol
@@LathropLdST Atleast Mick wasn't yeeted out mid-season.
What went wrong for Mick was joining Haas. Although I wouldn’t say Mick is great, I would’ve given him 1 more season. Haas’s behavior towards Mick has been strange and it was evident that they wanted to aggressively get rid of him for the longest time.
Obvious.
He was a Ferrari imposition, not their pick.
I think most of people don't realize how short on money Haas is. The last thing they need is a driver costing millions in repair costs.
You do know that Haas has a very limited budget
@@Drakewyrm they could also earn more money by scoring more points with doing a proper strategy, not having reliability issues, and also not having Kmag destroy their chances by ruining a front wing on lap 1.
Haas are on a limited budget but it’s not fully on Mick costing them 5mil. They could very well be P6 in the championship if they played their cards right, but they didn’t.
@@Drakewyrm I'm definitely aware. I just thought that the whole crash argument didn't hold much weight since the early crashes have been quite some time ago but I also just remembered that Mick crashed in Suzuka Practice. Although with the MoneyGram sponsor I'm curious on how Haas is doing financially now
The thing with Mick's case is that him being paired with Nikita in his first season didn't give us a real image of how good he actually was. With the arrival of KMag, he seems to be suddenly overmatched and that makes him look really bad out of the blue.
yeah and its sad cuz he didnt really learned anything from nikita and thats bad he improved this year thanks to kev
I mean the Haas both he and Mazepin got for their rookie seasons were among some of the most fucking atrocious F1 cars to ever be allowed on the grid tbh. I genuinely count this year as his rookie year because the old car was neigh undrivable. Period.
Imagine Lewis or Max in last year's Haas. That car wasn't as terrible as Mick and Mazespin made it look.
I disagree. Latter half of this season he's been a solid racer who has been pretty consistent in his racing ability.
excuses, formula one is the harshest sport i’ve ever seen in my life. they’ll find any excuse to throw you out for the guy who’s hot atm
It seems as if Steiner can't foster a culture of harmony within a team (for instance, the Magnussen-Grosjean era). I think Hulkenberg's arrival will cause drama and expose Steiner's shortcomings as a team principal.
Yep exactly on point.
If they have a great car like in Bahrain, we will see a great result.
Binnoto and Ferrari is what went wrong in the first place, Mick supposed to be Alfa Romeo driver but Ferrari shitty politics want Gio to stay just because he is italian, it doesn't help either the facts when Mick went into Haas he was paired with shitty driver like Mazepin who also have terrible behavior, then when Mick finally have capable car for scoring points there are Gunether who is the most toxic shit team principal who talking crap about Mick in the public whenever there are every chances for it. Mick situation is much more complex than what people would think but one thing for sure he already showed his potential and why he deserves F1 seat not because of his surname but because the talent he has like when Mick fighting with Max or Lewis in inferior car.
@@thejaiz8564 it doesn't matter how good the points and car, a team principal who cant forster a good enviorment, through discipline or friendliness, is bound for failure.
for what i've seen in the netflix series, he's quite the asshole
It also doesn’t help that nobody at HAAS had Mick’s back except maybe his Engineers. Every Month you’d hear an interview from someone at HAAS ridiculing and laying into Mick like he was the worst driver to ever get into a car. Hopefully he gets another chance at another team and wins big
KMAG said he didnt understand why they were getting rid of him and thought mick deserved to stay in his seat next season.
@@redhulk4048 when was this?
@@enigmatic13465 in an interview he did after I think Austin or Brazil
@@redhulk4048 He never said that
@@THEcrushdrone He did
Haas is the wrong place for a young driver haas is fighting for survival....His first season he couldnt learn much....second season bad start and then the team giving him little to zero support and in the second half of the season he beat kmag nearly every race but because of the first few races nobody at haas cared...... he always improved but without confidence and support its impossible to keep your head up....
He shat on his fathers name
@@SD-mi2vc Wtf did you expect? For Mick to win races in that shitbox of a car, in order to "honour" his fathers name?
Even a Hamilton or a Verstappen would not have been able to do that, if they were sitting in a HAAS!
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Either way, HAAS were only somewhat "okay" at the beginning of the season and gradually lost performance in comparison to all the other teams. HAAS then, over the whole season, did only one single major update. HAAS eventually lost massive ground in performance after the first third of the season and did not recover at all, even stating that they would rather focus on the 2023 season instead.
In the last 2 thirds of the season HAAS were no longer competitive anymore and couldn't "easily" score points any longer. Despite of that fact, Mick still managed to become better and consistently outperfomed Kevin in these 2 last thirds of the season without any major incidents or crashes, whilst gradually improving more and more over time. HAAS also fucked over Micks potential chances of scoring points by bad strategy calls and or terrible pitstops multiple times throughout the entire season, and in Singapore Russell just completely ended Micks charge to the front.
On the other hand we have Kevin, who was on pace only in the first third of the season (where the car was somewhat competitive), and then fucked himself over with his stupid overaggressive driving (and his multiple unnecessary first lap incidents), which basically cost the team a lot of good potential race positions or points.
It was visibly obvious that HAAS wanted to get rid of Mick, and that Mick was only in the team because of Ferrari. We don't have the full picture of why this all happened as it did (maybe some personal issues, or some other type of unknown issue that hasn't been disclosed), but any sensible team with common sense and the ability to see reality would have sticked with Mick and would given him at the very least a 1 year contract extention for the 2023 season!
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Regardless of all of that, Mick made a mistake when joining HAAS, as he should have been rather at Alfa Romeo instead of HAAS in the first place, but apparently back then Ferrari had a contract clause with Giovinazzi that prevented that possibility. Thus many believed that Mick would have been promoted to Alfa Romeo for the 2022 season, but that team chose money over talent, as they had to pay a lot in order to get Bottas onboard, and needed some extra $€£ back through allowing Zhou to get a seat in F1 and bring in a huge chunk.
Still, the longterm game of HAAS is plain stupid.
What do they actually wish to accomplish by signing a "old" 35 year old driver, that was mediocre at best, and hasn't been in F1 for 3 whole years, and who will very likely be quite costly in terms of wages? So what is the longterm game of HAAS?
In comparison to Nico, Mick had much more potential, which he proved in the 2 later thirds of the 2022 season, where he made solid progress and beat Kevin consistently; Mick also showcased this quality throughout his entire career, from the juniors all the way up to F1, that with time he only gets better and better!
Funnily enough, HAAS apparently were also in talks with Ricciardo, a driver whose contract and wage would have been even bigger than that of Kevin and Hülkenberg and Mick combined, where did HAAS plan to get the money from to pay for Ricciardo?!
But as ridiculous as all this is, this is not really surprising:
HAAS are and always have been a stupid team to begin with. Their Rich Energy deal back in 2019, and the fact that they signed fucking Mazespin back in 2021, are evidence of that... HAAS are totally inept and painfully terrible in making the right decisions.
People always make fun of Ferrari, but god damn... look at HAAS, they are a bunch of clowns as well (who like to shoot themselves in the foot for fun)!!!
And yet Mick had 2 points scoring occasions and Kevin had 7. It doesn't matter if you beat your teammate for p17. It does matter if you beat them for p5.
well gunther also summed this up nicely. why should haas have to be patient and develop mick when they can find a suitable replacement that will be 1. up to speed and 2. not crash. you really have to think from haas's perspective. why spend all that extra money on repairs when the budget is already extremely tight and you can simply find a driver who can do mick's job better?
They completely destroyed his self esteem by constantly telling him he is crashing too much and how expensive it is. Brazil is a good example, he just didn't feel secure enough to really push under wet conditions. A driver who is afraid of going to the limits can't be fast. In the last few races he seemed to be faster than KMag, at least during the race. And don't forget how often they fucked up his strategy and pit stops. It's a real shame and I hope he can come back, maybe with the new Audi team.
Fair, but on the other hand they are right to tell him those things - they can't afford to have those crashes and as a driver you have to be able to absorb that sort of pressure.
But he truly was crashing too much, especially under a budget cap.
Stop invoking him at Audi.
I am not cheering for a Schumacher in this or my next life.
@@tymoncebartowskii660 it's all good to tell him, but maybe don't do it in public. Some of the press conferences with steiner were borderline hostile
@@peergroth4563 Could you point out an example? I haven't come across that really, but maybe I've missed something
Still remember how Leclerc fans were calling Sainz a seat warmer for Mick..
Sainz is doing well enough in Ferrari.
Oh and btw. Hulk beat Sainz but somehow people think Nico is no better than Mick
@@Xzibitfreek how ferrari is doing rn, mick is better off not joining ferrari
@@marmedalmond9958rather the other way around. When they are getting a hamilton why even think of a average mick
The main thing was definitely the amount of damages he cost for a team with a tiny budget
Thats right they could not develop any furher.
If his name wasn't Schumacher, we wouldn't even care about him losing his seat. Most of the angry mob are all Michael fans wanting to see his spawn relive the glory days.
Comparing his finishes to Zhou and Tsunoda isn't even fair. The Alpha Tauri is clearly a worse car, and Zhou is a rookie who had reliability problems screw with a good chunk of his finishes. And both Yuki and Zhou havent cost their teams millions in damaging the car. KMag had to pit for a new front wing god knows how many times, and Mick still couldn't manage to perform better. This narrative of Mick stealing attention from Steiner is all made up. Mick has done absolutely nothing to even deserve attention.
He's not his dad. Get over it.
Both Ferrari & Mercedes offered him a spot in their driver academy when he was in F3. He chose Ferrari which I think he regrets today.
Not only because he got dropped but because Ferrari as a team is a complete mess at the moment. They just don’t have the complete package to fight with RB & Merc in the long run.
Now, he may end up as a 3rd driver for Merc and maybe a Williams seat in a year or two.
So if you want to be a sucessful driver, never go to ferrari
@@marmedalmond9958 not in the way it is today, unfortunately.
And it took Nyck de Vries, the next poster child in that academy after Russell _three_ years after his title to get a seat in... the junior team of their main rivals, Red Bull. And even that was thanks to a lucky reserve role drop in at Monza. So I don't think he made the wrong choice at all, he got a seat in F1 immediately after his title win. That's what the point of an academy should be, not to let you rot on the sidelines for years (looking at you Alpine) but to get you a seat. The rest is up to you to prove yourself.
Mick reminds me of Stoffel, he was a good promising driver as well that realistically could have been given a third season in the team, but team politics screwed him over and he wasn't as good as his senior teammate when it really mattered.
The thing is though, the only drivers who get dropped by their teams are the ones that are not good enough. Mick got a fair shot and just didn't capitalize on it. The alternative was to never be given a shot at F1 to begin with like Illott and Schwartzman. I think he chose well.
@@nicklowe1815 i mean schumacher got into the ferrari academy in 2020 sort of. And the 2020 season is when ferrari became one insane clown show
See ther Merc academy: Ocon dropped for 1 year, GR needed 3 years to wait in a Williams (which was as bad as Haas in first year, and worse than Haas from season 2). And George is far ahead Mick. The Mercedes is full, no place for MS, Aston got Stroll and a big name, they don't need Mick. He can go to Williams, but remember, they even picked Logan without a license before Mick. And the Ferrari academy dropped him too. Mick's qualification pace is one of the worst in F1 roster (with Stroll and Latifi), and he can't really manage tyres too. He is good in sprints, that's all.
He''s not a very good driver, that's what happened. You inherit some of the genetics, but not everything. If he had any spark Ferrari wouldn't let him slip.
Zhou can't be benchmarked to highlight Schumacher...zhous car explodes every time he's on for a good result...and that's just reliability
same for mick
He got dropped because even Ferrari thought it wasn’t worth it to keep paying for his seat and haas didn’t think paying a guy to crash a car was worth it
The thing is with the points that a lot of times when Mick was in points range, it was either a strategy mistake or like in Canada, the car has problems, he was very unlucky throughout the course of the season and Haas till now hasnt taken any of the responsebilities they should have after bottling a lot of his races, and believe me Ive looked at every result, they have bottled a lot like Mick is still ahead to K-mag in race h2h
Kevin is fucked by the stategies and slow pitstop too. Mick is behind Kmag because of strategies is not an excuse for his slow pace.
I think everyone is expecting Mick to be like Michael when he’s more like Ralf. Writing off 2 chassis and not having substantial speed is not good. Then him not destroying KMag on pace was probably the shining light against him.
I think the main reason he has not performed well is mainly the missing confidence. Since he does not want to crash the car anymore he drives more conservatly instead of pushing 100%
But you see, that's wrong.
Yes he's had a slow start to the season till he found out how the car works.
Already before the half season he started outperforming Kevin and he was faster in most races in the end. Despite the team screwing him several times with strategy.
Rewatched all the highlights, I can do KMag as well if you guys want. This was Mick's year pretty much. So many races where he was in the top 10 before the first round of pit stops. Same with KMag too.
GRAND PRIX RACE POSITION PTS REASON
Bahrain 11 0 Spun by Ocon
Saudi Arabia DNS 0 Crash in Qualy
Australia 13 0 No Pace
Emilia Romagna 17 0 Spin opening Lap
Miami 15 0 Sent it vs Vettel
Spain 14 0 Strategy
Monaco DNF 0 Crash
Azerbaijan 14 0 No Pace
Canada DNF 0 Engine Failure
Great Britain 8 4
Austria 6 8
France 15 0 No Pace
Hungary 14 0 Strat
Belgium 17 0 No Pace
Netherlands 13 0 Strat
Italy 12 0 Red Flagged
Singapore 13 0 Strat
Japan 17 0 Strat
United States 15 0 Strat, Dmg on Car
Mexico 16 0 No Pace
Brazil 13 0 Strat
Concerning amount of no pace...
Concerning amount of no pace
And concerning amount of points scored
@@lordsabre66 no pace in the car
@@pcbloxnews no pace in the car
We can still hope for mick and seb at Audi in 2026
What insane amounts of copium. Yeah man I’m sure Audi is spending 400 million to enter the sport and will employ 2 drivers who have been out of f1 for 4 years just because of their nationality. Yep that sounds real
@@Danker19991 Mick can come back come on..
@@Danker19991 happened with Michael
2024 i think actually, audi will probably have 50% of the shares of sauber by then so they'll have a say in the driver lineup
Vettel will turn 39 in 2026 🤣
I think comparing mick with yuki and zhou is wrong coz yk bottas and gasly are much harder teammates to score against compared to k mag. He is good but is he bottas or gasly good? No
He should’ve went to Alfa Romeo
Zhou is better.
There was no way Mick would've gone to that Haas shithole if the michael was with him.
@@kolour7611 That's not what the points data says.
God.
Please.
NO
@@NemXX2 Mick took advantage in Silverstone, ofc Mick got more points.
Mick doesn't seem work well with the Haas management. That's why they don't keep him.
It’s such a shame that Haas waited until the last race to let Mick go. They should have said something back in the summer to give him a chance to go somewhere else. He’ll get his second chance, and I kind of wish it was with Williams or Alphaturi. A year off learning from Lewis and George will do wonders for him.
A name and family money can get you only so far! The rest is talent, he has not really shined at all! Stop blaming the car, its not the car, Lando shined almost immediately when he arrived in F1 , and so has many other drivers! if Schumacher's wife gave birth to kittens, I'm sure we would have a cat driving in F1 now,
“Mick crashes too much.” How many Haas drivers have we said that about? Mick, Mazepin, Grosjean, even kmag. The car is a much bigger problem than the drivers. And GUNTHER is the main problem.
Grosjean was the master of Haas destruction. Mick just made some small dents and wrote one car off.
Mick has more damages than the top 3 combined in the last 2 years.
@@peterdevreter Mick cost Haas what 10 million, thats a full new package of updates that haas needed
I could understand dropping Mick for a better driver but they're basically trading a $10 for two $5s
Hulk is a huge upgrade. Hulk carried midfield teams like Haas multiple times. Put Hulk in this years car and theres a good chance Haas finishes 6th and not 8th.
Hulk is a considerably faster driver than Magnussen and Mick couldnt even handle Magnussen.
Compare Magnussens 2016 and Hülkenbergs 2017 season and youll have a rough idea of each drivers talent as they both drove against Palmer.
@@Xzibitfreek Hulkenberg has a failed F1 career aswell stop hyping him up
@@herbertsavci228 Hulk is at the same lvl as Kmag, so what did Kmags F1 carrer also fail?
The issue between Mick's camp and Haas was the public criticism of Mick. Mick has always been well protected raising through the ranks. They aren't happy with the way the criticism has been done in public
Protected Because of his name
F1 is cruel. You had 2 season to show you're worth it. He has lagged in these 2 years. Meanwhile, nick de Vries had only one chance ND he has showed what he can do.
Nyck de vries was made to eat fries at RB
People having too high expectations and not enough patience. He improved a lot over the season and in the 2nd half he was beating K-Mag quite a lot. He was faster at most weekends since Spa, even earlier (Austria, Silverstone) yet Haas decided to drop him. Yes, he had a few too many crashes, but they usually happened in wet conditions on tricky street circuits. He was going to keep improving and we do not yet know what his real ceiling is. Hope we get another chance to see it in 2024.
What went wrong for Mick Schumacher? Well the simple answer is Mick Schumacher.
HE'S.
NOT.
GOOD.
ENOUGH.
There. I said it. He's not a good driver. Kmag is better and he's solidly mid. Hulk is better, and not that good.
The guy isn't good enough. He'd need to be a Leclerc or Verstappen or Norris to be able to stick around.
While he's made progress, it's not enough, not quickly enough.
Also he's got a...crash problem.
The reason shit hasn't been harmonious is because he's a bad driver and keeps CRASHING THE GODDAMN CAR.
Also Kmag was just better *cold* .
I don't get why people are surprised he's being dropped.
Yuki and Zhou don't crash as much, in Zhou's defense his car kept blowing up so he didn't really have a chance.
A curling child growing up and finaly face reality.
What's going to happen when the Hulk can't match Mick's pace?
Only scoring 12 points is for the Hulk an easyJet job!
Gunther will flip out, fire both drivers, find more new drivers who can’t drive the shittiest car on the grid, fire them, and so on.
@@sanderbhuis But will he outscore KM?
@@sanderbhuis2 races into 2023 i would say getting 12 points will be a hell of a job by how far ahead the Top 4 are. In fact even Alpine is still out of reach and probably Mclaren as well when they can get a normal race without bad luck and reliabilty problems
Lol! Hulk is way ahead of the avg Mick and even kmag. Made the Haas look pretty decent
Honestly Mick going to mercedes, as a test driver, is the best thing, right after being a full time driver for any other team, that can happen to him. Steiner is just sooo self centered and looking for being the center of attention himself fits that too. You need to handle these problems privately.
Good luck Merc with Mick cost you a lot of moneyWithout his last name he had never gotten into the F1
@@m.g.debruin8294 lol did his surname won f3 and f2, he is not only child of F1 driver, if jos was better people probably would say same about max lol
He crashed too much. Simple.
Yeah he crashed, but conveniently nobody's wondering WHY he crashed too much. I'm not saying that he's a prodigy (drivers like his dad are a once in a generation talent), but It's too easy for us to dismiss Mick as supposedly a less than average driver who can't handle a F1 car, when none of us have to live with the pressure and scrutiny that Mick went through. Living up to the Schumacher name, the less than harmonious environment at Haas, the shock of KMag jumping into the car at the last minute and immediately scoring points, the very public lashing that Steiner kept giving to Mick. Point being, some drivers need more time to blossom than others, and we still don't know just what Mick is capable of because he was never given a fair chance and Haas was the wrong environment for a rookie like him. And the crashing is the result of all that pressure.
He just kept crashing. I like that guy. Super real and awesome. Hulk will be an great replacement and not a boring choice at all
Kept crashing sounds like he crashed every second race which isnt true....if it was the Head to head race results with kmag would be way different
Kept crashing. So exactly like most Haas drivers? Maybe it’s THE CAR.
What went wrong is that people thought he was good because he was gapping Mazepin year one, then found out he was nowhere vs an average F1 driver in Magnussen. Pretty straightforward
But he is better than Magnussen
@@dorlaretz5901 no He's not
Think it depends, Mick had a lot of pace in the ladder half of the season but was in consistent at times, and he would have more points if HAAS wasn’t full of junior Ferrari strategist, I think we haven’t seen him actually develop enough, I think it should have been another year in the car, 2 years of being in an actual car definitely is enough to determine if he is good enough. I just think he got unlucky with the team he fell into to, but I don’t think we truly are able to determine if he is good or not yet. I hope he gets another year soon or later so we can actually see if he is good enough or not
@@macelltavares nah
@@macelltavares DId you not watch like any of the last half of the season? And don't just look at the results, look at how he's racing. Look at this and tell me he is not at least on par with KMag
Now remember that it's been a long time since Ferrari broke ties with Mick Schumacker, everyone seems to have forgotten that. Ferrari broke the tie because they saw the lack of talent, as well as the crazy uncle who has taken every opportunity to blame everyone but Mick's lack of results
From HAAS perspective Hulk is just much more useful. Two experienced drivers drive car development much further then an inconsistent rookie. In this particular situation, ignroing how it came to be, dropping Mick is the right decision for HAAS.
And both will run. Seeing they dislike each other.
@@LathropLdST They don't... there's a youtube clip showing them having fun about "Suck my balls mate"
Haas had the double experienced driver line up before, and they only got worse. The same will happen again.
They just go around in circles with old use by drivers.. must be time to sign Romain again .. Haas in 23 will be worst
@@donbrashsux the car was at its best with those 2
what was missed out of the video that Mick got to know this week only that he is going giving him NO chance whatsoever to go after the remaining Williams seat
Both team and driver are the reason
Haas is not a great team in the first place feels like they could do a bit more for Mick but yeah car and management keep it near the back consistently
Mick is great but I personally felt like he wasn't really anything special
Talent is a very rare thing if you don't have it then theirs nothing you can do except hunker down and work
The sport moves fast and if you don't flash greatness you ain't staying
Yes sure, on par with Yuki and Zhou pace wise. But repair bills wise hes the best at producing highest repair bills
What went wrong for Mick Schumacher? He was slower than Kmag and crashed more than Mazepin. He does deserve an F1 seat more than Stroll, Latifi, Ricciardo, Mazepin, and Ocon; but has shown himself unworthy of a Haas seat.
A diva who gets points is a LOT different than a Diva who crashes big time.
I'm really gutted Micks out of f1, hes a really nice guy and much better than people give him credit for. I think Haas didn't give him a proper chance and alot of that was Steiner going against and bullying Mick. I hope Sauber offers him a seat for 2024 in the build up to become Audi because I don't think we've had a chance to see what Mick can actually do and I'd personally love to see him be able to prove that he's not in f1 because of his surname
As an athlete and driver, I can say that Mick is lucky to get away from Haas. He didn't do well at Haas. I like him, love him even, but Haas was never a right place for him. Talent can only grow if it's given that chance. Sometimes you need to change the environment around you, to actually grow and learn. A lot of that has to do with confidence, safety and trust, something Mick never had at Haas. We will see him back in F1 at some point and he will do better, but it might not be 2024.
We watched Ralf Schumacher fail to achieve anything remotely close to his brother Michael. The public and the sport's insiders mistakenly attach expectations of performance to a family line. Christian Fittipaldi is another example of this mistaken expectation.
Michael Andretti is yet another example. Nothing close to his dad Mario's success in F1.
"The apple doesn't fall far from the tree" this does NOT hold up in F1 or in sports generally.
The reason is this: there are too many things that are required to have unusually successful outcomes. It is not the brain alone, it is not the body/reflexes alone. It requires the right brain, the right body/reflexes, but the thinking process is a huge part and it is quite difficult to teach a thinking process.
"If I encounter this situation, I do this. And if I encounter this other condition, I do this other thing. And then if I am faced with situation X, I do Y, and if......"
You cannot teach a full set of proper planning, adjusting, acting, reacting, how to keep the team on your side, how to keep the car intact, etc. to someone. Too many variables.
Ralf could never copy Michael, neither can Mick, so it is a mistake to have outsized expectations.
Steiner had no intention of keeping Mick so its inexcusable that he strung him along so long thinking he may still have a chance to stay.
The fact that Mick kept crashing on tight circuits hints that he is always driving on the limit. And by that I dont mean that he was pushing the car to great lenghts, but rather he was pushing himself so far that he couldnt maintain the concentration required to be a good F1 driver.
He joined Haas instead of a competent team 😢
so why did HAAS compete for mid table before mick and mazapin?
You expect Ferrari or Mercedes or RB to take him
Mick’s problem is that he IS a good driver… as long as his car is sticking to the track. A lot of his crashes (to me at least) seem to be a lack of ability to recover from loss of grip. I think his natural driving ability is just above the threshold of the VF-22’s limits, just enough to make it an issue that he crashes a lot.
he just wasent good enough for F1
That is what happens when you run a formula 1 team on a nascar budget and expect the impossible from your drivers.
or maybe you expect your driver which have won F3 and F2 to be just a bit dicent behein the wheel of an F1 car
No one is forcing him to be a F1 driver, maybe this is not his calling. Its called a career change to us mortals
Mick's season wasn't worse than say Yuki or Zhou. At least not by much. The thing is that Haas is not an ideal team for a rookie to grow into, that's probablya fail on the Ferrari Driver Academy as they should've probably fight for a more suitable seat for him, such as Alfa Romeo. If you see Mick's performances on the second half of the season, he actually perfomed better overall between Magnussen and him. Kevin did get more points at the end and he did get that pole on Brazil. But thegeneral performance actually ahd Mick finishing ahead of him. We do have to consider that Kevin had all the confidence on having a seat next year and, generally, the better strategy at the end of the day. To be honest I'm sure Mick could've gotten like a P4 or the same pole that KMag did and Haas would've still changed him, but that's because the philosophy on the team is one of survival, not development and looking into the future. Also the relationship between driver-team was probably already broken beyond repair, not saying Mick or Guenther are at fault, but probably they just couldn't function 100% well now, also the pressure of havinbg the Schumacher name close.
I'm hoping Mick can get the Mercedes reserve driver because I believe he has shown enough to prove that he can become a solid driver and maybe even something else. For now his best bet is to point at the Williams or Sauber (soon to be Audi) seat. We'll see.
For now Mick has a lot of things to prove in order to get back. And Guenther has a lot to prove, especially now that he has the lineup he wanted, if the environment is just the same then probably we should start to also look at the head of the team instead of just the drivers.
I know everyone love Mick for his personality and family legacy, but he is just a mediocre driver. Period. It would be amazing for the narrative for him to be great, but he is not a driver of his dad's caliber, nor will he ever be. There is no magical barrier of 2 years experience, no conspiracy from the team.
Nothing went wrong... He is not good enough
Sad in a way. Unlike some of the other young lions, he seems like a very decent and well mannered young man. In spite of being F1 royalty, very famous and very wealthy. Maybe that is part of the problem. It’s nice to be nice, but this is a cutthroat sport.
I think the problem is Haas aren’t just recovering from 2021 but recovering from 2020 where all the Ferrari teams suffered from that lackluster PU. They need experienced drivers that could help develop the car rather than crash and while KMAG has issues keeping his front wing together he also caused less expensive damages meaning the team has more money to invest into R&D,
The frontwing problem that Kevin had was in fact a very little problem, An endplate that was getting a bit loose , but stayed on the wing because it was wired to the wing so it couldn´t fly off. But stewards decided to call him into pit and get it replaced anyway. So pretty harsh thing to do to him, which they didn´t do to several others with similar problems
Steiner is just straightforward and says it as it is. If you are touchy feeling as Mick is, that is to difficult. Mick is insecure. A break from F1, might help him just to compose himself and try again at a later stage. But I believe he's not as ruthless as his father Michael, Senna, Verstappen, Hamilton, Alonso, Vettel, etc.
Mick was as too nice to a team that didn’t want him. They wanted money
I'm pretty sure the team around Schumacher were the ones that started this whole mess that turned Haas and Ferrari against him...
Should've tried proving himself first, before making demands.
Why would the keep K-mag then? He brings zero money
@@briansrensen8204 because Kmag can make sure you get the monye from the Constructors championship, without Kmag, HAAS wouldnt be able to be at the bugdet cap next season
In all sports if your father is a legend or HOFer father..........the son will struggle idk why that is example is Jo's and Max......ima huge Schummi fan but I'm Mike fan not Mick I think us as fans in all sports just wanna see the son make it just cause really maybe Mick isn't as talented as we think
Ferrari should secured Mick Schumacher as their Test Driver to replace their soon ageing drivers ... Remember , Mick was promoted to F1 from being Champion in F3 & F2! ...
Sadly for Mick, if his "entourage" doesn't change, no team is going to willingly take him on now. It's one thing if you're a genuine star driver, but frankly, he isn't one (at this level).
Also, remember that he left (was dropped from?) the Ferrari driver academy earlier this year, which hints to me that Ferrari don't have any intention of bringing him into their team.
I'm really saddened for him, as he genuinely seems to be a really lovely young gentleman (and I picked that word specifically. There aren't as many of them around these days, and it's a shame. No, I don't want neckbeards to get any ideas! I'm talking about his behaviour in general). The grid is lacking in gentlemanly behaviour these days. There are some true gents, but nowhere near as many as there used to be. Mick was setting a great example for future racers (in any type of racing) on how to behave on & off track. I genuinely wanted him to succeed, but the writing was on the wall in Monaco, and it surprised me that so many people are surprised by his not getting a contract renewal. 🤷🏻♀️
He's still part of the Ferrari Driver Academy as of now. If he leaves or is dropped, it will be by the end of the year.
4:44 Ricciardo and Zhou might have scored a smaller part of the team´s points, but Ricciardo got dropped as well and Zhou is in his first season and had huge amounts of bad luck. Zhou also needs to improve, if he wants to stay in F1 for more than two years. I expect Tsunoda to be dropped at the end of the next season.
Zhou brings in a fuck ton of money and the Chinese market, he is below average driver at best
@@vuilbaardgames3280 Below average for an F1 driver is he for sure. Even someone like Gasly or Bottas is just an average F1 driver.
But at least Zhou doesn´t do stupid things like Schumacher, Tsunoda and Stroll.
Let´s see how he drives 2023. If he improves, he earns a cockpit for the time after 2023.
The thing is that Zhou is getting absolutely stomped by Bottas even when Bottas DNF's multiple times throughout a race. At best, Zhou puts on a sleeper of a performance and relies on the team's strategy over being on the limit.
So it is unfair for people to railroad Mick while saying "w-well, it is only Zhou's first season and he's had bad luck!!" It comes across as disingenuous, especially when Zhou hasn't put in a stellar performance at all while Bottas has consistently shown that the Alfa Romeo is a car that can fight with the Alpines and Mclarens for high point finishes.
@@JustSomeDinosaurPerson Zhou did better in Qualifying against Bottas (8:14) than Schumacher against Magnussen (6:16) and I think, Bottas is way better than Magnussen.
Easy answer: He kept crashing cars in an expensive way. Even worse than mazepin or latifi as far as how much damage to the car was done. Breaking muliple chassis each year in a team on the bottom half of the grid is not affordable if you arent getting regular podiums. It would be the same for Sauber. Zhou really impressed this year in reading the air/room despite me having a strong dislike for his home nation.
Dont crash the car comes first, speed comes second. Its possible he actually thinks being related to a talented f1 driver has some genetic supernatural ability to give his tires more grip or something.
This is how Nick Heidfeld and ironically, Nico Hulkenberg stayed in the sport despite not being superstars. To use a baseball analogy (a sport more similar to f1 than you'd think), when you learn you cant set world records for home runs, you learn to base hit. The former wins the glory, and the latter wins the game.
Sucks that his dad wasn’t there to guide him. He’s still faster than stroll and checo.
The German Potato is saying brrr hssee oooo fffff like a real mentor. lol
@@SimCo-tm8qi wow how funny
Check brings in millions in sponsor money and stroll is a heir to the team
If Mick brought in 30 million in sponsor money he would still be at haas
He isn't just that good. He never won a major junior series in first season also he wasn't so fast like Russell and Leclerc. He clearly lost against Magnussen this season even when KMag had many black and orange flags, mistakes and he had much less driven in pre season testing (meanwhile Leclerc in his second season was better than Vettel and become the team leader. Russell had many insane drives in the Williams and now he is beating Hamilton in the drivers standings). Also many unnesesary driver errors.
Neither did three quarters of the grid. The point is that exceptional natural talents like Hamilton, Verstappen, Russell, Leclerc, Norris or Piastri that win (or come close to win) multiple major championships in their first year are rare and they don't come every year, but one all 3 years if you are lucky. On the other hand, you have like 5 drivers on the grid that never won any major championship at all, like Albon, Latifi or Zhou. Most drivers just need more time and work hard to win championships and Schumacher, like most of the grid, is one of them. That is not necessarily a bad thing as these drivers are known for working hard and can improve to competitive levels if given the time, like seen in F3 and F2. In my opinion, Haas is however dropping him at the worst time possible as Schumacher has finally become reliable and competitive.
Yes, Magnussen was quite unlucky with the orange disk flag. On the other hand, Schumacher was at least as unlucky as Magnussen because he more often than not had either bad strategies, bad pit stops lasting 10+ seconds, or both combined. Whenever he was in the situation of scoring points in the second half of the season, like Zandvoort, Suzuka, Austin and Interlagos, the team failed him, not the other way around.
He’s just not at the top level of F1. That’s not meaning mean or harsh. Just facts. He never really seemed to get to grips with the car. Of course it’s easy to say ‘look at all his accidents’…. But he did have a few.
Enough? Deserve? He crashed A LOT all season, costing a lot to a very low budget team, he even crashed in Brazil. Talking about Interlagos, in quali finishing LAST, meanwhile his team mate got POLE was the last nail in the coffin.
Mick is bang average F1 driver nothing more , nothing less. If Zhou crashed as much as Mick, people would be screaming pay driver.
Aldas... you keep making same mistake when it comes to talking about Mick. Schumacher has never won F3, he did however win EUROPEAN F3 back in 2018 and then won F2 in 2020. To be fair Mick has never even raced in formula 3!!! Keep that in mind pls!!!
what went wrong is he was in a shit team with terrible management but yet somehow its Mick's fault.
He's just not that good. It's like someone like Shaq or Mj's son in basketball they just aren't good.
Your comparisons with Guanyu is not fair as he is a rookie and was very consistent with an average position of 12 just outside the points and is against a much better driver in Bottas than KMag. Daniel has been sacked as well even though he has scored 3 times what Mick has scored. Why , because for Mclaren that isnt good enough and Haas are the judge of what they need from their drivers. They dont look at what other teams accept. The telling thing for me was after Q1 in Brazil when Mick said it must have been drier than I thought when he came last and his radio to his engineer couldn't understand why. That tells me he never tested where the limits were. That is not an F1 driver to me. I should think Ralph has been making a nuisance of himself and that has had some negative effect also.
I do hope Mick gets another opportunity. Good video.
The guy made 2 mistakes. First, cut ties with Ferrari, and second, crashed like there's no tomorrow and not like max or Sebastian who crashed in the earlier part of their career but also showed their raw pace.
Making destroying 4ish race multi million dollar cars isn’t a key to success for a team that is probably the poorest
He only got a seat because of his family name. Massively overrated. Glad he is gone to make way for someone more deserving.
So funny to here video about how wrong people is about k-mag and people just live in the moment and not look a head.
I think if he had had an different last name this video would have been harsher. But i guess it's ok considering the situation.
1 thing i feel is that Haas are too big for their boots. They think they're a big team which sets unrealistic expectations for their drivers and staff. It also doesn't help that they lack the mindset of a big team and don't develop their drivers in any way.
listen, when latifi got 3 years in f1, i have no doubt that mick could have had another year, and he would have progressed
Latifi brought in millions to have that seat
Lacked the absolute self belief of most racers. Should come back when he's toughened up
Not as good as Vettel and espesaly his father Schumacher.
simple. he only got a drive because his surname. not good enough
Overrated... Mick is just a bad driver. he needs another sport
What's wrong? His name obviously...people hate him for a Schumacher. When tsunoda makes a mistake or curses on radio, he is a rookie. Zhou paying for his seat is fine. Stroll being a mad man on track is fine but when Mick crashed, it's not fine. When he got into F1 because he won the F2 and F3 championship obviously that's not fair. So it's his name obviously because people cannot get over his father's success!
Nah.
What an absolute Raghunathan of an argument (no surprised)
I detest 'his name' but it was the crashes. He had no sponsor to compensate them financially.
And Ralf is another Jos, living his faulure vicariously through Mick/Max.
The difference is, Max *wins*...
@@LathropLdST Wow mate, great arguements presented by you backed by statistics and facts. Kudos!
This is the most ridiculous take I’ve ever read. People were seriously wanting Tsunoda out for an F2 driver, Stroll is easily the most hated guy on the grid, and the Schumacher name is the sole reason why people want Mick to stay in the sport. If his name was Latifi or Mazepin, people would be calling for his head!
The most horrendous F1 take
@@siddheshshivraj3534aare baapre, someone who says 'waaah it's the surname!" deserve nothing more than a Raghunathan-level reply.
Not going all out on this one... not worth it.
I wrote a proper answer in the main comment section, if you care for a more substantious take.
Protect your brain, it may be tmi.
I feel like AR which he drove in a training session for would have been the better choice, if there was a seat open(for example Giovinazzi quitting 1 year earlier).
Lack of Talent finally exposed is his problem.
I thought Mick had a few good races this year. I understand as part of financially it makes sense to find Hulkenburg, but Mick comes with big potential of not just performance, but also, fans, etc. Perhaps there could have been some arrangement, if you crash, you pay. Mick has plenty of financial support, but once you're out of the line up, it's hard to get back in. I was one of those who really wanted it to work out for him, but he's never had a decent car. Sad to see him "retire" with Seb.
If you crash you pay, that wont work with the cost cap and I wouldn‘t be surprised if mick fans aided HAAS‘ decision by the toxicity and hate they brought to the Team. They might caused more harm than good for the kid.
There’s no sugarcoating it.
He’s way too inconsistent and slow to get up to speed. Personally watching him on track he was just a very fragile driver in both qualy and races.
20yrs ago he would of been sacked midway through nevermind getting 2 full seasons out of pitty cause he caries a last name.
This new gen of fans and critics keep pushing the whole “he’s such a nice guy and there’s potential there he deserves another chance” but based on performance alone he’s just another piquet jr or Bruno senna. Nothing special.
I was not a fan of daddy at all but was actually rooting for the kid to make it but he clearly isn’t cut out for this. Sure things might of been better had he started life with Alfa and not this fake American laughing stock of a team but at the end of the day no matter what car and environment you put him in he’s clearly no verstappen or leclerc not even a Norris.
2024 ric to red bull, Mick to Alpha
They just used him so bad, poor dude want to work hard in F1 but they also did him dirty. He deserve a better place with safer people around, they know they can play with him because of his name cause if Mickael could say anything i think right now everything will be different. I just hope he will come back stronger in a better team.
That's the point of F1. Haas could've brought another driver In f1 now granted mick was a good driver he was still a liability for haas. That's just F1, you either perform or not. Similar thing happened to nick and alpha tauri. You need to be the best in f1, he may have beat people in f2 and f3 but when you reach f1 you are competing with people who are much more skilled and better at handling pressure. He still needs work which is why according to me he will join in 2025 at the most. Also I think haas would've never signed him if he wasnt coming in with any sponsors. The mere fact that he got sponsors was the reason haas had him. He kind of bought his way into an f1 seat which is always a bad strategy. You need to let the team select the driver if you buy yourself into a seat even indirectly you'll end up being used and thrown out of the sport.
I hope he can grab a seat in maybe WEC for a season while bring a reserve driver for a team
It’s such a shame that Haas waited until the last race to let Mick go. They should have said something back in the summer to give him a chance to go somewhere else. He’ll get his second chance, and I kind of wish it was with Williams or Alphaturi. A year off learning from Lewis and George will do wonders for him.
Didn't they pull that mess in 2020? I don't agree with how Haas runs their organization. They threw out their 2020 team got a new team then continued to be upset the car hadn't magically fixed itsself.
Let's not forget that Mick comfortably beat Magnussen in head to head racing results. So I wouldn't exactly call his results "bad." Mick only had 2 major crashes this year. Remember how much Max was crashing a few years back & people were writing him off? Mick has been progressing a lot & it's only his second year. In a good car, he can do very well.
Everybody can do very well in a good car 🙂
Mick did not outperform K-mag lol. Please get real down in Germany
Mick was so unlucky this year
he destroyed 2 cars.... if it was luck, then the engine would have failed, then sure he would have been unlucky
A last name doesn't translate to race wins
Mick was lucky to beat Nikkia Mazepin last year and was totally outdriven by Kevin M. this year.
Despite the fact that he beat k mag in race positions overall this season?
Nice analysis Aldas.
In this case, I think Haas take a step in the right way. First of all, you need a driver to help in the development of a new car, with experience and good feedback when he go off the car.
Mick good credentials and talent aren't enough to a team with a limited budget. They need to take advantage of every buck expended, and that includes the drivers.
Also, Mick was responsible of a couple of crashes (some were big, some not) in this 2 years, which also were costly for the team and, when you are in a dire strait, you need to reduce crashes at its minimum. I think replace Mick is a good decision.
Part of me wonders how things turn out if Mick competes with David (his cousin, son of Ralf) on the same ground.