Project AllegRo - Jonnys K20 VTEC Sleeper Build
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2024
- fabco.uk/
A brand new project to the FabCo channel, before we've even finished the first! We're taken on the Allegro after badgering Jonny for months about the Agro and we're finally making some progress.
In this episode i talk though making the chassis jig and getting the car mounted on it, then get cutting that awful front off. Many challenges lay ahead, but this is a great starting point, a blank canvas to build from!
If your don't know what this project is or what its about, start here;
Allegro Sleeper part 1: www.youtube.co....
Allegro Sleeper part 2: www.youtube.co....
Allegro Sleeper part 3: www.youtube.co....
Many thanks to The Late Brake Show team for the opportunity to collaborate on this fun project!
Woohoo, a new Fabco video to start the weekend! :D The V6 is lovely and it almost seems a shame to totally undo a bunch of work, but sunk costs are what they are - the K20 makes much more sense (to the extent a hot hatch Allegro can make sense). Looking forward to the rest of these! Cheers!
Should be coming weekly(ish) now! 😃😃
@@FabCoUK That's what I like to hear! :D p.s. the links to the original vids in the description are broken, think they got truncated with "..."
That had me thinking, a VR6 might have been a good shout ... keeping the V6 package but a more modern (ish), smaller package.
I feel like I’m in at the start of Binky! Please don’t let this take as long!
I offer no guarantees🤣
Johnny has been at it for a long time himself, so it might have been as many years in it as Project Binky.
@@micheltebraake7915 possibly, but it definitely won’t be in my workshop that long!
Jonny sent me here. Nice work, guys!
Thanks!
Well done Adam on presenting Johnny with the facts he needed to make an informed choice. I'm very much looking forward to seeing progress on this build!
Thanks David! We’re finally making some progress 😃😃
I'm so glad I found this channel, I love the technical details, thanks so much for sharing 👍
Glad you enjoy it!
Excited to see this project move forward, a niche build really!
Subbed direct from Johnny's channel yesterday.
Makes me really proud to be British with fabrication like this still take place in the UK
True craftsman
I hope your channel grows alot bigger mate
Keep up the good work!
Thanks Jamie I appreciate it! ❤️
Subscriber numbers about to go through the roof!
Already have! Haha
Found this channel through Johnny's video. You've got a great sense for explaining what you're doing and planning and the music and editing is spot on. Subscribing!
It's gonna be awesome. Who wouldn't give an arrn and a leg for at babyshitbrown, kickass Allgro ❤
The vast majority of the population most likely 🤣
@@FabCoUK They have no feelings. God bless them. Their lives are much simpler.
Getting jiggy with it. Plenty of patience needed to get a 70s car square 👍
You’re not kidding 😪
This is cool mate. Subbed
Thanks man! If it comes out anything like the Mushy Pea I’ll be happy!😅
Subscribed after seeing Jonny's video.
Really good to not only hear about the process but see the car in the jig and see why the angle of driveshaft and position of components is so important.
Great video.
Thanks Mark, much appreciated! Hopefully you enjoy what’s coming up too😃
I originally subscribed to this channel to see what i thought was a mad but brilliant project of an old Princess and now the AllgeRo has come along its like a dream come true for a BL loving car nut like myself haha! Good luck, its been over a year since the last episode of this Allegro (apart from the one yesterday) so I'm so glad the project is starting up again!👍
I’ll do my best to provide regular updates from here on out! Thanks for watching 😃
If you are something of a fan of the K20 like me you have probably come across The BoostedBoiz channel, Kyle puts big turbo K20s in everything, MR2, Honda Odyssey w AWD conversion, NSX, Civic w AWD conv, BRZ and the first 3 make over 1,000hp.
It's great seeing this "behind-the-scenes" of Jonny's All-Agro from a fab/build strategy point of view
Whatever K20/K24 is used, when it is refreshed, it should be painted in Unipart Gold Seal gold, with dark green cam cover and "AUSTIN" on the top - if you can, stamp "MOWOG" into it somewhere to complete the look :-)
Cool idea!
Allegro. When a wheel falls off A Leg Grows!
Bloody brilliant chap! Loving this and as I’ve said on Jonny’s vids positive Allegro stuff is rare. 👍
There aren’t too many Allegro & Princess projects out there😅
@@FabCoUK most on my channel 😂
I absolutely loved this video. Really nice to see some detailed jig talk and see what goes into something like this. Thank you!
Thanks Aiden!😬
That v6 under the bonnet at a car show 10/10 what a cool car , that v6 on track 5/10 😂 k20 ! 10/10 its the way forward for sure !imagine how well it’s gonna handle if you get that weight distribution right and by going off this man’s set of skills it’s gonna be a proper weapon ! this is binky territory for sure and I like it !
Looking forward to this series! Really watchable as well. Subbed.
Thanks!✌🏻
a K engine is much more appropriate, in many ways - so pleased you've gone down this route
Also subscribed after watching johnnys. Update ! Great to watch you explain everything so clearly , looking forward to seeing your progression on this and the princess 👍
Thanks Peter😃
Hi Adam. You could panel bond a steel strip inder the wing rails & fill/paint that area without affecting the wing paintwork. Cheers. Leigh.
That could work yeah!
Coming along nicely!
Thanks!
Nice one Adam , you know your stuff!
Thanks Dean😃
That was great, I found it so interesting and informative, love the way everything is logically explained so even folks like me can understand and follow it, a real pleasure to watch and again, the explaining of the process just makes this so good because I now understand the why n how of the process and am told why u choose this way instead of another. Gotta say thanks n cheers for putting this out there.
I've been hassling Jonny about this car for years.
Glad to see progress!
Me too! Glad to finally get my hands on it🤣
@@FabCoUK I wish someone would commission me to do a job like this! I'd lilove an excuse for a frame jig.
90% of what I do is roll cages, engine builds and custom suspension arms. Race car fabrication has to meet a bunch of regulations. One day when I have the time and money I'll do a custom one-off free hand build of something epic.
You've got the name wrong, sorry to point this out, but really, in your heart of hearts, you know this is actually an AllegWoah!
😂
Fascinating seemed a very complex process on the princess, this is another level when u see what’s involved.
It’s a lot of work! 😅
Just loved all that jigging and accurate setting up. Made me so happy.
Make me happy too John!😃
Nice to see this kind of work in detail,keep the videos coming
Good channel maintenance. I like! Marvellous. Nice patching.
It gets interesting near the end.
Subscribed, I'm expecting brackets, CAD and cups of tea!!
Seriously, I think you made the right choice convincing Johnny to go with a K20.
Thanks Chuck! I’m definitely all about too many brews ☕️
Good update, its nice to see this project coming along. You are absolutely spot on, spending time now getting the suspension right and you have the best chance of it driving well. I set up four wheel alignment on a lot of quirky / odd cars. A lot of classic minis with engine swaps or stuff that has been lowered significantly. You can do your best to get a good setup but if the driveshafts are at a terrible angle its always going to torque steer.
The late brake shoe recommended your channel. wow I am glad he did good content. keep up the good work
Thanks 🙏🏻
Get on with it fella! 😳
We had a couple of Austin Princess back in the 80s. They were great tow cars for the caravan.
Can’t imagine caravans were too heavy back then. Can’t imagine towing a modern caravan with a 2200😂
I’m surprised the newer J series V6 wasn’t considered. The swap is popular in the USA and proven to make big power. Think we only get the J35 in the UK but that’s 291 BHP stock. Maybe the packaging problems aren’t worth bothering with….but much more unique. Having said all that you can’t go wrong with a K swap. 👍🏻
Great detail and excellent video editing and narration. I look forward to the next one.
Thanks man 🤘🏻
New subscription! Like it, and i think the allegro must be K20 :)
I think you could be right ;)
Another great build 👍
Thank you! Cheers!
If Jonny bought the v6 in 2007 does that mean that this project has been going longer than Binky? I'm really hoping that not too far in the future I can see the Princess, the AllegRo and Binky all together in one place, like some kind of parallel universe BL/Austin Rover world
I guess it has! I’m sure you will, I’d love that 😍
Good videos with great detail guys!
In regards to filling the holes in the wing top I have a suggestion that sounds ridiculous but is how Iv welded extra bits to parts with moulded rubber on them that I couldn’t melt.
Immerse the bit you don’t want to get burnt from the heat of welding in water. You’d probably need an old bath and it would be awkward and a bit time consuming but you solve the burnt paint problem.
Failing that. There are some incredible adhesives around that you could use to bond the wings to a sub frame once you trim the flat edge back to a point there are no holes in it anymore.
That sounds a little sketchy to me😅 but could be a solution!
Love it dude and thanks for the icengineworks 1250 they turned up last week to go with the 3000
Just starting a 400hp B16 turbo manifold and exhaust system 👍🏻
Sounds great!😃
Defo needs to be called AllagRo
Hasn’t been much Agro for me, only Jonny🤣
@@FabCoUK living it mate, can't wait to watch this come together and than Princess of yours us also mint 👍
New sub from Jonnys channel, looking forward to some top notch fab.
Thanks Jim 😃
As the owner of a K20 CRV they are a bulletproof engine just requiring regular servicing, not forgetting the adjust the valve clearances. If you want to use all the revs and the vtec you can surprise a lot of people, in the Civic S it is very quick when used in anger. You should have a little car which will disillusion a lot of hot hatch owners.....
your are so Special , Thanks
Subscribed for this and the PrincesS, looking forwards to see how these builds progress 👍
Thanks for watching 😊
Blimey. Been watching the number of subs very slowly increase since the first episode on the PrincesS and then BOOM! and 6K+ subs 😁 Nice! You deserve it.
Thanks Stu!
Looking forward to seeing your work on Jonny's car! Subbed.
Thanks 🙏🏻
You could try and glue a strip of stainless over those spot weld holes with seam sealer mate, that would tidy it all up without damaging the paint.
Yeah someone else suggested something similar so I think that’s what I’ll do! If I use panel bond it’ll also stiffen the wings up a load too hopefully 😃
Just found your channel and subscribed. Really interested in this project, my mum used to take me to school in a similarly coloured four door. Square steering wheels all the way!
Nik just called.
He wants the CAD drawings to that jig. 😋
I think he’ll manage without 😂
New Sub!!! Going to be following this one…
Thanks man🤘🏻
@@FabCoUK No worries mate! I own a sheet metal fabrication company down on the South coast and we specialise in laser cutting and stainless/aluminium fabrication…. If you ever need anything, give us a shout…. Precision Fabrications ❤️
Hello mate 👍
Hello✌🏻
Glad your doing this car ..
Great content..
Thanks Aaron✌🏻
Suspension question: why keep the macpherson struts? The only advantage they seem to have are they are simple and cheap, in this case simple and clearance to the engine seem the only positives. A double A arm from a well supported similar sized car seems preferable in my opinion.
Double wishbone suspension is definitely better, but it’s important to remember we’re not trying to build a lap record holder, just a fun fast car. We already had those struts & hubs from previous attempts at this project too, it made sense to use them. I did consider it, but I think ultimately Jonny will never notice the difference. If I was building a track car, no brainer.
That V6 should go into a BL car as a front engined rwd project! Jonny needs to find a cheap Marina or Ital! Preferably an estate version!!
I’m well up for a RWD Marina build😃
Do i like K20s??? Not overly. Do i like Allegros!? Kinda because my sisters bf has a 5dr in the exact same colour 'Sandglo', lowered on oem Saab 95 Ronals (minilite type look) and its also a minter (but i also kind of like them too, because they are beautifully awful).
But this is project is literally a parallel world Project Binky all over again. Take two things i have no attachment to, and mash them together with some mad scientist engineering and fabrication work, and you have an epic frankenstein motor i can appreciate 👌👌 look forward to more updates. Subbed to both here and the late brake show, for this AllegRo content 😎😍
Thanks! It is pretty original in many areas, so it’s a project I was desperate to get hold of! I’m happy to admit it won’t be quite as OCD as Binky though! 🤣
@@FabCoUK thank goodness lol. Because the BOM boys where pretty flat out at the start of that mini build, making great content with their jovial nature and outstanding fabrication work. Then they suddenly stopped for ages, started doing this modern social media drip feeding and throwing back to snippets of previous videos behaviour, and every now and again threw out the odd new video, as well as straying off into other projects. That is when after 5 or so years of following the build, i just switched off an lost interest in it, and their channel.
So please dont go down that route 🥺. Would rather have yourselves fire out 3 or 4 videos across a 6month period or so of outright progress, than all this modern content bombardment of tripe, all to build a up brand. BOM where doing fine building their brand, by way of their epic fabrication work. Let your fab work and links with Late Brake Show, build up the FabCo brand naturally. Also that Princess your building is too frigging cool as well 🔥🔥😂😂 Look forward to the updates on it as well mate 💪🏻
Love This one
You are talking about the suspension and wheel setup, how important they are for a good driving and steering car. Can you take the measurements of a famous hot hatch and copy it to the Allegro?
Not so easy as that due to how narrow the allegro wheelbase is. It’s all ‘basic’ stuff though, all the information required to set this up right is out there, just a case of doing all the research!😃
Do a C27 rwd conversion.
If the can fit a 3 litre Essex V6 in Mk1 Escort (Savage/Superspeed from SA), a C27 should be doable in that.
For me anyway, rwd is much more fun than a fwd car.
Jonny wants a FWD car
Could you not plug weld the spot weld holes in the wings then get just that inner lip painted up the top edge keeping the factory exterior patina paint
It’s an option, but the holes need quite a lot of cleaning up/dressing before I could weld them. Assuming I can keep the heat low enough the paint shouldn’t burn😃
If you’re tube framing the front would it not be easier to build it all to EG civic or del sol dimensions? Nice cheap way to have a top class double wishbone setup (EG civic is 100% the same as the DC2 integra which is pretty much the best handling FWD car ever) plenty of cheap adjustable parts and shaft angles are proven etc.
Probably too far beyond that point now and you certainly seem to know what to do to make it work…..will follow to the end. 👍🏻
Really we’d need another donor car for that. There’s so many roads you can go down, we already had the Golf parts from previous attempts at this project, so just using as much as what we have as possible. Sure, other options might be better, but that’s not what this build is about 😃
@@FabCoUK I’ve scrapped so many over the years aswell…..I have an SiR del sol there I could nick the engine from and donate…..but it’s just now kinda approaching a value where it’s a shame not to restore it really.
The amount of EG civics that have passed thru my hands aswell…..they were so cheap at one point I bought one for £75 and it had £90 worth of tax left on it…..back in the day when it could be transferred.
Not really sure how far along you are……I’d happily offer up a chassis for taking measurements off…..take it as long as you like. EG civics are getting a bit expensive to get hold of. But cheap Del sols are still very available…..probably get the bits you need for free if you sell the bits you don’t need…..I only say this because that would mean every consumable front end suspension part would be off the shelf. Billet mounts from China £120…..snap a shaft and get one off eBay……like I say you’re probably too far in to scrap what you’ve done….and I have no doubt you will make an incredible job…..but having the only bespoke part being the tube frame itself…..and everything else you would ever need to replace is bolt on off the shelf would be pretty amazing.
And then adding the advantage of The best FWD suspension setup of all time and dirt cheap parts……I just can’t not mention it.
Either way I have no doubt you’ll nail it. Can’t wait to see it go. 👍🏻
Needs 4wd too....BLMC 1970s Group B Allegro!
Na, too heavy!
Jonny's tone was that of man who's been having a secret affair with the V-tec and is now struggling with how to break the news to his V6.
He’s still in love with the V6, but there’s too many issues to solve. The K20 offers a fresh start and a chance to right previous wrongs.. 👀
@@FabCoUK The K20 is also younger and slimmer.
@@totalutternutter and screams much louder! 🤐
Hinge and bracket were rather funny
Blinking smell checker " blow it ,take both.
Did Jonny think about any other rover engines? Eg t series or turbo k series? Or are they not mental enough?? Can't wait to see the progress in this 😎
Good question! You can play around with different options forever and a day, at some point you just need to pick one. I had a K20 that I tried it, it looked like it would work well, it has huge aftermarket support, it’s proven.. it was an obvious choice.
A Rover engine would have been great, but they’re all so old now, it’s just a lot more work to get to the point of a running car.
Its still a K series though ;) Theres also a tenuous link to rovers using honda engines anyway. So to me at least, a Honda K swap in any BL/rover group car is acceptable. (As is a ford 4.6 v8 lol)
The masochist in me says keep it British & go with a Rover K-series.
Light & fast when you're not changing head gaskets.
Well doesn’t feel like much of a decision - WITH THAT EPISODE TITLE - so basically talking in circles form a bit and then doing the sensible elefant in the room
Should be called AllAggro
Come over from johnnys channel and subbed. Looking forward to this.
Maybe slightly less brutal editing mid sentence?
I bang on forever, if we’re not careful it’s a 60 minute episode. Thanks for watching 😅
@@FabCoUK 60 minutes is fine :)
My opinion is what a lot of trouble for what was a very poor car from the outset. Almost as bad as restoring a metro or a montego.
"Your wing will line up with the front door" - Is this your first time working on an austin? :D
Had Minis all my life. Not my first rodeo 😅
the v6 os cool af but it wil be much less work too put the k20 in i would super charge it tho if it was mine rather than turbo it
subbed
🤘🏻
Toss up between princess / allegro blue it I'll take both.
It’s a tough choice, but the Princess takes it for style for me!
@@FabCoUK Always liked them but reliability issues stopped me buying one ( not sure if I'm right there ) but worked at a sports centre in the early 80s and a fleet of these turned up to take the sport stars away , a lot of them wouldn't start ! But you've hopefully got round that with your underpinnings , look forward to more updates.
AlegleRoGoGo
Hopefully it will GoGo one day!😅
1st and a I'm a new subby
Thanks Paul!
how come you have it? it was at that other place before.
Arm and a legro
Sounds like a John Peel session..
@@FabCoUK Wouldn't be bad then, used to love John Peel stuff
If the feet are load bearing, wouldn't it be better to put them directly on the main legs, and the castors on the side legs?
Could have been, but I was concerned with the weight of the car and my Chinese castors. I actually did such a good job squaring it all that on my level floor the car sits perfect anyway 🤩
AllegYo for the Vtec 😂
All about the VTEC!
Would the Honda V6 fit if it was put north south with the Allegro converted to rear wheel drive?
If you cut the bulkhead out, yeah.
Hi I like to ask you a question on the engine mounts. Why have you not trying to fit a full front sub frame of the Honda k20 as it will have all the steering rack a suspension lay out? I watched the video on Johnny's RUclips and you said he was using VW (VAG) front hubs? Will you be fitting Honda hubs instead? And great video on this build
Waste of time trying to fit a Civic front end as it will all end up completely redesigned around making it narrower. Jonny wants a sleeper, so that means stock Allegro track width. We’re using Golf stuff as that’s what we already had from other peoples previous attempts at completing this project.
Thanks ✌🏻
It's got to be Honda
VTEC YO!
👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
K-swap all the things!
All about the VTEC’s
Get yourself a cheap laser level.
One thing I’ll ever do is buy cheap tools, but yeah, it’d definitely be useful!
Does Rex Harrison appear in this one?
Don’t you mean, Hamilton?
I put the k20 in my mk2 Escorts much better than any Ford engine I don't think there are as many aftermarket performance part any other engine
I mean that v6 would work if you did build it as a rwd..
Sure it would have yes 🤩
No contest, honda all day long.
I am horrified by the thought of what this project will cost. I liked the original idea of making an Allegro sleeper but the project appears to have gone far beyond what is worth doing.
Just because you can and have the engineering knowledge to do it doesn't mean the end product will be worth the journey.
Nice showcase for your abilities though Adam. Not sure that I will be following the project much further.
I’m not sure I understand your statement. Sometimes just because you can is exactly the reason you should? I mean, why not? If it’s what you want, do it, and do it right. Either do it properly or don’t do it at all😊
I’d also add that for me specifically, I’m about the journey, not about the destination. Wether it’s worth it at the end is irrelevant if you have loads of fun along the way.
I can tell that you are having fun and you are doing a great job. I guess you are also getting paid for your work(either directly or by youtube subs) so to some extent it doesn't really matter if the end product is worth it or not.
I liked the idea of modifying the car on the cheap as I could relate to it but I don't see the point of completely re-engineering/re-building a car that will look like an Allegro. May as well just bolt an Allegro body on a hot hatch.
I have no criticism of you and admire greatly your engineering ability but to me the project has lost its point. To end up with an Allegro lookalike hot hatch that will have cost £40-£50 k seems to miss the point.
Just my personal opinion of what the project has become.
@@FabCoUK just thought, is Jonny no longer involved and it is now your project? That would make more sense if you were just doing it for yourself rather than Jonny paying you to build it for him.
Not painting it?? Really. I’m sure paint to sample would be okay. Not cheap but okay.
Hayabusa engine
great project, fantastic skill and engineering... yet listening to ye lads is worse than watching paint dry... next time, have a couple of shots of Tequila or similar and then record your video... P.S. more for Jonny than ye.. love the Allegro, mad to see it done..