Great video. I personally think we (freeskiers everywhere) should just agree with the definitions in this video. If nothing else, they are so well explained and illustrated we can actually see what we're talking about. Trying to agree names for subtle variants of off axis flips and spins _without_ having quality video comparisons like this is crazy (and exactly what newschoolers gets bent out of shape over on the regular!).
He's explaining it actually very well. The comparisons side by side makes it even more easier. What i like the most is, that he initiates the rotation of the flatspin with a 'punch', just because it does a MASSIVE job for your mental game. When you still not feeling it though (that means creating the trick in your head) you might wanna look at 6:58. Pay attention to his LEFT shoulder. See how it drops down to the right once he came around while doing it in a jump? That's what made the difference for me. Thinking of the opposite shoulder to be 'dropped'/'pulled' to the right side.
I think Jacobs right the flatspin may of came from mogel skiing and Jonny Mosley use to call it the dinner roll. The reason he did it was because at the time inverted manoeuvre's like backflips and rodeo's were banned in mogel skiing and because flatspins never actually get inverted or past horizontal they were technically still allowed.
As a snowboarder I find the freeski rodeo trampoline breakdown being useful for building front cork skill, which is funny since I couldn't find anything like that on snowboard channels :)
I think Skogen Sprang invented the flat 5 in the half pipe on skis @ 1999/2000. J.P. Auclairs invention of the "underflip" = "backflip 180" really started the off access progressions. Jon Olsen really perfected the flat spins with multiple grabs. Thanks for the video on the differences. Very helpful.
That instagram vid was a rodeo, at least from my view. It was more "orbital", where the skis were not directly facing the sky, but out to just above the middle point.
Its a Modern flatspin not a true flatspin the modern flat 3 is basically a rodeo 3 but looks a little bit more flipper imo. Ive never seen someone who calls the that rodeo type trick a flatspin know what they would call a rodeo 3 its like it doesn't exist to modern flat 3 guys only a switch rodeo 5 which is basically a backwards misty which is actually accurate. Regardless I think we should just call the trick a modern flat to differtiate from a true flat because then what would a true or oribital flatspin be?
Great vid on some more advanced tricks, really clears things up I think that it’d be cool for a video explaining all off axis spins, I’ve looked around and haven’t been able to find anything too helpful on this Maybe include: corked, rodeo & flat, bio, misty, d-spin, and or anything that has been done. I. E. What a kangeroo flip is, or other weird spins
@@StompItTutorials Actually I have about those off axis spins as well. What's the difference between a flatspin and a corked 5? And while I have you here, thanks so much for these videos they have helped me so much. How could I prepare preseason to be a better freestyle skier?
Tried my first rodeo 7 in snowpark today. Almost landed it on 1st try, but every time I tried it again, I felt worst and worst try after try. I hate it when it happens, because I can feel I’m getting bad habits and after it’s much harder to perfect the trick. (Took me so long to get a correct 360 with grab in this same situation) Does this happens to some of you as well?
johnny mosley did inent it because he wasnt aloud to go inverted in mogul comps back in the day so he made it when he was skiing at squaw/palisades tahoe and it was a good trick to make look good coming down legs together aswell
for me what you call flatspin , was always a sideflip and what you call rodeo was a flat spin. But i also didnt know what a rodeo was till know, so i think im not really qualified to argue here😂 i will use your naming now.
I agree a lot about the overhead factor for the names but not that much in terms of the « forward » thing. I think a lot of your flatspins are some bio. To me a flatspin is backwards but flatter than a rodeo. Anyway great video 👏🏼
Question : Flat 3 is possible or flat 3 is a rodeo 3? Rodeo you look the kick on your back and the réception, and flatspin : you jump and look the sky on your back or up of montain and after u lookin the réception its the only different no?
Hey stomp it tutorials this video was great i was wondering what music you used for the different between a flat spin and rodeo on the tramp so I could use it on my channel for ski edits (jff edits)
Were du you ski? Is it falera? And will you be doing more advanced camps i the future? Would love to join a course if the skill lvl would be somewhat higher! Thanks for the great content!
I may be wrong, but I call them different names. What you are calling a flat spin, I call an orbital flatspin, because your legs come around like they are orbiting you. I call a flat 3 halfway between a side flip and a backflip, and an inverted backward spin is a rodeo.
When I was trying rodeos yesterday I was setting them into my underflip. Then when I tried to corrected it corrected it into a flat spin. (Unintentionally) cool thing is I can flat spin now. Frustrating thing is I can’t set the rodeo rotation. Undeflips are my thing so my body wants to muscle memory go into that motion. Even in the air. I’ll kinda set rodeo then my brain just takes it back to under flips. Anyone have any advice?
Where is the gym/training room, that u were using, located. I’d really like to get into more advanced, vertical rotation type tricks and I’d assume their is easiest to learn in a facility like the one u were at.
Once I jumped over a big ski-jump but I was too slow so I hit the ground pretty hard and didn't even land on the back side of the jump where it goes down hill again. I landed on the straight ground. I also had a little back position so I landed on my heels. Now they are hurting since then but the doctor says it's all right but it's still hurting. That was about 2 years ago. Do you know what I could do? And also I can't enjoy jumping that much anymore because I'm always scared that the pain gets worse so I'm scared of jumping higher and further... Do you have any experience or tips on these 2 things?
So is this already settled... when it's a misty (flip), rodeo (flip), flatspin or just corked 360 (or some other rotations). IMHO the orignal or full names of the tricks do give an indication. misty and rodeo are flips, so you need to invert in them, flatspin (and corked) involve only spinning, no inverting. Finally what is then the difference of cork and flatspin? I have been under the impression that for corked spins the axis stays the same pretty much through the whole spin, where as in flatspins also the axis is spinned (basically a looks like a funnel). So in flips, you invert and depending on the kind of flip, you also spin in one or multiple axis. In straight spin, your spin axis stays vertical. In corked spins, you tilt the axis (but not inverting, ie. head below hips) and it stays pretty much the same. In flatspin, you tile your rotation axis (same as in cork), but also the axis spins more, forming almost like a funnel.
when I used to skate a flatspin was the third axis of rotation (not flipping or twisting), like if you were lying down on a giant vinyl on a turntable and rotating around your pelvis. That's why it is called a FLAT spin, because you are lying flat. So in that original paradigm there are no examples of flatspin in this video, just flipping and twisting.
I swear my "rodeo" is somewhere in between this lol. definitely not as straight backwards, but certainly a lot more flippy then the flat 3 that you are demonstrating. Mine is almost kind of a Lincoln loop, but definetly with a more rodeo like axis. anyone else?
It’s a backwards leaning off axis spin where you don’t go completely upside down. If the feet go in line with the head while upside down it’s called a d-spin
It's all about axis of rotation. For a normal 360 the axis of rotation is vertical. For a Cork 3 it is off centre. Usually somewhere between vertical and horizontal
Great video. I personally think we (freeskiers everywhere) should just agree with the definitions in this video. If nothing else, they are so well explained and illustrated we can actually see what we're talking about. Trying to agree names for subtle variants of off axis flips and spins _without_ having quality video comparisons like this is crazy (and exactly what newschoolers gets bent out of shape over on the regular!).
nope
the control you have over your body is legit incredible, that form is just perfect
And he’s over 30 I think
Well, I think we all agree this is the best freestyle skiing tutorials YT channel! :3
He's explaining it actually very well. The comparisons side by side makes it even more easier.
What i like the most is, that he initiates the rotation of the flatspin with a 'punch', just because it does a MASSIVE job for your mental game. When you still not feeling it though (that means creating the trick in your head) you might wanna look at 6:58. Pay attention to his LEFT shoulder. See how it drops down to the right once he came around while doing it in a jump? That's what made the difference for me. Thinking of the opposite shoulder to be 'dropped'/'pulled' to the right side.
Thx 👍
Judge: Show me on your little snowboarder doll where the rail touched you
ScrattleGG 😂
Lmaooo
I think Jacobs right the flatspin may of came from mogel skiing and Jonny Mosley use to call it the dinner roll. The reason he did it was because at the time inverted manoeuvre's like backflips and rodeo's were banned in mogel skiing and because flatspins never actually get inverted or past horizontal they were technically still allowed.
True except the dinner roll was a cork 7
Please do a video on tricks you can do on a button tow or a ski lift, they look so cool!
This is the content I live for!
Great video! As a rollerblader I always had this question. You cleared it up!! Would love to see you breakdown a corkscrew.
Fantastic video!! This is the best video you’ve made in a while! Please do more videos like this! (Misty/Bio, Cork/Underflip maybe?)
just the other day I was wondering why stomp it didn't have a tutorial on this
i love you jens
Glad to finally see some clarification. Your reasoning definitely makes sense
Thank you!
Finally got backies on lock and feeling as confident as ever to try a flat 3 . So excited!
Same bro
I can't wait to try these out next week!! ⛷️
This video was great at explaining the differences between flat , rodeo, and misty.
Thanks for showing me _Running from my Doom - Mama Zula_
Dope track AF fam as the kids would say
As a snowboarder I find the freeski rodeo trampoline breakdown being useful for building front cork skill, which is funny since I couldn't find anything like that on snowboard channels :)
I think Skogen Sprang invented the flat 5 in the half pipe on skis @ 1999/2000. J.P. Auclairs invention of the "underflip" = "backflip 180" really started the off access progressions. Jon Olsen really perfected the flat spins with multiple grabs. Thanks for the video on the differences. Very helpful.
That instagram vid was a rodeo, at least from my view. It was more "orbital", where the skis were not directly facing the sky, but out to just above the middle point.
Wut? Rodeo 360? That's a flatspin!
exactly
yeah right, buddy
@Christoffer Sjöheim that's not a Lincoln loop what are u on 😂
Its a Modern flatspin not a true flatspin the modern flat 3 is basically a rodeo 3 but looks a little bit more flipper imo. Ive never seen someone who calls the that rodeo type trick a flatspin know what they would call a rodeo 3 its like it doesn't exist to modern flat 3 guys only a switch rodeo 5 which is basically a backwards misty which is actually accurate. Regardless I think we should just call the trick a modern flat to differtiate from a true flat because then what would a true or oribital flatspin be?
Basically his rodeo 3 is a modern flatspin his flatspin is a true flatspin and id argue that a rodeo 3 is kind in-between the axis of these 2 tricks
I’ve been waiting for someone to make a video like this for five years. Thank you lol
Cork 5 tutorial would be nice
i got you soon ;)
@@CoachTrifes how bout a misty 5 tutorial daddy Trifes?
Dang when you did the flat 5 I thought it seemed like a misty and you read my mind 😂 thanks for the correcting lol
Was gonna try a flat this weekend, great timing!
Wheres this freestyle academy and park that you are filming these amazing videos?...looks awesome 😁
Great vid on some more advanced tricks, really clears things up
I think that it’d be cool for a video explaining all off axis spins, I’ve looked around and haven’t been able to find anything too helpful on this
Maybe include: corked, rodeo & flat, bio, misty, d-spin, and or anything that has been done. I. E. What a kangeroo flip is, or other weird spins
I think that is a good idea.
@@StompItTutorials Actually I have about those off axis spins as well. What's the difference between a flatspin and a corked 5?
And while I have you here, thanks so much for these videos they have helped me so much. How could I prepare preseason to be a better freestyle skier?
Tried my first rodeo 7 in snowpark today. Almost landed it on 1st try, but every time I tried it again, I felt worst and worst try after try.
I hate it when it happens, because I can feel I’m getting bad habits and after it’s much harder to perfect the trick. (Took me so long to get a correct 360 with grab in this same situation)
Does this happens to some of you as well?
100% on point! Great Video!
Thank you :)
finally! this is my list to-do. big thanks!
Going in Laax this saturday. Cant wait!
Enjoy!
Great video!
Great vid man.
Best tutorial ever
waited for this viedoa for a long time tysm!
johnny mosley did inent it because he wasnt aloud to go inverted in mogul comps back in the day so he made it when he was skiing at squaw/palisades tahoe and it was a good trick to make look good coming down legs together aswell
for me what you call flatspin , was always a sideflip and what you call rodeo was a flat spin. But i also didnt know what a rodeo was till know, so i think im not really qualified to argue here😂 i will use your naming now.
This video hits it right on you should do a video on bios not to sure what bios are haha
Your rodeo and flat spin are the exact opposites of what I know but it’s still chill cause I just reverse them and I can still learn
I agree a lot about the overhead factor for the names but not that much in terms of the « forward » thing. I think a lot of your flatspins are some bio. To me a flatspin is backwards but flatter than a rodeo.
Anyway great video 👏🏼
I learned that rodeos were less flippy and flats were more, hues I have it the other way around
Textbook perfection. Show us your own steeze too pls
Yes new video
Do a "DINNER ROLL" ! :)
underrated
Can you do a misty tutorial please? 🙏
Question : Flat 3 is possible or flat 3 is a rodeo 3? Rodeo you look the kick on your back and the réception, and flatspin : you jump and look the sky on your back or up of montain and after u lookin the réception its the only different no?
Almost 200k Suns keep pushing
Subs*
I was about to look for a video like this, but my recommendations were faster
Me too. We have a lot in common
How about a vid explaining and demonstrating corks and bio.
Hey man, just a quick question. Will there be other camps this year? Really wanna come and progress a bit further under your guidance!
Hey stomp it tutorials this video was great i was wondering what music you used for the different between a flat spin and rodeo on the tramp so I could use it on my channel for ski edits (jff edits)
ruclips.net/video/QT0HRZhTxnw/видео.html ;)
Loved it.
Please do a Info vid when you‘re announcing the new camps in winter 2020
I mean late 2020
epic video!
Great tutorial I think you do a great job of explaining it but, I think that they are the same trick ie Rodeo and Flatspin.
Rodeo and flat 5s and 7s does indeed merge to something similar rather often but there is a big difference between a rodeo 3 and flat 3.
8:25 we get a full 5¢
My next new trick will be this
Were du you ski? Is it falera? And will you be doing more advanced camps i the future? Would love to join a course if the skill lvl would be somewhat higher! Thanks for the great content!
sander mattson he skis in laax due to a sponsorship
Nick Zee whats the ski senter called? And which is the best to go to if you are at the advanced level? Cheers.
What’s the song?
Can you do the difference between rodeo 3 vs cork 3 vs flat 3 ?
I may be wrong, but I call them different names. What you are calling a flat spin, I call an orbital flatspin, because your legs come around like they are orbiting you. I call a flat 3 halfway between a side flip and a backflip, and an inverted backward spin is a rodeo.
We like you! You are cool and ski. What more can you be?? Lol I agree flat is flat.
When I was trying rodeos yesterday I was setting them into my underflip. Then when I tried to corrected it corrected it into a flat spin. (Unintentionally) cool thing is I can flat spin now. Frustrating thing is I can’t set the rodeo rotation.
Undeflips are my thing so my body wants to muscle memory go into that motion. Even in the air. I’ll kinda set rodeo then my brain just takes it back to under flips. Anyone have any advice?
@jonolsson what do you think?
What’s that mini figurine you used?
what for skis do you have?
Where is the gym/training room, that u were using, located. I’d really like to get into more advanced, vertical rotation type tricks and I’d assume their is easiest to learn in a facility like the one u were at.
Freestyle Academy in Laax.
Once I jumped over a big ski-jump but I was too slow so I hit the ground pretty hard and didn't even land on the back side of the jump where it goes down hill again. I landed on the straight ground. I also had a little back position so I landed on my heels. Now they are hurting since then but the doctor says it's all right but it's still hurting. That was about 2 years ago. Do you know what I could do? And also I can't enjoy jumping that much anymore because I'm always scared that the pain gets worse so I'm scared of jumping higher and further... Do you have any experience or tips on these 2 things?
1. Go see an osteopath!
2. Watch his videos on how to deal with fear
Mini @@misterdekabrist yeah I did both but it didn't help
What’s the differance between a cork 3 and a rodeo 3
With what you consider a rodeo 3, I keep ending up rotating to 5 even though I dont want to. Any tips? (other than rotate less - Duh)
So is this already settled... when it's a misty (flip), rodeo (flip), flatspin or just corked 360 (or some other rotations).
IMHO the orignal or full names of the tricks do give an indication. misty and rodeo are flips, so you need to invert in them, flatspin (and corked) involve only spinning, no inverting. Finally what is then the difference of cork and flatspin? I have been under the impression that for corked spins the axis stays the same pretty much through the whole spin, where as in flatspins also the axis is spinned (basically a looks like a funnel).
So in flips, you invert and depending on the kind of flip, you also spin in one or multiple axis. In straight spin, your spin axis stays vertical. In corked spins, you tilt the axis (but not inverting, ie. head below hips) and it stays pretty much the same. In flatspin, you tile your rotation axis (same as in cork), but also the axis spins more, forming almost like a funnel.
is rodeo easier than rodeo
For me a rodeo is when you start learning it from the base of a backflip, the flat spin comes from a 360, at least that's what I think makes sense
does someone know the song in the background?
Moritz Paker Running from my Doom by Mama Zula
@@roryedwards2811 big thanks. Thats going to be my new skiing Song 👌
great vid apart from that I would say his flatspin on tramp was much closer to a bio 5 than flat
Flatspin is coolest
The rodeo is all g but your flat spin technique is actually generating a bio, at best an orbital flat. Flats are basically a backwards misty.
What is the difference between a cork and a rodeo
Good vidio
Could be a dump question but what's the difference between cork an flat?
Or even better bio cork and flat...
when I used to skate a flatspin was the third axis of rotation (not flipping or twisting), like if you were lying down on a giant vinyl on a turntable and rotating around your pelvis. That's why it is called a FLAT spin, because you are lying flat. So in that original paradigm there are no examples of flatspin in this video, just flipping and twisting.
I swear my "rodeo" is somewhere in between this lol. definitely not as straight backwards, but certainly a lot more flippy then the flat 3 that you are demonstrating. Mine is almost kind of a Lincoln loop, but definetly with a more rodeo like axis. anyone else?
Where did you get the figurine?
0:46 what happened something was missing in the audio
Intro song pls
chonkyfonky the III Running from my Doom by Mama Zula
What the song at the start
Geils Video👌🏼
isnt rodeo a forward spinning variation?
Could you please make a how to spin 1080??
No need for that. Learn excellent 360s first step it up slowly to 5s, 7s 9s then 1080s.
Just spin more haha
Can you carve Well on twin tip skis?
What do you think about these carves? ruclips.net/video/KWqQ4pf2OII/видео.html
what’s a cork then?
TNT Extreme Sports I’m pretty sure it’s the same as a flatspin. But instead of leaning forward, you lean back.
TNT Extreme Sports a 360 720 or 1080
Cork is a normal spin but it’s off axis, so it kind of wobbles
Its an off axis spin
It’s a backwards leaning off axis spin where you don’t go completely upside down. If the feet go in line with the head while upside down it’s called a d-spin
Whats the difference between cork 360 and a normal 360
It's all about axis of rotation. For a normal 360 the axis of rotation is vertical. For a Cork 3 it is off centre. Usually somewhere between vertical and horizontal
Since when are you using armadaskis? If im noz mistaken
Mistaken. Bentchetler 100s. My friend was on armada.
@@StompItTutorials oh dear, i guess i need some glasses😅
Nice videos btw, i've learnt alot!
Keep it up🙏
can u give me links on amazon of your goggles, helmet and everything ? ^_^
see even though I agree that it makes more sense for a flatspin to be not inverted, a flat 3 Is a flat 3 so I'm conflicted
Wow ‼️
Do you live in switzerland? i
Would I be right if I said that a Rodeo 540 is also a Backflip 540?
more like a sloppily executed backflip 180
Agree or a steezy backflip 180
What goggles do you have ?
Atomic Revent Stereo
i alway do like a rodeo 450 or a side flip, flat is hard