“Correct the record!” Tory Minister accused of misleading the House
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- Опубликовано: 24 апр 2024
- Labour’s Dawn Butler on a point of order accuses Leader of the House of Commons Penny Mordaunt of deliberating creating a false narrative while at the despatch box.
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What an absolute joke that deputy speaker is
She is a night mare
We might actually be in the final days of democracy…. What is all this? People are dying starving jobless.. and these people sit on their high horses waffling… WHAT THE ACTUAL F IS GOING ON???
@@Chatguy3and keep spending thousands upon thousands of pounds on this ridiculous scheme
Along with the speaker.
And the main one
Deputy speaker is the weakest person in politics. She has 0 backbone and never does her job unless forced to. Shocking
isn't she tory?
It isn't really. She is my MP and we've all known for a long time that she's a useless waste of space
Yes@@jmplans
Taking her lead from the speaker.
What do you expect from tories? Competence, honesty? Haha, nice one!
Only in this country are we stupid enough to protect liars and punish truth callers. What a nest of vipers.
‘The truth hurts’ FFS that is the most ridiculous, petty and childish retort I have heard all week 🤦🏻♂️
One can only imagine that what she meant to say was "the truth hurts when you're a Tory, that's why we avoid it so often." It's the only possible context in which what she said can make any sense at all.
Petty Mordor.
That's a few more votes the Tories have chucked away by behaving so pathetically. And Mourdant wants to be the leader of her party.
"She lied, here is proof"
"ThE tRuTH hUrtS"
Same old Tory Sc*m.
Penny Mordor just got away with lying to the Commons. Typical.
The truth and Tories are not bed-fellows.
Lying to the Commons is a breach of the Ministerial Code and is a resignation matter.
I hope Chris Bryant raises this one at the next opportunity.
Bedfellows with “bad men” most of them...
@@barnigranero5882 The "leader of the house" should also be responsible. She KNEW Penny was lying, and when forced to face proof, she pretends it wasn't deliberate. She was clearly biased towards the tories.
@@cantin8697 Penny Mordaunt is the leader of the house. The woman you're referring to is the deputy speaker.
@@cantin8697 Do you mean the Deputy Speaker?
I agree if that's what you meant.
Dawn Butler got thrown out for calling Boris Johnson a liar, which was an understatement. You clearly can't state the obvious anymore. The speakers since Bercow left have been weak and pitiful.
That's exactly the point. MP's elect them, and given the Tories have a large majority they can put their own lackey in there.
I agree, but the issue is with the politicians. I agree that people should be held accountable, but you can be accountable to yourself. I know Bercow wasn't perfect, but he did call people out at least. I think being the speaker is an extremely difficult job. Like being a football ref.
Dawn Butler calling out the government's lies and then being punished for doing so again.
Dawn never lies though does she? The hilarious traffic stop farce for example
I think she's found her calling. She should make a point of doing this weekly if not daily
@@Panzerfaustchen There's lies and lies that fuck us in the ass as a country. Which lies are worse?
Kind of sums up the absolute state of this country.
You’re referring to same Dawn Butler who cried racism to try and get off a driving charge , shame on you.
Oh fuck right off with this "inadvertently" language. In trying to implement the rules of the house the deputy-speaker is protecting the government.
Isn’t it awful that it’s more serious to accuse someone of lying than actually lying.
Mordaunt is a joke,let us hope this charlatan is never near the levers of power.
She's on the government front bench right now.
... But, THE SWORD!?! THE SWORD?!?
She'll be gone in a couple of months.
They've had 14 years and achieved nothing, just made everything worse.
not for the rich, they've never had it so good. and that is the point.
This needs to be a Labour slogan, the Conservatives have had 14 years and achieved nothing! Just made everything worse.
And of course COVID 19
the Lockdowns
and the Ukraine war
has nothing whatsoever to do with it. 🤔😳. 😂😂😂😂😂
@@muttley5958 yes plenty of corrupt profiteering during Covid for friends of the Conservatives. And oh look over there kind of distraction as the Conservatives run the country into the ground!
Wrong they’ve achieved the destruction of Britain
Again. The cowardly speaker defends the corrupt party in power.
😂😂😂 and labour butler the box ticker
You mean labour
@@karlwilliams2703 Really. But the white folks in power that are f-in up the country. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
The deputy speaker did a horrible job correcting lies. If it’s impossible to call something out she needs to not let slander go unanswered. Parliamentary privilege only works when the speaker moderates debate
..... or when the members of the house have enough integrity to speak the truth.
Sadly, with this government, we are a long, long way from that.
So much shock for accusing someone of lying, but the actual act of lying is fine. Bizarre. The whole system needs to change.
I'd be more than fine for accusing people of lying to not be allowed in the commons, provided the speaker does their job properly by not allowing the lie to go unchallenged. otherwise you'll just end up with everyone accusing their opposition with lying and it'll be chaos.
@@Ajalemes it's fucking chaos now with fuckers lying blatantly knowing they won't have to tell the fucking truth
What a horrible Tory she is.
That’s tautology.
she really is disgusting.
Why are we paying these people, their childish playground tactics… pathetic
I for one will be very happy to see Penny Mordaunt deprived of her seat at the next General Election.
That's a bit cruel that you want her to lose her Job. 😕
That is part of the game when you become an MP. Were you so sad in 2019 when a lot of MPs lost their jobs thanks to Johnson's lies?
@@johnscotcher9753 But Penny is actually a good egg🥚. I can't understand hating on many of the conservatives. But Penny is a shining light. We need her in oppression
Penny Mordaunt belongs in Reader's Wives rather than Parliament
@@Gavin48 Not when her party have:
* Overseen by far the highest rate of excess deaths during Covid of any European country
* Run down the NHS, to the point where 250 patients per week are dying because they cannot get the operations or medical treatment they need in time
* Funnelled hundreds of billions of pounds into the hands of the super-rich
* Allowed raw sewage to be pumped into our rivers, lakes and coastal waters
* Allowed energy bills to rise so high that the profits of energy companies have increased tenfold,
* Allowed our roads, school buildings, hospital buildings, prison buildings and court buildings to fall into such disrepair as to be on the point of collapse.
* Overseen the biggest rise in child poverty and inequality in modern history
* Introduced profoundly undemocratic legislation, breaking International Laws in the process?
* Enabled landlords to inflict no-fault evictions on thier tenants any time they want to increase their rent, whilst allowing rising damp and mould to take hold in these properties
* Inflicted a VERY hard Brexit on the UK, ending Freedom of Movement, which together with 14 years of austerity measures have prevented the UK economy from properly recovering after the 2008/9 economic crash, and the pandemic.
* Allowed for corruption, ineptitude and irresponsibility at the highest level
And you think I'm being CRUEL? SERIOUSLY?
Dawn Butler - again - proving that the HoC is incapable of maintaining veracity.
My God! It is disgusting to see how far a person has to go in the Wastemonster system to supposedly not cause offence. Even the truth has to be sacrificed!
You're perfectly allowed to lie --- as long as you're a tory. You're allowed to say extremely offensive stuff --- which are even blatately wrong.
But god forbid you even try to point out the lies and correct them if you're literally any other party... _That_ would be offensive.
That Deputy speaker is a Current Tory Party Member and MP.
Tells you EVERYTHING you need to know "UNBIASED" MY ARSE!
Unlike the totally unbiased Hoyle you mean? Hoyle who pulls up Tory MPs for the slightest thing while allowing rowdy Labour MPs to behave how they like, and he always gives Sir Beer a big build up and introduces him like the star turn at the palladium.
@@alberttatlock1541 lol no he doesnt. hes useless.
@@alberttatlock1541 Don't know which honk-honk big-shoes-and-bow-tie clown-world Parliament you're watching, but it's not the one in Westminster.
Get her voted out. I never knew she was a serving MP. What a hopeless deputy but so is the Speaker of the House😊
Well you must be ABIT thick butler the box ticker THICK
Make them as close to zero seats as you can at this years General Election.
So the leader of the house cannot mislead the house because the speaker would have corrected her, but if they don't then what they are speaking is truth?
What stupid rule is that. My god we need reform, that is completely barmy.
You know, I might've MIGHT'VE one day seen Penny as leader and me PERHAPS giving her the benefit of the doubt. That's completely shattered after that exchange and she can fully go in the bin with the rest of them.
Complete and utter worm.
@Brawhammer Well don't you realise the tories are intent on redefining the meaning of everything, after all they have just got away with redefining the definition of "safe" - as in what constitutes as a safe country! They all believe they are above being questioned.
From the same brilliant minds that brought us a bill saying that Rwanda is a safe country, because screw reality.
Oh, look! Mordor once again lying in the house.....and getting away with it.
That woman is despicable. An odious human being of epic proportions, but hey, come the next GE she'll be gone.
Every cloud and all that 👍🏼
If someone lies, you can call them a liar
Not in british politics. Very convenient
What lie though?
ridiculously, you can't explicitly call someone a liar in there or it's against the rules...like wtf
Somewhere along the line, they've forgotten that their titles of honourable/right honourable are actually supposed to mean something.
That's a big problem in our politics today. The rules are based on members being honourable, and therefore rarely bring anyone to account when they're far from honourable!
@@leehenry5764That Labour did not celebrate St George’s day and were set against it. Were you listening boyo?
Shame-on-you Mordaunt. A bad loser in advance
Why do politicians get so upset when people say they are lying?
Is it not a specific requirement of the job role
So she’s just allowed to mislead then when called out no one does anything about? How and why is this allowed, get Bearcrow back at least he held people to account
I hope this isn't let slide. Get her back in to correct the record.
Lindsey would be proud of his deputy 'I see no ships'
I assume Madame Speaker is a Tory herself…?🙄
Penny for Mordaunt's leadership ambitions? That was a pathetic display. Equally the usual weak platitudes from the deputy speaker too. Also, that trash from Mordaunt is perfectly fine yet Rayner calling Sunak a pint sized loser is an outrage?!
"You can't accuse the leader of the house of misleading the house because that would be quite wrong" get this whole fucking system to fuck, what a joke.
Deputy speaker who sees speaks and hears nothing. Yep. She's a tory alright 👍.
I'm def not a Tory, but I know enough to recognise that she is implementing the rules. Clearly you do not not know that much
@UKAlanR who's rules. Rules according to sunak. Speakers of the House have become a joke. Every time a point of order is asked, they reply with waffle instead of using the true meaning of what is and is not accountable. There's a saying. If a job is too tough . Then move on. Parliament has become a den of jokers . Overpayed and over here.
@@dawngibson2640 Parliament's rules, as detailed in Erskine May. There are reasons and layers of logic that I can't and shouldn't have to go into - you can find out for yourself.
In this case, the DS is trying to help Dawn Butler avoid the charge of accusing another member (Mordaunt) of misleading, while allowing Butler to still make her point. I suspect you'd prefer it if they all screamed at each other the whole time, but it wouldn't get anyone anywhere.
@UKAlanR It wouldn't matter if they screamed at each other anyway. They only have ears for their own voices in that den of eniquity. The nation has had enough of the situation in parliament. Until someone actually stands up in parliament and honestly speaks for Joe public instead of their self survival. I doubt we will ever get an honest country. Your entitled to your opinion. I'm entitled to mine. It's called democracy. I'll leave it there and thank you for your insight to how things are run in Westminster. As for Thomas Erskine may. He was born way before my time. And like all historians I don't necessarily have to agree to his rule of law. Even if the sheep of parliament have to.
Need a complete reset of government
So she will not correct the record lol? so do we have a speaker of the house if they don't do anything ?
👏🏾👏🏾👍🏾
I'm absolutely astonished. I had no inkling that the Tories could sink lower in my estimation. By by jove, the bloody well just did.
Bugger my buttocks and call me Shirley!
FFS, the arcane rules of the HOC are an affront to sensibilities. Perhaps we nerd an AI fact checker constantly monitoring them, wired into a massive klaxon.
When the last Labour leader, who incidentally lives in their minds rent free after 5 years, moved for St George's Day to become a national holiday. That guy was unpatriotic, apparently
Accusing someone of misleading ❌
Actually lying ❎
Once again, shows how utterly stupid the rules of the HoC are. There are more consequences for MPs who *accuse* another MP of lying than there are for the actual MP who is lying. It's weak management as shown by the deputy speaker here and has also been shown time and time again by the speaker which has led to British politics being in the utterly shit state it is in right now. Both should leave their jobs ASAP, the stupid rule on not being able to accuse another MP of lying should be dropped. Bring in a new set of speakers who actually have some f*cking balls and who will hold the members of the house to account.
Everything I see from this speaker is just allowing mp's to say whatever inflammatory comments they wish. She seems to be allowing MP's to lie about whatever they so please.
Fishy Rishi even said himself it's an unworkable policy as chancellor. You should share the clip
And THAT is our democracy ❗
Wow, this is unbelievable.
Ha ha ha immigration four times higher than under Labour at net 745,000 over 600,000 had enough of the Tories and left
Also if the leader of the house says something that is factually incorrect - how is it they can’t be wrong? So messed up
How does one balance the obligatory use of the term "Honourable lady/gentleman" and misleading the House by using the term?
It’s come to who wraps the most flags around themselves. This is where we are.
Mordaunt has lost her Mojo. Obviously she has been informed she will not be the next Tory leader.
Or re-elected - she has been looking like a bulldog chewing a wasp at PMQs for the past few months.
she could always swap to Reform
@@simoningate2056 was just going to say the same thing. Face like a slapped arse!
She never had any to begin with.
Penny Mordaunt loves the sounds of her own voice, she will blame everyone else.
Her party have lost the immigrant argument. Her party wasted millions on their mates. It's time this woman was kicked out..
As for Dame Eleanor Laing, the Tory deputy speaker, she is supposed to be neutral but ALWAYS defends the Tories against every body. It is time the Speaker was neutral and not an MP
So the lie stood.
What a sickening antiquated corrupt arse of a place!
Its utterly shocking that the speaker is more worried about the accusation (wanting to suppress it) rather than the actual fault and lets Penny get away with that.
The oppositions need to protest her as a disgrace.
So, even after lying and being called out for it, then given an easy way to 'correct the record', Penny Arrogant basically tells the Deputy Speakert to shove it!
Not once has the speaker or deputy speaker pulled up an mp or pm, they know to be misleading the house. Not once.
Seems awfully like one side is allowed to throw insults with total impunity and the other side is constantly told to watch what they say!
Send the speaker of the house to Rwanda, along with every last damn politician who supposedly claims to "represent " us.
Well it helps to have a weak speaker when you have a weak government !
the joy of this medieval theatre performance...
Everything that is wrong with our parliament. A senior politician lies and rather than that being picked up, ite the 'unparliamentary language' used when calling out a liar.
What utter nonsense.
It reminds me of when Angela Reyner called Chris Clarke scum. Because he is. He voted to NOT feed children during COVID. How that doesn't make you anything other than scum is beyond me.
Madness that you cant say someone is lying when its so blatant...
Hostile Environment lives on in many new ways!!
Why did the House speaker pull penny up making the comment "the truth hurts" as that was at the comment Dawn Butlers saying about misleading the house, as she was asked to withdraw the comment in effect?.
Stand up and fight!
Shows how low the Tories have got, she knows if she says that out of parliament, she will be sued to the hills, so she comes up with a load of bs inside the chamber, lower than a snake's belly, soon to be gone, gone, gone....
Politicians have a habit of "inadvertently" misleading people.
Well done Dawn Bulter always calling out bull shit
How many people leave Britain ever year to emigrated and how many people come here to seek asylum
Ahh, the "STAND UP & FIGHT" 🪳
Love how the Deputy Speaker is impartial....
They are protecting the establishment, why because they are the establishment. That includes Starmer, oh that should be sir keir, what more do we need to know.
Did the minister attend a 'Commons Honesty and Integrity Course' run by Boris Johnson ?
There's WEFminster and the people locked in a battle for truth and justice...
And there it is, not with a bang but a whimper. That strange silence said it all. Whatever vestige of decency left in the institution died in that moment.
Penny “we must stand up and fight” mordant, what a specimen!
OMG talk about a Tory Deputy Speaker being clairvoyant in what she thought PM was saying/thinking. Perhaps MDS could state 6 numbers and we wont have to worry about the impact of the this Gov't handling of our Country and its economy any more!!
Forgetting that immigration has BALLOONED under the the tories, particularly from India.
What a lot of people fail to understand is that it used to be unthinkable for someone to deliberately lie like the Tories. The rules of the House envisaged MPs being "Honourable Gentlemen" and not disingenuous. It just shows that the rules of the HoC are slightly outdated, and need to be changed to reflect the fact that quite a few politicians are more comfortable in the sewer than others.
It isn't the rules, it's the lack of enforcement. Just like everything else in this shit hole of a country since 2010. All the literal shit the water companies are pumping into our rivers and lakes and seas is still very much illegal under UK law, but the government just don't bother to enforce it. This is happening with everything.
So they can flagrantly say what they like..?? What's the point then..??
Defence spending gonna cost 70 thousand civil servants their job's
But Rishi says we can keep sending 2.5 billion a year to keep the war going for as long as it is needed...
I wonder if it's going to be 70,000 this year, 70,000 next year, and then the overt privatisation of DVLC, HMRC etc. 🤔 Magic money tree is back
It’s such BS that you’re not allowed to call out someone blatantly lying on the house. Like wtf even is our political system.
It’s crazy that a Tory politician can lie without reproach, but if another politician calls out that lie, they get admonished!?!?
Give us a General Election date and we'll show you how much the truth hurts!!!
A tory telling a blatant lie and doubling down when corrected? Surely not!
FFS!!!! Unbelievable. Bring back Bercow
woeful
You can lie in the house but not aloud to call some one up on that lie.
Would the speaker kindly ask the leader of the house how she knows that the truth hurts, since it appears she dosent know what truth is.
So you cannot say that the other side are dishonest, but you can make stupid jokes about their suits, ties, sandwiches. How quaint. Truly a parliament for our times.
Does the Speaker not realise the Leader of the House treated her as a joke and showed zero respect for her or her office.
Why do we continue with the ridiculous ‘politeness’ of questioning a statement when it can clearly be shown to be a lie.
The mess this country is in and we get this!
so not only did lying mordaut mislead the house, she got away with not even correcting the record. what a fantastic job this spineless deputy speaker does. get them OUT!
Point of order, what about misleading and lying to the people of England😁
You won't have parliamentary priviledge forever!
Dawn Butler accuses Penny of misleading the house. Pots and kettles. This week Sir Kneel says they are the patriotic party, last week they were refusing to have British flag on leaflets.
What is the point of having a speaker of the house?
Deliberate lies go unchallenged. Honest challengers are chastised.
Bizarre. How can the speaker think she knows the accuracy of all Tory statements?
I have had enough of personal insults, when will some politicians start to speak about good policy for the UK.
What an absolute disgrace
Not only the Tory Government, but the Deputy Speaker appear to be unfit for purpose. What tripe.