LEICA vs FUJIFILM? | a discussion about this comparison.
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I've seen a handful of Leica vs Fujifilm videos over the past year. Join me as I explore this comparison in this video. Let me know what you think. Are these comparisons helpful for you?
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01:31 - LEICA vs FUJIFILM?
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You've missed an important connection between Leica and Fuji. To me it seems that a lot of Fuji shooters, are secretly just Leica shooters in training. They start off by saying that they don't want or need a Leica, because the Fuji serves their purpose, but their denial is just a part of the process of "Leicafication". A few years down the line, they get the opportunity to buy a Leica "for a good price" and they jump at it with both hands. Then they try to convince people around them, that they aren't switching, but just curious… Then they become hooked by the Leica vibes or the Leica hype, or just the adulation from other Fuji shooters online, who are in the same secret Leica-love-affair bracket as they. Then they switch, and sell all their Fuji gear, and act like they've always been life-long Leica shooters. I'm sure, Leica, just like a good street drug dealer, are well aware of this, and so they feed the hype, and constantly raise the bar, knowing that strung-out wannabe's will do almost anything to get into the name-brand gang. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure Leica and and even Fuji are excellent cameras, but clearly to these users, it seems, it is not just about photography, it's about something else, and they are willing to pay through the nose for it. RUclips seems to be awash these days with Leica reviewers new and old, fawning over their expensive purchases, and I wouldn't be surprised if the algorythm had something to do it. I sometimes watch these uploads for about five minutes, and then get bored, which would probably be explained away by Leica Likers as being sour grapes, as I do not have one… My philosophy is to shoot what you want, and if shooting Leica or Fuji or even film makes you happy, then knock yourself out… 📸
Good points! And I agree, shoot with what you want! Thanks so much for watching and for your comment!
*What a good joke! Become a comedian please, or write material to comedians.*
Many FX shooters will go to GFX, before Leica, especially those who don't like rangefinders and prefer SLR designs.
I love your everyman outlook on photography. It is so instructive and so inspiring to so many of us. Long may you run.
Thank you so much! That’s exactly the vibe I’m going for. Hopefully I can continue to build an audience looking for that exact thing. Thanks so much for watching and commenting!
I have the older Leicas: MP240 and the Q. I also have the XT-2. All I can say is the more you use and know Leica the more you’ll appreciate Fujifilm. Leica is great and probably the best but Fujifilm is the best bang for the buck if you love analog cameras and film like results.
Interesting points here for sure. I admire Fujifilm and have for years. They make beautiful cameras and I love the colors. There's no shame in camera brands, artistry is everywhere! Nice points, good discussion !
Thank you! And I love Leicas for sure. And like I’ve said, when I can get the money for the one I want, I’ll have a Leica. Hopefully I’ll have both systems going.
I started shooting Fujifilm because the dials were an easy transition from my film cameras. Then you discover digital Leica might even be closer to that film feel. Then you find out the price for that extra film feel. But the curiosity is still there. 😻😼😸It might be me driving the algorithm.😮
Oh i feel you on that curiosity and desire for the Leica Digital M cameras. It definitely is the closest a digital camera comes to film cameras. But yeah... that price. lol. And i'm sure the algorithm has something to do with all of this but then again photographers like me who watch those videos play into it. Thanks for watching and commenting!
I have shot Fuji for seven or eight years. Love the cameras. Love the Fuji lenses, which, in my estimation, are under rated. Love the film simulations. Recently, I bought a Leica Q2M and it is, for me at least, definitely a WOW camera. Love shooting with it because of its simplicity, refinement and that it just gets out of the way of the shot. And the B&W photos out of the Q2M are definitely special, a step and a half up from a Fuji 23mm f1.4 with Acros simulations or Capture One processing of raw files. Have been shooting color with a Sony RX1rii and it is a fine walk-around camera. But given my experience with the Q2M, I have ordered a Leica Q3. I am not abandoning Fuji, but Leica is definitely becoming my EDC walk-around. Finally, let me just add that I realize MY privilege in being able to indulge in Leica, as you suggest. At the same time, I think you should also acknowledge that affording Fuji equipment is ALSO a privilege. For many, many people, Fuji is not affordable depending on your situation or obligations. These days, you can be a good photographer with a decent cellphone camera, that's how good they are. Thank you for your thoughts in this video, which have started an interesting conversation.
That's so cool about your Q2M and upcoming Q3! Congrats! Trust me I would probably invest in one of those if I was able to. I think they are amazing. I love my Fujifilm gear and am beyond grateful for it but I do understand what Leica delivers in their gear. I think the market for the Q2, Q3 is a bit bigger than I had realized. That's some of the reasons for these comparison videos. I'm under estimating that market. And you're about the other end of the spectrum. There are some people who can't afford Fujifilm. Thankfully there is a ton of solid old digital gear, and smartphones that can continue to democratize photography, which is great. Thanks so much for watching and for your comment! Let me know how the Q3 works out! That's exciting!
@@CraigBergonzoni In fact the market that opened up for the first Leica Q was far beyond Leica's expectations (in their own words) and the waiting list for it got longer and longer. Thence the Q2 and 3.
Ignore the critic - I found this an interesting discussion! Can't afford Leica and can't find 100v so I guess I'm stuck with my x-t3.
Thanks Roger! I appreciate that.
its always hard to sum these things up as we're all coming from different places but as always you've articulated it very well. Well done. Love listening to your thoughts
You're right Tony, it is difficult to sum these things up. And I try my best to see it from all sides. Thank you so much for taking the time to watch and give your comment. It truly is appreciated.
A short Story: I know a guy that owns a M10, a M monochrome and a SL2 with a bunch of Leica lenses. I myself own a X-Pro2 with a bunch of fuji lenses. One time we talked about Leica gear and he told me in his honesty that if he haven’t bought Leica gear long time ago he would probably have bought a X-Pro2 with a bunch of Fuji Lenses and will be happy with it. And for the comparisons between Leica and Fujifilm: I think it’s the things that are too expensive to have that attract the most.
oh wow, that's interesting that he would make that choice. But I can understand that. The Fujifilm system delivers everything many people want and need. And you're right about expensive things attracting attention. That definitely has a lot to do with these videos. I watch them even if I can't afford it, lol. Thanks for watching and commenting! Much appreciated.
Frankly, from my experience, even very personal, the price is definitely what delays people from acquiring a Leica. All the photographers I know, including myself started with a used one. I also do think that even if the prices were the same, there would be Fuji advocates and Leica advocates, it is just human ;o)
Leica could make 3 times as much money by dropping prices without losing quality. They don't want to.
Fujifilm could make a similar amount by making film instead of re-badging Kodak stock. If they made an X-pro Monochrome just watch the revenue roll in. Instead they'd rather concentrate on the far more lucrative medical sector. They could do both but, again, choose not to. We'll never see 'common sense' from a consumer perspective with either of these companies. What I find interesting is that there a few 'optically perfect' Fujinon lenses. The rest are only 98% 😀. The same can be said of Leica. One perfect is a third of the price of the other. To base a buying decision purely on a much higher price tag is just vanity. We all know this, right ? At the end of the day, will either choice make you a better Photographer ? That's the thing you can't buy anywhere.
Great stuff Andy. Thanks for watching and for the comment! And you’re absolutely right, neither choice will automatically make someone a better photographer and that’s always good to keep in mind.
Leica does not have the diversity and general financial weight that Fuji has. In fact in the early 2000 they were almost bankrupted. Leica is also manufactured in Germany, with the right salaries and social benefits that this European country offers. There are more human hands involved in the making of a Leica than a Fuji, more metal too. All this has a cost (although I would still agree that I am not sure that the latest prices are totally justified and that may slow down their sales).
Actually, you got all the points right. There are a lot of reasons to support a Leica vs Fujifilm comparison: the retro look, the "no fuss" approach to some of the Fuji models, and even the value for money are to be considered; after all, both brands do deliver good value for money in their own way.
On the one hand, Leica, its luxury brand, delivers craftsmanship, a personal approach to the product everyone craves. Leica is a product to aspire to.
Fuji is - for lack of a more precise comparison - the BMW, or Mercedes of cameras, meaning it delivers excellent quality regardless of the product. With Fuji, the entry-level camera is great, they can produce classics worth keeping like X100V, they can also deliver you that fantastic product that beats almost anything in the market (X-T5), and finally, they can also give you top-of-the-line (and expensive) cameras.
I own Fujifilm cameras; they are a dream to work with, and yes... I do crave a Leica. Why? Like some "Mercedes" owners, I dream of a luxury car, maybe a Leica M11 or even a special edition... Perhaps I'll settle for a luxury "Mercedes" a GFX100... But why compare? Well, here's my reason for looking for comparisons: I have the money to go for a Leica, but there are better financial choices. Buying the dreamy Q3 for 6000 euros doesn't make any sense financially when you can marvel at the fantastic delivery of an X-T5. How can I justify such an irrational decision? Maybe if I listen to enough photographers telling me that the Q3 will bring me photographic nirvana, just perhaps, I can explain to myself spending the amount of money that would give me an X-T5, paired with a 56mm f1.2, a 90 mm f2 and the 23mm f1.4... with money to spend in a backup X-T30 II... ohhh but that Q3 is to die for isn't it? ;)
Great points! The car comparison is great, it definitely has similarities here. And I would love that X-T5 setup or that Q3 for sure lol ;) Thanks for watching and contributing such a great comment!
I thought the point was exactly the opposite: not to support the Fuji vs Leica comparison. Did I also get that wrong? ;o) By the way, Fuji may sound more like the Toyota or Honda of cameras and Leica the BMW/Mercedes, don't you think (if only in regards of where they originated from). Start with a used Leica Q, a far better camera in my opinion and experience (I have used both) than the X100 V, and in the case of a used Q it is far more affordable than a Q3 (what would you do with 60 Mp anyway?).
I think you missed the point comparing the price vs image quality and features. Buying Leica products is not about the features, btw M is completely manual and the new m11 doesn't have video options. Buying Leica products is about the experience, it's about it being made in Germany in the same way they made them 70 years ago! Almost handmade! German monthly salary is 10 times or more than in China and Taiwan where most Japanese products are made. Buying the new M is an experience to use, you can attach the same lenses you used 60 years ago and it works. I use a lot of Fuji gear in my work, and it's excellent equipment. Fuji has that film-look camera and nice color science behind but that's it. It a little bit more experience than with Canikon gear! If you want to sell a second-hand Fuji lenses you'll get some money, maybe half of the price. if you selling a 10-year 50mm Sumicron you'll get twice as much as you paid. In my opinion, it's a wrong comparison!
One more compression for you because you love it I see. You can buy a casio watch for 100eur, and it's a great watch I have it. But some of the Swiss watches are more than 10k or 20k euros, are they worth it? And they show much less information than Casio!
Hey Roman, great points. I agree, the comparison between the 2 is interesting. That's why I wanted to discuss in in a video. I'm raising the questions of why we have these comparisons, who are they for and are they useful for the viewer?
You are 100% right in your arguments, just a small rectifications all digital M have Aperture priority auto-exposure. The M240 and the Qs have a video option too. Only the M and M11 have been deprived of video has the goal for Leica, listening to the feed-back from its users, was to get back to the thickness of an M6. The loss in volume for the camera entailed the suppression of the video option (for cooling/heat reasons too).
Fujifilm has an opportunity to rock Leica's world with the next gen X-Pro and X100 series cameras. I think the comparison to Leica favors Fujifilm. Fujifilm has become more popular and recognizable with a new generation of photographers. Fujifilm has a claim to OG stronger than even Leica, who never manufactured film.
Interesting point Fred!! There could be some very cool releases coming soon from Fujifilm that will really shake things up. Thanks so much for watching and for your comment!
Yes! I’ve come to realize, and it’s so obvious, that these comparisons favour Fujifilm and makes them really good. In the end though I think this Leica obsession is mostly to do with vanity, because in the end they’re all photographic tools and if you can’t make good photos, the gear ain’t gonna help you. I saw an Instagram reel where a guy got piled on and roasted because he had an M6 with a 7Artisan lens on it. Of course if he had controlled his Leica lust, he would have gotten a Leica lens and any other M mount body to really get that Leica look. I was on a trip once and saw a guy with an expensive looking big dslr. I asked him to take our photo with my Olympus EM5, and he didn’t know what he was doing and took a bad photo. I think photography and all it’s fancy looking gear can attract a lot of vanity as photography is a luxurious pursuit, and as many things with luxury are about vanity. There’s also a lot of poseurs.
Well I wonder whether Fuji is really likely to pursue the X series as it seems pretty stalled in favour of the XT and the GFX lines. Just like any comparison if it were clear-cut there would be no discussion. As said above I would rather acquire a used Leica Q (first generation) than an X 100 V (that is not a full-frame format, has no stabilisation, has a slower auto-focus system, and whose 23 mm f2 cannot compete with the summilux f 1.7 in terms of resolution). But it must be me ;o)
@@segzeeman7356 It is somewhat tiresome to hear the very same undocumented if not unjustified/wrong assertions about Leica: "vanity", "lust", "luxurious", "poseurs". That vanity, lust, poseurs exist, there is no doubt. Obviously, even in your experience, they are not limited to Leica owners (although was the Nikon owner a person of lust and vanity, a poseur? I wonder. Or was he just not used to using an Olympus? Or is it that your notion of a bad photo is different from his? In any case lust, vanity, and poseur are terms that apply to humanity, not cameras. And as you wrote only the results, the photographs, matter whether they were taken with a Leica or not. Still, we cannot deny that there is an awful lot of world-famous photographs that have been taken with Leicas? Were all these photographers "poseurs" or just people that used the tool that was right for their photography, and successfully did so? Think of it.
The comparison between Fuji and Leica is.. will Fuji quench your thirst for Leica.
Good point! I'm definitely grateful Fujifilm gives me that tactile feel with the dials, so although not a Leica I do enjoy that element of the Fujifilm cameras, among other things. These Fujifilm cameras are awesome. Thanks for watching and commenting!
@@CraigBergonzoni I would 100% buy Leica over Fuji for how it feels in my hand. I’ve bought high end German made chef knives for my home kitchen and professional stainless Italian made cookware. It’s just a personality trait where feeling a high quality object in the hands is satisfying to me.
I genuinely wish Fuji had made an XT40 to celebrate the 40mp sensor and satisfy the under $2000 market but then release an XT5 that costs $2999
- Japanese build
- more metal like X100V
- 5.76 EVF of XH2S
- durable flip screen
And a high end 27mm 1.4 made in Japan - (original 16mm 1.4 build quality with hard stops, nano GI and WR)
Sold in a kit only for 4199 - I would have bought it
@@robmcd Oh if i had the money for a Leica I'm sure I would try one. And I love your idea about the XT40 & premium version of the X-T5. I'd buy that! Especially with that EVF from the X-H2s!
You nailed it!
Wow! What was this? On the one hand you deplore that there are so many videos on Leica on RUclips (which must simply reflect that quite a few people use Leica but mostly that a lot of people watch these videos-I doubt RUclips is a secret bias Leica aficionado!!), and on the other hand it is exactly what you do! Paradoxical to say the least. As if you were only here to justify to yourself using Fujifilm equipment and needed witnesses, silent ones that is to comfort you.
Fuji has always been an excellent lens designer and manufacturer, innovator too (6x9 rangefinder, 6x17,...). They even collaborated with Leica for a common digital camera around 2000. With the X-pro line they are obviously following the Leica path with range-finders, although not quite the same : the X line does not offer a true optical range-finder camera compared to Leica Ms. M cameras are all metal, X pros are not. On the other hand you can argue that Leica followed in the Fuji X100 and the Sony R1 steps with the Q line, except that compared to the X pro, the Q (and Q2 and 3) is a full-frame, with image stabilisation, f 1.7 summilux and better autofocus. Frankly I would rather have a used Q now than a new X 100 V (as in the latin number five), all the more as the financial difference between a new X pro V and a Q is not that great. In other words I understand that price is a big issue for most people wanting to acquire a Leica but there are ways round it.
Now Fuji, Nikon, Canon and SONY offer very fine cameras with very fine lenses. I do. not see whether there should be any competition between their users, any unease, any need to spend 15 long minutes to justify one's choice unless it does not quite satisfy you and you need to justify it to yourself. Was it your 15 minutes of personal therapy? Anyway interesting channel, do not fret, just keep the good work going.
Hey Bruno, thanks for your reply. I don't need to justify my purchases. I'm totally fine with them. And as I stated in the video, if I could afford a Leica, I would probably own one. My intent in this video was to pose the question "Who are these X100v vs Leica Q2" videos for. I think a huge part of the Fujifilm market buys their cameras on the used market and are no where near the price market for a Leica. I do think the difference between most Fujifilm cameras and Leicas is pretty great. So anyway, call this 15 minutes of personal therapy or whatever you want lol. I appreciate you watching and giving feedback regardless.
You ever used a Leica?
Nope. Not yet.
@@CraigBergonzoni Life is about experience you idiot. Talk about what you experience.
@@CraigBergonzoni Snob
@@jan-martinulvag1953 lol Okay. Why am I a snob?
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lol. Thanks for watching and for the feedback! Super constructive ;)
@@CraigBergonzoni see if you can show some photos next time and maybe even say something worth listening to
@@jan-martinulvag1953 I'll keep that in mind. That would have been a more constructive comment to start off with but I appreciate you watching and for the feedback none the less. Have a great day!