(False gates at 5759, true gates at 1315). Now this is the decoding of a very difficult bike lock from ABUS (Tresor Chain Catena Combo 1385); it has some very effective ant-decoding features. I was playing with this lock since I got it in April 2016. If you develop the right feeling and if you play long enough with the wheels, there is a chance of opening. Hope you like a long decoding session - here performed under laboratory conditions. By the way, that's the first video about this lock ruclips.net/video/727-QM_dOGw/видео.html
Thank you very much for your videos about this lock, especially the disassembly. It helped a lot to understand the lock and after crafting a "gripper" tool, that helped me to turn the wheels I finally made it to decode my lock. It really was a hard thing to do. So the lock is very nice. Best regard, Stefan
I had a chance to decode one of these for real today. Knowing there were likely to be false gates I tried to note any slight binding in each wheel and ended up with two numbers for each. That reduced the possible combinations to a number where trial and error doesn't take too long. Once I got it open I found that each wheel is made the same and so the false gates are always four away from the true ones. My combo was 8864 therefore the false gates were 2208. If you look at your binding numbers and check they are four apart for each wheel then take the lower number in each case, you have your combo!
Thank you! With your description, I finally managed to open my brother's lock - he no longer knew the code ... We spent hours trying to open it. Now I've finally made it - in a few minutes! For each ring, I wrote down the two numbers, I believed was a right or wrong gate. Then I just tried the combinations ... maybe I was just lucky ;). Anyway, I'm happy :). Ach - und einen dankbaren Gruss aus der Schweiz! :)
The false gates are always at the same distance to the true gates (-4). So if you have two candidates with a distance of four, there is definitely one favorite. However, congratulations. I tried hours with the one of my daughter and didn't find the combination (which a "friend" of her scrambled). Now, with these videos, I hope to succeed.
If you know the false and real gates, and they are not opposite each other, you only have 2 combinations to try typically. For example: 1 or 5, 3 or 7, 1 or 5, 5 or 9. Gates are 4 apart. so combination is likely to be 1315 or 5759. oops Jim Hood has already pointed this out below.
Thanks a lot! It realy helped to put one end in the vice and hang a load of the other side! A consitant slow speed of rotation helped to feel little nuaces/ differences. It only took about 3 minutes. This Type ist also build in the ABUS D-58292 wetter.
Nice job on the decoding! I enjoyed how you displayed the combination on the screen - added to the drama. You've inspired me to take another try on an old combination bike lock I found - I was having trouble tensioning it but I'll try your method. :)
So happy to see a manufacturer make a good effort to make combo locks difficult to decode. I would use this with a chain. Thanks for sharing your skills, commentry & scaring the crap out of me excitement on the open!🤣👌🍺😎
Thank you and I'm very happy that you had fun watching :-) I'm also truly amazed that ABUS took effort to make this lock secure. I also would use use it without doubt. And the excitement is always big on this lock when it pops open; amplified by the weight falling down ;-)
So my friend give me exact lock. I searched some videos and try to learn by myself. But then I take a brake and find yours. I tried and tried and tried... Then I stop and listen to your 2nd part of the video meanwhile rolling my 4th code wheel and on 0 it opens lol. I got luck to accidentally set correct the 1st 3 codes. So it happened to be 0980. This lock is awesome. It's ruin your feedback quite well. So yes who interested it took me 30+ minutes but seems like i got natural 20 on luck xD
I did actually find a quicker way and a way I didn't even need to touch it. I gave it to my 6 year old twins for the day by the end of the day it came back to me unlocked this was very effective and one of the best methods I found in the end
Awesome decoding video again Michael, my friend, I really enjoy it, I love your reacction when the padlock pops up, cool! Thanks for sharing buddy, you rocks! ;o))
Looks like you had lots of fun, and it was fun watching! It looks like a really interesting lock - looking forward to your next video to see how this thing ticks. :-)
It's a great lock and I had fun. It's an exciting feeling when suddenly the wheels start binding and you know that the opening is close :-) Thanks for watching buddy :-)
omg, you were so close [5:05]. Found one of these and wanna know the combination now. Not sure if I brute force it [1h 40mins max] or if I try my luck, it's really hard to feel anything. I know from another video there is one true and one false gate in each wheel. It's open. ;) I decided to switch between both methods a few minutes each and see witch one is faster, the second round with brute force opened it. It was the area code for landlines of my city, so I had to do less than 400 combinations only.
Ich habe gerade fasziniert dabei zugeschaut, wie jemand minutenlang am Rad drehte. Und schmerzlich mitgefühlt, als er anfangs schon gaaanz nah dran war. :)
Hi, I have a similar bike lock but I’m struggling to unlock it. Can you suggest another method to the resistance one you demonstrate. I’ve tried loading the lock with weight as you’ve done but still I can feel any discernible feedback.
Well done! It was really interesting to see you dancing around the correct numbers. Thank you for putting up the correct code on the side so we could see how close you're getting (this made it quite suspenseful for me!). You seemed to home in on the general area quite quickly, right?
Cheers and thanks for watching. I hoped that showing the number would increase the tension a bit ;-) I'm trying to familiarize myself in all lock related areas and found combination locks really entertaining. But all areas are good fun to explore :-)
thanks back when i was young i could even do master locks finly making good locks now even with these videos no one is going to spend 15 mints braking them . ps about 20 mints for me but the first 5 was ols style i knew back in the day
@@Potti314 lock your bike up behind the building leave it there a month ( O it was still there for me LOLOL ) But reality is someone wants it bad enough they will find a way just like i finly did with this lock .
@@grzeskucin1909 yes about the same for me like most likes once you know the trick it's easy . You know as a kid it was just the challenge of it and no youtube to help lll
After wasting hours trying to decode it, I've learned that the strongest clue is that all digits lock up when the last three digits are correct, meaning you ideally only need to test 1000 + 10 combinations.
If you consider decoding a waste of time, then stop doing it. For me locks are puzzle to solve and I have fun working on them. Brute force attacks will not teach you anything.
tried a few days while watching tv. very difficult to open. many times was stuck on different combinations which at the end were completely different from the code.... not sure if it would have been faster to try the 9999 combinations but happy to have opended it finally.
Are you ready to give this another crack? I have a matching lock branded as a Tioga and initially I was having a lot of trouble. I watched your videos on the lock and unchained my bike to have a play. It seems that some manufacturers have the false gates 4/6 away from the true gate. The Tioga one I have has the false gates 5 away from the true gate. If you want to have a go at a new method then reply here and I'll email it to you. I can now crack mine in under 20s with eyes closed, several seconds quicker with eyes open.
Interesting. Does your lock also have the feedback-destroying bumps (ruclips.net/video/NqdGfvaud0U/видео.html)? Would like to try yours but I guess that Australia - Germany does not make for a cheap and quick shipment.
at 05:07.... so close... just didn't fulfil that one notch on the 4'th wheel he sat out to do..... I really need to break my own lock of this type. unfortunately if fastened to my bike, so I can not hang a weight on it.
I purchased a new bike a and set the code. I then spun the numbers and went to the numbers and put them in to see how they worked. The lock wont open and I have been working on it for the last month and still can't get to open. Does anyone have any advice on what I should do. Very expensive lock but I'm thinking I might have to just buy another one.
That last fourth wheel gave you a lot of misleads, and next time be more considerate with us who listen over the headphones when you celebrate the opening! 😂😂😂
(False gates at 5759, true gates at 1315). Now this is the decoding of a very difficult bike lock from ABUS (Tresor Chain Catena Combo 1385); it has some very effective ant-decoding features.
I was playing with this lock since I got it in April 2016. If you develop the right feeling and if you play long enough with the wheels, there is a chance of opening. Hope you like a long decoding session - here performed under laboratory conditions.
By the way, that's the first video about this lock ruclips.net/video/727-QM_dOGw/видео.html
Disassembling ruclips.net/video/NqdGfvaud0U/видео.html
Thank you very much for your videos about this lock, especially the disassembly. It helped a lot to understand the lock and after crafting a "gripper" tool, that helped me to turn the wheels I finally made it to decode my lock.
It really was a hard thing to do. So the lock is very nice.
Best regard,
Stefan
@@wildeast66 Thanks a lot for the nice comment. You you show us your gripper tool?
I had a chance to decode one of these for real today. Knowing there were likely to be false gates I tried to note any slight binding in each wheel and ended up with two numbers for each. That reduced the possible combinations to a number where trial and error doesn't take too long. Once I got it open I found that each wheel is made the same and so the false gates are always four away from the true ones. My combo was 8864 therefore the false gates were 2208. If you look at your binding numbers and check they are four apart for each wheel then take the lower number in each case, you have your combo!
This totally helped me figure it out. Feels like a miracle. Avoided me buying a new lock because I forgot my pin! Thank you!
Great - thanks for the feedback.
Thank you! With your description, I finally managed to open my brother's lock - he no longer knew the code ... We spent hours trying to open it. Now I've finally made it - in a few minutes!
For each ring, I wrote down the two numbers, I believed was a right or wrong gate. Then I just tried the combinations ... maybe I was just lucky ;). Anyway, I'm happy :).
Ach - und einen dankbaren Gruss aus der Schweiz! :)
Sehr cool - vielen Dank für das nette Feedback.
The false gates are always at the same distance to the true gates (-4). So if you have two candidates with a distance of four, there is definitely one favorite.
However, congratulations. I tried hours with the one of my daughter and didn't find the combination (which a "friend" of her scrambled).
Now, with these videos, I hope to succeed.
If you know the false and real gates, and they are not opposite each other, you only have 2 combinations to try typically. For example:
1 or 5, 3 or 7, 1 or 5, 5 or 9. Gates are 4 apart. so combination is likely to be 1315 or 5759. oops Jim Hood has already pointed this out below.
Thanks a lot! It realy helped to put one end in the vice and hang a load of the other side!
A consitant slow speed of rotation helped to feel little nuaces/ differences. It only took about 3 minutes.
This Type ist also build in the ABUS D-58292 wetter.
Excellent! Just managed to work out the code to my Abus lock with this video. Only took a few minutes. Thank you.
Nice job on the decoding! I enjoyed how you displayed the combination on the screen - added to the drama. You've inspired me to take another try on an old combination bike lock I found - I was having trouble tensioning it but I'll try your method. :)
Thanks buddy, that was a pretty hard lock. Good luck with yours :-)
I really enjoyed your video especially the moment that the lock opened. Fantastic 👍
Thank you buddy - this lock really caused me a lot of trouble for a long time and I was very happy that it opened on camera :-)
So happy to see a manufacturer make a good effort to make combo locks difficult to decode. I would use this with a chain. Thanks for sharing your skills, commentry & scaring the crap out of me excitement on the open!🤣👌🍺😎
Thank you and I'm very happy that you had fun watching :-) I'm also truly amazed that ABUS took effort to make this lock secure. I also would use use it without doubt. And the excitement is always big on this lock when it pops open; amplified by the weight falling down ;-)
Potti314 😊 I hope other manufacturers follow Abus's lead.Cheers my friend. 🍺😊
So my friend give me exact lock.
I searched some videos and try to learn by myself. But then I take a brake and find yours.
I tried and tried and tried... Then I stop and listen to your 2nd part of the video meanwhile rolling my 4th code wheel and on 0 it opens lol.
I got luck to accidentally set correct the 1st 3 codes. So it happened to be 0980.
This lock is awesome. It's ruin your feedback quite well.
So yes who interested it took me 30+ minutes but seems like i got natural 20 on luck xD
I did actually find a quicker way and a way I didn't even need to touch it. I gave it to my 6 year old twins for the day by the end of the day it came back to me unlocked this was very effective and one of the best methods I found in the end
I felt the pure joy at the end. Wow! This guy has a passion for puzzles. Me too ^~^
Awesome decoding video again Michael, my friend, I really enjoy it, I love your reacction when the padlock pops up, cool!
Thanks for sharing buddy, you rocks! ;o))
Thank you - this lock is always great fun when it pops open ;-)
Really cool how the wheels give resistance till it gets to the correct combo. Awesome video.
Thank you very much - happy you had fun watching :-)
Tough Decoding, but proves once again, you are the Decoding king :-)
If I was the king, then this would have been a 2 min video ;-) But thanks for the kind words buddy :-)
Looks like you had lots of fun, and it was fun watching! It looks like a really interesting lock - looking forward to your next video to see how this thing ticks. :-)
It's a great lock and I had fun. It's an exciting feeling when suddenly the wheels start binding and you know that the opening is close :-) Thanks for watching buddy :-)
omg, you were so close [5:05]. Found one of these and wanna know the combination now. Not sure if I brute force it [1h 40mins max] or if I try my luck, it's really hard to feel anything. I know from another video there is one true and one false gate in each wheel.
It's open. ;) I decided to switch between both methods a few minutes each and see witch one is faster, the second round with brute force opened it. It was the area code for landlines of my city, so I had to do less than 400 combinations only.
Ich habe gerade fasziniert dabei zugeschaut, wie jemand minutenlang am Rad drehte. Und schmerzlich mitgefühlt, als er anfangs schon gaaanz nah dran war. :)
Thanks for your video! It helped me to save the money for a new locker!
Thanks for the feedback - glad my video was helpful.
Hi, I have a similar bike lock but I’m struggling to unlock it. Can you suggest another method to the resistance one you demonstrate. I’ve tried loading the lock with weight as you’ve done but still I can feel any discernible feedback.
Great decoding buddy. You can really tell when you get it right with all those locks falling down. 😂👍👏🔓
Haha, yes, these locks make a nice sound indicating the opening without any doubt ;-)
Well done! It was really interesting to see you dancing around the correct numbers. Thank you for putting up the correct code on the side so we could see how close you're getting (this made it quite suspenseful for me!). You seemed to home in on the general area quite quickly, right?
Cheers and thanks for watching. I hoped that showing the number would increase the tension a bit ;-) I'm trying to familiarize myself in all lock related areas and found combination locks really entertaining. But all areas are good fun to explore :-)
My buddy had this lock. The thieves managed to pry it open between the code disks. I guess there are perfect locks.
Yeah thieves use force, they don't decode.
thanks back when i was young i could even do master locks finly making good locks now even with these videos no one is going to spend 15 mints braking them . ps about 20 mints for me but the first 5 was ols style i knew back in the day
Destructive entry methods are much more common - only takes seconds.
@@Potti314 lock your bike up behind the building leave it there a month ( O it was still there for me LOLOL ) But reality is someone wants it bad enough they will find a way just like i finly did with this lock .
First one I opened in 15 minutes and second just took me 2-3 minutes. So I don't know if this lock is good enough.
@@grzeskucin1909 yes about the same for me like most likes once you know the trick it's easy . You know as a kid it was just the challenge of it and no youtube to help lll
After wasting hours trying to decode it, I've learned that the strongest clue is that all digits lock up when the last three digits are correct, meaning you ideally only need to test 1000 + 10 combinations.
If you consider decoding a waste of time, then stop doing it. For me locks are puzzle to solve and I have fun working on them. Brute force attacks will not teach you anything.
@@Potti314 I needed to open the lock ASAP, sadly not for fun
tried a few days while watching tv. very difficult to open. many times was stuck on different combinations which at the end were completely different from the code.... not sure if it would have been faster to try the 9999 combinations but happy to have opended it finally.
Glad you opened it, but trying out combinations is not what I'm aiming for.
Are you ready to give this another crack? I have a matching lock branded as a Tioga and initially I was having a lot of trouble. I watched your videos on the lock and unchained my bike to have a play. It seems that some manufacturers have the false gates 4/6 away from the true gate. The Tioga one I have has the false gates 5 away from the true gate. If you want to have a go at a new method then reply here and I'll email it to you. I can now crack mine in under 20s with eyes closed, several seconds quicker with eyes open.
Interesting. Does your lock also have the feedback-destroying bumps (ruclips.net/video/NqdGfvaud0U/видео.html)? Would like to try yours but I guess that Australia - Germany does not make for a cheap and quick shipment.
This saved me hours of time!
Thanks for the feedback.
Nice job! I jumped too when you got it open 👍🏻
Haha, me too - with this lock the excitement of an opening is always BIG ;-)
at 05:07.... so close...
just didn't fulfil that one notch on the 4'th wheel he sat out to do.....
I really need to break my own lock of this type. unfortunately if fastened to my bike, so I can not hang a weight on it.
Yet another great video my friend😊😊😊😎😊😎😊
Thank you :-)
I purchased a new bike a and set the code. I then spun the numbers and went to the numbers and put them in to see how they worked. The lock wont open and I have been working on it for the last month and still can't get to open. Does anyone have any advice on what I should do. Very expensive lock but I'm thinking I might have to just buy another one.
Great video!, I have one and I'm struggling with him. I hope with this video to learn to open.
Good luck - let me know when you have success.
Nice work on the open!
Thank you.
Cooles video gut gemacht
Danke.
Nicely done buddy ;o))))
Thank you my friend :-)
I am guessing it has false gates
Oh yes, false gates and bumps on the code wheels to destroy the feedback.
That last fourth wheel gave you a lot of misleads, and next time be more considerate with us who listen over the headphones when you celebrate the opening! 😂😂😂
Yes, the last wheel was the least reliable one. Hope your ears are still OK ;-) Will try to remember that for the next time and will show a warning.
Mine can’t be turned when pulled on
Pull lighter.
Not possible anymore