WHAT DO THEY EXPECT?! 😱 Andy Goldstein SLAMS West Ham For Ditching David Moyes For Julen Lopetegui
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I'm not a West Ham fan but there seems to be a consensus among broadcasters that they're not allowed to want their club to improve. Moyes has taken them as far as he can and they need someone else to move them forward.
If anything Moyes has taken us back to the exact same place he joined us in, bottom half finishes and relegation fights like last season.
@@bamforkineye 70 goals conceded is wild
Excellent Comment
@@bamforkineyeHe deserves a lot of respect for what he’s done, but some managers are only capable of so much
according to the media west ham arent allowed to play attacking progressive football with ambition, we must stay where we and not look to dream and progress as a club… but the likes of villa, newcastle, and brighton can (even tho theyve been relegated in recent times and been regularly mid table) make it make sense?!?! its like newcastle getting rid of rafa or steve bruce and then the media slating newcastle for wanting a young progressive manager in Eddie Howe hahaha
It's going to be amazing watching the mad rush for Moyes' signature made by England's and Europe's elite clubs - it'll be a veritable stampede!
Yep, Bayern and Milan at the front of the queue
West Ham aren’t elite! And never will be, moyes is the best they will get.
Wont be in the premiership.
Or Britain
@@OliverCoade
Stop it. Fool
Your view is irrelevant to me as a west ham fan. Like all the media sheep you come out with the same old boring Noddy level drivel.
Then why are you watching and commenting on this video?
So what is it WH fans want then? Or do you just comment to criticise rather than offer an alternative view.
Cant wait to see the wheels come off the bus next season. Pacqueta to leave for man city and the manager is hardly loyal when the tough gets going... ask the dingles
West ham want a pelligrini 😂😂
Back to fighting relegation for West Ham. Huge mistake
West Ham have 3 league wins since Dec 29. They've conceded 70 league goals this year. We were dreadful in the league last year. We're in good financial shape and this squad is old and in need of a rebuild.
Moyes departure was the right decision, but most fans are skeptical of the Lopetegui hire.
As a club you.. TalkSPORT always put us down. What’s wrong with us having ambition and not just settling for mid table mediocrity? Also, Jim was spot on here, Moyes had a contract on the table (his words not ours) which he refused to sign so for the club to start looking elsewhere is fair game.
not having a pop but personally i just call it being realistic. sure you can have ambition but be realistic while you are at it. where moyes got you in terms of getting into europe winning a cup, saving you from the drop thats a pretty good CV i would say and winning any cup in europe i dont think you could honestly except to achieve much more. like who are you likely to finish ahead of out of the so called top clubs?
you have, Liverpool, Man C and Arsenal pretty much your top 3 right now, then you have Spurs, Utd and Chelsea who if they are playing as they should will be in or right around the 4th to 6th places so that leaves 7th so im struggling to see how if thinking realistically what more you could have hoped for or aspire to with the clubs i just mentioned. thats not even thinking about the likes of newcastle with their money etc, your club has done phenomenal these last few years.
@@xNSHDspot on. I mean you can’t be 4 feet tall and believe you can make it in the NBA even if you’re ambitious
You missed out villa mate
It’s called being realistic, you’re West Ham. You’re not Arsenal or Chelsea or Liverpool or United. You’ve just won your first trophy in 40 years and you’re regularly finishing in the Top half of the table and in Europe. Yeah, you could be more progressive but it’s very difficult to find the right manager, and Lopetegui isn’t exactly attacking.
Better the devil you know than the devil you don’t.
@@BaronOfFife apologies. my point was just to show how difficult it is to break into that top 6 which west ham have been knocking at the door at.
West ham have the 2nd biggest attendances in england and the 7th biggest revenue and the 4th richest owners so why cant west ham do any better?
West Ham should know their place .......usual rubbish from Talk sport
Its funny how almost all pundits look at "little westham" and believe we shouldnt do any thing in the league. Its always well done villa, newcastle and even Palace but if westham want more we arnt allowed -.-
Because that's your level.
@@imikez3815 ah yes 7th highest wage bill, spent 450m in last 4 years, 2nd highest attendance in the prem this year, and that's our level? Joker, if we actually had a board and manager with any idea we would be fighting out Europe spots consistently
@@dalesaunders8458second highest attendance took me by surprise 😳 more than Arsenal, Spurs, United, Newcastle, City ?
@@phildemetriou440 yes we have average attendance of about 63k only team with a higher attendance is man utd. So we may be looked down on but if we got things right we could actually do well, at least try to break into top 6 with good finishes most of the time
Bent does not even know the West Ham owners name
Quality homework from the biggest Talk sport radio
😂😂
andy.....25 goals conceeded in 5 games.....4 against villa , 5 against palace , fulham and chelsea , 6 against arsenal at HOME....its time for moyes to go , , cant say i to chuffed with the new appointment , typical sullivan.......wish he would go aswell
Lopetegui seems like the wrong option because I don't think its a step forward.
He's the Spanish david moyes
@@wolvezyThen if he is the Spanish David Moyes, then would should be alright, according to the so called pundits and fans who haven't a clue about our club, seeing that they think Moyes is such a great manager
@barringtondavis7294 you'll be fine but the style of football won't be any different..wich is why you wanted moyes out in the first place
Next year West Ham fans will be dreaming of the Moyes golden era. We’re be fighting relegation next year.
We was fighting relegation last year until the last 3 games. 2024 we have again relegation form.
Behave yourself
Hey Andy do you want Ten Hag sacked? Be careful what you wish for?
Agree Andy. I expect to concede 6 goals vs Fulham (5-0), 7 goals vs Arsenal (0-6), 6 goals vs Chelsea (5-0) and 6 goals vs Palace (5-2). I expect to concede 120 goals a season, not a measly 70!
Moyes has fallen short of my expectations, so he must go!
amazing how palace dump roy and get a young attacking man in and their season turns tound and everyone is singing their praises, west ham fans want the same yet are vilified for it
Thank you David for all you’ve done but it’s over. Andy stick to shanking your irons on golf life and get ya hair cut 😂😂
I don't get why people don't want WEST HAM to dream, they have been at this level for a while
We didnt ditch him. Contract is on the table, didnt want to sign it
It doesn’t take a genius to realize he didn’t sign because he knew he wasn’t wanted anymore by the fans
@@ThaLed93 Never gave a flying sh1t what the fans thought, couldn't even get on with his coaches
Are you surprised? The fans dont want him there.
As a neutral
I'm guessing west ham fans would have been happy the last couple of years if they had played good attacking football.
And achieved what they have
Exactly mate ...We are not saying we expect top 4 or anything outrageous we are saying why can't we play better football whilst competing in top ten for euro places, given the financial strength our club has over the majority of the league.
Moyes has only a handful of wins in 2024, the second worst defensive record in the league, after spending 95m on center backs and playing the most cautious low block football.
He sold our squad depth in jan and didn't replace them because he said he wants a small squad...
Then he blames going out the cups and losing games on the other teams having bigger squads.
Our youth teams have been winning things and he still refuses to use them.
We've spent nearly 500m on incomings in his time and he's built the smallest and 2nd oldest squad in the league.
These are all things that any fan base would question...
We have been in the top 20 euro rich list for a decade but we are the only club in that list not allowed to question poor management.
Here is what we don't expect
Liverpool 5-1
Fulham 5-0
Arsenal 6-0
Crystal Palace 5-2
Chelsea 5-0
Selling players during January and not replacing them for the Europa League.
Get out of here.
The media portray Moyes as a solid defensive manager but with two games left to play the team has conceded 70 goals. That's the most conceded since Avram Grant took the club down over 10 years ago conceding 70 goals. Take away Jarrod Bowen's goals and its relegation form. So many thumpings and its obvious that many who question clearly don't go to watch the current dross every week.
Tell you what Man Utd may need a Manager Andy
Moyes is available 😂
Perhaps you should be careful for what you wish for eh!
Ironic eh
😂👏
He could have: not shipped 70 goals with one of the worst defenders in the P
L, developed a bigger squad instead of flogging the same 11 players to death, used substitutes earlier in many games this season, brought the younger players through, dealt with having the second oldest squad in the PL, signed strikers and made them work. None of that is about style of play.
We finished 14th last season get it right before commenting
Another pair of I’ll informed media doughnuts
This station seems inundated with them
Talk sport only allowing moyes lovers on the show 2 wins from 24 games , only Sheffield united have more goals against , relegation battle for most of last year and if the season goes on for another ten games it would be another relegation battle and I have phoned in and as soon as you say your moyes out they cut you off , im sure Darren bent would love moyes at Ipswich
We want to see football not non football
Jeez sound like spurs next season when your 17th but playing so called football can't wait to see your opinion then
@@jackhoskins722if moyes carries on we will be lower than 17th
Moyes as cost us so many points this season
And given you success in Europe . Ungrateful lumps smh
His football was a pain to watch
@Hammerman837 really painful watching your team lift a European trophy ..yh .. you complete wasteman smh
his stupid signing on clownvin phillips though, probabaly did
@@anonymousgaming5212tbf he wanted to bring english players on the bring of the squad together... jwp, phillips, maguire, bowen. Cant wait to see how much this new gaffa improves the side... if he cant he will no doubt walk out and leave you hanging dry
I’d like a few more 5-0 drubbings please so that we don’t add to our 3 wins in 2024.
🤣🤣🤣
Worst season for goals conceded since 1967, we don't want to finish 4th or win trophies as a must, we want to have more than 30% possession a game and actually Blood youth, we have a defensive manager who cannot defend FFS, Ranieri won the LEAGUE! for Leicester and got sacked, why are we as West Ham fans vilified for wanting attacking football and want the academy of football back
I'm a david moyes fan. I think it's the right time for both parties to part ways. However, what Sullivan and Steidten have done by conducting their affairs like this for the last 3 weeks in the public domain.... and undermining the man has been nothing short of disgusting.
Not really though? It’s for the benefit of the club to have someone lined up straight away so we can start to bring players in and get rid of the dross as soon as possible. In the same vein, Moyes made it known to the media earlier on in the season that he has yet to decide if he’s ready to sign the contract extension allegedly proposed to him. Should that be publicly acknowledged? It’s Tims job to constantly look at ways to improve the footballing side.
West ham have backed a losser there terrible at Wolves.
West ham fan in my 50s and gutted how Moyes has been treated , all the fan channels jumping on the moyes out ALL season dividing the club and totally disrespectful to Moyes and to replace him with a like for like 😂
He’s awful
Disrespectful to announce this during the season.
West Ham were in the relegation zone, when he initially first took over.
Regardless of fans personal opinions about his style of football etc...
He has stabilized the club, given them regular european qualification (including a trophy),
and has left them in good condition for the future.
It didn't need to have ended so bitterly.
@@stuartrowland4818I take it you haven't a clue about west ham, spent nearly 500 million on players leaving the smallest squad, the second oldest squad, a back four which all need replacing, no proper striker in the squad after 4 years, yeah he has left us in a great position , some people haven't a clue
Manchester United should hire Moyes if he's so good...
Man utd did hire him .. lol you numpteys began watching football a few years ago 🤣
Yes but they will have to beat Bayern and Milan to his signature first
As they believe he is such a tactical and defensive genius I have no doubt that Bent and Goldstien would both love to have Moyes at their clubs.🤔
Will Still at "reem" 😂 these clowns havent got a clue
Instead of criticising West Ham fans, the question is would you like Moyes as your boss back your opinion up.
How did he do, post Ferguson?
Not too good.
Yes, does Goldstein want him to replace Ten Haag? Couldn't wait to get rid first time round
That's a terrible example.
Didn't replace the greatest ever premier league manager (at that time) very well, especially given that he wasn't backed by the club and was hired, purely out of respect for Ferguson.
@@stuartrowland4818 Truth hurts. Ye could always attempt to make "reparations" then by hiring him a second time, to give him a fair crack of the whip so to speak
WHU fans were unbelievable at Palace they are the ones who are watching their team take several thrashings and they have every right to want to see better football and be competitive not victorious against anyone.
I can't remember them being as competitive as they have been under Moyes.
@@mu6qyThen open your eyes
We'll never regret.
When you pay to watch, then you will understand.
Football is about winning trophies and he's won them their only one in decades. Club needs to know it's place
@@Timekeeper1200 Put on his boots and play in the final did he? West Ham United won the Conference League on Moyes' watch. People like to let on that he's this serial trophy winner like Mourihno and he worked his magic on little West Ham. What else has he ever won?
Moyes didn't have his boots on when we got spanked by Fulham, Palace, and Chelsea but apparently that was his fault.
@@danmatthews7341 Correct, he did not. It was fans, especially those with mates in those London clubs that blamed him. It CERTAINLY wasn't his "careful what you wish for" media sycophants' who like to claim continuously that "Moyes won ye the first major trophy in 43 years"
Moyes had a contract on the table, he has chosen to walk away on his own accord.
I get that you’re always gagging for clicks at talkSPORT but cmon, this isn’t a massive issue that you’re trying to make it seem
Moyes took West Ham as far as he could, won a European competition and forever part of West Ham’s history. But sometimes in order to progress, changes are needed.
Shut up andy goldstein
He really is a know nothing first class dip shite.
West Ham have the join 6th highest revenue in the league. the media talk like we a club who should just be happy to avoid regelation. Realistically we should be qualifying for Europe most years and playing something other than a anti-football low block
WHU fan base expect a manager to take care of his players. Moyes has destroyed his players mentally and in some cases physically. By not rotating he has run his ‘first’ team into the ground (a major reason for the drop in results). He plays them out of position and in a system none of them like or ‘fit’. The players on the bench never get a chance to prove themselves - aren’t match fit as consequence too. Their morale is at rock bottom. Academy players are not brought through because of Moyes - and there are really good players in the Academy. This has created a toxic atmosphere at the Club where many are wanting their exits. Where is Andy Goldstein’s outrage at the treatment of West Ham players by Moyes. Boo hoo David Moyes … you manufactured the situation of your dismissal!
Seems so much drama behind the scenes at West Ham at. Dissing the manager trying to get a replacement without any clarity. No wonder your teams down tools.
I don’t understand why 90% of the media has such a hard on for Moyes.
Why are they so obsessed with telling West Ham fans what we should be thinking and saying?
Talksport. Please stop this waffle. Unless you support the club in question the presenters are so patronising its embarrassing.
So what would be the best way to do it oh 'Talksport experts at running clubs'? Announce that we're not extending his contract in December so that he can take his foot off the gas and not bother. They've all said its a classless way to get rid of him but have not explained the best way to get rid of him...come on lets hear it?
60 odd thousand capacity stadium.
Next level been promised since we moved. Best youth team in the country...yes we do expect more...we have been humiliated by teams tjos season WHY should we have to kiss yhe ring? and Andy why dont you take Moyes back?
How Graham Potter still gets shouted as a top manager baffles me!
David moyes to united then Mr Goldstein.
West Ham sell their best player for a truck load of cash. The following season they go and sack the manager🤔
Happened at Villa too.
The Hammers should attempt to entice free agent Will "Ginger Pubes" Still! ⚒️
His name is redbush actually.😂
It's not just the end of the season! We've only won 4 games in 2024 and drawn against 2 of the bottom 3, lost to Forest, conceded 70 goals and played some of the most negative football I have ever seen at West Ham. If, as you say, we are top of the second tier of the Premier League then why shouldn't we want to push on and join the top tier? Yes Moyes managed us to a trophy, but some of the football we played under him in the second half of this season has been dire to watch.
Moyes is going to MUFC is that ok i wonder.
Those not impressed with Lopetegui appointment have never watched La Liga, they don't know about his achievements. His history goes much further back than managing Wolves.
Why wasn't someone like Rob Edwards mentioned? Or Carrick?
Look at the job they've both done
Young, hungry, would see West Ham as a big opportunity and play attacking football.
The attacking talent they have is better than 90 % of the league .. let’s be honest
Cause he's long term, he as a large buyout clause
We spent over £400 million, we have the second oldest squad and the smallest squad, but we shouldnt want more
Half of TalkSport is the afternoon/evening shows reacting to what was said on the morning show 🤣
moyes took you from relegation to a trophy lmfao
Would you have him at Ipswich, Benty? 😂 With respect you both simply don't know what you're talking about. West Ham fans know a lot more about West Ham and Moyes than you do. Have you seen their form this year? The number of goals conceded for a defensive team with little possession? Lopetegui has won more, it's an upgrade. But of course West Ham aren't allowed to upgrade.
They were right to move on from Moyes, but they downgraded imo
I have supported David Moyes from the start. He has been a perfect fit to get us from where we were to where he has taken us, which is clearly a much improved squad and team. We now need someone who can take us to another level and play some more attractive football. Moyes is a legend in my mind for what he’s done for us but it’s time for us to move on. There are many west ham supporters who I know that have never bashed him but feel we need a new manager. It’s just the loudest idiots seem to be the ones who get noticed the most on both sides of this conversation.
i am fed up with these pundits talking garbage who know nothing about west ham
West Ham constantly flirted with relegation last season and finally finished 14th. This was largely ignored by them winning the Europa League. They went on to lose a fortune on Scamacca, just like they had on Anderson, Haller, Vlasic and were forced into selling their captain.
This season they have currently conceded 70 goals, equalling the defecit under the awful Avram Grant (which led to relegation) and there's still Luton and City to go. This calander year the only team with a worse defensive record is Sheff Utd. They still rely upon the 34 year old converted winger up front and have let Benrahma, Kehrer and Fornals leave without replacing them. They coneded six against Arsenal, five against Fulham, Liverpool, and Palace, four against Newcastle and three against Utd. How is this 'over achieving'?
Why do the pundits always think West Hamnshould be careful what they wish for, why is this supposedly the best West Ham fans should expect? They have the second largest home support in the Premier League, they are now one of the 15th richest clubs in the world, they have a passionate international support and a proud historynofnproducing top footballers. Why shouldn't West Ham fans want better than David Moyes?
After all is said and done, all West Ham fans really want is to not feel embarassed when they watch their team play, to not want to walk out of matches by half time and to not loose by four, five or six to their London rivals. To have a manager who brings the youngsters through and knows when to make a substitution. They don't expect top four, they just want their team to score more than they concede, to win more than they lose and beat their London rivals every now and then.
Doesn't seem like too much to ask does it?
David moyes has done nothing special at West Ham. He's been lucky taking over at a time when Europe conference were introduced to help lesser teams feel more important. The season he won the europa conference, in the league, they finished bottom half and were fighting relegation. Because they won that meaningless trophy, it helped them get in europa league which made his time at West ham seem better than it actually is. Without the europa conference, West ham get zero European football.
What about finishing 6th and 7th?
By that standards every westham manager beeb nothing special since to 80s
That caller saying he’s the best he’s seen in his life time let me tell you mate he’s no John lyall
Andy Goldstein should worry about his tin pot club,, and not talk about something he hasn't a clue about
I don’t think west Ham fans ever watched a Wolves game last year. 17th place here come the Irons.
How dare you dream. How dare you want to be higher than 9th. How dare you look for another manager when your current manager refuses to sign the contract you offer him. Gosh these West Ham fans are the worst aren't they?
Julen Lopetegui is a even worser manager than David Moyes.
Such drivel from people who don't watch WH play.
those saying we should be careful what we wish for, look across London at what a young positive manager can do palace are flying since they replaced pragmatic roy, with a modern minded manager
He sounds like a pasta,n has a back bone like 1,these players were playing for moyles but not now since he's been treated wrongly..this other guy is gonna struggle n I see afew players leaving west ham
Awful appointment and this should tell you the issue is Sullivan not Moyes. We will go through at least 3 managers in the next 5 years with no European football. Dont worry though guys its the West Ham way
Moyes 100% had to go. I think it's all about consistency of performance. Nobody has any idea from match to match which West Ham will walk onto the pitch. Nobody expects us to win everything but a hard fought loss by a goal is as important (kinda) as a lucky undeserved win by a goal which is where the majority of our points came from this season. Moyes seems to be a 1st half of the season manager... the last 2 seasons he's flopped in the 2nd half. Thanks for the good times but it's time to move on.
cant wait to see all the teams to line up to hire moyes lol
Benty what moyes could have done is leave earlier
This is a case West Ham fans and as a club thinking that they’re bigger than what they are.
Troll
Benty ⚒ finished 6-7th if we had beaten Brighton on the last day of the season we’d have finished 4th. Times have changed we have plenty of money & look to challenge for top 6. The days of Man utd having all the money & nobody competing with them has gone. ⚒COYI
I hope West Ham fail and I don't even like David.
West Ham fans have been on this witch hunt for Moyes for as long as I can remember and it is unfair.
Their behavior has added pressure and no wonder they've had some poor results after starting so well.
When you're sitting 6th and doing well in Europe you don't expect fans to behave in that way and it has definitely had a negative effect on the club as a whole.
We’re not sixth and we’re out of Europe so what’s your point ? and the rude, arrogant fool has spent half a billion and left us with the smallest and oldest squad and just 4 wins this year . This is after nearly relegating us last year and no conference league win is going to paper over that. The problem is most of you neutrals don’t have a thought for yourselves , your opinions are not your own but the thoughts of this media bubble of lazy journos and pundits.
@@sidlittle Read it properly. You were, but apparently, fans know best. You caused the downfall with your moaning, groaning and negativity. I, as well as many other sports fans, hope you lot get relegated. Biggest bunch of ungrateful babies.
Talk sport is a mouthpiece for the ‘top six’, nothing else. Impartial reporting I do not think so.
Sullivans need to also
Moyes is a great manager, west ham beware what you want
Time will tell if this is the right thing to do, but fans do have short memories - winning SIlverware for the first time in 43 years doesn't keep you in the job for more than another years, it seems ! Then again, SPurs sacked Mourhinio days BEFORE a Cup Final, so nothing surprises me now !
Joe said best mgr? Do me a favour all these trashings we have had under Moyes. It’s only this season as well.
Little West Ham, despite being the 14th or 15th richest club in the world should have limited ambition. Thanks for that stunning insight wankers.
They literally start by not knowing the names of the people involved - clowns
Is Goldstein talking about the David Moyes that his beloved Man United sacked after 10 months in charge 🤔 Strange opinion
I completely understand that Moyes isn’t the most progressive manager in the world, but what do West Ham fans expect? This is the best you’ve been in 40 years. Better the Devil you know than the Devil you don’t.
Take him back at Man Utd to replace ten haag
Sullivan needs to sell up, as long as he’s in charge we will never hit the next level
expecting moyes to walk when he won in europe is so stupid ofcourse he was going to stay for and go again.
How the hell do you two muppets get it so wrong….continuously
Our form since December has been shocking , we have the oldest and smallest squad in the prem
Our goals against record is up there with the bottom 3 and we have won 4 games from the last 24
Andy, so West Ham are NEVER allowed to want to challenge for 4-5? We have to settle for ONLY challenging for 6-7-8? I love you truly believe that we can’t want more for our club. You drive me insane.
Realistically, you will be challenging to stay in the PL and rejoice when you've just escaped it. 4th or 5th ? Go for the title as well.
You're going to need a big spend on players to challenge for 4-5. Not just a new manager.
How long u been watching football lol
West Ham don't spend like a top 5 team so no, it isn't reasonable for supporters to expect a manager to finish up there.
Arteta wouldn't be finishing top 5 with that West Ham budget. You're basically asking for a miracle.
@@TP-pq9xxyou are aware Moyes has been handed just under half a billion to put together a team he nearly relegated last year and now leaves us with the smallest and oldest squad ?
West Ham should be finishing in the top 6 or 7... of the championship
Troll
They'll regret that. Just ask the Wolves.......
Goldstein Out
West Ham is not winning anything anymore, even the football skints at most times, but you have a good manager. Your new manager will spend more money than DM and never qualify for Europe. Good luck, DM will be back in another premier league club, see Everton since he left.
Who ? Because when these two clowns were talking about Moyes a few weeks ago they couldn’t think of any premier league club that would have him. What a fcking Myth has built up behind this manager .