Commissar's can be independent of units in strategic reserve. Now that Voice of command allows orders once Guard officers pop out of reserve or a transport. You can pop a commisar in from a transport or reserve to do an order and a summary execution where needed.
it is an interesting point but the mental image is even more metal. imagine the battle in full force. somewhere on a flank, a squad of guardsmen get battered and start covering as shellshock kicks in. suddenly a random commissar pops up from a random bush, shoots one of the guardsman and start screaming at the squad to get their s..t together.
Thinking of running one in a 20man krieg blob pushing into the center behind a 20man catachan unit. The catachans are likely gonna get wiped or close to but they bait out a decent amount of stuff because its 20+ wounds. aswell as having scout, so with scout and move move move and advance they can get like 40 oc on the center. Then the death korps move up next and are pretty tanky.
There was a metal Commissar model who had one leg on a rock leaning forward. It looked like he was surveying the battle. I don't remember what weapons he had. I guess this Commissar model is supposed to have the standing straight stern Commissar look. Which is okay, but it wpuld be nice to have a variety of poses like the Commissar above.
Damn shame they lost their bodyguards from 9th. My Mechanized Infantry Division’s commander needs his loyal ogryn chef again! I only keep them in my list to round out some points. I bring 3, with 2 usually sitting near my 4 infantry squads with heavy weapons I leave defending objectives. Tried merging them into 20 man blocks they could lead; hated myself for it. They’d have more value if battleshock actually meant something like they alluded to before 10th released. Executing a guardsmen just isn’t worth it
Eh, at T3, 5++, and 3W, I wouldn't chance it in the majority of my games. One indirect fire weapon and that model is guaranteed dead. Scions are better at 55 points for that.
Before I date a woman I ask her what she thinks of the old Commissar's... It gives me great insight into a persons deepest psychology. SHE SAYS: "Oh I think a Commissar or two are vital to maintaining discipline within the ranks" I SAY: "Yeah I don't think this is gonna work out... I'm a total Catachan..."
What if I told you... I have 3? Because... I kept getting handed a free one at every event I went to last year 😂 I need to give them away. They weren't in the video because I am such a slow painter.
To me, the new commissar model, doesn't look lik a commissar. Where is his red sash? Who sat on this mans hat? Those are his 2 signs of authority, the red sash and the high peaked hat, and both are missing from this model. He just looks like an officer in a black coat.
commissars are really good, tho issue with them I think is usually a unit will be destroyed before a battle shock is forced. I run them in 1k points because I like his aura and orders but i think with the unit competing with psykers and tech priests its sadly a lil too expensive. If he was 20 points or 25 he might see more play but i do encourage him depending on the local meta you are in.
Commissar vs Regimental Preacher... My list had both, but now that the Manticore has increased by 30 points I would have to choose. Both give melee buffs. Priest is 35 points and has better inv save. Commissaris 30 points and has summary execution, duty and honor, and better leadership.
I got some of the Steel Legion Commissars with bolter and power sword. I would have taken them in my lists as Commissars if they could get a Bolter and issue FRFSRF instead of Fix Bajonets (or in addition to that) 😊 which I think would also be in the spirit of a Commissar. "Schoot you dogs, will you?" 😂
@@CadianSergeantSteel Or for D3 mortal wounds the unit is able to shoot after falling back within 12" of a Commissar. Which would also make him very interesting imho. Regardless of his utility when it comes to objective control, I think Commissars feel like a missed opportunity. Something is lacking plain speaking.
@@CadianSergeantSteel Commissar rule: No time to rest: At the start of your shooting phase roll a D6, on a 4+ remove a model of your unit. This unit counts as not having moved. "You are in fresh condition when I say so!" 🤣
@@CadianSergeantSteel Thanks 😆 I think Commissars should have more of this meat grinder charakter rules-wise to be able to pull off the impossible in exchange of guardsmen ... OR ... just give him the option of having a bolter and power weapon BACK! This is of course just my opinion 😂
They missed the opportunity for commissar to lead Ogryn and Bullgryn
Absolutely agree! And the ability to order them specifically.
That would be a fantastic change actually.
Hopefully that will arrive in the codex and give ogryn a nice boost in combat.
Commissar's can be independent of units in strategic reserve. Now that Voice of command allows orders once Guard officers pop out of reserve or a transport. You can pop a commisar in from a transport or reserve to do an order and a summary execution where needed.
That is a great point!
it is an interesting point but the mental image is even more metal. imagine the battle in full force. somewhere on a flank, a squad of guardsmen get battered and start covering as shellshock kicks in. suddenly a random commissar pops up from a random bush, shoots one of the guardsman and start screaming at the squad to get their s..t together.
Damn that is a very smart idea, I will try it out the next time I play!
The Commissar is an amazing meta unit... Assuming you don't own / can't find / can't afford a Cyclops.
They do different things. Why not take 3 of each?
@@CadianSergeantSteel all the action monkeys
What's funny is if a Character model like Creed is battle shocked, the commissar could execute her...
🤣🤣🤣 totally true
I use them with Death Korps of Krieg. Duty and Honor and an extra plasma pistol for 30 points comes in handy.
Quick point… Ibrahm Gaunt also has an LD6. Only applies to the Ghosts of course but worth a mention
Great point! Few things our the guard have high of leadership!
Thinking of running one in a 20man krieg blob pushing into the center behind a 20man catachan unit. The catachans are likely gonna get wiped or close to but they bait out a decent amount of stuff because its 20+ wounds. aswell as having scout, so with scout and move move move and advance they can get like 40 oc on the center. Then the death korps move up next and are pretty tanky.
Im sure theyll change it to where priests and commissars will attach to ALL regimental units. With the exception of setinels
Officio Perfectus Sentinel is not real, it can't hurt you.
@@Beinirham last thing I need is a setinel with a hat
There was a metal Commissar model who had one leg on a rock leaning forward. It looked like he was surveying the battle. I don't remember what weapons he had.
I guess this Commissar model is supposed to have the standing straight stern Commissar look. Which is okay, but it wpuld be nice to have a variety of poses like the Commissar above.
Damn shame they lost their bodyguards from 9th. My Mechanized Infantry Division’s commander needs his loyal ogryn chef again!
I only keep them in my list to round out some points. I bring 3, with 2 usually sitting near my 4 infantry squads with heavy weapons I leave defending objectives. Tried merging them into 20 man blocks they could lead; hated myself for it.
They’d have more value if battleshock actually meant something like they alluded to before 10th released. Executing a guardsmen just isn’t worth it
What about commissar being action monkies like some people use cyclops demolition vehicle? 30 points to drop behind enemy lines and do a secondary?
Eh, at T3, 5++, and 3W, I wouldn't chance it in the majority of my games. One indirect fire weapon and that model is guaranteed dead. Scions are better at 55 points for that.
@@CadianSergeantSteel he survives long enough to do the secondary. indirect can't OW anymore if they don't see their target afaik
Valuable insights. Thanks again. 🤙
My pleasure!
Speaking of books yeah that fall of cadia ending was absolute b.s. a sgt who saved alot of her platoon gets shot for losing a rifle
That's the guard in 40k. It's the worst humanity can be.
@@CadianSergeantSteel yep we hold the line and die fighting
Before I date a woman I ask her what she thinks of the old Commissar's...
It gives me great insight into a persons deepest psychology.
SHE SAYS: "Oh I think a Commissar or two are vital to maintaining discipline within the ranks"
I SAY: "Yeah I don't think this is gonna work out... I'm a total Catachan..."
🤣🤣🤣 that is hilarious!
We need to get Sgt. Steel a "Commisar's Duty" - Loves mine and paid not waaaay over MSRP.
What if I told you... I have 3? Because... I kept getting handed a free one at every event I went to last year 😂 I need to give them away.
They weren't in the video because I am such a slow painter.
To me, the new commissar model, doesn't look lik a commissar. Where is his red sash? Who sat on this mans hat? Those are his 2 signs of authority, the red sash and the high peaked hat, and both are missing from this model. He just looks like an officer in a black coat.
commissars are really good, tho issue with them I think is usually a unit will be destroyed before a battle shock is forced. I run them in 1k points because I like his aura and orders but i think with the unit competing with psykers and tech priests its sadly a lil too expensive. If he was 20 points or 25 he might see more play but i do encourage him depending on the local meta you are in.
if he didnt count as part of the 2 leaders per unit he would be good
Scions arent as easy to kill
Commissar vs Regimental Preacher...
My list had both, but now that the Manticore has increased by 30 points I would have to choose.
Both give melee buffs. Priest is 35 points and has better inv save. Commissaris 30 points and has summary execution, duty and honor, and better leadership.
I would drop the preacher. Commissar has a lot more utility.
Are you also running Catachan Squads?
I am curious why not cut the manticore for a basilisk?
Gets you an extra Catachen squad to if you turn the priest to a commisar
@@CadianSergeantSteel I do have Catachan models, but I'm running them as standard infantry so they can keep their missile launcher.
@@nyxhighlander9894 That could work, but I don't have a basilisk yet, and I like the look of the manticore.
I got some of the Steel Legion Commissars with bolter and power sword. I would have taken them in my lists as Commissars if they could get a Bolter and issue FRFSRF instead of Fix Bajonets (or in addition to that) 😊 which I think would also be in the spirit of a Commissar. "Schoot you dogs, will you?" 😂
Oh yeah! I wish they had access to more orders! Maybe a compromise could be if a bodyguard unit falls back, it suffers d3 mortal wounds 🤣
@@CadianSergeantSteel Or for D3 mortal wounds the unit is able to shoot after falling back within 12" of a Commissar. Which would also make him very interesting imho.
Regardless of his utility when it comes to objective control, I think Commissars feel like a missed opportunity. Something is lacking plain speaking.
@@CadianSergeantSteel Commissar rule: No time to rest: At the start of your shooting phase roll a D6, on a 4+ remove a model of your unit. This unit counts as not having moved.
"You are in fresh condition when I say so!" 🤣
Fricking brilliant 🤣
@@CadianSergeantSteel Thanks 😆 I think Commissars should have more of this meat grinder charakter rules-wise to be able to pull off the impossible in exchange of guardsmen ... OR ... just give him the option of having a bolter and power weapon BACK!
This is of course just my opinion 😂