Why the TVA is Different Deadpool & Wolverine!
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Will LOKI cameo in Deadpool 3? Erik Voss breaks down the visual differences between the TVA as it is depicted in the Loki series vs what they seem to be doing in Deadpool & Wolverine! Is Paradox’s department off-the-books in the TVA, unknown even to God of Stories Loki?
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In Loki S1, when Möbius shows Loki the TVA, that place looks massive. I can only assume there’s more different TVA divisions…
Agree
Fr nothing deeper than that
Different look and feel it's his rebuild. Who's mobius clone?
Kinda agree
That or after Season two wasn’t the plan to stop kang variants so maybe Loki just recruiting heros in case the multiverse war??
I think it’s gonna be a different section of the TVA that was built after Loki saved everyone from being spaghetti
what if the tva has different sectors for different universes, and the “fox universe” is collapsing and needs people to be saved from it ( for secret wars maybe?)
I think this is more likely, considering they showed wade clips from the "sacred timeline" mcu and not some alternate version.
.makes sense
Yeah.
No kang?
Loki's TVA?
Makes sense
It's just an upgraded suit. I think this will be a big nothing burger when the movie drops. Outfits change all the time. I'm also one of the "Theres only 1 TVA for all realities..."
I think the suit color change to red was decided just to allow Deadpool to make a joke by referencing the Star Trek grunts wearing red and destined to die in the episode (or movie in this instance).
@@ironshoes1720they aren’t changed to red they are just a brighter orange
or maybe the TVA who's rebel because they're disagree with Loki's visions and their purpose was to erase the multiverse
@@Hannah-wo9qf Maybe my color settings are playing tricks on me. 🤷🏼♂️
Honestly I still see them as reddish, but whatever. Hope you'll enjoy the movie. 🙂👍🏻
@@ironshoes1720 I think it might be worth looking into! Same to you, it should be a really good time.
The Kevin robot was a gag that is never coming back. There is no way they go forward with that bad joke as the ultimate arbiter of the multiverse.
Dam kevbot 😠
Yeah these RUclips channels dive way, WAY too deep into KEVIN therorys.
The arbiter of "The Platform" maybe.
People really think Kevin ai is a joke😂😁😁 it's like saying Zola algorithm is not a real world thing.
Imo that was such a mistake doing that scene.
Maybe the orange circles on the chest plates are body cams? With a more caring and forgiving TVA, they could use them to make sure the officers are acting appropriately and within company guidelines since now they can't just prune whatever timeline they want and stuff.
Good eye m8
Yep that's exactly what I was thinking
My thoughts exactly, right on
I thought that, but then the lack of "badge numbers" and the hidden faces also says something different about how they operate. Who knows if it is supposed to mean anything at all
These camera's likely are used to police the police, but more likely to act as evidence against arrestee. "Anything you say or do..."
I think the masked TVA agents are only masked so Deadpool/Wolverine/who ever can kill random agents without the audience getting too attached to them. Also, less CGI would be needed.
Yeah, otherwise people would start to think about Wolvie and DP dicing scores of actual people that can't really hurt them at all.
Was thinking the same, no ID numbers mean we don't theorise who they might be, they are just disposable hench men. Even though Loki taught us that each henchman/agent where brought there against their will and forced to work for them 🙈
Imagine if there’s a random scene where Deadpool breaks the fourth wall and the camera pans to Loki and he’s just like “why are you always talking to me?”
YESSSS
Having a scene with Deadpool, Wolverine, and Loki would be very cool and seemingly in line with the narrative crossover. Crossing my fingers.
I know that would be so awesome
Three time-travellers from different universes teaming up! *Worlds Collide!* 😎❤️💛💚
I don't really believe there are multiple versions of the TVA. As for why the suits are different- there could be many reasons. Either those are updated suits (we've seen updated suits in season 2), alternate suits for another division, to maybe they're simply suits that were recreated for the movie (so it would be an out-of-universe thing).
Logically, there shouldn't be as the TVA was only formed to hide 616 from other universes. However, it's possible a different Kang had a similar idea to 616. Maybe the Kang in the X-Men universe had that same idea.
I think that they just might be a different faction of the TVA like a swat team who deals with more aggressive variants so they need more aggressive looking armour
For what it's worth, camouflage that is patterned in colors like orange tends to be referred to as "urban camo" which is funny because deer hunters tend to wear solid, unpatterned orange so other hunters, but deer and turkeys are unable to see/differentiate it from other things.
10:03 prisoner 24601 is also a nod to hugh jackman being valjean in les miserable and a massive staple of musical theater overall
The TVA is huge. It'd be silly of anyone to think we saw the only department in such a big organisation. This could be happening simultaneously with the latest developments in Loki.
I think the void looks different because Casandra Nova has control over Alaith... which then clears the sky
the note about the hair is sending me 😂
I'm leaning more to it being a Disney+ snap reference - I mean he even throws his remote/whatever is in his hands in a motion like the swoosh does above the plus.
In e1s1 of LOKI, Mobius tells Loki that Nightmare is a different department from his. So this might also be just a department in the TVA that Mobius *does* know about and he just doesn't much deal with. Like, it doesn't necessarily have to be some off-the-books section of the TVA as much as it's just a different department in an impossibly large bureaucracy.
Same here. Just commented close to the same thing. Agree.
you might be onto something… kinda like a deli worker and someone from the clothing dept in the same walmart probably won’t have much interaction, if any
Nailed it
I stan the wild uncombed hair :D
what if the tva has different sectors for different universes, and the “fox universe” is collapsing and people need to be saved from them because they will be needed in the future (secret wars)
ha i was right!
If the TVA has changed to pruning Kang's then it's safe to assume they would have a more aggressive minutemen. I think this is just changes that Loki or Obi or the judges have put in place over time.
Same TVA
TV Money vs Movie Money
They have more money for the art department.
The Loki series, according to Kevin Feige had the same budget as a movie.
Shouldn't the title be "Why the TVA is Different *in* Deadpool & Wolverine"?
I'm thinking what if the TVA we are seeing in deadpool 3 are, in fact, the TVA from the Fox universe. They are trying to maintain their sacred timeline.
The screens of the MCU could be deadpool being shown the universe that is causing all the problems.
Prisoner 24601 is a call back to Hugh Jackman's character in the movie les miserables👍
Maybe all those images on the TVA screens are just placeholders. Maybe they'll be different at release
That definitely could be the case.
Please pin
This is fun, and I'm fully on board with this kind of speculation, but we need to keep at top of mind that Marvel has a history of putting stuff in trailers that isn't in the movie (or is different in the movie). Can't you just hear Deadpool looking at the camera and saying, "Well, now, this wasn't THAT way in the trailer. Darn, that was gonna be good".
It's none of the above, this is simply the first time most audience members will have encountered the TVA so their outfits are stylized for the movies versus the cheap outfits for Disney+ shows
@KathrynElizabeth-ts2gkthen why did the outfits in Loki look like a 4th grade stage play?
I think Loki has made some serious changes since he's become God of Stories and hero of the TVA! 👀
This video didn't really age well lol
Was Wade crying just before he answered the door to the TVA? Kinda looks like there's a tear under his eye when he answers the door
No, he wasn't.
I mean I instantly thought it was a different tva since it’s a different universe, I would imagine they don’t span across the multiverse since they’re just time cops. People tend to use the tree with multiple branches being different timelines. And the way I always envisioned it is that if you extend that tree into a forest then each tree is a different universe. Whether that’s wrong or right I like that view enough to prolly use it in my own stories.
its not the fact that its wrong but the fact that it just makes no sense. the tva is outside of time, outside of the mutliverse like the watcher. theres not one for every universe because they dont exist in a universe
The tva isn’t in all the universes it’s not in any universe essentially it’s beyond them seeing them all
TVA exists outside of time, it's not a different TVA
@@offlineraided best way to put it
The TVA. Exists. Outside. Of the Multiverse.
It’s not that hard to understand.
I genuinely think the TVA is militarized as their main purpose now is to hunt down Kang Variants instead of pruning branched timelines. Paradox perhaps wants Deadpool's help to assemble a multiverse avengers team because they have discovered that the Council of Kangs is about to declare another multiversal war.
You realize that the easter eggs dont even matter anymore. Theyre not doing anything with the movies like they once did.
Those little circles in the middle of the chest plate are cameras.
Why is the TVA different in Deadpool & Wolverine? Simple, bigger budget.
I feel like this TVA with Paradox will be a rogue version with Renslayer
TVA wars
@@joenciso364 Facts 🤣
Would love to see a cheeky little interaction between Loki and Deadpool! Also just to see whether Loki can actually leave his throne. I'm curious about that.
I dont really care how they explain it, I just love that the TVA got a bigger movie buget look. It looks pretty badass.
This feels like higher budget wardrobe. Remember the Borg costume in TNG vs First Contact?
It’s different because it’s post-God of Stories Loki no? Bit of a restructuring.
Do you think Hydra Bob will make an appearance since it looks like he is heading to the “hydra” era of the MCU?
The tva in the void could be previously pruned agent
Maybe each timeline has their own TVA, which is amassing warriors for the upcoming "war" before they realise they should work together.
I wouldn’t notice your hair if you didn’t say anything lol
Look at you still excited by the MCU. So adorable. 😂
I think there are two different factions of the TVA. Why did he grab Deadpools hair if they are taking him to the same place?
I feel like the tva with the pruning sticks and the one who pulled him through the time door are opposing factions of the tva
I thought the same thing and could track well with other scenes of the trailer where he's fighting the masked TVA troops but would also be there helping another department in a "classified" CIA like role.
You mean *IN deadpool & wolverine!
Isn't the whole idea of this is that it's connected? The tva in deadpool being different from that of lokis completely undermines that series and makes it pointless.
could this be a tva in search for heros for secret wars
Surely the TVA is different as it's a TVA from a different Universe. Maybe all of this goes down as they are hiring Deadpool as an assasin to kill the MCU variants that are causing an incursion?
I think that's a better idea than doubling down on KEVIN, something that received terrible feedback and ruins what many people love about the MCU.
The movie looks good can’t wait
Same 👍
ive been wondering about this thank you!
Maybe the writers of DP+W didn’t watch Loki as with the Doctor Strange MOM writers with WandaVision
I would love to see Loki but it would have to be a small piece to avoid damaging the journey we watched him go through
I think its going to be the tva from the kang universe that loki variant fell in at the end of loki S1
Kevin needs to not be a thing anymore. It's silly nonsense
I was wondering if maybe there are different TVA's and maybe they're at odds with each other or are somehow enemies or have different goals or purposes..
this does bring up an interesting point, though. since this is a film, not a series, would dp not be able to break out of the mcu & get into the real world until the deadpool three hits disney plus?
This shit better be good. Marvel got two more movies before I keep my money.
Tva is huge I bet there's sections for alot of the universal threat characters
I'm not sure we've ever established if there's only one TVA for all universes or if there's a different TVA in each universe. I'm going with this being an entirely different TVA rather than a division.
The whole point of the TVAs creation was to hide the Sacred Timeline 616 from other universes. Therefore, the TVA only watches 616.
It's possible that a different Kang from a different Universe, let's say 838, for example, made their own TVA to fulfill a similar purpose.
That's why the TVA in Deadpool 3 is different. It's a completely different universes.
I’m calling it now, the masked Minute Men are Deadpool Variants….
OR…it’s an entirely separate TVA for the FOX X-Men multiverse. now that Loki has integrated the Yggdrasil version of the MCU (which was previously isolated by HWR) back into the greater multiverse/megaverse, not only can other Kangs access in but also other TVA’s. however, the Void and Alioth might be some sort of nexus zone so there’s only one shared by all Kangs & TVA’s
One void, one alioth, one TVA. Different Kangs compete to take over it and create their own version of TVA by starting over.
He goes through all this for nothing cause this is just another case of Marvel’s continuity department not working out. They never communicate between shows & movies so things like Wakanda’s technology & the TVA look different. The lack of continuity is why Marvel movies are a mess. It’s only going to get worse.
You mean biggest movie since NWH 🧐
Yeah I dunno this is a bit of a stretch.
It's a different universe's TVA.
I think Loki might cameo as a gag, like the X-Men cast in Deadpool 2.
I told you this! Every sacred timeline has its variation of the tva. Loki isn't holding together a multiverse, just the 1 timelines branching timelines
What happened to your hair, bud?
I think the TVA agents’s lack of number IDs just symbolizes Loki letting them have their own identities
That does make sense.
Kang are one of his variants are still in control!
Next time just keep the helmet on lol
It is definitely a different TVA the only time we see the only time icons is in the time keepers room we see the door two times only in season 1 the sword going down has something to do with kang but I don’t know quite yet
The dots on the TVA uniforms look like they could be Chest Cams.
I’ve been trying to tell yall!!
Deadpool uses Cables watch, changes his timeline.
TVA shows up immediately, and prunes his timeline.
Deadpool kills them, steals a temp pad, and jumps thru timelines grabbing versions of people he cares about. That’s why his girlfriends is calling him “Buddy”.
He gets away with this for a while, killing the TVA anytime they find him.
They regroup, upgrade, and come back to get him.
This is probably the Deadpool department and Paradox is a DP expert.
Also before Loki the TVA was a police force drowning in bureaucracy and now its a military organization with a mission.
Also stop with the two TVA theories. You RUclipsrs are confusing people again, because as always, you go for the outlandish choices - 2 TVAs - instead of the simple explanation - 2 different departments.
"Biggest movie since Endgame"
NWH: almost $2B....ok
MoM: almost $1....alright
Watch DP3 actually follow what Ryan wanted for the movie and not do all that but just referencing Marvel easter eggs.
I think everyone is overthinking this. It’s most likely the same TVA but different branch under Paradox. The fact they look different just means ALL OF TVA AGENTS will now look like this going forward, basically it’s the upgrade from screen to theater.
not realy lol
What X-Men should I watch before this Deadpool? I've seen the first 3 and Logan (maybe others?). None of the "younger X-Men" films. I appreciate input. (And of course I've seen the first 2 Deadpools)
I think these guys are the TVA after Loki S02.
Because power doesn't work in TVA. and if you look at Deadpool after being captured. He is not struggling/dying. Which means his regenerative power is working inside TVA.
Well maybe the tva just upgraded their armory/weaponry after what happened in s2... they gon fight kang after all .... (i know that marvel is moving on from Jonathan Majors but when this movie was still on its writing/preproduction kang was still the major bad villain in mcu)
Do we know when this movie takes place in the timeline? Bc it could just simply be that it takes place in between season 1 and 2 of Loki, when the TVA was split, and each universe has their own TVA sector, and this is just the Fox universe TVA. I may be wrong, but I think the whole "each universe having it's own sector of TVA within the entirety of the TVA" thing is correct
I been saying this since I seen the trailer and the concept of DP3 I believe although there is only one TVA in the whole multiverse. I believe this is the Fox version of the TVA recruiting Deadpool to kill the MCU but Deadpool knows the fox universe no longer exist so he goes to save the MCU to merge mutants and other fox characters not currently in the MCU **F4**
@newrockstars What if he is the department "nightmare" in the TVA. Check out at 19 min 30 second mark. It sounds like a more aggressive/arrogant type department that even mobius would like to see burn down.
To me this looks like a completely different TVA! And why are we assuming Marvel didn’t manipulate the screens that shows Thor and Avengers Age of ultron! Purposely put there to deceive us! I feel TVA is either pre Loki season 2 or maybe A different TVA altogether
The chest lens may be a camera or more likely a temporal scanner that can display in the visors.
Does the void have to be ONE location?.... like the earth and other planets are pretty big, just because you're shown one spot doesn't mean that's the ONLY location. The quantum realm had different locations
It could be that those hunters are SWAT as in Special Weapons and Tactics. Or it could just be that the production supervisors found ways to reuse actors and costumes. If we don't see their faces and they don't have numbers then Deadpool can kill them several times and you can stick to the same stunt crew of 5-8 guys for every shot.
One thing that's been bugging me and that could be a solution for why it's been a rough few years. Weren't they trying to have a kid at the end of the last movie? I haven't seen any hints that they have a kid.
I don’t see the point of having more than one TVA when they’re supposed to look after the whole multiverse.
I think it's just going to be Deadpool's killing off the fox TVA because they tricked him or something and then he helps out the MCU TVA or something and joins this universe cuz this version of them is definitely different than the version in Loki. I don't think it's a different department. I think it's a different universe's version of them
I really think that this TVA is a safe net that HWR set up if things doesnt go to plan to restore some version of HWR. They hire DP to restore the OG timeline that we all know just because DP is kind of nexus being. The first arc will be DP restore the OG timeline but then the 2nd arc will be with Woverine and try to stop this secret TVA and create the chaos lead to Avenger 5
could also just be marvel going “I think it’s time for a change of style” would be the first time they just didn’t give a shit about the previous movie and taking into a count that they actually have a cinematic universe to keep up with.
Could also just be a different TVA department.
Or..... it's just different production designers handling things slightly differently.
I truly believe they are playing safe.
Deadpool is the only mainline character. All others are variants from other universes.
So Mobius and Loki could likely just be a pair of TVA agents like in season one of Loki.
Maybe even just pass them in the hall.
I still think MOST universes front line are the TVA. Those TVA agents could be from his original universe. We might even see multiple different TVAs in this one. With each one protecting it's own version of a Sacred Timeline or Idea.
How dense are y’all, the TVA is bound to change because their objective has changed, why would it be the same. The answer to the question is the person in charge changed to the TVA changed its that simple smh 🤦🏽♂️