Vespa is more a self-supporting body, kind of like current cars that don't have a frame and a body, but a body that works as a frame... monocoque is a single piece chassis and body structure.. but yeah I thought the same hahah
@@andypacmanperez Not really. Suzuki has the SV650 & Kawasaki have the H2's & Eliminator, but Honda & Yamaha don't have any in their current lineup. Ducati, who's entire lineup used to be practically all trellis, only has the XDiavel & Scrambler left. KTM seems to be the only brand left that's championing the trellis.
To be fair to KTM, their rider won the MXGP. Although it's technically a Gas Gas that won, it's still a KTM in the end. And so does the MX2, which was won by Husqvarna... which is also a KTM.
A true monocoque bike would be something like the vespa, there's no "frame" underneath the fairings, the fairings are the frame. The only sport bikes with a monocoque today are the motoE bikes made by ducati, not their street models.
I love these types of videos , good to know more about the motorcycle i ride so that i can appreciate all the engineering in it My Motorcycle has a deltabox frame
I had a ZX-12 for a while and its actually not bad to work on. The engineers thought of what was needed to do normal service and accommodated that. I love the look of the trellis frame on my Bandit 400 and the monster aluminum spars on my FZR1000. My TDM850 has a rare, stamped steel twin spar and it's hard to tell (besides the welds) that it isn't alum.
Another very good example of trellis frame is the RE interceptor/continental 650. Very good frame as it was developed by Harris performance (which RE bought during development)
@In-Marty-We-Trust looking into it, I think you're right, it's just tubular... Wtf. (funny enough, if you Google Interceptor 650 frame or Interceptor 650 chassis, it shows you a picture of a Kawasaki W800 frame for some reason) I could've sworn it was a trellis frame as I read about it before, but it seems like their only trellis frame is the new Himalayan 450.
Nice refreshing topic I did not really thought about. Thanks for your nice researched Video 🏍. I recently switched to a Aprilia RSV Mille RP and was astonished about the frame quality (perimeter frame). Unfortunately new "low cost" bikes does not focus on this anymore, at least from my angle
@chaos I want to ride from job to cpt in December, can u make a video about how to prep. Also about the best bikes. I’m 19 and have a Ktm duke so the more hooligan bike for the trip the better
The *entire* triumph line up, INCLUDING the daytona 750, 900, 1000, and 1200, the tiger, speed triple, sprint, and all the rest used a very thick backbone frame. If engineered correctly, they can be just as stiff as other styles.
I think my 690 SMCR has a trellis. It's due for a valve check this winter and it looks like its easy to get at the valve cover. Not sure about my NC750X. It uses tubular steel in any case and it seems a bit flexy but it's not the kind of bike you ride hard so that's just fine. My K1600GT has a big boxy aluminum frame of some sort and for a bike that's so heavy, the handling is fairly taut.
What is the advantage MV Agusta sees in their hybrid frame, where the swing-arm pivot is an aluminium plate and the rest of the chassis is trellis? Recently, the Kawasaki-Bimota WSBK bike also has a similar chassis setup.
How’d KTM win over triumph’s rocket 3 storm r is beyond me Also interestingly my bikes throughout the years are as follows: Cbr250r - twin spar (first bike, gone) Tnt 135 - trellis (in garage) Sportster S - trellis (traded in for Pan Am Special) Pan America Special - i have no idea(in garage) Superduke 1290 R EVO - trellis (totalled rip) Z H2 SE - trellis (in garage) R6 - i’m not sure either, it’s an 06 (in garage track bike) 690 enduro r - tubular? ( in garage, off road)
none will "dominate" because of COST vs EFFECTIVENESS the 'best' frames are the Monocoque and Trellis but these are also the most expensive frames to produce so will see way more Twin Spar and Double Cradle because both are relatively cheep to produce and avre very effective frames
just to clarify, perimeter frames are nothing new, it's just about the form of the frame and can be steel box sections like on the FJ1200. they don't have to be fancy forms of aluminium :)
my bike has a steel trellis diamond frame... I imagine they will actually be the most common due to modularity and despite being harder to manufacture they are making lighter bikes which means you need less beef in your engine which makes lighter bikes... so kind of win-win imo...
Do you have Royal Enfield Himalayan 450 at South Africa if yes make a review 🙂 Here in india thats the only one comfortable 450cc ADV KTM Adv suspension is stiff but the 450 has softer so if it possible to take a test ride please consider to try it
Is using aluminum just for weight or is there another reason I know that many companies use aluminum swingarm to aid with handling even ktm does that. Wondering if there is something that makes aluminum chassis so good for sportbikes
So what is a diamond type frame called technically? 🤔 It is normally used in sub 400cc bikes in Asian countries for naked sports commuter bike or budget sports bike or roadsters too.
5:02 that's the biggest lie, you can barely remove the sparkplugs at the edges of the head due to the low clearance between the frame and head of the engine
Vespa - The best example of a monococque
😂😂😂
Vespa is more a self-supporting body, kind of like current cars that don't have a frame and a body, but a body that works as a frame... monocoque is a single piece chassis and body structure.. but yeah I thought the same hahah
In my garage at the moment:
2023 Husqvarna Svartpilen 401 - Trellis
2019 KTM Duke 200 - Trellis
2008 Aprilia Shiver 750 - Trellis
1993 Suzuki GSF250 Bandit - Trellis
My 2 previous bikes:
2006 Kawasaki ER-6F - Trellis (sort of)
1984 Ducati 600 SL Pantah - Trellis
I guess I have a "Type".
Hmmmm i think we know 🤔
I think trellis is just more common on the market these days in general
@@andypacmanperez Not really. Suzuki has the SV650 & Kawasaki have the H2's & Eliminator, but Honda & Yamaha don't have any in their current lineup. Ducati, who's entire lineup used to be practically all trellis, only has the XDiavel & Scrambler left. KTM seems to be the only brand left that's championing the trellis.
0:15 That roast on KTM tho 😂😂😂😂
Really?
To be fair to KTM, their rider won the MXGP. Although it's technically a Gas Gas that won, it's still a KTM in the end. And so does the MX2, which was won by Husqvarna... which is also a KTM.
Great morning everyone!
Why great morning?
Because it's Sunday Funday when all the moto channels upload.
I'm about to ride out to the local flea market. Don't forget to get out and ride today!
Twin spar is the best frame for almost everything, monocoque is more like a variation of twinspar
I think twin spar is a variation of monocoque . The idea is the same. Force being divided
A true monocoque bike would be something like the vespa, there's no "frame" underneath the fairings, the fairings are the frame.
The only sport bikes with a monocoque today are the motoE bikes made by ducati, not their street models.
I ride a 2018 RSV4 RF LE.
I got her because of her frame.
Same thing for human girls too.
I'm so happy, I met this man at Freestyle Kings today!!!
Awesome to meet you!
I love these types of videos , good to know more about the motorcycle i ride so that i can appreciate all the engineering in it
My Motorcycle has a deltabox frame
I had a ZX-12 for a while and its actually not bad to work on. The engineers thought of what was needed to do normal service and accommodated that. I love the look of the trellis frame on my Bandit 400 and the monster aluminum spars on my FZR1000. My TDM850 has a rare, stamped steel twin spar and it's hard to tell (besides the welds) that it isn't alum.
The Honda ct70 and 110 and the best example of a monocoque frame
Very cool video indeed. Really cool to see all the different type of frames. Again, great job!!!!!
Excelent video !! Wish it was longer, it ended too soon, keep up the good work with the channel, love the content like this 💪💪💪
Another very good example of trellis frame is the RE interceptor/continental 650. Very good frame as it was developed by Harris performance (which RE bought during development)
They’re a much simpler double cradle.
@In-Marty-We-Trust looking into it, I think you're right, it's just tubular... Wtf.
(funny enough, if you Google Interceptor 650 frame or Interceptor 650 chassis, it shows you a picture of a Kawasaki W800 frame for some reason)
I could've sworn it was a trellis frame as I read about it before, but it seems like their only trellis frame is the new Himalayan 450.
Nice refreshing topic I did not really thought about. Thanks for your nice researched Video 🏍. I recently switched to a Aprilia RSV Mille RP and was astonished about the frame quality (perimeter frame). Unfortunately new "low cost" bikes does not focus on this anymore, at least from my angle
i have a 990 smt with trellis and a zx12r with monocoque an you are right it is a paaaain to work on xD
Triumph calls the frame in my TS660 a "Steel Perimeter" frame apparently. So kind of like a cross between a backbone and a trellis
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Single/double cradle frames providing flex to the frame can be a benefit to offroaders. They fall a lot and bend but don't break easily.
wow, such a unique topic. loved the info sirrr
Right on time!
Thanks dude. Good info.
I wonder if a dirt bike with any other frame would be beneficial in some way
needed this❤
@chaos I want to ride from job to cpt in December, can u make a video about how to prep. Also about the best bikes. I’m 19 and have a Ktm duke so the more hooligan bike for the trip the better
The *entire* triumph line up, INCLUDING the daytona 750, 900, 1000, and 1200, the tiger, speed triple, sprint, and all the rest used a very thick backbone frame. If engineered correctly, they can be just as stiff as other styles.
from 1990-1996*
My 1390 R Evo is in my living Room waiting agian for warmer times :D
My VFR1200F apparently has a Double Beam Cast Aluminium Vacuum Mold frame.
Probably a variation on the Twin Spar frame.
I think my 690 SMCR has a trellis. It's due for a valve check this winter and it looks like its easy to get at the valve cover. Not sure about my NC750X. It uses tubular steel in any case and it seems a bit flexy but it's not the kind of bike you ride hard so that's just fine. My K1600GT has a big boxy aluminum frame of some sort and for a bike that's so heavy, the handling is fairly taut.
0:13 I swear nobody could actually pronounce his last name not even himself 😭
What is the advantage MV Agusta sees in their hybrid frame, where the swing-arm pivot is an aluminium plate and the rest of the chassis is trellis? Recently, the Kawasaki-Bimota WSBK bike also has a similar chassis setup.
I have a Twin Spar-2024 Street Triple RS
How’d KTM win over triumph’s rocket 3 storm r is beyond me
Also interestingly my bikes throughout the years are as follows:
Cbr250r - twin spar (first bike, gone)
Tnt 135 - trellis (in garage)
Sportster S - trellis (traded in for Pan Am Special)
Pan America Special - i have no idea(in garage)
Superduke 1290 R EVO - trellis (totalled rip)
Z H2 SE - trellis (in garage)
R6 - i’m not sure either, it’s an 06 (in garage track bike)
690 enduro r - tubular? ( in garage, off road)
Rip superduke😢
such a shame ducati iconic trellis frame is gone now
Twin spar in aprilia rs457 makes the bike a bench mark in its class. Excellent handling…
Great video, it’s not steel, chrome moly, what happened to the CBR?
It's getting cold here in Germany and your videos keep my Bike infected brain under Control XD
Thank you for that🫶🏽
none will "dominate" because of COST vs EFFECTIVENESS the 'best' frames are the Monocoque and Trellis but these are also the most expensive frames to produce so will see way more Twin Spar and Double Cradle because both are relatively cheep to produce and avre very effective frames
I guess backbone frame is the ideal solution for a "cheap, low HP bike", like the Honda CB1000R :(
just to clarify, perimeter frames are nothing new, it's just about the form of the frame and can be steel box sections like on the FJ1200. they don't have to be fancy forms of aluminium :)
1:39 my bike!!
Good bike I'd say
my bike has a steel trellis diamond frame... I imagine they will actually be the most common due to modularity and despite being harder to manufacture they are making lighter bikes which means you need less beef in your engine which makes lighter bikes... so kind of win-win imo...
What about the Diamond frame? My XADV has one.
What about the EBR’s in-frame fuel tank ?
"Trellis frame looks good in orange"... true that
What would you call the frame on a victory vision?
Do you have Royal Enfield Himalayan 450 at South Africa if yes make a review 🙂
Here in india thats the only one comfortable 450cc ADV
KTM Adv suspension is stiff but the 450 has softer so if it possible to take a test ride please consider to try it
Backbone frame: take a look at the work of Fritz Egli. And frameless bikes like the classic Vincent.
Are vespa's monocoque frame bikes?
is Underbone and Backbone similar?
Because here in Philippines, we call small cc bikes ,Underbone.
What about the Kawasaki ZH2 Trellis?
What frame type is a steel diamond?
Is using aluminum just for weight or is there another reason
I know that many companies use aluminum swingarm to aid with handling even ktm does that. Wondering if there is something that makes aluminum chassis so good for sportbikes
Mine has a twin spar frame (Aprilia RS457) After watching this video, I feel proud to have twin spar on my motorcycle.
What about Tubular Frame
Brilliant..
So what is a diamond type frame called technically? 🤔 It is normally used in sub 400cc bikes in Asian countries for naked sports commuter bike or budget sports bike or roadsters too.
They're usually a type of cradle-frame
I wonder how the NC750X frame fits in. I guess it's just a weird version of a trellis frame.
5:02 that's the biggest lie, you can barely remove the sparkplugs at the edges of the head due to the low clearance between the frame and head of the engine
Hahah accessible doesn't always mean easy.
Spark plugs are still a nightmare!
What is a diamond frame ?
Double craddle Re Continental GT
Honda cb919f hornet 2002 backbone
price vs performance is the difference
Underbone chassy sire
I have diamond frame.
I have a question why are all the frames you are describing supporting an Indian?
Suzuki SV650 = steel trellis and Monster wannabe 😊
err... Monocoque I guess? since it is a Vespa GTS 300
There is unberbone frame use in scooter, u missing right
Perimeter frame 🤌
delta box frame,yamaha r15,
I think it’s in Twin spar
Where Deltabox??
My bike has an underbone frame
Raider 150?
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there is also a frame called "underbone frame" used on, such as, Honda Super Cub.
Where underbone
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#TeamMonocoque, because I (sadly) only have one coque ^^
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