Russia Removing Pratt & Whitney Engines From Test MC-21s?
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- Опубликовано: 16 авг 2022
- Russian aircraft manufacturer Irkut is reportedly planning to swap Pratt & Whitney engines for Russian-made Aviadvigatel PD-14 engines on an MC-21-300 jet.
The Russian planemaker is reportedly planning test flights of the aircraft with the new engines fitted - a move that comes more than six months after the US and European nations imposed sanctions on Russia preventing its airlines from accessing aircraft, engines, and spare parts made in those countries.
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I think Russia can do without any help from the West.
Not as well as the West can do without Russia.
😂 Russia is very good Jet engine, without them even USA can't build engine
@@rakesharamaiah2737 Germany invented the jet, without them even Russia couldn’t manufacture one.
@@Etherus69 Actually Whittles Rolls-Royce engines made a much bigger influence on modern Jet-engine design. Both American and Soviet.
Yet most of the computers on the MC-21 is made by western companies 🤨
MC-21 300 is the version with PW engines. The plane with PD14 engines is called MC-21 310.
Irkut being forced by sanctions to retool its supply chain reminds me of Tesla's early days when they were boycotted by many suppliers. They had to build everything from the ground up and become highly vertically integrated -- now recognized as a core strength of the teracap company.
why were tesla boycotted by their suppliers?
The key difference is that a vertical monopoly requires scale - obtained by Tesla through a large domestic market plus overseas markets. Irkut has only a modest domestic market, as not even Russian "allies" will buy planes they cannot fly into most countries and which cannot be on sold.
@@johngraham245 Most WESTERN countries. Flying inside Asia, Africa and Latin America doesn't require EASA or FAA certification, given that they are only needed for US and EU. Perfectly fine for domestic routes.
@@johngraham245 Iran will probably buy for domestic flights and flights to countries like Iraq or Pakistan
@@johngraham245 Typical Western egocentrism. "Most contries", "whole (civilised, free, etc) world"...
And when you write about Western American "allies", it's without quotes, isn't it?
What is the point of the tenor of your report? Russia have been planning on building the PD-14 since 2000. In fact the Aviadvigatel wasn't ready at the time of MC-21's initial development and Pratt and Witney already had an engine available. Secondly, the PD-14 was first fitted to the MC-21 prototype in 2019 which has nothing to do with current sanctions. Indeed it was the 2014 sanctions which accelerated the PD-14 development. Perhaps you should point out that P&W's engine was saved by Irkut's purchase of the type. Sadly for Pratt and Whitney , they've now lost a customer forever! What a shame.
The copium is real. The PW1400G intended for use on the MC-21 is the same engine that powers the A320neo family; literally nobody outside of Russia cares that Irkut isn't buying them anymore.
Exactly.
MC-21 lost western customers customers forever
Russia was working on the "PD-14 engine" before the issues with sanctions :)
UAC conducted 100+ flight tests of MS-21 with production quality PD-14. Tests will be finished in nearest months.
It is high time to restore aviation fabrication in RU and CIS
The most daring and suicidal idea was to develop it using western parts. Why was it primarily designed with pw1400? These are the faults of governors. This project was able to be introduced many years ago if we hadn't relied on airbuses and boeings this much and on western suppliers.
I'm sure it will be a huge success, Beautiful looking aircraft. Gorgeous looking cockpit. Russian engineers building Russians planes, flown by Russian pilots, maintained by Russian mechanics to fly Russians from point A to point B.
and when it crash it will be a 100% russian crash so we d'ont care ! lol😝
@@jean-francoislemieux5509 Wow. I don't know what it's like to hate people like that. To wish people to die on a plane. Who did you say you were with again, Al-Qaeda?
@@yhird no they specialize on hating women and music, i just hate everything russian
@@yhird also i didnt say it was going to crash with passengers...
@@jean-francoislemieux5509 What do you expect a PASSENGER JET to crash with, fish?
It always was their intent to offer a MC-21 variant with Russian engines, so sanctions simply fast-forwarded things.
Yes, but not they won’t be able to export the planes. Nobody wants Russian engines but Russians.
@@Sophie-and-Ken - They'll be able to export to countries that don't want their human rights records scrutinized.
@@Archduke17 not really , US and its little dog england wont be buying
@@Archduke17 the US has done way worse things than russia and no one does anything to them
@@Archduke17 The USA can hardly claim to have clean hands in that area
That should really inspire confidence in the program.
Confidence? A russian designed, and manufactured, airframe that was intended to use a long list of western components, being retrofitted with whatever comparable components they can scrounge up in russia.
Nothing about that inspires confidence
@@edwardgiovannelli5191 Precisely.
I have been on Russian TU jets, they are tough, functional and comfortable.
... and sometimes they even fly.
@@edwardgiovannelli5191 still have less crashes compare to Boeing
I also remember very nice Tu jets. Even very old models of Tu jests are very comfortable and are in fact better than some modern Airbus versions etc. Russia is bringing more new Tu jets out thankfully.
@@manidhiman15that's because few airlines use them. Even Russia airlines don't use Russian planes!
@@YellowGun114 crush number counted in per capita, per flight hours
This aircraft gave Russia hope for the revival of its aircraft industry, and its simply very beautiful 🙂
These planes and the PD-14 engine must go through a certification process and mass production must be facilitated which takes years. All machinery for manufacturing comes from western Europe. Also Russia doesn't manufacture cockpit instruments for passenger aircraft. So with their current stolen fleet running out of spare parts the Russian aviation industry is doomed.
@@martijnstam6186 how many passenger airliners in this world are entirely produced in one country + how many countries were able to at least partially build an airliner after almost 35 years of stagnation in the industry? At least it's designed and it flies
@@user-mo3cf8he7g All passenger aircraft have foreign parts. Issue is that Russia cannot source these anymore.
@@martijnstam6186 well, the only question is corruption, if you wish, you can buy anything
@@user-mo3cf8he7g Sure, buy truckloads of machinery from France and Germany to build planes illegally.
They can build it, why rely from the enemy.
자세한 설명 감사합니다 👍
Given the urgency of the situation, and the fact the MC-21 used a lot of foreign components from the outside (it was always going to be offered with the PD-14 domestic engine option, but a lot of other foreign components were never intended to be offered with domestic analogues) I'm surprised UAC didn't put the MC-21 on the back burner and instead revive the TU-204SM project, but with the PD-14 as a "TU-204neo" type project. You'd think getting something out the door that's sanctions proof would be their number one priority right now. Russia is a large country with many remote spots that absolutely rely on air links. A "TU-204neo" and accelerating the IL-117-300 really should be top priority to cover most commuter and busier short/medium routes.
The IL-96-400M would cover domestic long-haul needs (the TU-204SM, even with the new engines couldn't provide non-stop service from Moscow to the Russian far-east / pacific coast) and most intensive traffic routes, but at present is being proposed with the existing PS-90 engine family, as the PD-14 is in a lower thrust class and doesn't meet the 170kn thrust requirement for the -400 series. There's meant to be a geared, high thrust version of the PD-14 under development (the PD-18R) but it's still on the drawing board. The PS-90 is a whole generation older than the PD-14. The latest version to enter service was the PS-90A2 which *did* bring a lot of improvement in performance and efficiency, but also incorporated some western components, so it's unlikely this could be used. There is supposed to be a PS-90A3 version which builds on this and incorporates some PD-14 elements but it's unknown if it retains the western components or not. If it does, the IL-96 will be stuck with the PS-90A and PS90A1 versions, which are the oldest and least optimised.
Most of "other foreign" components are not necessary from hostile countries. P&W - just have no much alternatives as just few countries are making turbofans.
@@maxinfly So you believe Russia can build aircraft without machinery, electronics and cockpit avionics? Good luck with that. It's going to be Tasty and Lada from now on.
@@martijnstam6186 I expect you think that planes like Su-35 have none of mentioned and nor you expect we could buy it in other countries than EU or US. Will see
@@maxinfly people like Mr Stam where probably laughing at Huawei and Chinese High speed railway, saying they would never challenge Nokia or Siemens, well I think he knows better now
@@martijnstam6186 They will be using the avionics from their tank turrets. They fly pretty reliably.
Russia is restoring production of the four-engine Il-96:
"The new experimental Il-96-400M, created as part of the Il-96 family aircraft modernization program, is being prepared for the first flight (07.06.23). The aircraft is equipped with modern Russian avionics equipment, including a new avionics complex and other systems and components.
The lengthened fuselage makes the aircraft more spacious and attractive to operators. Previously, only the Il-96-300 was produced in the passenger version.
So the problem with foreign components in the equipment on the MS-21 is also being solved, and these developments are used in the updated Il-96."
There's a huge market for Russian PD-14 engines. China already placed orders for their own new jets and Chinese orders are huge!
An actual person narrating, some relevant images in the video... seems like a dream!
Russia will find a way.
It's astonishing that some companies are still having business with the USA.
In the short term, the sanctions will slow down the commercialization of this plane. In the long run, it will accelerate the development of the aviation industry not only in Russia, but also in many other countries, not to mention the amount of money that will flow from the hands of western manufacturers into the pockets of others.
When you sell something and prevent the buyer from buying from you, you force him to buy from others or make it himself, only the seller is at a loss.
Smartly played.
Russia's airlines may be doomed. This plane cannot support everything they need. They will not be able to lease western planes for a long time after defaulting on existing leases...
Yea, it's gonna be dificult but look, Russia stepped forward and others will follow
Yeah, I'm wondering how Pratt and Whitney feels about this? Is this really good for America? In other circumstances might these engines have come from Ukranian factories? Everything is so darn complicated!
By the video the test aircraft that I presume is operating at a reduced weight seemed to accelerate very slowly.
Depends on the thrust setting.
Unfortunately for Russia, the engines are not all the imported parts. I have no doubt they can make a reliable airframe but that is only part of what makes a reliable aircraft.
Are you serious, they make and design parts for Boeing and Airbus.
@@kabzaify Sorry you are wrong. Why are the orcs catabolizing planes for parts. do a little research.
@@59jm24 hmm, could it be because while they do design and produce parts they are also being hit with one of the biggest embargoes since Cuba?
I can name only one kind of parts never produced in Russia before: inflight entertainment systems. ALL other components, including most sofisticated flight control, navigation, autopiloting, radars, all electrics, hydraulics, composites, paints, all kind of chemistry and non-metals - all of them are yet produced in Russia for quite long. You do not hear of this much because they're made for VIP jets, governmental planes, warbirds and so on. All the industries needed are yet here.
There are no Russian made passenger jets without western avionics past the soviet designs.
Beautiful aircraft.
Perfect timing given all the problems with the Boing 737 MAX.
Way to go!
It's not just the engines: a huge percentage of the airframe is composite materials. And to build those, it's not just the fiber and resin supplies, but all of the associated tooling, curing, trimming, and inspection equipment that is western-sourced. You can hang another engine on it, but the airframe material change would necessitate an airframe redesign, or complete development of a composites infrastructure which is quite longer than a two year project.
Тупой! Иркут уже собрал самолёт с чисто российским "чёрным крылом", из материалов, произведенных компанией РОСАТОМ... Самолёт уже год летает... Углеволокно и связующие производились ещё в СССР. Первая лодка "Age of Russia", из советского углепластика, для Кубка Америки были построена в 1990г за 3 месяца... и только недавно её разбили американцы в Сан-Диего, на острове Коронадо... а был архитектором проекта
happily sanctions for composites was in 2018, so, today it’s already solved.
@@A64632 Your comment shows that you are not at all in the field of fiber reinforced advanced composites for aerospace structures. It takes so much more to make a composite wing than just the raw materials. But keep living your fantasy, and we'll see how much of the world buys this airplane. And, building one or two is very different than putting a prototype into volume production, as Airbus and Boeing know already. I'm not saying russia cannot do it, but I am saying the last time russia went on their own was during the cold war and, despite what you have been taught, the russian aircraft produced then were abysmal, and 30 years behind western technology. Have a nice day!
This is so wrong
@@boikanyoonneng9170 Boeing has sold junky aircraft
The push needed by russian aerospece Industry came in 2022 so all investment are now directed toward national R&D instead of buying foreing products
Nice!
Let's see how this goes..
Straight into the ground….
all the videos talks about the MS-310 with PD-14 yet all the videos are about MS-21 300 with PW engines
IT'S A BLESSING IN DISGUISE MORE SANCTIONS MEANS MORE SELF SUFFICIENCY FOR RUSSIAN INDUSTRY AND TECHNOLOGY IT MAY TEMPORARILY DELAY SOME PROJECTS BUT ITS BETTER IN THE LONG RUN
lo possono fare senza troppi problemi...
Am I right when I say the "PD-14 powered MC-21" shown here bears the proud American eagle of P&W ?
They are removing the PW engines and installing PD units on all models going forward
The one shown here, yes. It's an airshow model, made to show off the design at the MAKS-2019 expo. There is no footage of MC-21 flying with PD-14s yet, I think. The only footage I saw of one was a yellow-colored testbed aircraft.
@@SeanMirrsen PD-14 equiped aircraft have been flying for a year now.
I was the first flight test engine mechanic in 2017.
It would have been smart for Boeing to build the Airframe under license.
@@SeanMirrsen It is the first Aircraft
Without an international certification those planes are pretty much banned from most air space on Earth.
So nothing really new from the past 6 months.
if an aircraft is airworthy it should be certified regardless of any political situation. Now if by international you mean US and European countries (which is not the case there is so many other countries on this planet) then yes, it's operations will be limited to certain destinations. at the same time I'm sure Russia will find something to bother the west with. The truth is there is no winner here. Everybody is losing
Russia's a biiiiig place. You know how English is the worldwide Language of Aviation? Never was in Russia.
@@ehsan83 the profitable routes are to/from the West. China will act to protect it's own manufacturers from competition. there maybe other countries but are there any profitable routes? and the planes can't be certified because they will be made of fake or illegally sourced components unreliable components.
@@patrickshaw8595 the question is how many rich paying customers exist, especially after sanctions and a war, to support an airline. and who wants to be flying in a less safe aircraft over the arctic?
USSR/Russia had great tradition of producing variety of aircrafts. Those who can built AN 225, can built anything.
But unfortunately, USSR was sabotaged by leaders like Gorbachev and Yeltsin which triggered ultimate disintegration.
It's good that Russia could find a patriotic leader in the name of Vladimir Putin.
It will take few more years when Russia will be able to modernize her old beasts like Tupolov, IL 76 and IL 96-400 MD etc.
We are eager to see large aircrafts flying with PD 35 engine and the development new cargo plane Slon / Elephant.
Expansion of BRICS attaches great importance in this regards.
Hope, in near future we will see extended BRICS that includes countries like Saudi Arabia, UAE, Turkey, Egypt, Iran, Nigeria, Indonesia, Thailand, Argentina, Mexico, Venezuela and many more emerging economies.
This extended BRICS will ease out supply chain and most importantly market creation.
These countries can then impose sanction on Airbus and Boeing to source alternative aircrafts from Russia and China.
There are pd8, pd14 and pd35 for new Il96 with 2 engines.
Awesome
Russia's problem is not a lack of technical capability (as clearly the space race shows), but the lack of a sizeable market "resource" to provide economies scale for manufacturing cost competitive engines. But China does have that "resource"
The issue now is brain drain. Absolutely nobody with highly-marketable skills is staying in Russia.
@@VisibilityFoggy Really don't know what to do with narcissist conversations no matter how beguiling, except file "this latest" in my sin bin for suspect Turkey crossing the road trolling Votes for Christmas.
@@kahhowong3417 my head hurts.
@@rutgerb Does happen with Narcissist Conversationalist. Get well soon, my friend
@@VisibilityFoggy Very shallow comment.
Russian engines? Not a good record. Perhaps Putin will try it out. Let's hope.
LOL. Is your hatred for Russians so extreme you think they can't build functional jet engines?
Putin will be firing managers and throwing engineers out of windows until he can announce that the special engine making operation is going to plan.
Please not hope we don’t have anything and after war we will eat grass like 🇰🇵. Thanks Putin. 😢
Well, maybe in the long run, the dependency on western jets will come down. Downsides to the sanctions not anticipated.
The best is to drop 100 megatonns on Washington.
MC21 production is 100% local
جميلة جدا سيكون الطلب عليها كثيرا
Russia will suffer timing and huge costs by re sourcing new aircraft assembly parts and using PD 14 power plants. I'm sure that these too will contain a few western procured parts. This plane can only be type approved in Russia so its not going to be cost effective .
Not true, I'm sure countries like Iran and China will approve it
It's a very effective if you can't get anything better for any cost. Plus a cost of a fuel isn't a problem in Russia like at all.
Other sanctioned Countries will be able to buy the plane without an issue so it has a decent market already established.
Mate the rest of the world will buy it. This is not 2001 any more. The world has changed.
All the world sunctioned by the west 😉 no problem to sell the plane.
about time to not rely on any unreliable partner.....
We want to believe that commercial engines are more powerful than those in Sukhoi S-35. Doesn't make sense
Well, it is.
Wonder if they will be considered airworthy as hybrid Airbus and Russian engine?
Airbus can buy PD-14 as alternative engines supply.
maybe for domestic use.
Russia's own 737 Max
Bet it won't enter service for a decade, if at all. Post Soviet aviation design is famous for extreme delays and projects being cancelled. The Russian aviation design knowhow is still there and they are able to design good airplanes. But the corrupt inefficient Russian Federation can't build them. The MC-21 was looking good albeit delayed. Doubt anything will come of it now.
Well, a couple days ago a news report said Russia is willing to pump 14.5 billion Dollars into this to get it certified with russian engines. Which is absolutly ridiculous, Airbus and Boeing could design and build an entire new airframe for that amount of money. The development of the Concorde was cheaper than this.
@@shi01 A lot of that money probably won't even make it to where it's supposed to end up because of corruption
@@B52Stratofortress1 Yes, that's true.
The "corrupt" and "inefficient" russian state is another myth pushed by big media on an incredible budjet. Look for example how well Putin's government has coped with Covid. Only one lockdown for just 2 months, giant clinics built from zero in matter of weeks (!!), a fast and evident economy rebounce.
Post-soviet aviation makers of our country were constantly suppressed by foreign competitors and their powerful lobby saying for years "why you need making airplanes? just sell the oil and buy fancy boeings!" Here is the real reason why Tu-204 and Il-96 have suffered so many problems: administrative treason in favor of foreign companies, actually. Now the new era is here. Im 100% sure MC-21 will start mass production in 2024 as announced.
@@shi01 Wow, really? But no, I specifically checked - the cost of the entire MS-21 project is $4.5 billion. This includes the cost of airframe development, engines and the construction of factories for their production. For example, the A350 airframe project alone costs $11 billion. There is nothing more to compare with, since nothing new has been created in the West for more than 30 years. So do not lie, this data is easily verified.
Is this airplane ever going to enter service?
Maybe Maybe no
Will this airframe fly with vintage steam engines installed?
I doubt that Russia will need them. But it's time for you to get used to them. Since you are the one who does not have fuel, not the Russians! Lol :)
@@hepbhblehot8237 Nice to meet a Russian troll!
Russia will adapt, don't worry. Putin will end like Hitler did.
@@hepbhblehot8237 : They don't have coal either.
@@hepbhblehot8237 All the fuel in the world is useless without planes or cars.
And to set you straight, the United States produces approximately 50% *more* oil and gas than russia does, so you might want to rethink your schadenfreude there comrade.
There is more to those planes than just engines. There is also avionics, and I can't wait for russian transistor-based avionics to replace Honeywell or whoever is making it.
Russia produces chip-based avionics for military aircrafts like Su-30, Su-35. MS-21 also gets contemporary avionics.
@@alexanderbelov6892 As if the war in Ukraine did not make it obvious how "contemporary" russian avionics are..
The infamous "Orlan" with a camera from Canon and some Chinese-made electronics.
@@volodymyrdrobot9454
MS-21 will use cameras from Canon and Chinese-made electronics and wheels from Lada-2107.
@@alexanderbelov6892 I suspect that is pretty much what it will be using.
Because russia is not capable of producing. It is capable only of destroying.
I believe the MS-21 was designed with option for Russian or western avionics from the get-go, so that shouldn't be a problem. It's more things that weren't designed to be buyer-optionable that are the problem. I believe much of the undercarriage was western specced with no option intended to select an alternative, and I believe (but don't quote me on this) that it's the same story with the APU. There's various other parts too - all in all replacing these non-optionable parts is going to be a major headache and I personally don't think this is the best way forward for Russia at this point. They'd be better off reviving the TU-204SM, using the PD-14 as a new engine option. The TU-204 was pretty much entirely domestic components from the start.
Good luck..
They dont have the avionics and computer systems,, fly by compass maybe
China is not boycottnig Russia. While China don´t have very much silicon production, they have a lot of silicon logistics. They could easily sell it to Russia with out it being obvius
They do, and Russian avionics suite has always been an optionable component for the buyer on this model. That won't be the hard part. The hard part will be the myriad of small components from all over the place baked into the design.
::sounds of multiple alarm bells going off::
BULLYAT! ::sounds of swearing in Russian::
BLEEP BLEEP BLEEP BLEEP BULYAT! BLEEP BLLEPP"
-crunch-
Let’s move the clock forward and say all this trouble in Ukraine is over 🤞 question would Russia ever buy aircraft from Boeing or Airbus in the future ? I think Not 🤷🏼♂️
Nope, they will get back in the position of being behind the rest of the world...
They won't be able to afford to buy boeing or Airbus. All the leasing companies that buy from them would insist on being reimbursed for the planes russia didn't return, before the American or European courts would approve the sales. Oh well
The majority of these aircraft were from leasing companies.
And of course the opposite it true! Will will ever buy anything from Russia for decade's and will these aircraft ever be certified by the west!
@@JRattheranch Your right … what a mess … thousands of years and we’re still fighting 🙈
Also, the Sukhoi RRJ Superjet has French engine cores. There will be no more spares or support for those, and the Superjet will be confined to Russian domestic flights.
The PD8 is the replacement. The Russian are not new to building civilian aircraft.
@@kabzaify I'm sure domestic flights will continue, gradually stripping some of the stolen planes until they are all used up, and that Russian-built aircraft will (slowly) start to appear. The problem is, even when this Ukraine invasion ends, as it will, no company in the west will do business with Russian airlines until all the stolen leased aircraft. which are outside servicing times and therefore only fit for scrap, are actually paid for.
When it comes to aviation, Russia has shot itself in the foot. Sanctions may end eventually, but the airline business there is doomed.
Better to have them crash there.
@@ihmcallister The Russian aviation is mainly internal, with only about 7 percent external travel. And those countries like, Turkey, Egypt will remain open to Russia.
@@charlesharper2357 oh u mean like the Boeing max?? Maybe the us should keep that garbage in the US as well..
The sanctions applied against Russia taught them not to rely heavily on Western and foreign technology and parts, instead they made what they needed, they up graded their manufacturing industry, research and development, science technology etc, to compare and even better so Western products, make your own stuff then sanctions against you are pointless
It’s not that complicated or difficult for Russia to manufacture or fabricate anything…
The 1980's called - weekly aeroflot crashies woop woop
So now - good airplane with bad engines ??? 🤷♂️
Should work ok - for a while
Good looking aircraft this.
Спасибо за санкции. Они усиливают нашу страну!
Those sanctions are absolutely nuts
...yes nuts in the fact that there are still too many loopholes Russia is taking advantage of.....Slava Ukraini
@@goobfilmcast4239 No, in fact, the Russian people want the war as little as you, and still, the ones who suffer the most from the sanctions are them!.
game in two directions.
some gossips about boeing and co bribed ru politicians in 90s, to kill ru jet engine\civil avia industry's development for 1 decade (rival)
@@TheMrGREENRay Thats crazy if its real! I will look that up sounds interesting.
This plane will have market in Russia and in some banana republics just like the old Soviet planes.
Banana republics - and kingdoms - like EU/NATO you mean ?
No brainiac… when the USSR exported aircraft such as these to third world countries they sent then out at an extremely discounted price which russians cant afford to do. Also they will never be certified for international airspace and this will never be exonomical to operate
Bananas don't grow in Russia. :-)
@@cdl0 Yes, they do and taste good ! In Crimea.
Banana republics also have money. No difference who pays for Russian made aircrafts.
After copying the tech, every time.
Still won't be certified to fly anywhere but in Russia
… and China, which is a huge market!
@@jurekprzychodzen6454 China is not accepting uncertified Russian planes into its airspace
@@jeffhosking802 That’s why Russians are working on certification of their planes. Aren’t they?
@@jurekprzychodzen6454 From what I've read, up to 30% of the plane will still be made from western supplied parts. Without these and the tracking system, the planes will never get the certification.
@@jeffhosking802 Are you saying that airplanes built with Western parts can’t get certified? Then, how do Boeing and Airbus airliners get certified?
Great
i see.
Sad but inevitable. Following in the Sukhoi Superjet's tracks? And now to re-design the aircraft for the new engine after all the development costs associated with the 1400G.
PD-14 is equivalent to PW1400G in everything except mounting and some electronics sw update. MS-21 with PD-14 already did 100+ test flights. So engine integration test flights program will finish soon.
It was designed to take either engine from the get go, this is just one individual testbed aircraft being swapped over to the other engines. The real problem is the myriad of small components all over the plane that are western sourced and were never designed to take an alternative part. They'll be everywhere in the design. The big systems like engines and avionics were always designed to be user-optionable to either western or russian, but not so with small things like an actuator here or hydraulic component there.
I've once flown in a Russian-made Yakovlev Yak-42 during a domestic flight in Cuba. That was the first AND last time I got in a Russian-made plane.
I once flew in Franco Anglo made Concorde between London and Bahrain. That was the first AND last time I flew in a Concorde.
Thank god you arrive safely. How about those perish in 737 max new plane lol. Dont think only you western have the ability to do things.. stop your ignorant and arrogance foolish people
@@kahhowong3417 😂😂😂😂 Wong, you da man 😂
@@dekik.979 Thank you my friend. Keep well.
What's the point of that exciting experience of yours?
I walked to the local supermarket from my home, which is approx a kilometer away and that was the first and last time of doing that.
Not exactly earth shattering news!! Lol
The test pilots are not wearing russian made headsets...treason! :p
Hope we don’t see disaster’s like we did with the TU-144
How about disasters with boeing max?
@@ispeaku759 that wasn’t a copy
@@ispeaku759 exactly, boeing is losing customers fast to airbus due to poor quality.
НАДЕЮСЬ МЫ НЕ УВИДЕМ КАТАСТРОФ, КАК С Б-747, Б-777, Б-767, Б-737... ЕСТЬ ЛУЧШЕ ПРИМЕР: ИЛ-96 - НИ ОДНОЙ КАТАСТРОФЫ!!!
This is good for the Russian economy
🐻🐻🐻🐻🐻🐻 They ´ll win
I’d prefer to travel on the Russian jet to a Boeing 737 Max!
Haha…
That means you've never been on a Russian aircraft, or a Max ? HAHA
I love your comment. Sad but true
there were some deadly accidents with maxes, also they are banned in russia, by russia and by usa.
@@TheMrGREENRay Who cares about Russia.
They flew aircraft across their sky's, banned all over the world.
aeroflot has a terrible history.
And only 2 Boeing Max's crashed.
Prepares to hit the skies ? Hopefully the plane won't hit the ground
hopefully it will
2:15 .." minus any export market"...I doubt if that will remain so for very long. If everything goes as planned, i am sure many customers will be lining up to retro-fit these engines into their aircrafts. China, will likely be Irkut's first customer, followed by friendly nations such as Belarus, Iran, Veneula, Cuba, Serbia..e.t.c. Never say never..
Its unlikely europe would certify them to fly in their airspace, same for most of the americas. Unless they sell these things below dirt cheap I doubt anyone will buy.
China steals newer tech. Not the old Russian stolen tech.
China will demand Chinese made engines on it's aircraft. And seriously how many planes ( that can't fly to many other countries ) can those other countries actually afford to buy?
Why would the Chinese buys Russian products when they got their own Domestic Made aircraft?
@@nntflow7058 Same reason they buy European, when they have their own.
So these turbines can drive the compressors on the Nord Stream pipeline?
Why should they? Didn't Europeans hate Russian cheap gas and want to swap it for something a way more costly?
there are already heavy-power (fully russian) turbines on ns2
but they are not !sertified for ns1
So, the game with sanctioned garbage turbines for ns1 will continue.
Not the PD-14, but the PS-90A (a late Soviet era high-pass turbofan, used in the IL-96, TU-204 and new versions of the IL-76) actually does have a static plant version of the engine for power and pumping applications.
@@lmlmd2714 "ГПА-32 Ладога"
@@RustedCroaker Sometimes principles are more important than a few dollars.
The US and Europe can afford to choose who they buy their oil from. Can russia continue to sell oil to China at 30% discounts as the price per barrel drops and their cost to deliver skyrockets?
Who will develop new oil rigs and do all the drilling? Russia is not capable of doing this domestically, and when they nationalize foreign investments left and right, putin is ensuring no western companies will be back.
Thanks, nothing new, they can figure out what to do.
Let's see how the certification goes
Certified for what? Will never be certified dor any airspace outside russia
Russian certificates are stricter then those of FAA, hope Irkut make it.
Russia's big problem is keeping foreign buyers interested in its current crop of Military Aviation and Weapons Systems in general. If Country X has a neighbor using U.S. and Western-supplied weapons systems, just how are you going to sell the junk you yourselves have little success in using. They are going to have to let them go dirt cheap....
After their disastrous record in the Ukraine who want Russian weapons?
@@charlesharper2357 You really should not buy into the western media and pentagon propaganda. The record in Ukraine may not be as good as Russia may have expected, but it sure is better than what western weaponry has shown. As we can witness, they keep calling each new toy they send to Ukraine a wonder weapon that will turn the tide. And yet, there is no tide turning. And most of those weapons have either been destroyed, captured, or sold on the dark web by the Ukrainians.
Sometimes 'junk product' is just someone promotion program. You know nothing about MS-21 and PD-14.
@@charlesharper2357 Disastrous record in Ukraine does not allow Ukraine to say they gain their territories back. Because disastrous record is just Ukraine claims. Ukraine loses 300+ troops and several villages every day (a town once in several month), and this operation may continue several years. Th difference of Russia special operation to USA special operation is that civil losses in Ukraine are about 1:30, 1:50, while civil losses where USA conducts special operation are 5:1, 10:1. So USA mostly kills civil people.
@@alexanderbelov6892
We can't allow warmongering fascists to steal a democratic nation's territory and murder it's people.
In time Russians will realize this was a crime by Putin against humanity...just like the Germans acknowledge Hitler's was.
Russia have NO choice but to go it on it's own. No ??
Good luck with that
They could use Chinese engines probably, but even comac is using the LEAP engines
@@etiennec8139 Chinese Are Also Testing Thier Own Engines.
@@etiennec8139 Their engines are years behind schedule and yet to fly on any aircraft. The Chinese too are dependent on western engines.
@@johniii8147 Are you sure you know what you're talking about?
PD-14 is a very modern engine and they are already flying on MC-21 310 for years.
The sanction is producing a much stronger Russia and China. This is important for longterm competitiveness strength for these countries. The ultimate winners are the people of the world.
True, but not the people from Russia.
"The sanction is producing a much stronger Russia and China. "
lol, russia is being obliterated economically. Having a couple vanity projects is not becoming "stronger".
Good luck flying anywhere outside of Russia
You assume Western Europe and Northern America represent the rest of the world. You're wrong.
There is indopacific, china, south and central america, africa, middle east. North america, europe, australia and japan are not the whole world
More better guys
One wonders to where the Russians intend to fly these uninsured aircraft...
У на страна огромная, плюс много стран где можно летать
It's to maintain domestic connectivity, and links to friendly states - but domestic is def the priority. Russia is huge and on top of that a lot of regions seriously remote and can't be reached any other way than air. This is why I'm suprised they're playing around with the MS-21 rather than getting the TU-204SM back into production, as it's an all-indigineous design. Not as modern, but Russia isn't in a position to pick and choose - they really need something right now.
@@user-ks3eo6fx2g Not without certification. So just like Russian tanks it's like a flying coffin.
They are not uninsured, the russian government is issuing insurance on their fleets... and the world knows how reliable Moscow is at paying what they owe... just ask the families of soldiers killed in Ukraine!
@@edwardgiovannelli5191 When you are lucky enough to survive you receive a bag of potatoes!
This a Russian A220?
Nope. It's an analogue to the A320 / 737MAX. The Sukhoi Superjet is more like the A220. The currently out-of-production Tu-204 is closer to the 757 or A321. The currently out of production IL-96 is like the A340-500 / 600. There's also the IL-114 which is a turboprop but is a low wing design more like the BAe ATP than the current ATR or Q400 designs. It has an interesting engine design that's quite clever but never seems to have caught on in the wider Russian aviation industry as it came out right as the Soviet union was breaking up.
No avionics, no plane. RIP MC-21.
Avionics are not a miracle. Russia produces avionics for TU-204/214, IL-96-300/400, IL-76MD-90A, IL-114-300, so on.
Western avionics was used for faster EU certification only. Now it is replaced with local avionics, so it can be used in Russia and other countries that accept Russian local certification.
The design has had optionable avionics (either western or Russian) from day 1, so they will be fine. it's the smaller components scattered throughout the plane (any number of small actuators are the like) that are the problem. It was never planned as a wholly indigenous aircraft, and these components are non-optionable. There'll need a be a LOT of design reworking to get them out.
Мрий
Russia always had the option of developing a 100% Russian aircraft, foreign parts were not just time savers but part of a deliberate strategy to involve the west on the understanding that trade makes peace. After all the backtracking they will have a sanctions proof aircraft to market to 3/4 nations of the world that did not support the embargo's.
Yeah, one which is not be able to fly in most of the developed world's airspace because it's not certified, have fun with those routes.
@@-Bill. Western airlines from countries that supported sanctions on Russia fly around Russia from EU to Asia and back. Have fun with these routes.
@@alexanderbelov6892 Even China has banned Russian planes.
Good luck with that.
At best Russia reversed engineered these engines
They still run on coal, like the old days.
Tall Tale.
Nah completely different in design
There's nothing to reverse engineer in PW1400G. For Russia at least. It's a regular geared turbofan.
@@RustedCroaker you can’t reverse an engine that has been worn in. The ones the Russian reversed before was brand new. Any engine the Russian could use would be used and even used once is enough to make it impossible to reverse tolerances, hardening processes and manufacturing processes. They would know the material and the operating sizes but could never build an identical engine.
This airplane will most likely experience explosive disassembly...with all those "new, alternatively procured" parts, i imagine.
Look, I'm not defending Russian engineering or lack of thereof but both russian and western plane manufacturers (looking at you Boeing) have pretty similar rates of premature, aerial disassembly.
Seems you mistook it for a Boeing 737 MAX
Duh, pretty obvious, ain't it?
Comrade, come fly on our new plane. Weekly flights to North Korea and Siberia. Free Vodka and Potato Soup included.
Yakolev plant
Can we say, reverse engineering?
yes, engine is Chinese.
@@chichomancho1791 China built Xi'an Y-20 cargo aircraft as a copy of USSR IL-76. It also uses soviet Solovyev D-30KP2 engines. While Shenyang WS-20 engine for it is still in development.
Russia already uses new mod of PS-90A engine for IL-76 since 2014.
The PD-14 engine is heavier and offers less performance than P&W. View Asianometry's video for info.
It's what's available. Also it's good enough for the job.
Smart move Putin, you've really helped your own country with your brilliant "special military operation".
SMO was inevitable. If Russia didn't initiate it on 24th of Feb, they'd be initiating it in response to Ukrainian assault on breakaway republics, which Russians promised to militarily defend. That's something NATO and EU did NOT promise Ukraine, instead using the vague "support".
Is it "brilliant"? Nope, no war is.
As for does it help Russia? Quitting drugs Cold Turkey is a painful experience. Same here: Russian companies being lazy will be FORCED to actually DO stuff they haven't done for a long time. And they'll succeed, being a country more than intelligent enough to make it all happen.
Well, when your country is cornered by imperialist powers, you got to do something...
Well I was hoping to see Russian aviation as a respected player in the global market. But as things are this accelerated substitution program serves Russia well.
Yes it will lead to more crashes and as a result less russians
@@CH-pv2rz maybe russia can open dentists in the uk
@@CH-pv2rz Crashes are a native playfield of Boeing, nobody can beat their 737 MAX at that.
@@RustedCroaker relatively speaking that MAX was safe